The Most Disturbing Ancient Art in the United States You’ve Never Seen
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ย. 2024
- There is an area of rock art in the American Southwest that may be the most disturbing ancient depictions of violence we have in the United States. Does it really show what the allegations claim? I went to go see for myself.
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I saw the documentary about Chaco canyon where an archeologist found pretty convincing proof of someone cooking and eating humans. But I do think whoever did it was most likely a hunter/gatherer tribe from outside of the area. During the severe drought that happened there, they might have been violent enough to prey on the peaceful agriculturalists they encountered on their migration through the area.
The more you find, the more questions arise. Thanks for taking us along!
Hmm, Navajo legend where the Anasazi, enslaved them, the people hid in the mountains and the warriors, eliminated them? As the belief states you cannot have peace with contention..so I heard.
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In my opinion, this is a warning. The ancient artists put these images here to show their people what they were up against. Maybe these frightful etchings show the cannibal invaders coming up from the south and conquering all, consuming all. To me, they look like the natives were depicting foreigners with exotic weapons.
Makes you wonder what’s on the other side of some of the stones that broke off… or if they broke off before the drawing was done…
Or if someone did it to steal the art.
what is wrong with people!! i could pull all my hairs out when i saw engraved cataloging numbers on some of these images. somebody would rather ruin the site itself to put identifying numbers under each image as opposed to taking the image and marking the photo itself. what an absolute atrocity. i can only pray whoever did that learned from it and is not still doing it. holy crap.
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Thank you for creating such quality content and remaining impartial and objective with your findings. Your calm demeanor, smooth speaking voice, mixture of drone and ground footage, along with your editing techniques draw the viewer in, making us feel we are right there, walking along beside you.
Colorado here, thanks so much for sharing your adventures 🧡
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It was nice to see you and Evelyn out with another youtuber climbing the HUGE cube.
Some of that imagery reminds me of Aztec art. Especially the panel with the severed heads. Between the violence and the jewelry they portray, this could almost be pre-aztec. And with the fall of the Fremont coinciding with the rise of the Aztec...
A Dine’ (Navaho) woman recently told me a story about a six fingered man from the south that brought drugs, gambling and cannibalism to the area. Many people moved into the cliffs for protection. Could he have been Aztec?
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I have enjoyed your channel the most compared to the others I have watched. It's my opinion you display and objective realism when discerning what earlier people have left behind in the desert southwest. I will continue watching and look forward to seeing your next video.
Thank you for taking us along. Very interesting!!! I really love your videos!
When I was doing explorations, years ago, Park rangers did tell me that there was evidence of cannibalism in the Southwest. It was a taboo topic then and told to me in hushed tones.
There were hints of it everywhere to me, even if I had not been told. The panel’s you showed us definitely depicts it.
There were great droughts in the Southwest, where I could see desperate people resorting to cannibalism. The droughts were long and severe. Any group of people when faced with severe environmental conditions have eventually resorted to cannibalism. It’s a tough call, but it is survival.
There are also reports of Aztec that came into the area and brought their practice of human sacrifice with them. To add: an anthropologist I was conversing with said that he thought Aztecs originated from North Anerica and then migrated down. I think it was the other way around.
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What stands out to me was that the severed heads all had tears streaming from their eyes… poor people : (
I wonder if these pictographs were more depictions of what happened to the people that had settled there and themselves having been killed and beheaded as opposed to they themselves committing the violence? I was struck by the tears as well and thought that the art was perhaps drawn by the victims of such atrocities.
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It’s possible? Sure are a lot of the drawings though. Had this happened over and over, I’d have left the area instead of cataloguing the atrocities committed by the beasts wearing headdresses. All the wall art is strange to me. I want to know more about these people!
Those are not tears, that's blood.
The colab with thePOVchannel was awesome! That rock is something else! That whole place was amazing wish I knew where it was!
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the figure at 10:30 in, has what looks to be very refined facial hair and a beard which I don't recall seeing on any previous images you've shown us.
Yes - I saw that two. Looked like a full beard. Wonder if it was RED BEARD ? Hmmmm the local people did not have facial hair - nor do they now
After seeing you referenced facial hair/beard, I went back to look. You're right, it's quite defined. It makes me wonder about mixed peoples from far away lands that may have assimilated into the native populations. There are many stories referencing seeing various colored eyes, lighter skin, blonde or redheaded people, not known to be the norm for native. But, like today, and eons of generations, we tend to have more survival success when we do assimilate.
So many strange petroglyphs, so many questions. Thanks for an excellent video!!
Thank you so much for bringing this history to us from different regions.
To me the figures feel like maybe depictions of some strange people who came and terrorized the locals and then moved one and those left made the art as a sort of memorial and also a warning to future generations.
That was my thought also….
