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Hey man I've been watching your videos and I've noticed you're in ohio, what part if I may ask? I'm a new rider and itd be sick if we could ride together
This cars are designed to be able to tow, they are engineered, including the suspension, to handle much heavier loads then a motorcycle, you dont even know what you are talking about. If your car can not tow a trailer then yes this are bad idea, but if they can, then just check your specs
Use your head? Like head porterage? Otherwise known as Head Loading? Which is a very common way of transporting goods in developing countries. They've been doing it for millennia. I've even seen videos of them doing so with motorcycles! Haha!
Same. His reasoning is kinda dumb too, is his fold up trailer not connected to that same hitch that he’d put a hitch carrier in. I love the hitch carrier best investment for bikes.
agree with all these comments, he's not really thinking it through. I'm only going to carry my crf 250l and no I would want to put a harley davidson full bagger on there, lol.
@@markpowersports1278 It's connected to the same hitch, but obviously trailer have wheels so it's only leaning on your hitch. You're only puling trailer, so a small part of weight is resting on your car, rest in on its own wheels. With a carrier all weight of bike and carrier is resting on your car and don't forget how leaver works, because it's not helping.
A foldaway trailer would be nice. But the one you have linked in your discription is literally 10x the price of a hitch mounted carrier. Also if your issue is with rust, then it's the SAME ISSUE for both trailer and hitch mounted carrier.
not really, the trailer has two wheels to hold the load of the bike, a hitch trailer is basically 200 odd kilos dangling off the back of your frame, i'd feel significantly safer with a rusty trailer hitch PULLING a trailer than CARRYING 200 KILOS
None of this makes sense. Stop giving advice when you don’t know what you are talking about. A hitch carrier is fine. Your reason that a hitch could fall out makes no sense. Then how does anyone tow anything? You have to make sure your vehicle is rated for that tongue weight and you are good to go. I carry my bike on a hitch carrier with no problem off road. Super easy to load too
@@mattburk460 To be fair a motorcycle trailer will not put as much weight on the hitch, but a proper class of hitch can more than carry a motorcycle. the Class V hitch on my truck is rated for 5k lbs of tongue weight.
@@BrandonLeonSD this was 3 weeks ago...but if I remember the video correctly he is talking about rust weakening the hitch. So it doesn't matter what your towing in any manner. I rusted off hitch is a rusted off hitch.
The same problems you have with rusty frames being used for a hitch carrier also would apply to that same hitch hauling your motorcycle trailer. An unsafe hitch is dangerous no matter what it is loaded on it, carrier or trailer. Now ease of loading? Yes, trailers have that covered. But now we have the front wheel carriers that lift the front wheel of a bike and make it the trailer. Only a portion of the bike's weight is on the tow vehicle. It's secured in place, and is very stable if attached to the carrier correctly. It's a one person job and when you're done, remove it from the receiver and toss on a shelf. A very affordable and portable solution as an option to consider.
While I think his argument is rather silly, you have to be pretty dense to think a trailer puts equivalent stress to a hitch carrier. With a 65lb hitch carrier and a 350 lb bike, you're looking at probably 450-500lbs of tongue weight (due to the leverage, the hitch carrier acts like a lever with a weight on it). With his trailer, which probably weighs about 350 lbs, holding that same 350lb bike, you're probably looking at 100-200 lbs of tongue weight. Maybe even less. They're just not equivalent.
@@dangerdanadv1445 true but even a class 2 receiver is rated for more 350lbs. Class 3 and above is fine. On my ton truck the hitch is rated for several thousand pounds of tongue weight.
Been using a hitch carrier for years for my dirt bikes. Some places we end up its easier to have a carrier than a trailer. Even over rough terrain my bike does not move. Use 4 straps and a fork brace. If your vehicle is so rusty you dont trust a hitch carrier, then its too rusty for a trailer too.
I mean. I can come up with 30 different "what ifs" to any trailer if you want. What about the salt under the trailer you have? How is that any different, what if it gets a flat, or 2 flats, or rusts and weakens. Idk
I've been using a hitch carrier and I love it, works great for me. I live in an area with no salt on roads though and my SUV can carry plenty tongue weight. Never had any problem loading my bikes on one, you gotto strap down the bikes well so they don't move. And as any equipment gotto make sure it is in good condition and maintain it properly.
I have used a hitch carrier for 11 years now. Traveled over four different states, back roads, rain/shine, etc. Far better that hauling/pulling a trailer. I installed tail lights on the bottom and just plug them in just like you would with a trailer. If you have a vehicle in poor condition you shouldn't be hauling or pulling anything.
It all depends on what your hitch tongue weight is rated for. My hitch is rated for 1500 lbs. of tongue weight. My bike and carrier totals about 600 lbs. Well under the rated 1500 lbs. Half ton trucks are often rated for 500-750 which works for a dirt bike.
It’s about ur cars rated tongue weight, not the hitch itself. Hitch bolts onto your frame, engineers decided what the max tongue weight is. U have 300lbs on it but u go over a bump and that turns into a lot more weight. This guy is totally right
Do you have any empirical evidence that hitch carriers have fallen off due to a rusty frame? I guess it's possible if you mount it to a rust-bucket, but I've never heard of it happening.
This guy missed the biggest reason against a hitch mount motorcycle carrier which is torque multiplication. Normal hitches do not extend very far. A motorcycle carrier is further out from the vehicle mount point causing more rotational torque to be applied to the hitch. Example: A regular ball hitch that sticks out about 1ft is rated for 500lbs. (I know 1 foot is a bit much, but it makes math easy) If a motorcycle carrier is 1ft further out, the weight of the bike is doubled. So a 400lb bike would apply 800lbs to the hitch.
I agree.... But 2k for a fold up trailer i can only use for my bike. I think for that price I'd get ramps for getting it into my truck or by a small enclosed trailer i could get multiple uses out of. Good video... but for a small trailer like yours 2k is way to high. I mean its a cool lil trailer i like the compact ability for storage but not that much... 😆
If you think 2k is high, my trailer is actually a Kendon trailer knock-off, the same trailer made by Kendon costs $3200 new!! The reason people like me get a fold-up trailer is because it takes up little space and can be stored in the garage. It's a pita to have a big enclosed trailer sitting in the driveway and most HOA's don't allow them (mine does not).
