Why Fleetway Amy is the Best Amy

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  • Have you ever seen art of Amy Rose with an oversized white t-shirt, a plaid skirt, a crossbow and spiked-up spines?
    That is 'Fleetway Amy'. I'm sure we all know who Amy Rose is but did you know that the British Sonic the Comic (published by Fleetway) significantly changed Amy's character, abilities and look? I'd argue that Fleetway's interpretation of Amy is, in my opinion, better than her game counterpart.
    In this video I want to take a look at the history of Amy Rose in the Fleetway comics, briefly exploring some of her more famous storylines, all the while explaining the many different style and personality changes Amy went through over the course of the comic.
    The art in the thumbnail is from Lixes. Please check out their Twitter (@LixesPrototype) to see more Fleetway Sonic renders and to commission your own! Thanks again Lixes.
    / lixesprototype
    By the way 'Peter Android'? I reckon he's the Mobian counterpart to Peter Andre.
    "Why Fleetway Amy is the Best "
    Chapters :-
    00:00 Introduction
    01:25 The Early Years
    08:25 Leader of the Freedom Fighters
    09:53 Amy & Tekno Era
    13:36 Ring of Eternity Arc
    16:52 Later Years & Sonic Adventure
    Music used in this video :-
    - "Green Grove Zone Act 1" from Sonic 3D (Mega Drive version)
    - "Green Grove Zone Act 2" from Sonic 3D (Mega Drive version)
    - "Diamond Dust Zone Act 1" from Sonic 3D (Mega Drive version)
    - "Green Grove Zone Act 1" from Sonic 3D (Saturn version)
    - "Panic Puppet Zone Act 1" from Sonic 3D (Mega Drive version)
    - "Green Grove Zone Act 2" from Sonic 3D (Saturn version)
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    Find me on Twitter: / thejohnnyvector
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  • @JohnnyVector
    @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +215

    Correction - The piko piko hammer first appeared in Sonic the Fighters!
    And at 7:46 - Just confirming that is issue 78, not issue 58. Slips of the tongue.

    • @cosmowonder4033
      @cosmowonder4033 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That’s ok, also at 5:37 the actual first time she used the “Pico Pico Hammer” was in “Sonic The Fighters”, based on the Japanese toy of the same name.

    • @marsdenit2845
      @marsdenit2845 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      FleetwaY Amy is the way due to a supervisor considering the game portrayal of Amy as offensive to women. I agree. Fleetway made Amy likeable. I know Sonic Boom exists, but this is 1990s comics

    • @marsdenit2845
      @marsdenit2845 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amy did not necessarily need to be a Mary Sue. But she doesn't need to be a dumb girl that screams for Sonic every 5 seconds. Its not funny. Its just an insult

    • @cosmowonder4033
      @cosmowonder4033 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@marsdenit2845 True, I prefer modern Amy tho

    • @andreimillares7843
      @andreimillares7843 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Johnny Lightfoot: "Hey, who are you calling 'LAME'?!?

  • @TheLonelyGoomba
    @TheLonelyGoomba ปีที่แล้ว +450

    17:15 Amy's shirt probably says "Weird Science".

    • @BradleyJ
      @BradleyJ ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I reviewed the film, it definitely looks like the logo from the film

    • @alienkatdaddycgs5904
      @alienkatdaddycgs5904 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      It's probably based on the comic

    • @awesomejacketdude
      @awesomejacketdude ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah I was thinking that too.

    • @torchdreemurr4082
      @torchdreemurr4082 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      FROM MY HEART AND FROM MY HANDS

    • @limespots
      @limespots ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@torchdreemurr4082 WHY DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND MY INTENTIONS

  • @SebTheShinpuru
    @SebTheShinpuru ปีที่แล้ว +598

    dude i love fleetway's interesting approaches to sonic characters

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +67

      Awesome. They had a fascinating take on most characters.

    • @vegetafan9922
      @vegetafan9922 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Fleetway Charmy is what Modern Charmy ended up being. Then again both companies coming to the conclusion of a 7 year old who is a Bumblebee's personality being annoying and hyper is probably just a coincidence.

    • @SebTheShinpuru
      @SebTheShinpuru ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@vegetafan9922 fleetway charmy is superior imo he's way more annoying

    • @TomWHuxley
      @TomWHuxley ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@SebTheShinpuru and other characters are aware of it 👀

    • @austinroundsgallery83
      @austinroundsgallery83 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I wish Fleetway continued, because I'm interested to see what their takes on later Sonic characters like Shadow, Rouge, Blaze, Big, Cream, and Silver would've been like.

  • @TMSonicFan47
    @TMSonicFan47 ปีที่แล้ว +640

    After watching this, I gotta say, I definitely would have preferred this version of Amy, personality-wise. But... I disagree about the cross-bow. I still think the hammer is the better weapon for her.
    To me, Amy’s always been more of a versatile wild card; someone who can be a powerhouse, leader, and supporting character, rather than just being one of the three. Her hammer is a perfect reflection of that since she not only uses it for combat, but she also uses it for mobility with her acrobatic moves, and it’s also hints at her background in the mystical arts since she can create tornadoes with a single swing of it. Basically, I like to think of the Piko Piko Hammer as Amy’s version of Thor’s Mjolnir.

