I meant to put this at the end of the video! You can directly support Marlin by buying one of these for yourself! shop.spreadshirt.com/luu-lac/marlin+20+for+all+the+boards-A5d33b2631cbf3a0480fb345c?productType=812&sellable=oraJ2BJQO9TX3Nbpryqj-812-7&appearance=566 Thanks for asking!
Hi! NICE review!! I'm the creator of the Hero's fanducts... I move to U.S. and left my ender 3 behind... but I'm thinking on buy a new one... or create a Hypercube, will see later... but I'm thinking on a new "Hero" model... I really did those fanduct's for myself... but what happens with the Hero Me was unexpected!! people really like them! I know you didn't test the original Hero Me, but the Gen 3 is a great addition by mediaman!!! The problem with the Hero V2 is that the stock blower is too weak to deliver air to the 2 sides... that's why I create the Hero Me... but!! I want to make a new one with all I learned from them both... so... when I get my hands on a new printer I'll do something new and better!!!!
Thank you for watching and thanks for your awesome contribution to the 3D printing community! Good luck with a new printer and I can't wait to see what you design next!
Moving from Hero. Printing is tragic, you need a lot of custom supports. And at the very end I found that the Bltouch holder is not compatible with Bltouch, there is not enough space to fix it with screws. Meh.
@@madrian_hello I agree with the support issue. I find that "Touching Buildplate" takes care of most of the supports needed though. It wasn't the worst. 0.12 layer height. I just did a video where I use the BLtouch on my Ender 5 Plus and it worked great!
You did a great job of covering those coolers. Keep in mind not all blowers are created equal because mine had higher CFM; My blowers are overkill for my printer because it wouldn't let it properly bond to layers as it became mildly solidified while extruding. I had to turn those fans down as low as 30% and 60% for awesome bridging.
Agree, I liked the approach and thoroughness, without any extra and unnecessary content. Clean simple testing that was very helpful for me. I've held back from running a cooler mod but am going to print that Hero Me version and give it a go.
I'm running the Petsfang/Bullseye dual duct on the Ender 5 with stock fans and have been pretty happy with it. Of course, no way to know how it compares to these. Great review and you clearly put a lot of work into your channel which is appreciated.
Kersey Fabrications nice video! Surprised you didn't try Bullseye and/or Petsfang as those seem way more commonly used than most of the ones you tried (I'd only ever heard of the Hero Me out of the ones you tried). But aside from that, really enjoyed the thoroughness, great job!
Congrats on a great review and for choosing to include my Hero Me Gen3 in the group of cooling solutions you tested. I am very pleased but not surprised that you got the great results using the Hero Me Gen3, as your testing matches the testing I and my collaborators have done over the past year. I am MediaMan, the designer of the Hero Me Gen3 ( a major remix of the great original work by Kelokera). As I don't have an Ender 5 to test against, I was not aware of the extra work needed to get the Hero Me mount attached to the base. I will look into how this could be made easier.. As others have mentioned, it is very easy to mount the Hero Me Gen3 on CR-10/S/Pro/V2 and Ender 3/Pro printers. I too would be interested in your comparing the Hero Me Gen3 against David Petsel's excellent Bullseye and Petsfang V2 cooling systems. I'd also like to mention that the Hero Me has an excellent remix community that has added dozens of derivatives, various improvements, and versions for other 3D printers (ANet, DaVinci, etc.) and extruder types (Bondtech, DirectDrive, etc.) for the Hero Me (almost all are backward compatible to the original). With the help of great reviews like yours, in just over one year my Hero Me Gen3 cooling systems have grown in popularity to now be downloaded over 30 thousand times a month!
Thanks MediaMan and I'm glad you found the review. I appreciate your hard work, along with the community's, to bring this to so many printers and other variations.
See - #8.5 for comparison of the Hero Me Gen3 against David Petsel's Bullseye and Petsfang. Especially as Bullseye was one of my first mods - printed in PLA and the fans already deformed a bit. I bought new blowers - I am looking for alternative: Hero Me or Petsfang :) that could be printed with PETG. Update - See - #8.5 video!
A lot of effort for a little improvement. Stock cooler is better than many think. For general user probably not worth doing. I would recommend offsetting your terminal location s when modding the cables. End result is a neater/tidier cable routing.
I thought the improvement was pretty significant for my needs. I know CHEP said the same thing though. Stock cooling was great for everything he does. Thanks for the cabling tip.
I am starting to think that the dual duct systems are an advantage for symmetry BUT so much cooling efficiency is lost by the collision of the air that it doesn't really shine like it should. I am experimenting with single duct massive flow coolers. It's not as symmetric obviously but I find that the print quality is drastically better.
Well, if you find one where overhangs on any side look equivalent, let me know. When printing helmets, I don't want to do more work on the left than the right.
the problem with your left fan is that the incoming airflow is partially blocked so it does not produce as much air through that side. it is just a design flaw in the duct.
the left uses ambient air, the right uses air that left the hotel so it cools less, so the difference, mounted from the front the fans take the air from the left
Ok... now I'm on the hunt for an installation video of the Hero Me Gen3 on an Ender 5. I came back to watch and I searched your video and I don't think you show how it's installed? As I said before, thanks for all this work, you saved us an enormous amount of time.
Ok... Well I was hoping for one that’s a bit slower. What type of screws used where and how to calibrate the nozzle location as my understanding is we want to cool the part where the new plastic meets the part being printed and not the hot-end. Also, it would be great to include how to print the darn parts. Orientation and slicer settings recommends for Cura and maybe Simplify3D. I wasted hours of printing to have the main duct unit break while trying to remove supports. My second print was better, yet supports were still a bit of an issue. When I searched TH-cam I found one person that takes a bit slower install onto an Ender 3. I have the Ender 5. But it’s about the same. I also have the EZABL. Thanks... I really appreciate your videos and time and sharing all of this with us neophytes.