Thank you for documenting these for us all to see & enjoy, and to pass down for others to witness
Another great experience! Thanks for documenting and sharing
My wife and I wondered: Could this be what happened to them and not what they did? Maybe it was an Aztec army moving northward and looking for more lands/people to conquer? Perhaps this is why so many of the South Western Natives made their homes up on the sides of cliffs with difficult access?
Perhaps this would explain the hiding on cliff sides and the sudden disappearance of some tribes? Aztec expansion could explain this fairly well.
We see some of the hands of those holding heads. Those hands have six fingers. Those standing off to the sides not holding heads have five fingers.
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The issue here is that we would then see more traces of Aztec presence in the area in terms of iconography, language, material culture, and genetics. We don’t really see any of that outside of some potential similarities in rock art design choices, so it’s highly unlikely that there was any direct contact between Central Mexico and Utah.
@@ifarrell71very interesting points, I had not thought of.
Hhhmm...this is fascinating.
What will be left of our culture after a few thousand of years? ... A lot of glass sand and poisoned soils? ...
Mr. Drifter, Thank you for the remarkable video. Your depictions and analyses are layered, and all the parts strike a unified and coherent tone. Really a great job.
This reminds me of the Mayans and Aztecs... Very interesting.... Especially with their attire and headdress on the drawings. Very striking.
Thanks for sharing another adventure in archaeology. Your work is outstanding.
Yes, human heads detached from a body and those being carried are depictions of flayed heads, After decapitation, the head would be flayed i.e. the skin removed, stuffed with plants, dried, painted, and carried as a war trophy. There are examples of this practice that have been discovered by archaeologists in the southwest and in museum collections although they are not on public display. It's not just a Fremont thing, I have seen these flayed head images in ancestral puebloan rock art sites in central Arizona. This is one of your best videos treating a controversial topic with sensitivity. Christy Turner's book is a good reference but you might want to take a look at Steven LeBlanc's books, "Prehistoric Warfare in the American Southwest" and "Deadly Landscapes: Case Studies in Southwestern Warfare".
Well, I'm completely jealous of you getting to visit that site. Totally glad you got all the video you did and shared it with us.
Thanks for sharing. Great presentation.
It’s always good to get a new upload because it means you didn’t fall off a cliff.
Oh wow! What an amazing adventure you shared this time!!!
Like so many other ancient cultures, they were recording the history of their daily lives. I was amazed by how intricate and detailed the petroglyphs were, and their tremendous size! Many were much like other sites you've shown us, but there were many that were extremely unique. The enormity of what they were depicting hit me when you zoomed in on the heads...and they had tears streaming down their faces. Not one or two tears...streams. I went from objective, intellectual curiosity and interest to emotional reaction and profound sadness. That just got me. Thank you for the video, the interesting information, and the great videography. I had never heard of the Fremont tribe, and certainly would never been able to see their art in person. Drift on, Andrew!
Fascinating. The one thing we all know for sure is that nobody has one clue what any ancient petroglygh translates to their creators.
This is wonderful, thanks for letting me tag along just seeing all this thru your eyes at my age is Great !
I just noticed that the warrior at 16:59 has what appears to be a relatively modern looking sword. Did they have those types of weapons in this area back then or is this something different that just kinda looks like a sword?
Interpretation is whatever you want it to be,wrong or otherwise.
It’s more likely something that looks like a sword to our modern perspective but is something else entirely, such as a club or staff. Also, metal working was known in the americas, but for various reasons didn’t catch on as the primary way of making tools.
Cannibalism there is probably more because of the scarcity of nutritional foods than anything else.
The last section could be an unfinished carving? Feet and legs, but the trunk wasn't complete?
This is not a value judgment, but there is a distinction between cannibalism in times of desperation and cannibalism that is an accepted part of a society's culture. The Aztecs, for example, engaged in human sacrifice and "cannibalism" as ritual.
I'm with you on the petroglyph at issue being unfinished, but without a way to fully decipher what the art left behind by these people was intended to convey we'll likely never know what any of it truly "meant."
You're doing some really great work with these videos. I really appreciate how thoughtful you are about the artifacts and art left behind by the peoples you're studying.
I notice the warriors were using what look like wooden clubs with obsidian blades embedded in them? I can't think of very many North American tribes who used that particular style of warclub. But I can think of several Central American tribes that used them. Including the Aztecs, who supposedly migrated from out of the north, moving south into central Mexico. I wonder?
At 6:45, to the right of the figure, follow that black crack all the way down. When you get to the bottom, look to the left of the crack. It looks to me like a huge square opening that has had mud flow out of it, sealing it. Anyone else see it? Love your work!
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Remarkable video, Andrew. I’ve learned so much from what you’ve shared with your audience.
