I am still firm in the belief that Mobius came out too soon. Most people at the time of its release didn't have a good enough phone to run it. But its battle system, story, visual style and cutscenes were all things of quality. In todays climate of things like Genshin Impact being somewhat standard now in mobile, Mobius would have been so much healthier if it had come out around 4 years later. For one, the average person would have been able to play it. Most people I knew downloaded it, saw the opening install patch size, and said no. Those who let the install finish often found it ran terribly on their device.
Never installed it, so I can't tell whether technical limitations were a reason, but I played FFBE and it seemed like the community was interested in that game more. There were also a lot of competitors in the market like COC, FE, probably even hearthstone and the like. So the game did not stand out and the market was quite saturated. Why play Mobius when all the other demand you to play 24/7? I never understood the decision to release two FF games that close to each other. I think the game just got cannibalised by its more succesful brothers.
@Rotschwinge It's possible, but their gameplay styles are inherently different enough to attract different people. One element FFBE definitely had more of that Mobius did not was crossover appeal. Mobius had crossovers, but for the most part you played as characters from Mobius. The gacha was for new moves and jobs to play as rather than new characters. (It had like, 8 crossover characters, but like 80 crossover jobs) Though to the point, almost every smartphone, including trash ones of the time could run FFBE because of its simple engine. Mobius was essentially a ps3 game, and had a steam port of to make it's graphics even higher fidelity. At that time most people's devices weren't up to snuff for running console quality graphics on mobile.
Record keeper is still active in Japanese. If you can handle translating with screenshots or other similar program, you can still play record keeper! I play it still
@PoIarization101 i really hope they eventually releases those. I dont have the funds to get a ps3 and pay for those three games at current prices even through goodwill lol
First Soldier was *insanely* fun to play when it worked. Customizing your character, helicoptor, jeep/motorcycle, AND guns was really fun. The ranked play was great and the maps were *gigantic*. Diving into abandoned houses and buildings for loot and flying through Midgar on your bike felt amazing even on the phone, and in those quiet moments where you were just hunting down players was so slick. Like, clearly the devs knew what they wanted to implement and there were SO many cool things you could do with character classes and spells, like using a Gravity to slow down your enemy or using Aero to make a wind boost and get up super high for a sniper perch someone hadn't yet thought of. One of the best phone games I've played. Leveling up each class and having them come with different abilities and melee weapons made it like you were inventing your own Apex character. If felt cool as hell, for example, being a Dragoon with the 'High Jump' ability, finding a sniper rifle, then leaping to a high vantage point. And then came the cash shop, which was the most... flabbergasting thing I've ever seen. You had to pull for each piece of armor and they were separated by gender so if you played a M avatar and you really wanted Cloud's outfit, you had better hope you got Clouds Male outfit and not the female one or vice versa. The gatcha was really difficult and it didn't help that the mobile-only game didn't expand it at all. What sucks is the -fashion- in the game, your weapons and armor, were really cool futuristic neo-tokyo like designs, colorful cyberpunk looks, as well as recognizable FF series armor and weapons. I got so fed up with bots and really, REALLY terrible gatcha systems that I quit before EOS. But -seriously- there was a game there. I know they wont, but if Square Enix ported the game to PC / Consoles and touched it up a bit or reflected it with a different IP (for whatever reason), that game would be hot as hell. I think about it all the time and wish there was something else like it, even if it wasn't an FF game. Honestly, with the amount of mobiles that SE closed over the course of a year, IDK what their plans are. Even if a game makes little profit, SE seems to throw out the entire IP and not learn from the bits that didn't work, or even the ones that really did work. It's a shame. First Soldier could have been wild on Steam.
I think the main issue was that it only released on mobile, If they had started with the game as a Pc/Console release first, and then ported to mobile later once it cemented itself as something a little more unique from the other Battle royale games that were already flooding the market.
As someone who played 1.0 of FFXIV, I really never understood the hate for it. My PC was decked out for the time though and handled the game very well. Now that I think about it, I stopped playing shortly before ARR. I kinda want to get into it again, no PC now though :/
@@tiamodA lot of the hate I've noticed comes from the fact that it's an online game in the vast majority of Final Fantasy players want to solo. The game forced them to group up and when they relaunched now you can solo the whole game and then just group up for certain bosses. Totally defeats the purpose and why I don't play it anymore.
i personally think FF2 is over hated. Sure it has its problems and flaws but never forget how old it is and how much unique ideas it brought to the franchise
I think on a historical level it's very appreciable. There is indeed a lot of ambition in the game, and a lot it did for the franchise. But the act of actually playing it? No thanks. I've beaten it twice across very different releases and at this point if I never have to play it again, good.
@@GarlyleWilds yeah i think the game aged poorly but i don’t think for its time it was a bad game. Some games age well and some don’t but that does not mean they were bad games at their peak so to say. Hope it makes sense what i am trying to say lol
Yeah, the problem was that it was a straight arcade port. If they had put more time into the console version they could have included a 1v1 mode and more content.
all they needed to do was make dissidia 012 but for pc console and then add new characters with new game releases and it could have been the next big fighting game
Hearing revenue was an issue is so sad because I would buy it. It's gotta be one of my favorite mobile games and I never got a chance to play the PC ver.
I would genuinely love to see a remake of FF2 so people can see the beauty of the story of that game. I get why people say it but I finally had the opportunity to play it for myself because of the Pixel Remaster (didn't get to play it for years) and I do think if it had the "Remake" treatment, people would value it more.
@genesisSOC Yeah, local games I still have fun with. I hate that it didn't find the audience it could've for what it wanted to do. And honestly, I liked the character art and designs as well.
I’m gutted Final Fantasy Explorers is on here! ;-; it was so dense with content and I had so much fun coming up with builds, and creating crazy skills/spells. It was impressively challenging too, something I can’t say for a lot of Final Fantasy games. I didn’t realise people didn’t like it!
Same, it sucks being in the minority who enjoyed the ideas that it brought to life. I enjoyed fighting summons and being able to transform into characters from the series.
Same, the only thing i hate about it is because it stuck on the 3ds and 3ds isn't bad but it isn't ideal to play action/actionrpg games, rip my old 3ds xl buttons for me being a mh4u fan 😅
Square's biggest lesson that they still haven't learned: STOP MAKING MOBILE GAMES. It's not that mobile games can't be good. They specifically can't make good ones. When they actually manage to make decent to good ones, those are the ones that get scrapped like Mobius or Opera Omnia. Every worst choice that can be made for the mobile sector in Square is implemented.
@@thestraydog I'm sure Dirge, like Crisis Core, will get a remake. FF7 is their cash cow (understandably. I love the franchise). Likewise, I bet all main title FF games will get the same remake treatment. Too much money to be had, lol.
Mobius FF mentioned! While glad the staff were able to continue in other projects, sad that Mobius did and still does have a chance to improve as a standalone product. I prefer the music over the story. People, the wiki editors, did wish the story was slightly revised, especially with certain elements in season 2. That meant pacing and character arcs. IMO, Vox is perfect. Anyways: "None shall remember those who do not fight..." May we meet and enjoy the world of Palamecia in whatever role we desire.
Now I'm really curious how Dissidia Opera Omnia (DFFOO) scored after seeing so many mobile games at the bottom. The game was really fun and extremely generous compared to any of their other mobile games, so it'd be fun to see where it landed.
For all Opera Omnia had its flaws, namely switching from something tactical to something high energy and swapping, it did flesh out interactions impossible to flesh out, like Reks and Vaan or more of Jecht/Braska’s group, or even the effects of how a Remnant of Sephiroth would feel if they were not just controlled by Sephiroth, or even versions of Jihl Nabaat or Xande that are less bent of being on the villain’s side or ending the world.
@@sonofashoopuf8681 It was, lol. That's one main reason it didn't get much profit at all. No other game gives hundreds of draw tickets every month like OO did. It was easy to save up and have multiple pities' worth of diamonds
Mobius is pretty underrated, deserves atleast a 3/5. I enjoyed it personally and only stopped due to a difficulty/skill wall. Tried to pick it up later again and was actually sad to see it hit EoS
I liked War of the Visions very much, but I hated that it was a mobile gatcha game. Should’ve just been a normal console game. Not easy to absorb such a big story when commuting. The story deserved your attention, especially with all the factions. I loved all the character designs too. But yeah the gatcha stuff made it really bad. You could never fully max out any character unless you got like 8 of them. Then there was how to perfect the weapons and the summons, and the job boards, and getting all the jewels to level up the job that made you use up the limited stamina etc. The game being a free to play mobile game made it less fun cuz it was those weird predatory practices that actively made too much of the game a drag. Way too grindy.
Agree with you. I also like the story & would love that Square Enix make an offline version of it as well as FFBE. I only focus on 5 character and it takes quite a long time & several resources to max them out in F2P way.
WotV was so hard to quit. I kept seeing the potential, but they just kept adding more layers of bs and I eventually had to admit it was never going to realize what it could be because it was, in the end, a money printer first. I'd love a standalone WotV game.
