More people in the UK need to recognise that one day, probably due to climate change, it could be US who are the refugees. I'm not religious at all, but that saying "There, but for the grace of god, go I" is something we need to absorb.
There's an excellent audio podcast called Origin Story, which not so long ago looked at the "War on Drugs". Come to find out, the UK actually had quite a sane, compassionate policy up till (IIRC) the 60s-ish, but the USA was furious and pressurised the UK to change it and wrecked the whole thing.
I just wish there was a way to convince people to vote for the greens. I know so many people who would love to vote green but are going to tactically vote labour because another tory government will leave our country in absolute disrepair.
Once again, Nish and Coco have the best conversations with their guests, always important topics and well worded questions (especially the fast and furious film analogy 😂 Coco’s passion for those films makes my day!) And thank you Nish for asking about how trans people are currently being treated in the UK. All over the world, it becomes more and more dangerous to live in a way that is true to one’s self which is simply heartbreaking.
carla was incredibly refeshing the fist polatiomn on this show to admit they can do better on inaqualiy in the party and the vibe feels like one of companion for evryone from refuges to trans and non binary people i will be more likely to vote for them as they have pollices i like
As a Green Party member, I hope Carla's pledge to stand a Green candidate in every seat is honoured, I've been a member for 10 years and so far have never been able to vote for them in any election except for the ones for the EU....
On the current green protest movement, please consider: The disproportionate impact of day to day chaos and disorder on the poor compared to the relatively insulated wealthy class. & The tendency of this disproportionate impact to push poor people towards the right wing conception of retributive justice (law and order) Extinction rebellion block roadways and delay flights, ordinary people suffer and come to think of the left/greens as a group which not only directly inconveniences them, but it also holds them personally responsible for global issues which cannot be resolved by individual actions. This pushes ordinary people away from the movement, in a misguided attempt to make the population, independently and en masse, change their ways to a more sustainable lifestyle. All the while it isn't clear that it would be enough to significantly improve the climate predicament, even if everyone in the west changed their habits and lifestyle overnight. Imagine if, instead of penalizing the powerless members of the public, the left took a law and order spin on the issue, they could present themselves as the side which could not only protect the people from the ecological disaster through legislation and enforcement of systemic change, but could bring justice to the individuals truly most responsible for the problem. Protest at the homes of BP executives, under the framing of seeking justice and order. Occupy company and political offices associated with the most environmental damage. Don't block the public roadways as people drive to work. Make the concept of law and order work FOR the cause rather than against it.
I'm afraid that we don't have a politician as reasonable as this in the states. Well, we do, but he's an 80 something year old senator, and we just need more like them!
Whenever left wing people talk about proportional representation (in relation to small parties like the greens and the fragmentation of the left wing vote) I find myself concerned that it would provide an opportunity for hard right parties to gain a foothold in parliament. I still think that it would be good for society, but I think that some of my fellow lefties see it as being an entirely positive change to occur, and naively ignore the issues it would cause, as occurred when it was introduced into the Weimar government's Reichstag. Good to hear from the greens though!
You know we currently have the far right in power right now, don't you? Generally speaking, the right hate proportional representation because it's more democratic than first past the post, and the right know their ideas are deeply unpopular with actual people.
What you're missing is that the far-right instead burrows itself into the Tory Party and eats it up from the inside. Here in Austria, where we have proportional representation, our equivalent to the Tories (ÖVP) periodically swallows the votes from the hard-right party (FPÖ) depending on the massive scandals within the FPÖ. The difference is that the ÖVP doesn't swing as far right as the Tories do (although they are perfectly willing to do it, depending on the coalition they pursue). So in short: the percentage of fashos will either have their own party (PR) and be outed and toxic or they will insert themselves into the "centre"-right party (FPtP) and turn said party into a far-right party anyways.
In my opinion hard right parties already have a foothold and the continual drift to the right (as seen in the current labour party) could result in the hard right accruing more power.
Have a look at how things have played out in NZ. Sure, our right wing parties occasionally win elections, but the 'main' conservative party isn't hard right. Those parties tend to be more fringy and receive a far smaller proportion of the overall vote.
I still don't understand what brings people to join smaller political parties that have very limited influence, rather than trying to push the larger parties in a better direction from within. Parties are nothing more than the people they're made up of, and I would like to see the the bigger parties, that have an actual chance of being in power, made up of more progressive people.
