Thumbs up-great job. I’m averse to post-game play so I do all the Gran Pulse stuff in Ch. 11. Vercingetorix’s Wicked Whirl ignores defensive accessories. You’re better off with HP boosting bangles on Vanille. She maintains good stand-off distance & is only seriously threatened by Wicked Whirl. The other 2 should have a belt & a bracelet to resist both physical & magical attacks other than Wicked Whirl that ignores them. A bangle in the 3rd slot is beneficial. It increases HP & helps survive Wicked Whirl while in SEN SEN SEN. You might find the following playlist of interest: m.th-cam.com/play/PLl1TaZHlDgcwkD-x097spUaa9aVWF43YL.html It shows how to reliably & consistently 5-star all the tough fights in Chapter 11 with a level 9 Crystarium party. It shows alternative techniques to defeat Vercingetorix, Long Gui, & Neochu (RIC defeats it faster & more reliably than Death). It concludes with Orphan’s 5-star defeat with a Crystarium Level 9 party. As I’m sure you know, this can only be done during the first encounter since defeating him unlocks Crystarium Level 10. I don’t recommend shrouds except for Gigantuar & Neochu. The mark is more aggressive when you use them.
@@hiimcolors107 Thanks. I always like finding kindred spirits who gut out all the Gran Pulse stuff with a Ch. 11 party. I played JP & NA editions of the game on both PS3 & 360 when it was released. 14 years later, playing the Windows version, it’s amazing how well the game has aged. Each video in the playlist has a detailed description. Sadly, I don’t have your talent for narrative commentary-you do an exceptional job-so I just use text banners. The 6th video on the list is intended to show some of the subtleties: -Fang is a beast. SAB COM SEN results in a much faster battle time. -Though most of Verc’s attacks are physical, Wind Shear with non-elemental magic damage is deadly. A bracelet (magic resistance) & a belt (physical resistance) is better than an armlet (combined physical & magic resistance) & a belt. The Sylphid Ring (elemental wind resistance) is of no value because the magic damage is non-elemental. -After Poison, the most important debuff is Slow. Snow, therefore, is a better 3rd party member than Sazh & Lightning. Sazh & Lightning’s AI have them cast too many debuffs whereas Level 9 Snow can only cast Slow & it usually sticks rapidly. -Vanille, as the leader, does not need help casting Poison. If she is not the leader, then it’s best to have 2 poison casters because the AI does not reliably focus on inflicting the poison status. -Vanille should cast only Poison & Death. Fang’s main job is to dispel & cast debuffs other than poison. Snow’s only job (as a SAB) is to cast Slow. -Fang should use her debuff weapon-tier 1, 2, or 3. This is true in almost all fights. Though some prefer her with a Dragoon Lance or Taming Pole type weapon, one gets the fastest times with a Kain’s Lance from a Pandoran Spear. The time savings from the faster debuffs is significantly more than the savings from greater strength. Since the 5-star rating is based primarily on battle time, the debuff weapon ends up being Fang’s best.
Nice video! Some feedback: I watched through to the end because I had fond memories of playing FF13 when it first came out, but I would have liked you to have an initial explanation of some of the base systems you’re engaging with. Many of the people who come across this video won’t understand the specifics of the challenge, or what C9 means. I can imagine some folks will leave once they realize that you’re just going to plow into the tasks without context
I think the video was clear in what C9 meant, which it says in the first minute. And for TH-cam titles, you want something short and snappy, and not “I completed every single challenge in the JRPG Final Fantasy 13 as soon as we reached Gran Pulse while my characters can only access the ninth stage of the Crystarium, which restricts their abilities greatly.”
After 100% on FF13, FF13-2 + DLC, and FF13LR + DLC, I figured FF13 takes the longest and the hardest to farm and grind with because you have to do everything yourself, while FF13-2 has DLC that gave you high power COM and RAV lighting ; and FF13LR allows you to adjust difficulty and rewind time while keeping LR level and items if you can't finish the game in one shot. Whenever I did a FF3 new game I fell asleep a few times as I kept on farming and farming, grinding and grinding, for experience, item, and $; just to be able to upgrade each character's accessories and weapons to its highest.
