I think less is more and they can be distracting. I’m with you why they can’t offer TFT with simulated analogue dials as they do in the car world is a mystery
I'm with you when it comes to TFTs and other electronic jiggery pokery. My current bike has ABS and that's all I need. It does make me laugh when some journos complain that their bike doesn't have phone connectivity etc... 😁
So pay more for a high tech screen that costs a hell of a lot to replace which mimics an analog clock? I just bought a tiger with an analog clock and saved £100s because I guess people want the flash screen! Great !
@@kevinthompson9151 TFT is not better at all, they are cheap to build junk screens but if we must have them they should mimic what was already much better - analog clocks.
I have a original Street Triple 765 Rs. I think there was one time I switched over to the non analogue dial. Quickly switched it back. Big Rev counter in a circle and a big MPH. Looking at the new ST 765 dash. Yuk
Just wait, things are going to get a whole lot worse once manufacturers decide we all want TFTs with voice activated menus via a phone app. Like keyless ignition they don’t care what we want (or not!) and we’re stuck with it.
@@TheMissendenFlyer Ha-ha! I have nightmares about riding with motovloggers. I always assume they do very low MPF (miles per faff) and huge FPM (faff per mile) what with all their electronicery etc to set up.
I very much disliked TFTs until I bought my KTM 890 Duke R, which has converted me. That said, this new Triumph jewelry is definitely nicer. Well done, Triumph! 🤗
Personally I prefer old fashioned analogue dials. They have.a more mechanical thing about them - the whole idea that your motorcycle is a piece of mechanical engineering that smells of oil and fuel as opposed to an electric computer game sort of appliance without character. But then I like the vintage smiths chronometric.speedos. When electric takes over, I'm out.
The reason why I walked out from buying this bike is the fact that's it's literally a one person city rider. You won't enjoy this bike for long rides. This is a second bike or a first bike for someone.
I have to say, my first bike was a KTM 390 Duke and the TFT display on that was one of the main selling points for me. But I’ve since got myself a Benelli TRK502X and I do really enjoy the analog tachometer. I could take either option to be honest.
I’m still not sold on tft displays. Whilst agree it gets a lot more information on the display i wonder why you need all that information while riding. Personally I find cycling through things like riding modes and turn by turn displays are at best distracting and at worst detract from the riding experience. Can’t we just connect to an app to get that information, and just rely on a simple elegant display while riding
Hey Andy my street triple '19 makes the same noise. I asked the mechanic at my local dealership about it and they said it's a pump for fuel recycling. FYI If you activate the kill switch the sound will stop.
I would LOVE a Tiger 900 Rallye Pro but the only thing putting me off (if we can set aside the fact I can't afford one atm!) is the TFT display. That Rev counter element is terrible. BMW have it sussed on the GS. I still reckon the BEST TFT around atm is the new Indian one! It's small and round, like the new Triumph one but is also touch screen (with gloves!). Uses large icons and just looks very nice and functional. Keep up the great work Andy!
I had a 2018 big tiger, which I liked (except for the weight), I did not upgrade to the latest model because of the toy-town TFT and the crappy joystick. I´m now on a 2021 GSA and I don´t think I´ll go back to Triumph again, unfortunately.
The Trident TFT is just okay, which makes it a big improvement over its predecessors. Triumph should start with a BMW TFT and a Kawasaki Z650 TFT and pretty much copy them. A round shape works well on analog instruments but just looks strange on an MFD. All I want on my color TFT is large clear speed and rpm, with smaller gear indicator and fuel gauge in the corners, and a couple of warning lights. That's all. Nothing more.
Like you, I too dislike electronics on bikes. IMHO, all electronics, rider modes, TFT's etc, even fuel gauges, can be summed up in just one word.......unnecessary.
Interesting assessment Andy, not sure I like TFT's at all but who cares what I think, I don't ride anymore! FYI I had sound issues with the right hand channel cutting in and out while you were showing the close ups of the TFT around 2.02 -2.35. Possibly a mic blockage or something?
That TFT is worse than an LCD made in 2006 and worse than even analog clocks. So much wasted space in an already small circumference. The tach and speedo displays are laughably tiny. And who really needs to see the current date? All I want to see at one glance is RPMs, speed, gear, coolant temp, and either fuel level, distance to empty or trip counter. This needs to be visible without having to switch between screens, multiple times at that. The way it is on the Trident is so annoying, it seems it was designed by someone who's never ridden a motorcycle before. Why not integrate the idiot lights in a bigger TFT display, and one that doesn't require constant switching to get all the info I'm getting now on my 2006 bike? Either make it look analog or fully digital. Doing it both ways just looks cheap. How about having the brightness auto adjust as any cheap cell phone screen has been capable of for many years? The last thing I want to do is to have to adjust the brightness constantly. Design it so the display can be read well in all lighting conditions. Otherwise you might as well go back to analog clocks like on the Twins. How about emulating some classic analog clocks that can be changed, similar to what's possible on the Tiger 900?
Not a fan of technology for technologies sake , what for instance would happen if that TFT went wrong out of warranty ? how much would it cost for a new one or get the old one repaired ? its not just a case of ordering a speedo cable from WEMOTO and that's it sorted is it . Remember when there was a horsepower war between manufacturers , R1s V GSXRs V ZX10s ect well this is the same thing but with tech , nobody really needs it , legally all you need is a speedo that works LOL I can see in the future there will be conversion kits back to analogue clocks for bikes like this . be interesting to see what happens down the road , maybe it would be interesting to ask the question to Triumph or BMW ect what would be the cost of replacement of a TFT in the event of a crash . Nowt wrong with a nice clock face , they've been around for hundreds of years , nice review Andy as always , this grumpy old git has had his rant , I'll get me coat LOL
My brother's Bonny and Tiger, neither would work with BT. Both of us hated the Tiger9 TFT. As for hissing Sid, open the fuel cap, then turn the bike on... I'm thinking tank pressuring.
At 2:20 you mention TFT's biggest downside; Reflections !!!! If manufacturers insist on fitting these things then they should at least make their angle of tilt adjustable and provide surrounds that act as sunshades. With the traditional twin-dial displays you just have to glance at them to see your speed and revs as opposed to the TFT where you actively have to read (decipher) the information. As with many of the new "must haves" on bikes it is more often style over substance.