@@CycleCruza his point was that you can get a trailer, even a fold-up trailer, for less than $1,000 And one that can be used for more than just hauling a motorcycle
@CycleCruza like you said about storage and I'll add tags and stickers and insurance. all that hassle I'll just rent. plus I for one dont need a trailer but maybe once a year like most. If I had to haul some bike around, a van is the best way to haul some bikes.
As an Engineer: You sound drunk or ridiculous. As a Regular Dude, I'm with you all the way. This video grabbed me because I actually was doing some Chemistry one time and ended up with a leftover bag of Road Salts that had a bunch of Calcium Acetate and was for Canadian Roads and I left it in the back of an un-used F150 for about one year. When I checked on it the entire bed of the interior was nothing but rust. The Fuel Tank turned to shit and I had to replace it with a layer of rust on the entire exterior of the Frame from front to back. Not cool for your eyes if you catch my meaning. Excellent review and opinion and nice scenery too. Peace Sizzlean
CC man, the extra weight is a non issue. The tongue weight of a hitch carrier with a bike on it is no more than carrying a 4-5k trailer load. Trucks are literally designed to do double or even triple that.
The Curt class 3 hitch I installed on my SUV is only rated 350 lbs for the tongue weight. Also, I could not even install one of the hitch bolts to the frame because the thread on the frame had rusted through. Your hitch strength is only as good as the mounting on your frame and the integrity of your frame. A hitch is simply attached to your frame with bolts. No way in hell I would trust a hitch carrier on vehicles up north where salt is put on the road in the winter. Also, I know a few dudes who had their back window busted out from the handlebar slamming on the back window.
CycleCruza The window thing for sure. I just meant, the weight is no problem if you have a real truck. If you were planning on using a hitch carrier, you wouldn’t get a class 3 hitch. They sometimes don’t make class 4s for smaller vehicles like suvs or perhaps your BO van, but again if you have a truck, it’s not really an issue. As for the rust tho, I mean I’ll still carry a 5k trailer with a truck with some rust on it, so long as its not structural, which would be some serious rust. But maybe that’s just me 🤷♀️
@@shielasimpleton7346 Like I said, your hitch is only as good as the connection to the frame and the integrity of the frame, no matter what tongue rating the hitch is.
"Most" bikes are under 600 pounds wet and "most" of the big 3 brand pickups have a tongue rating at or over 1k lbs. Not an issue unless you're moving a full dressed HD. P.S. I have a '17 chevy 1500 moved an fz09 many times no issues at all. Also moved a 2006 Vmax 4 times about 100mi round trip each time. Never had an issue.
Is your vehicle rated for the tongue weight? Is your hitch carrier rated for the weight of your bike? Yes and yes? Use the hitch carrier. This dude has no idea what he's talking about.
If you have a vehicle is so badley rusted that a hitch carrier will damage it when loaded, your vehicle is not road-worthy in the first place and adding a motorcycle carrier to it is the least of your problems!
I live in Ohio, and I've not had a rust issue. I spray Fluid Film twice a year on my undercarriage and frame, and wash off my chassis once a week during winter. If you have a problem with rust, a trailer is going to be just as dicey as a hitch carrier.
1:00. These are NOT meant for bikes above 250 pounds. MOST of those type of hitches that carry the full load of the bike ( as in not one of the tires is touching t he street while you're driving unlike my one wheeled hitch for the front wheel), will clearly state a max weight limit of 250 pounds or less...thus they are most often for DIRT bikes
I think for dirt bikes or scooters it’s fine and I know hundreds of dirt bike riders that use the hitch Mount carriers with years of trouble free and they use them almost every weekend, I would not haul a street bike though
You should see the stress demands travel trailers place on hitches. They are designed for that and with a safety factor. My Suburban 2500 has 900# on the hitch when my 33' trailer is connected. I would trust it with 450# without a weight distribution hitch. I don't know that I would try to get a sport bike all the way up to the hitch, but a little dual-sport would be doable.
I have one for my E-scooter just a secondary vehicle so I don’t have to take a shuttle to my construction site. Some job sites require me to park maybe 1-2 miles away and shuttle with other trades I’d rather ignore the wait time and have another means to travel from parking to site
I've used my hitch hauler on my dodge charger with absolutely no issues for thousands of miles. I've hauled just about every type of dirt bike you can think of, biggest one being my Honda XR600R with no issues at all. This guy has apparently never used one and is knocking it without even having any real experience.
I think there's a huge oversight on your part. If you can tow a trailer you can tow a bike carrier on the back. There's no way a whole trailer is less stressful than a carrier.
A bike carrier is no problem as long as you stay within TW rating. No different from towing a trailer. I've hauled my bike thousands of miles with the bike hauler (in Ohio) with no problems.
Weight that is placed on the hitch stresses the hitch much more than towing. The hitch is bolted up onto the frame and a hitch carrier with a bike is putting down force on the bolts as where a trailer pulls away not down, much less stress when towing (reason you can tow much more weight!) Your hitch is only as strong as the mounting to the frame. One of my hitch bolts could not even be installed because the frame bolt hole threads were rusted through. You are playing with fire if you live in ohio and drive on salted roads in the winter. My Curt class 3 hitch is starting rust and I've had it for only a couple years. I had to replace the original hitch ball with a stainless steel hitch ball because the original ball had rusted bad. You must not live in Ohio. lol You just drove thru ohio only? If you lived here you would know this is called the rust belt for a reason. lol
I have a 21 Tundra with a class 3 hitch, and a 1k rated hitch hauler custom welded together. My bike and hitch hauler together never exceed my tongue weight. Its been an awesome thing to have. Just roll on, roll off. But a trailer would be nice too. Id take either. I drive in the south where salt is not an issues.
You need to know the maximum tongue weight your vehicle can support. It's usually 10% of the maximum towing capacity. For truck based SUV like a Tahoe, Suburban or Expedition, you can probably carry a 600lb bike on a trailer safely. For most crossovers with a 50lb carrier and even 300lb dual sport you'd be close to maximum safe tongue weight. I am hesitant to use a hitch carrier with my crossover to carry a WR250R, although it would be much more convenient than a trailer.
