Aegon’s Prophecy: Will Jon Snow and House Stark Save Westeros? (House of the Dragon)
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- In the final moments of the #HouseoftheDragon premiere, Viserys Targaryen tells his daughter Rhaenyra about Aegon the Conqueror's prophetic dream which drove him to make his conquest of Westeros. What does the prophecy mean? How was it transferred to Viserys? How does it involve familiar faces like Rhaegar Targaryen and Jon Snow? Let's find out.
Timestamps:
Intro & Notes on Canon 0:00-2:12
Daenys the Dreamer 2:12-2:57
Aegon's Prophecy 2:57-6:57
Prophecy Transmission 6:57-9:21
Rhaegar Implications 9:21-13:53
Pact of Ice & Fire 13:53-16:40
Outro 16:40-17:38 - บันเทิง
I think I heard this theory on Grey Area’s channel, but I thought it was cool: Aegon did tell Cregan Stark about the prophecy, and the Starks passed it down to their heirs like the Targaryens. The reason they don’t know about it at the start of the series is because both the Lord (Rickard Stark) and the heir (Brandon Stark) were killed at the same time by the Mad King. Ned was never supposed to be the Lord of Winterfell, so they never told him. I thought it was a cool parallel to the Targaryens who also died before passing it down at some point.
The Starks already knew about the others in the north the Targaryens and the Starks was supposed to have a child (the pact of ice and fire) which will make that child the prince that was promised with descendants of old Valyria and the descendants of the kings of winter
aegon the conqueror : "a targaryen must sit on the iron throne"
D&D : "wHaT tHrOnE??"
😂
Also notice how the Starks at the end of HotD stick around to put a Targaryen on the throne and nothing else when they really could have taken power
I hope the spin off with Jon Snow. The night king comes back and Jon he finds a dragon egg and gives all of them the finger and flies away, because he's the true king. Bran knows there must always be a Targaryen on the throne yet he put his handicap tail in the seat.
@@ddnlee24 Thats if he truly is Bran lol. If he's the 3ER then technically a Targaryen's on the throne in a stark's body.
I hope the Snow show doesn’t happen, he killed my queen, he should have been executed by Grey Worm
The ironic twist of the conquest is it started the slow decline of the Night's Watch. Without the constant war in the realms, defeated warriors was rarely sent to the wall.
Wow I never thought about it that way
Also, I feel like the stuff we're given/told in House of the Dragon could be considered in line w/ book canon since GRRM is credited as being one of the writers for HotD. He wasn't actively involved in the writing of GOT, he just gave D&D notes on where he planned on ending up and the broad strokes of how he'd get there. D&D had to fill in the blanks and they failed miserably
That's not how 'Canon' works. His books concerning this period are already written. The show is not ADDING to them, it is trying to INTERPRET Canon in a way that makes sense for the TV Viewer.
Take the 'Ten Commandments' movie with Charleston Heston. He plays the *biblical Moses,* and in the Movie version there is a _relationship_ and plenty of dialogue between himself and Ramsey's wife... that's not in the Bible and putting it in the movie did nothing to change the Biblical narrative. The _Ten Plagues_ all mentioned but not graphically shown with no real attention given to any but the most important ones. That doesn't change the fact that they are written about at length in scripture. *CANON*
HOTD is GOT canon lol
@@mackmitchell94 Okay you mean for the TV Show, right? I can agree with that but they're gonna have to show us how the Red Witch and her people know the prophecy as well as explain how the BROKEN line of succession still got the prophecy to 'Dany's brother'.
@@Ms.Byrd68 in the show canon they skip Jaehnerys II all😕 together. Skip the kids of Aegon V kids doesn't make sense. Yes i know they wanted make Jon and Aemon's relationship more simple. Aegon V had 5 kids. Aerys was his grandson not son like they explain in show version.
@@mackmitchell94 for that, read the book. Azor Hai was legend in Essos long before Valyira was raise as empire.
