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In the Horus Heres book: Master of Mankind Big E actually explains why he didnt remove the nails. Basicly its replaced parts of his brain as you said, and removing it would straight up kill him. He said: He is a misshapen tool, but a tool nontheless. Big E didnt really mind the mindless rage as long as he could tell him in which direction he should rage.
Fun as this is, Angron had it bad. Empathetic psychic connection, Eldar making a self fulfilled prophecy on a recently awoken Angron, Dark Age of Technology world of slavers, implantation of the nails and killing his father figure, getting robbed of dying with his family, being forced to serve under an uncaring "father", being unable to feel anything other than pain and rage outside of slaughter, being offered up to Khorne by your brother, and overall never having a real choice.
Angron is soyjak and emperor is chad, ultimately. Angron " noooo you can't leave my fellow slaves to die father!!!" Emperor " eh, we can get you some more".
I fucking blame the elder if they didn't attack Angron he would be manage to escape the slavers and can be a very nobel and honorable Primarch like Senguinous
Fun fact Pre-Heresy Kharn was also friends with Sigismund of the Imperial Fists/Black Templars and they used to duel a lot together. It was from him and his World Eaters the Black Templars took up the tradition of chaining their close combat weapons to their hands.
@Wojciech Pordzik Who's to say that that wasn't his plan all along? That he knowingly let himself be crippled and tied to the throne, he allowed the imperium to turn into an oppressive psychopathic state, and everything else in an effort to ensure humanities survival? Perhaps he knew and planned for all that was going to happen, and has a plan on coming back and saving humanity.
@Wojciech Pordzik I mean Big E gets a lot of crap, but I can see him doing anything to win and keep humanity as a whole safe. It stands to reason that he had to have known the malignant tumors would mess with his plans and turn his kids against him, and that telling them about chaos and the webway project would possibly have turned the ones he didn't want to turn, so he sacrificed those he knew he could ultimately triumph against (horus) or turn back with sincere humility (most of the other traitors primarchs) or would be outright killed (bad batman and the twins) and that sacrificing a few loyal sons would help reinforce the human will to fight, while he got himself mostly dead so that he could be excused from going after them personally so that he could secretly both heal himself and fix the webway tunnel he's got his golden toilet on. Because if he had gone and quickly finished horus like he could have and then went on to personally led the counter attack, Terra would have been overrun with daemons from the webway tunnel (devastating humanity's will to fight) while also running the risk of creating a new massive warp rift similar to the Eye or the Maelstrom and turning humanity into something akin to the eldar, removing the only real threat against chaos.
@Wojciech Pordzik ah and i forgot the part that i like most, because i truly HATE the "Emps was a psychopath" new lore crap... Big E actively loved his sons, but knew all along what was going to happen, so he purged himself of his love and compassion for them to ensure things played out exactly as he wanted it to. I think of it as a Christian God sacrificing His son to save humanity level power play, for the same reasons.
Big E did infact "try" to remove the Butcher's Nails. The simple fact is that it was not known how to remove the Nails without killing him ( I guess ). Big E recruited the famous Magos, Arkhan Land to research into the Nails and find a way to remove them from Angron, without killing him. They never succeded.
@Alkis TX I mean more or less what happened to those legions and how they changed after they were reunited with their primarch. The dusk raiders being the main example terran born loyal astartes and once mortartion came into the picture the dusk raiders were completley reformed into the death guard with their new leaders being from the poisoned world of Barbosa (autocorrect won't let me spell it right) this was the case with most traitor primarch legions it's why horus had to plan the istvan massacre to kill all of the loyalists in the traitors legions.
@Alkis TX yeh like I said tho I'm talking about the legions then the actual primarchs, horus is a good example when he took over the Luna wolves he changed many things about the legion turning it into HIS legion then they eventually became the sons of horus much to the regret of loyalist Luna wolves like garviel loken. Also the war hounds were changed into the savage world eaters and those who refused the butchers nails were killed and those loyal to the emperor had no place in the legion, arguably the only legion pre primarch to stay the same are the imperial heralds now known as the word bearers their interests stayed in line with lorgar.
Still 100k strong while the Space Wolves are around 2k Traitor Legions are more powerful present day than during the Heresy Even without Renegades, Traitor Legions would outnumber and outpower the Loyalist Chapters Only a Primarch like Dorn can beat Kharn. Poor Sigismund didn't stand a chance
@@michellewilt4479 He would have lasted only three seconds if Abaddon was wielding Drach'nyen Abaddon defeated Kharn who defeated Sigismund in his prime
@@christiandauz3742 uhhh Sigismund and Kharn fought before and Siggy won, Kharn barely escaped with his life. Siggy almost won their duel that ultimately killed him. Sigismund was a badass and recognized as the best fighter among all the legions. He also just so happened to be a raging asshole who nobody, not even his daddy, liked. He was like Kharn before Kharn became Khornes bitch. That's why the Black Templars are the raging psychopathic barely-not-khornate-berserkers edge lords they are today, Siggy set them up that way.
I firmly believe the theory that the Emperor planned on replacing the Primarchs and Astartes, like he did the Thunder Warriors. Otherwise his treatment of Angron just makes no damn sense.
No most space marines and Primarchs were stable to enough to a be policing force or even lords. The only two legions that were on the chopping block were the World eaters and Night Lords.
@@Equinox2149 Blood Angels also due to the Red Thirst. Sanginius begged Horus not to tell the Emperor Thousand Sons and Space Wolves also due to their mutations
@@Equinox2149 No in the emperor's plan the night lords were to be the supreme judges of the emprium with Konrad as High judge of the galaxy. Every legion and primarch had a place and a plan. But because of getting scattered across the galaxy and raised by people and cultures that are not the Emporer the all got fucked up even the loyalists. Angron gets treated like he does cause GW writers can be really retarded at times. Like I love em but they have done some really stupid shit.
I like Angron, his berserker fury and total disregard for his own life (and actual battle tactics) can be summed up as such: By his own admission, he died on Nuceria with his gladiator brothers and sisters, all he was now was a ghost desperately seeking death in battle.
Khorne had a really bad choice like: hmmm wich primarch should i pick, one who can conquer an fight wars or one who coulnd’t even conquer a planet hmmm
Well that just shows how inconsistent the lore is. The rulers on Angrons planet weren't soft like on other planets that other primarchs took over. Primarchs are incredible but they are not gods. They are mortal. Could any other primarch match the strength of a Warhound titan? I think not.
It’s actually a really good story, however we also get to watch Puterabo beat the shit out of several primarchs. He just fucking anally destroyed fulgrim, beat the snot out of corvus, and had a fistfight with dorn, which he would’ve won if a building hadn’t fallen on top of him.
What I found interesting after reading the Primarch Novel Angron: Slave of Nuceria, was the legion were like abused kids that desperately wanted the affection of the abusive father, and only by emulating his behavior could they gain anything other than disdain. That was probably the most tragic part for me, that they knew what the nails did to Angron , but were so desperate to be accepted by him that after getting them they already started killing those who refused at first to get them until everybody complied.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
I have to be suspicious about a guy that has a imaginary child that he beats and berates frequently. But I turn a blind eye since said imaginary child is very annoying and might just be the representation of the people he doesn't like.
I do understand the need to respond to more obvious lines of dissention when making ones point. Personally I don't use the image of a malformed child to do it, but that is how Majorkill pictures his detractors.
Emperor: "Are you, uh, a real primarch? Have you ever conquered a planet, like, uh, like a real hive-world? Have you ever tried a strategy?" Angron: "Nah, nah..." Emperor: "Alright! I can see that I will have to teach you, Nothing!"
He had a strategy. Find out how many people lived on a world. Make that number 0. I fleshed the plans out for each planet as best i could, given that all of us would go ape-shit when the fight started
@@thedissatisfactoryman114 I have a theory that Karen's are a greater deamon of chaos undivided the rage of Khorne the excess of Slaneesh the betraying cunning of Tzneetch and the general ickyness of Nurgle especially with her pack of plaguebearers in tow.
"On Armaggedon he got his ass kicked"... Still took a whole Company of Grey Knigths to do it, and they all died in the process, so not much of an "ass kicking" and more a last ditch effort from the imperials
He is a daemon prince for fucks sake. There are other demons that took hive worlds down. There are rebel astartes that took down whole worlds and corrupt more. This is the bare minimum you would expect from a daemon prince.