Dude, this video is epic. Must have been a huge amount of hours you invested into the making of this video. Very informativ. Presented nicely. Great work.
I wonder about the voltage. Since its designed for one radial fan, and you tossed two 5015s.. the power to each fan would be insufficient. That might explain how two fans at "100%" work but fail at "80%". I will check how much power the port provides later today when I get back to reassembling my ender. Though I know you are lowering the power for noise.
A radial and blower fan is the same type of fan the other one you are using is Callesen an Axial fan. By the way should check out the new hero Me Gen 6👍
Hey mate thanks for sharing this series I have learnt some new things. I have an Ender 6 and I just ordered a all metel Biqu H2 and a bl touch. Would you recommend switching to Klipper or stick with Marlin. I will be setting up a raspberry pi on it also.
Seeing as the quality of the overhangs increased with bigger cooling area, wouldn't it be a good idea to use a bigger fan, without (or with minimal) air duct, to cool the whole printed part more evenly?
Good video. Glad I found your channel. No cooling duct comparison is complete without the Bullseye and Petsfang V2. The designer actually did wind studies. :)
So, quite confused here after this video, so maybe two questions, using an ender 5 now with silend board ( and the fans beeing loudest now :D ): - is any of the setups capable of making the hotend fan less noisy? - which one of your examples would be best here? - would replacing the fan with a more quiet one without the new fan duct do the job as well? Thank you ;)
Go check out the second part of this video review: th-cam.com/video/nGxC0QkL4Mc/w-d-xo.html In that video I measure noise on some of the better performing options. In order to really answer your question, I'd have to specifically target low noise versus good cooling. My opinion would be to go for the best cooling and then just turn down the maximum fan speed to what you're looking for noise-wise and do some tests. That's no necessarily going to produce the very best results but it's the most flexible solution.
A Q for you. Any particular reason you don't use a 40x20 fan instead of a 40x10 on the HeroMe? Should render potential better performance AND lower noise (relatively). looking at the HeroMe design there seems to be no reason why the increased height of the fan should be an issue? The Sunon vapo bearing fans seems to be popular for performance fans that are quiet.
I've never needed a larger fan there, for airflow or noise. Both seem good with the 40mm fan I use. Only the blowers are particularly loud IMO. That certainly doesn't mean there aren't better options.
i have been tinkering with my ender5, and found out that the x-carriage mount is different enough from the ender3 and cr10 such that you cannot use mounts that clip to the side of the x-carriage of the 3d printer. Also, the gt2belt position causes problems with the compatibility with some mounts.
I wish someone who does these mods to the fans would post the link to the connectors! I've had a hard time getting the right ones to do this. You post everything else, but the required connectors. 😤
Sorry about that. I've added this to the description and here for your convenience: 5 Pairs JST-XH 2.54mm 2-Pin Prewired: amzn.to/3Dz4Z2C 560Pcs 2.54mm 2/3/4/5 Pin JST-XH Connectors: amzn.to/3mW6CS5
Great video. I got to be careful with mountings because my Ender 5 is direct drive and has a different plate. I'll look into this Hero Me Gen3. What's got me stumped is you went through the wiring part too fast, adding that second set of wires. Thanks
Yeah, the mounting may be different since I'm sure the inlet is different. Sorry if that went too quickly. I actually forgot to show how I did dual fans. For that I simply made a splitter. I can post some pictures to my social accounts. Are you on any other platform?
@@kerseyfabs I got the photo. Thanks. I Got the EZ-ABL coming with the OEM mount for Ender 5. So I got to wait to see which fooling shroud I can get. What do you call those little white connectors?
See the new Community post and comments: th-cam.com/channels/0wibNiEDwok18wFNRHrHMg.htmlcommunity?lb=UgzA4IgiQWz2RhyQXdp4AaABCQ I'll also add this in the video description.
Great review! One issue though, fans are not all the same. With out knowing what fan you used, we can not expect the same results. I really wish an engineer with experience in hydrodynamics would address cooling issues. Even as a "just a random smart guy," some of these are obviously poorly designed to me.
thanks for the video and all the testing. the 'my hero' cooler seems great, but I don't understand why they need to have the heat block offset. I am going to put a microswiss on the used ender 5 plus I just got. either way I want to upgrade the cooler. just don't understand why move the hot end when it is so easy to not move it, thus no customized offsets and minimize the chance of a nozzle that isn't completely vertical due to weak print or over tightening hardware
Great Video, thanx for the hard work you put in. Since im a little late, ive seen there is now a Hero Me V4, dont know if you are planning on testing that one out as well, would love to hear what you think of it, as im looking at upgrading my Ender 5 Plus in the near Future.
What has been worrying me is that the Ender 5 plus have a different mounting bracket (from what I've gathered) so many of the popular options, generally designed for the Ender 3 and CR 10 without modification. To what degree is that true? Someone suggested just buying a spare CR/Ender bracket and swap out the E5+ one, thoughts on that?
The Ender 5 and Ender 5 Plus have the same bracket. There are a lot of mounting options available for the Ender 5. All of the coolers I reviewed in both of these videos for example.
How does the extra weight of the larger coolers/fans affect the stepper motor? Is there any extra current draw that will eventually burn out the drive circuit?
Question, I have a CR10S Pro like to keep the stock fans, will any cooling you talked about above work? You where on when Nikko was unboxing this is how I found you.
@@roncosta5197 I couldn't find it on their site easily, so here's a direct link to my shared drive: drive.google.com/open?id=15CL_Ck2p1Lez9RxWpfpv_jguMLuYUx0m This is the file direct from them.
