@@MaxxRemKing1 Not always. You can still have a positive, optimistic outlook in your advancing years. Not every 70+ year old is miserable and just waiting to die.
It's only Disney really doing this, namely with Lucasfilm and Pixar. Idk what their kick is. People want more fun movies, and not all fun movies have to be MCU-esque, they can be more Top Gun-like or Spider-Verse-like, where there's still an emotional core and powerful moments during the film, but they're a lot of fun and funny anyway. Idk how Kathleen Kennedy still has a job at this point, she really needs to be fired.
Wondered about this thirty years ago, when one show ended on an "ambiguous" note. Everyone said it was great, but some people who thought about it, had questions. One critic said if you thought otherwise, you didn't understand what the show was about. Always remembered that.
Disney REFUSING to fire KK is insanity . She has RUINED two franchises that used to print dollars . She has alienated life long fans in the hopes of obtaining new ones . While failing to do either . They keep doubling down with her and continue to spiral downward . Disney deserves every bit of this .
As an Indiana Jones fan, I asked myself if I want to go down this journey. After this review, the answer is “No, no I don’t.” I will live in my bubble of optimism with the first 3 movies.
Ever notice how Kennedy always uses a young brunette woman, who tries to overshadow an older male. And the older male is never allowed to give any wisdom or instructions to this new younger female protagonist? The brunette female protagonist is always perfect and knows it all from the start. This is a classic example of a self-insert and why she has been awful for lucasfilms.
SOME subversion of expectations is great. I particularly liked the "Rey's parents were nobodies" twist in The Last Jedi, but other twists were freaking terrible in that movie.
Kathleen Kennedy has shown she was basically a franchise grifter… George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, and John Williams were the real driving forces behind these characters. I’m sure George Lucas is as disappointed as the fans are in what Disney has done with his source material.
“Do I want a Indiana Jones movie to haunt me?! Not really but here we are” that took me outtt 😂 serious so true though. After seeing this movie I was just perplexed by some of the choices. Truly bizarre.
After Grace said don’t watch Indy 5 to close to Mission Impossible because of similar scenes. I’m out watching Indy, l’ll either wait til after MI or watch Indy on streaming. Definitely don’t want anything ruining MI, l’m avoiding trailers, t.v spots, TH-cam ads.
I don't know I would not compare those movies, they habe nothing to do with each other. Indiana Jones is an adventure and cares much more about story and characters, while mission impossible is a Thrilling Action Flick!
It’s become a recurring theme or cliche that an older returning character has to have a crappy life and be a shell of their former self (see Luke Skywalker)
To be fair, I feel like they are also ruining Nick Fury in Secret Invasion, so maybe even black old men can have shitty lives but not sure yet because he apparently has a wife or something not sure.
@@2leggedjoe not enough. though ill give her credit for being one of the few who said what they did with Luke was bunk even though she claims she liked it.
Luke Skywalker, Indiana Jones, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jean-Luc Picard….all beloved characters made into broken shells of themselves. Jeeze i am 39 and Hollywood has petrified me about aging. Tom Cruise’s Maverick is the only 80’s character not turned into a completely broken guy.
To your first list I'd add the Terminator, who was last played by Arnold Schwarzenegger as a guy who sells drapes. What a joke. To your second list I'd add Sylvester Stallone, who played Rocky and Rambo as seniors who still have their dignity. Tom and Sly both get it.
They are interested in social engineering the public, not producing content people want. Their overlords are evil and have an evil agenda. Undermine men, push feminizm and the alphabet agenda, etc, etc.
She said the movie is well made and felt like it wants to be nominated at the Oscars. If you love a movie, don't you want it to be so good that it could compete at this stuff? I love when a film is more than a bunch of Marvel nostalgia and fan service moments and the whole plot is just generic fight about good and bad. Especially in a modern franchise. This style is what I want from studio films and I believe many people want that too.
It’s either all planned, part of a social engineering experiment mandated by the top investment controllers in the world. Or Disney just likes to lose money. 120 billion in a year to be exact.
Dark an nihilistic sounds good but Phoebe Waller Bridge is a deal breaker… I’d almost rather watch Flash which I heard is actually good but I’ll never know
@@MaxxRemKing1 "Dark an nihilistic sounds good" Seriously?? This is Indiana Jones not some dystopian drama. Indiana Jones is supposed to be uplifting and not depressing.
I'm not sure why you'd be shocked. Making legendary heroes broken down failure old men is the only story she's told since becoming the head of Lucasfilm
@@giovannitigalo7011That’s all we have now, is a movie ESG or isn’t it. Indy is ESG. Kennedy & ESG go hand in hand. She has ruined a decade of film & streaming.
I hate the term “fan service” and the hate that is being directed towards fans. Who do they think pays to see these movies? They seem determined to destroy all these properties. Oh well
Yesterday I spoke to someone seeing _Across the Spider-Verse_ for the second time. He said he saw it early, enjoyed it, and was now bringing a friend or two with him. That's how a movie becomes a blockbuster. _Guardians 3_ wasn't quite that successful, but people seem to be still going to it; not sure how many people are seeing it more than once; same with _Transformers._ D&D fans didn't see their movie early (because they were busy or annoyed with Hasbro?), didn't come back to see it again with normal people, so it bombed. And it looks like the same happened for _The Flash._
Grace: "This was depressing.....it Sucks they turned him into a broken down loser.....also if you are an Indiana Jones fan...I recommend you see this film!" Me: *staring blankly at screen* WTF??? 😂😂😂
I did think it was odd when James Mangold was first signed on and I know people were excited because of Logan. But Logan was so bleak and lacked fun so I couldn’t understand that connection.