Good lord. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. A class IV hitch is rated for a tongue weight of like 1,400lbs. A Sport bike is under 500lbs. A Bagger Harley 800lbs. Your reasoning...about rusty frame...is absurd. You better not pull a trailer then, because your vehicle frame is still rusty. It is better to be safe, than sorry...but. .your reasoning are completely bogus
Come on CycleCruza, I put my Harley Ultra Limited on a Harbor Freight Chinese hitch carrier all the time. Ha ha well maybe not. Only things I put on a hitch carrier are my kids bikes to go to the beach. Why put a $15,000+ bike on a $400 hitch carrier. Heck no, get a trailer, agreed.
wouldn’t be a problem....I pulled a 12v Cummins with a fwd 5 speed focus. In gravel. You can haul a dirt bike with a car no problem, I knew a guy that raced that literally hauled a 450 absolutely everywhere in a little car, he didn’t even use a rack he just strapped it to the roof with a couple straps.
In california vehicles with trailers are restricted to 55mph. So it takes an extra 2 hours to get to any track for a track day. The carrier saves tons of time.
Wow, all I heard was the most random shit you could think of on why not to get it, without even looking into what a hitch can hold or anything. Just a bunch of talk about rust. I've pulled crazy heavy trailers with the most rusty looking trucks and never had an issue. I'd buy one of these if I need a cheaper way to transport my bike. Throw on some magnet brake lights if need be and good to go..
Nobody in the comments knows what they’re talking about, if they checked their cars rated tongue weights they’d know, not the actual hitch rated tongue weight. The damage isn’t being done to your hitch, it’s being done to your frame
You're wrong on this one. A motorcycle isn't going to break your hitch off as even the heaviest bikes aren't going to break a 5,000lb hitch. Your frame would need to be practically destroyed in order for that to happen and by then your vehicle would be falling apart at every bump.
I've done that and it sucks. They rattle like hell, you have to pick up the trailer and take it back and around here they are often sold out. It's much better owning your own trailer.
so you trust the same hitch that you use to put the tailer on . same weight, and remember the trailer pulls against the frame. same thing just opposite direction
I used one of the harbor freight hitch racks to carry a ninja 250, as it was my first time it was a little sketch but i would feel comfortable using it again for that bike, however for anything even slightly heavier than a ninja 250 it would have been very sketchy putting on and off the bike on the rack, but once you have the bike up on there and strapped down properly it was pretty stable actually. i only hauled it about 40 miles on the freeway though.
Hey CycleCruza, one thing those of us that live down South always do when we buy used cars is look at the frame to see how rusty it is. That rust is a result of all the salt and brine they use on the roads in wintertime to keep ice from forming. Down south, we don't really have to worry about that, so our vehicles always have good looking frames for much longer.
Make sure the hitch tongue weight rating is sufficient for you bike and find a hack to prevent the handlebar from bashing your back window which is quite common, Also, you need to make sure the tail lights are visible, if not add some dot tail lights on the carrier and re-locate the plate to avoid cops ticketing you.
They’re fine just need to make sure your hitch is welded to the frame not the bumper and may also need a reinforcement weld done. Joe Haulers are great. Rocking mine for years. Many miles on it.
thinking of getting a truck and getting extra under-coating to protect the framework. currently load it up in the back of a mini-van. a bit annoying but if i take some of the plastics and mirrors off. it fits ... now the vans transmission is failing. so. thinks ima buy a new truck and one of these.
I don't trust those either.. That's why the ones I make are made out of the thick metal tubing that the entire reciever system is made from and I have support bars and welds all over .I weld picture and stunt cars for a living so I've built all kinds of crazy things. With mine the bike or whatever your hauling is safe the platform if fully supported and enterchangible with other platforms for what ever I'm hauling. Mine locks the bike in place so it cant fall over as you strap in on. And theres no sketchy ramp to push or ride up. A girl scout can load my gsxr 1000 by herself.
So you have NO personal knowledge or experience with a hitch carrier? WTF are you doing making a video about hitch carriers for then? What’s your opinion on the best way to build a rocket or a how about a nuclear reactor? I’m sure you have some valuable opinions those engineers could find useful.
I just bought one of these to haul around my 1985 xj700. It has a 600 lb capacity and the bike weighs maybe 480. The hitch I installed on my f250 has a 1000 lb toungue weight capacity so all in all I'm in spec. Now, if I had a nice bike I wouldnt use a hitch carrier either. At least not this one. My xj700 is a beater that already had scratches and dings. It's a bitch to load by yourself for probably any bike heavier than an average dirt bike. I've already broken the mirror off the first time I went to use it because I lost my balance. Again, beater bike, not really too concerned, especially since the bike is insured for more than it's worth. There are far superior hitch carrier designs out there, with a substantial price tag but it all depends on your investment in the bike. I've seen some custom made hitch carriers built so heavily it could handle two gold wings. It's just a matter of finding the proper application to match your needs.
My 2014 jeep grand cherokee ecodiesel can tow 7200lbs. A proper weight distribution at full capacity is 10-15%, which is 720-1080lbs. I tow my Supra + Car Trailer + racing gear all the time which comes close to max capacity with the family loaded too. I'm pretty sure that my motorcycle hitch carrier which weighs like 75lbs + my dirt bike that weighs about 230lbs = 305lbs total is not dangerous or putting undue stress on my jeep. Since my jeep has the factory air suspension, I also don't need to "upgrade the rear springs" either since it stays perfectly level no matter how much weight I put on the back of it. My jeep at about 185,000 miles, 6 years old, and there's practically no rust. Obviously, there are motorcycles that weigh significantly more, and a tow hitch carrier isn't a good solution; it's all about perspective. Putting a blanket statement like "hitch carriers are dangerous" and making poor generalizations is just bad information.
Appreciate the content and agree with the trailer hitch comments. May I suggest, considering your safety focus, don't ride whilst recording yourself because it takes away your focus from the road. Cheers from OZ
the only thing that really rots is sheet metal and only in a few places(fenders, rockers, bottom of door..salt can kill the bodywork but not the unibody
I ended up here because I've been thinking of a Jeep Grand Cherokee to use for camping with a roof tent. I thought...hitching a moto would be a nice way to get around if the Cherokee was tent bound. My thoughts to this video? Rust proofing is an option, and I always spray my undercarriage when I wash my car in the winter (New England). I'm not crazy about hitch trailers because I feel they'll make the backend of the vehicle heavy and wallow, but in my case I'm thinking a small ADV or Supermoto.