Hello! how did you installed two part cooling fans in the ender 5? I am with the stock fan, the 4010, but after your video I want to do the same like you
This was a joke right?... Wasted 21 minutes of everyone's time, he could have left the last 8 minutes rather than comparing coolers that are the same or worse than the stock lmfao. If this was a comparing video then yes but the title is "Best part cooler" not 4 fails and what you came to see lol
Since there is so small "gain" over the default cooling, would it not be good if the dual one, actually where based on dual 4010? Does not seem the fan itself - improve to much? Reson for askin is to keep the whole part as narrow as possible (valid point on a Ender5)
I didn't include it for time but I did test a dual 4010 configuration. The performance was terrible! So until I find a cooler that actually is marginally worth using, I can't recommend it.
Awesome! I hope you like it! I haven't tried a lot of solutions on that one. Be sure to check out the Hero Me Gen5, which seems to have a ton of mounting options.
The item name in the description for the fans say 24v. Does the Ender 5 by default have a 24v rail? or is this A) a typo? B) is a boost converter used? C) Can you just power the 24v from 12v?
You can find the latest Hero Me Gen 7 by MediaMan3D here: www.printables.com/model/39322-hero-me-gen7-master-suite If you'd like just the Hero Me Gen 3 components for the Ender 5 Plus, I made a small package you can download here: drive.google.com/file/d/1NeK_pgA0ybvXzCa8dG-aapFtDAmJl6yg/view?usp=share_link
Just added a fan onto an ender 3 v2 setup, have the 2 fans spliced together but when u turn in the machine it doesn't go past the name upon boot, what do I do?
Hey man, thanks for the great video! I was looking through the comments and did not find an answer - to install DUAL part cooling fans, did you merely split the existing + and - wires? You wired the two new fans in Parallel to the existing wires? Thanks again!
Sorry about that. I left it out of the video by mistake. I just made a splitter. I posted a photo and description on my Community page: th-cam.com/channels/0wibNiEDwok18wFNRHrHMg.htmlcommunity?lb=UgzA4IgiQWz2RhyQXdp4AaABCQ
How can i plug to 5015 fan to my motherboard as you did? I tryed to mix two together and plug in one input in my mother board and it had a shor circuit :/ What is the right way?
Nice video dude, but i have 2 question for u... 1) I have ender 3 with microswiss hotend and direct drive and blt too.. Which heatsink should I print? 2) and with bmg with directdrive + blt ? i have 2 printers with 2 different hotend+directdrive
Thank you! The Hero Me Gen 5 is out now and they have a lot of different components to fit different configurations. You'll have to check out their configuration guide for details.
Question today i took my one year old ender 5 in the garge and used my compresser to clean it... then i put it back an powered it up and noticed only the fan that is mounted on inside of hotend turned on ...the one mounted on outside was not spinning... are both fans supposed to turn when machine is powered on??? or does out side mounted one turn on after print is started??? thanks
Thanks for an awesome video. Going to make the Hero 3. When connecting the dual fan do you just connect both fans to the same wire to the hotend in parallel?
Kersey Fabrications fwiw, overhang performance also depends on layer height vs line width ratio. The lower the layers and the wider the lines, the more support the overhang has by the layer beneath. I’d be curious if these results hold true with lower layer heights, or if it’s possible to compensate for worse cooling by using lower layer heights or larger line widths
It would be an interesting analysis. For the purpose of this video, it was a comparative difference between the cooling solutions and I think most people use those settings from day to day.
@@kerseyfabs yeh please do, that would be awsome, i have tried to find a premade y-adapter but cant seem to find it anywhere, then i tried to make it m,myself but cant seem to find the 2x2 connector to fit all 4 wires into
I believe all of them were m3 screws but I don't recall the lengths. My suggestion is to buy a multipack off of somewhere like Amazon so you have options. You'll probably use these in the future anyway: amzn.to/3cN8Cp4
I've seen some people using actual infrared tests with exotic part cooling methods. Having air on the bottom of an enclosure pumped up into a pvc or 3d printed long duct parallel to the built plate was beyond just noticable, it might actually be bad for some materials. What i haven't seen done is a fanless hotend heatsink setup. Anyone seen anything like this? Using an independent high output fan that ends with hidden outputs aimed at the heatsink without obstructing them. This is not for practical reasons just something that seems interesting to try but if anyone has done this let me know.
Great video. I want to ask about which was the best for the ender 5 I didn't really get it ^__^' and I opened the links there's many files which model and what files are best for ender 5 pro. Thanks
I'm sorry if the information was a bit thick. The Hero Me Gen 3 was the best I tested. You can find the link to the cooler and the Ender 5 mount in the description.
I understand. Here are the base parts to download: Hero_Me_Base_for_Ender_5_Gen3a.stl Hero_Me_Base_Lock_Ender_5_Gen3.stl HM_Base_Lock_No_ABL_Ender_5_Gen3.stl Hero_Me_Dual_5015_Duct_Gen3.stl I think that's it. This is in the order they're in the file list.
damn i guess the gen 3 was replaced by gen 7 now. Bunch of reviews talk major shit on it... Guess I'll try it? If it does the over hang better or equal to i guess ill run it
man fk me, looks like i have to modify firmware for stock hotend for one stock heat break fan and the dual 5015 part fans.... I'm not ready for all that
@kerseyfabs Yea Hero 7 is crazy, I want that 3 fan setup but I think im gonna go with the Satsana with the Sreel BL Touch remix and then try and remix for the 5015 fans.
Technically, yes. Practically, not really. There are a lot of variables such as how much cooling the nozzle receives. I always watch for fluctuations in the temps to see if it's needed.
