I hate when writers think they can only build a new character up by tearing an old character down. It almost never works and yet it’s like they keep doing it again and again and again.
LOL Grace cited every reason for tearing down heroes except for an imperative to deconstruct male heroes informed by feminism (her blind spot or she meant to leave it out)
I believe the problem is that studios want franchises which forces out mid priced and unique movies. The writers just shoehorn in the scripts that they would have had for independent movies into the franchise movies.
It’s to show that men are a thing of the past and now they want to make it that woman are the future and remember Kathleen Kennedy said “The Future is Female” and she’s sticking with that
@@ghanimaatreides5889Grace will never call out Feminism Because she champions that cause and anything that may shatter that narrative can’t be mentioned
Thank you, Grace, for pointing out how Hollywood missed the point of why The Dark Knight “worked”. There’s this weird rewrite of history that the Nolan trilogy was super dark and edgelord, when it was actually quite quippy and optimistic and didn’t completely deconstruct Batman, but rather distilled him. Whether you like which part Nolan focuses on is another matter
That and Batman growing into an old, jaded man is canon in both Batman Beyond and The Dark Knight Returns (and probably others I'm not familiar with). It stuck true to his established character, rather than pulling it out of the blue.
To be fair to Mark Hamil, he did not want his character to go down the path it did, at all, he just doesn’t have the power that Harrison does. He was largely forgotten for years.
I think it’s really weird that Kathleen Kennedy thinks it’s a good idea to destroy fans’ heroes. I guess she thinks there’s more people out there that want to see a sad, broken Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones?
Indiana Jones was barely a character. I think it just doesn't work here what they were trying to do. I goes so far away from Indiana Jones film you may as well make a new series. Characters in Star Wars were more complex and it is definitely feasible that Luke would become jaded, plus it is not like the other films didn't stray away from darker elements.
For the first time in a long while, I pretty much completely agree with you, Grace. Especially your closing sentiments. People who love the material should be the ones in creative control of these projects; none of this, by committee, nonsense.
Thanks for this, Grace. I think this is why Maverick worked for me. We do grow older with our heroes and seeing Maverick do his thing, but still need others, was a better journey. I didn't like what Mangold did to Logan either. As soon as I heard he was directing, I thought Indy was going to die because those are Mangold-type stories. It was close...Personally, I would have loved Indy finding Atlantis, having it not be what we think, and Indy staying there as a hero for all time.
It’s a weird realisation when the action sequences were some of the most drab parts of an INDIANA JONES film 😭 I’m not sure if Mangold screwed up or if it was covid but I just couldn’t wait for most of them to be over, and it was the quieter character moments that I actually thought were the most well executed and fun
I think the shots themselves were amazing! I really liked all of the action, but I think what was missing is a bunch of wide angle shots in between to let it breath! I don't know if this extremly-close-to-the action approach was committed during filming or during editing!
I actually really liked this film, and the ending was sweet. I see a lot of things they could have done differently, but I had a great time with this film and plan to go see it again tomorrow.
I absolutely loved the dialogue in the final scene where Marion ask Indy if, “the real Indy is back, I heard the real Indy is back”, implying that Indy was the one who was destroyed after his sons death and drove them apart, as Indy earlier explained that it was Marion who broke down, Indy at the start of the movie and Marion being composed in the last scene also implies this reality!
Is Indy trying to save his late friend’s daughter as catharsis after failing to save his son? Nope Is Helena trying to find the answers of why her father cared so much more about this dial than his own daughter? Nope Is Voller about to discover that he is in fact Archimedes and will get stuck in the past with a bootstrap-paradox dial? Nope Is Indy resigning to the past so that he can inscribe a warning on an artefact for his future self to find and allow him to actually tell his son that he would die and hopefully save his life? Nope Did Indy fallout with his friend and goddaughter because he forcefully took the dial from him at their last encounter to save him from his obsession? Nope So many good sets ups there they didn’t take advantage of
It seems clear to me that Kennedy was trying to set up a Helena Shaw spin-off series or movie. Once again, she was unhealthily fixated on elevating female characters when she *should* have been giving Indy the send-off he deserved. There *are* parts of this movie that I enjoyed, and, unlike some, I actually did like Helena on occasion; I think she had potential. But Kennedy's intentions became clearer as the movie progressed, and the way the movie ended was a travesty.