For Vercingetorix I found out from a streamer you can sit through gestalt with poison taking action at the last second so hecaton doesn't do finisher to chip away at most of his HP
Which weapon do you end up going with for Lightning's upgrade path, was it Blazefire? and how do you make her stick to either physical strikes or magic attacks with that weapon?
I think you need more than 2x of str over magic or vice versa to make her keep to one attack style. I went with just her base blazefire sabre in this video, but I think I'd recommend choosing her magic weapon since the attack animations for her com and rav spells is pretty quick
@@hiimcolors107 I was also considering using blazefire. Im torn between blazefire for some extra strength when using blitz or army of one or just going with Edged Carbine to stick with magic casting entirely. I thought of just using Lightning as my main controlled character. Is Army of one worth it for quickly upping the chain gauge to make her your controlled character. Army of one uses str, also theres blitz so I feel having some STR would be good as well. but is it enough to justify having those awful attk>spell>atk>spell animations if i dont use Lightning as main controlled?
@@pyguy7 I say just try it out! I don't have a long of army of one experience, but this game doesn't really require that much min-maxing where the character+weapon you choose may not work. You should be fine to have fun with lightning if you want :)
thanks - I think ff13 reminds us the importance of appreciating the things we love even with their flaws pointed out to you it may have a long tutorial and some cringey moments, but hey so does life
@@hiimcolors107Yeah! I think XIII is very character rich, but people miss it because of how linear it is until Gran Pulse, but I don't really mind the linearity, I actually think it helped keep the pacing feel very focused
Why wasn't it good? The idea that it was railroad? So what? You never get any real access to the over world before late game without glitches..and the locales were all pointless. Ff13 is a vibrant no nonsense tactical spectacle. It's a wonderful game@@TheMockedy
The two tortoises you mention with different HP are not the same enemy, one is an adamantortoise, the other is an adamantoise. but they do look similar.
I am at the awkward bit of almost being able to kill adamantoise with no summon and being able to nuke them with summons. As soon as roar comes out I'm dead lol
One of my favorite games, think I was always just unlucky with the gill and item farms for better gear lol and wat I did upgrade I think was a mistake idk :/ was years ago
@@hiimcolors107 i did it all up to mission 62 (i did 63 as well) but 62 seems almost impossible(specially because i limited the stagger to 600% so it seems impossible to kill one of them in a single stagger) yes i need to see a doctor
People: "EFF EFF THÖRTIEN LINEAR BAD REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!" Also people: "Yaaaaassss FFX hallway-kun, take me." Don't get me wrong, FFX is in my top 3 FF games (number 1 being FFIX and number three being FFXIII). The hate FF13 got was the dumbest bullshit ever though. An interactive medium wanting to tell a classic fantasy tale or "hero's journey" type of story needs to be linear to a point. Even more open games like FF15 are linear in the way, that there is a finite amount of things to do (for example side quests) until you advance the story. Those kinds of games do open up at some point. In FF10 that happens on a small degree when you get to the "big open green grass plane" (Calm Lands) and on a much larger degree when you get the airship. In FF13 that ALSO happens on a small degree when you get to the "big open green grass plane" (Gran Pulse) and on a much larger degree when you get the teleporters. EVERY FF game only opens up once you get that game's equivalent of an airship. In FF9 it's the first boat. In FF10 it's the airship, in FF15 it's the flying car, in FF13 it's teleporters. Absolutely sick of literal NPCs repeating the same voice line.
@groudonvert7286 eh? Isn't that the final move of odin? You can't spam it like you can spam death. Death on neochu makes it easy. Also did you mean "Neochu with(OUT) death is annoying as fk"? As I said...killing neochu without using death is one of the most annoying battles in the game
@@nezkeys79 I'm serious, Neochu with Death is just RNG. You spam Death like an idiot each turn and you pray you don't die on either Neochu's Screech or Picochu's attacks (and they're quite resistant to Provoke). Zantetsuken has a bit of RNG, because you need RIC and Neochu to not drop under 50%, but it's much more skilled based than just waiting for RNG before death (also the biggest drowback of this strat is that most people don't even know how to deal with the Picochu next lol). Basically, Zantetsuken is used twice. The first time to kill the Picochu, the second time to kill Neochu once RIC triggered. An Elixir is used in between, but if you're low level enough you don't even need an Elixir because of the lack of damage. Once the Picochus are dead, spam Ruin with Lightning until she's out of range of Screech. The rest is easy. No death, an intersting and a bit challenging strat to do and doable no matter your level is. 300 HP Lightning can do this fight without problem that's how easy it is.