When you vlog while riding leaving your blinker on must be mandatory. Focus on some safety before someone pulls out in front of you thinking you are turning.
I was trawling the comments to see if anyone else had observed that fact. A video about safety whilst riding in an unsafe manner. Clearly distracted by recording himself as evident by the waving of arm whilst talking.
I don't think you've used many hitches. I'm from Oklahoma, we pull heavy tongue weight trailers. Unless you're putting it on a Yugo, I don't get it. Your pull behind has the same, if not more, tongue weight. Rust is the least of the issues. Need to learn more about how a trailer package hitch works.
For those in or out of the rust belt if your receiver cant handle the direct weight of a sport bike or enduro you probably also shouldn't be towing a trailer and introducing something with wheels that has the potential to go a lot farther down a rode with less resistance and cause just as much damage. i do not live in the rust belt but i feel very sorry for your vehicles. just my 2 cents, love the videos don't stop
Imagine spending eight minutes shitting on hitch carriers because your car frame is rusty. Don't buy size eight shoes, they don't fit my size ten feet.
The bars hitting the back of the vehicle was always my concern with those hitch carriers, aside from having to explain to the police why my bike is on the hood of the car traveling behind me.
That happens because of improper tie down. People aren't tightening them down tight enough, nor in good locations. People forget that the suspension of the bike will compress while you're towing it. If not strapped down properly, it will lead to the bike moving a significant amount, enough to where it hits your back window or tailgate, or even possibly falls off the hitch carrier. You only need 2 straps. You can use more if that makes you feel better, but two is all you need. Get a fork saver in the color of your choosing, install over front wheel, and strap down nice and tight. Make sure you put the bike in gear at least. Putting it in gear keeps the bike from rolling around. That's all you need.
Hitch carriers. GREAT for light motorcycles like my T-Dub or a dirt bike, not so great for heavy motorcycles, CERTAINLY not my BMW R1150GS ADV! If you monitor the rust on your hitch assembly, and it's no worse than light surface rust, there's no problem. Good point about tongue weight. My 4Runner has a 500 lb. limit, and the carrier and motorcycle and all the extras on the bike are about 370 lbs. User the right tool for the job and no worries.
Why would you have a car with a rotten frame? A hitch carrier with a 140kg bike on it, or whatever max weight it is good for, is alot lighter than what the hitch was actually made for.
This will not work if you have huge fees for tabs for trailers or no garage to store a fold up trailer. There are many carriers that work great and don't get taxed each year by the gubermint.
i’m curious if a cheap carrier could work for my volvo wagon? hear me out, normally i wouldn’t use it or even keep a carrier on the car but, i drive locally a lot and sometimes my car needs to be left at a shop for maintenance. when this happens, it would be nice to hook a carrier on the back and bring my moped on the back. i can ride the moped home and drive it back when they’re done. please note that i don’t have many friends and really hate asking for a ride from anyone.
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My bikes have fallen off those 3 times before after strapping it down good
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Hey man I've been watching your videos and I've noticed you're in ohio, what part if I may ask? I'm a new rider and itd be sick if we could ride together
This cars are designed to be able to tow, they are engineered, including the suspension, to handle much heavier loads then a motorcycle, you dont even know what you are talking about. If your car can not tow a trailer then yes this are bad idea, but if they can, then just check your specs
Love my hitch carrier! Never had an issue in 14yrs ..... if you are having rust problem, you should not be towing anyways. Use your head!
Most people will have a rust problem in the North, it's almost unavoidable unless you don't drive in the winter.
@HONEST ENGINE he's not exactly the smartest motovlogger out there haha.
what hitch carrier do you use?
@Max rod. Can you recommend a hitch carrier for a gsxr 600? Weighs 360lbs.
Use your head? Like head porterage? Otherwise known as Head Loading? Which is a very common way of transporting goods in developing countries. They've been doing it for millennia. I've even seen videos of them doing so with motorcycles! Haha!
Thousands of trouble free miles hauling my bikes,with a hitch carrier....
im thinking of one
Same. His reasoning is kinda dumb too, is his fold up trailer not connected to that same hitch that he’d put a hitch carrier in. I love the hitch carrier best investment for bikes.
I'm 100% buying a hitch carrier, this video is stupid. "upgrade your suspension" lmao, riiiiiiiight.
agree with all these comments, he's not really thinking it through. I'm only going to carry my crf 250l and no I would want to put a harley davidson full bagger on there, lol.
@@markpowersports1278 It's connected to the same hitch, but obviously trailer have wheels so it's only leaning on your hitch.
You're only puling trailer, so a small part of weight is resting on your car, rest in on its own wheels. With a carrier all weight of bike and carrier is resting on your car and don't forget how leaver works, because it's not helping.
never been so happy the comment section didn’t agree with the video creator this time, did not want to have a trailer
A foldaway trailer would be nice. But the one you have linked in your discription is literally 10x the price of a hitch mounted carrier. Also if your issue is with rust, then it's the SAME ISSUE for both trailer and hitch mounted carrier.
not really, the trailer has two wheels to hold the load of the bike, a hitch trailer is basically 200 odd kilos dangling off the back of your frame, i'd feel significantly safer with a rusty trailer hitch PULLING a trailer than CARRYING 200 KILOS
None of this makes sense. Stop giving advice when you don’t know what you are talking about. A hitch carrier is fine. Your reason that a hitch could fall out makes no sense. Then how does anyone tow anything?
You have to make sure your vehicle is rated for that tongue weight and you are good to go. I carry my bike on a hitch carrier with no problem off road. Super easy to load too
Lol. This dude doesn't know what he's talking about. What a simpleton.
How is he himself using a trailer then? Isn't he afraid hit hitch will fall off?...lol.
@@mattburk460 To be fair a motorcycle trailer will not put as much weight on the hitch, but a proper class of hitch can more than carry a motorcycle. the Class V hitch on my truck is rated for 5k lbs of tongue weight.
@@BrandonLeonSD this was 3 weeks ago...but if I remember the video correctly he is talking about rust weakening the hitch. So it doesn't matter what your towing in any manner. I rusted off hitch is a rusted off hitch.