Great video! thanks! I bet you've already thought about it.. but just in case.. what about an all metal hotend and an enclosure for printing ABS, Polycarbonate, ASA and all of that nice stuff =D
There aren't really any inherently quiet blower fans. I've heard good things about Sunon fans but I think they're all 12V fans and most modern printers are 24V. There are two good solutions though BUT keep in mind both of these reduce air flow. Only testing can tell you how much. 1) Buy a 12V fan and a buck converter to take 24V to 12V. 2) Take your 24V fan and just run a lower speed. I think all slicers allow you to set the max fan speed. Instead of 100%, choose 85% or 50%, whatever works for you. Since I have dual 5015 blowers, I typically run my fans at 85% to keep vibration down.
@@kerseyfabs i have looked up some sunon 5015 blower fans, they run at 39dB wich seems pretty good. The only problem is that they don’t sell them in my area (the Netherlands) so i’m probably going to buy 2 24 volt 5015 blower fans in combination with the hero me gen5 and run them at lower speed. And thank you by the way for the well explained video and quick reply!!
As I mentioned, there were too many to include them all. I completely understand why some feel this was an oversight. Since there seems to be enough interest, I'll be happy to do a follow-up video in a few weeks!
Sorry about that. Apparently that link only works for me. Go to my community tab and check about 3 months ago for an image: th-cam.com/channels/0wibNiEDwok18wFNRHrHMg.htmlcommunity
I appreciate that! I also appreciate the audio issues. Starting in my next video I have a whole new setup. It's been something I've been working on for a long time.
where did you get the t-shirt?
I meant to put this at the end of the video! You can directly support Marlin by buying one of these for yourself! shop.spreadshirt.com/luu-lac/marlin+20+for+all+the+boards-A5d33b2631cbf3a0480fb345c?productType=812&sellable=oraJ2BJQO9TX3Nbpryqj-812-7&appearance=566 Thanks for asking!
@@kerseyfabs Thanks! ordering one now!
Hi! NICE review!! I'm the creator of the Hero's fanducts... I move to U.S. and left my ender 3 behind... but I'm thinking on buy a new one... or create a Hypercube, will see later... but I'm thinking on a new "Hero" model... I really did those fanduct's for myself... but what happens with the Hero Me was unexpected!! people really like them! I know you didn't test the original Hero Me, but the Gen 3 is a great addition by mediaman!!!
The problem with the Hero V2 is that the stock blower is too weak to deliver air to the 2 sides... that's why I create the Hero Me... but!! I want to make a new one with all I learned from them both... so... when I get my hands on a new printer I'll do something new and better!!!!
Thank you for watching and thanks for your awesome contribution to the 3D printing community! Good luck with a new printer and I can't wait to see what you design next!
Moving from Hero. Printing is tragic, you need a lot of custom supports. And at the very end I found that the Bltouch holder is not compatible with Bltouch, there is not enough space to fix it with screws. Meh.
@@madrian_hello I agree with the support issue. I find that "Touching Buildplate" takes care of most of the supports needed though. It wasn't the worst. 0.12 layer height. I just did a video where I use the BLtouch on my Ender 5 Plus and it worked great!
You did a great job of covering those coolers. Keep in mind not all blowers are created equal because mine had higher CFM; My blowers are overkill for my printer because it wouldn't let it properly bond to layers as it became mildly solidified while extruding. I had to turn those fans down as low as 30% and 60% for awesome bridging.
Thanks! I agree and I've had to do that before on other printers. It brings the noise down too.
This is the best parts cooler comparison video I have seen so far.
Thanks! I appreciate the feedback!
Agree, I liked the approach and thoroughness, without any extra and unnecessary content. Clean simple testing that was very helpful for me. I've held back from running a cooler mod but am going to print that Hero Me version and give it a go.
One of the very best cooling reviews ever produced! Well done. Your pace and details are spot on too. Thanks!
You're too kind! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for posting your files :) I have completed the top 5 upgrades the fan upgrade is such an improvement!.
My pleasure. I think it's about time for a new top five.
I'm running the Petsfang/Bullseye dual duct on the Ender 5 with stock fans and have been pretty happy with it. Of course, no way to know how it compares to these. Great review and you clearly put a lot of work into your channel which is appreciated.
Thank you! There were too many options to include them all, so I just sampled the styles available. Thanks for letting us know what's working for you!
Kersey Fabrications nice video! Surprised you didn't try Bullseye and/or Petsfang as those seem way more commonly used than most of the ones you tried (I'd only ever heard of the Hero Me out of the ones you tried). But aside from that, really enjoyed the thoroughness, great job!
I'm running stock fans on my Ender 3 and CR-10s but I see no need to change until filament cooling becomes a real problem.
A very interesting video!
Thanks! It definitely depends on what you're printing. CHEP showed that he doesn't even need cooling with his profiles when printing 3Dbenchies.
Congrats on a great review and for choosing to include my Hero Me Gen3 in the group of cooling solutions you tested. I am very pleased but not surprised that you got the great results using the Hero Me Gen3, as your testing matches the testing I and my collaborators have done over the past year. I am MediaMan, the designer of the Hero Me Gen3 ( a major remix of the great original work by Kelokera). As I don't have an Ender 5 to test against, I was not aware of the extra work needed to get the Hero Me mount attached to the base. I will look into how this could be made easier.. As others have mentioned, it is very easy to mount the Hero Me Gen3 on CR-10/S/Pro/V2 and Ender 3/Pro printers. I too would be interested in your comparing the Hero Me Gen3 against David Petsel's excellent Bullseye and Petsfang V2 cooling systems. I'd also like to mention that the Hero Me has an excellent remix community that has added dozens of derivatives, various improvements, and versions for other 3D printers (ANet, DaVinci, etc.) and extruder types (Bondtech, DirectDrive, etc.) for the Hero Me (almost all are backward compatible to the original). With the help of great reviews like yours, in just over one year my Hero Me Gen3 cooling systems have grown in popularity to now be downloaded over 30 thousand times a month!