Feels like the new Hayabusa really nailed it, though I haven't seen it in real life yet. Mostly analogue gauges with a small screen in the middle and few buttons on the handlebar.
I haven’t seen the Trident in person, but I do have to say I’m not a fan of the faux gauge with a tft fitted in. If it’s going to be a tft, the square style of my speed triple, or my R1250 just looks right to me. I’ve have become accustomed to the joystick on the speed triple, and quite like it, other than the fact it’s a bit close to, and can be confused for the turn signal with gloves on.
I thank you are completely right. What I’d like to see is the mix of the two. The physical speed/tacho needle and digital background. But this would be expensive.
Just please, next time dont use gopro with this ridiculus wide angle for TFT review, you see no details, instead 80% of screen is your garage. Just use iphone camera and you up your game big time. Thanks!
My only gripe with the Trident is that you can enter your name on the display and it should come on with the welcome screen when you switch on the ignition (according to my owners handbook) but it doesn’t and the dealer asked triumph and were told it doesn’t work on the trident….. so what’s the point??!!!! However, that’s a tiny gripe and the bike is just amazing I love mine
My 1200 scrambler also make that orid noise , throttle bodies buzzing ? but i discovered if i have the kill switch pushed in ,no noise . Agree retro speedo pods with tft old school looks gauges ,is a no brainer ,but i do like my scrambler set up ,and in night mode it looks retro and cooler ,me thinks .
We would love to make an anti-glare screen protector for the Trident 660 to help with those reflections - however, we have to use a special material for our Trident screen protectors due to its convex TFT screen. This material only comes in a clear finish. Sorry about that!
@@TheMissendenFlyer if I’m honest I don’t know 100%, when I worked on triumphs up until recently never got an answer why they did whir. When we did updates on them the noise would drive you crazy
Have you seen the limited edition Triumph Steve McQueen scrambler ? it looks rather good, and if they're pinning Steve McQueens name to it, then you can't get any cooler than that.
Really dont like tft screens. Tech is driving up bike prices and the screens cost a fortune to replace if they fail and they can fail from reviews iv seen. Not a Triumph hater I have a 800 tiger, pre tft screen !
I much prefer old school twin analog dials. It’s what a motorcycle should only have. Abs & traction as you say then get on & ride. If you want fancy dashes & electronics buy a car.
Oh my word what have I done? Just PX my Street triple R for a new Trident. Had a test ride and had a big smile, guess thats what its all about. Yep, liking the tft.
@@slakk5093 Depends what you want i guess. The Trident is much 'softer' is my best description. The STRS is an amazing bike and I've had a 17 & a 20 and enjoyed them both to the max. Time to calm down a little but still enjoy the triple but in a more relaxed way. Maybe it's a age thing...
I don't like the small cog icon next to the gear indicator on any of the Triumph displays. The cogs are small so it looks like "oN" or "o2" etc. But the Trident display in general is really well done.
I like the display on my Tiger 1200 and the joystick is easy and simple to use even wearing winter gloves. The display on Trident seems to want to cram at lot of info in very small space
I'm riding a ZX10-R (out of league here), but with my wife riding with me it was not that comfy :) So we just bought the Trident... I love it! FOr duo-balades it will be perfect, I love the gauge and its (very readable!) information, I love its look, it's really..... dunno how to tell, I just love that bike :) :) Thnks for your video!!
No. I can't support Triumph anymore. It's a bit heartbreaking. Look up all the issues plaguing many of their bikes (including the 2017 T120 Black I own - in hindsight - since shortly after purchasing it - regrettably), how they've handled those who support them (feel free to refer to Stuart Fillingham and others) and the behavior of many dealerships (at least in part influenced by Triumph).
I've never found Triumph dealers or service to be any better or worse than any other marque - think it largely depends on the quality of staff at your dealership rather than the marque they supply!
One big thing that bugs me with Triumph and was a factor in selling my Street Triple 675 is the ability to reset your own service intervals. Can you now do that? I do my own service and was pissed when I had to go to my dealer just to reset the wrench icon...Have they changed that?
There's only so much information I want when I'm riding and I've never felt the need for rider aids and different modes but then again I've never owned a bike with more than 120HP. Apart from speedo and rev counter I see a need for a clock and fuel level meter and maybe a gear indicator is sometimes useful but that's all I would ever want or need. If you need different modes for rain, track and road etc then you haven't mastered throttle control, not many people take high powered bikes out in the rain so I feel that mode is more of a 'safety net' for the inexperienced as is traction control. All the extra buttons and switches on the bars and options on the dash add another level of complexity which could actually be a little distracting, in my opinion less is more ! I assume that analogue gauges are far too expensive to make these days in comparison to digital gauges so we are unlikely to see them on bikes anymore but it was always the best looking setup for displaying the relevant info so digital gauges should be arranged in the same format, they also need to be less cluttered, square screens look terrible IMO.
Hey Andy yep bloopers get worse with age my friend ! totally agree I also think less is more and pretty soon you will need a load of laptop programs to do anything on your bike , it looks like they are going the way of cars with service lights that you have to get turned off by the dealer, So when you service your own bike unless you have the necessary program you can not turn the warning light off even when you may have sorted the problem . Sorry not for me and forget the Euro five stuff as well I am happy being a dinosaur cheers . : D
I like the bike and the TFT. just enough without going into info overload. You also don't need to look at it - bought one on Friday with a July/Aug delivery.
I don’t want to keep looking at function this and function that. I just want to ride. Useless load of nonsense for me I’m afraid. And the continuing noise is the conversation with the Mothership. My Sprint Gt does the same for around 20 seconds when I switch off.