@groudonvert7286 calling people idiots for using death on Neochu, and bragging about how using zantetsuken is more skill based just makes you look pathetic Most people don't spend very long against it. It's barely any different than spamming death against the turtles and "praying for RNG like an idiot". Dealing with the little ones is fine with snow or elude
@@nezkeys79 It's figuratively speaking. Of course nobody seriously plays a game by mashing a button while laughing maniacally (but I would find it fun if someone does that in front of me just for fun... yeah it's my type of joke xD ). So no, I'm not treating anyone to be an idiot to use Death because... well 99% of the players does that, 0.999% use Cold Blood RIC and there are like 3 people outside of Japan, myself included, that uses the Zantetsuken strat who's by far the most consistent strat to deal with the mission 55 at low level (at high level Fang can basically kill Neochu on her own lol)
Vanille Sazh Fang best party tbh at this stage, and Fang and Vanille both stay awesome anyway regardless I never understand why people take Lightning tbh
@AndreasFleissner she doesn't even get the role without considerable investment so it's hardly a fair comparison. The positives fang brings far outweigh the presence of an extra ravager. It's easy asf to pre-emptive most encounters too even without deceptisol so the extra ravager is really not the big thing people think it is. If I wanted an extra ravager I would use hope anyway since he hits everything on screen and has every element plus high magic and is the best medic plus all the defensive buffs Lightning is just a really average "balanced" character because she brings rav com med, but her medic is the worst in the game and she needs gladius/edge carbine with four strength/magic accessories to even do decent damage anyway. At this point people aren't gonna be smashing it with crafting to that degree
@@nezkeys79 Of course it's a fair comparison. It's the reason Light/Snow have advantage over Fang in some fights. At stage 8 Light isn't taken for just being a good RAV, she is also the second/third best damage dealer at that stage after Fang, the best one probably if you need magic dmg since Hope has no com role levels yet and the best group clear com with an axis blade. Don't know what you mean insinuating she needs upgrades to do damage, she has the second highest Str/Mag by default.
@AndreasFleissner Lightning is not the 2nd/3rd best damage dealer at any point. Fang, controlled Sazh, and Snow all do more damage than her at any stage of the game pretty much. As for her ravager, it's just ok. Vanille and Hope are better ravagers because they target every elemental weakness to -aga level and have high magic stats. Conveniently, that works well with them both having medic as a primary role too and being the best two medics in the game. As for the medic comment, Fang isn't "way worse than Lightning." Both are bad and about the same. The difference is that Fangs medic isn't a primary role. Lightning is the only character with a primary role, which is #5 / #6 rank. Both only get cura iirc. Fang can also get high magic with Taming Pole If you don't even know what I mean about making her stats lobsided (instead of balanced) then you shouldn't really be saying anything. The AI on autobattle alternates between strikes and spells which slows her animation down. Her other most popular weapons all have low balanced stats except for the two I named so her having high balanced based stats means nothing if another character can get higher in the stat they specialise in via their weapon and passives. Lacking adrenaline is a big deal for example. It's easy to track this too. Fang Sazh and Snow will all reach 99,999 damage cap way before Lightning will If you're comparing Fang V Lightning the only plus point for lightning is she has a ravager earlier on. This is not that important because com/rav/rav and sab/rav/rav are perfectly fine paradigms for staggering. rav rav rav isn't this "omg absolutely needed for every single encounter" thing. Also pre-emptive strikes exist (via sneaking up or using deceptisols) so it's better to switch out of ravager unless ravager is the main source of damage (vanille hope who don't have their commandos yet). If you want a 3 rav and 3 com team it has to be three from Fang Snow Lightning Sazh. Ignoring Vanille and Fang at any stage of the game is bad because of debuffs and debilitates (and the best two synergists at max crystarium). So you're left choosing between Sazh and Lightning, and Sazh is all round better than lightning because he has a better commando if controlled, a better ravager special in Cold Blood, plus offensive buffs and enspells. He also gets the most OP T2 weapon. Fang Snow Sazh teams downfall is that it doesn't have a medic early on though, but this is an irrelevant comparison because Lightnings medic is awful. Doctors code still exists though. Later on Sazh and Snow become the best medics anyway after vanille and hope, because of curasa. You need to sacrifice one commando role to get one of the best medics in the game. Everything is trade-offs
![CAMPปลิ้น | EP.75[1/2] ชวนแร็ปเปอร์เที่ยวประแสแบบไม่ต้องตามกระแส](/img/n.gif)
Thumbs up-great job. I’m averse to post-game play so I do all the Gran Pulse stuff in Ch. 11. Vercingetorix’s Wicked Whirl ignores defensive accessories. You’re better off with HP boosting bangles on Vanille. She maintains good stand-off distance & is only seriously threatened by Wicked Whirl. The other 2 should have a belt & a bracelet to resist both physical & magical attacks other than Wicked Whirl that ignores them. A bangle in the 3rd slot is beneficial. It increases HP & helps survive Wicked Whirl while in SEN SEN SEN.