Also. With the exception of Horus - remade and mindwiped, great guy before that - and Alpharius - the greatest trickster tricked -, most of the primarch just seem like giant butthurt manchildren. I get it. Daddy was an ass. But did any of them tried to defeat chaos gods single-handedly, run a million start system Empire, or rebuild mankind from the age of strife? Geez. Old man wasn't perfect for sure, but I like how they see the splinter in his eye, but not the beam in their own.
Chaos can corrupt Liberal and Conservative people so either way the Emperor and Humanity are fucked Abortions and Unwanted Children fuel the Chaos Gods/Warp
@@christiandauz3742 i meant the pleasure of sex but sure they would had HIV or Sida,the girl could have been virgin,and the sex could have been tge reward for a long planned stratagem by one person to have sex with the other. Sure I can see how all chaos gods are represented.
A Sanguinius vs Angron fight would actually be interesting since Angron is kind of what I imagine Sanguinius could have become if he couldn't control himself. Plus it's literally a battle of angels as they're both called angels. Angron being the red angel and Sanguinius being the angel.
8:00 As far as punishments go, this is actually fitting for Angron. The Romans called it Decimatus. It was the harshest punishment a roman legion could receive, and was used to punish desertion or cowardice. Well, in rome, military service terms were measured in decades. Most of the men in your legion were as close to you as kin, as you've spent years with them. If you deserted on your own, you'd get stoned to death (it's a slow way to die), but if you deserted as part of a group? One tenth of your group would be marked for execution, and the other members would be the ones to do the execution. By stoning.
It’s actually genius. If only some of your group is guilty of cowardice then those people are either forced to stone their brothers to death or be stoned to death
Decimation was the harshest of punishment.. It was more used against people who deserted or didn't obey orders out of fear. They'd pick stones where stones in black meant a death sentence.. But it'd be your best friends who did it. It wasn't stoning it was usually with "Bats" or Iron slaps. The punishment wasn't harshest for the person dying.. But the people who had to beat their best friend to death, and carry that with them in life. (What he references isn't really Decimation).
To be fair, we only have the battle from Angron's perspective. For all we know, Russ didn't have the heart to kill such a pathetic wreck or wipe out such a damaged legion. He did spare Horus out of pitty. Maybe Russ is a soft sentimental soul underneath the exterior.
@@aleksanderhiller7506 lacking the heart to execute Angron doesn't go well with getting stomped into the dirt. Leman's got different skills than Angron, he's a warrior alongside a warlord, and good at both. Angron's just a purebred fighter through and through, he has Leman beat in that arena.
@@Equinox2149 he got a lucky hit into his eye witch just so happens to be his focus point for psyquick energy. Before that Magnus had- punched out his heart, broken every single bone in leman's body, electrocuted him,set him on fire, killed his dogs, dunked his face in acid and oraoraorad him into the dirt where he belongs then was force choking him like Darth Vader.
If it wasnt for the nails he wouldnt be angry all the time and his name wouldnt be Angron , instead he wouldve been named * drum roll * Happyron or Contentron hahaha xD also the Marines wouldve been the World Huggers
Cuddlecles the Gentle Spooner of Worlds. Submit to the emotionally uncomfortable ceramite embrace of the World Huggers. Cringe in discomfort as they are way to emotionally vulnerable and open with your recalcitrant planet! They will wildly misjudge the temperature of your relationship and tell you all the their secret fears and hopes despite only having met you yesterday. Be prepared to be obligated to attend their family get togethers no matter how uncomfortable it makes you. No amount of military resistance will keep them from making themselves at home in your personal life. Kharn :Hey man! I trust you a lot. Did you feel like Lotara was coming on to me last night? PDF soldier: who is this? Kharn: it’s Kharn, we met during the battle yesterday. PDF soldier: The battle we where fighting against each other? How did you get my number you invader scum?! Kharn: I got it off one of your guys we captured. You seemed cool and I knew we would be like brothers. So do you think Lotara was interested in me? I love her so much man. I think she might be the one! PDF soldier: I don’t know who either of you are but you will never enslave our world you butcher! Kharn: This is really important to me dude and I need your advice. Let’s talk about it in person. (The wall explodes inward as Kharn smashes into the bunker for a heart to heart.)
Fabius bile did remove the nails from a World Eater once, they pretty much became his personal assistant who spoke slowly and whatever he said. Moral of the story, don't try and kill fabulous bill
I feel like Angron, Perturbo, and Logar should have never been warriors. They were all so sensitive and calm. They should have been exemplars of humanity's more noble traits, but instead they became the worst of the worst :/
@@darbodrake89 Dude was a boss. Literally meditates and drugs himself into sanity to control the Nails. When shit hits the fan, )or considering it was an Emperor’s Children warband it was probably blood and semen) he lets them bite… and then kills a shittone of the pansies offscreen while Fabius is being a pal with Trazyn. Fucking fantastic.
Why I want Fabius Bile to clone Angron without the butchers nails and have a whole novel or two or even three dedicated to that. Lets say it happened fairly shortly after the Heresy and he was kept as a slave/on ice by Bile only to escape later on and then lets just see what he would be like with a "Sane" mind.
He wouldn't be fully sane. As the Primarchs have warp magic memory, he'd still remember the slavery and all his grief so he'd be a bit unstable, but not nearly as much as normal.
@@Geraduss my bet, probably like fulgrim, unbelievable grief at what he did,and all near consuming shame for what he become Albeit he probably might have a grudge against the eldar, most likely the craft world or drukhari cabal who tried killing him by virtue of the fact they ruined his life and many of the galaxy
"The only legion who negatively benefited from the retreaval of their primarch" Pretty sure some Iron Warriors still have panic attacks from the decimation.
The War hounds and by extension The World Eaters are my favourite legion. After having read the Angron Primarch novel, he’s also my favourite Primarch. Probably one of the saddest Primarch stories.
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It's weird how not all Primarchs turned traitor when you look at how the Emperor treated his subjects, carried himself and went about creating his Imperium. "Hypocritical" is putting it kindly.
Dude that portrait with the emperor and his primarchs are epic with color I like how each one has an rival opposite to them on the other side lemen Russ and Magnus Gullimen and lorgar Dorn and pertorobo Feels good man
4:36 *How do I recruit my son* ? A. Too easy and too obvious B. That's the most 40K thing to do! C. Even more gloriously 40K and would look awesome! D. Come on, that's stupid
I want to ad that Angron was able to strike fear in the Luna Wolfs. By the way i'm talking some scouts or newbies, I'm talking about motherloving Gaviel Loken!
I mean Honor and empathy is what was taken away from him to be fair, so him being so reckless and one that failed the most makes sense. Without empathy he can not connect with others well, nor can he truly think rationally but did at the time value those who would STAND by his side. So what if he failed to take a world? His dad held NO position, nor was he ever treated with some respect like the other primarchs did. However despite how messed up he was he did lead a group of survivors and they in turn were willing to DIE beside ANGRON. That to me shows at the time he could inspire others, did wanted change to be had done for this world of his for he held empathy towards the people in slavery and just wanted freedom. yet big he proves to his own hubres that Angron now embodies is indeed empathy, for instead of showing a caring nature like he did to most of the primarchs he scoffed at him for take for example his meeting with Dorn. Dorn already knew that the Emperor was indeed his true father, handed him a planet but not only that FOUND the phalanx to which the Emperor just was so happy to hear. Angron on the other hand gave him nothing but a broken world, few supporters of his, and not even worth the bother of trying to show Angron that he is here to restore mankind into a new future. Thus Angron has every right to be angry at The Emperor, be bitter towards his sons for he does not know them, his nails are driving him mad, the Emperor did nothing of the sorts to help him, and was always castes out. You also point out Russ won but spared Angron's life because "he felt sorry" in a sense. However without backup from his troops Angron won that 1v1 with RUSS who is a very good fighter. Perturabo starved Angron for days before they fought, Angron was much weaker than this but then it becomes a complete mind vs a over painful unthinkable hunger for blood/death. Gee no wonder why he is one of the worst primarchs because the writers literally write Angron into a horrible corner that no matter what he does he is doomed to fail. This to me however points out that The Emperor is also doomed to fail for he over thinks, he lacks empathy and I mean TRUE empathy, his drive to unite humanity cost humanities soul in the process for you can save as many humans as you want. But the moment you begin to discard humanities hope in something other than machines that can not grant everything to you, forget the basic human rights we in turn value that the Emperor played devil advocate heavily.....Well he messed up yet a vast majority of people will stroke the big E's ego because " all knowing, all powerful, so great he can do anything" which is just meh. By no means am I a fan of his, I'm more of a Dorn, and Khan fan yet still give the man some credit and respect than just slander it down.