Again, agreed with all points brought up. In short, I was hoping for more classic Indiana sleuthing - more like a DaVinci Code vibe where he's solving puzzles, discovering things as they go. No need for a long, ridiculous car / horse chase in this film. Give me more mythology in a movie like this. And I do not understand how some of the things that clearly took us out of the movie (older voice open sequence, Indy's ability to jump from car to car, run and climb with ease) aren't flagged and corrected on a movie of this size.
I guess I wasn’t so depressed because I felt like the premise of this film reflected the now - I feel like the internet is the “looking to the stars”, where the younger generations don’t really respect anything that isn’t modern. The historians have suddenly become vilified and “boomers” are to be ignored… so to see Indy still being Indy and the selfish “Wombat”, who represented a younger generation, actually being the one PUNCHING Indy back into relevance, it made me think the generations CAN make peace! And that my own father is struggling I saw much of my dad in Indy.
I really liked this movie. I was 16 when the first one came out and saw it 4 times in the theater. I’ve grown old with the franchise and related to Indy’s struggles. Loved the ending. It didn’t make me feel bad. Getting old is not the end. Many of us ride bikes, hike, and enjoy life. I think younger people are afraid of getting older. But I would not trade my wisdom and experience for youth. The other stuff he goes through is real life and leaning to take life on life’s terms is huge.
The audience has spoken, we don’t like our legacy characters deconstructed. Either learn, or lose money. But i think hollywood believes they are above our criticism.
Just a heads up: deconstruction doesn't ALWAYS/necessarily mean 'disrespect' of beloved legacy characters/tropes. The problem is that pretty much ONLY this type of deconstruction (with the agenda of boosting some new character in place of the old) is happening in Hollywood since the last decade. Scream, Unforgiven, 500 Days of Summer, The Irishman, Watchmen (by Alan Moore), The Dark Knight Returns (by Frank Miller), Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc were all examples of deconstruction done RIGHT.
@@arjunmanoj2155that’s fair! However, if you deconstruct everything, you will have nothing. You have to build strong foundations first and establish them. Then let those who want to deconstruct do it.
Watchmen might be a deconstruction of the DC comics universe, but at least it had the good grace to use parody characters, rather than using the actual characters. That’s the problem with modern deconstruction - allow the filmmakers to have the original IP and trash it.
Thank you Grace. As a senior citizen I can tell you the fear of dying alone is always there, even though it may be irrational. I don’t want to watch a movie like that, and to destroy such a beloved character on top of it has become tiresome and depressing. Shame on Harrison Ford for allowing it, TWICE. Perhaps he, like the rest of Hollywood have no clue what it’s like to be just a normal person struggling to find comfort in whatever they can
The fear of death is a natural condition are minds turn to.death is not to be feared it's a natural state of the universe everything dies evenully.but I also know we have electrical energy call it a soul that goes back into the cosmos.dont be afaird it's nature
I enjoyed the film. The scene where Indy tells Helena what he would do if he could travel back in time to talk to his son was chilling. Part of me expected Mutt to come back at the end somehow, but I respect the script for not doing that. He got his wife back but not his son. Happy and sad at the same time, just like real life.
I’ve generally subscribed to the idea that there is a deliberate effort to “subvert” - really undermine and devalue our childhood heroes - like Luke, Han and Indy. And I still think that is the case. But now I think it’s ALSO because the modern moviemakers just don’t know how to do anything else. They only have one cookie-cutter character arc to use. So incompetence, unoriginality and lack of imagination. They just don’t know how to do anything else with an older character.
Got to say I felt sad but it was also kind of brave of Harrison to even be shirtless and looking old, it’s very rarely touched upon for a beloved character , I loved the whole time travel aspect . He also put everything in a museum so probably never made any money 💴
I was on the fence months ago. After your non-spoiler review I became certain that I would not see this. They Luke Skywalkered his character?!? NO THANK YOU!
Thank you, Grace. Sincerely. Your closing comments are what many fans have been saying for years. It feels good to hear a mainstream reviewer say those same words and to have our feelings validated.
The reason Indiana Jones as a franchise was viable is Indiana Jones's charisma. So that an Indy movie didn't have be perfect like Raiders. So that even Temple of Doom (where things got especially silly and/or shallow) was watchable just because we wanted to see how Indiana Jones would act in those situations. That's what made it financially safe to make a random adventure episode with that character. Well if you change the character and make him a depressed loser, then that means you're relying on the rest of the movie (plot, other characters, visuals, etc.) to be good. Yeah this happened with Logan, but unfortunately Indy 5 was not good. Helena was not charismatic and wasn't compelling enough to sustain the movie. The plot was dumb and the action sequences were mediocre. The only thing going for it was John Williams, but the sound effects drowned out the music during the action sequences. The best part of the movie was the end credits where you could hear the amazing score.