It sucks that D&D took a big doodoo pie on the prophecy instead of building upon it like House of Dragon is. Almost hurts House of Dragon entirely if both shows are supposed to be attached. Perhaps the new Snow series will help clear things up for the prophecy somehow?
I imagine they’ll try to connect it to Jon Snow somehow. Dave and Dan often abandoned high fantasy elements of the story, like Lady Stoneheart and Dany’s dreams and Jon’s warging.
SNOW is blatantly going to have the Night King be "revived" somehow just so it can come to pass that Jon is the one to defeat him. I can't see it going any other way.
@@morgan79737 Ehhh I don’t know about that, although I don’t think the white walkers or “others” will ever be truly defeated. Really feels like somewhat of a cycle going on. I could see him journeying far north to the heart of winter looking for answers.
@@williamwhitfield6225 That so cool I have always thought that they ending with foot prints of the others going deeper into North as last screen shot.
@@CrusaderChris that is true I understand why they did with Lady Stoneheart. Dany's and the other children warging abilities. They throw in the garbage. The Lady Stoneheart's storyline they only wanted Jon raising from dead. I like the Stoneheart storyline in books.
Aegon was quite the man.
Good breakdown. I knew a lot going into this but then you broke it down further. Thanks
Rumors that they're hiring Henry Cavill to play Aegon in flashback scenes next season. With Elizabeth Olsen possibly playing one of the sisters.
That will so cool with Henry Cavill playing Aegon I
Hotd is suppose to be closer to book canon according to Grrm. So I think it's fair to consider it canon to the world of asoiaf. Great vid btw
That knife bs it all show canon!! There is a sword called Lightbringer and other sword called Dawn in the Books version.
Amazing video! Love how you tie it together with the Starks and going back to Torrhen Stark (the King who knelt).
Eddard Shark
Quick little theory. I believe the baby the night king was turning into a white walker, was his way of making a prince (maybe like an heir). Thus still making the long night prophecy still be a looming threat towards Westeros, and this is where the Jon Snow TV show could focus on, also giving them a chance to make the prince who was promised prophecy come true.
I could be completely wrong, but this is one solution I think they could use to save the horrid writing from season 8 long night episode
Maybe! that they use the Children create a different set of White Walkers. The Early set that see Essos were the Original Ones.
Amen !!
I hope they’re listening to you. This only seems fair considering how the Night King fell so cheaply after seasons of hyping & momentous building! They must expand on the whole threat surely!
No thanks
That’ll be awesome
I think I remember that Rhaella and Aerys were forced to marry because a woods witch who was connected the Jenny of Oldstones (wife of Prince Duncan) prophesized that the Prince the Was Promised would come from their line
That’s exactly what happened
Yep, rhaegar thought he was the prince that was promised for that specific reason
However, he realised it wasn't him and that it would be one of his progeny. Name has to be aegon
🤣 "Any day now" - I've been waiting 11 years for Winds of Winter
So it makes sense why the night king arrived when he did during HBOGOT. Their was no longer a Targaryen on the throne
The night king isn't a thing in the books though.
Ya it’s more like The Others we’re awakened rather than a Night King
It’s a nice theory, but definitely not the case because Aegon created the Iron Throne well after the Long Night was over, and the whole reason he conquered Westeros is because he believed the Targaryens were the best option to fend of The Others.
TLDR- if The Others awakened once the Targaryens were displaced on the Iron Throne, what was holding them back the thousands of years the Iron Throne existed
Patrice laughing at the end totally caught me off guard.😂
Nice video and I’m sure it will be helpful for those that aren’t deep in the knowledge of GRRM books.
I think victarion greyjoy did exist in the show canon in season 1 because tyrion tells Theon that he remembers when Theon (uncles more than one ) attacked lannisport and burnt the lannister fleet.
I really love the Stark stuff at the end, great ideas!
You deserve so many more subscribers. Good luck ser, and i appreciate the work you put into this video.
I hope they do the hedge knight, dance is great, even the Jon show, but hedge knight is probably one of his best. Then maybe we can get blackfry rebellions.