The clicky buttons on the Trident do look better than the joystick on my Speed Triple, plus the Trident has an ignition KEY ! Your suggestion of twin round TFTs that can usually be analogue dials is pretty good, although I do like watching the physical needles on my Speed Twin. I think the TFT on my Speed Triple is fine, and suits the bike, but for retro looking bikes it really needs to be a pair of physical dials, with small LCD inserts, like the Speed Twin / Thruxton. I guess the small LCD bits on the Speed Twin/Thruxton could go TFT. When Triumph get their TFTs wrong, it's not so much the TFT, as it is the way they're displaying the information. Bars that expand out and look like a sound level meter from a 1980s Hi Fi. I have to agree, and because they're "retro-ish" the Rocket 3 and big Scrambler would have looked a whole lot better with the pair of clocks off the Speed Twin or Thruxton. The clocks on the Rocket and Scrambler do look a bit 1950s sci fi. With bluethooth phone connectivity and an app, a lot of detailed information and twiddling that TFTs are needed for could really be done on a phone screen, and keep the dash nice and clean. It's not like you can really look at over complicated TFT minute details when riding. All you need then is speed, revs, fuel level and a few warning lights. Not much consolation to Triumph, there are worse displays out there. Try the Honda CB inverted LCDs. Can't see them in bright sunlight. Although I do see Honda have fixed the 2021 CB1000R, with a TFT ! Finally I notice you're maximising making us watch to the end for the outtakes. As Denis Norden might have said "It'll be alright on the night !"
I guess it's horses for courses Mr Flyer. I agree that on some of the modern retro-style bikes, a set of clocks is more authentic than an full-on TFT display. That said, on my Tiger 1200 I really like the TFT, and the 'fiddliness' of the joystick only lasted a few weeks. Ultimately I think it's all about context - what works on some bikes feels odd on others, but for me, on an adventure/tourer, I agree with the way the manufacturers have gone in putting more and more into the TFT modules (the one on the BMW R1250RT is amazing).
Hey, don't like this kind of display at all. Keeping it simple on a beginner bike is probably the best thing. My street tripple (2019) i leave in 1 mode unless it's raining or I'm racing. 90% of the time I'm looking at the speed, not revs. I'd like a more tactile indicator switch for sure. Whilst the old switching was a bit of fiddling, in reality you only adjust it before you set off. Doubt anyone who reads this who has 8 modes of traction control and 5 power modes adjusts more than 1 or 2 of them regularly whilst riding. A good clear speedo, tachometer and gear indicator are the essential things.... the TFT display should be capable of both analogy or digital display types surly. About time the consumer gets better value from the purchase of a premium priced bike. Just saying......
I agree and I disagree (what a shocker!) I agree that TFTs are here to stay, they are a clear improvement over LCDs (like laser printers vs needle printers) but not as nice to look at as analogs. However - I think BMW have gone too far on some models (latest RT I believe) and they start looking like iPads. I am on my bike to ride, not to watch movies. I am honestly not impressed with the Trident. It reminds me a bit of a children's watch wanting to look adult - or a Chinese knock-off thingy ... As a rider, what do you really need to see? Do you need to see today's date - NO? Air Temperature - I think is a good one; necessary, no. Incoming messages - BIG NO. At start up you definitely need to know the status of things, but when riding, the more information there is on your screen the more it can (will?) distract you from the road ahead.
It's really good made looking bike , but even though I am not such a old dog , I don't like does electric dashes that some of em you just don't see really clear in a sun light or they just show too much useless information.We need to keep are eyes on the road not on the "TV" that they mostly put these days there in the middle of our handlebar. RPM,SPEED,FUEL,TEMP,VOLTS and Mileage (maybe and a clock soo you don't forget what time it is :) ) the rest is the advencher , you just don't need more than that !
I like the Trident and its TFT looks good. At the beginning you showed and mentioned the Street triple TFT but the one you showed is from the last model fitted to the R and RS. Only the RS now has a TFT and its changed from the last model and not in a good way. Its so bad its actually putting me off buying one. I really hope Triumph change this soon. I currently have a 390 Duke which has a good TFT and this is on a much cheaper bike. If KTM, Kawasaki and BMW can get it right why can't Triumph?
TFT screens are great provided they are in the BMW/KTM ball park from a function point of you.Switch gear/buttons also need to be in keeping with BMW/KTM functionality.Cheers.
Yeah absolutely one up for the analog dials and alternative indicators. No need for traction control or reverse gear indicator like on your Goldwing ;-) haha. ABS ok but riding modes...?!. There is, for me, a particular intuitive feeling about speedometers and tachometers. The rest all look like digital dinky toys.
I agree with you regarding this bikes’ TFT display. It looks great. On a philosophical point there is an argument for analogue as well as digital representation of data. My preference for engine RPM is analogue (speed tape or dial) and both for speed. Other variables such as gear, date, time, range, tank contents are probably best shown differently. However, a TFT screen really should allow the rider to get the display they really want, no matter how bizarre, just so long as there is a “back to standard” switch. My suggestion is therefore for manufacturers to sell a TFT toolkit to give third party developers the ability to create their own presentations for their customers’ displays. Then everyone is a winner. ps. I have been spoilt. Many years ago I flew Fokker 50s. On those Prop RPM, torque and N2 were shown both in sweep dial and digital form - perfection!
The only practical reason to connect your bike to a mobile device should be to set up the display to the riders own preference and maybe for GPS or tracking.
I agree Trevor - look at modern glass cockpit's - the primary flight displays tend to be digital representations of analogue displays (I'm thinking HSI/AI and airspeed/altitude "tapes").....
I am with you, simple clocks are best. It's like the 1970's when LED watches came out, manufacturers crammed everything into the display, now all back to analogue style electronically driven clear dials. Who wears a Casio watch calculator these days?
Many TFTs look a bit Mickey Mouse. I know there have been issues with Street Triple TFTs failing which is not so bad when the bike's under warranty but would cause me to think twice before buying second hand. I prefer a mix of analogue and TFT, a perfect example is the new Hayabusa.
It looks like two small tft areas in a large housing with glare, it might be a simple layout but if you compare to the full bmw equipment it is a very poor show. It’s not as well laid out or as clear as the Kawasaki tft’s in my opinion. Agree it’s better than the rockets, but apart from build quality as mine went wrong I liked the tiger800’s....but the joystick thing kept sticking...and in the end the 800 just had to many tiny failures.
Triumph have cracked it with this bike! It's the same response by the bike press as when the Street Twin was launched in 2008. Everyone gave it a deserved glowing report. Incidentally my street twin has the same noise. Not sure whether it's the fuel pump priming. The noise is always there when the ignition is on, but you can't hear it when you start the bike (or it's drowned out by the engine / exhaust). Either way, it runs fine and has had two services with Triumph with no issues reported by the technicians. In all fairness I forgot to mentioned it to the dealer when I dropped the bike off. Hope it's not a warranty claim waiting in the wings....