1:26 WHAT! angron being empathetic reminds me of the theory that the primarchs are made from parts of the emperors soul. it does make sense why the warhounds always took initiates from murderous psychopaths and why the emperor is so cruel to angron. angron is empathy, and the emperor needed warriors. also there was that theory that big E planned for some of his sons to die, and i would think that he valued empathy highly.
Angron was the personalisation of Brotherhood. He was to be the unifying force to bring the common soldier and astartes to forge bounds through dedication to the common effort of war. You could see remnants of this in Betrayer before it completly collapsed.
The World Eaters are Brotherhood, and personal loyalty. We have loyalty to our brothers and allies, not to massive ideals. The Emperor could have had the most loyal primarch of all if he'd saved Angron'd men during that battle. Being saved from a last stand, and then help to bring down his slavers and the horrific tyrants, Angron would have loved his father
I think the Emperor was either disappointed or sadden by Angrons state either his extraction was a result of the emperor I might as well make the use out of this pice of shit. Or he just wanted to see his son but disgusted by what he had become and rejected him
"Yep, this one's fucking broken. Skip. Besides, It's not like something bad could possibly happen from those Nails." The Emperor, a being capable of popping planets, shitting Warp Storms, appearing in 100 places at the same time, curing every affliction known to man, controlling his form and age, troll gods 24/7, etc.
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It is frustrating that, if the Big E had practiced a bit of the patience he was known for- by putting up with peasants being on his ship for one trip, there would have been one less traitor legion. He might have even had enough troops as a result to ensure his ass was not crippled by Horus.
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Leman Russ might have been raised by wolves, but it didn't stop him from conquering half of Fenris by the time the Emperor arrived. Also Angeron is one of two Primarchs that failed to conquer their respective homeworlds, the second being The Lion because it was actually Luthor who was the one that united the Knightly Orders of Caliban under the Lions banner.
@@Jalabeoth Luther was the one who united the knightly orders under the Lions banner. This is brought up during the Fall of Angels Horus Heresy book after the Lion asks for Nemiel's advice on the Imperial Governor and the Magos of Diamat, which cause Nemial to come to the realization that it was Luther who united the knightly orders of Caliban
That......is not a wrong assessment. I mean, can you blame us? Dude was meant to be compassionate and honorable, but got fucked over by Fate, the planet he landed on, by the Nails, by the Big E himself, and the whole entire universe. He is a depressed as fuck and it's kinda reasonable how he became such.
@@Urd-Vidan Yes. You can feel sorry for someone and still not like them. I feel bad for Chairman Mao because he was incapable of taking criticism. But the guy was a monster, and I sure as shit don't like him.
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Theory: Angron's Primarch Power, and to an extent his legion's specialty, is empathy. To the point where their emotions, and the emotions of others, make 'em stupidly OP.
Angron is "that" Primarch made to be powerful, but thanks to his resurrective powers, he can be beaten back dozen of times just to show how powerful and amazing a character is without any cannon conflicts. It's Chaos version, of the Avatar of Khaine of the Eldar, Saint Celestine of the Imperium, and the Swarmlord of the Tyranids. Also, the fact that his Legion doesnt change his armor colors scheme to be more like her genetic father, shows how much "appreciated" he was. Even Konrad and Perturabo legions at least try to look like and connect with her father. But Angron was widely hated by his enemies, her allies, her own legion and even by himself.
Poor Angron. POOR, POOR ANGRON. All of this because of the bloody, BLOODY, BUTCHER'S NAIL. Edit: BIG E on the other hand should've actually orbital bombed Nuceria and lied to Angron that he didn't knew about him fighting the lords of Nuceria. That and actually tried to fix Angron. He was an uber psyker that was pretty much at this point one step from godhood and could've used biomancy to regenerate Angron's brain.
@@Prince__Teclis The wonders of biomancy is that it automatically regenerates your wounds no matter how grievous they are, while in extreme cases reconstructing whole organs and regrowing limbs. Emps could've simply used this to shut down Angron's pain receptors and cause spontagenous grey matter and vein growth so fast and sudden that Angron's brain would've simply "spit-out" the Butcher's Nail.
@@CommanderBohn From Master of Mankind by Aaron Dembski-Bowden: ‘Can you remove it?’ ‘Of course,’ the Emperor answered, still looking at the screens. Arkhan did his best to hide his surprise. ‘Then, Divine One, why would you leave it there?’ ‘This is why.’ The Emperor rested both hands on Angron’s head, one with the fingertips pressed to the primarch’s temple and cheek, the other pressed to the crown of his shaven head where the cable-tendrils joined the flesh and bone. The images on several screens immediately resolved to a clearer imprint of a brutishly dense skull miserable with crude cybernetics and the bone-scarring of powerful surgical laser cuts. ‘Do you see?’ the Emperor asked. Arkhan saw. The tendrils were sunk deep, rooted in the meat of the brain, threaded to the nervous system, and down in roughly serpentine coils around the spinal column. Every movement must have been agony for the primarch, feeding back into the base emotions of anger and spite. Worse, the brain’s limbic lobe and insular cortex were more than just savaged by the pain engine’s insertion; they had been surgically attacked and removed even before implantation. The device hammered into his skull hadn’t ruined those sections of the brain - it had replaced them. Ugly black cybernetics showed on the internal scans, in place of entire sections of the primarch’s brain tissue. ‘They are the only thing keeping him alive,’ Arkhan said.
Dude the world eaters are my favorite Legion that also have a mobile game about the hourus heresy and the world eaters is one of the legions you can play as you can also play as the death gaurd, emperors children and one other but I forget who I will check
Wait... Primarchs have mothers? Damn i want to know more about that, maybe their mothers had something to do in how each primarch ended up developing genetics-wise. I mean, if it was just the emperors dna they would all kinda look like him right?
The Primarchs mother is the perpetual Erda. Sehr have Big E her DNA and helped him with the gene manipulation. Shortly after that, she regrets everything and turns down the geklärt fields protecting the primarch vault.
Don't feel bad for them, I literally took them just because they has a high massacre count, like seriously Lil E let them go around mass killing for shits and giggles. Hell on one forgotten world they turned it into a mass grave site. No seriously they killed everything on that planet all life from bacteria to plants and animals were killed.
@@MsAssking I still feel bad for them and would like to file a complain there boss Angron was a dick to them all they wanted was some daddy love, but Noooooooooo all they got was some fucking NAILS in there heads
The Primarchs are so OP, even as children, I don't see how they could have successfully kept Angron in any cage. It would have made sense if Angron immediately had the nails shoved into him when first captured, to explain the stupidity. Although then that leaves the question of why Big E wanted him running a Legion. Did the world of Nuceria have Golden Age tech specializing in prisons? Or tracking?
@@LordXarius Look at the timestamp I posted,they're right next to the Ultramarines who are the 13th legion,also Majorkill was off by one digit and said 13th instead of 12th.
The most compelling of World Eaters have always been the Loyalist ones; my favorite of which being Captain Ehrlen, who explained the World Eaters philosophy as "we do terrible things, yes, but war is terrible and we do it better so you (he was talking to a Loyalist Emperor's Children) do not have to". It speaks to the great strength of the Legion being its lost honor amidst mindless rage. Ehrlen would die being stomped to death by his traitor brothers, and not once in the entire sequence would they ever speak or pontificate at each-other -- that simply is not the World Eater way.
Many say that Lorgar or Conrad Kurze were the biggest failures among the Primarchs. But if anyone deserves to be given the biggest failure badge among the 20 Primarchs, Angron comes first place.
@@MR.LMR1996 The thing is that Lorgar was actually a good primarch who cared for his legion even if he was a easily corrupted choir boy, Konard more-or-less just did what he only knew which was inherently 'good' for humanity at large despite the screaming of the tortured and the criminally insane as his sons. The thing is that they TRIED of what they knew or had at the time, even if it wasn't all great in the end.
@@christiandauz3742 yes but they are small minority and they have no major characters,its good that proggresive infection of leftists hasnt yet consumed warhammer
"The only legion that was better off before they met their primarch." - i would say the duskraiders/deathguard where better off without Mortarion too. Not only because he had the legion purged severly but also because the dusk raiders knew tactics.