@@mattburk460 but still he’s ultimate point is to never use this type of carrier. When it really should be don’t use compromised equipment.
Bloody hell man...what a waffle!! You coulda used 10% of the words you did. I won't be taking anything you say seriously.
So what you are actually saying is that you've never used one.
And this whole video is just heresay.
Great, I'm glad I wasted my time
It's the "I need more content" vlogger that wastes everyone's time.
Hitch carriers are awesome!
The same problems you have with rusty frames being used for a hitch carrier also would apply to that same hitch hauling your motorcycle trailer. An unsafe hitch is dangerous no matter what it is loaded on it, carrier or trailer.
Now ease of loading? Yes, trailers have that covered. But now we have the front wheel carriers that lift the front wheel of a bike and make it the trailer. Only a portion of the bike's weight is on the tow vehicle. It's secured in place, and is very stable if attached to the carrier correctly. It's a one person job and when you're done, remove it from the receiver and toss on a shelf. A very affordable and portable solution as an option to consider.
It's funny cause the picture he show of rust making a hitch fail was of a trailer.
$2K for a motorcycle trailer? Damn...hitch carrier all the way!
Ikr po people got po wayz
No to mention the expense of maintaining the a wheeled trailer, and storing it.
8:26 of my time I'll never get back.
I save my 8:26 after reading comments 😀😀
Yea, but really, how much would you have made of that time anyway?🙄
So you attach your trailer to a rusty hitch?
While I think his argument is rather silly, you have to be pretty dense to think a trailer puts equivalent stress to a hitch carrier. With a 65lb hitch carrier and a 350 lb bike, you're looking at probably 450-500lbs of tongue weight (due to the leverage, the hitch carrier acts like a lever with a weight on it). With his trailer, which probably weighs about 350 lbs, holding that same 350lb bike, you're probably looking at 100-200 lbs of tongue weight. Maybe even less.
They're just not equivalent.
@@dangerdanadv1445 true but even a class 2 receiver is rated for more 350lbs. Class 3 and above is fine. On my ton truck the hitch is rated for several thousand pounds of tongue weight.
Been using a hitch carrier for years for my dirt bikes. Some places we end up its easier to have a carrier than a trailer. Even over rough terrain my bike does not move.
Use 4 straps and a fork brace.
If your vehicle is so rusty you dont trust a hitch carrier, then its too rusty for a trailer too.
real talk bro.
facts! that’s literally what i!ve been doing for 5 years
Crear! Do you think I can use a hitch rack for a CRF 110 in a XV Crosstrek with 200 lb tongue limit weight??
Can you recommend any certain ones, brands, style, etc.? Thanks!
I mean. I can come up with 30 different "what ifs" to any trailer if you want. What about the salt under the trailer you have? How is that any different, what if it gets a flat, or 2 flats, or rusts and weakens. Idk
I've been using a hitch carrier and I love it, works great for me. I live in an area with no salt on roads though and my SUV can carry plenty tongue weight. Never had any problem loading my bikes on one, you gotto strap down the bikes well so they don't move. And as any equipment gotto make sure it is in good condition and maintain it properly.
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I have used a hitch carrier for 11 years now. Traveled over four different states, back roads, rain/shine, etc. Far better that hauling/pulling a trailer. I installed tail lights on the bottom and just plug them in just like you would with a trailer. If you have a vehicle in poor condition you shouldn't be hauling or pulling anything.
Lol this guy talk about something he don’t own ?? Lost my time looking at this poor dude , do something you know man !!!
7:37 Dude.... if you get any more toys, you are gonna have to move and buy a house with a bigger garage...
CC is a shopaholic
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talking rubbish really i never had problem with my tilting hitch carrier, i mean never
It all depends on what your hitch tongue weight is rated for. My hitch is rated for 1500 lbs. of tongue weight. My bike and carrier totals about 600 lbs. Well under the rated 1500 lbs. Half ton trucks are often rated for 500-750 which works for a dirt bike.
Trailers are so expensive so I'm thinking a hitch trailer 600 lb trailer but my 22 africa twin is 550lbs I'm not sure it can handle it
It’s about ur cars rated tongue weight, not the hitch itself. Hitch bolts onto your frame, engineers decided what the max tongue weight is. U have 300lbs on it but u go over a bump and that turns into a lot more weight. This guy is totally right
Do you have any empirical evidence that hitch carriers have fallen off due to a rusty frame? I guess it's possible if you mount it to a rust-bucket, but I've never heard of it happening.
Google is your friend.
This guy missed the biggest reason against a hitch mount motorcycle carrier which is torque multiplication. Normal hitches do not extend very far.
A motorcycle carrier is further out from the vehicle mount point causing more rotational torque to be applied to the hitch.
Example: A regular ball hitch that sticks out about 1ft is rated for 500lbs. (I know 1 foot is a bit much, but it makes math easy)
If a motorcycle carrier is 1ft further out, the weight of the bike is doubled. So a 400lb bike would apply 800lbs to the hitch.
Honda Grom, Chevy cargo van, and hitch carrier... think itll work out?
Oh yeah
I agree.... But 2k for a fold up trailer i can only use for my bike. I think for that price I'd get ramps for getting it into my truck or by a small enclosed trailer i could get multiple uses out of. Good video... but for a small trailer like yours 2k is way to high. I mean its a cool lil trailer i like the compact ability for storage but not that much... 😆
If you think 2k is high, my trailer is actually a Kendon trailer knock-off, the same trailer made by Kendon costs $3200 new!! The reason people like me get a fold-up trailer is because it takes up little space and can be stored in the garage. It's a pita to have a big enclosed trailer sitting in the driveway and most HOA's don't allow them (mine does not).
@@CycleCruza his point was that you can get a trailer, even a fold-up trailer, for less than $1,000
And one that can be used for more than just hauling a motorcycle
for 30 dollars a day, uhaul has my trailer any time I need it.
@@butteredbiskit3497 UHAUL trailers suck and you have to pick them up and take them back with an inspection. It's much nicer owning your own.
@CycleCruza like you said about storage and I'll add tags and stickers and insurance. all that hassle I'll just rent. plus I for one dont need a trailer but maybe once a year like most. If I had to haul some bike around, a van is the best way to haul some bikes.