Indy is a Hemingway hero: The emotionless womanizing risk taker. We now know men can have emotions. How cool it is that writers choose character development.
My vote for the most ridiculous scene in the film was the horse galloping down a set of stairs, leaping onto a subway track and galloping toward a subway train, thus heading toward a head on collision. No horse anywhere, police horse or not, would willingly do that. I sat there shaking my head NOPE throughout that stupid boneheaded sequence.
I can see why Spielberg turned this down, but I also think if they had allowed him to tweak the script, he might have been able to bring just the right touch of sunsetting nostalgia, fun AND drama to the ideas (interesting but underused) here. Instead, it was overly nihilistic and full of character assassination. Mangold did this stuff much better in Wolverine. Indy was broken down to being essentially the worst villain and Helena had "to save it all." (which she did multiple times). They had to destroy Indy to build up Helena...this trope keeps happening and makes no one happy.
You mentioned “as the character gets older the fans get older,” I literally walked out of the theatre when the film was over noticing the majority in the auditorium were muuuuuch older fans!
I cant accept that they killed Mutt...we just got him from crystal skull...and on dial ..he's dead....so many ppl died aimlessly in this movie....ppl in the office..ppl on the boat......
The rumor is that originally he did die in Ancient Greece, and Helena took his place - but then test audiences hated it, so the ending we saw was a re-shoot. Not proven, but a rumor with some evidence for its veracity.
Probably him being taken out by a woman. It would have been like if he couldn't let go of the Grail so his father knocks him out and throws him on the back of a horse, to wake up back in town.
I have no desire to go to the cinema and watch them destory a beloved character. I won't give them my money. Let them burn. Disney is going down the drain anyways
I loved this movie and I didn't feel that the movie was depressing at all. Indy isn't doing well at the beginning but by the end he's surrounded by people that love him.
My exact feeling. My dad was laughing throughout the film, and he rarely laughs. I think that this may have triggered something personal in Grace and she is projecting.
I love how Jeff is so offended that we like the film that he moves to insult someone’s dad. Really healthy, prudent and productive stuff there my dude.
@JeffCirillo nobody cares if you don't like a thing that someone else liked including me. No need to make fun of someone's dad. Ironically that's a larger indicator of mental illness than someone having a good time. Take your meds.
But doesn't that seems like a bit of lazy writing? Like the only way they knew how to give him a happy[ish] ending was to have him start at absolute rock bottom?
Grace, thank you for this, and the no spoiler, review. I would like to make just a couple of comments. The first being on the deconstruction of heroes in some recent films. I can't help but think this is an attack on strong male heroes specifically, since I can't think of any example of this being done to a female hero, or "Mary Sue" as you have previously called them. The second comment was to agree with you about the look on Jones' face as he revealed he felt he had no one to live for. This was truly a sad moment, but you failed to mention the look of the Helena character's face. His comment struck her hard because she, being his god-daughter, was someone for him to live for, someone who would have benefitted from a stable father-figure in her life, given the breakdown of her own father. Jones completely disregarded her and her feelings, and I thought Waller-Bridges reflected this pain in her own face very well. Keep up the good work!
Well, she didn't seem to care much for him previously in the movie. Maybe she only had her feelings come out when they took Jones on the plane? I'm not sure why they needed to take him.
i really like critical drinker, mauler and all others yt critics. but you really are amazingly perceptive and sharp as hell. i always remeber when you got emotional after seeing the death of cyborgs father in justice league, you said that most people don't appreciate or notice the sacrifice that his father made in that film,,, and then you explained the reasoning behind his decision perfectly. Really appreciate your commentary.
You say that your audience burst into applause when Helena knocked out Indy, which is *fine,* if that was their honest reaction. Who am I to tell them what to enjoy? Nobody. But here's the problem with that from a narrative perspective: the *protagonist* should have the agency at the climax of his story. In The Last Crusade, for comparison, Indy was encouraged by his father to abandon the Holy Grail, but Indy *himself* made the decision, and therefore it was *his* moment, his victory of character. Giving the agency, and the character development, to Helena -- not only at the end of this particular Indiana Jones movie, but at the end of the Indiana Jones SAGA -- is contemptible, in my humble opinion, and it reeks of Kathleen Kennedy. P.S. This was also a big problem I had with the Loki series, which I know you liked, Grace. Loki had *no* agency in the final episode of his show. None. He was, in effect, a passive observer, who achieved nothing. Sylvie was the main character. She was the proactive one, and she got her way.