@ Yup. It was true added layers of bs that pushed me away too. The ONLY character I had that I was able to get to a high level was Engelbert and it was so exhausting getting him to that point. Couldn’t imagine doing that to at least 4 other characters
Would be nice if they patched it like all the bravest. Shame vid didn't mention that but then ff2 is just rote even with PR Boost, So I have low expectations.
Yeah that's basically what killed it. First Soldier was great and even had controller support on the mobile device. Personally I think it could be way bigger if Square actually decided to listen to the fans this time and release it to console and PC like everyone wanted. It was great, but their adamant idea to keep it mobile-only is why it failed
Look at Square's "reaction" to all their recent releases: make console-exclusive/mobile-only game, then have a public meltdown that it didn't sell. Their marketing department just never learns.
@@ofnir123At least now they seem to be taking notes from their sales data. But I wouldn't be surprised if FF7R-3 ends up as a Playstation exclusive, seeing as they had a deal with Playstation. Hopefully it'll be their last.
I played hundreds of hours of First Soldier. I can honestly say I loved that game. I actually only gave Ever Crisis any attention at all because of First Soldier content. Really the only thing I can say they did wrong was stubbornly refusing to port it in any way. Many fans said "please, you don't even have to up the resolution, just let me play on any other device!" but they made it so the game couldn't even be emulated. The other stuff was honestly nothing I blame the devs for. I remember at launch they made it available for download early so that you could play minute one when servers went live and made that clear in social media posts, but many people saw the download available and thought the game was just out so they launched it and thought it was a technical issue when they could not connect to the server and the app store rating took a big hit as a result. Things like that made it hard to grow the playerbase so when people felt "done" as they tend to do with any game they were never replaced with new players, only bots, which bored other players into leaving. I would be thrilled for another chance to play it, especially the 3v3 mode.
Wotv had everything to be a hit. Its playstyle resembles a lot tactics. The story already had a solid background from ffbe and there was already a player base ready on day 1. The biggest problems however outclassed the qualities. First, it was published by a disgusting predatory company, gumi. Then, what it did mostly was split the successful team of ffbe into 2 games, meaning, instead of keeping one great game such as ffbe, they tried to keep up with 2 games at the same time. What could go wrong? Well ffbe global shut down last month and I hope I'm not too pessimistic but I feel that Wotv won't be here much longer, it's a bit unfair but the ffbe player base, which is easily one of the best player bases I have ever seen, holds a bit of a grudge to Wotv because it was basically the beginning of the decline of ffbe quality content. Other than that, ff2 really? That's one of my favourites...
At first Wotv was amazing, with some bad points sure but it was getting better. But after a year they made an already complicated gameplay even more complicated and I really disliked the focus on mono elemental team composition. At some point, playing that game became exhausting so I left. I tried it again not long ago and I could not understand anything. And it is sad because as you said that game had everything to be the best but it suffered from a series of bad decisions and at this point, I don't think it can recover.
@maximetauran3415 I never played wotv so I can't really tell but I played ffbe for many years and I heard about wotv a lot. The problems you said about wotv also happened with ffbe, when they started making units to focus on a single element when at the same time keeping an unhealthy pace with their power creep is when most people started slowly quitting the game. It's sad because the story was really good and the gameplay was nothing like I've seen on a mobile game. But that's what happens when the main focus from the developers is greed instead of maintaining success
I think the decline was way earlier ( started in the first month), remember how many Gungnirs were raised before. I got excited to see that such a game was announced, unfortunately never made it back, nor do I have the time or will to play another gacha. I am still of course sad about the EoS - the FFBE community is easily the best gaming commuity I ever was part of.
FIrst Soldier should have been on consoles, i think it would've done better. Hoping they return back to Final Fantasy Explorers and Dissida in the future. Especially when Final Fantasy Explorers has so much potential to be better.
they should ditch the FFIX Remake and use the assets to make a FFIX Battle Royale MOBA with cozy farming simulator minigame, that's a good idea right?...
I enjoyed FF Mobius and was thinking of eventually going back to play it. But they ended up ending service on it. I wish they would've kept the servers going even if they had stopped adding more content.
10:23 "only if NT can break new ground" So they copied Gundam Versus but worse, and now there's no Dissidia for *anyone.* hope you're happy, Nomura. A new Dissidia on Vita would have put a Vita in my hands. No wonder the system died so fast.
I mean, FF fans tend to be rather bipolar at times, sometimes overpissy and others too forgiving (cough cough dbz quest especially 11 cough). Also something about a Blank Project?
I think Nomura is a bad director or even lead designer. All his characters look samey, all his stories are mediocre at best, and convoluted at worst (Kingdom Hearts, for example). I also dislike how they keep pushing final fantasy into an action rpg rather than a classic jrpg, something Nomura has been pushing for a lot.
I’ve said it for over 20 years now. Nomura is a vastly overrated hack that can’t hit a deadline to save his life. FFVII is all he ever had and that’s why he’s milked it for what, 27 years now? LET IT DIE!
Nomura should be praised for what he is good at, *which is design.* The problem is that they gave him too much responsibility related to what he wasn't actually experienced in, as well as not considering how creatives often need to lean on a strong organiser to flourish when working on projects. Nomura could contribute with whacky ideas here and there, but he should never be put in charge as a director for anything but design. Even then, he still needs someone who ropes him back in, and makes realistic calls. This isn't an uncommon problem in the industry, with many high profile creatives having the same problem (Kojima comes to mind). In the end, this just comes back to poor leadership. Someone should've been there to see what their experienced people were actually good at, and promote them according to that, instead of areas they're not suited for.
@@theologamer he was head character designer, replacing Hideo Minaba. FFVII was his stepping off point to his undeserved success. After Sakaguchi was fired Nomura took over and ever since it’s nothing but failure and excuses. Kingdom Hearts sucks, FFVII remakes suck, FFXIII: all 3 of them suck, FFXII: two years delayed and still sucks, FF VS XIII: became FFXV, released half finished and oh yeah… SUCKS!!!
It wasn't really good though. It was a massive disappointment. But it's one of the few experiments SE has tried I wish they would give another shot with more budget. The premise was so cool but implementation was painful.
One more chirp from me. I honestly enjoyed the progression system in FFII. It effectively let the player decide how they wanted to build their team prior to the birth of the Job Change system in FFIII and it was the first game to actually have spells get stronger the more you used them. FFII ends up middle of the pack in my tier list, far higher than games like FFVII and FFIV After Years
Yeah I would argue final fantasy 2 is definitely underrated I have the game boy advance and PSP remasters I do love this game I would argue they were better games than final fantasy 1 and 3.
My guess is most people who "hate" FF2 haven't actually played it. The implementation is clunky, but replacing XP with getting stronger at what you actually do is a great idea. The fact that hitting yourself is the best way to get HP…okay…they botched that part. But instead of just making another generic heroes of the light game, they took some risks and tried to do something new. And it even has an actual story. I think people should at least play the Pixel Remaster, which smooths out some of the problems and lets you enjoy the good parts of the game.
My money is on Dirge of Cerberus for number one. Interesting concept, crappy execution, and it's probably the most well known amongst the fandom Edit: Well, egg, meet my face.
I imagine Square Enix classed their golden age according to sales and series popularity, which was definitely at a peak between VII and XII. In defense of that, it's a more objective scale than the inevitably subjectively biased 'my favorite' rankings that everyone else comes up with. Personally I don't waste time picking a favorite, I'm overly fond of too many of the titles to worry about that. But I was curious enough what you all thought was the worst to click this vid.
Urgh, Dissidia NT is a steaming piece of ... It ruined a fantastic spin-off series :{ The only good thing it did was including Y'shtola... dont judge me.
Whats makes Dimensions 2 even worse is the fact that the first one was actually a pretty competent FF game, pretty much FFV on mobile but with a original story and a largue cast of characters, honestly a very fun game
@St4rTr3v1Ut10n D2 was originally a gacha game that went out of service and then repackaged as a paid offline game Not only it plays nothing like a FF game but it also is missing TONS of contents that did not got carried over from when it was a online gacha
Poor Firion. But yeah the lesson here is stop wasting our time with scammy gatcha system games. It's sad to see good story ideas and characters go to waste on mobile games that become lost media.
Dissidia NT is surprisingly balanced. It is noticiable how they built the system for future balancing updates. It is sad that it came with severe problems to the West. Also, I feel sad for FF II. I really enjoyed farming and attacking to upgrade my characters status.
Dissidia NT disappointed me greatly as they took what we enjoyed from Dissidia/Duodecim and threw it away. They left us with a flat storyline, no customization, and a combat system that no active player of the PSP games asked for. All we wanted was PSP Dissidia, but on console with an expanded roster and online play, that's it, and they screwed that up. It took me playing Stranger of Paradise to actively forgive Team Ninja for the damage they did to Dissidia.
I liked the IDEA of DFFNT's story: characters retain their memories of previousl conflicts and absolutely DON'T want to go through that again and work together, even with the villains, to go back home? Sign me up! The fact that the characters were actually written IN CHARACTER compared to the previous games (Terra and Cloud especially) was a plus. The problem is that Dissidia NT was not supposed to be a story-focused game, and it shows. The original idea was clearly for it to be a mindless arcade game, and they had to add some semblance of a story for a console release that was probably not taken into account.