    • @TomWHuxley
      @TomWHuxley ปีที่แล้ว +33

      The crossbow is much more practical (and believable). Reflecting this characterisation

    • @tahutoa
      @tahutoa ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TomWHuxley the crossbow is not practical. Do you have any idea how hard it is to cock those things

    • @camero144
      @camero144 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Interesting it would have been funny seeing Amy being a mix of Nick Fury and Hawkeye

    • @ZeroMasterey
      @ZeroMasterey ปีที่แล้ว +26

      @@secoTheSonicFan Classic Amy was the first to have the Piko Piko Hammer (Sonic The Fighters 1996)

    • @zephon6745
      @zephon6745 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Fleetway's Amy is the first Amy to use a weapon in any universe

  • @RadicalMcCannic
    @RadicalMcCannic ปีที่แล้ว +212

    In one issue she makes a remark about being named 'Aim-y' so maybe that's why they made her a marksman/gave her the crossbow! Always liked fleetway amy though, her obsession with sonic developing into her making fun of him and standing equal to the point Sonic doesn't always know if she's being serious about her obsession with him was a great piece of character development.

  • @uhyeah
    @uhyeah ปีที่แล้ว +443

    Always thought Fleetway Amy was her best design. Great video!

    • @peterpumkineater69346
      @peterpumkineater69346 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Brown Amy is funny. Aren't you that guy who does those FNAF videos and Mendo Endo?

    • @TGW765
      @TGW765 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      1 reply?

    • @KSKY2012
      @KSKY2012 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah, me too! I've always loved the outfits she wore in the comics!

    • @ChaoDee
      @ChaoDee ปีที่แล้ว

      Amogus

    • @suckerhat
      @suckerhat ปีที่แล้ว

      Uhyeah
      What are you doing here?
      Aren't you a fnaf channel

  • @HiperPivociarz
    @HiperPivociarz ปีที่แล้ว +34

    I'm sorry, but nothing will beat the PikoPiko hammer. I love the idea of Amy, this pink cutesy girl character logging around a giant hammer with the strength of Thor.

  • @rodrigomarcondes5857
    @rodrigomarcondes5857 ปีที่แล้ว +174

    even though i wasn't familiar with fleetway's sonic growing up, i really like their take on Amy. I think Fleetway's take on the character does not go completely unnoticed by Sega and IDW seeing how she's the leader of the resistance against Robotnik now, and they did tone down her crush on Sonic just a tiny bit so she's not as annoying as she used to be

    • @mechajay3358
      @mechajay3358 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Yeah, it's pretty clear IDW took some inspiration from the Fleetway version of her

    • @kieranstark7213
      @kieranstark7213 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This is the Amy Rose we need and want, not the one where Amy Rose chases down Sonic furiously with her stupid hammer just because he only sees her as a friend! If it were the other way around, there would be a lot more outrage like “Sonic should remember not only Amy’s dates, but also his “respect women” juice before he rapes them”.

    • @antrox2346
      @antrox2346 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Now they Made her so dull.

  • @keldeostudies149
    @keldeostudies149 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Amy being a leader is probably what lead to idw interpretation of amy where she was a leader for a short while

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Oooh, did that happen fairly recently? I'm not caught up on the IDW comics; I'd love to read more.

    • @keldeostudies149
      @keldeostudies149 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JohnnyVector the comics are a joy to read full of little references and big surprises

    • @psbpaladin
      @psbpaladin ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@JohnnyVector They're very good indeed. I like the way the write Amy too. She and Sonic have an actual friendship rather than a one sided crush.

  • @hattoripool1533
    @hattoripool1533 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    I wonder how Sonic fans would react if we got a Sonic game set in the Fleetway continuity

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +34

      I think most would think it was quite bizarre. I'd love to control crossbow-wielding Amy though.

    • @timetochronicle
      @timetochronicle ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Theres so much that could be done in the Fleetway continuity. So much!
      1. Imagine a fantasy RPG where Tails has to deal with the goblins in the Naneless Zone
      2. Archery with Amy, switching between crossbow and longbow
      3. Ironman style levels with Shortfuse, with armour that can improved or customized by Tekno depending on need
      4. Amy & Tekno adventuring shenanigans in time and space
      5. Plunder seeking to undo his curse
      6. And of course - a spin on Sonic where the goal is NOT to over-rely on crazy Super Sonic, or you get the "bad" ending
      And thats not even counting unique enemies like Zachary, Brutus and the Drakon Empire.
      I'd love to play a game based on the Fleeteay continuity, and I hope it can be a reality

  • @ChaddyFantome
    @ChaddyFantome ปีที่แล้ว +120

    I don't hate Fleetway Amy by any stretch but I don't really jive with this idea she is some massively better interpretation than the Amy we got in the games. She just comes off as a very different character altogether.

    • @bakedbeans5494
      @bakedbeans5494 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Not a better interpretation.

    • @zephon6745
      @zephon6745 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      A different interpretation. Both are valid interpretations.

    • @bakedbeans5494
      @bakedbeans5494 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zephon6745 🤡

    • @dillonmalbrue4179
      @dillonmalbrue4179 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@bakedbeans5494 🤓

    • @bakedbeans5494
      @bakedbeans5494 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dillonmalbrue4179 Cringe.

  • @Fatih_M177
    @Fatih_M177 ปีที่แล้ว +187

    Man the fleetway comics really are amazing
    They made Amy a badass way before sonic adventure did (i mean she was still girly but also a badass)

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +32

      At first I didn't like Amy in Sonic Adventure due to my affinity for Fleetway. I've warmed to her over time though. I can see that she is both badass and girly.