That and the Dusk Raiders were cool guys that would offer surrender to worthy foes, whereas the Death Guard were spiteful cunts that never offered surrender always ruined every world they stepped on.
I always assumed the Emperor got a woman to donate her eggs to the project. And now that I know a little bit more of Angron before the nails, maybe he didn't want to conquer his world. Being able to take away peoples pain meant he needed to be where the pain was.
@@majorkill I bet Angron could have been that sweetheart bro who would always have a shoulder for you to cry on. Who could also ruthlessly slaughter an army with a chain axe all the same.
the, "The best lore is the lore that isn't wank fest over people dying spectacularly" is simple words but has so much context in today's stories. You have a brilliant point there, simple but stupidly effective, great work!
who would win: a world eater vs a bloodbound, or a 1000 son vs a disciple of tzeentch, or a death guard vs a rotbringer, or a emperor's children vs a hedonite of slaanech
That info is from the latest Siege of Terra novel called Saturnine. Remleiz from 40k Theories talked about this in the latest episode of Adeptus Podcastus.
I laughed so hard when he returns to his planet and is told everyone says he is the biggest coward in the world for leaving his men to die hahaha. Angron just got screwed over left and right. At least Lorgar actually cared for him.
It should have been. big e: join me son. Angron: no. E: fine. Angron returns. E: war hounds. First captain: my Emperor what is your wish. E: go help your father show him what you can do. First: as you wish. First leaving the call open: okay boys daddy is coming home. War hound: yeah
@@Prince__Teclis angron is one of the primarchs I feel like GW has severely underwritten and they made the emperor do things in his origin style that does not seem like the actions of Big E. In the case of angron the emperor instead of clearly doing the right thing and helping angron save his people he kind of just acts like hes too busy to care and basically tells angron his life and the life of his friends mean nothing and that his only purpose should be the great crusade. To me the emperors actions here make no sense this is the same guy who while collecting some of his other sons will spend alot of time with them help them achieve their goals then ask them to join the crusade. To me they really screwed angron over in the writing or more hopefully the emperor did what he did for a reason.
Prince Teclis I do not know is the honest answer angron as mentioned by above comments is a wasted character and world eater a wasted legion. Kharn had to mentally die so that the world eater would not be overpowering because Kharn was acknowledged by other captains as the only one who keep the legion together.
It was rlly interesting, the reason the emperor left the gladiators is because he knew if he saved them, angron would be happy, and the butchers nails would have literally killed him because he wasn’t angry
world eaters look like they got that dawg in them. reasons: chainsaw hands, chainsaw battle axes, kharneth is mostly skulls and chains, and khorne looks like if Ares and Melkor did a fusion dance while on illegal cosmic drugs. kharneth only has one arm that doesn't have armor one, nuff said.
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Imagine being so bad at being a Primarch you end up with nail induced Brain Cancer......
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Yellow bois pls
please do a video about warhammer adventures, don't hold back and just critisise it
In the Horus Heres book: Master of Mankind Big E actually explains why he didnt remove the nails.
Basicly its replaced parts of his brain as you said, and removing it would straight up kill him.
He said: He is a misshapen tool, but a tool nontheless.
Big E didnt really mind the mindless rage as long as he could tell him in which direction he should rage.
Not sure if you did it on purpose or not, but the XIII(13th) legion are the Ultramarines. The XII(12th) are the World Eaters
World Eaters main battle tactic - F1/F3.
that bannerlord reference.. lol
W + M1
I question if he even pressed F6...
A+click
@@Elendir It was from warband first
Fun as this is, Angron had it bad. Empathetic psychic connection, Eldar making a self fulfilled prophecy on a recently awoken Angron, Dark Age of Technology world of slavers, implantation of the nails and killing his father figure, getting robbed of dying with his family, being forced to serve under an uncaring "father", being unable to feel anything other than pain and rage outside of slaughter, being offered up to Khorne by your brother, and overall never having a real choice.
Yeah his tale is less about a rage induced descent and more about a man with no choice or purpose besides killing people always
So a pussy version on Kratos
Angron is soyjak and emperor is chad, ultimately. Angron " noooo you can't leave my fellow slaves to die father!!!" Emperor " eh, we can get you some more".
I fucking blame the elder if they didn't attack Angron he would be manage to escape the slavers and can be a very nobel and honorable Primarch like Senguinous
Fun fact Pre-Heresy Kharn was also friends with Sigismund of the Imperial Fists/Black Templars and they used to duel a lot together. It was from him and his World Eaters the Black Templars took up the tradition of chaining their close combat weapons to their hands.
Angry bois stick together I suppose.
Sigismund died like a boss.
@Lord Balthos Ad Inferni I'd presume it's to keep their weapon close by them.
@@blackhawktalon9971 weaponized autism stick together*
Im sure that knowing that half of Primarchs would betray him, when the Emperor saw Angron he was like "yup this one is a obvious one, thx khorne...."
Honestly it seems like it should’ve been the blood Angels and not the war hounds that were meant to serve Khorne
@@heathenpride7931 Would of been their fate if Sanguinius didn't save them from themselves.
@Wojciech Pordzik Who's to say that that wasn't his plan all along? That he knowingly let himself be crippled and tied to the throne, he allowed the imperium to turn into an oppressive psychopathic state, and everything else in an effort to ensure humanities survival? Perhaps he knew and planned for all that was going to happen, and has a plan on coming back and saving humanity.
@Wojciech Pordzik I mean Big E gets a lot of crap, but I can see him doing anything to win and keep humanity as a whole safe. It stands to reason that he had to have known the malignant tumors would mess with his plans and turn his kids against him, and that telling them about chaos and the webway project would possibly have turned the ones he didn't want to turn, so he sacrificed those he knew he could ultimately triumph against (horus) or turn back with sincere humility (most of the other traitors primarchs) or would be outright killed (bad batman and the twins) and that sacrificing a few loyal sons would help reinforce the human will to fight, while he got himself mostly dead so that he could be excused from going after them personally so that he could secretly both heal himself and fix the webway tunnel he's got his golden toilet on. Because if he had gone and quickly finished horus like he could have and then went on to personally led the counter attack, Terra would have been overrun with daemons from the webway tunnel (devastating humanity's will to fight) while also running the risk of creating a new massive warp rift similar to the Eye or the Maelstrom and turning humanity into something akin to the eldar, removing the only real threat against chaos.
@Wojciech Pordzik ah and i forgot the part that i like most, because i truly HATE the "Emps was a psychopath" new lore crap... Big E actively loved his sons, but knew all along what was going to happen, so he purged himself of his love and compassion for them to ensure things played out exactly as he wanted it to. I think of it as a Christian God sacrificing His son to save humanity level power play, for the same reasons.
Big E did infact "try" to remove the Butcher's Nails.
The simple fact is that it was not known how to remove the Nails without killing him ( I guess ).
Big E recruited the famous Magos, Arkhan Land to research into the Nails and find a way to remove them from Angron, without killing him.
They never succeded.
Morten Olsen and for all that, turns out angron just needed some tea and meditate for a bit.
Shoulda got Crawl on this.
So Angron just needs an Uncle Iroh with him?
Stuttters All of us need an Uncle Iroh
Arkhan land jimmy space and and angry space child
"The only legion that were negatively impacted by the return of their Primarch"
*cough*deathguard*cough*
To be fair you could make a case that all traitor legions were negatively impacted with the return of their primarch.
Yeah riders of the Dusk were noble terran warriors
@Alkis TX I mean more or less what happened to those legions and how they changed after they were reunited with their primarch. The dusk raiders being the main example terran born loyal astartes and once mortartion came into the picture the dusk raiders were completley reformed into the death guard with their new leaders being from the poisoned world of Barbosa (autocorrect won't let me spell it right) this was the case with most traitor primarch legions it's why horus had to plan the istvan massacre to kill all of the loyalists in the traitors legions.
@Alkis TX yeh like I said tho I'm talking about the legions then the actual primarchs, horus is a good example when he took over the Luna wolves he changed many things about the legion turning it into HIS legion then they eventually became the sons of horus much to the regret of loyalist Luna wolves like garviel loken. Also the war hounds were changed into the savage world eaters and those who refused the butchers nails were killed and those loyal to the emperor had no place in the legion, arguably the only legion pre primarch to stay the same are the imperial heralds now known as the word bearers their interests stayed in line with lorgar.