As an Engineer: You sound drunk or ridiculous. As a Regular Dude, I'm with you all the way. This video grabbed me because I actually was doing some Chemistry one time and ended up with a leftover bag of Road Salts that had a bunch of Calcium Acetate and was for Canadian Roads and I left it in the back of an un-used F150 for about one year. When I checked on it the entire bed of the interior was nothing but rust. The Fuel Tank turned to shit and I had to replace it with a layer of rust on the entire exterior of the Frame from front to back. Not cool for your eyes if you catch my meaning. Excellent review and opinion and nice scenery too.
Peace
Sizzlean
This was no safety problem more of randomness, personal option, and user error. You totally just talked me into getting one.
CC man, the extra weight is a non issue. The tongue weight of a hitch carrier with a bike on it is no more than carrying a 4-5k trailer load. Trucks are literally designed to do double or even triple that.
The Curt class 3 hitch I installed on my SUV is only rated 350 lbs for the tongue weight. Also, I could not even install one of the hitch bolts to the frame because the thread on the frame had rusted through. Your hitch strength is only as good as the mounting on your frame and the integrity of your frame. A hitch is simply attached to your frame with bolts. No way in hell I would trust a hitch carrier on vehicles up north where salt is put on the road in the winter. Also, I know a few dudes who had their back window busted out from the handlebar slamming on the back window.
CycleCruza The window thing for sure. I just meant, the weight is no problem if you have a real truck. If you were planning on using a hitch carrier, you wouldn’t get a class 3 hitch. They sometimes don’t make class 4s for smaller vehicles like suvs or perhaps your BO van, but again if you have a truck, it’s not really an issue. As for the rust tho, I mean I’ll still carry a 5k trailer with a truck with some rust on it, so long as its not structural, which would be some serious rust. But maybe that’s just me 🤷♀️
@@shielasimpleton7346 Like I said, your hitch is only as good as the connection to the frame and the integrity of the frame, no matter what tongue rating the hitch is.
"Most" bikes are under 600 pounds wet and "most" of the big 3 brand pickups have a tongue rating at or over 1k lbs. Not an issue unless you're moving a full dressed HD. P.S. I have a '17 chevy 1500 moved an fz09 many times no issues at all. Also moved a 2006 Vmax 4 times about 100mi round trip each time. Never had an issue.
If you have that big of a rust issue then pulling a trailer is also dangerous ?
Is your vehicle rated for the tongue weight? Is your hitch carrier rated for the weight of your bike? Yes and yes? Use the hitch carrier. This dude has no idea what he's talking about.
If you have a vehicle is so badley rusted that a hitch carrier will damage it when loaded, your vehicle is not road-worthy in the first place and adding a motorcycle carrier to it is the least of your problems!
I live in Ohio, and I've not had a rust issue. I spray Fluid Film twice a year on my undercarriage and frame, and wash off my chassis once a week during winter. If you have a problem with rust, a trailer is going to be just as dicey as a hitch carrier.
1:00. These are NOT meant for bikes above 250 pounds. MOST of those type of hitches that carry the full load of the bike ( as in not one of the tires is touching t he street while you're driving unlike my one wheeled hitch for the front wheel), will clearly state a max weight limit of 250 pounds or less...thus they are most often for DIRT bikes
I think for dirt bikes or scooters it’s fine and I know hundreds of dirt bike riders that use the hitch Mount carriers with years of trouble free and they use them almost every weekend, I would not haul a street bike though
You should see the stress demands travel trailers place on hitches. They are designed for that and with a safety factor. My Suburban 2500 has 900# on the hitch when my 33' trailer is connected. I would trust it with 450# without a weight distribution hitch. I don't know that I would try to get a sport bike all the way up to the hitch, but a little dual-sport would be doable.
I have one for my E-scooter just a secondary vehicle so I don’t have to take a shuttle to my construction site. Some job sites require me to park maybe 1-2 miles away and shuttle with other trades I’d rather ignore the wait time and have another means to travel from parking to site
When using a carrier, make sure to put the bike in gear once its in position. This will keep it from rolling, and potentially coming loose.
not all heroes wear capes
I've used my hitch hauler on my dodge charger with absolutely no issues for thousands of miles. I've hauled just about every type of dirt bike you can think of, biggest one being my Honda XR600R with no issues at all. This guy has apparently never used one and is knocking it without even having any real experience.
Do you have any brand/style recommendations? Is your carrier aluminum or steel? Thanks!
I think there's a huge oversight on your part. If you can tow a trailer you can tow a bike carrier on the back. There's no way a whole trailer is less stressful than a carrier.
I live in Texas, and I've been using a hitch ramp for 12 years with no problem. I use my F150, and my wife's mini van to carry it.
A bike carrier is no problem as long as you stay within TW rating. No different from towing a trailer. I've hauled my bike thousands of miles with the bike hauler (in Ohio) with no problems.
Weight that is placed on the hitch stresses the hitch much more than towing. The hitch is bolted up onto the frame and a hitch carrier with a bike is putting down force on the bolts as where a trailer pulls away not down, much less stress when towing (reason you can tow much more weight!) Your hitch is only as strong as the mounting to the frame. One of my hitch bolts could not even be installed because the frame bolt hole threads were rusted through. You are playing with fire if you live in ohio and drive on salted roads in the winter. My Curt class 3 hitch is starting rust and I've had it for only a couple years. I had to replace the original hitch ball with a stainless steel hitch ball because the original ball had rusted bad. You must not live in Ohio. lol You just drove thru ohio only? If you lived here you would know this is called the rust belt for a reason. lol
I have a 21 Tundra with a class 3 hitch, and a 1k rated hitch hauler custom welded together. My bike and hitch hauler together never exceed my tongue weight. Its been an awesome thing to have. Just roll on, roll off. But a trailer would be nice too. Id take either. I drive in the south where salt is not an issues.
You need to know the maximum tongue weight your vehicle can support. It's usually 10% of the maximum towing capacity. For truck based SUV like a Tahoe, Suburban or Expedition, you can probably carry a 600lb bike on a trailer safely. For most crossovers with a 50lb carrier and even 300lb dual sport you'd be close to maximum safe tongue weight. I am hesitant to use a hitch carrier with my crossover to carry a WR250R, although it would be much more convenient than a trailer.