    • @Fatih_M177
      @Fatih_M177 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@JohnnyVector understandable i aslo kind of didn't like her at first cause literally the first cutscene with Amy is about her missing sonic XD

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I get it

    • @guyanesegal3166
      @guyanesegal3166 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@JohnnyVector no one liked Amy in Sonic Adventure. It had nothing to do with Fleetway. Sonic Adventure followed an outdated 1990s trope that treated female characters terribly

    • @guyanesegal3166
      @guyanesegal3166 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Fatih_M177 Amy was the girl that women refused to play as. People complain about feminism and SJW-ism today. But when you look at how terrible Amy was in Sonic Adventure. We progressed quite a bit. Don't you think

  • @CutBackDropTurn
    @CutBackDropTurn ปีที่แล้ว +151

    This was incredibly interesting! I’m not a huge fan of Sonic the Comic, but your videos always make it sound so fascinating.
    Though Amy first got her Piko Piko Hammer in Sonic the Fighters, not Sonic Adventure.
    Amy is one of my favorite characters in the Sonic series, so I’m really glad you made such an interesting video!

  • @Andrew_TS
    @Andrew_TS ปีที่แล้ว +94

    Sounds fun. The games make her come off as the dorky younger girl mooning over the cool older kid.
    This Amy may be as cool as Sonic but doesn't obsess over him other than messing with him. Like he's a crush she got over.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yeah, that's a great way of summing it up.

    • @draw2death421
      @draw2death421 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yea tho tbf Sonic does not like Amy. Sonic has made it pretty clear that he is not interested and why whould he be? Amy is an abusive stalker!

    • @mirkohoble
      @mirkohoble ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And gets an awesome gf in the end

    • @teamdarkfan317
      @teamdarkfan317 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@draw2death421 no she’s not. While she is definitely obsessed with sonic she is not an abusive stalker and only Is portrayed that way in spin offs (excluding heroes) in sonic adventure she finds him ACCIDENTALLY and in sa2 she finds him to free him from prison. Also I may add that while she is obsessed with sonic it Is not by far her whole personality. She is bubbly (I think that’s the word) can see the good in others, is kind, extremely keen to help, is adventure loving and is willing to step in to danger ,even if she’s scared, in order to help somone in need. It’s really a shame that people hate game Amy especially but like fleetway Amy despite the fact they seem to share similar traits but dialled up or down slightly.

  • @tylerhughes9090
    @tylerhughes9090 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I always preferred Amy old design, to her more modern design !

    • @user-hn6tc9ot4j
      @user-hn6tc9ot4j ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Her old design is so cute

    • @johnremizeztomilloso158
      @johnremizeztomilloso158 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@user-hn6tc9ot4j ye

    • @dalaxdercrisper957
      @dalaxdercrisper957 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I wish her quill in modern design more like the classic ones. She looks better that way

    • @bobtheball5384
      @bobtheball5384 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dalaxdercrisper957
      FR I prefer the spiky look

    • @antrox2346
      @antrox2346 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol. Her old design is just pink Sonic.

  • @cpt.straginski161
    @cpt.straginski161 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    What i think is pretty interesting about Fleetway Sonic is that it's much more closer to the game, due to authors and artist trying to explain game logic or adapt and interpret plots of old, pretty abstract, videogame stories

  • @eclipsez9108
    @eclipsez9108 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    omg, i love this amy now. Now I finally know what the Techno and Classic Amy fan art is about. Amy being in a different type of clothing suits her as well, but of course when adapting into games and cartoons you need an iconic way of letting the viewer know what character is which, for marketing. But still, thank you for this video, I am now going to ebay dive for fleetaway comics.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I wish you the best of luck finding some on ebay

    • @eclipsez9108
      @eclipsez9108 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnnyVector thank you! It'd be cool as well since the sonic movie is all about references, if they were to put Amy in it last minute it would be in her fleetaway classic or regular classic form so she can distinct from sonic. I honestly never liked her bobbed quill look. I'm not sure if they made her quills like that because it was a popular style at the time or what.

  • @grinbrothers
    @grinbrothers ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Growing up with Fleetway, whilst I didn't question character absences in the Mega Drive Sonic games, I was shocked seeing the canon portrayal of characters such as Amy in Sonic Adventure. Amy's Fleetway design is super cool and I do like her development as a character, but I'm also fond of the sweet yet comedic focused approach of the Adventure/Sonic X and beyond era of Amy.
    5:36 - In particular, whilst the crossbow is super distinct and cool, the Piko Piko hammer feels far more natural within the role of a fast-paced platformer, especially in how it's been utilised for extra momentum and height in Sonic games.

  • @MrNetWraith
    @MrNetWraith ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Fleetway Amy's archery skills are particularly fun to contemplate when you consider that, over in America's Archie Sonicverse, Amy is the cousin of the Robin Hood-inspired Mobian king "Rob o' the Hedge".

  • @klas-6
    @klas-6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I like to imagine the Fleetway Sonic gang having British accents

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Haha, we have plenty of regional accents to go around

  • @antrox2346
    @antrox2346 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I disagree. This versions of Amy isn't Bad. But the best? No way.

  • @trumpeterjen
    @trumpeterjen ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I'd never want Amy to lose the hammer. It suits her straightforward personality and courage. She's not the strongest or fastest, but she's still the first to charge right into battle as a brave brawler.
    That said, it'd be cool if she were an expert in all kinds of weaponry to show she's taken the time and effort to master external weapons since she doesn't have the natural speed, strength, and flight that the main three have. Conjuring weapons out of thin air fits her subtle magical abilities, too. Forget Shadow's guns. Amy was the original weapons expert.

    • @UnluckySuperstition
      @UnluckySuperstition ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That'd be really awesome honestly, and it could theoretically give her and Tails a stronger bond with each other (and by association Sonic too) if he were to say, be making experimental weapons and combat training courses for her to practice and train with, or even just buffing weapons Amy already has strong interest in. It could be a natural progression of her romantic interests in Sonic and the want to be around to be able to help others, and temper it into developing skills, strengthening friendships and bonds between Sonic and Tails and herself, and in turn Mastering skills and arts no one else in the group has and being able to take down enemies without the natural abilities other members of the group have.
      And on top of weaponry, her interest in magical arts and the dabbling in Tarot readings could be expanded on and used to predict incidents in advanced to counteract, or prepare for whatever happens.