He meant from the start, not soon after that.
They were very angry before turning to chaos and became even angrier after. The End.
Still 100k strong while the Space Wolves are around 2k
Traitor Legions are more powerful present day than during the Heresy
Even without Renegades, Traitor Legions would outnumber and outpower the Loyalist Chapters
Only a Primarch like Dorn can beat Kharn. Poor Sigismund didn't stand a chance
They gained plot armor more thicc than Nurgle's ass .
@@christiandauz3742 If I recall, that story makes it clear that Sigismund would have won had he been in his prime.
@@michellewilt4479
He would have lasted only three seconds if Abaddon was wielding Drach'nyen
Abaddon defeated Kharn who defeated Sigismund in his prime
@@christiandauz3742 uhhh Sigismund and Kharn fought before and Siggy won, Kharn barely escaped with his life. Siggy almost won their duel that ultimately killed him. Sigismund was a badass and recognized as the best fighter among all the legions. He also just so happened to be a raging asshole who nobody, not even his daddy, liked. He was like Kharn before Kharn became Khornes bitch. That's why the Black Templars are the raging psychopathic barely-not-khornate-berserkers edge lords they are today, Siggy set them up that way.
I firmly believe the theory that the Emperor planned on replacing the Primarchs and Astartes, like he did the Thunder Warriors. Otherwise his treatment of Angron just makes no damn sense.
Primarchs were to put in Glided Cages while the unstable Astartes are purged
Horus was right to rebel despite doing it for the wrong reasons
No most space marines and Primarchs were stable to enough to a be policing force or even lords. The only two legions that were on the chopping block were the World eaters and Night Lords.
@@Equinox2149 and the word bearers at one point
@@Equinox2149
Blood Angels also due to the Red Thirst. Sanginius begged Horus not to tell the Emperor
Thousand Sons and Space Wolves also due to their mutations
@@Equinox2149 No in the emperor's plan the night lords were to be the supreme judges of the emprium with Konrad as High judge of the galaxy. Every legion and primarch had a place and a plan. But because of getting scattered across the galaxy and raised by people and cultures that are not the Emporer the all got fucked up even the loyalists. Angron gets treated like he does cause GW writers can be really retarded at times. Like I love em but they have done some really stupid shit.
I like Angron, his berserker fury and total disregard for his own life (and actual battle tactics) can be summed up as such:
By his own admission, he died on Nuceria with his gladiator brothers and sisters, all he was now was a ghost desperately seeking death in battle.
I can summarize them quicker
"Blood, more BLOOD!!!!!"
You're just pissed that you're half dead
@@MsAssking You off all peop... No you're not a person people have good qualites. None the less you should know I will always be stronger than you.
You forgot the part where Perturabo beat Angron with a shovel.
At least Khorne can stand up from his rad throne
@@Thomas-xj3ts Perturabo went *"Shovel Knight"* mode
The last time I was this early the emperor was considering to abort angron
I'm still deciding
So you've been early often?
Didn't he consider killing him when he found out he couldn't remove the nails?
That’s a good idea!
Emperor of Mankind We decided long ago when those fucks invaded terra
Khorne had a really bad choice like: hmmm wich primarch should i pick, one who can conquer an fight wars or one who coulnd’t even conquer a planet hmmm
Khorne wanted Sanguinius
@@majorkill True and all he got from him when his lackey tried to recruit him was beatdown and finger :)
Majorkill a yea thats why he got his angel wings, forgot about that xd
Well that just shows how inconsistent the lore is. The rulers on Angrons planet weren't soft like on other planets that other primarchs took over. Primarchs are incredible but they are not gods. They are mortal. Could any other primarch match the strength of a Warhound titan? I think not.
Hes the most straight fowardly murdery, Kurze has too much crossover with Slaanesh.
I can't believe generic Purterabo beat literal demon prince Angron.
He really is just a punching bag for writers to throw under the bus.
Because he used firepower and his intelligence, kinda anathemic to straight forward brute rage. Daemon Prince Angron is just a broken monster.
because angron is a fucking waterbrain that charges headfirst into artillery and gets surprised when he loses
It’s actually a really good story, however we also get to watch Puterabo beat the shit out of several primarchs. He just fucking anally destroyed fulgrim, beat the snot out of corvus, and had a fistfight with dorn, which he would’ve won if a building hadn’t fallen on top of him.
@@nathanieleck1023 Really? He beat Corvus? Man, Lorgar needs to take a few classes.
@@Tacoguy1000 to be fair, it was pre heresy after horuses cursed grudge match, and it was just fists, and I guess peurturabo has some big fists.
What I found interesting after reading the Primarch Novel Angron: Slave of Nuceria, was the legion were like abused kids that desperately wanted the affection of the abusive father, and only by emulating his behavior could they gain anything other than disdain. That was probably the most tragic part for me, that they knew what the nails did to Angron , but were so desperate to be accepted by him that after getting them they already started killing those who refused at first to get them until everybody complied.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
Its sad really, the war hounds while respected were still seen as savages and disdained by the other legions. Even back then they didn't feel a need to hide their love of killing/their joy in the pure simplicity of their perceived role as warriors. Not honorable knights, or grand champions, or overly drilled soldiers. But simple warriors who fought with a bond and unity borne of family like familiarity. All they had was each other really and when they found Angron they so so so much wanted his vindication that not only were they good warriors but the way they lived without shame in their blood shedding was perfectly fine and normal. Only to find that he was so so so so much more blood thirsty and undisciplined then them that he was slowly turning them into a microcosm of how the other legions viewed them. They started seeing him as a savage and as broken. So instead of going through that pain, they just broke themselves to his level.
I have to be suspicious about a guy that has a imaginary child that he beats and berates frequently. But I turn a blind eye since said imaginary child is very annoying and might just be the representation of the people he doesn't like.
I do understand the need to respond to more obvious lines of dissention when making ones point. Personally I don't use the image of a malformed child to do it, but that is how Majorkill pictures his detractors.
Emperor: "Are you, uh, a real primarch? Have you ever conquered a planet, like, uh, like a real hive-world? Have you ever tried a strategy?"
Angron: "Nah, nah..."
Emperor: "Alright! I can see that I will have to teach you, Nothing!"
He had a strategy.
Find out how many people lived on a world.
Make that number 0.
I fleshed the plans out for each planet as best i could, given that all of us would go ape-shit when the fight started
@@Canadian_Zac Great RP there... Man... (Child)
Your cabin fever add's a tiny bit more spice to this.
New lore: Karen took the kids.
it more like karen took the kids put them on a cab and told the cab driver to drop them off wherever.
Karen being chaos?
@@thedissatisfactoryman114 no Karen is the primarch s mum
@@thedissatisfactoryman114 I have a theory that Karen's are a greater deamon of chaos undivided the rage of Khorne the excess of Slaneesh the betraying cunning of Tzneetch and the general ickyness of Nurgle especially with her pack of plaguebearers in tow.
"On Armaggedon he got his ass kicked"...
Still took a whole Company of Grey Knigths to do it, and they all died in the process, so not much of an "ass kicking" and more a last ditch effort from the imperials
He still got his ass kicked
He also killed a very large number of space wolves, like, a very large number.
@@nathanieleck1023 True but he did still lose
He is a daemon prince for fucks sake. There are other demons that took hive worlds down. There are rebel astartes that took down whole worlds and corrupt more. This is the bare minimum you would expect from a daemon prince.
Also. With the exception of Horus - remade and mindwiped, great guy before that - and Alpharius - the greatest trickster tricked -, most of the primarch just seem like giant butthurt manchildren. I get it. Daddy was an ass. But did any of them tried to defeat chaos gods single-handedly, run a million start system Empire, or rebuild mankind from the age of strife? Geez. Old man wasn't perfect for sure, but I like how they see the splinter in his eye, but not the beam in their own.
The Emperor should never have overturned Roe v Wade...
Chaos can corrupt Liberal and Conservative people so either way the Emperor and Humanity are fucked
Abortions and Unwanted Children fuel the Chaos Gods/Warp
@@christiandauz3742 true. No matter what you chose for sure you served Slaanesh
@@alexandrub8786
Prefer Chaos Undivided
@@christiandauz3742 i meant the pleasure of sex but sure they would had HIV or Sida,the girl could have been virgin,and the sex could have been tge reward for a long planned stratagem by one person to have sex with the other. Sure I can see how all chaos gods are represented.