You might find the following playlist of interest: m.th-cam.com/play/PLl1TaZHlDgcwkD-x097spUaa9aVWF43YL.html
It shows how to reliably & consistently 5-star all the tough fights in Chapter 11 with a level 9 Crystarium party. It shows alternative techniques to defeat Vercingetorix, Long Gui, & Neochu (RIC defeats it faster & more reliably than Death). It concludes with Orphan’s 5-star defeat with a Crystarium Level 9 party. As I’m sure you know, this can only be done during the first encounter since defeating him unlocks Crystarium Level 10.
I don’t recommend shrouds except for Gigantuar & Neochu. The mark is more aggressive when you use them.
What a sick playlist I'm gonna go through this again for my next playthrough
@@hiimcolors107 Thanks. I always like finding kindred spirits who gut out all the Gran Pulse stuff with a Ch. 11 party. I played JP & NA editions of the game on both PS3 & 360 when it was released. 14 years later, playing the Windows version, it’s amazing how well the game has aged.
Each video in the playlist has a detailed description. Sadly, I don’t have your talent for narrative commentary-you do an exceptional job-so I just use text banners. The 6th video on the list is intended to show some of the subtleties:
-Fang is a beast. SAB COM SEN results in a much faster battle time.
-Though most of Verc’s attacks are physical, Wind Shear with non-elemental magic damage is deadly. A bracelet (magic resistance) & a belt (physical resistance) is better than an armlet (combined physical & magic resistance) & a belt. The Sylphid Ring (elemental wind resistance) is of no value because the magic damage is non-elemental.
-After Poison, the most important debuff is Slow. Snow, therefore, is a better 3rd party member than Sazh & Lightning. Sazh & Lightning’s AI have them cast too many debuffs whereas Level 9 Snow can only cast Slow & it usually sticks rapidly.
-Vanille, as the leader, does not need help casting Poison. If she is not the leader, then it’s best to have 2 poison casters because the AI does not reliably focus on inflicting the poison status.
-Vanille should cast only Poison & Death. Fang’s main job is to dispel & cast debuffs other than poison. Snow’s only job (as a SAB) is to cast Slow.
-Fang should use her debuff weapon-tier 1, 2, or 3. This is true in almost all fights. Though some prefer her with a Dragoon Lance or Taming Pole type weapon, one gets the fastest times with a Kain’s Lance from a Pandoran Spear. The time savings from the faster debuffs is significantly more than the savings from greater strength. Since the 5-star rating is based primarily on battle time, the debuff weapon ends up being Fang’s best.
I love that there are people still playing 13, love the video.
Nice video! Some feedback: I watched through to the end because I had fond memories of playing FF13 when it first came out, but I would have liked you to have an initial explanation of some of the base systems you’re engaging with. Many of the people who come across this video won’t understand the specifics of the challenge, or what C9 means. I can imagine some folks will leave once they realize that you’re just going to plow into the tasks without context
yeah thats fair
I think the video was clear in what C9 meant, which it says in the first minute.