Many of them start out in bigger parties, then split off to form ones more ideologically aligned with their political beliefs. The big problem the UK has is you have two 'legacy' parties which take up most of the attention. We used to be the same way in NZ, but we shifted to proportional representation and things really opened up. Sure, our two 'legacy' parties are still big, but they often can't govern without the support of the smaller parties.
I think smaller parties can have a big impact even if they don't get into power. The UKIPs never formed a government, but they pushed the issue of Brexit into the public consciousness, and arguably caused Brexit to happen by showing politicians that this was an issue people cared about.
@@lauriestewart2044 I think if Boris Johnson and his lot had all went and joined UKIP, instead of pushing the Conservative party further right from within, brexit wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as much popular support as it had. They took a crazy, incredibly stupid idea and made it mainstream by making it seem like it wasn't just some crazy fringe idea, but had major party support as well.
I've been volunteering as an ESOL teaching assistant (in London) for a group of teenage boys who came into the country as unaccompanied minors - on boats or lorries, as far as I understand. We read them children's stories.
I think you can make a strong analogy between access to abortion and access to safe migration. When you criminalise abortion - you don't stop abortions, you just stop safe abortions. When you criminalise migration you force ever increasing numbers of people into "small boats" and the backs of lorries.
Anytime I see an interview with someone from the Green Party it makes me want to vote for them more. The only thing stopping me is, at the moment, I'm in a Labour 'safe seat' so it's whether I vote tactically or vote for who I most agree with
I'm in a Labour extremely safe seat. I usually go for LibDems or Green depending on current policies. The Tories are fourth here so I can happily vote with my conscience.
Honestly, my read of Sunak's blustering was that he was trying too hard to get the popular kid (Biden) to like him 😂. 'It is great to see you after so long." "We meet at least once a month [rattles off cities]."
"Age appropriate" lol, like he saw Mickey Mouse and thought himself as a cultural critic and thought "Oh yeah, they're too old for Mickey, get rid of it".
Nish has some very valid and interesting points on the Fast and the Furious being a smogwashing franchise. I feel like once the franchise lost Paul *Walker*(RIP), they also brought The Rock in on the series in a big way….Rock being where oil and gas are traditionally found. THE LAYERS OF THIS GO ALL THE WAY DOWN
I’d love it if Labour/Labor (for some reason the ALP in Australia doesn’t have the u) and the Greens would stop fighting each other and cooperate properly. There’s blame for that on both sides, but I do think the bulk of it belongs with Murdoch and other RW media doing their utmost to pit the parties against each other. In Australia at least. I don’t know if the UK Labour has drifted as far to the right as our party has, but here the Greens pretty much occupy the philosophical position the ALP used to. Which is definitely reflected in results of our last election. I’m so sorry the UK has followed our inhumane and disgusting treatment of deeply vulnerable people. John Howard started the demonisation of refugees here in an effort to frighten people into voting for him yet again. Unfortunately the lies he planted (like the idea that there’s some illegal way to seek refuge) are now deep rooted. If the UK does go with an insulation scheme (which is a great idea in theory) please, please learn from our mistakes. You need to police the industry closely. We had a lot of opportunists set up shop and send untrained youngsters into roof cavities. Several died. And we have really robust workplace safety laws.
I love “the lies he planted (like there’s an illegal way to seek refuge)”. If crossing a channel in a boat is the worst thing you do in a life or death situation I don’t think you deserve to be called a criminal.
I just realised I'd been meaning to watch Damian singing, but hadn't. It's certainly something, which is odd because he does seem to have some actual musical ability.
Good interview with Ms Denyer❤. Good to see commendation for a Tory. Good people exist in all parties. Caroline Lucas wrote a book about her first year in parliament, and made honourable mentions of people from across the political spectrum she'd been able to work with. Amongst them was a low-profile Labour MP called Jeremy Corbyn😅
When I heard the eye roll email, I just felt miserable she isn't dumped on a Pacific island, that is slowly being flooded, without any citizenship of any safe country to go to. Such a degree of self obsession, callous indifference... I often wonder how amazing the planet would be, if the ultra right, even hardISH right, just stopped breeding, so those genes did not go forward, and they had no influence on children born I just wonder what the planet would be like, where the default position was educated care to do the right thing. Not when desperate, but when the information is made public. So many species NOT extinct in that world. So much more clean energy... So much spontaneous kindness in general life.
ah yes, the cartoons that NO TEENAGERS should be watching because they'll turn into babies: mickey mouse and tom & jerry... it's not like mickey mouse has had a billion incarnations since his debut in 1928 (including a videogame franchise that crosses over with Final Fantasy: a set of games whose latest incarnation has an M rating). and tom & jerry, a cartoon in which a cat and mouse try to throttle each other, is DEFINITELY ONLY FOR BABIES (sarcasm).