THANKS for this, Grace!!!!! And yes, both Indy and his father had houses!!!! I haven't seen the film yet, but I feel you on the bleakness. No one goes to a Superman movie to see Superman *not* save the Senate from being bombed (one of the many problems of BvS).
Yes the movie is a little bit sadder than thebold ones, but rotten tomatoes show you that not all indy fans agree! It is still a great movie! 89 Audience score shows how much better this story is compared to crystal skull.
You're pretty spot on there Grace. I liked it over all but didn't love it. It's not the direction I would have gone with it. The de-ageing blew my mind and it worked really well for me. The return of Marion at the end was a huge relief.
I don't like Hollywood destroying my favorite characters. And most of all, the hostility towards optimism. They did this to Luke Skywalker, and now Indy! I think I'm going to take a break from movies and go back to books and theater.
I enjoyed the film - in every life a little rain must fall. He had a low point, so what? In the end he had many connections in his life again. He even put his hat on again 😉 Thanks for the review, though. It was not my experience, but after you explained it, I understood where you were coming from. Cheers, Grace.
Archeology wasn't completely irrelevant and uninteresting. For example, _Chariots of the Gods_ was published in 1968, spawning interest. I recall reading that Carl Sagan discussed it with an Egyptologist/archeologist, saying the Egyptian stuff was interesting but the astronomy parts were bunk. The expert said he had the opposite opinion that the astronomy was interesting but the Egyptology was bunk. They could have had students eager to learn about aliens inspiring Ancient Egypt and the pyramids, with Indy bursting their bubble. But like Grace said, they didn't explore much about 1969. Of course it was aliens in South America, another reason the previous movie sucked.
Phoebe Waller-Bridge was so mean! Her locking Indy behind that gate in the first act instantly turned me off. I’m also disappointed Ke huy Quan didn’t come back for a fan service cameo. My headcanon is that he’s the one who snatched the hat at the last minute.
I think people grew up with comics like watchmen - and think deconstructionism is the only way to approach classic heroes and heroines. It isn't, and I wish the trend would die. I don't want to see, say, Superman be realistic (e.g. the Homelander). Let him be great and good. If you want to explore a different, worse, more 'realistic' character create a new one based on the original (again... the Homelander).
But The Boys and Watchmen are fun thought experiments. Obviously, they are riffs on superman, but it’s not the same as actually using superman to do it. That’s the problem here. Giving guys like Mangold control over the original IP.
The movie was on par with Crystal Skull in terms of movie quality. However, it was a terrible send off to Indiana Jones. Didn't care for what they did to his family in it at all.
Grace, your final comment with the mirror is very well done. Also, us „normal guys“ want our heroes too. If EVERY old character/franchise is squeezed into a 4 quadrant thing only by stunt casting instead of finding a good creative team and a story, it’s simply not fair to the fans who MADE a franchise this long lasting and genuinely LOVE a character
Grace, I absolutely agree that this is a good story just not a good INDIANA JONES story. All of Indy’s likable qualities, his boyish charm, sarcasm , and PLAYFULNESS….barely in this movie. It’s sad that this is the final chapter for IJ… and I didn’t like the final scene with Marianne…just corny … and final thought, has Harrison forgotten how to smile 🤷♀️
I just saw it and I really liked it! It was a lot better than crystal skull despite not being directed by Spielberg! I think that a lot of people would enjoy the movie for what it is. I just hope it is the last one!
When I think of _Kingdom of the Crystal Skull_ I think of Marion and Mutt near the beginning and at the end, which I liked. I try not to think of the rest. I think that movie did more to make this one fail than a depressed Indiana Jones, because that's what young people remember. If _Star Trek_ movies had such a break between movies, hardly anyone would have gone to see _Star Trek IV_ or _Star Trek VI_ after the previous installments.
I think stories like this makes me learn to appreciate the Safdie Brothers. For years they've been known for rejecting offers from major studios and agencies, really understands what kind of filmmakers they want to be, and most important of all, how they like to work. Even though they now work with big stars like Adam Sandler, they are somehow still able to find a collaborative process that didn't sacrifice their artistic integrities and ego just to make a buck. They know if you're just committed to the craft and your love for the craft, you will find people with the same passion for the work as much as you do.
My question is did we really need another Indy sequel with another send off for the character? We’ve had three now. The only good one was last crusade literally riding into the sunset. The only good part of Skull was Indy marrying Marion. The rest was garbage. Did we need this movie??