I'm still hurting from Dissidia NT and the atrocious gameplay. They really took something absolutely incredible, with a ton of replay value and fun, and got rid of all of it. Even the gameplay is worse, with the Bravery Attacks being locked to only like two directions with no ability to learn or change them. Such a missed opportunity
I really loved Mobius, the story and gameplay were so good, apart from the drop rate on the gacha. Part 2 was even better with better job cards. I had all ultimate heroes and farmed most summon ability cards. I spent days and hours doing challenges and farming cards for long times. I would say it's not a bad game, at least according to my experience. The collab events were awesome too. I even had like 1k stamina potions left because you don't really need to use them unless you're playing for the whole day everyday. Very fond memories until it shut down. :( I'd say the horrible marketing was part of its downfall cuz I only found the game by chance. For Dissidia NT, I think the arcade thing along with simplifying movesets made the game very bad. Most of the game time was spent chasing enemies because the stages were way too wide and too chaotic with too many players. I'd love to see the psp version but remade.
I didn't realize people disliked Mobius FF that much. I didn't play it for long before servers shut down, but i had fun for what little time I spent with it.
Mobius is disappointing to see on this list because it was genuinely a refreshing take on the mobile ff game genre. I and many others loved and miss this game deeply and will never forgive them for not leaving us with a replay server 😢
I know I'm a minority but I actually really liked FFII. I was shocked how dark it was as many characters died. The progression system didn’t come out as well but coming from a lot of OG MMORPGs like Everquest and FFXI, I could really appreciate the attempt for others to utilize and get it right in the future.
FF7 The First Soldier...the game nobody wanted and nobody played. FF15 New Empire...the game nobody wanted and everybody played. Most confusing video game franchise ever.
@@KieranHamilton-y7s Er, people had been begging Square for a FF7 remake since like 2003 lol. Whatever your thoughts on the game are, I always like going back to youtube reaction videos to that E3 announcement with people losing their shit.
Anyone who buys into the Mobile FF games at this point deserve the loss of money. I swear they've shutdown as many games as they've made at this point. And yes, what NT did after dissidia duo decim managed was absolutely galling. Duodecim is legitmately good enough to be the only reason to own a PSP, NT could have just been duodecim, with more characters and a 3v3 mode, but they made all the characters shadows of what they where and it didn't have any of the fun elements.
Me after having not put any money on neither of Record Keeper, Mobius nor Opera Omnia: LOL, can't really say you're wrong tho. Sad that whatever remains of Dissidia is basically a discord server.
I think FF2 deserves a remake. There are a lot of good ideas in there and a decent story, but it's bogged down by problems that were at least partially due to the time it was made in.
Agreed, although it definitely is the 'black sheep' of the main line. FFI is easily the weakest out of the early games, but everyone gives it a pass because "it was first". It took me over a year to finish it without a guide, simply because I didn't know where to find the bottle. FFII is significantly more linear and grindy by comparison, but it has a better story and is a lot closer to FFIV than you'd think at first glance. The staff who did FFIV obviously took some inspiration from it.
@@LabCat _Final Fantasy_ was a product of its time. It was about as helpful as _Dragon Quest_ was; that is, obscure at best. Also worth noting is that the original came with a manual with a walkthrough, complete with a map and bestiary. My memory of these things has faded over 35 years, however.
Absolute best, even if Opera Omnia and Mobius were not thay far behind, it was clear that RK was something especial, despite the gacha. Couldn't jump to JP when Global died, suffering that heartbreak twice? I'm not that masochistic...
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Personally I think FFII is over hated, maybe it's because I've only played the PSP version, but it's relaxing to play, a bit mindless, one of those "I like went numbers go up" kind of game but enjoyable nonetheless
@speedrunz5life sounds like a skill issue to me... Ok, I'm just joking, it's definitely far from being the best I just don't think is as bad as some people think
in my opinion final fantasy became final fantasy with the second game and that's not nostalgia they are not even my first final fantasy games that would be 7,8 and 9 I didn't get to play the first two games until I got the remasters for the game boy advance and PSP years later in my teens.
The Battle Royal was amazing. Best one I've played. Main problem is that the market was already saturated and pulling new players was impossible. FFXV a new empire was OK, not the best. Main problem found was that I couldn't find an alliance without kiddies with a power ego trip. Even the members would fall in line like toxic little bullies do. Never seen a player base so toxic.
All The Bravest being dead last is unsurprising. When it first dropped, absolutely nobody wanted it since overmonetization was already a hot button topic in the west, and it price-gated out any f2p fans that would go to bat for it.
It seems ATB (yuck, even for as not veteran as I am, it feels _wrong_ to dignify it with _that_ acronym) is the only time the entire FF fanbase ever agreed on something (Including myself of course). Even if this list was just a reverse popularity contest I will take that place as Gospel, and please Square, for the love of FUCK, never again...
That's how you know how the community is made of people that really want different things. Don't get me wrong, games like all the bravest, Dissidia NT and all those online with microtransactions games deserve to be there but games like Explorer, Crystal bearer or in particular FFII do not deserve to be as low as they are perceive to be. I guess Explorer and CB are more so a question of taste in Gameplay where they are not top dogs either by any mean but FFII is actually quite good and has been made better with the newer iterations of it through time. It really feels like it's just the effect of an echo chamber where it is okay to just bash FFII because it is somewhat an underlying truth within the community.
Fellow weirdo here; 7 is overrated and overhyped, imo. It's like the Empire (Star Wars reference) of Final Fantasy, where everyone's milking it for all it's worth and draining themselves of usable storylines. FF4 could use some more expansions, or 12. Like we only hear and see so much of the brothers' relationships! And considering how both games have a hero and villain brother duo, it would be super interesting and could expand upon what you see in their respective games! Let's see how Golbez used to work under Zemus' control or find out how Gabranth became a Judge Magister, and how they all lived as children! So much to do with these guys, but nahhhh, let's go back to Cloud and Sephiroth because they're the Best Boys and EVERYONE LOVES THEM~~~~~ Honestly I'd love games where you could play as the villain as well. I know Stranger in Paradise is one, but tbh...I want one that's more accessible and also not as gory. I couldn't go through the first cutscene without feeling sick. I wanted a Garland story, but that was...Too much. I never went back to that game's scenes, and I was merely watching them on YT due to not having a console to play the game.
Hating 7 doesn't make you special, there are load of haters that think they're special and different for it but its a rather common opinion i see online. The more popular something is the more vocal the haters are. If FF7 wasn't popular I bet you wouldn't have that strong of an opinion.
FF RECPRD KEEPER was by far my favorite mobile game. It was so much fun, and I never made a single purchase yet still became ridiculously overpowered. It was awesome! I genuinely miss that game.
I won’t argue that the original NES version of FF2 is pretty bad (easily the worst main numbered game, bar none), but honestly, the many re-releases since have made it a completely fine experience. The leveling system will never not be weird, but everything else has been smoothed out to the point that it’s really not an issue.
I actually really enjoyed first soldier. My reasoning is probably unique to others though. The reason being is it molded my childhood of playing final fantasy 7 and being in midgar and then my son's playing with me as the very obvious Battle Royale like fortnite that they love so much. It's too bad they didn't release it on multiple platforms.
Mobius wasn’t bad. Right up until they started releasing premium jobs for insane amounts of money. Basically turning the game in to pay to win for more money than a brand new AAA game would cost.
I’m so sick of 7 can we please just be done with 7, move on, I so much prefer new IP or new installments over remakes and remasters pleeeease stop with all the 7 stuuuuuuf SE!!!! 😭
I’ll never shut up about this: the real reason the first soldier died was because it was themed after ff7 which made no sense and should’ve been themed ff8 with the gardens fighting for supremacy.
Only Gardens didn’t fight for supremacy but were created to fight witches, right? I did love it in the game when Balamb got attacked. The vibe and CGI was so cool.
Hadn't played FFII until this year, and my biggest problem with it is that the world and dungeon designs are obsessed with random encounters. Most dungeons have a guess-the-door mechanic where there will be 2-5 doors and only one of them will let you progress, and if you guess wrong you end up in the middle of an empty room and usually face an encounter trying to leave. As far as I know there's no way to know which door is the right one without trial and error, so it wastes time and feels bad. The world is gigantic and mostly empty, so it takes a long time to get anywhere, thus leading to even more encounters. It's just not as much of a crafted experience as the rest of the series, but it's still not nearly as bad as its reputation.
Hearing Nomura's name being part of bad decisions I can't say I am surprised. I'm surprised that he even knows that his ideas at times can be insane and needs somebody to check him. Too bad Hironobu Sakaguchi hadn't been there to do just that to him or we would of have less bad games. Also, I despise Square Enix for their evil manipulation of players using gacha mechanics and mobile crap. I am so happy many of them failed in the end.
Man, could you imagine if First Soldier was like, some sort of Platinum styled character action game, starring Sephiroth? God. Damn. That would have kicked ass. I don't even like 7 all that much.