How do you not get stopped by the cops for a obstructed number plate, tail lights, etc and plus that gives cops, probable-cause to stop you ?
Hey! Did you ever turn your turn signals off
I did over 1000 miles with a Honda Rebel on a hitch carrier. It did great, and never moved.
If your vehicle is so rusty you don’t trust a bitch carrier then you shouldn’t be using a trailer either
Those are some really good tips, I know rust very well coming from Pa. the salt an brine is horrible on cars, ride safe man
What is your trailer hitch hooked up to? So your still towing your trailer with the hitch that is attached to your car?
Thought I'd get another person's thoughts about hitch carriers but after 2 minutes of not hearing about hitch carriers I stopped the video
Good lord. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
A class IV hitch is rated for a tongue weight of like 1,400lbs.
A Sport bike is under 500lbs.
A Bagger Harley 800lbs.
Your reasoning...about rusty frame...is absurd.
You better not pull a trailer then, because your vehicle frame is still rusty.
It is better to be safe, than sorry...but.
.your reasoning are completely bogus
Tampa, Florida. No rust down here so the carrier sounds okay to me. So, I need two people to load? No problem. I’m getting one soon.
Bro you must live in a state where it snows and they spread salt on the road. I live in California and the undercarriage of cars stay solid.
Come on CycleCruza, I put my Harley Ultra Limited on a Harbor Freight Chinese hitch carrier all the time. Ha ha well maybe not. Only things I put on a hitch carrier are my kids bikes to go to the beach. Why put a $15,000+ bike on a $400 hitch carrier. Heck no, get a trailer, agreed.
Do you want the carrier to be $15,000+ too?
Imagine having one of these motorcycle carriers with a 400lb bike and going up a steep hill with a small front wheel drive car 😂
Could be a real fooked up day! lol
😂🤣🤣🤣
you have use your brain what a daft comment thats like saying i use a kids electric bike go shopping
😂😂😂😂 I’ve experienced something like that before with a Toyota Sienna.
wouldn’t be a problem....I pulled a 12v Cummins with a fwd 5 speed focus. In gravel. You can haul a dirt bike with a car no problem, I knew a guy that raced that literally hauled a 450 absolutely everywhere in a little car, he didn’t even use a rack he just strapped it to the roof with a couple straps.
In california vehicles with trailers are restricted to 55mph. So it takes an extra 2 hours to get to any track for a track day. The carrier saves tons of time.
So what is the difference òf your bike haul over a trailer? As far as the hitch point?
You're talking shit. A vehicle than can handle pulling a trailer can easily handle a motorcycle hitch carrier.
I am glad I put this on 1.5x playback speed to glean useful information. Thank you for providing some good advice!
When you put a trailer on and hit the breaks it’s all pushes forward and puts weight on the hitch so if your rusty it’s the same problem.
I think the WR250R would be ok on the back. Def no Harleys though...
Was your trailer 70 bucks?
Wow, all I heard was the most random shit you could think of on why not to get it, without even looking into what a hitch can hold or anything. Just a bunch of talk about rust. I've pulled crazy heavy trailers with the most rusty looking trucks and never had an issue. I'd buy one of these if I need a cheaper way to transport my bike. Throw on some magnet brake lights if need be and good to go..
his talking shit really he is
Nobody in the comments knows what they’re talking about, if they checked their cars rated tongue weights they’d know, not the actual hitch rated tongue weight. The damage isn’t being done to your hitch, it’s being done to your frame
You're wrong on this one. A motorcycle isn't going to break your hitch off as even the heaviest bikes aren't going to break a 5,000lb hitch. Your frame would need to be practically destroyed in order for that to happen and by then your vehicle would be falling apart at every bump.
Just rent a trailer for 30 bucks a day from uhaul.
I've done that and it sucks. They rattle like hell, you have to pick up the trailer and take it back and around here they are often sold out. It's much better owning your own trailer.
What state are you in? Frames don't rust like that in California.
so you trust the same hitch that you use to put the tailer on . same weight, and remember the trailer pulls against the frame. same thing just opposite direction
I used one of the harbor freight hitch racks to carry a ninja 250, as it was my first time it was a little sketch but i would feel comfortable using it again for that bike, however for anything even slightly heavier than a ninja 250 it would have been very sketchy putting on and off the bike on the rack, but once you have the bike up on there and strapped down properly it was pretty stable actually. i only hauled it about 40 miles on the freeway though.
Bought a hitch carrier for my dirt bike, sceptical at first...great purchase.
Yea i need some lights etc but its worth it
HOA don't play project vehicles have to be in the garage in my neighborhood.
I thought you were going to say something interesting… I was wrong.
You can replace your tow bar if it's "rusty"
Just watched a video on a Joe hauler out California and they seem to be a good product. If your truck is all rusted out time to get a new truck.
Hey CycleCruza, one thing those of us that live down South always do when we buy used cars is look at the frame to see how rusty it is. That rust is a result of all the salt and brine they use on the roads in wintertime to keep ice from forming. Down south, we don't really have to worry about that, so our vehicles always have good looking frames for much longer.
Make sure the hitch tongue weight rating is sufficient for you bike and find a hack to prevent the handlebar from bashing your back window which is quite common, Also, you need to make sure the tail lights are visible, if not add some dot tail lights on the carrier and re-locate the plate to avoid cops ticketing you.
Ive done it many times with a 250 pound dirt bike but I wouldn't trust a 400+ pound street bike. I would use at least 4 tie downs too
humzilla707 I use one with a 260 pound bike. I honestly would not go higher than 300 pounds.
They’re fine just need to make sure your hitch is welded to the frame not the bumper and may also need a reinforcement weld done. Joe Haulers are great. Rocking mine for years. Many miles on it.
thinking of getting a truck and getting extra under-coating to protect the framework. currently load it up in the back of a mini-van. a bit annoying but if i take some of the plastics and mirrors off. it fits ... now the vans transmission is failing. so. thinks ima buy a new truck and one of these.