Kathleen Kennedy is going to kill Phoebe Waller Bridge’s career. People are going to see Phoebe waller Bridge and instantly think oh she is on this franchise now well that franchise is ruined.
So, she was good in FleaBag? I couldn’t get through 20 minutes of that drivel. Maybe she should have stayed in that niche genre. Now she’s the “pull lever to feminize and f**k up your franchise”. This movie will be lucky to make 500-600 mil. That’s still a catastrophic loss. MI 7 might make 1 bil +.
What a mess this sounds like. Kathleen never understands the assignment! It’s insane-she cannot comprehend the IPs she manages. How does she still have her job? Sounds like Indy got the same treatment as Luke Skywalker, it’s a HARD PASS for me. Don’t need to see swashbuckling heroes of adventure in depressing environments thanks. What a predictable disappointment. Thanks for your review, Grace!
Oh wait, so you mean LucasFilm made the EXACT movie a lot of us SAID they were going to make when they announced a new Indiana Jones film? I'm shocked.
EVERYONE says that Fleabag is awful in this. She seems like a clear wish fulfillment insert for KK. All of her projects have a brunette who saves the day.
Here we go, another Disney movie that destroys legacy characters. Another nail in the coffin of KK's career. Phoebe Waller Bridge is a blight on genre movies.
I think she's able to turn criticism of her as an attack on women. So it's better not to criticize her personally for failures at Lucasfilm, if you want things to improve. Also, some say they'll never watch another _Star Wars_ production, so they're saying their own opinions don't matter.
As a senior in film school, many professors who are not from the golden age of film (post studio system, usually 30s YO and below) are teaching tell not show. Literally making us rewrite scripts because we are not telling people
Good analogy between Carl in Up! and Indy in Dial of Destiny. The difference IMHO is that Up! showed you the bad hand that life dealt Carl in that bittersweet opening montage and the movie lifted him up -- pun fully intended -- in the end. Unlike Grace, I did enjoy Up! and felt everything was earned. Pixar did know what they were doing once upon a time.
Appreciate the candor Grace. Sad Disney and Kennedy continue to F things up this badly. For the life of me I don’t know how she has a job and why investors would continue to invest in movies destined to flop.
Indiana Jones and the Death of the Franchise. KK is definitely creating a legacy for herself, it’s just not the one she thinks it is. She’s now destroyed two of the biggest franchises in cinematic history.
It reminds me of falcon and the winter soldier where they portrayed this bleak cash strapped home life for Sam when he’d really be a wealthy celebrity at this point
Hi Grace! I think why the film worked for me was because Indy, in a way, is a relic- and at 48, I already feel like a relic compared to all the crazy, chaos and whackness in today’s politics and more. So - I see that unappreciated classroom and two sidekicks not worth saving, to mirror so much of today. Yet Indy, sure more pessimistic, but at least he was still true to Indy, picking people and history over capitalism and hedonism.
It's the new trend I'm afraid .. And all he needed was a "strong" women to sort him out .. god forbid he sort his issues out himself. You can't have a man portrayed positively.
Yep. A little of that goes a long way. They also had to straddle that line in the Hawkeye streaming show, but the Ronin subtext made Hawkeye's reactions and mood more natural and believable.
Or Grace consider this: the studios DO IN FACT SHARE THEIR IDEAS AND SCRIPTS for their blockbusters (or they leak with one another) and that’s why they are so similar! 🤔
Thank you for your review. This plays into my opinion of Post-Modern story telling. I don't care for it, because it seems to be inconsistent as to what I like in movies. The movies that I enjoy are adventurous, funny, or fantastical. I go for escapism and fun. So I will probably skip this at the movie theater.
"Disney...why is continuing franchises so difficult for you?" I'm guessing it's because they're continuing franchises that others began. Lucasfilm did Star Wars and Indiana Jones, Pixar did Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story. Just because Disney bought something, doesn't mean they understand what makes it work.
Why does Hollywood continue to do this? The fun thing about movies like Indiana Jones is that you know he'll face perils but that he'll come out on top in the end. It's (was) a fun ride. It's not a platform for social commentary. Let's tear down all of our male heroes to make way for female heroes. And they expect people to pay money to see this?
pretty much as the other comment says ESG, its about destroying the legacy of a male hero to put in a female character, its about emasculating and destroying male role models to make "new ones" that won't have any of those "problematic traits" and female heroines that act like guys, all social engineering
Better than Crystal Skull? Well at least they have that going for them. Seeing it this weekend with my Uncle who is a big Harrison Ford fan. Ford is his Clint Eastwood
I don’t think it is better than Crystal Skull. Not even close. Crystal Skull had Spielberg and didn’t have PWB. Do D is insulting and infuriating. It’s a waste of time, money and bum wipe. Be advised.
Did it make you sad that the movie was bad, or did the movie itself make you sad? If the movie itself made you sad it’s got soul because forgettable movies don’t provoke emotions
Han Solo from TFA and this Indy is a exact photocopy, both lost his son, separated from wife, become broken and lonely man, until an all knowing brunette british woman come to motivate, become a daughter figure and brings him out of retirement.
Yes, Indiana Jones is a fictional character. Yes, he can be written any which way by the creators. They own him. But make no mistake. Indiana Jones has been bought and paid for… 100 times over by decades worth of fans and our ticket money. Our merchandise money. And our brand loyalty. So listen up writers. Show some damn respect with our characters. Because I promise you, they belong to us more than they belong to you.