The TFT Absolutely naff , who did triumph get to design that ?? I’d say the council !! Also cost cutting on the clutch, cable not hydraulic... seen one here in Spain , very disappointing
Digitised analogue would look old. I really like what BMW have done.. it just needs a clever bunch of people and the development money to spend on iterating until you get it right. The cost vs volume of parts, is what drives this. BMW have spread out all the costs by fitting it on most of their bikes, with it minor variations.
What??!! That can't be right...I've ridden GS1250's with a Nav6 and the two have worked fine! Though it would be much better if a fully functioned SatNav was built into the bike and displayed on the TFT.....
I think you mean ‘digital’ when you said ‘TFT’ in the initial part of the clip vis-a-vis analog. TFT is only a variant of LCD that is much sharper in bright light conditions.
Uffda, the joystick alas is not a joy...a bit of dirt on an off road scrambler and it sticks like an egg to a tattered frying pan. I am getting used to the display but wish I could get an update for the lagging gear shift animation especially in night mode. I can do without the animation and just leave the gears ⚙️. It cool on the showroom floor but is there any other time you really watch it? I think it’s more important to watch where I am going and have the right gear displayed when I have been looking around for deer and such and forgot to memorize which gear I’m in. I have tried the other display configuration but found I am not as fond of it for some reason. I reckon it’s some piece of information I desire but apparently not as easy to digest when riding. That’s what happens in winter you get a chance to fall in love with your motorcycle again in the spring. I hope the snow, rain, and temperatures get to a point where it’s not a freeze your junk to the tank ordeal to get out riding again soon.
I have just bought a Triumph Street Triple R, one of the reasons I chose this over the RS was that l much preferred the analogue taco and LCD display on the R. I had a test ride on the RS and found the TFT hard to read, especially at speed. The rev counter that moves out either side on the speed was impossible to see in your peripheral vision. The analogue taco with shift lights on the R is much better. I agree that a TFT replicating an analogue display would be great.
Might the noise be the ABS pump? My Tiger 900GT does it too. Got a test ride on the Trident booked for when we're allowed to venture further afield - the Triumph dealer is out of my local area.
Thanks Mr Flyer, a very interesting point made. Personally (being more of a Dinosaur then even you) I think you only need a speedo and odometer, and I'm not sure about the speedo lol. :>)
I agree that this is a really nice piece of kit, I think you're a bit harsh on the one fitted to the Scrambler, which personally I quite like. What I don't like is having a huge rectangular screen akin to an iPad planted in front of me.
Nice to have all the info of TFT but you can't beat the looks of two nice white on black analogue clocks. What price the TFT on the latest BMWs when they pack up out of warranty?
I think less is more and they can be distracting. I’m with you why they can’t offer TFT with simulated analogue dials as they do in the car world is a mystery
I'm with you when it comes to TFTs and other electronic jiggery pokery. My current bike has ABS and that's all I need. It does make me laugh when some journos complain that their bike doesn't have phone connectivity etc... 😁
Phone connectivity is the work of the devil!
@@TheMissendenFlyer exactly. I want to ride the bike to get away from phonecalls and stuff
@@TheMissendenFlyer If you're on the phone in a car or on a bike who's doing the driving or riding?
@@simonchilli2088 Chilli burn.!
@@metalsco4798 Not when taken in moderation. So don't go mad on the naga or extra hot Levi Roots sauce.
Agree, best TFT's should mimic dual analog clocks as closely as possible :-)
I agree.
So pay more for a high tech screen that costs a hell of a lot to replace which mimics an analog clock?
I just bought a tiger with an analog clock and saved £100s because I guess people want the flash screen! Great !
@@kevinthompson9151 TFT is not better at all, they are cheap to build junk screens but if we must have them they should mimic what was already much better - analog clocks.
I have a original Street Triple 765 Rs. I think there was one time I switched over to the non analogue dial. Quickly switched it back. Big Rev counter in a circle and a big MPH. Looking at the new ST 765 dash. Yuk
Compared to the dials on the new Hyabusa which look great this looks like something from Poundland.
TFT's no thank you , the Z900RS has the best balance of real clocks and a screen
The Trident is growing on me. The looks, price, features... Gah... I want a bike warehouse/museum.
You want a "bike warehouse", along with 100% of all other bikers ! So yeah, me too !
Just wait, things are going to get a whole lot worse once manufacturers decide we all want TFTs with voice activated menus via a phone app.
Like keyless ignition they don’t care what we want (or not!) and we’re stuck with it.
I hate anything "connectivity" on a bike - I want to jump on and ride, not faff about with my phone just so the satnav will work....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Ha-ha! I have nightmares about riding with motovloggers. I always assume they do very low MPF (miles per faff) and huge FPM (faff per mile) what with all their electronicery etc to set up.
I very much disliked TFTs until I bought my KTM 890 Duke R, which has converted me. That said, this new Triumph jewelry is definitely nicer. Well done, Triumph! 🤗
I'd lay bets that noise is a fan for the LED headlights.
I think so too, a low quality fan at that.
Personally I prefer old fashioned analogue dials. They have.a more mechanical thing about them - the whole idea that your motorcycle is a piece of mechanical engineering that smells of oil and fuel as opposed to an electric computer game sort of appliance without character. But then I like the vintage smiths chronometric.speedos. When electric takes over, I'm out.
Yes I'm completely with you....have you seen the clocks I put on my Speed Twin? Perfect....
The reason why I walked out from buying this bike is the fact that's it's literally a one person city rider. You won't enjoy this bike for long rides. This is a second bike or a first bike for someone.
I love your outtakes 😊 digitised analogue would be great. Thank you Andy ✊
Glad you like them!
I'm all for a pair of round TFTs
Me too!
Triumph hit it out of the park with this motorcycle and the TFT is excellent! Keeping it simple sometimes is the best strategy!
I have to say, my first bike was a KTM 390 Duke and the TFT display on that was one of the main selling points for me. But I’ve since got myself a Benelli TRK502X and I do really enjoy the analog tachometer. I could take either option to be honest.