    • @trumpeterjen
      @trumpeterjen ปีที่แล้ว

      @@UnluckySuperstition I like your ideas! She's also shown to be a great leader at times, and that last part could figure in perfectly with her being a good tactician. She has a lot of potential.

    • @Legend-io4pz
      @Legend-io4pz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree 1000 also give Amy A GIRLFRIEND @@UnluckySuperstition​

  • @slycooperrocks5826
    @slycooperrocks5826 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I've never even heard of this version of Amy before but she sounds like a badass. I'd love to see this Amy and Carmelita Fox team up. A badass hedgehog and a badass fox.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good call. I've always got time for some Sly Cooper!

  • @Bacchus325
    @Bacchus325 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Literally just finished binging your whole Character Profile playlist I had to sub

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Awesome, thank you! I hope you enjoy this one too.

  • @Leffrey
    @Leffrey ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Amy is probably one of the most underutilised characters in the Sonic franchise. Her relationshipwith Sonic is often just the butt of the joke, rather than the setup even though they can have great chemistry together

    • @skeetermagee2487
      @skeetermagee2487 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly

    • @onyxangelle
      @onyxangelle ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@secoTheSonicFan what are you talking about? Amy definitely belongs in the series. Why single her out over the vast variety of other characters in the franchise even though she predates over 95% of them?

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@secoTheSonicFan Who asked for your circus to come in here?

  • @dimthedimwit7221
    @dimthedimwit7221 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    When I first saw the original Amy design from CD after being used to the current one, it looked odd. It seems much better to me now after a few years though.

    • @ITRASHBOATI
      @ITRASHBOATI ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Amy is like the only character where I prefer their classic design

    • @jarretthoffler6208
      @jarretthoffler6208 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ITRASHBOATI Bruh/

  • @Blake-kr6pd
    @Blake-kr6pd ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Loved the Fleetway comics. Fleetway Amy is best Amy.

  • @Buddy_Duck
    @Buddy_Duck ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Huh… learning about this, honestly it sounds like the people at idw took inspiration from these comics with Amy’s leadership role.

  • @jazzygryphon
    @jazzygryphon ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This video made me appreciate Amy a lot more and makes me want to check out the Sonic the Comic comicbooks! I am someone who does not really care for Amy due to how they portrayed her for so long in the mainline series (as Sonic's obsessive fangirl). The recent-ish switch to make her more of a character who stands out on her own and not all crazy over Sonic like she used to be felt like it kinda came out of nowhere, so my opinion on her did not really shift with this seemingly sudden change. However, I think if the mainline series was in line with her Fleetway counterpart, she maybe would have ended up being one of my favorite characters! Just from this one video, I can definitely agree that Fleetway Amy _is_ the best iteration of Amy!

  • @GIJOEFAN-ys8gp
    @GIJOEFAN-ys8gp ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I think the concept art for Amy in Sonic Prime is inspired by her Fleetway appearance. Which makes sense since the show is targeted towards long time fans including those who grew up reading Sonic the Comic. And giving her a crossbow is an interesting idea.

  • @jyllianrainbow7371
    @jyllianrainbow7371 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm too nostalgic for Sonic Adventure 1 Amy's design.

  • @gracekim25
    @gracekim25 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Gosh I really wish I could read fleetway comics😊

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They should be available scanned somewhere if you have a look around. Hope you get the chance to read them

  • @BlackFlash09
    @BlackFlash09 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Anyone who thinks IDW Amy is a rip-off of Sally has clearly never read the Fleetway Comics. I'm glad she was being treated better in this series, compared to what they were doing with her in the Archie Comics.
    A couple of corrections:
    1. The first appearance of Amy's Piko Piko Hammer was in the Sonic the Fighters arcade game.
    2. I'm pretty sure the village was Emerald Hill Zone, not Green Hill Zone.
    Anyways, thanks for the Fleetway Amy video! Will you ever cover the Fleetway Freedom Fighters?

  • @welchrebooted4739
    @welchrebooted4739 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Fleetway Amy is a very underrated version of the character, the crossbow is pretty cool imo and would like if it somehow made it into the games.

  • @ms046
    @ms046 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    This video was fantastic, and a great deep-dive into my personal favourite version of Amy! Fleetway seemed to have a knack for making some fantastic versions of pre-existing characters (most notably with Knuckles and Robotnik), and Amy's obviously no expection to that

  • @awesomeocelot7475
    @awesomeocelot7475 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Actually Amy’s Piko Piko Hammer first appeared in Sonic The Fighters.

  • @izumiculture4030
    @izumiculture4030 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fleetway Amy as always been my favourite version of Amy in both design and character.

  • @Kerianya
    @Kerianya ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I also grew up with STC, and I absolutely loved Amy. The Fleetway comics version of Amy is the best version of her by a long shot. I also thought she was older than many of the other versions are.
    I'm probably one of the minority who enjoyed the ring of eternity arc, mainly for the variety (I believe the Hercules story was also the one that ended with Amy telling Tekno she really enjoyed the food)
    Amy's origin story did give me a little theory as to why she is such a competent archer. Hedgehogs aren't known for their good vision normally, so I was thinking that perhaps Amy's vision was heightened as a result of the reaction. Having such a change to her vision might also have explained why she wasn't quite as heroic in her first appearance, as she might have been getting used to it. A flimsy theory, admittedly, but one I enjoy.