Nice video good explained i learned i great deal thanks
i firmly believe torrhen stark believed his story about the prince who was promised. he knew winter was coming.
Again with the interpretations that "three dragons means three Targaryen's" and not one Targaryen, Dani with three dragons. Aemon said it was the interpretations and chasing those dreams that got Targaryen's in trouble and he wasn't joking. Everyone thinks it's about them rather then being further down the line. Maybe 200+ years sometimes.
Yes thank you @!!!!!!!! Three Riders the show decided skip all that.
It find three riders for the Dragons.
This part is kinda obvious to me: Rhaegar is obsessed with “three” because of Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys (the original conquerors) and believes he has to have 3 children to fulfill the prophecy. Elia Martell can no longer bear children, and so she is passed on at the tourney for Lyanna Stark who Rhaegar believes will give him a 3rd child to fulfill the prophecy (the 3rd child being Jon Snow). He naturally assumes his oldest male heir will be the “prince who was promised”, but he will be mistaken because Aegon “VI” was killed by the Mountain. It will be Jon Snow who is the prince who was promised.
My Theory on Show Universe not Book Universe
Aegon's dream required a Targaryen leading Westeros not to deal the final blow against the Night King. Leaders lead wars. They do not always participate in the battles. The White Walkers, similar to the Targaryens, diminished over time. They no longer have the giant spiders and other dark creatures they once used during the first Long Night.
It is likely Azor Ahai traveled to Essos to learn the art of stealth and assassination. The skills of stealth helped Azor Ahai avoid the white walkers to reach the Children of the Forest. The Children would give the valeyrian dagger, made from the dragonglass that built the Night King, to Azor Ahai. The dagger helped Azor Ahai stealthily kill many white walkers that lead legions of wights. The White Walkers would lose their might dark creatures, such as giant spiders, to the First Men and Children of the Forest alliance. Azor Ahai traveled back to Essos and entrusted the dagger to the red priests who over time later entrusted the dagger to the Targaryen family of Valeyria.
The Red Priests believe the same method Azor Ahai used to defeat the White Walkers is needed to end the second Long Night, thus the prophecy of Azor Ahai being reborn was made. However, that was not the case.
R'hllor is involved in the fight against the White Walkers. However, the Many-Faced God was also involved via Arya since the Night King is an aberration and an insult towards death. It makes sense that R'hllor starts the fight and the Many-Faced God's follower ends it.
I think there were an other battle with the Others. Before the Children on Westores and it fought Near The Dawn Empire.
Rhllor and the Many-Faced God is one of the same, but called a different name. I think this on going war, Series of cycles who knows how many times this happen on Plantoes.
Very good
I think Rhaegar what is either maybe a dragon dreamer or he might have had a little bit of green cedar power have you all ever noticed the parallels kind of between him and, Jojen Reed? Jordan Reed was he seems like he knew more than he should for his age he was wise for his young age he also was kind of sad all the time, he knew when he was going to die so that kind of made him a little bit sad and a little bit dark anyway and you know that people said kind of the same thing about rhaegar how he always had a kind of a sadness about him was a little bit of melancholy and yeah he we know he pursued the prophecy thing so maybe he knew what was going to happen in the end and that's how he knew that he was not azor ahai but perhaps his son was.... And perhaps he knew he was going to die sometime soon as well.
I’m the more I look at this stuff, the more that I believe that the setup for the Jon Snow series is getting more and more clear. I think there will be a wild dragon or two that will escape this war. Or eggs.
Tell that’s to Dumb & Dumber, at this point no matter how time they tell us the prophecy in the house of the dragon show, at the end of it we are all knows what is going to happen at the end of GOT
I don't think he told torrhen anything, we have multiple texts that explain he bent the knee as to not kill the north as the king of the Rock and reach did to their men.