I'm honestly surprised FF Explorers is on this list. I got this game and enjoyed the heck out of it as a nice mix of FF and Monster Hunter. It was a nice feel of how small you are when you fought someone like Alexander.
War of the Visions would have been such a great game if the crazy monetization didn’t kill it for so many of us. The characters, story, and gameplay were all really solid. But man… our poor wallets…
That's what I've always been saying. The experience system, which is the main thing people talk about when it comes to II's flaws, isn't anywhere near as bad as they chalk it up to be. The story is great, and the music and the Amano art are some of the best in the early games.
Honestly, I want to play this on the PSP. I admit, I hate the Emperor, but that means I'd have the pleasure of kicking his ass like I did Sephiroth, lol. Personally, I feel like FFVII is an overrated game, just like people overhate II (though I didn't know that people hated II that much, much less for the reasons mentioned - I would've thought it was more due to "uncreativity" or something).
@@OverlordZeroULTIMA I've played and beaten FF2 on PS1, GBA, PSP and PR. I hate it just the same every single time. It's bad and not hated enough. I love its story, characters and especially music, but it's all destroyed by the terrible leveling system. It needs way more hate.
People have different tastes in FF games? No way! Look, from my experience - and yes it is anecdotal - the one people love the most would be the first FF game they have experienced. I love FF7 the most as it was my first FF because I never played FF6, but I had richer friends who played FF6 first and scream that FF6 is the best. Then we get people who actually like FF13 because they played that first. Nostalgia is a powerful thing
I played the original FF as my first and played at least a couple others before FFVII and yet, FFVII is my favorite. There's a lot more to it than nostalgia. VII and VI are pretty consistently the two debated as being the best of the series, even amongst fans who didn't grow up with them, but still played older titles after getting into the franchise via newer titles.
Not to me I despise people's attachment to nostalgia. FFIV was my first Final Fantasy game. VI is my favorite, it created everything VII was wrongly credited for, while also having more consistent writing
I played 13 after playing all the other mainline games (except 11, 14, and 16) and I think 13 is a top 3 for me now. I don't think it has much replayablity due to its linearity though. The paradigm battle system was rad.
@@RyuKnightAlex I played 6 and 7 for the first time in recent years, as well as most of the mainline games. I wouldn't put either in my top 2. They were good though. There are only two games I quit before completion and loved the rest. I just think maybe Kefka and Sephiroth were underwhelming compared to my expectations from all the online praise.
Ff2 on here is insane to me. It is one of my favorite ff games. It allows for so much freedom and replayability like ffv does. It tried mechanics games to this day copy that people love. I replay it every year or two with restrictions and role-playing with characters. It is so much fun playing with restrictions and the leveling system is a lot of fun for anyone that enjoys grinding even a little. I see the flaws but it was the second game in the series and tried so much new which people don't seem to look at and embrace.
The true golden age of FF was 4 through 10. 1 was primitive but iconic, 2 and 3 weren't released until much later and were lesser FF games anyway. 4 was a banger (we missed 5) 6 was a banger 7 was a banger 8 was... there 9 was a banger 10 was a banger And somewhere between those we also got Tactics, which was also a banger.
X was not a banger, I would argue. Awful writing, bad characters, really weak worldbuilding, probably the worst villains in the series, and a completely rushed and disappointing endgame. Not to mention the horribly designed minigames and the lack of optional content. People wouldn't like it so much if they didn't have nostalgia blindless and the fact that it was such an impressive looking PS2 game for its time. Probably the most overrated RPG I've seen.
@@AnaverdGaiden While I can understand (if not fully agree with) the dislike for X... Dude, "crono" triger and "dragon" quest exist, there's no way you can legit think Final Fantasy X is _the_ most overrated.
This is pretty much the comment I was looking for. The golden age definitely started with 4. 4-7 were all S tier games to me with 9 and 10 being A tier to me. I don’t dislike 8 but it’s like you said, it’s just kind of there to me.
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I am still firm in the belief that Mobius came out too soon. Most people at the time of its release didn't have a good enough phone to run it. But its battle system, story, visual style and cutscenes were all things of quality.
In todays climate of things like Genshin Impact being somewhat standard now in mobile, Mobius would have been so much healthier if it had come out around 4 years later.
For one, the average person would have been able to play it. Most people I knew downloaded it, saw the opening install patch size, and said no. Those who let the install finish often found it ran terribly on their device.
I really enjoyed mobius. I wish it was still online or they could some how make an offline version to it
Never installed it, so I can't tell whether technical limitations were a reason, but I played FFBE and it seemed like the community was interested in that game more.
There were also a lot of competitors in the market like COC, FE, probably even hearthstone and the like.
So the game did not stand out and the market was quite saturated.
Why play Mobius when all the other demand you to play 24/7? I never understood the decision to release two FF games that close to each other. I think the game just got cannibalised by its more succesful brothers.
@Rotschwinge It's possible, but their gameplay styles are inherently different enough to attract different people. One element FFBE definitely had more of that Mobius did not was crossover appeal. Mobius had crossovers, but for the most part you played as characters from Mobius. The gacha was for new moves and jobs to play as rather than new characters. (It had like, 8 crossover characters, but like 80 crossover jobs)
Though to the point, almost every smartphone, including trash ones of the time could run FFBE because of its simple engine. Mobius was essentially a ps3 game, and had a steam port of to make it's graphics even higher fidelity. At that time most people's devices weren't up to snuff for running console quality graphics on mobile.
Morbius raaaaaa ☝😈😈😈😈
I played that on iPad back in the day. It really wasn’t all that tbh
It really does bug me that A New Empire is still around while Opera Omnia and Record Keeper were shut down.
Understandable. I've played the heck out of those two. Meanwhile, I've not heard of A New Empire.
It's all about the money. If the game isn't profitable, there's no longer a reason to keep it running.
Record keeper is still active in Japanese. If you can handle translating with screenshots or other similar program, you can still play record keeper! I play it still
ANE is a blight on our species
Mobileslop.
Final Fantasy X-2 lovers, we won LOL
Gross lol.
Rock on!!!❤❤❤❤
Same with FFXIII series fans lol 😭
@PoIarization101 i really hope they eventually releases those. I dont have the funds to get a ps3 and pay for those three games at current prices even through goodwill lol
@@PoIarization101 Yep.. it's called Odin Sphere padded out with grinding giant turtles. lol
First Soldier was *insanely* fun to play when it worked. Customizing your character, helicoptor, jeep/motorcycle, AND guns was really fun. The ranked play was great and the maps were *gigantic*. Diving into abandoned houses and buildings for loot and flying through Midgar on your bike felt amazing even on the phone, and in those quiet moments where you were just hunting down players was so slick. Like, clearly the devs knew what they wanted to implement and there were SO many cool things you could do with character classes and spells, like using a Gravity to slow down your enemy or using Aero to make a wind boost and get up super high for a sniper perch someone hadn't yet thought of. One of the best phone games I've played. Leveling up each class and having them come with different abilities and melee weapons made it like you were inventing your own Apex character. If felt cool as hell, for example, being a Dragoon with the 'High Jump' ability, finding a sniper rifle, then leaping to a high vantage point.
And then came the cash shop, which was the most... flabbergasting thing I've ever seen. You had to pull for each piece of armor and they were separated by gender so if you played a M avatar and you really wanted Cloud's outfit, you had better hope you got Clouds Male outfit and not the female one or vice versa. The gatcha was really difficult and it didn't help that the mobile-only game didn't expand it at all. What sucks is the -fashion- in the game, your weapons and armor, were really cool futuristic neo-tokyo like designs, colorful cyberpunk looks, as well as recognizable FF series armor and weapons.
I got so fed up with bots and really, REALLY terrible gatcha systems that I quit before EOS. But -seriously- there was a game there. I know they wont, but if Square Enix ported the game to PC / Consoles and touched it up a bit or reflected it with a different IP (for whatever reason), that game would be hot as hell. I think about it all the time and wish there was something else like it, even if it wasn't an FF game.
Honestly, with the amount of mobiles that SE closed over the course of a year, IDK what their plans are. Even if a game makes little profit, SE seems to throw out the entire IP and not learn from the bits that didn't work, or even the ones that really did work. It's a shame. First Soldier could have been wild on Steam.
Well they are bringing back old games like Dissidia.. so it is possible..
I think the main issue was that it only released on mobile, If they had started with the game as a Pc/Console release first, and then ported to mobile later once it cemented itself as something a little more unique from the other Battle royale games that were already flooding the market.
i agree, if they ported to PC it definitely be popular
@@EricSanAltarez What do you mean they bringing back Dissidia?
It should’ve been a console release!
I'm shocked that 14's 2010 release isn't on there, considering it was so bad it almost ended the franchise and they had to nuke it.
I am too, but I'll bet most people that follow FFU are vastly more familiar with 14's re-launch than what it originally was.