I have grown up in the Midwest, and have paid more attention to the rise and fall of the Cahokia. Which happens to coincide with the culture of these people; and the Pueblo, ironically. They too; the Cahokia, were known to be human sacrificers due to the contents found in mounds there. I have to believe the two may be tied together. Sacrifice/cannibalism
It’s also my speculation that these dark practices leached up from the collapsed Mayans. Which occurred around 925 AD.
I don’t know. Fun to collaborate and speculate.
Looking forward to your next adventure.
So many questions. You’re right Andrew, history needs to be told.
Some of the art is difficult to make out, lighting, sunlight and the sheer magnitude of the scenes just blows me away!
I'd love to have a time machine.
It makes me wonder if the tribe of the artist was the aggressor or victims of what's recorded or something they maybe heard about.
The streams from the eyes of severed heads as well as the Kings or chiefs seem to have tears equally,or maybe blood,or did it hurt the kings to hurt the victims hence the tears.😢
It could be unfinished with the lower body and the disembodied head on the same panel.
There's just so much, and unfortunately so much of the lower part has crumbled to time and elements.
Can't forget the Donner party, early Arctic explorers and the plane crashes where people have had to make the ultimate decision to either starve or resort to something else that polite society doesn't prefer to discuss. 😢
Thanks again for your travels and sharing these incredible experiences and works with us.
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Very cool spot. I noticed there’s very little modern day additions to the panels. I’m happy there are such places still. Thanks for sharing. I always enjoy your videos.
Very interesting and beautiful scenery 🧗♂️thanks for your videos. I like them a lot😊
"The Case of the Tuquoise Sun" is an awesome book by Ev Cochrane with some very insightful ideas about global rockart.
Egyptian was the first thing that came to my mind when I looked at these rock pictures. Thank You for sharing them with us, as well as some of the ancient history. Keep on drifting, videoing, and sharing. These sites are priceless.
Loved your cube adventure with Evelyn and the other You tuber! That was a very cool adventure! 👍👍👍
Now to watch this one. 😀💕🌸👍👍
I know what that number means. When the government went in and told the Indigenous People they had to "Relocate" to Parcel 57, and the general or whoever ordered the move, didn't look at the map before assigning the rugged, unlivable place! That is the land the Natives had to build on. Later, the general did make it out to see the unlivable "godforsaken" lands. These are the petroglyphs that shows who was unified and who is connected to who. The different regalia shows people from many nations. I feel the Native People did what they has to do.
Some of this art makes me think that these people had seen things that modern people never have.
What is fascinating to me is, that art was so important to them that they had to build some kind of scaffolding to get that high . It must have been very important to them to invest that much effort into building and completing their story. Thanks for taking us along the journey .
I visited this site early this spring. It's a truly fascinating place.
I know about things like what you talked about happening in the past, but I haven't heard about it among the Freemonts. This was interesting.
People sometimes hate to accept that humans have done and will do what is unacceptable during the span of their own lives.
I's easy to see the layers of rock over thousands of years showing a higher water table than now.
Both Hopi and Zuni cultures have verbal history that may assist you in understanding the history in front of you.
Thanks for the video.
Imagine unearthing the letter "W." What is it? Maybe it's a double bowl sink. What about this symbol "A", it's a tent. This "L' might be a chair. It's a tent with a sink and a chair. Are we not understanding something about the ancient writings?
I didn’t notice if you mentioned that the warriors could have taken heads of killed enemies for display or bragging rights, not necessarily as part of cannibalism.
Christy’s work and then the massive archeological work in the Roosevelt/Tonto Basin for the lake expansion 1980’s and 90’s, show that ritual dismemberment was a part of warfare.
I won’t go into detail here but worth a read.
I’ve had good luck with a polarizing filter when filming petroglyphs.
I like your search for the truth. I think it is important to keep an open mind and I think it is important that people be allowed to say what they think. Thanks for your TH-cam videos! :)
I love your videos and your style, laid back but action man! Been thinking, with all the gold that used to be around many of the high "grain stores" could have been their form of Banking?
Andrew. Love the show. Just finished watching the episode about the cannibals in the basin. Just a thought, I wonder if there is a connection to chaco canyon. Just a thought. Keep up the good work.
Their art was amazing and detailed! The time that had to take- all the dots. Yes most civilizations had their violence but I sure admire the art! Thank you for sharing this and the beauty of the areas you visit!
Wish you would show us how the carving so high up were made. A 20 ft aluminum extension ladder, some chisels, lots of repositioning, and for what reason? Not much development in style or technique, no Leonardos here. Even the French cave art is vastly superior.
What would your contribution look like?
That last panel might be where they were practicing for the other panels??