UHHHHH...SO.
I'm 2 years in the future.
Hello! Uh, they have now.
"only legion who negatively benefited off the retrieval of their primarch"
IRON WARRIORS: are we a joke to you?!
......yes
death guard???
Don't forget the word bearers or the night lords
Night Lords : thats cutr
A Sanguinius vs Angron fight would actually be interesting since Angron is kind of what I imagine Sanguinius could have become if he couldn't control himself. Plus it's literally a battle of angels as they're both called angels. Angron being the red angel and Sanguinius being the angel.
They did and Sanguinius won by using Angron's rage against him.
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As far as punishments go, this is actually fitting for Angron. The Romans called it Decimatus. It was the harshest punishment a roman legion could receive, and was used to punish desertion or cowardice.
Well, in rome, military service terms were measured in decades. Most of the men in your legion were as close to you as kin, as you've spent years with them. If you deserted on your own, you'd get stoned to death (it's a slow way to die), but if you deserted as part of a group? One tenth of your group would be marked for execution, and the other members would be the ones to do the execution. By stoning.
It wasn't always stoning. Crassus was reported to use rods of wood on the legionaries who ran from the battle against Spartacus.
It’s actually genius. If only some of your group is guilty of cowardice then those people are either forced to stone their brothers to death or be stoned to death
Decimation was the harshest of punishment.. It was more used against people who deserted or didn't obey orders out of fear. They'd pick stones where stones in black meant a death sentence.. But it'd be your best friends who did it. It wasn't stoning it was usually with "Bats" or Iron slaps. The punishment wasn't harshest for the person dying.. But the people who had to beat their best friend to death, and carry that with them in life. (What he references isn't really Decimation).
you will never stop me from fanboying over the world eaters. i love them.
i love the use of this peaceful little song in the backround of this particular video
Leman: The Emperor’s Executioner.
Also Leman: Can’t even kill his mistake of a brother who is a danger to himself, his legion, and the Imperium
To be fair, we only have the battle from Angron's perspective.
For all we know, Russ didn't have the heart to kill such a pathetic wreck or wipe out such a damaged legion.
He did spare Horus out of pitty. Maybe Russ is a soft sentimental soul underneath the exterior.
@@aleksanderhiller7506 lacking the heart to execute Angron doesn't go well with getting stomped into the dirt. Leman's got different skills than Angron, he's a warrior alongside a warlord, and good at both.
Angron's just a purebred fighter through and through, he has Leman beat in that arena.
@@fiddlesticks7245 leman also has krillin luck. Every time he fights a primarch he loses
@@josemontalvomelendez5642 What about Magnus?
@@Equinox2149 he got a lucky hit into his eye witch just so happens to be his focus point for psyquick energy. Before that Magnus had- punched out his heart, broken every single bone in leman's body, electrocuted him,set him on fire, killed his dogs, dunked his face in acid and oraoraorad him into the dirt where he belongs then was force choking him like Darth Vader.
If it wasnt for the nails he wouldnt be angry all the time and his name wouldnt be Angron , instead he wouldve been named * drum roll *
Happyron or Contentron hahaha xD also the Marines wouldve been the World Huggers
hotwheelsmark or The World Greaters
Cuddlecles the Gentle Spooner of Worlds. Submit to the emotionally uncomfortable ceramite embrace of the World Huggers. Cringe in discomfort as they are way to emotionally vulnerable and open with your recalcitrant planet! They will wildly misjudge the temperature of your relationship and tell you all the their secret fears and hopes despite only having met you yesterday. Be prepared to be obligated to attend their family get togethers no matter how uncomfortable it makes you. No amount of military resistance will keep them from making themselves at home in your personal life.
Kharn :Hey man! I trust you a lot. Did you feel like Lotara was coming on to me last night?
PDF soldier: who is this?
Kharn: it’s Kharn, we met during the battle yesterday.
PDF soldier: The battle we where fighting against each other? How did you get my number you invader scum?!
Kharn: I got it off one of your guys we captured. You seemed cool and I knew we would be like brothers. So do you think Lotara was interested in me? I love her so much man. I think she might be the one!
PDF soldier: I don’t know who either of you are but you will never enslave our world you butcher!
Kharn: This is really important to me dude and I need your advice. Let’s talk about it in person.
(The wall explodes inward as Kharn smashes into the bunker for a heart to heart.)
Imagine the Imperium with another, more fanatic version of the Salamanders.
Literally there when the plot needs a badass punching bag. As is the same with every bloodthirster and all of khornes men
Fabius bile did remove the nails from a World Eater once, they pretty much became his personal assistant who spoke slowly and whatever he said. Moral of the story, don't try and kill fabulous bill
What novel did this happen in?
@@tappingninja Fabius Bile Repairer of Ruin, it's when Fabius raids Horus' tomb. A fun audio drama with Fabius being a madlad.
Makes sense that removing the nails practically lobotimizes you.
Don't forget that The Warhounds
fought thunder Warriors during the "Cerberus Insurrection"
Before angron was rediscovered.
I feel like Angron, Perturbo, and Logar should have never been warriors. They were all so sensitive and calm. They should have been exemplars of humanity's more noble traits, but instead they became the worst of the worst :/
Imagine trying to gaslight an entire fandom about their fan favourite and one of the best legions written about in the Horus Heresy... and succeeding
This post was made by the Loyalist World Eater Gang
@@majorkill Indeed.. which novel was the meditating dude from by the by?
Lmao
@@fin4889 primogenitor, the series on the whole is fantastic, Arrian is one of my favorite characters.
@@darbodrake89
Dude was a boss.
Literally meditates and drugs himself into sanity to control the Nails.
When shit hits the fan, )or considering it was an Emperor’s Children warband it was probably blood and semen) he lets them bite… and then kills a shittone of the pansies offscreen while Fabius is being a pal with Trazyn.
Fucking fantastic.
Why I want Fabius Bile to clone Angron without the butchers nails and have a whole novel or two or even three dedicated to that. Lets say it happened fairly shortly after the Heresy and he was kept as a slave/on ice by Bile only to escape later on and then lets just see what he would be like with a "Sane" mind.
He wouldn't be fully sane. As the Primarchs have warp magic memory, he'd still remember the slavery and all his grief so he'd be a bit unstable, but not nearly as much as normal.
@@Prince__Teclis Indeed, how would the empathic honor cored man that Angron was ment to be handle those memmories would be an interesting insight.
@@Geraduss my bet, probably like fulgrim, unbelievable grief at what he did,and all near consuming shame for what he become
Albeit he probably might have a grudge against the eldar, most likely the craft world or drukhari cabal who tried killing him by virtue of the fact they ruined his life and many of the galaxy
The hinted at Thunder Warrior turned World Eater was pretty badass, stayed loyal and never got nor need the nails.
"The only legion who negatively benefited from the retreaval of their primarch"
Pretty sure some Iron Warriors still have panic attacks from the decimation.
And the Death Guard. And the Night Lords. And the Word Bearers.
The War hounds and by extension The World Eaters are my favourite legion. After having read the Angron Primarch novel, he’s also my favourite Primarch. Probably one of the saddest Primarch stories.
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The reason Angron killed all his pyskers was because whenever a psyker stood next to him it would mess with the butcher nails and cause immense pain
11:19 You keep talking about these thing, these "Tactics"...
What good are they when you die from a Chain-axe to the face?...
Tactics will prevent that from happening
Warlord Queek, no, tactics is the fact of what happens to the guy who chain axed you in the face after he finishes with you
@@nathanieleck1023 You must have pretty bad tactics than cause perturabo actually used strategy and angron got his ass kicked by the iron warriors
*Cries in Thousand Son*
It's weird how not all Primarchs turned traitor when you look at how the Emperor treated his subjects, carried himself and went about creating his Imperium. "Hypocritical" is putting it kindly.
Dude that portrait with the emperor and his primarchs are epic with color
I like how each one has an rival opposite to them on the other side lemen Russ and Magnus
Gullimen and lorgar
Dorn and pertorobo
Feels good man
Iron Warriors should totally be next love the content btw you beautiful Aussie.
Lehor in Black Legion was pretty lvl headed all things considered.
4:36 *How do I recruit my son* ?