Interesting talk Grace! I just saw the movie and I thought it was pretty good! First, I did not realize that his retirement was forced. I did feel for his character in the beginning. I did enjoy the parade scenes and Indy riding the horse in the subway. I do agree that if they included Marion and Sallah maybe even Short Round for another adventure.; I think that would have been a better story and ending for the franchise. I also felt bad for Sallah when he said he had his passport and wanted to go on another adventure. Also, it would of been good to show the funeral or a notice that the son died just to tie in stuff from the Crystal Skull. It has been a minute since I watched that one and it would have a good refresher! Thanks again for the review! ❤😊
The problem is that either Indy doesn't choose his friends well, like in the beginning of _Raiders_ or they get killed like in _Temple of Doom,_ "I followed you on many adventures." Either he has to pick people whom he barely knows so doesn't care much about, or risk his friends getting killed in front of him. I'd rather he'd have had a picture of Short Round on his wall, then have him get killed diving with him.
I was expecting to not like it based off reviews. But I gotta say, I kinda loved it. I don't mind the darker tone. I think it grounds the subject matter in a good way. I like seeing classic characters deconstructed. I think it's a sophisticated approach that doesn't treat the audience as simpletons. I thought it was a well done movie overall.
There's no reason to focus on an aging James Bond to pass the mantle on. You just hire a new guy and he's the new Bond. That's been the formula since the beginning. That said, you can't really do that with Indiana Jones, but you CAN do something similar. Passing the torch (or hat in this instance) to a new Indiana Jones-like character could've worked, but it needed to be handled with care. I know Shia had no interest to return to the role of Mutt, but Mutt could've been recast since there's a 15 year time jump, and this film could've been a play on the events of Last Crusade, with the Mutt character being like Indiana and Indiana being like Henry Jones Sr.. Especially when you consider that Shia in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was very much like young Indiana in the opening of Last Crusade with how determined and manic he was during the action sequences, and I can absolutely get behind a new franchise called 'The Adventures of Mutt Jones.' This Helena character is just too bleh and unlikeable to do anything with.
@@orlock20 True, and especially in the sense of a character like Mutt, but not so for Indy. If, right after Last Crusade, Indiana had been recast for further adventures it would've worked, but now we've seen him in his prime for the original trilogy, at an older stage in his life in Crystal Skull, and then again 15 years after that in Dial of Destiny. At this point Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones, but it doesn't mean a spin-off character can't be created to continue those types of adventures in that same universe, but unfortunately for Phoebe Waller-Bridge, she isn't that character. She just doesn't work as a character.
After seeing that they’d deaged him in the trailer I really thought they were going to go back in time more and that we were going to see some sort of hitler confrontation like in last crusade. Would’ve also been great to use the deaging more to explore his family and how it broke down.
I don't want to spend money to watch Indiana Jones treated like crap they already full me on Star wars when they dogged Han Solo Luke and Leia.... It's unimaginative . And that's not the an Indiana Jones adventure. This is a misadventure of epic proportions... And this kind of stuff needs to stop if you don't like the characters of the past create your own don't tear down our eye-cons could you imagine John Wayne coming back to play one of his iconic roles and he's dogged in it....... For a nobody that nobody knows or cares about.... These people have forgotten what makes movies movies and what makes stars..
Yes, Grace! It was all so depressing! Booo! This was a film in disguise as a Indiana Jones film. Crystal Skull ended better! It was completely missing the Spielberg touch in all aspects, and I couldn't stand how they tore him down. I was pulled out from the start. The end did not fit Indiana at all. He is always hopeful. I never laughed either. So bleak. SO bleak. I mean, if they killed Indiana Jones, id have walked out. I've read and heard SO many better ideas for a fifth film plot, even my own was better. haha. These are the writers using well loved franchises for their own gains, and I HATE it. It was awful what they did to Indiana, and they tried to make us not like Marion! I hated that they killed off Mutt (so lazy), and the film was so linear. I like Mangold's films, but he missed the mark here.
They looked at how people loved Logan and thought hey this could work with Indy too! I never understood why you all love the equally bleak Logan so much, but now everybody thinks it’s the best template for every aging franchise lead to go out on!
@@2Hats74 Going into it, I was imagining that he was on a dig somewhere and his reputation as a treasure-hunter brought out some villains who killed his grad students. That would depress him and maybe make him lose a good position.