Thanks MediaMan and I'm glad you found the review. I appreciate your hard work, along with the community's, to bring this to so many printers and other variations.
See - #8.5 for comparison of the Hero Me Gen3 against David Petsel's Bullseye and Petsfang. Especially as Bullseye was one of my first mods - printed in PLA and the fans already deformed a bit. I bought new blowers - I am looking for alternative: Hero Me or Petsfang :) that could be printed with PETG.
Update - See - #8.5 video!
@@rafalmag Please check my channel, the video is available where I compare the two. Thanks!
A lot of effort for a little improvement. Stock cooler is better than many think. For general user probably not worth doing. I would recommend offsetting your terminal location s when modding the cables. End result is a neater/tidier cable routing.
I thought the improvement was pretty significant for my needs. I know CHEP said the same thing though. Stock cooling was great for everything he does. Thanks for the cabling tip.
I am starting to think that the dual duct systems are an advantage for symmetry BUT so much cooling efficiency is lost by the collision of the air that it doesn't really shine like it should. I am experimenting with single duct massive flow coolers. It's not as symmetric obviously but I find that the print quality is drastically better.
Well, if you find one where overhangs on any side look equivalent, let me know. When printing helmets, I don't want to do more work on the left than the right.
the problem with your left fan is that the incoming airflow is partially blocked so it does not produce as much air through that side. it is just a design flaw in the duct.
the left uses ambient air, the right uses air that left the hotel so it cools less, so the difference, mounted from the front the fans take the air from the left
I see what you're saying. Thanks for that. So to improve the Hero Me Gen 3, we'd have to find a way to rotate the fan.
Ok... now I'm on the hunt for an installation video of the Hero Me Gen3 on an Ender 5. I came back to watch and I searched your video and I don't think you show how it's installed? As I said before, thanks for all this work, you saved us an enormous amount of time.
I showed how to install it on another video on my channel, although fairly quickly. I hope this helps: th-cam.com/video/dbS9MA4UkZA/w-d-xo.html
Ok... Well I was hoping for one that’s a bit slower. What type of screws used where and how to calibrate the nozzle location as my understanding is we want to cool the part where the new plastic meets the part being printed and not the hot-end.
Also, it would be great to include how to print the darn parts. Orientation and slicer settings recommends for Cura and maybe Simplify3D. I wasted hours of printing to have the main duct unit break while trying to remove supports. My second print was better, yet supports were still a bit of an issue.
When I searched TH-cam I found one person that takes a bit slower install onto an Ender 3. I have the Ender 5. But it’s about the same. I also have the EZABL.
Thanks... I really appreciate your videos and time and sharing all of this with us neophytes.
Dude, this video is epic. Must have been a huge amount of hours you invested into the making of this video. Very informativ. Presented nicely. Great work.
Thanks! It was a ton of work but I was happy with the results. Make sure you watch part two!
I wonder about the voltage. Since its designed for one radial fan, and you tossed two 5015s.. the power to each fan would be insufficient. That might explain how two fans at "100%" work but fail at "80%". I will check how much power the port provides later today when I get back to reassembling my ender. Though I know you are lowering the power for noise.
I know older video but link to playlist in your descriptions would be good since this is a "series" ;).
A radial and blower fan is the same type of fan the other one you are using is Callesen an Axial fan. By the way should check out the new hero Me Gen 6👍
Hey mate thanks for sharing this series I have learnt some new things. I have an Ender 6 and I just ordered a all metel Biqu H2 and a bl touch. Would you recommend switching to Klipper or stick with Marlin. I will be setting up a raspberry pi on it also.
Seeing as the quality of the overhangs increased with bigger cooling area, wouldn't it be a good idea to use a bigger fan, without (or with minimal) air duct, to cool the whole printed part more evenly?
You don't need to cool the whole part, only where the filament is being laid down. Once cooled, it shouldn't sag.
If you look at the left side fan, it has the hotend cooling fan right infront of it blocking off air flow
The links for Nikko Industries are not working anymore (404). Thanks for taking the time to run all those tests, you are saving people A LOT of time!
Updated! Check it out!
@@kerseyfabs Awesome! Thank you !
Great to see a methodical approach for a change! The sound was a bit distorted, but a great vid.
Thanks! I think I finally have all of the sounds issues sorted in my latest videos. It just took time to get the right equipment.
Thank you for such detailed research and answers. I am just preparing to buy my printer and appropriate upgrades for top quality printing!
You're very welcome!
Good video. Glad I found your channel.
No cooling duct comparison is complete without the Bullseye and Petsfang V2. The designer actually did wind studies. :)
😆 I've heard you loud a clear. There are some fresh prints on my work bench! Stay tuned!
Will you do a video of a in-depth on how to fit the fan set up you have on
I know this isn't in-depth but see if this helps: th-cam.com/video/dbS9MA4UkZA/w-d-xo.html
So, quite confused here after this video, so maybe two questions, using an ender 5 now with silend board ( and the fans beeing loudest now :D ):
- is any of the setups capable of making the hotend fan less noisy?
- which one of your examples would be best here?
- would replacing the fan with a more quiet one without the new fan duct do the job as well?
Thank you ;)
Go check out the second part of this video review: th-cam.com/video/nGxC0QkL4Mc/w-d-xo.html
In that video I measure noise on some of the better performing options. In order to really answer your question, I'd have to specifically target low noise versus good cooling. My opinion would be to go for the best cooling and then just turn down the maximum fan speed to what you're looking for noise-wise and do some tests. That's no necessarily going to produce the very best results but it's the most flexible solution.