  • @indieoddjobs4766
    @indieoddjobs4766 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Wow I'm really digging Fleetway's version of Amy a lot! Now I kind of wish I had grown up besides this and game Amy because I find her and Tekno's chemistry really great and refreshing

  • @vegetafan9922
    @vegetafan9922 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It would've been cool if in the Mario and Sonic at the Olympics games gave Amy the best accuracy at the archery minigames as a reference to Fleetway.

  • @kenn_k
    @kenn_k ปีที่แล้ว +10

    4:34 The combination of what's being said here along with the artwork on screen made me briefly consider Knuckles and Amy as a couple and I may just start saying I ship them to fuck with the fanbase
    Also, if Amy is ever playable again, they'd make so many people happy by including the plaid skirt/t-shirt fit as DLC or something. I mean, they've incorporated Knuckles' hat from the OVA into the games more than once (I really just wish they'd just make it part of his official design, lmao) as well as Tangle and Whisper, Longclaw, movie Sonic... Let's go, SEGA

    • @WaterKirby1994
      @WaterKirby1994 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't forget Amy's Sonic X Dress from Episode 15 that was just as iconic. That said the plaid skirt was great for Amy & really we need to play as her more. You should have mentioned Jewel as she is the Flight member of Team Tangle.

  • @AutisticNotWeird
    @AutisticNotWeird 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've never been a huge Amy fan, but I felt quite emotional watching this. I never realised how much of an absolute legend Fleetway Amy was until quite recently- she's absolutely my favourite incarnation of her- and it was so cathartic listening to you discussing it in details.

  • @rejectclone4504
    @rejectclone4504 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    I've always thought Fleetway's Amy design was the cutest to me! I like how it isn't OVERLY feminine (yes there is of course the fact that she's wearing a plaid skirt and the heart t-shirt, but compare that to modern Amy's dress with a underskirt shot that really shouldn't be there for a young female character 😖) and the different hair style really makes Amy appear more rebellious and spunky!

    • @WaterKirby1994
      @WaterKirby1994 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      She still looks like a cutesy punkrock schoolgirl in the Fleetway adaptation & really the plaid skirt is more feminine than what I see girls wear on a regular basis. Lisa Ortiz was the best VA for Amy for that cute, spunky performance & I have to admit I headcanon her to have that voice when reading Sonic the Comic.

    • @bobtheball5384
      @bobtheball5384 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Even though I love modern Amy and or just Amy in general being portrayed as feminine I really like this look for her too. And thank God I'm not the only one bothered by the upskirts. The fact that her model still has this problem in like generations...yeah

    • @WaterKirby1994
      @WaterKirby1994 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bobtheball5384 I fail to see how upskirts are a problem exactly, that used to be normal even Stateside if you look at old stuff. Besides the blink & you miss it upskirts are realistic in a series that people used to love for the game physics. You clearly care more about this than Amy herself does.

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@WaterKirby1994 People complaining about the panty shots have never seen Sakura (from Street Fighter).

  • @lazarus1715
    @lazarus1715 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I really appreciate you making these fleetway videos! I would love to see a video on the lesser characters in Sonic the Comic!

  • @BlueMageWithSoulEdge
    @BlueMageWithSoulEdge ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I don't know dude.
    From how it looks, the lead writer was right to try to squash the "Amy" idea 'cause she sound like a "Mary Sue". When it gets to the point when she is better than everyone else-- all the time, then what is the point of everyone else? When you over shadow the hero of the book, then why should I even read?
    It don't sound like a "good Amy"; it sounds like a character being hi-jacked.

  • @TheGoatShag
    @TheGoatShag ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your videos are always well made💛

  • @blazeneko3384
    @blazeneko3384 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love this Amy, I was talking to someone about her, but I'm bad at explaining things, so I looked on TH-cam to see if anyone talked about her, all I found was this channel, and I so enjoy watching these as they bring back such good memories X3
    also I never liked game Amy because I grow up on this Amy X3

  • @rock10zxa
    @rock10zxa ปีที่แล้ว +50

    while i'm down with an Amy that has more going for her in addition to her admirable dedication to sonic, honestly it gets tiresome seeing any newly introduced friendship be over exaggerated as romantic by a certain group of fans.

    • @TomWHuxley
      @TomWHuxley ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@secoTheSonicFan had nothing to do with any "female supervisor". The writer avoided romantic storylines as he didn't think they would appeal to the children, usually boys, who read it.

    • @callie-flower3177
      @callie-flower3177 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      is this about sonic and amy or tekno and amy because that "certain group of fans" ain't as slick as you think it is lmao

    • @callie-flower3177
      @callie-flower3177 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      cranky people interpreted amy and tekno as wlw aren't we

    • @draw2death421
      @draw2death421 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah and sonic doesent even like her that way so its just weird

  • @onyxangelle
    @onyxangelle ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Honestly, I love Amy in general. Specifically Modern. But I will say I can't get enough of the classic her. She's such a cute, spunky badass girl. She's feminine but a tomboy at heart. Not only is Fleetway my favorite design for her but it was an interesting twist on her character, much better than what they have had going for her in recent years imo. This comic was weird but unique and it did Amy way more justice than Archie ever cared to do for her anyway.

  • @Renegade666
    @Renegade666 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Veteran fleetway reader here, yeah I remember Amy being portrayed pretty well. She was never my fave character but did a good job at holding the fort down and I always considered her the level headed one

  • @Lawliet31101979
    @Lawliet31101979 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The upward spines look so good, the best Amy design.