I really want to vote green, but their stance on Nuclear Energy and High Speed Rail puts me off. How can we have a greener future without those two things? Nuclear energy is safe, and high speed rail will help get people out of ICE cars. It's so frustrating. Ditto with equality issues, especially with LGTBQ+ people.
This is just a good old-fashioned British sex scandal. Man pays someone young enough to be their adult grandchild more money than most people take home in a year for some rude pics. He'll probably be on I'm a celebrity next year.
Carla absolutely has my vote in the next election.
I am from USA, but I found myself listening to this with pleasure. Thank you!!
More people in the UK need to recognise that one day, probably due to climate change, it could be US who are the refugees. I'm not religious at all, but that saying "There, but for the grace of god, go I" is something we need to absorb.
The Huw Edwards feeding frenzy has been truly awful.
Sex scandals sell newspapers... not sure what excuse the BBC itself has for making such a meal of it though.
You two are just fabulous! Thank you, DA (Vancouver, WA)
There's an excellent audio podcast called Origin Story, which not so long ago looked at the "War on Drugs". Come to find out, the UK actually had quite a sane, compassionate policy up till (IIRC) the 60s-ish, but the USA was furious and pressurised the UK to change it and wrecked the whole thing.
I just wish there was a way to convince people to vote for the greens.
I know so many people who would love to vote green but are going to tactically vote labour because another tory government will leave our country in absolute disrepair.
Once again, Nish and Coco have the best conversations with their guests, always important topics and well worded questions (especially the fast and furious film analogy 😂 Coco’s passion for those films makes my day!)
And thank you Nish for asking about how trans people are currently being treated in the UK. All over the world, it becomes more and more dangerous to live in a way that is true to one’s self which is simply heartbreaking.
carla was incredibly refeshing the fist polatiomn on this show to admit they can do better on inaqualiy in the party and the vibe feels like one of companion for evryone from refuges to trans and non binary people i will be more likely to vote for them as they have pollices i like
DEATH-ADJACENT 😂
As a Green Party member, I hope Carla's pledge to stand a Green candidate in every seat is honoured, I've been a member for 10 years and so far have never been able to vote for them in any election except for the ones for the EU....
Get in contact with your local party and offer to stand! Most Green candidates start as people who want to see a candidate!
Greens always get my Scottish parliament 2nd vote. SNP first
A shame that you are promoting betterhelp
what don't you think they are very good ?
@@upendasana7857there has been some criticism of them.
Already voted 🗳. Another great episode. Proud to say haven't watched any of the fast and the furious movies.
Fast and the Furious 11 - Brought to you by your very good friends at BP.
Nothing, after all the talk, there's still war's, and it's getting hotter!!
09:00 I think Joe feels Rishi and he have been seeing too much of each other.
That mug overflows with geopolitically obligated photo-op vibes.
On the current green protest movement, please consider:
The disproportionate impact of day to day chaos and disorder on the poor compared to the relatively insulated wealthy class.
&
The tendency of this disproportionate impact to push poor people towards the right wing conception of retributive justice (law and order)
Extinction rebellion block roadways and delay flights, ordinary people suffer and come to think of the left/greens as a group which not only directly inconveniences them, but it also holds them personally responsible for global issues which cannot be resolved by individual actions.
This pushes ordinary people away from the movement, in a misguided attempt to make the population, independently and en masse, change their ways to a more sustainable lifestyle.
All the while it isn't clear that it would be enough to significantly improve the climate predicament, even if everyone in the west changed their habits and lifestyle overnight.
Imagine if, instead of penalizing the powerless members of the public, the left took a law and order spin on the issue, they could present themselves as the side which could not only protect the people from the ecological disaster through legislation and enforcement of systemic change, but could bring justice to the individuals truly most responsible for the problem.
Protest at the homes of BP executives, under the framing of seeking justice and order.
Occupy company and political offices associated with the most environmental damage.
Don't block the public roadways as people drive to work.
Make the concept of law and order work FOR the cause rather than against it.
Start from Fast and Furious 5
Nitrous oxide is one of the 4 Kyoto agreement greenhouse gasses, and the green party want to legalise it??
Love podcast, hate nounces!
Ooh, I want a Coco Left Wing Barbie shirt (or sticker book and poster)!
I'm afraid that we don't have a politician as reasonable as this in the states. Well, we do, but he's an 80 something year old senator, and we just need more like them!