It would be nice to see a blog on your garage/workshop . It looks rather tidy ,I wish mine was like yours ( so does y wife) . Mal in Australia
It cracks me up the number of people that ask for a "tour" - it would take all of 15 seconds!!
@@TheMissendenFlyer Maybe best if you don't actually. Bikes can't be taken over/under that Gate guardian but kit can!
I would also love to see how things are organized, especially helmets and clothing. (My garage is a mess and I really don’t like it.)
ban the missus from your man cave, job done !
That's cheap junk
I’m still not sold on tft displays. Whilst agree it gets a lot more information on the display i wonder why you need all that information while riding. Personally I find cycling through things like riding modes and turn by turn displays are at best distracting and at worst detract from the riding experience. Can’t we just connect to an app to get that information, and just rely on a simple elegant display while riding
Hey Andy my street triple '19 makes the same noise. I asked the mechanic at my local dealership about it and they said it's a pump for fuel recycling.
FYI If you activate the kill switch the sound will stop.
No it's not the fuel pump priming noise, mine does that too, this was after the priming stops there's a constant back ground noise......
@@TheMissendenFlyer I wasn't referring to the priming pump. That stops on mine too.
Motobob said this too - he's bought a Trident
It maybe just me but the TFT looks a little on the small side to me.
It’s just you!
I would LOVE a Tiger 900 Rallye Pro but the only thing putting me off (if we can set aside the fact I can't afford one atm!) is the TFT display. That Rev counter element is terrible. BMW have it sussed on the GS. I still reckon the BEST TFT around atm is the new Indian one! It's small and round, like the new Triumph one but is also touch screen (with gloves!). Uses large icons and just looks very nice and functional. Keep up the great work Andy!
My Street Scrambler does the exact same whine when the key is On, still not sure what that's about.
I had a 2018 big tiger, which I liked (except for the weight), I did not upgrade to the latest model because of the toy-town TFT and the crappy joystick. I´m now on a 2021 GSA and I don´t think I´ll go back to Triumph again, unfortunately.
Agree brother.. BMW TFT's are the best... but I hate them anyway..would be good to be able to select.. tft or not!!!!!
The Trident TFT is just okay, which makes it a big improvement over its predecessors. Triumph should start with a BMW TFT and a Kawasaki Z650 TFT and pretty much copy them. A round shape works well on analog instruments but just looks strange on an MFD. All I want on my color TFT is large clear speed and rpm, with smaller gear indicator and fuel gauge in the corners, and a couple of warning lights. That's all. Nothing more.
Like you, I too dislike electronics on bikes.
IMHO, all electronics, rider modes, TFT's etc, even fuel gauges, can be summed up in just one word.......unnecessary.
Interesting assessment Andy, not sure I like TFT's at all but who cares what I think, I don't ride anymore! FYI I had sound issues with the right hand channel cutting in and out while you were showing the close ups of the TFT around 2.02 -2.35. Possibly a mic blockage or something?
That TFT is worse than an LCD made in 2006 and worse than even analog clocks. So much wasted space in an already small circumference. The tach and speedo displays are laughably tiny. And who really needs to see the current date?
All I want to see at one glance is RPMs, speed, gear, coolant temp, and either fuel level, distance to empty or trip counter. This needs to be visible without having to switch between screens, multiple times at that. The way it is on the Trident is so annoying, it seems it was designed by someone who's never ridden a motorcycle before.
Why not integrate the idiot lights in a bigger TFT display, and one that doesn't require constant switching to get all the info I'm getting now on my 2006 bike? Either make it look analog or fully digital. Doing it both ways just looks cheap.
How about having the brightness auto adjust as any cheap cell phone screen has been capable of for many years? The last thing I want to do is to have to adjust the brightness constantly. Design it so the display can be read well in all lighting conditions. Otherwise you might as well go back to analog clocks like on the Twins.
How about emulating some classic analog clocks that can be changed, similar to what's possible on the Tiger 900?
Sorry, don't like the circular TFT. The one I like best is on the Kawasaki Ninja 650. Thank you for another good video Sir.........Sal : )
I always enjoy hearing your views on things! I actually like the display on the big scramblers, for whatever reason.
Well someone must like them!!
Not a fan of technology for technologies sake , what for instance would happen if that TFT went wrong out of warranty ? how much would it cost for a new one or get the old one repaired ? its not just a case of ordering a speedo cable from WEMOTO and that's it sorted is it . Remember when there was a horsepower war between manufacturers , R1s V GSXRs V ZX10s ect well this is the same thing but with tech , nobody really needs it , legally all you need is a speedo that works LOL I can see in the future there will be conversion kits back to analogue clocks for bikes like this . be interesting to see what happens down the road , maybe it would be interesting to ask the question to Triumph or BMW ect what would be the cost of replacement of a TFT in the event of a crash . Nowt wrong with a nice clock face , they've been around for hundreds of years , nice review Andy as always , this grumpy old git has had his rant , I'll get me coat LOL
My brother's Bonny and Tiger, neither would work with BT. Both of us hated the Tiger9 TFT. As for hissing Sid, open the fuel cap, then turn the bike on... I'm thinking tank pressuring.
At 2:20 you mention TFT's biggest downside; Reflections !!!!
If manufacturers insist on fitting these things then they should at least make their angle of tilt adjustable and provide surrounds that act as sunshades.
With the traditional twin-dial displays you just have to glance at them to see your speed and revs as opposed to the TFT where you actively have to read (decipher) the information.
As with many of the new "must haves" on bikes it is more often style over substance.
My vfr 1200 has a strange whining noise once you hit 3 figures, but only when the Mrs is on the back .
Feels like the new Hayabusa really nailed it, though I haven't seen it in real life yet. Mostly analogue gauges with a small screen in the middle and few buttons on the handlebar.
Completely agree....my GoldWing has a similar approach - it works!
The dash on that looks awesome.
I haven’t seen the Trident in person, but I do have to say I’m not a fan of the faux gauge with a tft fitted in. If it’s going to be a tft, the square style of my speed triple, or my R1250 just looks right to me.
I’ve have become accustomed to the joystick on the speed triple, and quite like it, other than the fact it’s a bit close to, and can be confused for the turn signal with gloves on.
I thank you are completely right. What I’d like to see is the mix of the two. The physical speed/tacho needle and digital background. But this would be expensive.