Bummer 😔. Im going to see this with my grandparents cause I thought it would be cool for them to see a older Indiana Jones doing awesome stuff! But it seem the more I hear about this movie I’m nervous to take them 😢
@@stephendarcy9803"it's inferior, so if you lower your expectations you can enjoy". Now that's the sort of attitude Hollywood wants... I'll give it a miss.
I might be in the minority here but I really liked the movie. There were some minor issues here or there but that didn’t stop my enjoyment of the film. I liked Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s performance and I especially liked her sidekick.
@@mk6rfc1 Yeah the Butterworth Brothers I know, maybe Scott Frank would've been better instead given that they'd just worked on a movie about an ageing protagonist on his last hurrah!
Harrison Ford is happily killing off all his iconic characters for his own ego. Who says that Harrison Ford is the only actor who can play Indiana Jones. Just look at how many actors have played Batman and Superman and they are still active franchises.
I know the conservative non-pundits will use this movie to fuel their talking points. But the problem is not a emasculation of male role models out of spite. It's the necessity of destroying their character development in order to artificially stretch a franchise. Greed, not pettyness. Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones, for example, had completed their arcs and ran their course, respectively.
Wow, I think Kathleen Kennedy likes to destroy our Heroes!! They ruined Luke in Star Wars #8, down graded Buzz lightyear and now this - our worsted fears made real! Disney needed to get rid of Kennedy instead of renewing her contract!! What were they thinking. I am so sad now!
I enjoyed the film for the most part. But it is frustrating how so many films don't show the moments things change for a character. Bridge was decent at the tale end with her speech when she showed some compassion...but it was a long time coming. The story itself could have been decent with some lightness, some camaraderie, and maybe some trading of lessons. Unfortunately there was very little of that.
let's face it: waller-bridge tanked indy 5. why mangold did not himself write a draft devoid of her contributions and character mystifies many. spielberg was being polite but he must think it's trash. waller-bridge and her off-putting smug feminist nonsense is a liability for film franchises and for movies in general.
Yes, Respeecher would've made perfect sense in this situation. It worked for The Mandalorian, The Book Of Boba Fett, and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Different sound crews, maybe? Then again, it all emanates from ILM, doesn't it?
This movie weirdly reminds me of how No Time to Die was perceived by the bond fans. Similar types of character arcs too and similar "choices" that go against what we know has been established for the character in previous instalments. I felt it was fine (like I felt No time to Die was fine) but some choices were bizarre. I really liked they swung for the fences in the last act though!
Grace, the reason why Indiana Jones is the way he is in this movie is simple. He's a straight white man and a hero of the old days. Naturally when a high position woman is involved in the production, first thing in the agenda book is to make him incompetent, stupid and weak. Don't be upset. You get what you asked.
You missed the point. This movie is about aging. Name me an 83 year old who doesn't feel like their best years are past them, like the world they know is a distant memory, and they are now largely irrelevant
There seems to be a pattern...... Luke Skywalker: alone, with no hope, pessimistic. Han Solo: deadbeat dad, leaves his wife, owes big debt. Indiana Jones: alone, pessimistic, no hope.
I'm a longtime Indy fan, and I even collected the series of novels about further adventures of Indiana Jones. After the disappointment of Crystal Skull, I might let this one pass.
I agree about a lot of the bad factors in the movie- however, i honestly smiled watching Harrison Ford just throw himself into every fray with all he's got. i was filled with immense levels of gratification every time he punched somebody!😊 Pow! (You'd lose count TBH) He just shines in this finale. It was absolutely thrilling to watch him. I'm also against ageism-in-Hollywood. Really happy for the guy, to keep his role his whole life. I'd want the same, myself.
Indy’s films are supposed to be a throwback to 50’s adventure flicks. A Saturday afternoon thrill ride. That should be the perspective when telling any Indy story.
I agree with your comment about halting his curmudgeony behavior. I hate it. I hate it IRL too. I know people who always make old person jokes and old person comments. Enough already, we know your old. We don't need to constantly focus on it!
I just don't understand how nobody looked at how Crystal Skull and said, "We need to stay as far away from sci-fi as possible, because it clearly didn't work last time." Indiana Jones clearly works best when it's historical/religious, not aliens or time travel.
Thank you Grace! I'm taking a HARD PASS on this movie. After what they did to Luke Skywalker, I am not rewarding "hero deconstruction" in any way shape or form. HANDS OFF OUR HEROS! Shame on you, Harrison Ford.
I don't understand how Kathleen Kennedy is still at the head of Lucasfilm for Disney. I gave her her chances, but she rots mostly everything she touches. How can the studio still have confidence in her?
I went to see Indiana Jones & The Dial of Destiny and really enjoyed the movie. I reallly liked Phoebe Waller-Bridge in the movie and her role of Helena. It was what it was suppose to be ... a fun movie.
I’m kind of sick and tired of popular characters going on to live bleak, horrible lives. It’s been done to death at this point.
Art reflects life?
I am so bummed to learn this. I wanted the fun, clever and sassy Indy.
@@MaxxRemKing1 Not always. You can still have a positive, optimistic outlook in your advancing years.
Not every 70+ year old is miserable and just waiting to die.
@@katiefowler5170 Not to worry there is fun, clever and sassy stuff.
Because Disney does not know how to write heroes. They think heroes are problematic.