One major problem with the ending of this movie: Phoebe Waller-Bridge was terribly miscast. She's so thin(almost frail) and gangly that she's completely unbelievable as a physically strong female, yet she manages to kick booty against the villains and knock out Indiana Jones with one punch. Really?!?!! Come on! She'd break every bone in her hand if she punched Indy in the face. No way, no how, uh-uh.
I keep thinking these characters must have brass knuckles or something but never see it. I remember Tom Wilson who played Biff in _Back to the Future_ saying he most likely could take a punch from someone like Crispin Glover, who played George McFly. Remember that some big guys could take the punch from Indy?
Huh, I didn't find it depressing at all! I agree it has more emotional depth than Spielberg's originals. But it feels like a whole, complete story that someone wanted to tell. I'll take that ANY day over force awakens style Hodge podge assembly of fan service pieces trying to give me what I want. Temple of Doom was a complete tonal 180 from raiders. I'm fine with each installment being different as long as it's good and commits which I think this did. Also I loved Helena, I liked that she's not trying to be a "good person", she brought a lot of the fun I had with the film
I really liked Dial of Destiny. It surpasses Temple of Doom to me. And thinking about the life of Indiana Jones, I think now I like Crystal Skull a little better. (It's still my least favourite though, because that third act is too videogame-like.) It didn't bother me that Indy was in a low, and I didn't mind Helena's character, I liked her, and I think it was sweet to think that Indy is loved and has people in his life. And Marion came back, that was unexpected to me. I really enjoyed this, and I can't understand why people don't like it. The end was amazing! To talk to Archimedes himself! In ancient Greek! I really enjoyed all that! I had a great time!
It comes down to insecure women in control of IP with heroic men as the leads, and they are intent to destroy it, or replace it with weak failures as male leads.
Katlyn Kennedy seems to love make movie heroes have miserable and depressing futures where nobody respects them anymore.... why?????? I hope she's OUT after this movie
I don't want to see Indiana Jones acting like Jake Skywalker. Also I didn't want to see Luke Skywalker acting like Jake Skywalker either... It's time to get rid of these people at lucasfilm they just don't get what made these movies fun in the first
For me they got the ending right,it's an ending that made indy happy much better than a silly ride off into the sunset, really enjoyed the movie don't get the hate.
How can Kathleen Kennedy keep her job after this??? How many more films starring a white brunette female have to flop. Best one was Rogue One. Rey got worse and worse, I don’t even remember Emilia Clarke’s name in Solo, and now we got Helena. Kennedy, at least quit casting women who look like you. Throw in a redhead or something. It’s like she wants to star in every film herself.
I also kept thinking why didn't Marion and Sallah join Indy, instead of Helena, who looked more like a villain, rather than an ally! They could even bring their grandkids allong for the ride! Mutt's death wouldn't have bothered me so much if he at least had given them a couple of grandkids! It would have been a much more entertaining movie. And a different take on the family dynamic.
I’m a huge Indy fan since 1981, and overall I thought it was a very good film. Sure there are a few flaws, and plot holes but all of them have them. Even the best ones. He’s 70 years old in this film. He is not going to be the same guy we want him to be, and from what we have seen, he has been through a lot in his life. That kind of life takes a toll in your later years. So, even though I like the film very much, and was glad they made it, the question is, did we need to see an elderly Indiana Jones? Some are saying no. I say yes. We finally have a more serious Indiana Jones film not seen since the first two films with the subject matter. I did find myself crying for him when he wanted to stay in the past. Its some of Harrisons best acting. It really moved me. Hell, make another one for my most beloved character ever put to film. I can never get enough Indian Jones and I’m so happy I have another film to add to the list. I would love to see him go on an adventure without all the action and fight scenes if it was made right. Something like The DaVinci Code with research, solving puzzles, and riddles across the globe. He doesn’t have to beat up and kill people to satisfy me.
This was just another cynical, joyless ride through a beloved property. You cant smile when every single civilian is being murdered, Mutt is dead, Indy is getting divorced, and all the side characters are jerks. Indy didn't even really care about the damn dial through the movie until the end--and why would Archimedes build a one-way warp to that specific battle? That's dumb. Nothing about this was fun.
I like a lot of this review but Indiana being disrespectful, mean and dismissive makes sense for someone who lost a son. What is a homeless man going to do with a clock? Does it matter? The moment was to transmit to us his state of mind. I do agree with the whimsical moments missing here. Example: a nice moment in Indy 3 where Indy looks at his father with wonder after his dad shops the birds on the beach with an umbrella and brings down a plane this movie did not have that. The problem with Helena’s character was her conflicting motivations. Thief? Lover of archaeology? Self serving? Self sacrificing? Which is it? The writing did her character no justice. I didn’t give much thought to the apartment at the end. Hell, I’ve lived in both homes and apartments and you can find happiness or misery in both.