I don't trust those either.. That's why the ones I make are made out of the thick metal tubing that the entire reciever system is made from and I have support bars and welds all over .I weld picture and stunt cars for a living so I've built all kinds of crazy things. With mine the bike or whatever your hauling is safe the platform if fully supported and enterchangible with other platforms for what ever I'm hauling. Mine locks the bike in place so it cant fall over as you strap in on. And theres no sketchy ramp to push or ride up. A girl scout can load my gsxr 1000 by herself.
So you have NO personal knowledge or experience with a hitch carrier? WTF are you doing making a video about hitch carriers for then? What’s your opinion on the best way to build a rocket or a how about a nuclear reactor? I’m sure you have some valuable opinions those engineers could find useful.
I just bought one of these to haul around my 1985 xj700. It has a 600 lb capacity and the bike weighs maybe 480. The hitch I installed on my f250 has a 1000 lb toungue weight capacity so all in all I'm in spec. Now, if I had a nice bike I wouldnt use a hitch carrier either. At least not this one. My xj700 is a beater that already had scratches and dings. It's a bitch to load by yourself for probably any bike heavier than an average dirt bike. I've already broken the mirror off the first time I went to use it because I lost my balance. Again, beater bike, not really too concerned, especially since the bike is insured for more than it's worth. There are far superior hitch carrier designs out there, with a substantial price tag but it all depends on your investment in the bike. I've seen some custom made hitch carriers built so heavily it could handle two gold wings. It's just a matter of finding the proper application to match your needs.
My 2014 jeep grand cherokee ecodiesel can tow 7200lbs. A proper weight distribution at full capacity is 10-15%, which is 720-1080lbs. I tow my Supra + Car Trailer + racing gear all the time which comes close to max capacity with the family loaded too. I'm pretty sure that my motorcycle hitch carrier which weighs like 75lbs + my dirt bike that weighs about 230lbs = 305lbs total is not dangerous or putting undue stress on my jeep. Since my jeep has the factory air suspension, I also don't need to "upgrade the rear springs" either since it stays perfectly level no matter how much weight I put on the back of it. My jeep at about 185,000 miles, 6 years old, and there's practically no rust. Obviously, there are motorcycles that weigh significantly more, and a tow hitch carrier isn't a good solution; it's all about perspective. Putting a blanket statement like "hitch carriers are dangerous" and making poor generalizations is just bad information.
Appreciate the content and agree with the trailer hitch comments. May I suggest, considering your safety focus, don't ride whilst recording yourself because it takes away your focus from the road. Cheers from OZ
The title of this video should be "Idiot Gives His Ignorant Opinion on Motorcycle Hitches".
the only thing that really rots is sheet metal and only in a few places(fenders, rockers, bottom of door..salt can kill the bodywork but not the unibody
Since the demise of the Evolution engine, has Harley included these in the purchase?
I ended up here because I've been thinking of a Jeep Grand Cherokee to use for camping with a roof tent. I thought...hitching a moto would be a nice way to get around if the Cherokee was tent bound.
My thoughts to this video? Rust proofing is an option, and I always spray my undercarriage when I wash my car in the winter (New England). I'm not crazy about hitch trailers because I feel they'll make the backend of the vehicle heavy and wallow, but in my case I'm thinking a small ADV or Supermoto.
When you vlog while riding leaving your blinker on must be mandatory. Focus on some safety before someone pulls out in front of you thinking you are turning.
I was trawling the comments to see if anyone else had observed that fact. A video about safety whilst riding in an unsafe manner. Clearly distracted by recording himself as evident by the waving of arm whilst talking.
I don't think you've used many hitches. I'm from Oklahoma, we pull heavy tongue weight trailers. Unless you're putting it on a Yugo, I don't get it. Your pull behind has the same, if not more, tongue weight. Rust is the least of the issues.
Need to learn more about how a trailer package hitch works.
For those in or out of the rust belt if your receiver cant handle the direct weight of a sport bike or enduro you probably also shouldn't be towing a trailer and introducing something with wheels that has the potential to go a lot farther down a rode with less resistance and cause just as much damage.
i do not live in the rust belt but i feel very sorry for your vehicles.
just my 2 cents, love the videos don't stop
Imagine spending eight minutes shitting on hitch carriers because your car frame is rusty.
Don't buy size eight shoes, they don't fit my size ten feet.
The bars hitting the back of the vehicle was always my concern with those hitch carriers, aside from having to explain to the police why my bike is on the hood of the car traveling behind me.
I know three dudes off the top of my head that had back windows busted out because of a hitch carrier.
Your bike could always fall off your trailer too if it isn’t strapped down correctly.
That happens because of improper tie down. People aren't tightening them down tight enough, nor in good locations. People forget that the suspension of the bike will compress while you're towing it. If not strapped down properly, it will lead to the bike moving a significant amount, enough to where it hits your back window or tailgate, or even possibly falls off the hitch carrier. You only need 2 straps. You can use more if that makes you feel better, but two is all you need. Get a fork saver in the color of your choosing, install over front wheel, and strap down nice and tight. Make sure you put the bike in gear at least. Putting it in gear keeps the bike from rolling around. That's all you need.
Hitch carriers. GREAT for light motorcycles like my T-Dub or a dirt bike, not so great for heavy motorcycles, CERTAINLY not my BMW R1150GS ADV! If you monitor the rust on your hitch assembly, and it's no worse than light surface rust, there's no problem. Good point about tongue weight. My 4Runner has a 500 lb. limit, and the carrier and motorcycle and all the extras on the bike are about 370 lbs. User the right tool for the job and no worries.
Why would you have a car with a rotten frame? A hitch carrier with a 140kg bike on it, or whatever max weight it is good for, is alot lighter than what the hitch was actually made for.
Why do you ride with your left blinker on?
This will not work if you have huge fees for tabs for trailers or no garage to store a fold up trailer. There are many carriers that work great and don't get taxed each year by the gubermint.
Surface rust does not weaken anything…
You should talk more about FACTS rather than your personal insecurities.
i’m curious if a cheap carrier could work for my volvo wagon?
hear me out, normally i wouldn’t use it or even keep a carrier on the car but, i drive locally a lot and sometimes my car needs to be left at a shop for maintenance.
when this happens, it would be nice to hook a carrier on the back and bring my moped on the back.
i can ride the moped home and drive it back when they’re done.
please note that i don’t have many friends and really hate asking for a ride from anyone.