I'm so fucking tired of studios making everything bleak and depressing, as if real world isn't awful enough. This needs to STOP.
Gotta vote with ur wallet, it’s the only language these people speak
They want ppl to feel hopeless and depressed..makes it easier to control them.
That’s why Mario did so well . Went against the grain .
It's only Disney really doing this, namely with Lucasfilm and Pixar. Idk what their kick is. People want more fun movies, and not all fun movies have to be MCU-esque, they can be more Top Gun-like or Spider-Verse-like, where there's still an emotional core and powerful moments during the film, but they're a lot of fun and funny anyway. Idk how Kathleen Kennedy still has a job at this point, she really needs to be fired.
Wondered about this thirty years ago, when one show ended on an "ambiguous" note. Everyone said it was great, but some people who thought about it, had questions. One critic said if you thought otherwise, you didn't understand what the show was about. Always remembered that.
“Indiana Jones is brave, witty and cultured. How can we take him down?” - Disney boardroom
More like the Disney BOREDroom. They've monopolized entertainment, now they want everyone to suffer.
Kathleen Kennedy gave Indiana Jones the Jake Skywalker treatment.
As someone who actually saw the film, he was brave, witty, and cultured all throughout the runtime of this film.
Agree with this but replace Disney with Kk..
@@nightwing4429 He probably had to stay brave, witty and cultured to put up with PWB.
Disney REFUSING to fire KK is insanity . She has RUINED two franchises that used to print dollars . She has alienated life long fans in the hopes of obtaining new ones . While failing to do either . They keep doubling down with her and continue to spiral downward . Disney deserves every bit of this .
Not that Willow was a franchise, but she screwed that one up too
I believe there's also the fact that no one wants her job, so they haven't been able to replace her either
She must have some incriminating photos of some hire ups, cause no matter how terrible her movies do, she just keeps on trucking
Perfectly stated! Well Said @rfish7371 !! 👏
I’m gonna skip this movie 🤦🏼♂️
As an Indiana Jones fan, I asked myself if I want to go down this journey. After this review, the answer is “No, no I don’t.” I will live in my bubble of optimism with the first 3 movies.
this weekend I think I will watch the first three films to remind myself what this franchise was
Smart move
@@tyrrellharveythat's exactly what I'm doing bought the 4k box set. Not going to waste my time on the crap they did with Indy 5
tbh in sseveral years once she is FINALLY fired, whoever gets job next will probably delite this from cannon lol
Saw it last night. Dial of Destiny is actually really good. WAY better than Crystal Skull. I'd give it a chance.
Ever notice how Kennedy always uses a young brunette woman, who tries to overshadow an older male. And the older male is never allowed to give any wisdom or instructions to this new younger female protagonist? The brunette female protagonist is always perfect and knows it all from the start. This is a classic example of a self-insert and why she has been awful for lucasfilms.
Screams insecurity
perfectly stated
Even toddler Princess Leia was like this with Obiwan on his show!
@@voltinator I thankfully did not waste my time watching that.
Ye well said. She makes the films about her self perceived delusion
Subverting expectations outside of a crime drama rarely works
SOME subversion of expectations is great. I particularly liked the "Rey's parents were nobodies" twist in The Last Jedi, but other twists were freaking terrible in that movie.
@@MrRapmaster19Rey palapatine
@MrRapmaster19 Anakin's parents are nobodies if you think about its not new to star wars. Literal nobody because immaculate conception.
Kathleen Kennedy has shown she was basically a franchise grifter… George Lucas, Steven Spielberg, and John Williams were the real driving forces behind these characters. I’m sure George Lucas is as disappointed as the fans are in what Disney has done with his source material.
He should not have signed the "non disparagement clause".
at least he could have said what's in his mind freely.
Pitty , this can be used as women belong to the secretary desk narrative. Kennedy poissons all she touches.
I hope the ladies have enjoyed this run of girl boss content from Lucasfilm because they won't be releasing any more movies for a very long time.
This a great comment 😂
Not disappointed with the money Disney gave him though is he?
“Do I want a Indiana Jones movie to haunt me?! Not really but here we are” that took me outtt 😂 serious so true though. After seeing this movie I was just perplexed by some of the choices. Truly bizarre.
After Grace said don’t watch Indy 5 to close to Mission Impossible because of similar scenes. I’m out watching Indy, l’ll either wait til after MI or watch Indy on streaming. Definitely don’t want anything ruining MI, l’m avoiding trailers, t.v spots, TH-cam ads.
I don't know I would not compare those movies, they habe nothing to do with each other. Indiana Jones is an adventure and cares much more about story and characters, while mission impossible is a Thrilling Action Flick!
It’s become a recurring theme or cliche that an older returning character has to have a crappy life and be a shell of their former self (see Luke Skywalker)
Ooh this is fun. Let's see how many we can list. Mr incredible
To be fair, I feel like they are also ruining Nick Fury in Secret Invasion, so maybe even black old men can have shitty lives but not sure yet because he apparently has a wife or something not sure.
I CANNOT believe Grace is FINALLY calling out on Disney for destroying beloved characters. EDIT: omg and she's calling out Kathleen Kennedy
He's one of her favorite characters alongside Batman and X-Men so it got personal.
FINALLY!
She’s been calling out Kathleen for like 4 years
@@2leggedjoe not enough. though ill give her credit for being one of the few who said what they did with Luke was bunk even though she claims she liked it.
WHAT?
Grace has been calling out Kennedy for years
She is no fan.