  • @VexedVergil
    @VexedVergil ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I like her spikey hair design ad well, but I've always been a fan of the amy-sonic ship

  • @WolfFistProductions
    @WolfFistProductions ปีที่แล้ว

    I love your videos. They are fun and informative. Thank you for all the work you do man. A

  • @golork3267
    @golork3267 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What I like about this Amy was that she was not only crafty she was also never there for the popularity. Her only focus was earning Sonic's acknowledgment and being a heroine. There's one issue where Sonic is fighting an seemingly undefeatable foe and it's Amy is finds out the weakness.
    But instead of beating them and taking the credit of defeating a foe Sonic seemingly couldn't. She instead frames it as Sonic's victory. She did it not only to help Sonic's rep and maintaining his place as a beacon of hope. But also to keep Sonic's pride from being wounded. Sonic may have never openly returned Amy's affections but he definitely had a good future partner in the pink hedgehog within the Fleetway continuity.

  • @MenchisMenagerie
    @MenchisMenagerie ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Always did enjoy Amy in this incarnation when reading the comics way back, it felt like she fit to the story and added to it with how they worked with her characterisation. Gotta admit even before I knew what 'shipping' was couldn't help but see Amy and Tekno being a pairing with how they interacted and always had each others backs.

    • @hackerninjaexe5791
      @hackerninjaexe5791 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Personally I only shipped them platonically way to be honest

    • @MenchisMenagerie
      @MenchisMenagerie ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@hackerninjaexe5791 Nowt wrong with that at all, thats the fun part of fandom. We all get different things from it. :)

  • @segaboi915
    @segaboi915 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    HOLY HELL, WTF IS UP WITH TAILS' FOREHEAD?!?! 8:03

    • @videotape2959
      @videotape2959 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I don't know. The drawings look odd in this comic.

  • @me_mespoop5394
    @me_mespoop5394 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love these vids so much. I'd rlly like some more on the other comics like idw, characters like surge

  • @canUsaythis
    @canUsaythis ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really love watching these videos about fleetway comics *I grew up with these comics so it's such Nostalgia for me* I would love to see if you would do the Knuckles Story Arc where he has to get some Scrolls for the Floating Island due to him helping out Captain Plunder OR him trying the repair the Master Emerald?

  • @spareaccount5734
    @spareaccount5734 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol I love all her band tees. Love it. Btw the shirt in that final ring of eternity thing was a shirt that said "weird science" in reference to the oingo bingo song of the same name. Anyway, her character design in fleetway is great

  • @spacelem
    @spacelem ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I only had issues 2-120 (yes, I missed Issue 1), but I definitely remember all these old stories and Amy's growth over the years!

  • @TheGuySilver
    @TheGuySilver ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video! ✨

  • @Mr.Glaube
    @Mr.Glaube ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like fleetway Amy because she loves sonic still, but I’d also way more independent, she‘s like the Samus of the sonic universe

  • @dabluepittoo-aqua4213
    @dabluepittoo-aqua4213 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fleetway Amy is definitely a cool character, but I do still prefer the more adorable yet still brave Amy we got from Adventure onwards in the games. Fleetway's design isn't quite my thing, not that fitting for her. Tho I'll admit her and Tekno are cute (although if you ask me her and Blaze are the cuter couple).
    As for the crossbow, I prefer the hammer. Another comment sums it up best, it's a versatile weapon that makes Amy a wild card. It has enormous power, allows for acrobatics, can create tornados and is overall both awesome and adorable.
    Overall Amy's game self actually isn't too far off from her Fleetway appearance. While she still does have a crush on Sonic, it's downplayed nowadays and she's more independent from Adventure onwards, even becoming the forth member of Team Sonic and forming Team Rose. Regardless Amy is a great character and one of my favorites regardless of universe. . .excluding the Dimps games. They just don't know how to write Amy well.

  • @metalskulkbanepl161
    @metalskulkbanepl161 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Personally I feel like Fleetway Amy lacks personality (And yes I read whole STC. And STC-O). She's a little too perfect.
    She's lacks super powers but keeps ups with the boys thanks to smarts, toughness and bravery.
    That's Sally Acorn, Black Widow, Gwen Tennyson. Good company, sure, but it's a stereotype in which Amy doesn't stand out.
    I preferred her at beginning when she had crush on Sonic. It gave her playful edge. And Archie/IDW is eveything Fletway Amy is, plus kindness and emphaty. She's the heart of the Sonic Friends, without loosing her strenght.

  • @joshwaterfield2483
    @joshwaterfield2483 ปีที่แล้ว

    Used to love these comics when I was a kid. They went off sale while I was still going and never understood why. But seeing all the shots of these pages all these years later is bringing back awesome memories. My mum used to buy me the comic every other Friday from our local Morrisons, and I would read it while I ate my chippy dinner. Good times!!

  • @TailsClock
    @TailsClock ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I've somehow never even heard of this version of Amy before. Every time I saw the non-adventure hairstyle, I just assumed it was some old Sonic CD fanart. I'm stunned that we had a good version of Amy all these years, hidden away. And that sadly she's gone now. Modern Amy even when written better, feels like a inferior character... But, if they ever do something as insane as having Amy and Sonic get together and have a child, then I feel like ignoring all the problems that would have, design-wise, Fleetway Amy would be perfect to use for their daughter. That's really the only way I can see the best Amy coming back... Unless maybe the Mania universe continues?

  • @herrice3227
    @herrice3227 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thank you for reminding me that STC rules ok lol
    As for Amy, of course I love her in STC, but I really like her in Boom too. A mix of the two would be the ideal Amy IMO

  • @RedTygon
    @RedTygon ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I really wish they went with this iteration of Amy as opposed to the joke that exists today. Only version of Amy I ever liked was in STC.