They didn't nuke it though, they dropped a small moon with an apocalytpic dragon god inside on it
@@borgmardunkleson2225 *Answers intensifies*
As someone who played 1.0 of FFXIV, I really never understood the hate for it. My PC was decked out for the time though and handled the game very well. Now that I think about it, I stopped playing shortly before ARR. I kinda want to get into it again, no PC now though :/
@@tiamodA lot of the hate I've noticed comes from the fact that it's an online game in the vast majority of Final Fantasy players want to solo. The game forced them to group up and when they relaunched now you can solo the whole game and then just group up for certain bosses. Totally defeats the purpose and why I don't play it anymore.
i personally think FF2 is over hated. Sure it has its problems and flaws but never forget how old it is and how much unique ideas it brought to the franchise
I think on a historical level it's very appreciable. There is indeed a lot of ambition in the game, and a lot it did for the franchise.
But the act of actually playing it? No thanks. I've beaten it twice across very different releases and at this point if I never have to play it again, good.
FF2 is neither over-hated nor under-hated. It gets the exact amount of hate that it deserves, which is a lot.
@@GarlyleWilds yeah i think the game aged poorly but i don’t think for its time it was a bad game. Some games age well and some don’t but that does not mean they were bad games at their peak so to say. Hope it makes sense what i am trying to say lol
the international version makes X-2 way better so much variety and endings lol
If FF2 was branded as a SaGa game instead of a FF game people would hate it a lot less.
I think forcing the 3v3 in Dissidia NT was a terrible choice. Made it harder ro find games, and the AI teammates are atrocious.
Yeah, the problem was that it was a straight arcade port. If they had put more time into the console version they could have included a 1v1 mode and more content.
all they needed to do was make dissidia 012 but for pc console and then add new characters with new game releases and it could have been the next big fighting game
I hate that Dissidia is effectively dead now because of NT. I pray that someday they can port Duodecim to modern platforms.
WHAT, I loved Mobius Final Fantasy :(
One of my favs 💯
Me too
Always remember the names of those who fought
Same. Don’t care what anyone has to say, Mobius got me through some tough times. I’ll always miss it.
Hearing revenue was an issue is so sad because I would buy it. It's gotta be one of my favorite mobile games and I never got a chance to play the PC ver.
I'm so sad about Dissidia NT. Figured it would be on here.
I would genuinely love to see a remake of FF2 so people can see the beauty of the story of that game. I get why people say it but I finally had the opportunity to play it for myself because of the Pixel Remaster (didn't get to play it for years) and I do think if it had the "Remake" treatment, people would value it more.
Dissidia NT at least is a blast in local multiplayer lobbies. I still play with randoms on Discord.
@genesisSOC Yeah, local games I still have fun with. I hate that it didn't find the audience it could've for what it wanted to do. And honestly, I liked the character art and designs as well.
Same. But it sucked because of the forced multiplayer game. Dissidia and Dissidia Duodecim were far superior. I wish we could've had Rinoa there.
It could have been a good game with some minor changes.
I wish there was finalk fantasy mobius offline, so we could play it when servers are down.
Same for Final Fantasy Record Keeper. I was hoping the success of Mega Man X Dive Offline would prove offline versions could be viable.
@@andrewhudson7108 I miss record keeper :(
RK is still playable on JP. I just quit for good last week, even though its still the best gacha or mobile game Ive played
Cough "Blank Project" Cough.
Seems I dropped something...
Or Dissidia Opera Omnia.
I’m gutted Final Fantasy Explorers is on here! ;-; it was so dense with content and I had so much fun coming up with builds, and creating crazy skills/spells.
It was impressively challenging too, something I can’t say for a lot of Final Fantasy games. I didn’t realise people didn’t like it!
Same, it sucks being in the minority who enjoyed the ideas that it brought to life. I enjoyed fighting summons and being able to transform into characters from the series.
Same, the only thing i hate about it is because it stuck on the 3ds and 3ds isn't bad but it isn't ideal to play action/actionrpg games, rip my old 3ds xl buttons for me being a mh4u fan 😅
Square's biggest lesson that they still haven't learned: STOP MAKING MOBILE GAMES. It's not that mobile games can't be good. They specifically can't make good ones. When they actually manage to make decent to good ones, those are the ones that get scrapped like Mobius or Opera Omnia. Every worst choice that can be made for the mobile sector in Square is implemented.
*Checks video to make sure Dirge of Cerberus is not included*
Me: Good
Stranger of Paradise for me.
We really need a remaster/remake for DoC especially with the recent reemergence of love for the VII franchise.
@@thestraydog I'm sure Dirge, like Crisis Core, will get a remake. FF7 is their cash cow (understandably. I love the franchise). Likewise, I bet all main title FF games will get the same remake treatment. Too much money to be had, lol.
If it wasn't for the DLCs the game had, it will definitely be in the video @TheCyclicGamer
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley Don't forget the First Soldier!
Mobius FF mentioned! While glad the staff were able to continue in other projects, sad that Mobius did and still does have a chance to improve as a standalone product. I prefer the music over the story. People, the wiki editors, did wish the story was slightly revised, especially with certain elements in season 2. That meant pacing and character arcs. IMO, Vox is perfect.
Anyways:
"None shall remember those who do not fight..." May we meet and enjoy the world of Palamecia in whatever role we desire.
Now I'm really curious how Dissidia Opera Omnia (DFFOO) scored after seeing so many mobile games at the bottom. The game was really fun and extremely generous compared to any of their other mobile games, so it'd be fun to see where it landed.
I pity DFFOO...
For all Opera Omnia had its flaws, namely switching from something tactical to something high energy and swapping, it did flesh out interactions impossible to flesh out, like Reks and Vaan or more of Jecht/Braska’s group, or even the effects of how a Remnant of Sephiroth would feel if they were not just controlled by Sephiroth, or even versions of Jihl Nabaat or Xande that are less bent of being on the villain’s side or ending the world.
@@iantaakalla8180Yeah, I didn’t play for long, but Opera Omnia was amazing. Damn, I wish I could play that again.
Gotta disagree with that one, yeah it was fun but "extremely generous"? Definitely wasn't like that when i was playing
@@sonofashoopuf8681 It was, lol. That's one main reason it didn't get much profit at all. No other game gives hundreds of draw tickets every month like OO did. It was easy to save up and have multiple pities' worth of diamonds
Mobius is pretty underrated, deserves atleast a 3/5. I enjoyed it personally and only stopped due to a difficulty/skill wall. Tried to pick it up later again and was actually sad to see it hit EoS
Square Enix really likes wasting their money
It's called chasing the dragon... money always muddies up art.
Would you prefer a Game Freak-style approach? :P
Best example are their mobile games....😅
@@dionysusmclaren12 It's crazy how many mobile games there are and most of them barely have 1k downloads
And taking ours also
I’m sad that mobius ended up here, I really miss that game.
Always remember the names of those who fought
I liked War of the Visions very much, but I hated that it was a mobile gatcha game. Should’ve just been a normal console game. Not easy to absorb such a big story when commuting. The story deserved your attention, especially with all the factions. I loved all the character designs too. But yeah the gatcha stuff made it really bad. You could never fully max out any character unless you got like 8 of them. Then there was how to perfect the weapons and the summons, and the job boards, and getting all the jewels to level up the job that made you use up the limited stamina etc. The game being a free to play mobile game made it less fun cuz it was those weird predatory practices that actively made too much of the game a drag. Way too grindy.
Agree with you. I also like the story & would love that Square Enix make an offline version of it as well as FFBE. I only focus on 5 character and it takes quite a long time & several resources to max them out in F2P way.
@ Yup playing the game F2P is such an arduous task. I also liked BE as well. Shame the cool characters and stories are relegated to dead mobile games.
WotV was so hard to quit. I kept seeing the potential, but they just kept adding more layers of bs and I eventually had to admit it was never going to realize what it could be because it was, in the end, a money printer first.
I'd love a standalone WotV game.
@ Yup. It was true added layers of bs that pushed me away too. The ONLY character I had that I was able to get to a high level was Engelbert and it was so exhausting getting him to that point. Couldn’t imagine doing that to at least 4 other characters
Would be nice if they patched it like all the bravest. Shame vid didn't mention that but then ff2 is just rote even with PR Boost, So I have low expectations.
Final Fantasy II is not that bad. It did have some good ideas, and the Pixel Remaster has basically fixed the issues with it.
I’m still bitter about First Soldier not getting a PC release
Yeah that's basically what killed it. First Soldier was great and even had controller support on the mobile device. Personally I think it could be way bigger if Square actually decided to listen to the fans this time and release it to console and PC like everyone wanted. It was great, but their adamant idea to keep it mobile-only is why it failed
Look at Square's "reaction" to all their recent releases: make console-exclusive/mobile-only game, then have a public meltdown that it didn't sell. Their marketing department just never learns.
Yeah honestly the game looked good. Add crossplay and a PC port and it'll help with the playerbase
@@ofnir123At least now they seem to be taking notes from their sales data. But I wouldn't be surprised if FF7R-3 ends up as a Playstation exclusive, seeing as they had a deal with Playstation. Hopefully it'll be their last.
I played FF2 for the first time on NES recently, and I liked it more than FF1
I never played the original release but I do own the game boy advance and PSP remasters and I fell in love with the game when I played those.
It's much more interesting than the original.
Yeah, FFII isn't a bad game by any means. I'm confused how people praise FFVIII and X so much while deriding II.