A Q for you. Any particular reason you don't use a 40x20 fan instead of a 40x10 on the HeroMe? Should render potential better performance AND lower noise (relatively). looking at the HeroMe design there seems to be no reason why the increased height of the fan should be an issue? The Sunon vapo bearing fans seems to be popular for performance fans that are quiet.
I've never needed a larger fan there, for airflow or noise. Both seem good with the 40mm fan I use. Only the blowers are particularly loud IMO. That certainly doesn't mean there aren't better options.
i have been tinkering with my ender5, and found out that the x-carriage mount is different enough from the ender3 and cr10 such that you cannot use mounts that clip to the side of the x-carriage of the 3d printer. Also, the gt2belt position causes problems with the compatibility with some mounts.
That's true. All of these mounts either had Ender 5 variations or required little or no mods to get them installed.
I wish someone who does these mods to the fans would post the link to the connectors! I've had a hard time getting the right ones to do this. You post everything else, but the required connectors. 😤
Sorry about that. I've added this to the description and here for your convenience:
5 Pairs JST-XH 2.54mm 2-Pin Prewired: amzn.to/3Dz4Z2C
560Pcs 2.54mm 2/3/4/5 Pin JST-XH Connectors: amzn.to/3mW6CS5
Any thoughts on creating a video that looks at the current-gen Hero Me Gen 5 Chris?
I've wanted to but I haven't had time. It's on the list.
Great video. I got to be careful with mountings because my Ender 5 is direct drive and has a different plate. I'll look into this Hero Me Gen3. What's got me stumped is you went through the wiring part too fast, adding that second set of wires. Thanks
Yeah, the mounting may be different since I'm sure the inlet is different. Sorry if that went too quickly. I actually forgot to show how I did dual fans. For that I simply made a splitter. I can post some pictures to my social accounts. Are you on any other platform?
@@kerseyfabs Hi Yes I sent you a message on FB
@@kerseyfabs I got the photo. Thanks. I Got the EZ-ABL coming with the OEM mount for Ender 5. So I got to wait to see which fooling shroud I can get. What do you call those little white connectors?
See the new Community post and comments: th-cam.com/channels/0wibNiEDwok18wFNRHrHMg.htmlcommunity?lb=UgzA4IgiQWz2RhyQXdp4AaABCQ
I'll also add this in the video description.
Good video! he has hero me gen 5 now. What do you think about the latest gen vs gen 3? Can we expect an updated video?
I haven't had time to test the latest. I would love to do an updated video but I have so many other videos on my list. Thanks for the comment!
Love your channel. Keep up the good work. I have a Ender 5 Plus. I have done the upgrades you recommend and thank you.
Awesome! Thank you! Smooth prints to you!
Great review!
One issue though, fans are not all the same. With out knowing what fan you used, we can not expect the same results.
I really wish an engineer with experience in hydrodynamics would address cooling issues. Even as a "just a random smart guy," some of these are obviously poorly designed to me.
I appreciate it! I linked directly to the fans I used in the video description. For clarity, I just added some additional information that will help.
Any firmware updates needed for the Hero Gen Me 5?
Will your old firmware work?
Technically, yes, it will work. The offset may be off some but it's still better than the stock firmware.
thanks for the video and all the testing. the 'my hero' cooler seems great, but I don't understand why they need to have the heat block offset. I am going to put a microswiss on the used ender 5 plus I just got. either way I want to upgrade the cooler. just don't understand why move the hot end when it is so easy to not move it, thus no customized offsets and minimize the chance of a nozzle that isn't completely vertical due to weak print or over tightening hardware
This video is definetely worth a 30 mins of my time!
Thanks. Well done. Agree with results.
Thanks for watching!
Great Video, thanx for the hard work you put in. Since im a little late, ive seen there is now a Hero Me V4, dont know if you are planning on testing that one out as well, would love to hear what you think of it, as im looking at upgrading my Ender 5 Plus in the near Future.
What has been worrying me is that the Ender 5 plus have a different mounting bracket (from what I've gathered) so many of the popular options, generally designed for the Ender 3 and CR 10 without modification. To what degree is that true? Someone suggested just buying a spare CR/Ender bracket and swap out the E5+ one, thoughts on that?
The Ender 5 and Ender 5 Plus have the same bracket. There are a lot of mounting options available for the Ender 5. All of the coolers I reviewed in both of these videos for example.
How does the extra weight of the larger coolers/fans affect the stepper motor? Is there any extra current draw that will eventually burn out the drive circuit?
I've never seen any adverse affect on the motors to extra weight. You'd see skipping before the motor failed.
Question, I have a CR10S Pro like to keep the stock fans, will any cooling you talked about above work? You where on when Nikko was unboxing this is how I found you.
Awesome and welcome! The Hero Me Gen 3 has an option especially for the CR10S Pro: www.thingiverse.com/thing:3433619
@@kerseyfabs So thank you very much, So many question, but my slicer is S3d where did you get the file from Micoswiss from?
@@roncosta5197 I couldn't find it on their site easily, so here's a direct link to my shared drive: drive.google.com/open?id=15CL_Ck2p1Lez9RxWpfpv_jguMLuYUx0m
This is the file direct from them.
i need the i love you 3000 stl im looking for it right now in tears
It's in the description and here you go! www.nikkoindustries.com/products/i-love-you-3000-stl?ref=kerseyfabs
Fantastic review. Definitely going with the Hero Me system on my Ender 5 pro. Subscribed!
I appreciate it! Happy printing!
Fantastic reviews
Great job!!!!
Thanks for sharing this great test 👍😀
Hello! how did you installed two part cooling fans in the ender 5? I am with the stock fan, the 4010, but after your video I want to do the same like you
i am having the same trouble. did you end up finding a solution for adding the dual fans
Great review of the various options. You saved us A lot of time... Thanks!