Just please, next time dont use gopro with this ridiculus wide angle for TFT review, you see no details, instead 80% of screen is your garage. Just use iphone camera and you up your game big time. Thanks!
Can you change between M/H & K/H for when you are travelling abroad, not just Triumph's also BMW's and other makes.
My only gripe with the Trident is that you can enter your name on the display and it should come on with the welcome screen when you switch on the ignition (according to my owners handbook) but it doesn’t and the dealer asked triumph and were told it doesn’t work on the trident….. so what’s the point??!!!! However, that’s a tiny gripe and the bike is just amazing I love mine
Wow - a fuel gauge! They really are coming along!
someone tell Ducati to put one on the Streetfighter V4 !
I have a Z900RS SE, and I think the mix of dials and digital for that bike is perfect... but I do like what Triumph did with the Trident.
I passed my bike test on a BMW60/6, it had two dials, and a big bag of cement in the sidecar. I can't figure all these TFS, it's distracting nonsense.
My 1200 scrambler also make that orid noise , throttle bodies buzzing ? but i discovered if i have the kill switch pushed in ,no noise .
Agree retro speedo pods with tft old school looks gauges ,is a no brainer ,but i do like my scrambler set up ,and in night mode it looks retro and cooler ,me thinks .
We would love to make an anti-glare screen protector for the Trident 660 to help with those reflections - however, we have to use a special material for our Trident screen protectors due to its convex TFT screen. This material only comes in a clear finish. Sorry about that!
That whirring noise is the Throttle Bodies btw, how you didn’t notice it on the rest of the bonneville range I don’t know 😂
I shall pay closer attention...what are they doing whilst the engine isn't running then??
@@TheMissendenFlyer I suspect it is the fuel pump - hit the kill swich and it should stop.
@@MrRichardCass it’s definitely the throttle bodies, I can guarantee it
@@TheMissendenFlyer if I’m honest I don’t know 100%, when I worked on triumphs up until recently never got an answer why they did whir. When we did updates on them the noise would drive you crazy
You're right, it is the throttle bodies. if it were the pump it would prime and then stop. It is weird though :-)
Have you seen the limited edition Triumph Steve McQueen scrambler ? it looks rather good, and if they're pinning Steve McQueens name to it, then you can't get any cooler than that.
Really dont like tft screens. Tech is driving up bike prices and the screens cost a fortune to replace if they fail and they can fail from reviews iv seen. Not a Triumph hater I have a 800 tiger, pre tft screen !
I much prefer old school twin analog dials. It’s what a motorcycle should only have. Abs & traction as you say then get on & ride. If you want fancy dashes & electronics buy a car.
Oh my word what have I done? Just PX my Street triple R for a new Trident. Had a test ride and had a big smile, guess thats what its all about.
Yep, liking the tft.
Me too - are we setting a trend? :-)
That sounds crazy to me.. STR anyday.. but then I haven't tried a Trident yet 😉
@@ct900965m love my STR but the Trident was so easy and fun to ride.
@@ct900965m thats reassuring 🤣 lets hope we made the right choice.
@@slakk5093 Depends what you want i guess. The Trident is much 'softer' is my best description. The STRS is an amazing bike and I've had a 17 & a 20 and enjoyed them both to the max. Time to calm down a little but still enjoy the triple but in a more relaxed way. Maybe it's a age thing...
I don't like the small cog icon next to the gear indicator on any of the Triumph displays. The cogs are small so it looks like "oN" or "o2" etc. But the Trident display in general is really well done.
I like the display on my Tiger 1200 and the joystick is easy and simple to use even wearing winter gloves. The display on Trident seems to want to cram at lot of info in very small space
I'm riding a ZX10-R (out of league here), but with my wife riding with me it was not that comfy :) So we just bought the Trident... I love it! FOr duo-balades it will be perfect, I love the gauge and its (very readable!) information, I love its look, it's really..... dunno how to tell, I just love that bike :) :) Thnks for your video!!
My pleasure - thabks for watching and for stopping by....
No. I can't support Triumph anymore. It's a bit heartbreaking.
Look up all the issues plaguing many of their bikes (including the 2017 T120 Black I own - in hindsight - since shortly after purchasing it - regrettably), how they've handled those who support them (feel free to refer to Stuart Fillingham and others) and the behavior of many dealerships (at least in part influenced by Triumph).
I've never found Triumph dealers or service to be any better or worse than any other marque - think it largely depends on the quality of staff at your dealership rather than the marque they supply!
BMW does seem like an unfair comparison as they can lean on the car division for pointers.
I think the new Hayabusa has the best dash analogue gauges with TFT in middle awesome. 👍
I agree, it does look a great combo
I think Triumph have hit the sweet spot. It's not a retro bike so perhaps not twin dials, and it's not a sports bike with a full digital display.
Sorry, Analogue if available. #oldschool and hate the "block type" fuel gauges
One big thing that bugs me with Triumph and was a factor in selling my Street Triple 675 is the ability to reset your own service intervals. Can you now do that? I do my own service and was pissed when I had to go to my dealer just to reset the wrench icon...Have they changed that?
I don’t know, but I agree it is annoying - and not just triumphs that do this...
I think this display looks great but clearly doesn't fit in with the retro bikes that Triumph mostly make
A lot better on this than the 900 Tiger which is to fussy Andy. Good review as normal.
i think it helps BMW have been putting them in cars for years. glad triumph has started getting this right now.
There's only so much information I want when I'm riding and I've never felt the need for rider aids and different modes but then again I've never owned a bike with more than 120HP.
Apart from speedo and rev counter I see a need for a clock and fuel level meter and maybe a gear indicator is sometimes useful but that's all I would ever want or need. If you need different modes for rain, track and road etc then you haven't mastered throttle control, not many people take high powered bikes out in the rain so I feel that mode is more of a 'safety net' for the inexperienced as is traction control.
All the extra buttons and switches on the bars and options on the dash add another level of complexity which could actually be a little distracting, in my opinion less is more !
I assume that analogue gauges are far too expensive to make these days in comparison to digital gauges so we are unlikely to see them on bikes anymore but it was always the best looking setup for displaying the relevant info so digital gauges should be arranged in the same format, they also need to be less cluttered, square screens look terrible IMO.