And for TH-cam titles, you want something short and snappy, and not “I completed every single challenge in the JRPG Final Fantasy 13 as soon as we reached Gran Pulse while my characters can only access the ninth stage of the Crystarium, which restricts their abilities greatly.”
Good work! Nice quality video!
More vids like this please. Amazing.
I finally did it. I finally got to say "you deserve so many more subscribers!"
Thank you for this, i love this game.
After 100% on FF13, FF13-2 + DLC, and FF13LR + DLC, I figured FF13 takes the longest and the hardest to farm and grind with because you have to do everything yourself, while FF13-2 has DLC that gave you high power COM and RAV lighting ; and FF13LR allows you to adjust difficulty and rewind time while keeping LR level and items if you can't finish the game in one shot. Whenever I did a FF3 new game I fell asleep a few times as I kept on farming and farming, grinding and grinding, for experience, item, and $; just to be able to upgrade each character's accessories and weapons to its highest.
Youre a saint i finally know how to deal with those TURTLES
great video. love this game.
For Vercingetorix I found out from a streamer you can sit through gestalt with poison taking action at the last second so hecaton doesn't do finisher to chip away at most of his HP
ye that was the intention, but i screwed it up a few times trying it and managed to survive it anyway
@@hiimcolors107 ah fair enough
I am in chapter 11 and have gotten all but 12 missions done its been a hard time i love the video might finish them before i go to the next chapter.
Yaya give it a shot its a fun challenge
Loved it.
well done!
Impressive, damn
Thanks for the guide! I haven't played this game in 13 years (no pun intended.) and I want to play it again now, also what are your pc specs?
think i was running a 5900x amd chip and a 4080 when i recorded this
are those 13 years "Light"(ning) years?
Which weapon do you end up going with for Lightning's upgrade path, was it Blazefire? and how do you make her stick to either physical strikes or magic attacks with that weapon?
I think you need more than 2x of str over magic or vice versa to make her keep to one attack style.
I went with just her base blazefire sabre in this video, but I think I'd recommend choosing her magic weapon since the attack animations for her com and rav spells is pretty quick
@@hiimcolors107 I was also considering using blazefire. Im torn between blazefire for some extra strength when using blitz or army of one or just going with Edged Carbine to stick with magic casting entirely. I thought of just using Lightning as my main controlled character. Is Army of one worth it for quickly upping the chain gauge to make her your controlled character. Army of one uses str, also theres blitz so I feel having some STR would be good as well. but is it enough to justify having those awful attk>spell>atk>spell animations if i dont use Lightning as main controlled?
@@pyguy7 I say just try it out! I don't have a long of army of one experience, but this game doesn't really require that much min-maxing where the character+weapon you choose may not work. You should be fine to have fun with lightning if you want :)
@@pyguy7Army of One do meaningless damage. You don't use it for that.
Great job! I also love FFXIII, it's so good and I'm sad that people hate on it because of some decade old memes about hallways
thanks - I think ff13 reminds us the importance of appreciating the things we love even with their flaws pointed out to you
it may have a long tutorial and some cringey moments, but hey so does life
@@hiimcolors107Yeah! I think XIII is very character rich, but people miss it because of how linear it is until Gran Pulse, but I don't really mind the linearity, I actually think it helped keep the pacing feel very focused
People don't hate on it because of hallways. They hate on it because it wasn't good.
@@TheMockedystill high on that delusion?
Why wasn't it good? The idea that it was railroad? So what? You never get any real access to the over world before late game without glitches..and the locales were all pointless. Ff13 is a vibrant no nonsense tactical spectacle. It's a wonderful game@@TheMockedy
The two tortoises you mention with different HP are not the same enemy, one is an adamantortoise, the other is an adamantoise. but they do look similar.
I think the noticable difference was the tortoise has a broken tusk right?
@@ameliakyle7054 correct
I am at the awkward bit of almost being able to kill adamantoise with no summon and being able to nuke them with summons. As soon as roar comes out I'm dead lol
Nice run! What were the base weapons you used for each char?
thanks!
blazefire saber for lightning
belladonna wand for vanille
dragoons lance for fang
@@hiimcolors107 thx for letting me know! I plan on coming back to 13 after many years, this will help me get into the endgame i never done :D
One of my favorite games, think I was always just unlucky with the gill and item farms for better gear lol and wat I did upgrade I think was a mistake idk :/ was years ago
i did this so many times i guess 3/4. I tried in the hard mod but i couldn't pass mission 62 (have you tried it with the hard mod?)