This was a joke right?... Wasted 21 minutes of everyone's time, he could have left the last 8 minutes rather than comparing coolers that are the same or worse than the stock lmfao. If this was a comparing video then yes but the title is "Best part cooler" not 4 fails and what you came to see lol
Where did you find the ender 5 mount for the BantaMount, and is there an ender 3 version? I would love to get that adapted to fit on my ender 3!
Since there is so small "gain" over the default cooling, would it not be good if the dual one, actually where based on dual 4010? Does not seem the fan itself - improve to much?
Reson for askin is to keep the whole part as narrow as possible (valid point on a Ender5)
I didn't include it for time but I did test a dual 4010 configuration. The performance was terrible! So until I find a cooler that actually is marginally worth using, I can't recommend it.
I have an ender 5 Plus and going to install micro swiss Direct Drive thanks to your channel. What would be the best cooling mounts I should use.
Awesome! I hope you like it! I haven't tried a lot of solutions on that one. Be sure to check out the Hero Me Gen5, which seems to have a ton of mounting options.
Which material should we print the Hero Me with, ABS or PLA? I am going to be upgrading to the Micro swiss print head , does that make a difference?
Sorry i should learn to read bellow. Great reviews btw!!!
The item name in the description for the fans say 24v. Does the Ender 5 by default have a 24v rail? or is this A) a typo? B) is a boost converter used? C) Can you just power the 24v from 12v?
It's a 24V printer. 🙂
I saw that the dual fans affect my BL touch, start flickering when fans were on. Currently have the single fan Hero me
There could be some electrical issues. It won't be a problem though if your fan is off during probing.
hero me gen3 link no longer works.... do you have an updated link?
You can find the latest Hero Me Gen 7 by MediaMan3D here: www.printables.com/model/39322-hero-me-gen7-master-suite
If you'd like just the Hero Me Gen 3 components for the Ender 5 Plus, I made a small package you can download here: drive.google.com/file/d/1NeK_pgA0ybvXzCa8dG-aapFtDAmJl6yg/view?usp=share_link
Just added a fan onto an ender 3 v2 setup, have the 2 fans spliced together but when u turn in the machine it doesn't go past the name upon boot, what do I do?
Hi So having this quiet main board there is no need of them motor dampers anymore , like we used to install on the older printers ?
That's correct. TMC steppers don't need them.
Will these work on the micro swiss setup you installed later?
Absolute TOP Test and Video
Hey man, thanks for the great video! I was looking through the comments and did not find an answer - to install DUAL part cooling fans, did you merely split the existing + and - wires? You wired the two new fans in Parallel to the existing wires? Thanks again!
Sorry about that. I left it out of the video by mistake. I just made a splitter. I posted a photo and description on my Community page: th-cam.com/channels/0wibNiEDwok18wFNRHrHMg.htmlcommunity?lb=UgzA4IgiQWz2RhyQXdp4AaABCQ
How can i plug to 5015 fan to my motherboard as you did? I tryed to mix two together and plug in one input in my mother board and it had a shor circuit :/
What is the right way?
Im looking for a simple yet effective should with twin 5015 for my ender 3 pro. Any help would be appreciated
Excellent detailed analysis. Well done.
Is it quieter with 1 fan and to blowers on 75% , than 2 stock fans on 100% ? Thanks for video , amazing Job !!!
It's probably still a little louder with the blowers but not bad. Plus it cools more evenly.
newbie question ... How do you change the speed to 75% on dual fan setup ? Does it change the hotend fan speed as well at the same time ?
In Cura, there is a "Fan Speed" setting under "Cooling." The hot end fan should be hard wired at 100%. This will not affect it.
Nice video dude, but i have 2 question for u...
1) I have ender 3 with microswiss hotend and direct drive and blt too.. Which heatsink should I print?
2) and with bmg with directdrive + blt ? i have 2 printers with 2 different hotend+directdrive
Thank you! The Hero Me Gen 5 is out now and they have a lot of different components to fit different configurations. You'll have to check out their configuration guide for details.
@@kerseyfabs not for microswiss direct drive..
Question today i took my one year old ender 5 in the garge and used my compresser to clean it... then i put it back an powered it up and noticed only the fan that is mounted on inside of hotend turned on ...the one mounted on outside was not spinning... are both fans supposed to turn when machine is powered on??? or does out side mounted one turn on after print is started??? thanks
Thanks for an awesome video. Going to make the Hero 3. When connecting the dual fan do you just connect both fans to the same wire to the hotend in parallel?
Yes, you'll need a splitter. You can check out this video where I show how I made one: th-cam.com/video/dbS9MA4UkZA/w-d-xo.html
A|S hero v2 is still my favorite duct
What layer thickness and line width did you print the overhang tests with?
It was a while back but most likely 0.2mm layers with a 0.4mm line width.
Kersey Fabrications fwiw, overhang performance also depends on layer height vs line width ratio. The lower the layers and the wider the lines, the more support the overhang has by the layer beneath. I’d be curious if these results hold true with lower layer heights, or if it’s possible to compensate for worse cooling by using lower layer heights or larger line widths
It would be an interesting analysis. For the purpose of this video, it was a comparative difference between the cooling solutions and I think most people use those settings from day to day.
how did you wire the dual fans in as the printer only has 1 connector to plug the fan in
I just made a Y-adapter using the proper connectors and wires. Maybe I'll make a show on how to create on sometime.