You're pushing on an open door here Ian!
Isn't the noise the LED headlight fan ? I have the same on another bike aftermarket LED bulb
Agree bring back the speedo and tacho in electronic form if needs be, we are being consumed by gadgetry!
100% Agreed! ... love the colour of that bike!! :)
Hey Andy yep bloopers get worse with age my friend ! totally agree I also think less is more and pretty soon you will need a load of laptop programs to do anything on your bike , it looks like they are going the way of cars with service lights that you have to get turned off by the dealer, So when you service your own bike unless you have the necessary program you can not turn the warning light off even when you may have sorted the problem . Sorry not for me and forget the Euro five stuff as well I am happy being a dinosaur cheers . : D
Yes I already have that "service light" issue on several of my bikes, very annoying, especially when dealers forget to reset them!
Your idea aligns with mine. Much better than these random looking screens. 👍
I like the bike and the TFT. just enough without going into info overload. You also don't need to look at it - bought one on Friday with a July/Aug delivery.
Agreed, still running mine in ,as many testers say the suspension is a bit harsh.hard. Thats a bit of a wait .
I don’t want to keep looking at function this and function that. I just want to ride. Useless load of nonsense for me I’m afraid. And the continuing noise is the conversation with the Mothership. My Sprint Gt does the same for around 20 seconds when I switch off.
Kwak 1000SX does the same after turn off.
I couldn't agree more.
The clicky buttons on the Trident do look better than the joystick on my Speed Triple, plus the Trident has an ignition KEY !
Your suggestion of twin round TFTs that can usually be analogue dials is pretty good, although I do like watching the physical needles on my Speed Twin.
I think the TFT on my Speed Triple is fine, and suits the bike, but for retro looking bikes it really needs to be a pair of physical dials, with small LCD inserts, like the Speed Twin / Thruxton. I guess the small LCD bits on the Speed Twin/Thruxton could go TFT.
When Triumph get their TFTs wrong, it's not so much the TFT, as it is the way they're displaying the information. Bars that expand out and look like a sound level meter from a 1980s Hi Fi.
I have to agree, and because they're "retro-ish" the Rocket 3 and big Scrambler would have looked a whole lot better with the pair of clocks off the Speed Twin or Thruxton.
The clocks on the Rocket and Scrambler do look a bit 1950s sci fi.
With bluethooth phone connectivity and an app, a lot of detailed information and twiddling that TFTs are needed for could really be done on a phone screen, and keep the dash nice and clean. It's not like you can really look at over complicated TFT minute details when riding. All you need then is speed, revs, fuel level and a few warning lights.
Not much consolation to Triumph, there are worse displays out there. Try the Honda CB inverted LCDs. Can't see them in bright sunlight. Although I do see Honda have fixed the 2021 CB1000R, with a TFT !
Finally I notice you're maximising making us watch to the end for the outtakes. As Denis Norden might have said "It'll be alright on the night !"
Thanks for watching to the bitter end!
You forgot about the large gear indicator setting. You have to turn it on. I have the same bike
I guess it's horses for courses Mr Flyer. I agree that on some of the modern retro-style bikes, a set of clocks is more authentic than an full-on TFT display. That said, on my Tiger 1200 I really like the TFT, and the 'fiddliness' of the joystick only lasted a few weeks.
Ultimately I think it's all about context - what works on some bikes feels odd on others, but for me, on an adventure/tourer, I agree with the way the manufacturers have gone in putting more and more into the TFT modules (the one on the BMW R1250RT is amazing).
Yes that RT display does look amazing....
Hey, don't like this kind of display at all. Keeping it simple on a beginner bike is probably the best thing. My street tripple (2019) i leave in 1 mode unless it's raining or I'm racing. 90% of the time I'm looking at the speed, not revs. I'd like a more tactile indicator switch for sure. Whilst the old switching was a bit of fiddling, in reality you only adjust it before you set off. Doubt anyone who reads this who has 8 modes of traction control and 5 power modes adjusts more than 1 or 2 of them regularly whilst riding. A good clear speedo, tachometer and gear indicator are the essential things.... the TFT display should be capable of both analogy or digital display types surly. About time the consumer gets better value from the purchase of a premium priced bike. Just saying......
Fair enough Joe....
I agree and I disagree (what a shocker!) I agree that TFTs are here to stay, they are a clear improvement over LCDs (like laser printers vs needle printers) but not as nice to look at as analogs.
However - I think BMW have gone too far on some models (latest RT I believe) and they start looking like iPads. I am on my bike to ride, not to watch movies. I am honestly not impressed with the Trident. It reminds me a bit of a children's watch wanting to look adult - or a Chinese knock-off thingy ...
As a rider, what do you really need to see? Do you need to see today's date - NO? Air Temperature - I think is a good one; necessary, no. Incoming messages - BIG NO.
At start up you definitely need to know the status of things, but when riding, the more information there is on your screen the more it can (will?) distract you from the road ahead.
I tend to agree Nick - but accept I'm "old school" - give me twin dials any day - happy if there's some TFT/LCD info in there too.....
It's really good made looking bike , but even though I am not such a old dog , I don't like does electric dashes that some of em you just don't see really clear in a sun light or they just show too much useless information.We need to keep are eyes on the road not on the "TV" that they mostly put these days there in the middle of our handlebar. RPM,SPEED,FUEL,TEMP,VOLTS and Mileage (maybe and a clock soo you don't forget what time it is :) ) the rest is the advencher , you just don't need more than that !
I agree with you.....
I like the Trident and its TFT looks good. At the beginning you showed and mentioned the Street triple TFT but the one you showed is from the last model fitted to the R and RS. Only the RS now has a TFT and its changed from the last model and not in a good way. Its so bad its actually putting me off buying one. I really hope Triumph change this soon. I currently have a 390 Duke which has a good TFT and this is on a much cheaper bike. If KTM, Kawasaki and BMW can get it right why can't Triumph?
Good question!
TFTs can become a little impersonal compared to the old analog versions.
TFT screens are great provided they are in the BMW/KTM ball park from a function point of you.Switch gear/buttons also need to be in keeping with BMW/KTM functionality.Cheers.