Overall I liked the movie well enough. The opening sequence felt pretty great. That felt a lot like Indiana Jones. What I think was missing was a big heroic moment for Indy in the latter half with the classic John Williams march playing at full blast. A non-passive Indy in the climax would have gone a long way. Also, not once did I feel enchanted with the locations they were at. Nothing felt grand, epic or sweeping in terms of filming and locations. In these types of movies the locations, people and cultures often are a sort of a character themselves in the movie. This movie doesn't have that. Those are the two ingredients that I think are missing from the recipe.
Kathleen Kennedy personally responsible for Luke, Han, Willow and now Indy destruction. My audience hated it, especially the ending. Listening to the convos as the couple dozen of us were filling out doesn’t bode well for this film. Kennedy’s misandry will have cost Disney Billions, with a “B” ….
It confirms that they are out of touch with the fan base of this IP. I'm willing to bet the return of Short Round, even before his fairytale 'come back' would have been welcomed with open arms. Short Round is a beloved character from the original trilogy. And the underuse of Salah and Marion is just as wasteful an opportunity amongst many other things in this production of an unworthy Indiana Jones send off. Oh well. Great review!
I haven't seen much people talk about this, maybe out of respect, but the score was awful, every chase or action scene had a lackluster and underwhelming score
Regardless of what Shia LaBeouf did, the idea that the character of Mutt, who in the late 60s would have been in his late 30s enlisted in an unpopular war is beyond ridiculous. Especially when he was a counter culture biker and would enlist to piss off a father who didn't raise him. Just another stupid item to toss into dumpster fire of a movie.
Wait a minute, they made the black woman an FBI or CIA agent who they killed off, but they made the black man a hotel worker. So they killed off the black female character and they emasculated the male black character. Screw this movie. I won't pay to watch this film.
I actually really liked the film overall. I mean it wasnt amazing, but it was certainly better than any of the star wars sequel trilogy. I know it was probably hard to give harrison ford action scens considering he kept injuring himself on set. But i think pheobe waller bridge did a job job filling in where he couldnt.
I’m sorry but to call that scene with the WW2 vet just nothing is ridiculous. Mads’ line there is quite literally his origin. “You didn’t win the war, Hitler lost it” then goes after Archimes dial TO KILL HITLER.
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I hate when writers think they can only build a new character up by tearing an old character down. It almost never works and yet it’s like they keep doing it again and again and again.
I used to support the writers strike but how can these people expect support when they are TERRIBLE at their jobs?
LOL Grace cited every reason for tearing down heroes except for an imperative to deconstruct male heroes informed by feminism (her blind spot or she meant to leave it out)
I believe the problem is that studios want franchises which forces out mid priced and unique movies. The writers just shoehorn in the scripts that they would have had for independent movies into the franchise movies.
It’s to show that men are a thing of the past and now they want to make it that woman are the future and remember Kathleen Kennedy said “The Future is Female” and she’s sticking with that
@@ghanimaatreides5889Grace will never call out Feminism Because she champions that cause and anything that may shatter that narrative can’t be mentioned
Thank you, Grace, for pointing out how Hollywood missed the point of why The Dark Knight “worked”. There’s this weird rewrite of history that the Nolan trilogy was super dark and edgelord, when it was actually quite quippy and optimistic and didn’t completely deconstruct Batman, but rather distilled him. Whether you like which part Nolan focuses on is another matter
That and Batman growing into an old, jaded man is canon in both Batman Beyond and The Dark Knight Returns (and probably others I'm not familiar with). It stuck true to his established character, rather than pulling it out of the blue.
@@Jasta85 uh what? in dark knight rises Bruce doesn’t grow into that, he is retired and dating Selina. The opposite of jaded
@@CYeoungI mean he has, then he batmans again, then he goes and retires happily with selina. It’s not the ending but it’s part of the story.
Imagine if both Marion and Indy tried getting the dial for their son and cut Helena out of it. I agree. Grief and acceptance at the end of the movie.
I feel like a lot of the comments here know how to make a better movie. Hollywood is crap
Harrison had a tough time keeping up with the rapid pace of the action sequences. Having Marion in there too wouldn't have looked believable imo.