That ending LOL
That should not even be mentioned because GOT messed it up by having Arya kill the night King and not J. Snow.🤝
Why!!!! ?? D and D did a lot of different things, and having Dany go nuts in single season? mess up decision, but having Arya killing the Night King was ok!!! There is no Promise Son, it was team effort!!!!. Jon hold the dead Dragon at bay while Arya struck the killing blow.
totally agree
someones said the Night King coudlve turned a human into a nightwalker as an heir. just a theory but could be one ot lead off of
I don't think it really matters that Arya killed the night king. Dany was able to unite all the different kingdoms and Jon led the army. They're both Targaryens, so prophecy was fulfilled. The night king isn't even cannon in the books. Prophecy never mentioned who would kill whom.
@@elmerescanuela4121 Or son of King who the King of all the First Men thousand years ago before the Andals.
I feel like the war hasn’t started yet since there making a Jon Snow show. What if there’s a bigger threat then the night king or he wasn’t the night king at all and that’s who Jon has to battle in his new show
In this theory video about an imaginary low fantasy world. The guy who made the video gave a high Fantasy line "When George releases winds of winter and a dream of spring, any day now"
if you look at the game of thrones logo, the 4 animals are dragon top left, wolf bottom left, lion top right, stag bottom right. dragon and wolf are aligned, but the superior one is dragon, that's why it's at the top. the stag sits the throne, but it's below the lion who has more power and has cucked their house. the 2 biggest powers are dragon vs lion at the top, which is exactly how the show plays out.
next show from this realm has to be the jon snow one!!!
Curious if the lineage of passing down the song of ice and fire ends when Rneara dies?
ahhh anyyyy day now 🥲
“It’s not a loop it’s a spiral”
"ANY DAY NOW" 😂😂😂
In HBO canon at the time the night King is defeated, it's Cersei Lannister that sits on the iron throne, not a Targaryen. That doesn't match the HBO canon prophecy at all: "And if the world of men is to survive, a Targaryen must be seated on the Iron Throne."
The book Fire and Blood is different than the show house of the dragon. So really it should be two completely separate canons. One for book only. One for show only stuff. George has said this himself.
I do agree that Hot D seems to be trying to keep with book canon. But it is going to be different in the end. They won’t be able to follow fire and blood completely.
Grrm said himself that the fire and blood books are not completely accurate as they’re told from the perspective of an old maester and mushroom. The show is the more accurate representation of what actually happened, unless grrm writes another book set in the time period from the perspective of the people there
@@PublicRestroom88 I get that. But it doesn’t change the fact that the show is different cannon. Alicent has been aged down and never knew jaehaerys like she did In the books. Alicent and rhaenyra are never friends in the book. Laena and Laenor have been changed as well. The cannon has to be different.
And Daniel Weiss en David Benioff,the creatiors of Game of Thrones
rheagars both sons name same😬
The legend of PTWP told for thousand years it even turn into religion R'hllo, The Lord of Light (Fire God) The Fire Priests and Priestesses.
How is John Snow going to lead when Bran is made King of the Seven at the end of season 8
Let Dany be resurrected in the Jon Snow Spin Off, making them both The Prince That Was promised, then have a child and BOOM "The three dragons" = The three Targaryens.
Then March over to kings landing and kill Bran.
Yeah a girl can dream but I don’t think it’s going to happen 😩
This won't happen
The death of house targaryen is a major plot point people seem to miss
If you look at most of the targaryen royals, many had terrible lives and deaths and caused millions to die in Westeros.
Jon refused the name because he knew it meant trouble. The show marks the official end of house targaryen
@@Mainlyeverything I don’t think so.. about the end of Targaryen line. It’s highly unlikely. They’re the main Protagonists and the main Antagonists of this Fictional Universe. Wouldn’t make any sense at all. And Most definitely Not in the way some people assume. Interpret and/or “Wish” for it to happen Only because they feel it makes them seem different and cool. Acolytes of Subverting expectations Faith 🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪
Wasn’t the prophecy fulfilled for killing the night king?