Agreed - can't beat the BMW whizz wheel
Yeah absolutely one up for the analog dials and alternative indicators. No need for traction control or reverse gear indicator like on your Goldwing ;-) haha. ABS ok but riding modes...?!. There is, for me, a particular intuitive feeling about speedometers and tachometers. The rest all look like digital dinky toys.
Totally agree
I agree with you regarding this bikes’ TFT display. It looks great. On a philosophical point there is an argument for analogue as well as digital representation of data. My preference for engine RPM is analogue (speed tape or dial) and both for speed. Other variables such as gear, date, time, range, tank contents are probably best shown differently. However, a TFT screen really should allow the rider to get the display they really want, no matter how bizarre, just so long as there is a “back to standard” switch. My suggestion is therefore for manufacturers to sell a TFT toolkit to give third party developers the ability to create their own presentations for their customers’ displays. Then everyone is a winner.
ps. I have been spoilt. Many years ago I flew Fokker 50s. On those Prop RPM, torque and N2 were shown both in sweep dial and digital form - perfection!
The only practical reason to connect your bike to a mobile device should be to set up the display to the riders own preference and maybe for GPS or tracking.
I agree Trevor - look at modern glass cockpit's - the primary flight displays tend to be digital representations of analogue displays (I'm thinking HSI/AI and airspeed/altitude "tapes").....
I am with you, simple clocks are best. It's like the 1970's when LED watches came out, manufacturers crammed everything into the display, now all back to analogue style electronically driven clear dials. Who wears a Casio watch calculator these days?
Good point! Although I do have an Apple Watch as my day to day timepiece....
Many TFTs look a bit Mickey Mouse. I know there have been issues with Street Triple TFTs failing which is not so bad when the bike's under warranty but would cause me to think twice before buying second hand. I prefer a mix of analogue and TFT, a perfect example is the new Hayabusa.
Agreed....
It looks like two small tft areas in a large housing with glare, it might be a simple layout but if you compare to the full bmw equipment it is a very poor show. It’s not as well laid out or as clear as the Kawasaki tft’s in my opinion. Agree it’s better than the rockets, but apart from build quality as mine went wrong I liked the tiger800’s....but the joystick thing kept sticking...and in the end the 800 just had to many tiny failures.
Sorry to hear that!
Triumph have cracked it with this bike! It's the same response by the bike press as when the Street Twin was launched in 2008. Everyone gave it a deserved glowing report.
Incidentally my street twin has the same noise. Not sure whether it's the fuel pump priming. The noise is always there when the ignition is on, but you can't hear it when you start the bike (or it's drowned out by the engine / exhaust). Either way, it runs fine and has had two services with Triumph with no issues reported by the technicians. In all fairness I forgot to mentioned it to the dealer when I dropped the bike off. Hope it's not a warranty claim waiting in the wings....
I'm sure that noise is normal, just not heard it on other bikes to that degree....
The TFT Absolutely naff , who did triumph get to design that ?? I’d say the council !!
Also cost cutting on the clutch, cable not hydraulic... seen one here in Spain , very disappointing
I love it!
It's a combination of LCD and TFT. Not 100% TFT
Digitised analogue would look old. I really like what BMW have done.. it just needs a clever bunch of people and the development money to spend on iterating until you get it right. The cost vs volume of parts, is what drives this. BMW have spread out all the costs by fitting it on most of their bikes, with it minor variations.
Yes indeed....
🏴I have a gsa its not without its faults you cant use the TFT with the nav 6 its one or the other bmw will not admit this👍
What??!! That can't be right...I've ridden GS1250's with a Nav6 and the two have worked fine! Though it would be much better if a fully functioned SatNav was built into the bike and displayed on the TFT.....
I think you mean ‘digital’ when you said ‘TFT’ in the initial part of the clip vis-a-vis analog. TFT is only a variant of LCD that is much sharper in bright light conditions.
Indeed I did...
Uffda, the joystick alas is not a joy...a bit of dirt on an off road scrambler and it sticks like an egg to a tattered frying pan. I am getting used to the display but wish I could get an update for the lagging gear shift animation especially in night mode. I can do without the animation and just leave the gears ⚙️. It cool on the showroom floor but is there any other time you really watch it? I think it’s more important to watch where I am going and have the right gear displayed when I have been looking around for deer and such and forgot to memorize which gear I’m in. I have tried the other display configuration but found I am not as fond of it for some reason. I reckon it’s some piece of information I desire but apparently not as easy to digest when riding. That’s what happens in winter you get a chance to fall in love with your motorcycle again in the spring. I hope the snow, rain, and temperatures get to a point where it’s not a freeze your junk to the tank ordeal to get out riding again soon.
Good luck Tony - roll on summer!
I have just bought a Triumph Street Triple R, one of the reasons I chose this over the RS was that l much preferred the analogue taco and LCD display on the R. I had a test ride on the RS and found the TFT hard to read, especially at speed. The rev counter that moves out either side on the speed was impossible to see in your peripheral vision. The analogue taco with shift lights on the R is much better. I agree that a TFT replicating an analogue display would be great.
I agree Edward - a great reason to get the R over an RS......similar to the display on my old 2012 "R" which is perfectly functional.....
My concern is the digits may become too small to see with "aging" eyes.
Might the noise be the ABS pump? My Tiger 900GT does it too. Got a test ride on the Trident booked for when we're allowed to venture further afield - the Triumph dealer is out of my local area.
Current thinking is either the throttle bodies or a cooling fan for the LED lights....
Thanks Mr Flyer, a very interesting point made. Personally (being more of a Dinosaur then even you) I think you only need a speedo and odometer, and I'm not sure about the speedo lol. :>)
Nice one!
'the naughties'. Totally missed the rest of the video.
Yes but does the fuel gauge register straight away...LOL
I agree that this is a really nice piece of kit, I think you're a bit harsh on the one fitted to the Scrambler, which personally I quite like. What I don't like is having a huge rectangular screen akin to an iPad planted in front of me.
Yeah I'm not a fan on a retro styled bike for sure....
Completely agree, Andy, less is more and prefer dual dials...one of the reasons I bought a leftover STR with the same setup as yours. Cheers!
Good call!
Nice to have all the info of TFT but you can't beat the looks of two nice white on black analogue clocks. What price the TFT on the latest BMWs when they pack up out of warranty?
Agreed!