I have not tried hard mod
@@hiimcolors107 i did it all up to mission 62 (i did 63 as well) but 62 seems almost impossible(specially because i limited the stagger to 600% so it seems impossible to kill one of them in a single stagger) yes i need to see a doctor
@@kimpetrasisaqueen3955 XD
👍
This is the bible
13 was a hard game
chapter 9? I thought geting on Pulse is chapter 11? am I wrong about that? why does everyone say game opens up around chapter 11 then.
C9 i meant crystarium 9
chapter 11 is when you get to gran pulse. Less linear, far more variety in monsters + missions to do
@@hiimcolors107 Ohhhhh.... that makes so much more sense. I was like chapter 9!?!
Actually for the gigantic cactus you just need daze with fang and snow to truly kill it
Oooo i didnt think of this! I’ll give it a shot my next play-through this challenge
Ain't no way to slice it though Gigantaur sucks ass... esp the 5 star
People: "EFF EFF THÖRTIEN LINEAR BAD REEEEEEEEE!!!!!!"
Also people: "Yaaaaassss FFX hallway-kun, take me."
Don't get me wrong, FFX is in my top 3 FF games (number 1 being FFIX and number three being FFXIII). The hate FF13 got was the dumbest bullshit ever though. An interactive medium wanting to tell a classic fantasy tale or "hero's journey" type of story needs to be linear to a point. Even more open games like FF15 are linear in the way, that there is a finite amount of things to do (for example side quests) until you advance the story.
Those kinds of games do open up at some point. In FF10 that happens on a small degree when you get to the "big open green grass plane" (Calm Lands) and on a much larger degree when you get the airship. In FF13 that ALSO happens on a small degree when you get to the "big open green grass plane" (Gran Pulse) and on a much larger degree when you get the teleporters.
EVERY FF game only opens up once you get that game's equivalent of an airship. In FF9 it's the first boat. In FF10 it's the airship, in FF15 it's the flying car, in FF13 it's teleporters.
Absolutely sick of literal NPCs repeating the same voice line.
I have so much trouble witg raktjva
We need an Remake on PS4+5
lol am so confused is this suppose to be a guide xD? i just got to chapter 11 95% of this video is over my head
its a challenge run/guide/playthrough thing
oh okay xD it seems like a good video i need more damage right now so ima try see what weps i should use for the boys@@hiimcolors107
2x Raktavija
Neochu without using death
^ most annoying battles in the game
Neochu with Death is annoying as fuck lol
Zantetsuken is a much better strat (and can be done at every level).
@groudonvert7286 eh? Isn't that the final move of odin? You can't spam it like you can spam death. Death on neochu makes it easy.
Also did you mean "Neochu with(OUT) death is annoying as fk"? As I said...killing neochu without using death is one of the most annoying battles in the game
@@nezkeys79 I'm serious, Neochu with Death is just RNG. You spam Death like an idiot each turn and you pray you don't die on either Neochu's Screech or Picochu's attacks (and they're quite resistant to Provoke).
Zantetsuken has a bit of RNG, because you need RIC and Neochu to not drop under 50%, but it's much more skilled based than just waiting for RNG before death (also the biggest drowback of this strat is that most people don't even know how to deal with the Picochu next lol).
Basically, Zantetsuken is used twice. The first time to kill the Picochu, the second time to kill Neochu once RIC triggered. An Elixir is used in between, but if you're low level enough you don't even need an Elixir because of the lack of damage. Once the Picochus are dead, spam Ruin with Lightning until she's out of range of Screech. The rest is easy.
No death, an intersting and a bit challenging strat to do and doable no matter your level is. 300 HP Lightning can do this fight without problem that's how easy it is.
@groudonvert7286 calling people idiots for using death on Neochu, and bragging about how using zantetsuken is more skill based just makes you look pathetic
Most people don't spend very long against it. It's barely any different than spamming death against the turtles and "praying for RNG like an idiot".