@@AnaverdGaiden I preferred II over VIII personally
I'm just here to make sure Stranger of Paradise isn't on this list.
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I played hundreds of hours of First Soldier. I can honestly say I loved that game. I actually only gave Ever Crisis any attention at all because of First Soldier content. Really the only thing I can say they did wrong was stubbornly refusing to port it in any way. Many fans said "please, you don't even have to up the resolution, just let me play on any other device!" but they made it so the game couldn't even be emulated. The other stuff was honestly nothing I blame the devs for. I remember at launch they made it available for download early so that you could play minute one when servers went live and made that clear in social media posts, but many people saw the download available and thought the game was just out so they launched it and thought it was a technical issue when they could not connect to the server and the app store rating took a big hit as a result. Things like that made it hard to grow the playerbase so when people felt "done" as they tend to do with any game they were never replaced with new players, only bots, which bored other players into leaving. I would be thrilled for another chance to play it, especially the 3v3 mode.
Wotv had everything to be a hit. Its playstyle resembles a lot tactics. The story already had a solid background from ffbe and there was already a player base ready on day 1. The biggest problems however outclassed the qualities. First, it was published by a disgusting predatory company, gumi. Then, what it did mostly was split the successful team of ffbe into 2 games, meaning, instead of keeping one great game such as ffbe, they tried to keep up with 2 games at the same time. What could go wrong? Well ffbe global shut down last month and I hope I'm not too pessimistic but I feel that Wotv won't be here much longer, it's a bit unfair but the ffbe player base, which is easily one of the best player bases I have ever seen, holds a bit of a grudge to Wotv because it was basically the beginning of the decline of ffbe quality content.
Other than that, ff2 really? That's one of my favourites...
At first Wotv was amazing, with some bad points sure but it was getting better. But after a year they made an already complicated gameplay even more complicated and I really disliked the focus on mono elemental team composition. At some point, playing that game became exhausting so I left. I tried it again not long ago and I could not understand anything. And it is sad because as you said that game had everything to be the best but it suffered from a series of bad decisions and at this point, I don't think it can recover.
@maximetauran3415 I never played wotv so I can't really tell but I played ffbe for many years and I heard about wotv a lot. The problems you said about wotv also happened with ffbe, when they started making units to focus on a single element when at the same time keeping an unhealthy pace with their power creep is when most people started slowly quitting the game. It's sad because the story was really good and the gameplay was nothing like I've seen on a mobile game. But that's what happens when the main focus from the developers is greed instead of maintaining success
I think the decline was way earlier ( started in the first month), remember how many Gungnirs were raised before. I got excited to see that such a game was announced, unfortunately never made it back, nor do I have the time or will to play another gacha. I am still of course sad about the EoS - the FFBE community is easily the best gaming commuity I ever was part of.
FIrst Soldier should have been on consoles, i think it would've done better.
Hoping they return back to Final Fantasy Explorers and Dissida in the future. Especially when Final Fantasy Explorers has so much potential to be better.
Fear confirmed: Nomura is an artistic genius AND managerial HACK at the same time. Go back to the art department where you're needed bro.
Eh, his art style is ok. I prefer the Amano artwork personally
they should ditch the FFIX Remake and use the assets to make a FFIX Battle Royale MOBA with cozy farming simulator minigame, that's a good idea right?...
BRILLIANT, you're just the man Square Enix management wants! xD
Möbius was great though?!?
My takeaway:
If Nomura greenlights your project, you're already dead.
Nomura's games only work when Nomura directs them.
@@ProxyDoug Not really. Sometimes yes, but *gestures to Kingdom Hearts* sometimes it's a bit of a mess.
@vladtepes1047 I usually don’t agree with vampires, but today I do
Mobius 😢
"None shall remember the names of those who do not fight."
"Give us a hug, kupo..."
S Yellow, the name of one who fought
It's mobin time
Excuse me, Dimensions 2 is amazing, and Mobius Final Fantasy kept me alive when times was bad, how dare Mobius be on this list
I enjoyed FF Mobius and was thinking of eventually going back to play it. But they ended up ending service on it. I wish they would've kept the servers going even if they had stopped adding more content.
Didnt expect mobius will be here. Really liked the game tbh
Always remember the names of those who fought
10:23 "only if NT can break new ground"
So they copied Gundam Versus but worse, and now there's no Dissidia for *anyone.* hope you're happy, Nomura.
A new Dissidia on Vita would have put a Vita in my hands. No wonder the system died so fast.
I actually loved Mobius with all my heart... I wish it was higher up...
Always remember the names of those who fought
I mean, FF fans tend to be rather bipolar at times, sometimes overpissy and others too forgiving (cough cough dbz quest especially 11 cough).
Also something about a Blank Project?
Nomura is present in all the bad decisions. Something to ponder about.
I think Nomura is a bad director or even lead designer. All his characters look samey, all his stories are mediocre at best, and convoluted at worst (Kingdom Hearts, for example). I also dislike how they keep pushing final fantasy into an action rpg rather than a classic jrpg, something Nomura has been pushing for a lot.
I’ve said it for over 20 years now. Nomura is a vastly overrated hack that can’t hit a deadline to save his life. FFVII is all he ever had and that’s why he’s milked it for what, 27 years now? LET IT DIE!
@mikemccann978 and he wasnt responsible for VII. He was a character designer, that's it.
Nomura should be praised for what he is good at, *which is design.*
The problem is that they gave him too much responsibility related to what he wasn't actually experienced in, as well as not considering how creatives often need to lean on a strong organiser to flourish when working on projects.
Nomura could contribute with whacky ideas here and there, but he should never be put in charge as a director for anything but design. Even then, he still needs someone who ropes him back in, and makes realistic calls.
This isn't an uncommon problem in the industry, with many high profile creatives having the same problem (Kojima comes to mind).
In the end, this just comes back to poor leadership. Someone should've been there to see what their experienced people were actually good at, and promote them according to that, instead of areas they're not suited for.
@@theologamer he was head character designer, replacing Hideo Minaba. FFVII was his stepping off point to his undeserved success. After Sakaguchi was fired Nomura took over and ever since it’s nothing but failure and excuses. Kingdom Hearts sucks, FFVII remakes suck, FFXIII: all 3 of them suck, FFXII: two years delayed and still sucks, FF VS XIII: became FFXV, released half finished and oh yeah… SUCKS!!!
mobius, i will forever miss you :c
Final Fantasy Explorers wasn't that bad
My friends and I got it because we are all fans of Monster Hunter.
I liked it because I got to be a Blue Mage, the best class.
@@speedrunz5lifeI really liked it honestly
The Eidolon Sealing method was junk... but the rest was fun
It wasn't really good though. It was a massive disappointment. But it's one of the few experiments SE has tried I wish they would give another shot with more budget. The premise was so cool but implementation was painful.
One more chirp from me. I honestly enjoyed the progression system in FFII. It effectively let the player decide how they wanted to build their team prior to the birth of the Job Change system in FFIII and it was the first game to actually have spells get stronger the more you used them. FFII ends up middle of the pack in my tier list, far higher than games like FFVII and FFIV After Years
Yeah I would argue final fantasy 2 is definitely underrated I have the game boy advance and PSP remasters I do love this game I would argue they were better games than final fantasy 1 and 3.
My guess is most people who "hate" FF2 haven't actually played it. The implementation is clunky, but replacing XP with getting stronger at what you actually do is a great idea. The fact that hitting yourself is the best way to get HP…okay…they botched that part. But instead of just making another generic heroes of the light game, they took some risks and tried to do something new. And it even has an actual story. I think people should at least play the Pixel Remaster, which smooths out some of the problems and lets you enjoy the good parts of the game.
@@st0rmchildMaking NEW shit is still making shit
My money is on Dirge of Cerberus for number one. Interesting concept, crappy execution, and it's probably the most well known amongst the fandom
Edit: Well, egg, meet my face.
How dare you say Mobius is bad :(
He didn't... This is based on consensus.
I imagine Square Enix classed their golden age according to sales and series popularity, which was definitely at a peak between VII and XII. In defense of that, it's a more objective scale than the inevitably subjectively biased 'my favorite' rankings that everyone else comes up with. Personally I don't waste time picking a favorite, I'm overly fond of too many of the titles to worry about that. But I was curious enough what you all thought was the worst to click this vid.
Urgh, Dissidia NT is a steaming piece of ...
It ruined a fantastic spin-off series :{
The only good thing it did was including Y'shtola... dont judge me.
The best thing about Dissidia NT was the birth of DFFOO - Which outlived it.
Best Gacha I've ever played and I miss it
Wack, I didnt think Mobius was THAT bad
Whats makes Dimensions 2 even worse is the fact that the first one was actually a pretty competent FF game, pretty much FFV on mobile but with a original story and a largue cast of characters, honestly a very fun game
Dimensions 2 sucked?? Aww man I completely forgot about it literally till your comment! I really liked the first one, in fact I might re-download it!
@St4rTr3v1Ut10n D2 was originally a gacha game that went out of service and then repackaged as a paid offline game
Not only it plays nothing like a FF game but it also is missing TONS of contents that did not got carried over from when it was a online gacha
@@akiradkcn Ah shit aight then I get you
Mobius was an Amazing game in my opinion.