So just throwing this out there. What if young griff isn’t a Blackfyre, but is descended from Jaehaerys Targaryen through his daughter Saera, her name and Illiryo’s wives names similarities might not be a coincidence. So he wouldn’t be a member of House Blackfyre, just a very distant descendant of House Targaryen, which would make his claim quite weak.
Well as we learned in game of thrones no jon gets banished to North of Wall
I believe the prophecy stills stands in the Jon snow series coming probably an enemy coming that may not be like the night king but still just as dangerous. As long as Jon gets a dragon either drogon or an ice dragon along with ghost.I don’t care.
Winters coming
Starks won’t save Westeros , Jon and DAny will do it ( Targaryens) with the help of House Stark and other houses of course.
Jon is a Stark though, Rhaegar didn't make him all by himself. And also judging by all the Targs we have seen so far, thank the Old Gods that Jon is more Stark than Targaryen. The crazy, sociopath gene seems to have escaped him.
@@dannyms5159 no matter how Jon looks like he is a Targaryen, he is there because of Rhaegar Targaryen , No Rhaegar no Jon snow no savior of the world, some Targaryens went mad because of their dreams about the dragon and prince who was promised , they paid a huge price but it all worth it because no we have Jon and DAny who are going to save the world, probably die in the process.
If that’s the same dagger from game of thrones how tf did little finger come across it
Everytime I hear anything about that prophecy in House of the Dragon I cringe.
GOT turned it into something I never want to hear about again, it's still infuriating.
Maegor didn’t murder Aegon the uncrowned, he killed him in battle. Not really the same thing. He did murder other relatives but not that one.
The night king is mention in the books
The Night’s King* is, but not the Night King. They’re two different figures, the latter only in GoT.
he was a mad stark that became "king" of the night watch if i recall , not a demon made of ice (white walker)
I wasn't referring to the show night king
@@Vebian He a Bolton or Flint!!!!
That's why the starks built the wall to keep out others for enter behind wall the of the land of always winter no wonder why the starks are the oldest house in the North that makes sense. 🧐
Also how dam good is game of thrones and the house of the dragon i seen it around 5 times 😅 and they are still making spin-offs fucking love it !!!!!! I also planning on reading the books aim not really the reading tipe but i really want to read the books so good stuff shoot-out to hbo for making the game of Thrones universe
And Daniel Weiss en David Benioff, de makers van Game of Thrones
The Fire is Danny, the Ice is Arya, and the middle ground is John Snow
I got a theory that aegons prophecy is being passed down all the way up to the game of thrones timeline to aerys II passing it down to rhegar.I believe that rhaegar and lyana stark intentionally had jon snow not from love! But rather mainly about the duty to fulfill that prophecy. I believe that the starks whos lineage went back to the days of the long night, passed this task down generations also like the targaryans. I believe it was the reason of how rhaenerya gained the starks on her side. She passed it down to her sons who flew out to the north to get the starks support for her claim to the throne (which happens in the book and probably on the show later on.
According to DnD, the answer is : "kind of"
The knight king is not a character in the books ? Is that what you said ? I replayed it couple of times
Correct. There is a historical character called the Night’s King, but he is unrelated to the show’s Night King.
Yes. There is no Night King in the books YET. But there is a suggestion that The Others are looking for a leader, someone to lead them through a wall. They are not mindless beasts in books. They have their own language and sense of humour.
We’re the valerians black in the books ?
It’s not really explicitly stated, but probably not.
@@CrusaderChris I was just wondering if the baby thing in the last episode was part of the books like oh he has renys nose again 🤦🏼♀️
Any day now? u.u
Got last 2 seasons not cannon
Didn't Rhaegar's grandparents get married because they believe the prince would be born from their line?! So that would mean a few Targaryen's had known prior to Rhaegar's birth! Although I do believe the Mad king genuinely didn't know about the prophesy! This may be due to what happened at Summerhal!
Very True and Viserys was way too young to told about the Prophesy!!! In the show Viserys was 4 and book version 7 years old when the Rebellion broke out.