I have never denied the brutality of my ancestors. They did some pretty nasty stuff from time to time. I don't know why the indigenous peoples here claim to be eternally peaceful.
Definitely not the "noble savage" we have been lead to believe. What it comes down to is humans doing human things. The same goes for conquests and slavery. All humans, civilizations, and races have done it.
Oh wow! That was stunning! Thank you Andrew. And I agree, some of those very like the ancient Egyptian figures. Amazing!
Fascinating as ever. So many, it’s hard to take them all in. The fact this site is on private land as you mentioned at the beginning will hopefully preserve these petroglyphs for many more years for other people to appreciate. Thanks again. Take care, keep safe. ❤ Dorset, UK
So fascinating but yet disturbing. It makes you wonder how could or why? Then you think of the time line it happened. The warriors were the judge and the jury in a way. Your journeys you take really make us think and I love that about your videos. I saw a reel the other day with you being interviewed... I knew you were a man of God. Thank you A'ho
What you said Andrew, an unfinished work depicting a warrior. That's what came to mind because the head and feet line up so closely. It's probably true that these images took weeks or months to complete. The artist may have passed away for various reasons in the midst of its creation. However, cannibalism probably existed in every ancient culture either out of desperation or ritual. Those people lived tough lives where starvation may have been a relatively common occurrence. We are lucky people to live in a time where we never have to consider this.
Thank you for sharing your journey with us I love your videos and the History you tell
I believe that you are correct about the so-called cannibal panel. It does look similar to the warriors who are holding their enemies heads. I also noticed the one that looks like a coil, those have some unknown significance and they are seen all over the world. Thank you for showing us what some of us may never get to see in person. God bless
I grew up in the southwest and have lived in Utah, Colorado, Wyoming, Arizona, New Mexico. They're all beautiful in their own way. This was a fascinating video. It's fun to try and interpret all of these petroglyphs, but we'll never know what they mean. Severed heads? Maybe. Maybe not.
Thhank you for the guided tour. Great editing and soundtrack. I hope you are able to make a living producing this content. I miss the high desert very much. Your channel and POV take me to places that I may never see in person and yet your appreciation for the places you visit makes me feel like I am there with you. I hope to visit the Colorado basin again sometime soon, perhaps early spring. Safe travels friend and much gratitude for your sharing of exploration.
The practice of cannibalism I'm , has been practiced all over the world at times in areas and groups of people who were starving. We possibly would not be here if it weren't true. The cycles of the earth have made it uninhabitable in most places and humans were driven by the severity of the climate.
Who else noticed the third leg(tail) of several figures? And that one you said you wouldn't hazard a guess upon look like Trex.
That was one of your best videos. WOW!
Thank you for going to these places. I find it most interesting. I would never be able to see these places in person, so, again thank you.
Why shocking? You're a great explorer and a wonderful guide to ancient times. But,,, hard times, different mentalities and necessities of survival lead to doing what one must do. This world is in deep shit and hard times are around the corner. We will see if the past becomes the present.
Unlike many sites, the absence of bullet holes is nice to see. These are pretty unique. Thanks...
Thanks for sharing,places we never will see in our lifetime ourselves.
Thanks for letting me go with you! Younger than now, I did what you are doing and rock hounding too 😂 different times, I've been about everywhere west of the Rocky's? I'm 73 years old now. That's why I love going with you, a lot of history and knowledge to be found in these lands. ❤ Be safe and stay strong brother
That last panel just looks unfinished to me as well.
Many pueblo people have oral histories of having migrated north from the Mayan civilization in ancient times. Depicting severed heads is common in that cultural art. Also, many of these pics seem to depict a large figure, with smaller ones shown with what seems to be tears running down their face. Made me wonder if many of these were done as part of a funerary remembrance ceremony for tribal members who passed.
Another well done, very interesting video. Thank you, I'm always looking forward to your next.
I think the last panel was just never finished......
You are a very good storyteller. Appreciate you.
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Great vid as always 👌. Im really interested @17:07. Where a sword with a hilt is displayed being worn on the back of a depicted character holding a head! This could only have come from a sword bering society! No native Americans made swords...If these people are around 300ad - 1300ad...then wow who gave them the sword?
I think the rock art possibly depicting cannibalism is actually not that at all , but is an unfinished work where the artist etched the head and feet first with the intention of filling in the remainder of the body later.
Really enjoyed this.
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You do outstanding work. Thanks very much for sharing it.
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They killed the guy at Chako Canyon for saying they practiced cann-ball----ismm
Thank you for your informative videos and beautiful drone and camera shots. I didn't notice an abundance of wildlife art. Maybe they cannibalised out of necessity? Craig Childs writes some good books on SW culture.
I've always been facinated with the Freemont time period. Your vid was well produced, and effectively paced. Thank you.
I enjoy your program