Poor Firion. But yeah the lesson here is stop wasting our time with scammy gatcha system games. It's sad to see good story ideas and characters go to waste on mobile games that become lost media.
Dissidia NT is surprisingly balanced. It is noticiable how they built the system for future balancing updates. It is sad that it came with severe problems to the West. Also, I feel sad for FF II. I really enjoyed farming and attacking to upgrade my characters status.
Dissidia NT disappointed me greatly as they took what we enjoyed from Dissidia/Duodecim and threw it away. They left us with a flat storyline, no customization, and a combat system that no active player of the PSP games asked for. All we wanted was PSP Dissidia, but on console with an expanded roster and online play, that's it, and they screwed that up. It took me playing Stranger of Paradise to actively forgive Team Ninja for the damage they did to Dissidia.
I liked the IDEA of DFFNT's story: characters retain their memories of previousl conflicts and absolutely DON'T want to go through that again and work together, even with the villains, to go back home? Sign me up! The fact that the characters were actually written IN CHARACTER compared to the previous games (Terra and Cloud especially) was a plus.
The problem is that Dissidia NT was not supposed to be a story-focused game, and it shows. The original idea was clearly for it to be a mindless arcade game, and they had to add some semblance of a story for a console release that was probably not taken into account.
I'm still hurting from Dissidia NT and the atrocious gameplay. They really took something absolutely incredible, with a ton of replay value and fun, and got rid of all of it. Even the gameplay is worse, with the Bravery Attacks being locked to only like two directions with no ability to learn or change them. Such a missed opportunity
I really loved Mobius, the story and gameplay were so good, apart from the drop rate on the gacha. Part 2 was even better with better job cards. I had all ultimate heroes and farmed most summon ability cards. I spent days and hours doing challenges and farming cards for long times. I would say it's not a bad game, at least according to my experience. The collab events were awesome too. I even had like 1k stamina potions left because you don't really need to use them unless you're playing for the whole day everyday. Very fond memories until it shut down. :( I'd say the horrible marketing was part of its downfall cuz I only found the game by chance.
For Dissidia NT, I think the arcade thing along with simplifying movesets made the game very bad. Most of the game time was spent chasing enemies because the stages were way too wide and too chaotic with too many players. I'd love to see the psp version but remade.
I may be biased, but Mobius was a phenomenal game. I do not agree at all!
Indeed.
I second that.
Definitely don't deserve to be this low
i was sad. i spent a lot on it and quite liked how casual it was. i agree it was a decent title.
I didn't realize people disliked Mobius FF that much. I didn't play it for long before servers shut down, but i had fun for what little time I spent with it.
Hard disagree with Mobius and Dimensions 2. Had a lot of funs with those. Still sad Mobius died.
Mobius is disappointing to see on this list because it was genuinely a refreshing take on the mobile ff game genre. I and many others loved and miss this game deeply and will never forgive them for not leaving us with a replay server 😢
Mobius FF was fun and has epic music.
The music was amazing. I can't get the battle theme off my head at times.
Always remember the names of those who fought
I know I'm a minority but I actually really liked FFII. I was shocked how dark it was as many characters died.
The progression system didn’t come out as well but coming from a lot of OG MMORPGs like Everquest and FFXI, I could really appreciate the attempt for others to utilize and get it right in the future.
FF7 The First Soldier...the game nobody wanted and nobody played. FF15 New Empire...the game nobody wanted and everybody played. Most confusing video game franchise ever.
FF7R, the game nobody asked for and nobody bought.
@@KieranHamilton-y7s Er, people had been begging Square for a FF7 remake since like 2003 lol. Whatever your thoughts on the game are, I always like going back to youtube reaction videos to that E3 announcement with people losing their shit.
Anyone who buys into the Mobile FF games at this point deserve the loss of money. I swear they've shutdown as many games as they've made at this point. And yes, what NT did after dissidia duo decim managed was absolutely galling. Duodecim is legitmately good enough to be the only reason to own a PSP, NT could have just been duodecim, with more characters and a 3v3 mode, but they made all the characters shadows of what they where and it didn't have any of the fun elements.
Me after having not put any money on neither of Record Keeper, Mobius nor Opera Omnia:
LOL, can't really say you're wrong tho.
Sad that whatever remains of Dissidia is basically a discord server.
What!? Mobius was such a fun game, I wish it would come back :(
I think FF2 deserves a remake. There are a lot of good ideas in there and a decent story, but it's bogged down by problems that were at least partially due to the time it was made in.
Only one i disagree with is Final Fantasy II. I actually really like it.
Agreed, although it definitely is the 'black sheep' of the main line. FFI is easily the weakest out of the early games, but everyone gives it a pass because "it was first". It took me over a year to finish it without a guide, simply because I didn't know where to find the bottle.
FFII is significantly more linear and grindy by comparison, but it has a better story and is a lot closer to FFIV than you'd think at first glance. The staff who did FFIV obviously took some inspiration from it.
@LabCat I do like FFI but FFII I find more interesting being the first that had a set cast of characters.
You can like it but objectively as an FF game it really isn't one at all. It's a SaGa game in FF clothing.
@@LabCat _Final Fantasy_ was a product of its time. It was about as helpful as _Dragon Quest_ was; that is, obscure at best. Also worth noting is that the original came with a manual with a walkthrough, complete with a map and bestiary. My memory of these things has faded over 35 years, however.
Honestly it was pretty bad
They should've let FF record keeper renew their license. Best FF mobile game ever
Absolute best, even if Opera Omnia and Mobius were not thay far behind, it was clear that RK was something especial, despite the gacha.
Couldn't jump to JP when Global died, suffering that heartbreak twice? I'm not that masochistic...
French suscriber here. I was talking with some friends before watch your videos and for us the answer was unanimous; it was a shady mobile game, this thing was so strange, i'd believe it was a malware or something, we're not sure but it may be Final fantasy Brigade Airbone, or Something.
The best for me, my girlfriend and my two Friends:
Final Fantasy 6
But if we want someone to discover the series?.Final Fantasy V.
WE love your videos, now our bodies are ready, lets watch it😂
I forgot about ATB, I remember that even when I had the game hacked, and was able to “purchase” stuff for free. The game is so unbelievably bad.
Personally I think FFII is over hated, maybe it's because I've only played the PSP version, but it's relaxing to play, a bit mindless, one of those "I like went numbers go up" kind of game but enjoyable nonetheless
I especially like when 6 unbeatable enemies randomly pop up and kill me instantly so I have to save the game after every step I take
@speedrunz5life sounds like a skill issue to me... Ok, I'm just joking, it's definitely far from being the best I just don't think is as bad as some people think
@@speedrunz5lifeyou probably didn't prepare enough before getting into the fight cause that never happened to me
in my opinion final fantasy became final fantasy with the second game and that's not nostalgia they are not even my first final fantasy games that would be 7,8 and 9 I didn't get to play the first two games until I got the remasters for the game boy advance and PSP years later in my teens.
The Battle Royal was amazing. Best one I've played. Main problem is that the market was already saturated and pulling new players was impossible.
FFXV a new empire was OK, not the best. Main problem found was that I couldn't find an alliance without kiddies with a power ego trip. Even the members would fall in line like toxic little bullies do. Never seen a player base so toxic.
Chocobo GP (2022) is quite literally unplayable. It's #1 for sure
ah yes
Chocobo Racing remake with baffled microtransaction
Sike decision indeed
It's better now they've removed all the microtransactions.
I don't know how they fucked it up so badly. Like, how hard is it to make good track design in a racing game?
All The Bravest being dead last is unsurprising. When it first dropped, absolutely nobody wanted it since overmonetization was already a hot button topic in the west, and it price-gated out any f2p fans that would go to bat for it.
It seems ATB (yuck, even for as not veteran as I am, it feels _wrong_ to dignify it with _that_ acronym) is the only time the entire FF fanbase ever agreed on something (Including myself of course).
Even if this list was just a reverse popularity contest I will take that place as Gospel, and please Square, for the love of FUCK, never again...
I thoroughly enjoyed Mobius. I miss it 😢
That's how you know how the community is made of people that really want different things.
Don't get me wrong, games like all the bravest, Dissidia NT and all those online with microtransactions games deserve to be there but games like Explorer, Crystal bearer or in particular FFII do not deserve to be as low as they are perceive to be.
I guess Explorer and CB are more so a question of taste in Gameplay where they are not top dogs either by any mean but FFII is actually quite good and has been made better with the newer iterations of it through time. It really feels like it's just the effect of an echo chamber where it is okay to just bash FFII because it is somewhat an underlying truth within the community.
A person acting sane in a discussion about Final Fantasy!?
WHAT NEW SPORE OF MADNESS OS THIS!?
Need a 4-Hour version of #57 - 1, compilation after you do all the results.
I'm one of those weirdos who loves 2 & hates 7.
Fellow weirdo here; 7 is overrated and overhyped, imo. It's like the Empire (Star Wars reference) of Final Fantasy, where everyone's milking it for all it's worth and draining themselves of usable storylines.