Luke Skywalker, Indiana Jones, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Jean-Luc Picard….all beloved characters made into broken shells of themselves. Jeeze i am 39 and Hollywood has petrified me about aging. Tom Cruise’s Maverick is the only 80’s character not turned into a completely broken guy.
To your first list I'd add the Terminator, who was last played by Arnold Schwarzenegger as a guy who sells drapes. What a joke.
To your second list I'd add Sylvester Stallone, who played Rocky and Rambo as seniors who still have their dignity. Tom and Sly both get it.
Keaton's Batman
Han Solo
Why is Disney so determined to not just give people what they want? I don't understand the mentality.
Their heads are in a fishbowl
They are interested in social engineering the public, not producing content people want. Their overlords are evil and have an evil agenda. Undermine men, push feminizm and the alphabet agenda, etc, etc.
She said the movie is well made and felt like it wants to be nominated at the Oscars. If you love a movie, don't you want it to be so good that it could compete at this stuff? I love when a film is more than a bunch of Marvel nostalgia and fan service moments and the whole plot is just generic fight about good and bad. Especially in a modern franchise. This style is what I want from studio films and I believe many people want that too.
They secretly hate money
It’s either all planned, part of a social engineering experiment mandated by the top investment controllers in the world. Or Disney just likes to lose money. 120 billion in a year to be exact.
No one asked for a bleak and depressed Indiana Jones. So sad for his final film to the end this way.
Please stop we all knew once Mangold signed on it was going to be dark (and nihilistic).
Dark an nihilistic sounds good but Phoebe Waller Bridge is a deal breaker… I’d almost rather watch Flash which I heard is actually good but I’ll never know
@@HanifBarnwell I hadn't heard that until this review.
@@MaxxRemKing1 "Dark an nihilistic sounds good" Seriously?? This is Indiana Jones not some dystopian drama. Indiana Jones is supposed to be uplifting and not depressing.
It's not bleak . It's slightly emotional in parts
I'm not sure why you'd be shocked. Making legendary heroes broken down failure old men is the only story she's told since becoming the head of Lucasfilm
Grace will be one of the last corporate ESG cheerleaders. She just doesn’t get that the whole thing is a grift.
@giovannitigalo7011 oddly enough she bagged on indy 5
@@giovannitigalo7011That’s all we have now, is a movie ESG or isn’t it. Indy is ESG. Kennedy & ESG go hand in hand. She has ruined a decade of film & streaming.
It's also going on in Star Trek, and several other franchises. Beware the deconstructionists.
I bet Disney would never make a movie with a broken down old female.
I hate the term “fan service” and the hate that is being directed towards fans. Who do they think pays to see these movies? They seem determined to destroy all these properties. Oh well
Yesterday I spoke to someone seeing _Across the Spider-Verse_ for the second time. He said he saw it early, enjoyed it, and was now bringing a friend or two with him. That's how a movie becomes a blockbuster. _Guardians 3_ wasn't quite that successful, but people seem to be still going to it; not sure how many people are seeing it more than once; same with _Transformers._ D&D fans didn't see their movie early (because they were busy or annoyed with Hasbro?), didn't come back to see it again with normal people, so it bombed. And it looks like the same happened for _The Flash._
@@sandal_thong8631 I’ve heard the Flash is a decent movie from friends who have seen it. Interesting to see what’s going on
Fan service is lazy. Look Flash. I swear most you morons don’t even know what you want lmao.
Grace: "This was depressing.....it Sucks they turned him into a broken down loser.....also if you are an Indiana Jones fan...I recommend you see this film!"
Me: *staring blankly at screen*
WTF??? 😂😂😂
For the masochistic Indy fan... 😉
😂 I guess she’s saying that if you’re an Indy fan, you have to see it at least once because it’s worth…being depressed about?😂
“You’re going to suffer… but you’re going to be happy about it” 😂😂
I did think it was odd when James Mangold was first signed on and I know people were excited because of Logan. But Logan was so bleak and lacked fun so I couldn’t understand that connection.
Ford v Ferrari was fun.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom that’s great for Christian Bale and Matt Damon but clearly it did not help Indiana Jones
I mean mangold is litteraly a real life cowboy and love Western
@@davidthirugnanakumar7888 Well I guess that cowboy didn’t understand this archeologist
Kathleen Kennedy is going to kill Phoebe Waller Bridge’s career. People are going to see Phoebe waller Bridge and instantly think oh she is on this franchise now well that franchise is ruined.
Exactly what I'm thinking. She needs to get off Disney.
No. Phoebe Waller Bridge will sink herself. She is unwatchable. I won’t watch it just because she is in it
She is the undercover from other studio to bring down Disney
So, she was good in FleaBag? I couldn’t get through 20 minutes of that drivel. Maybe she should have stayed in that niche genre. Now she’s the “pull lever to feminize and f**k up your franchise”. This movie will be lucky to make 500-600 mil. That’s still a catastrophic loss. MI 7 might make 1 bil +.
The Sony Candidate. Could be.
What a mess this sounds like. Kathleen never understands the assignment! It’s insane-she cannot comprehend the IPs she manages. How does she still have her job? Sounds like Indy got the same treatment as Luke Skywalker, it’s a HARD PASS for me. Don’t need to see swashbuckling heroes of adventure in depressing environments thanks. What a predictable disappointment. Thanks for your review, Grace!
cringe comment ngl
@@FilmGameMan Cringe choices from KK. Just say u drink soy and be gone.