Dealing with the little ones is fine with snow or elude
@@nezkeys79 It's figuratively speaking. Of course nobody seriously plays a game by mashing a button while laughing maniacally (but I would find it fun if someone does that in front of me just for fun... yeah it's my type of joke xD ).
So no, I'm not treating anyone to be an idiot to use Death because... well 99% of the players does that, 0.999% use Cold Blood RIC and there are like 3 people outside of Japan, myself included, that uses the Zantetsuken strat who's by far the most consistent strat to deal with the mission 55 at low level (at high level Fang can basically kill Neochu on her own lol)
Vanille Sazh Fang best party tbh at this stage, and Fang and Vanille both stay awesome anyway regardless
I never understand why people take Lightning tbh
People take Lightning for her RAV role which is far superior to Fang's at that point.
@AndreasFleissner she doesn't even get the role without considerable investment so it's hardly a fair comparison. The positives fang brings far outweigh the presence of an extra ravager. It's easy asf to pre-emptive most encounters too even without deceptisol so the extra ravager is really not the big thing people think it is.
If I wanted an extra ravager I would use hope anyway since he hits everything on screen and has every element plus high magic and is the best medic plus all the defensive buffs
Lightning is just a really average "balanced" character because she brings rav com med, but her medic is the worst in the game and she needs gladius/edge carbine with four strength/magic accessories to even do decent damage anyway. At this point people aren't gonna be smashing it with crafting to that degree
@@nezkeys79 Of course it's a fair comparison. It's the reason Light/Snow have advantage over Fang in some fights.
At stage 8 Light isn't taken for just being a good RAV, she is also the second/third best damage dealer at that stage after Fang, the best one probably if you need magic dmg since Hope has no com role levels yet and the best group clear com with an axis blade.
Don't know what you mean insinuating she needs upgrades to do damage, she has the second highest Str/Mag by default.
@@nezkeys79 Oh and Fang is by far the worst medic.
@AndreasFleissner Lightning is not the 2nd/3rd best damage dealer at any point. Fang, controlled Sazh, and Snow all do more damage than her at any stage of the game pretty much.
As for her ravager, it's just ok. Vanille and Hope are better ravagers because they target every elemental weakness to -aga level and have high magic stats. Conveniently, that works well with them both having medic as a primary role too and being the best two medics in the game.
As for the medic comment, Fang isn't "way worse than Lightning." Both are bad and about the same. The difference is that Fangs medic isn't a primary role. Lightning is the only character with a primary role, which is #5 / #6 rank. Both only get cura iirc. Fang can also get high magic with Taming Pole
If you don't even know what I mean about making her stats lobsided (instead of balanced) then you shouldn't really be saying anything. The AI on autobattle alternates between strikes and spells which slows her animation down. Her other most popular weapons all have low balanced stats except for the two I named so her having high balanced based stats means nothing if another character can get higher in the stat they specialise in via their weapon and passives. Lacking adrenaline is a big deal for example. It's easy to track this too. Fang Sazh and Snow will all reach 99,999 damage cap way before Lightning will
If you're comparing Fang V Lightning the only plus point for lightning is she has a ravager earlier on. This is not that important because com/rav/rav and sab/rav/rav are perfectly fine paradigms for staggering. rav rav rav isn't this "omg absolutely needed for every single encounter" thing. Also pre-emptive strikes exist (via sneaking up or using deceptisols) so it's better to switch out of ravager unless ravager is the main source of damage (vanille hope who don't have their commandos yet).
If you want a 3 rav and 3 com team it has to be three from Fang Snow Lightning Sazh. Ignoring Vanille and Fang at any stage of the game is bad because of debuffs and debilitates (and the best two synergists at max crystarium). So you're left choosing between Sazh and Lightning, and Sazh is all round better than lightning because he has a better commando if controlled, a better ravager special in Cold Blood, plus offensive buffs and enspells. He also gets the most OP T2 weapon.
Fang Snow Sazh teams downfall is that it doesn't have a medic early on though, but this is an irrelevant comparison because Lightnings medic is awful. Doctors code still exists though. Later on Sazh and Snow become the best medics anyway after vanille and hope, because of curasa. You need to sacrifice one commando role to get one of the best medics in the game. Everything is trade-offs