FF4 could use some more expansions, or 12. Like we only hear and see so much of the brothers' relationships! And considering how both games have a hero and villain brother duo, it would be super interesting and could expand upon what you see in their respective games!
Let's see how Golbez used to work under Zemus' control or find out how Gabranth became a Judge Magister, and how they all lived as children! So much to do with these guys, but nahhhh, let's go back to Cloud and Sephiroth because they're the Best Boys and EVERYONE LOVES THEM~~~~~
Honestly I'd love games where you could play as the villain as well. I know Stranger in Paradise is one, but tbh...I want one that's more accessible and also not as gory. I couldn't go through the first cutscene without feeling sick. I wanted a Garland story, but that was...Too much. I never went back to that game's scenes, and I was merely watching them on YT due to not having a console to play the game.
Two fellow ff7 haters!!! You two make me so happy. 🎉 I am not alone in my hatred of ff7 and the remake isn't any better either.
Make it 3
Hating 7 doesn't make you special, there are load of haters that think they're special and different for it but its a rather common opinion i see online. The more popular something is the more vocal the haters are. If FF7 wasn't popular I bet you wouldn't have that strong of an opinion.
FF RECPRD KEEPER was by far my favorite mobile game. It was so much fun, and I never made a single purchase yet still became ridiculously overpowered. It was awesome! I genuinely miss that game.
This 100%
Justice for Final Fantasy II honestly
I won’t argue that the original NES version of FF2 is pretty bad (easily the worst main numbered game, bar none), but honestly, the many re-releases since have made it a completely fine experience. The leveling system will never not be weird, but everything else has been smoothed out to the point that it’s really not an issue.
I actually really enjoyed first soldier. My reasoning is probably unique to others though. The reason being is it molded my childhood of playing final fantasy 7 and being in midgar and then my son's playing with me as the very obvious Battle Royale like fortnite that they love so much. It's too bad they didn't release it on multiple platforms.
Mobius wasn’t bad. Right up until they started releasing premium jobs for insane amounts of money. Basically turning the game in to pay to win for more money than a brand new AAA game would cost.
I’m so sick of 7 can we please just be done with 7, move on, I so much prefer new IP or new installments over remakes and remasters pleeeease stop with all the 7 stuuuuuuf SE!!!! 😭
The best mobile Final Fantasy in my opinion is Record Keeper... I miss that game, such a shame they shut down the global version...
I loved ff2(psp version)
God, Explorers truly doesn't deserve to be listed as one of the worst. Game is so fun.
Final Fantasy 2 was the only one on this list I played. And I thought it wasn’t that bad
Yeah, people like II. Some people just like to hate on it because of the prototype SaGa mechanics.
I’ll never shut up about this: the real reason the first soldier died was because it was themed after ff7 which made no sense and should’ve been themed ff8 with the gardens fighting for supremacy.
Only Gardens didn’t fight for supremacy but were created to fight witches, right? I did love it in the game when Balamb got attacked. The vibe and CGI was so cool.
@ true! Imagine a community quest to take down Adel. Maybe the bouncer would’ve made a better battle Royal game. Anything but ff7
Hadn't played FFII until this year, and my biggest problem with it is that the world and dungeon designs are obsessed with random encounters. Most dungeons have a guess-the-door mechanic where there will be 2-5 doors and only one of them will let you progress, and if you guess wrong you end up in the middle of an empty room and usually face an encounter trying to leave. As far as I know there's no way to know which door is the right one without trial and error, so it wastes time and feels bad. The world is gigantic and mostly empty, so it takes a long time to get anywhere, thus leading to even more encounters. It's just not as much of a crafted experience as the rest of the series, but it's still not nearly as bad as its reputation.
Hearing Nomura's name being part of bad decisions I can't say I am surprised. I'm surprised that he even knows that his ideas at times can be insane and needs somebody to check him. Too bad Hironobu Sakaguchi hadn't been there to do just that to him or we would of have less bad games. Also, I despise Square Enix for their evil manipulation of players using gacha mechanics and mobile crap. I am so happy many of them failed in the end.
Darryl woke up and chose violence today.
Man, could you imagine if First Soldier was like, some sort of Platinum styled character action game, starring Sephiroth? God. Damn. That would have kicked ass. I don't even like 7 all that much.
Dude, Final Fantasy II? Really? Have you played it? It's one of the best imo, lot of references to Star Wars also.
that is most of them
Editor: I liked 2 and gave it a high score. I was sad to see it place so low, too
FF2 has exactly zero Star Wars references.
As someone who likes FFII, I do not consider it one of the best.
Maybe they are thinking of IV
Golden Age is 7 to 12? Impossible. They don't even have the Opera Floozy!
Yeah, I would say the Golden Age is 3 - 7 and 9.
I'm honestly surprised FF Explorers is on this list. I got this game and enjoyed the heck out of it as a nice mix of FF and Monster Hunter. It was a nice feel of how small you are when you fought someone like Alexander.
War of the Visions would have been such a great game if the crazy monetization didn’t kill it for so many of us. The characters, story, and gameplay were all really solid. But man… our poor wallets…
Final Fantasy II haters have no culture. The game is fine. Certainly not an amazing game, but it's way overhated.
That's what I've always been saying. The experience system, which is the main thing people talk about when it comes to II's flaws, isn't anywhere near as bad as they chalk it up to be. The story is great, and the music and the Amano art are some of the best in the early games.
Its bad
Honestly, I want to play this on the PSP. I admit, I hate the Emperor, but that means I'd have the pleasure of kicking his ass like I did Sephiroth, lol.
Personally, I feel like FFVII is an overrated game, just like people overhate II (though I didn't know that people hated II that much, much less for the reasons mentioned - I would've thought it was more due to "uncreativity" or something).
@@OverlordZeroULTIMA I've played and beaten FF2 on PS1, GBA, PSP and PR. I hate it just the same every single time. It's bad and not hated enough. I love its story, characters and especially music, but it's all destroyed by the terrible leveling system. It needs way more hate.
@@genesisSOCyou clearly Crazy if you think that people don't hate it enough,besides the game is actually good so you and your friends should stop it
Still hurts that first soldier is gone. I absolutely loved playing it.
People have different tastes in FF games? No way! Look, from my experience - and yes it is anecdotal - the one people love the most would be the first FF game they have experienced. I love FF7 the most as it was my first FF because I never played FF6, but I had richer friends who played FF6 first and scream that FF6 is the best. Then we get people who actually like FF13 because they played that first. Nostalgia is a powerful thing
I played the original FF as my first and played at least a couple others before FFVII and yet, FFVII is my favorite. There's a lot more to it than nostalgia.
VII and VI are pretty consistently the two debated as being the best of the series, even amongst fans who didn't grow up with them, but still played older titles after getting into the franchise via newer titles.
Not to me I despise people's attachment to nostalgia. FFIV was my first Final Fantasy game. VI is my favorite, it created everything VII was wrongly credited for, while also having more consistent writing
I played 13 after playing all the other mainline games (except 11, 14, and 16) and I think 13 is a top 3 for me now. I don't think it has much replayablity due to its linearity though. The paradigm battle system was rad.
@@RyuKnightAlex I played 6 and 7 for the first time in recent years, as well as most of the mainline games. I wouldn't put either in my top 2. They were good though. There are only two games I quit before completion and loved the rest. I just think maybe Kefka and Sephiroth were underwhelming compared to my expectations from all the online praise.
Fallout 76, CP2077, Pokemon Slenderman and Barren Wasteland, Starfield...
Ff2 on here is insane to me. It is one of my favorite ff games. It allows for so much freedom and replayability like ffv does. It tried mechanics games to this day copy that people love.
I replay it every year or two with restrictions and role-playing with characters. It is so much fun playing with restrictions and the leveling system is a lot of fun for anyone that enjoys grinding even a little.
I see the flaws but it was the second game in the series and tried so much new which people don't seem to look at and embrace.
The true golden age of FF was 4 through 10. 1 was primitive but iconic, 2 and 3 weren't released until much later and were lesser FF games anyway.
4 was a banger
(we missed 5)
6 was a banger
7 was a banger
8 was... there
9 was a banger
10 was a banger
And somewhere between those we also got Tactics, which was also a banger.
X was not a banger, I would argue. Awful writing, bad characters, really weak worldbuilding, probably the worst villains in the series, and a completely rushed and disappointing endgame. Not to mention the horribly designed minigames and the lack of optional content. People wouldn't like it so much if they didn't have nostalgia blindless and the fact that it was such an impressive looking PS2 game for its time. Probably the most overrated RPG I've seen.
@@AnaverdGaiden While I can understand (if not fully agree with) the dislike for X...
Dude, "crono" triger and "dragon" quest exist, there's no way you can legit think Final Fantasy X is _the_ most overrated.
This is pretty much the comment I was looking for. The golden age definitely started with 4. 4-7 were all S tier games to me with 9 and 10 being A tier to me. I don’t dislike 8 but it’s like you said, it’s just kind of there to me.
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe Chrono Trigger is a masterpiece, and many of the Dragon Quest games are fantastic. How can you think X is better than them?
i dont think final fantasy explorers was a bad game