Rhaegar's parents. His Grandfather force them together.
what GOT did wrong was not making Jon the real hero , he had the name , he had the blood of dragon, fire and had the blood of stark , ice , it was stupid,to ignore the prophecy
In the books, a Targaryen will sit the Iron Throne as (f)Aegon will take King’s Landing. I think him and Jon will unite Westeros against the Others in Winds. I think the last chapter of the book will be Daenerys taking Dragonstone while the epilogue will be the Others crossing the Wall at Eastwatch, showing that they’re actually two parallel threats to Westeros.
There's every bit as good a chance that the Young Griff Aegon is actually a Blackfyre descendant who has been raised as if he was Prince Aegon.
@@shaunlasich2330 Yes. I think he’s a Blackfyre, but he’s officially presented as Rhaegar’s son, so that would fit into the prophecy. And Blackfyre are actually Targaryen anyway. The interest with prophecies is that they are tricky and are fulfilled, but with a twist, otherwise it’s quite boring.
@@theeagleofbavaria Quite true about twists, but this brings up the problem GRRM now has in finishing his story, it's gotten way too big since he's started, so big that millions of people around the world invest their time into discussing theories on where he intends to go, and have figured out a number of his planned twists already. Young Griff being introduced so late may also just be to distract fans from the more obvious answer of the third head being Tyrion.
DAny is no threat , she is the savior who melt the others. FAegon won’t survive till the final battle with others. It will be DAny and Jon leading Westerosi.
@@thetalesofelbek7042 Jon is dead and not a targaryen all male targaryen's have their fathers hair even the bastards have their fathers hair this proves Jon is not targaryen he looks like a Strong
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I just can’t wait to see Rhenarya become the False queen & her mental start to fall apart just like Daenerys did because of everything that power & war comes with
"War makes monsters of us all" - Thoros of Myr, A Feast for Crows
Rhaenery lineage isn't incest (her parents weren't bro/sis) so I don't think that would happen, if she does it would be because she's lost her kids or daemon. Dani's dad I believe was either a psychopath or bipolar due to have been heavenly inbred.
Question: Do we know for sure that the mother in Dany's vision is definitely Elia Martell? That chapter doesn't describe what she looks like and the first time I read it I thought it might be Lyana Stark.
It's probably safe to say it was Elia, as he's quoted as saying "There must be one more. The dragon has three heads." This implies that the birth that just occurred is Rhaegar's second child, not his third.
Dude wtf was that ending
I don't give a shit about the House Stark. I'm tired of people putting them on a pedestal.
thank you for letting us know
LoL!
all that mess about the prince that was promised and jon snow still knows nothing killed the only other targaryen and arya a stark saves the day. the only connection is the knife she used why didnt the prophecy just say hey yall keep this knife yall are going to need it lol. stupid jon destroyed the last chance to save the targaryen stupid d&d
They already did, dead king is dead so ...
House of the dragon is different from fire & blood
They made GOT about the starks when it was about Jon Snow..personally I didn't like the ending just Jon pretty much did all the work and his "siblings" still got to live better entitled lives and he had to go back to the wall...when he was the true king. Bran shouldv'e been his hand not the king.
Jon chose to go back to the wall, though. He didn't want to be king on the show
@@AnMaPa no they told him that was the only option because he killed Dani..they fight for him after all the fighting he did for them ungrateful bastards..Sansa aryah n bran..those brats got to live on and prosper while he had to go to the wall..they didn’t give him a chance to be the chosen prince.
@@ddnlee24 oh yeah, you right. He did get sent there
The books were always about the Starks! Jon is as much of a Stark as all the other siblings.
The final book was named time for wolves before it was changed to dream of spring
The answer to your question is NO. Jon isn't a Targaryen. He's a Stark. He's practically a Ned clone. His mother is Ashara Dayne.
Thank You!!! I think his true father Brandon Stark!!! Ned's oldest brother but we shall when the books comes out.
R+L most certainly = J
Between Bran, Sam, and Gilly, they literally proved he was born a Targaryen.