@@FilmGameManso go ahead cringe about it idc lmao
@@rachel2880 just saw the film was good. satisfying end for indy
Oh wait, so you mean LucasFilm made the EXACT movie a lot of us SAID they were going to make when they announced a new Indiana Jones film? I'm shocked.
Doomcock was Right !!!
Stay Angry !!!
EVERYONE says that Fleabag is awful in this. She seems like a clear wish fulfillment insert for KK. All of her projects have a brunette who saves the day.
I don’t know about ‘everyone”. Who, exactly? She does a fine job.
Here we go, another Disney movie that destroys legacy characters. Another nail in the coffin of KK's career. Phoebe Waller Bridge is a blight on genre movies.
KK still have a career, which is a mystery on itself.
I think she's able to turn criticism of her as an attack on women. So it's better not to criticize her personally for failures at Lucasfilm, if you want things to improve. Also, some say they'll never watch another _Star Wars_ production, so they're saying their own opinions don't matter.
I liked her in this film
@@Ronariverah fair enough, some people love her. I find her obnoxious
Go outside and touch grass.
So Lucasfilm f. Up Luke Skywalker and the others star wars original trilogy, and now they f up Indiana Jones. Thank you, Kathleen.
Ok, so they Last Jedi’d Indiana Jones now too? As fans can we not have anything we love anymore? Thanks alot KK and Disney 😢
Sounds like they Luke Skywalker’d Indiana Jones…
It really does. Sad.
Nick Fury too!
Or they Han Solo'd him…
@@redlightmax LOL. Sad LOL not happy LOL.
As a senior in film school, many professors who are not from the golden age of film (post studio system, usually 30s YO and below) are teaching tell not show. Literally making us rewrite scripts because we are not telling people
Any asshole can be a film professor believe me. Most of the idiots at my old college NYIT film school were certifiable morons.
That's disappointing
That’s a hack move right there. It’ll set you up for a short unrewarding career at Disney/Marvel or some other rubbish factory.
Yikes! That's unfortunate. What is their reasoning for that?
Ask for your money back
Good analogy between Carl in Up! and Indy in Dial of Destiny. The difference IMHO is that Up! showed you the bad hand that life dealt Carl in that bittersweet opening montage and the movie lifted him up -- pun fully intended -- in the end. Unlike Grace, I did enjoy Up! and felt everything was earned. Pixar did know what they were doing once upon a time.
Up may have started bleak but by the end, it was an uplifting movie. The boy scout was the best thing that happened to Carl outside of meeting Ellie.
The best part of todays Disney is watching it burn in real time 🍿
Does Hollywood and especially LucasFilm know that you can do characterization with optimism?
That means you would have to be a happy optimistic person and have those people work on and create projects.
Appreciate the candor Grace. Sad Disney and Kennedy continue to F things up this badly. For the life of me I don’t know how she has a job and why investors would continue to invest in movies destined to flop.
Indiana Jones and the Death of the Franchise. KK is definitely creating a legacy for herself, it’s just not the one she thinks it is. She’s now destroyed two of the biggest franchises in cinematic history.
Wow, I went from somewhat disinterested to completely disinterested. So, thank you Grace.
It reminds me of falcon and the winter soldier where they portrayed this bleak cash strapped home life for Sam when he’d really be a wealthy celebrity at this point
Hi Grace! I think why the film worked for me was because Indy, in a way, is a relic- and at 48, I already feel like a relic compared to all the crazy, chaos and whackness in today’s politics and more. So - I see that unappreciated classroom and two sidekicks not worth saving, to mirror so much of today. Yet Indy, sure more pessimistic, but at least he was still true to Indy, picking people and history over capitalism and hedonism.
It's the new trend I'm afraid .. And all he needed was a "strong" women to sort him out .. god forbid he sort his issues out himself. You can't have a man portrayed positively.
Women can't have flaws anymore unlike every other character that's worked in the history of mankind.
I nearly walked out of the cinema. Phoebe Waller-Bridge made me grimace 50 times. Awful woman.
@@geoffrobinsonCorpo feminism is a disservice to both men and women. Mary Sues aren't feminist if they aren't even human.
Yep. A little of that goes a long way. They also had to straddle that line in the Hawkeye streaming show, but the Ronin subtext made Hawkeye's reactions and mood more natural and believable.
@@djwallace4542I can’t stand her almost as much as I can’t stand Ezra!
Or Grace consider this: the studios DO IN FACT SHARE THEIR IDEAS AND SCRIPTS for their blockbusters (or they leak with one another) and that’s why they are so similar! 🤔
How things have changed now people are happy to trash Disney. Glad grace was honest about this movie.
The ending was the product of reshoots
Thank you for your review. This plays into my opinion of Post-Modern story telling. I don't care for it, because it seems to be inconsistent as to what I like in movies. The movies that I enjoy are adventurous, funny, or fantastical. I go for escapism and fun. So I will probably skip this at the movie theater.
Disney...why is continuing franchises so difficult for you? Weird.
They don’t understand these character nor try to. They only know how to acquire properties and rush to profit off it somehow.
"Disney...why is continuing franchises so difficult for you?"
I'm guessing it's because they're continuing franchises that others began. Lucasfilm did Star Wars and Indiana Jones, Pixar did Buzz Lightyear in Toy Story. Just because Disney bought something, doesn't mean they understand what makes it work.