  • @ParappatheRapper
    @ParappatheRapper ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I didn't know much about this Amy and I have to agree this version of her is much more interesting but I'm also partial to the alternative/grunge/punk look she has going on. On her hair, I'm pretty torn. I do like the punk look but she looks cute with the spines down as well. In my opinion, her hair changing depending on what she's doing/mood would be kind of neat. If I had to choose though, the liberty spike look is a bit cooler.
    I like also that her character had some growth, losing her immense obsession with Sonic as she grew and got stronger herself. I think it's neat when a character has that kind of change and in the end it is a very nice role model for girls (or anyone) to look up to.
    17:20
    The reference has to be 'Weird Science'. An American science fiction comedy movie made in 1985. Kind of a cult classic in the US.
    Thanks for the video. Very informative and I have a new appreciation for this Amy (who I already liked the design of better than modern Amy with the bob haircut).

  • @Acidicstudios
    @Acidicstudios ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Did you ever read through the official online continuation over at Sonic The Comic Online? It got some actually pretty slick issues, including an actual proper ending to the series made by the people who originally worked on the original comic.
    The art in it can range between being incredible to being a bit iffy to downright bad here and there, but then thats how it was with the original comic series too.

  • @theinktician
    @theinktician ปีที่แล้ว +5

    She's alright. I like this, but I think the main difference is that she's a true protagonist in STC vs being a traditional side character (despite what Sonic fans believe) in the game canon. Development requires focus, and she's only been focused on in 3 games, and most of her development happens in her 1st (SA1). Devolving into a trope with less focus each game. This made her change in character in IDW random and unprovoked. Had she obtained the proper development to show how she gained the ability to lead a militia, her character in the beginning of IDW would have made sense. This sort of goes for Knuckles in Forces too in some capacity. Yes, his tribe was of warring people, but he had no knowledge of them based on SA1. That basically leaves Sonic and Tails - and I'd assume Tails was the original leader based off the SA2 mission (I won't count Sonic X where he was the captain of their....warship)

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If you only see her development in SA1, you missed. Amy had a team in Heroes, the reason she keeps Cream and Big united is through her own attitude, otherwise they could've just given up after the first stage. She's not a strategist but the way she leads is by getting people to listen to her.

  • @silentbungaming3147
    @silentbungaming3147 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    17:17 I imagine that shirt says Weird Science. A 1985 comedy film about 2 teenagers that create their perfect woman using a computer.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks, make sense. A random reference though!

  • @TonySpike
    @TonySpike ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this video is good timing, because i just got round to watching the second sonic film, and i just commented on somecallmejohnnys video review of it that if they did put amy in the 3rd film (something he wondered) it best be fleetway amy
    btw her shirt in that one panel i think is supposed to be wierd science, as in the 80s film

  • @SN64YT
    @SN64YT ปีที่แล้ว

    a really solid video, my guy.
    this is what i like :)
    good video though to be honest here :)

  • @ITRASHBOATI
    @ITRASHBOATI ปีที่แล้ว +5

    as someone who doesn’t wanna read the fleetway comics, I love these videos. those comics are definitely fun to learn about due to the different takes on characters. what’s your opinion on IDW Amy taking on a leadership role at times again?

  • @riicky83
    @riicky83 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The first meeting with Fabian Vane was also the last time Amy stopped wore skirts before moving onto trousers as she had one panel where she dodged an attack and the angle gave us what should've been an upskirt shot but the comic censored it by doing the heavy shadow effect to cover the entire area kinda like how some old 3d game sprite have the legs come from the bottom of the skirt rather than coming out of the skirt.

  • @CulturePhilter
    @CulturePhilter ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Defiantly a fleetway Amy fan. Find her game appearances jaring as I grew up on these comics.

  • @slimeprivilege
    @slimeprivilege ปีที่แล้ว

    12:57 that last panel is SO CUTE god i really need to get around to reading the Sonic comics

  • @jonny_gage
    @jonny_gage ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nah I like the modern day Amy better!

  • @ffiordhn
    @ffiordhn ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amy, Tekno and Ebony would be the perfect trio/team

  • @SapphireKnight675
    @SapphireKnight675 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    while this version certainly sound interesting, she also a completely different character, the crossbow would come off as weird since it just doesn't fit her game portrayal, and I honestly find the characterization off, I don't mind the obsession getting toned down but not completely erased, her Tomboy personality is fine, and honestly, SEGA could play with the sister like relationship with her and Cream similar to Sonic and Tails, but again, everyone got sabotaged in the games during the 2010s, also, I do like the Origin story it gave Sonic and Eggman, it connects the more

  • @kayanorudog2638
    @kayanorudog2638 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Yeah, this is my favorite version of Amy too.
    I do wish they would do a rerelease of the comics in giant volumes or something.
    I always read them through websites or TH-cam videos.

  • @bluebelt1235
    @bluebelt1235 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think Amy should still crush on Sonic but not as clingy and be as strategic as her Fleetway counterpart

  • @red20753
    @red20753 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You know...i never cared that much about Fleetway, it appeared to be too weird for me. But you are seriously making me wanting to give it a try sometime

  • @ToyFreddyGaming1987
    @ToyFreddyGaming1987 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Not gonna lie I think the spiked up spines really work for Amy. Something about them just looks cool to me.

  • @gamebyanguirusxd
    @gamebyanguirusxd ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Boom Amy during this whole thing:

  • @byjohan832
    @byjohan832 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really like her clothe combination! It's a nice balance between cute and cool, perfect for her.