Whenever left wing people talk about proportional representation (in relation to small parties like the greens and the fragmentation of the left wing vote) I find myself concerned that it would provide an opportunity for hard right parties to gain a foothold in parliament. I still think that it would be good for society, but I think that some of my fellow lefties see it as being an entirely positive change to occur, and naively ignore the issues it would cause, as occurred when it was introduced into the Weimar government's Reichstag. Good to hear from the greens though!
You know we currently have the far right in power right now, don't you?
Generally speaking, the right hate proportional representation because it's more democratic than first past the post, and the right know their ideas are deeply unpopular with actual people.
What you're missing is that the far-right instead burrows itself into the Tory Party and eats it up from the inside. Here in Austria, where we have proportional representation, our equivalent to the Tories (ÖVP) periodically swallows the votes from the hard-right party (FPÖ) depending on the massive scandals within the FPÖ. The difference is that the ÖVP doesn't swing as far right as the Tories do (although they are perfectly willing to do it, depending on the coalition they pursue).
So in short: the percentage of fashos will either have their own party (PR) and be outed and toxic or they will insert themselves into the "centre"-right party (FPtP) and turn said party into a far-right party anyways.
In my opinion hard right parties already have a foothold and the continual drift to the right (as seen in the current labour party) could result in the hard right accruing more power.
Have a look at how things have played out in NZ. Sure, our right wing parties occasionally win elections, but the 'main' conservative party isn't hard right. Those parties tend to be more fringy and receive a far smaller proportion of the overall vote.
They can have representatives, sure, but to be honest if you have 50% of your population that are fascists everything was lost to begin with.
I still don't understand what brings people to join smaller political parties that have very limited influence, rather than trying to push the larger parties in a better direction from within. Parties are nothing more than the people they're made up of, and I would like to see the the bigger parties, that have an actual chance of being in power, made up of more progressive people.
Many of them start out in bigger parties, then split off to form ones more ideologically aligned with their political beliefs. The big problem the UK has is you have two 'legacy' parties which take up most of the attention. We used to be the same way in NZ, but we shifted to proportional representation and things really opened up. Sure, our two 'legacy' parties are still big, but they often can't govern without the support of the smaller parties.
I think smaller parties can have a big impact even if they don't get into power. The UKIPs never formed a government, but they pushed the issue of Brexit into the public consciousness, and arguably caused Brexit to happen by showing politicians that this was an issue people cared about.
@@lauriestewart2044 I think if Boris Johnson and his lot had all went and joined UKIP, instead of pushing the Conservative party further right from within, brexit wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as much popular support as it had. They took a crazy, incredibly stupid idea and made it mainstream by making it seem like it wasn't just some crazy fringe idea, but had major party support as well.
@@lauriestewart2044 I think putin lent them a hand with that
Because big parties have no reason to listen to minorities - we are just angry unimportant people to them.
Let it be known that any time I have typed out the acronym BBC it was about inquiry and not a personal flex. 😎
If they married as Quakers the marriage vows do not say husband and wife, they say friends. Vows start I take this my Friend
Teenagers don't like cartoons? I am a middle aged woman and I still have shirts with Tweety and Tom & Jerry.. Cartoons are soothing at any age.
I wish they could include Mighty Mouse. Not as popular but just as fun.
@@usainengland I loved Mighty Mouse growing up!
I am a 64 vintage and love my scooby doo ts
I've been volunteering as an ESOL teaching assistant (in London) for a group of teenage boys who came into the country as unaccompanied minors - on boats or lorries, as far as I understand. We read them children's stories.
I think you can make a strong analogy between access to abortion and access to safe migration. When you criminalise abortion - you don't stop abortions, you just stop safe abortions. When you criminalise migration you force ever increasing numbers of people into "small boats" and the backs of lorries.
They're trying to criminalise asylum seekers, not migration.
You legally can't do that, but they're going to try anyway.
Abortion is murder though.
To paraphrase JFK, Those who make legal immigration impossible make illegal immigration inevitable. 😩
There’s too much news happening! We need a mini midweek pod to cope 😀
Anytime I see an interview with someone from the Green Party it makes me want to vote for them more. The only thing stopping me is, at the moment, I'm in a Labour 'safe seat' so it's whether I vote tactically or vote for who I most agree with
If you're in a safe seat then vote for whi you want - party's get money based on number of votes so every vote counts, even if the result might not!
I'm in a Labour extremely safe seat. I usually go for LibDems or Green depending on current policies. The Tories are fourth here so I can happily vote with my conscience.