@@kerseyfabs yeh please do, that would be awsome, i have tried to find a premade y-adapter but cant seem to find it anywhere, then i tried to make it m,myself but cant seem to find the 2x2 connector to fit all 4 wires into
Hello, wich screws / nuts did you used for the Hero me gen 3 upgrade and wich amount ? Thanks
I believe all of them were m3 screws but I don't recall the lengths. My suggestion is to buy a multipack off of somewhere like Amazon so you have options. You'll probably use these in the future anyway: amzn.to/3cN8Cp4
I've seen some people using actual infrared tests with exotic part cooling methods. Having air on the bottom of an enclosure pumped up into a pvc or 3d printed long duct parallel to the built plate was beyond just noticable, it might actually be bad for some materials. What i haven't seen done is a fanless hotend heatsink setup. Anyone seen anything like this? Using an independent high output fan that ends with hidden outputs aimed at the heatsink without obstructing them. This is not for practical reasons just something that seems interesting to try but if anyone has done this let me know.
Great video. I want to ask about which was the best for the ender 5 I didn't really get it ^__^' and I opened the links there's many files which model and what files are best for ender 5 pro. Thanks
I'm sorry if the information was a bit thick. The Hero Me Gen 3 was the best I tested. You can find the link to the cooler and the Ender 5 mount in the description.
@@kerseyfabs i found the link but there's many files which one should i download to print
I understand. Here are the base parts to download:
Hero_Me_Base_for_Ender_5_Gen3a.stl
Hero_Me_Base_Lock_Ender_5_Gen3.stl
HM_Base_Lock_No_ABL_Ender_5_Gen3.stl
Hero_Me_Dual_5015_Duct_Gen3.stl
I think that's it. This is in the order they're in the file list.
Great job!
Thank you! Cheers!
damn i guess the gen 3 was replaced by gen 7 now. Bunch of reviews talk major shit on it... Guess I'll try it? If it does the over hang better or equal to i guess ill run it
man fk me, looks like i have to modify firmware for stock hotend for one stock heat break fan and the dual 5015 part fans.... I'm not ready for all that
Sorry about that! I do like the new one though.
@kerseyfabs Yea Hero 7 is crazy, I want that 3 fan setup but I think im gonna go with the Satsana with the Sreel BL Touch remix and then try and remix for the 5015 fans.
THank you for the video, very helpful!
"...what a pain this cooler was....." FACT!!!
odd, no petsfang/bullseye ducts? at the very least dual 4010 blowers?
I did a follow-up video: th-cam.com/video/nGxC0QkL4Mc/w-d-xo.html Thanks!
Wouldn't you need to do a PID tune with each setup?
Technically, yes. Practically, not really. There are a lot of variables such as how much cooling the nozzle receives. I always watch for fluctuations in the temps to see if it's needed.
u should compare microphones! good video tho!
This was a time that I was still experimenting with audio. I think I've about got it now. I'm glad you liked the content.
Great video! thanks!
I bet you've already thought about it.. but just in case.. what about an all metal hotend and an enclosure for printing ABS, Polycarbonate, ASA and all of that nice stuff =D
Up next... ;-) well, at least the hot end part.
Awesome!!!
Again another quality video!
Thank you!
You're a smart dude, great video!
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
If you get a better slicer profile, you won't need to rely on cooling as much.
I disagree. The only other cures for overhangs would be slower printing or more supports. Neither of which seems better than my solution.
Are there not any quiet blower fans for sale?
There aren't really any inherently quiet blower fans. I've heard good things about Sunon fans but I think they're all 12V fans and most modern printers are 24V. There are two good solutions though BUT keep in mind both of these reduce air flow. Only testing can tell you how much.
1) Buy a 12V fan and a buck converter to take 24V to 12V.
2) Take your 24V fan and just run a lower speed. I think all slicers allow you to set the max fan speed. Instead of 100%, choose 85% or 50%, whatever works for you. Since I have dual 5015 blowers, I typically run my fans at 85% to keep vibration down.
@@kerseyfabs i have looked up some sunon 5015 blower fans, they run at 39dB wich seems pretty good. The only problem is that they don’t sell them in my area (the Netherlands) so i’m probably going to buy 2 24 volt 5015 blower fans in combination with the hero me gen5 and run them at lower speed. And thank you by the way for the well explained video and quick reply!!
What Files do i need for a stock Ender 5? i want to use the fan i already have.
Nice T-Shirt
did you print this out of pla? or petg
I used HTPLA. PETG would work great too.
You should trye the Hero me gen 5
I agree! I've just been happy with what I have and haven't had the time to upgrade. I'd love to refresh this video later this year!
Do most of these work on the Ender 5 Pro?
Hi will this work for Ender 5 Plus, love the vid
:)
Absolutely. I use it on mine.
Very interesting Cris thank you
How on earth can you do a proper comparison without a bullseye?
As I mentioned, there were too many to include them all. I completely understand why some feel this was an oversight. Since there seems to be enough interest, I'll be happy to do a follow-up video in a few weeks!
How’s the electrical connection for the second fan.?
I just made a Y-adapter with extra connectors. It works well. See here: th-cam.com/users/postUgzA4IgiQWz2RhyQXdp4AaABCQ (Does not work. Sorry.)
@@kerseyfabs the link doesn't work
Sorry about that. Apparently that link only works for me. Go to my community tab and check about 3 months ago for an image: th-cam.com/channels/0wibNiEDwok18wFNRHrHMg.htmlcommunity
What is the best cooler for the Creality Ender 5 pro?
I really like the Hero Me series of coolers but they can be confusing to configure. Find them on Thingiverse.
watched to se if and how i can connect 2 fans on same cable.... well... idk...
You just make a Y adapter. If this is needed, I can do a video on it.
this is ender 5 original or ender 5 plus?
This is the Ender 5 original. I think someone is working on a mount for the Plus.
Great video but yikes that audio clipping is hard to listen to. for 30 minutes.
I appreciate that! I also appreciate the audio issues. Starting in my next video I have a whole new setup. It's been something I've been working on for a long time.
So, none of them did any better than stock?
That's not at all what I said in this video.