@@goonie5360 how
Lmao
Dumb and dumber only got the show because they answered that jon was lyanna son
It's like an aragorn coming of age story but Jon's origin is a secret.
Jon Snow is NOT a Targeryen. He is a Stark and Dayne. The Daynes are children of Great Dawn Empire. A Empire of Dragons before Valaryia.
That’s a theory, yes. 👍
Wtf is “house of the dragon”??
He will never release the next book. Hes dried out and already made a lot of money from the tv franchise.
Naa Arya will just jump around and they die,.woman power hahaha
It was literally about Daenerys, not Jon. Breaker of chains was plating durinf the scene.. but go off on this Jon as Azor Ahai propoganda
If we’re talking about show Dany, they turned her into Hitler, so clearly she wasn’t meant to be TPTWP :)
@@CrusaderChris it doesn't matter what she did after. winter was only defeated because of her dragons and armies.
Daenerys is azor ahai
@@Nihilanth episode 8 viserys basically says its aegon targaryen that is the prince that was promised.
Aegon doesn't save the day but unite everyone in Westeros which is what jon does.
Its clear the show fumbled the bag
Azar ahai/prince that was promised is most likely the same person and is probably jon. GRRM loves the starks
@@Mainlyeverything it was breaker of chains playing in the background when Viserys told Rhaenyra about the prophecy.
Jon divided the realm when he demanded the Northern independence. not to say he only united wildlings and northerners.
Dany was the one with dothraki, unsullied, dornish, Tyrells, iron born, dragons, etc.
in the books, it's definitely her. it's what her dragon dreams, visions and prophecies tell us.
GRRM , Targaryen are evil.
GRRM , they are like NAZIS WITH DRAGONS .
Also GRRM fans makes the conquest something Romantic, makes them the actual saviors of Westeros.
Everyone should stop spoiling the tale, honestly. Shih don’t make no sense.
And don’t come to me with the nuances. We’re talking about Aegon himself, who went on a murder mission, for control and power. Killing thousands on the way.
Giving the conquest the excuse of a lifesaving mission to save the faith of the poor Westerosi, seems beneath Martin, and is quite a foolish stretch. It takes away all the lessons the author himself repeatedly say to be sharing with the story. There’s no punchline. Life doesn’t work like that, conquerors, on expansionist missions are not to be justified as saviors, that’s never their motifs. Aegon didn’t look to Westeros and was like, I need to save these people. But thats what this whole prophecy thing makes it sound like. Martin has always been loyal to real history, and the lore requires a lot of realism for it to be believable, all this is however unrealistic, it takes so much from the story. Is just 🤮. Y’all doing too much.
he never said any of that lol
Everyone thinks they are the hero of their story. Aegon certainly thought he was. Undoubtedly, a conqueror kills and enslaves people but it wouldn't be hard to imagine such a person could do it more easily and successfully if they believed it to be the righteous path. Most people don't wake up tomorrow and go "I'm gonna take over my neighbour's property because I can". Most characters in GOT do what they do, at the very last in pretence, the way they believe they rightfully should.
@@doanale3344 yes, we make up excuses to justify genocide. The issue here is that the long night is not an excuse. 💀
@@Nihilanth it’s been said here in this channel that Targaryen were like Nazis with dragons. Watch the other videos.
Then sure, we can say Aegon did it for selfish reasons. Because he doesn't want the world to be destroyed and the legacy of his house to live forever. Is conquering Westeros the way to do it? Unsure, but that is how Aegon the conqueror interpreted it. Potentially, his family could have lived in dragonstone until the long night came but how could you ensure that the Westerosi kings would come together to fight the Others? Genocide is a bit of a stretch since he did not attempt to extinguish the first men, the Andals or even the Rhoynar whom he was not able to conquer. He just wanted them bound to one ruler so that mobilising an army is far simpler. You can debate the morality of it but the practicality seems sound to me.
11:15 it was rumored that martin asked the show runners to answer 1 question if they really did understand the show, that would allow HBO to film. the question. who was jon snows mother?? so this is book cannon.