UBI is a central green policy that should be pushed as a number one policy. That will increase the working class vote.
Honestly, my read of Sunak's blustering was that he was trying too hard to get the popular kid (Biden) to like him 😂.
'It is great to see you after so long." "We meet at least once a month [rattles off cities]."
Electric cars are _so fast_. I'd absolutely watch all-electric Fast and the Furious.
Best podcast❤ love your work guys!!!! I am member of Coco fan club
New Downing St. Mug
"Age appropriate" lol, like he saw Mickey Mouse and thought himself as a cultural critic and thought "Oh yeah, they're too old for Mickey, get rid of it".
Nish has some very valid and interesting points on the Fast and the Furious being a smogwashing franchise. I feel like once the franchise lost Paul *Walker*(RIP), they also brought The Rock in on the series in a big way….Rock being where oil and gas are traditionally found. THE LAYERS OF THIS GO ALL THE WAY DOWN
(Great episode as always btw)
I’d love it if Labour/Labor (for some reason the ALP in Australia doesn’t have the u) and the Greens would stop fighting each other and cooperate properly. There’s blame for that on both sides, but I do think the bulk of it belongs with Murdoch and other RW media doing their utmost to pit the parties against each other. In Australia at least. I don’t know if the UK Labour has drifted as far to the right as our party has, but here the Greens pretty much occupy the philosophical position the ALP used to. Which is definitely reflected in results of our last election. I’m so sorry the UK has followed our inhumane and disgusting treatment of deeply vulnerable people. John Howard started the demonisation of refugees here in an effort to frighten people into voting for him yet again. Unfortunately the lies he planted (like the idea that there’s some illegal way to seek refuge) are now deep rooted.
If the UK does go with an insulation scheme (which is a great idea in theory) please, please learn from our mistakes. You need to police the industry closely. We had a lot of opportunists set up shop and send untrained youngsters into roof cavities. Several died. And we have really robust workplace safety laws.
I love “the lies he planted (like there’s an illegal way to seek refuge)”. If crossing a channel in a boat is the worst thing you do in a life or death situation I don’t think you deserve to be called a criminal.
I just realised I'd been meaning to watch Damian singing, but hadn't. It's certainly something, which is odd because he does seem to have some actual musical ability.
Butthammer for PM
Good interview with Ms Denyer❤. Good to see commendation for a Tory. Good people exist in all parties.
Caroline Lucas wrote a book about her first year in parliament, and made honourable mentions of people from across the political spectrum she'd been able to work with. Amongst them was a low-profile Labour MP called Jeremy Corbyn😅
When I heard the eye roll email, I just felt miserable she isn't dumped on a Pacific island, that is slowly being flooded, without any citizenship of any safe country to go to.
Such a degree of self obsession, callous indifference... I often wonder how amazing the planet would be, if the ultra right, even hardISH right, just stopped breeding, so those genes did not go forward, and they had no influence on children born
I just wonder what the planet would be like, where the default position was educated care to do the right thing. Not when desperate, but when the information is made public.
So many species NOT extinct in that world. So much more clean energy... So much spontaneous kindness in general life.
I think the cue cards, at least in that clip, were so he could read of that list of previous meetings. But, yeah, still a weird look.
Jear desus i thought they were cancelling you, Nish, from the thumbnail!
The Green Party would be more radical with a stronger disability justice element.
The correct way to watch the Fast and Furious movies is to start with number 5 and then proceed in chronological order.
Are there any plans to make Pod save the UK more than once a week xD. I need my fix
Love the show..
Greens prop up Tories
ah yes, the cartoons that NO TEENAGERS should be watching because they'll turn into babies: mickey mouse and tom & jerry... it's not like mickey mouse has had a billion incarnations since his debut in 1928 (including a videogame franchise that crosses over with Final Fantasy: a set of games whose latest incarnation has an M rating). and tom & jerry, a cartoon in which a cat and mouse try to throttle each other, is DEFINITELY ONLY FOR BABIES (sarcasm).
I really want to vote green, but their stance on Nuclear Energy and High Speed Rail puts me off. How can we have a greener future without those two things? Nuclear energy is safe, and high speed rail will help get people out of ICE cars. It's so frustrating. Ditto with equality issues, especially with LGTBQ+ people.
Love this podcast :D
This is just a good old-fashioned British sex scandal. Man pays someone young enough to be their adult grandchild more money than most people take home in a year for some rude pics.
He'll probably be on I'm a celebrity next year.