A. Too easy and too obvious
B. That's the most 40K thing to do!
C. Even more gloriously 40K and would look awesome!
D. Come on, that's stupid
*slams the D button repeatedly*
U missed kharn's best quote during the fight "get up"
Kharn didn't fight Angron. He let the primarch beat on him until Angron calmed down.
I want to ad that Angron was able to strike fear in the Luna Wolfs. By the way i'm talking some scouts or newbies, I'm talking about motherloving Gaviel Loken!
Ill be quite honest, angron is still ome of my fav primarchs
When MajorKill says "Good day F heads" ... all I think is "it is a good day!"
Do you think if the damn Eldar didn't try to clap Angron's cheeks after leaving his pod maybe his future would have been completely different?
Seriously, they should have just gone off and hatefucked each other to death or something, smdh
I mean Honor and empathy is what was taken away from him to be fair, so him being so reckless and one that failed the most makes sense. Without empathy he can not connect with others well, nor can he truly think rationally but did at the time value those who would STAND by his side.
So what if he failed to take a world? His dad held NO position, nor was he ever treated with some respect like the other primarchs did. However despite how messed up he was he did lead a group of survivors and they in turn were willing to DIE beside ANGRON. That to me shows at the time he could inspire others, did wanted change to be had done for this world of his for he held empathy towards the people in slavery and just wanted freedom.
yet big he proves to his own hubres that Angron now embodies is indeed empathy, for instead of showing a caring nature like he did to most of the primarchs he scoffed at him for take for example his meeting with Dorn. Dorn already knew that the Emperor was indeed his true father, handed him a planet but not only that FOUND the phalanx to which the Emperor just was so happy to hear.
Angron on the other hand gave him nothing but a broken world, few supporters of his, and not even worth the bother of trying to show Angron that he is here to restore mankind into a new future. Thus Angron has every right to be angry at The Emperor, be bitter towards his sons for he does not know them, his nails are driving him mad, the Emperor did nothing of the sorts to help him, and was always castes out.
You also point out Russ won but spared Angron's life because "he felt sorry" in a sense. However without backup from his troops Angron won that 1v1 with RUSS who is a very good fighter. Perturabo starved Angron for days before they fought, Angron was much weaker than this but then it becomes a complete mind vs a over painful unthinkable hunger for blood/death. Gee no wonder why he is one of the worst primarchs because the writers literally write Angron into a horrible corner that no matter what he does he is doomed to fail. This to me however points out that The Emperor is also doomed to fail for he over thinks, he lacks empathy and I mean TRUE empathy, his drive to unite humanity cost humanities soul in the process for you can save as many humans as you want. But the moment you begin to discard humanities hope in something other than machines that can not grant everything to you, forget the basic human rights we in turn value that the Emperor played devil advocate heavily.....Well he messed up yet a vast majority of people will stroke the big E's ego because " all knowing, all powerful, so great he can do anything" which is just meh.
By no means am I a fan of his, I'm more of a Dorn, and Khan fan yet still give the man some credit and respect than just slander it down.
The family friendly intro was gone fast! Patreon finally doing it's just effect!
1:26 WHAT!
angron being empathetic reminds me of the theory that the primarchs are made from parts of the emperors soul. it does make sense why the warhounds always took initiates from murderous psychopaths and why the emperor is so cruel to angron. angron is empathy, and the emperor needed warriors. also there was that theory that big E planned for some of his sons to die, and i would think that he valued empathy highly.
Angron was the personalisation of Brotherhood. He was to be the unifying force to bring the common soldier and astartes to forge bounds through dedication to the common effort of war. You could see remnants of this in Betrayer before it completly collapsed.
The World Eaters are Brotherhood, and personal loyalty.
We have loyalty to our brothers and allies, not to massive ideals.
The Emperor could have had the most loyal primarch of all if he'd saved Angron'd men during that battle.
Being saved from a last stand, and then help to bring down his slavers and the horrific tyrants, Angron would have loved his father
I think the Emperor was either disappointed or sadden by Angrons state either his extraction was a result of the emperor I might as well make the use out of this pice of shit. Or he just wanted to see his son but disgusted by what he had become and rejected him
Angron, inheriting the "Angry For All the Right Reasons" Gene
"Yep, this one's fucking broken. Skip.
Besides, It's not like something bad could possibly happen from those Nails."
The Emperor, a being capable of popping planets, shitting Warp Storms, appearing in 100 places at the same time, curing every affliction known to man, controlling his form and age, troll gods 24/7, etc.
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Offttt rough times for ya
When I got into the 40k universe and watched some OneMindSyndicate videos I thought I just had a very low attention span, turns out many agree that they are sleep inducing. Glad there are many better alternatives on TH-cam.
It is frustrating that, if the Big E had practiced a bit of the patience he was known for- by putting up with peasants being on his ship for one trip, there would have been one less traitor legion.
He might have even had enough troops as a result to ensure his ass was not crippled by Horus.
Konrads fall was tragic.
Warhound is a way better name then world eaters, also their armour is amazing.
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Leman Russ might have been raised by wolves, but it didn't stop him from conquering half of Fenris by the time the Emperor arrived.
Also Angeron is one of two Primarchs that failed to conquer their respective homeworlds, the second being The Lion because it was actually Luthor who was the one that united the Knightly Orders of Caliban under the Lions banner.
3, mortarion
the lion crusaded as head of the order and destroyed the chaos beasts on his planet. Aka conquering the planet.
@@Jalabeoth Luther was the one who united the knightly orders under the Lions banner.
This is brought up during the Fall of Angels Horus Heresy book after the Lion asks for Nemiel's advice on the Imperial Governor and the Magos of Diamat, which cause Nemial to come to the realization that it was Luther who united the knightly orders of Caliban
The main reason people like Angron is because they feel so sorry for him
That......is not a wrong assessment. I mean, can you blame us? Dude was meant to be compassionate and honorable, but got fucked over by Fate, the planet he landed on, by the Nails, by the Big E himself, and the whole entire universe. He is a depressed as fuck and it's kinda reasonable how he became such.
That and we think he has a decent point.
@@Urd-Vidan Yes. You can feel sorry for someone and still not like them. I feel bad for Chairman Mao because he was incapable of taking criticism. But the guy was a monster, and I sure as shit don't like him.
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Theory: Angron's Primarch Power, and to an extent his legion's specialty, is empathy.
To the point where their emotions, and the emotions of others, make 'em stupidly OP.
Angron is "that" Primarch made to be powerful, but thanks to his resurrective powers, he can be beaten back dozen of times just to show how powerful and amazing a character is without any cannon conflicts.
It's Chaos version, of the Avatar of Khaine of the Eldar, Saint Celestine of the Imperium, and the Swarmlord of the Tyranids.
Also, the fact that his Legion doesnt change his armor colors scheme to be more like her genetic father, shows how much "appreciated" he was. Even Konrad and Perturabo legions at least try to look like and connect with her father. But Angron was widely hated by his enemies, her allies, her own legion and even by himself.
Poor Angron. POOR, POOR ANGRON. All of this because of the bloody, BLOODY, BUTCHER'S NAIL.
Edit: BIG E on the other hand should've actually orbital bombed Nuceria and lied to Angron that he didn't knew about him fighting the lords of Nuceria. That and actually tried to fix Angron. He was an uber psyker that was pretty much at this point one step from godhood and could've used biomancy to regenerate Angron's brain.
Pretty sure they tried. But removing the nails would kill him.
@@Prince__Teclis The wonders of biomancy is that it automatically regenerates your wounds no matter how grievous they are, while in extreme cases reconstructing whole organs and regrowing limbs. Emps could've simply used this to shut down Angron's pain receptors and cause spontagenous grey matter and vein growth so fast and sudden that Angron's brain would've simply "spit-out" the Butcher's Nail.
@@CommanderBohn From Master of Mankind by Aaron Dembski-Bowden:
‘Can you remove it?’
‘Of course,’ the Emperor answered, still looking at the screens. Arkhan did his best to hide his surprise. ‘Then, Divine One, why would you leave it there?’
‘This is why.’ The Emperor rested both hands on Angron’s head, one with the fingertips pressed to the primarch’s temple and cheek, the other pressed to the crown of his shaven head where the cable-tendrils joined the flesh and bone. The images on several screens immediately resolved to a clearer imprint of a brutishly dense skull miserable with crude cybernetics and the bone-scarring of powerful surgical laser cuts.
‘Do you see?’ the Emperor asked.