  • @charlieoreal
    @charlieoreal ปีที่แล้ว +1

    17:14 Amy's shirt says weird science. "Weird Science" is a movie that came out in 1985.

  • @skeetermagee2487
    @skeetermagee2487 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I still think Adventure 1 Amy is amazing!

  • @revalentinemashups510
    @revalentinemashups510 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So, Amy spent some time as the leader of the freedom fighters here? Makes me wonder if her becoming the Resistance leader in IDW was inspired by this. I love Amy currently (at least in her better appearances) but this is a take i can get down with.
    Teknamy is the new otp

  • @Tru5t
    @Tru5t ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the look of Amy in the thumbnail!

  • @anaveragehedgehog
    @anaveragehedgehog ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I agree honestly. This Amy is much more fleshed out and is actually independent, instead of "aAAaaAA mArRy mE sOniC"

    • @sugamamaproud9810
      @sugamamaproud9810 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      She have been thro independent trait, the comic book ain't no different than her video game counterpart, expect for free rider battle got get you that. But whole merry sonic thing, it was play put for joke not take it seriously.

    • @dragondelsur5156
      @dragondelsur5156 ปีที่แล้ว

      -Dear god this fandom- Could you fucking watch her portrayals using the two braincells you have?

  • @amb3rrif1c
    @amb3rrif1c ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I never expected Amy to wield a crossbow. I’m so used to her big toy hammer that hearing that Fleetway Amy’s weapon is a crossbow gave me some whiplash lol

    • @anthonyguarino4242
      @anthonyguarino4242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So therefore, the fleetway version is an only version of Amy to not have Piko Piko hammer at all (not counting sonic CD game which was before fleetway)

  • @nowlwane9623
    @nowlwane9623 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like Amy in sonic exe blood tears. She was loving during Sonic’s darkest moments.

  • @urbynwyldcat9131
    @urbynwyldcat9131 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I was wondering if you would ever consider doing a video like this for the Omni Viewer. I find him to be one of the more mysterious characters in STC. We never really find out how he became friends with Sonic or Chaotix and what his origins are. I'm assuming he was 'built' by someone or something.
    He has very similar traits to the Ring of Eternity, perhaps they were constructed by the same entity.
    As a kid, I kind of imagined that Ommi Viewer was the literal TV screen that we as gamers viewed Sonic and his friends on during the Mega Drive era, kinda like the cameraman Lakitu from Mario 64.
    Idk, what d'you think, man?

  • @Ajnin42
    @Ajnin42 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    craziest thing is growing up in America and thinking everyone just read the archie run. Had no idea the Fleetway comics even existed. Very cool.

    • @JohnnyVector
      @JohnnyVector  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Awesome. I had a similar revelation when I discovered the Archie comics existed (I loved browsing through the covers on Sonic Mega Collection)

    • @Ajnin42
      @Ajnin42 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JohnnyVector Subbing for more Fleetway content. Love your channel.

  • @ShadtheHedgehog4321
    @ShadtheHedgehog4321 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Fun fact, Sonic the Comic Online has an issue written by Nigel called Exit: Sonic. It acts as a finale to the series. It states that Amy and Tekno did get together and started a family. They even name their kid after Johnny.

    • @anthonyguarino4242
      @anthonyguarino4242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just WHAT?! Amy and Tekno?! That’s impossible because they are both girls, so how can they possibly have a kid named after Johnny?! That doesn’t make any senses unless you meant that they adopted a kid named after Johnny. There’s no way that a woman with a woman can possibly have biological kids together!

    • @ShadtheHedgehog4321
      @ShadtheHedgehog4321 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anthonyguarino4242 Ever heard of a sperm bank before? How about you do proper research on IUIs before writing a vaguely homophobic statement on two women having a family.

    • @anthonyguarino4242
      @anthonyguarino4242 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ShadtheHedgehog4321 i said “unless you meant that they adopted a kid named after Johnny”. Your comment made it seem like they made their biological kid together naturally. You should’ve rephrased your comment before everyone else think your comment suggest that they did it naturally.

    • @ShadtheHedgehog4321
      @ShadtheHedgehog4321 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@anthonyguarino4242 I said they started a family together and they had a kid. That works for both adoption and giving birth. They never specified which, but it works for both. Sorry you misread my comment and you overreacted.

    • @anthonyguarino4242
      @anthonyguarino4242 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ShadtheHedgehog4321 don’t apologize, it’s not your fault. Maybe they should’ve rephrased these facts from Amy and Tekno being mommies to their kid named after Johnny.

  • @Bobby20NL
    @Bobby20NL ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is my favorite design Amy is already my number one favorite female character but with this design I like her even more

  • @psbpaladin
    @psbpaladin ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm currently rereading StC, partially due to your videos, partially for the nostalgia. Debated whether or not to watch this due to spoilers, but ultimately I like your character videos enough to not worry about spoilers!
    Currently at issue 40ish. Waiting for it to get good, early StC was a bit pants!
    I do wish modern Amy could be written a bit more like StC Amy. We saw some of her leadership skills in the IDW series but modern Amy could do with more of that and less Sonic fangirling.

    • @SJdrumz
      @SJdrumz ปีที่แล้ว

      Where do you read them?

    • @xavierjuno4572
      @xavierjuno4572 ปีที่แล้ว

      I honestly think IDW have a good idea on how to write Amy to the point where its kinda rare for us to see her fangirling over sonic

    • @TomWHuxley
      @TomWHuxley ปีที่แล้ว

      If you're not enjoying it by issue 40 then I wouldn't hold much hope for it to "get good", it had totally found its feet by then. It gets better but not that much better!

  • @Harmony270
    @Harmony270 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i already like the design a lot more then any other