Why does Hollywood continue to do this? The fun thing about movies like Indiana Jones is that you know he'll face perils but that he'll come out on top in the end. It's (was) a fun ride. It's not a platform for social commentary. Let's tear down all of our male heroes to make way for female heroes. And they expect people to pay money to see this?
pretty much as the other comment says ESG, its about destroying the legacy of a male hero to put in a female character, its about emasculating and destroying male role models to make "new ones" that won't have any of those "problematic traits" and female heroines that act like guys, all social engineering
That’s sad Grace, this reviews sounds like how I felt after seeing The Last Jedi.
Grace, Disney did the same with Luke. I cannot have that bad feeling again. . . I will pass. . . I just question why. . .WHY????
Better than Crystal Skull? Well at least they have that going for them. Seeing it this weekend with my Uncle who is a big Harrison Ford fan. Ford is his Clint Eastwood
I don’t think it is better than Crystal Skull. Not even close. Crystal Skull had Spielberg and didn’t have PWB. Do D is insulting and infuriating. It’s a waste of time, money and bum wipe. Be advised.
Films absolutely terrible, it's a soulless crap fest, made me sad😔
Did it make you sad that the movie was bad, or did the movie itself make you sad? If the movie itself made you sad it’s got soul because forgettable movies don’t provoke emotions
Oof, the box office is going to be rough for indy
Han Solo from TFA and this Indy is a exact photocopy, both lost his son, separated from wife, become broken and lonely man, until an all knowing brunette british woman come to motivate, become a daughter figure and brings him out of retirement.
I mean it worked out so well for Star Wars…
Yes, Indiana Jones is a fictional character. Yes, he can be written any which way by the creators. They own him.
But make no mistake. Indiana Jones has been bought and paid for… 100 times over by decades worth of fans and our ticket money. Our merchandise money. And our brand loyalty.
So listen up writers. Show some damn respect with our characters. Because I promise you, they belong to us more than they belong to you.
Bummer 😔. Im going to see this with my grandparents cause I thought it would be cool for them to see a older Indiana Jones doing awesome stuff! But it seem the more I hear about this movie I’m nervous to take them 😢
It’s not that bad. Obviously not a patch on the original trilogy but still plenty to enjoy. Tamper your expectations & you may enjoy it.
@@stephendarcy9803"it's inferior, so if you lower your expectations you can enjoy". Now that's the sort of attitude Hollywood wants... I'll give it a miss.
Go with that.
@@andygreen7314 Good for you.👍
Honestly don't
I liked it more when the "treasures" were magic-adjacent. Becoming sci-fi made it very uninteresting... to me.
I might be in the minority here but I really liked the movie. There were some minor issues here or there but that didn’t stop my enjoyment of the film. I liked Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s performance and I especially liked her sidekick.
Mangold's Logan co-writer Scott Frank (Queen's Gambit) should've been involved with the script instead of Crystal Skull writer David Koepp.
He got the Ford V Ferrari writers to help
@@mk6rfc1 Yeah the Butterworth Brothers I know, maybe Scott Frank would've been better instead given that they'd just worked on a movie about an ageing protagonist on his last hurrah!
Oh, Kathleen Kennedy. Everyone is disappointed, but nobody is surprised.
Harrison Ford is happily killing off all his iconic characters for his own ego. Who says that Harrison Ford is the only actor who can play Indiana Jones. Just look at how many actors have played Batman and Superman and they are still active franchises.
I'm sure he gives little thought to the characters he plays but rather the huge amount of money he is still able to earn in his 80s!
3:50 ... I knew they were undoing the one good thing about the previous film, i.e. happy ending.
I know the conservative non-pundits will use this movie to fuel their talking points. But the problem is not a emasculation of male role models out of spite. It's the necessity of destroying their character development in order to artificially stretch a franchise. Greed, not pettyness.
Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones, for example, had completed their arcs and ran their course, respectively.
I agree with this. People project their own ideologies but really Hollywood is just full of greedy, lazy, inept writers.
Although, there's been a couple of cases where the disdain for the source material was tangible. I do wonder if this is one such case.
So Grace Indy's characyer in this movie is basically the equivalent to SW Last Jedi's Luke Skywalker?
Not 100% Luke Skywalker Last Jedi abandoned friends plot but the film does not start Indy off in a good spot.
Wow, I think Kathleen Kennedy likes to destroy our Heroes!! They ruined Luke in Star Wars #8, down graded Buzz lightyear and now this - our worsted fears made real! Disney needed to get rid of Kennedy instead of renewing her contract!! What were they thinking. I am so sad now!
Nick Fury is having a bad time too.
@@kevinsterner9104not the same thing at all
I enjoyed the film for the most part. But it is frustrating how so many films don't show the moments things change for a character. Bridge was decent at the tale end with her speech when she showed some compassion...but it was a long time coming. The story itself could have been decent with some lightness, some camaraderie, and maybe some trading of lessons. Unfortunately there was very little of that.
This really excites me for Hayley Atwell in MI! 😳
She was fantastic as Agent Carter, can't wait for what she brings to the table now against Cruise.
I like her but I hope she isn’t taking away screentime from Rebecca Ferguson since she’s been killing it in the past 2 M:I films
YES!!! SOOO glad she was cast here! ❤❤
I'm so worried about Ford in Captain America 4
As you should be
It’s not like he has played the character before, it’s a recast
let's face it: waller-bridge tanked indy 5. why mangold did not himself write a draft devoid of her contributions and character mystifies many. spielberg was being polite but he must think it's trash. waller-bridge and her off-putting smug feminist nonsense is a liability for film franchises and for movies in general.
"Indiana Jones has always had a positivity about him" made me pause. What? He's grumpy as hell and that's why we love him.