Arkhan saw. The tendrils were sunk deep, rooted in the meat of the brain, threaded to the nervous system, and down in roughly serpentine coils around the spinal column. Every movement must have been agony for the primarch, feeding back into the base emotions of anger and spite.
Worse, the brain’s limbic lobe and insular cortex were more than just savaged by the pain engine’s insertion; they had been surgically attacked and removed even before implantation. The device hammered into his skull hadn’t ruined those sections of the brain - it had replaced them. Ugly black cybernetics showed on the internal scans, in place of entire sections of the primarch’s brain tissue.
‘They are the only thing keeping him alive,’ Arkhan said.
@@Prince__Teclis OK, so maybe Eldar tech would've saved him...or dipping his head in Necrodermis.
Dude the world eaters are my favorite Legion that also have a mobile game about the hourus heresy and the world eaters is one of the legions you can play as you can also play as the death gaurd, emperors children and one other but I forget who I will check
Edit: the last Legion is the sons of hourus
Wait... Primarchs have mothers? Damn i want to know more about that, maybe their mothers had something to do in how each primarch ended up developing genetics-wise. I mean, if it was just the emperors dna they would all kinda look like him right?
The Primarchs mother is the perpetual Erda. Sehr have Big E her DNA and helped him with the gene manipulation. Shortly after that, she regrets everything and turns down the geklärt fields protecting the primarch vault.
The 12th Legion World Eaters. 13th Legion are the Ultrasmurfs.
I feel bad for the War Hounds
Don't feel bad for them, I literally took them just because they has a high massacre count, like seriously Lil E let them go around mass killing for shits and giggles. Hell on one forgotten world they turned it into a mass grave site. No seriously they killed everything on that planet all life from bacteria to plants and animals were killed.
@@MsAssking I still feel bad for them and would like to file a complain there boss Angron was a dick to them all they wanted was some daddy love, but Noooooooooo all they got was some fucking NAILS in there heads
You are just spewing out content! Love it
To be fair to Lemman, Hrus Ordered him to nuke Magnus' red ass
Grimnar Magnus did nothing wrong!
The Primarchs are so OP, even as children, I don't see how they could have successfully kept Angron in any cage. It would have made sense if Angron immediately had the nails shoved into him when first captured, to explain the stupidity. Although then that leaves the question of why Big E wanted him running a Legion. Did the world of Nuceria have Golden Age tech specializing in prisons? Or tracking?
I think the nails were gold age tec. To be honest
1:36 You mean the 12th legion right?
No it’s the 18th legion
@@LordXarius Look at the timestamp I posted,they're right next to the Ultramarines who are the 13th legion,also Majorkill was off by one digit and said 13th instead of 12th.
shhhhhhhh
@@majorkill You can't silence the truth!!
The most compelling of World Eaters have always been the Loyalist ones; my favorite of which being Captain Ehrlen, who explained the World Eaters philosophy as "we do terrible things, yes, but war is terrible and we do it better so you (he was talking to a Loyalist Emperor's Children) do not have to". It speaks to the great strength of the Legion being its lost honor amidst mindless rage. Ehrlen would die being stomped to death by his traitor brothers, and not once in the entire sequence would they ever speak or pontificate at each-other -- that simply is not the World Eater way.
I can't unsee the KKK on angrons armor. He's just the worst.
Many say that Lorgar or Conrad Kurze were the biggest failures among the Primarchs. But if anyone deserves to be given the biggest failure badge among the 20 Primarchs, Angron comes first place.
@@MR.LMR1996 The thing is that Lorgar was actually a good primarch who cared for his legion even if he was a easily corrupted choir boy, Konard more-or-less just did what he only knew which was inherently 'good' for humanity at large despite the screaming of the tortured and the criminally insane as his sons. The thing is that they TRIED of what they knew or had at the time, even if it wasn't all great in the end.
Angron isn't racist and Kharn is part-Asian (he is from Siberia)
Black Space Marines and Black World Eaters are Canon
@@christiandauz3742 yes but they are small minority and they have no major characters,its good that proggresive infection of leftists hasnt yet consumed warhammer
@@crocrox2273 * points at the salamanders*
"The only legion that was better off before they met their primarch." - i would say the duskraiders/deathguard where better off without Mortarion too. Not only because he had the legion purged severly but also because the dusk raiders knew tactics.
That and the Dusk Raiders were cool guys that would offer surrender to worthy foes, whereas the Death Guard were spiteful cunts that never offered surrender always ruined every world they stepped on.
12th Legion actually not the 13th
Love how the emperor stepped is so that angron wouldn’t embarrass himself in failing to conquer his home.
Angry bois
Rogal, its Angrons time now. Go build a wall or something.
Angron could never get past my wall
@@jameslusk5894 Unrivaled rage can not be stopped, not even by the biggest and most golden wall.
Seletron haha, wall gun go brrr
@@jameslusk5894 It does indeed.
Angron is a prime example of how terrible a father the Emperor was.
That millionaire question fucking killed me hahahaha
I always assumed the Emperor got a woman to donate her eggs to the project.
And now that I know a little bit more of Angron before the nails, maybe he didn't want to conquer his world.
Being able to take away peoples pain meant he needed to be where the pain was.
He tried to take over the world and got reckt
@@majorkill I bet Angron could have been that sweetheart bro who would always have a shoulder for you to cry on.
Who could also ruthlessly slaughter an army with a chain axe all the same.
I loved this.
the, "The best lore is the lore that isn't wank fest over people dying spectacularly" is simple words but has so much context in today's stories. You have a brilliant point there, simple but stupidly effective, great work!
Hahah man i love Angron but this was entertaining
Man your writing has became so much better over the time. Great video!
bruh everyone missed that
who would win: a world eater vs a bloodbound, or a 1000 son vs a disciple of tzeentch, or a death guard vs a rotbringer, or a emperor's children vs a hedonite of slaanech
1:26 Can I get a link to that info? Genuinely curious.
That info is from the latest Siege of Terra novel called Saturnine.
Remleiz from 40k Theories talked about this in the latest episode of Adeptus Podcastus.
@@LocalHeretic-ck1kd Thank you.
To answer the “why leman Russ” question. Leman almost certainly was involved in retrieving and judging the lost Primarchs.
Lets be real: No other chapter or legion name will be as cool as the World Eaters.
Except the Word Eaters.
Rainbow Warriors, nuff said.
Kharn is my favourite traitor. Guy is a fucking GIGACHAD
Alpha legion video please
They really straight up named him Angron though...
I laughed so hard when he returns to his planet and is told everyone says he is the biggest coward in the world for leaving his men to die hahaha. Angron just got screwed over left and right. At least Lorgar actually cared for him.
It should have been. big e: join me son. Angron: no. E: fine. Angron returns. E: war hounds. First captain: my Emperor what is your wish. E: go help your father show him what you can do. First: as you wish. First leaving the call open: okay boys daddy is coming home. War hound: yeah
@@tylerghersinich576 Doesn't Angron question why the Emperor didn't do that?
@@Prince__Teclis angron is one of the primarchs I feel like GW has severely underwritten and they made the emperor do things in his origin style that does not seem like the actions of Big E. In the case of angron the emperor instead of clearly doing the right thing and helping angron save his people he kind of just acts like hes too busy to care and basically tells angron his life and the life of his friends mean nothing and that his only purpose should be the great crusade. To me the emperors actions here make no sense this is the same guy who while collecting some of his other sons will spend alot of time with them help them achieve their goals then ask them to join the crusade. To me they really screwed angron over in the writing or more hopefully the emperor did what he did for a reason.
Prince Teclis I do not know is the honest answer angron as mentioned by above comments is a wasted character and world eater a wasted legion. Kharn had to mentally die so that the world eater would not be overpowering because Kharn was acknowledged by other captains as the only one who keep the legion together.
It was rlly interesting, the reason the emperor left the gladiators is because he knew if he saved them, angron would be happy, and the butchers nails would have literally killed him because he wasn’t angry
Angron is just Space Spartacus with anger issues
Change my mind
@@user-dg2ub7rn8i to qoute Rogal Dorn
'No'
world eaters look like they got that dawg in them. reasons: chainsaw hands, chainsaw battle axes, kharneth is mostly skulls and chains, and khorne looks like if Ares and Melkor did a fusion dance while on illegal cosmic drugs. kharneth only has one arm that doesn't have armor one, nuff said.