Sounds like Indiana Jones and the self insert of Kathleen Kennedy
KK took the best line from Raiders "I don't know, I'm making this up as I go" and unfortunately turned it into her philosophy on running Lucasfilm.
That's disappointing. I didn't think they would screw up young Indie voice considering the voice they did for Luke in Mandolorian.
Yes, Respeecher would've made perfect sense in this situation. It worked for The Mandalorian, The Book Of Boba Fett, and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Different sound crews, maybe? Then again, it all emanates from ILM, doesn't it?
This movie weirdly reminds me of how No Time to Die was perceived by the bond fans. Similar types of character arcs too and similar "choices" that go against what we know has been established for the character in previous instalments. I felt it was fine (like I felt No time to Die was fine) but some choices were bizarre. I really liked they swung for the fences in the last act though!
Grace, the reason why Indiana Jones is the way he is in this movie is simple. He's a straight white man and a hero of the old days. Naturally when a high position woman is involved in the production, first thing in the agenda book is to make him incompetent, stupid and weak. Don't be upset. You get what you asked.
So true..... surprised she didn't make him gay.
Grace remember back in the 50’s to 70’s when the studios actually made a bad movie as a tax write off ? Nowadays they just release a movie 🤣🤣
Disney and Kathleen Kennedy seem to love to crush our male hero's! First Luke and now Indy!
She also made sure to take down Obi-Wan a few levels as well.
Indiana Jones ended with Last Crusade.
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You didn’t like UP?!?? That’s my favorite Pixar film 🙁
Thanks for the review. I appreciate your thoughts on this movie as a fellow Indiana Jones fan. Those first three films are magical.
You missed the point. This movie is about aging. Name me an 83 year old who doesn't feel like their best years are past them, like the world they know is a distant memory, and they are now largely irrelevant
he's got PTSD from Kylo shoving his light saber through him... :(
There seems to be a pattern......
Luke Skywalker: alone, with no hope, pessimistic.
Han Solo: deadbeat dad, leaves his wife, owes big debt.
Indiana Jones: alone, pessimistic, no hope.
This review got me really excited....... for Mission Impossible! :D
I'm a longtime Indy fan, and I even collected the series of novels about further adventures of Indiana Jones. After the disappointment of Crystal Skull, I might let this one pass.
I agree about a lot of the bad factors in the movie- however, i honestly smiled watching Harrison Ford just throw himself into every fray with all he's got. i was filled with immense levels of gratification every time he punched somebody!😊 Pow! (You'd lose count TBH) He just shines in this finale. It was absolutely thrilling to watch him. I'm also against ageism-in-Hollywood. Really happy for the guy, to keep his role his whole life. I'd want the same, myself.
Phoebe Waller-Bridge tries her hardest, in every movie she's in, to make everything about herself.
Indy’s films are supposed to be a throwback to 50’s adventure flicks. A Saturday afternoon thrill ride. That should be the perspective when telling any Indy story.
The movie is just a shameful experience. Girl boss movie. That's it.
Wow, if Grace finds Phoebe Waller-Bridge horrible she must be unbearable.
I think this is a very fair review and I honestly agree with plenty of it. Fair play Grace, fair play
"Not really, but here we are" is how I feel about a lot of movies nowadays. 😂
I agree with your comment about halting his curmudgeony behavior. I hate it. I hate it IRL too. I know people who always make old person jokes and old person comments. Enough already, we know your old. We don't need to constantly focus on it!
'Subverting expectations', Hollywood enough, no more...
Did Indy drink green space milk too?
Still can’t get over preferring _Lightyear_ to _Up_ .
I just don't understand how nobody looked at how Crystal Skull and said, "We need to stay as far away from sci-fi as possible, because it clearly didn't work last time." Indiana Jones clearly works best when it's historical/religious, not aliens or time travel.
You're right - which is why Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis should've been a movie.
Does Indy use his gun or a gun as old Indy? Because I noticed the action figure from Hasbro old Indy doesn't have a gun or holster
Han shot first!
@MaxxRemKing1 As Harrison Ford said when he was asked who shot first. "I don't care."
Thank you Grace!
I'm taking a HARD PASS on this movie. After what they did to Luke Skywalker, I am not rewarding "hero deconstruction" in any way shape or form. HANDS OFF OUR HEROS!
Shame on you, Harrison Ford.
Important to hold Kathleen Kennedy, James Mangold and the writers accountable too
@@werd4710 oh stop. It’s a pretty good movie and improves on “Crystal Skull”. it ain’t “Raiders” or “Crusade” but what is?
Oh stop. This is silliness. While it isn’t “Raiders” it also isn’t “Crystal Skull”. It’s a solid film. Make your own decision.
I don't understand how Kathleen Kennedy is still at the head of Lucasfilm for Disney. I gave her her chances, but she rots mostly everything she touches. How can the studio still have confidence in her?
7:25 modern Disney motto is no fun allowed
Kathleen Kennedy has some dirt on a lot of people with power. No way a true professional could screw up this bad at there job and still keep it.
Good catch on the voice Grace. That was the first first thing I noticed as well. Young Indiana Jones face, old Indiana Jones voice.
This review makes me more excited for Mission Impossible (and recommend people to see MI and not the Pick of Destiny)
Why are they ruining these movies? How is KK allowed to still touch beloved characters?
I went to see Indiana Jones & The Dial of Destiny and really enjoyed the movie. I reallly liked Phoebe Waller-Bridge in the movie and her role of Helena. It was what it was suppose to be ... a fun movie.