@@dfcintron I would’ve liked a buddy comedy with Sallah as well. Sad he didn’t go on the adventure with him.
The dial would always lead to 212 bc. It can’t be used for anything else.
Id take that. We wouldn't even need to see Shia at the end. Have a letter from Mutt! Anything but this film.
To be fair to Mark Hamil, he did not want his character to go down the path it did, at all, he just doesn’t have the power that Harrison does. He was largely forgotten for years.
I think it’s really weird that Kathleen Kennedy thinks it’s a good idea to destroy fans’ heroes. I guess she thinks there’s more people out there that want to see a sad, broken Luke Skywalker and Indiana Jones?
Men are bad. Especially old white men who have traditional values.
Indiana Jones was barely a character. I think it just doesn't work here what they were trying to do. I goes so far away from Indiana Jones film you may as well make a new series. Characters in Star Wars were more complex and it is definitely feasible that Luke would become jaded, plus it is not like the other films didn't stray away from darker elements.
For the first time in a long while, I pretty much completely agree with you, Grace.
Especially your closing sentiments. People who love the material should be the ones in creative control of these projects; none of this, by committee, nonsense.
You do realise last jedi worked like this? I think it was the best sequel film (haven't seen Solo) but many disagree.
Isn't that why what could have been a throwaway series, _The Mandalorian_ succeeded? Because the makers liked the OT?
"I don't go to watch Indiana Jones movies to explore those dark feelings thank you very much" hahaha well said!!
Thanks for this, Grace. I think this is why Maverick worked for me. We do grow older with our heroes and seeing Maverick do his thing, but still need others, was a better journey. I didn't like what Mangold did to Logan either. As soon as I heard he was directing, I thought Indy was going to die because those are Mangold-type stories. It was close...Personally, I would have loved Indy finding Atlantis, having it not be what we think, and Indy staying there as a hero for all time.
Logan made the sacrifice for his clone/daughter to survive and escape…. One of the great films and peak comic book films.
@andrewhirvela7615 they did not want to mix things with DC Studios doing Atlantis ( Aquaman's stories )
Do you mean Mel Gibson's _Maverick (1994)_ about the father and son with Jodie Foster and James Garner? They didn't tear those characters down.
It’s a weird realisation when the action sequences were some of the most drab parts of an INDIANA JONES film 😭 I’m not sure if Mangold screwed up or if it was covid but I just couldn’t wait for most of them to be over, and it was the quieter character moments that I actually thought were the most well executed and fun
Action was pretty good but those scenes were too similar and long.
I think the shots themselves were amazing! I really liked all of the action, but I think what was missing is a bunch of wide angle shots in between to let it breath!
I don't know if this extremly-close-to-the action approach was committed during filming or during editing!
I saw it in 4DX and the action scenes were cheffs kiss. Perfect.
I actually really liked this film, and the ending was sweet. I see a lot of things they could have done differently, but I had a great time with this film and plan to go see it again tomorrow.
I absolutely loved the dialogue in the final scene where Marion ask Indy if, “the real Indy is back, I heard the real Indy is back”, implying that Indy was the one who was destroyed after his sons death and drove them apart, as Indy earlier explained that it was Marion who broke down, Indy at the start of the movie and Marion being composed in the last scene also implies this reality!
Is Indy trying to save his late friend’s daughter as catharsis after failing to save his son? Nope
Is Helena trying to find the answers of why her father cared so much more about this dial than his own daughter? Nope
Is Voller about to discover that he is in fact Archimedes and will get stuck in the past with a bootstrap-paradox dial? Nope
Is Indy resigning to the past so that he can inscribe a warning on an artefact for his future self to find and allow him to actually tell his son that he would die and hopefully save his life? Nope
Did Indy fallout with his friend and goddaughter because he forcefully took the dial from him at their last encounter to save him from his obsession? Nope
So many good sets ups there they didn’t take advantage of
It seems clear to me that Kennedy was trying to set up a Helena Shaw spin-off series or movie. Once again, she was unhealthily fixated on elevating female characters when she *should* have been giving Indy the send-off he deserved. There *are* parts of this movie that I enjoyed, and, unlike some, I actually did like Helena on occasion; I think she had potential. But Kennedy's intentions became clearer as the movie progressed, and the way the movie ended was a travesty.
Again, agreed with all points brought up. In short, I was hoping for more classic Indiana sleuthing - more like a DaVinci Code vibe where he's solving puzzles, discovering things as they go. No need for a long, ridiculous car / horse chase in this film. Give me more mythology in a movie like this. And I do not understand how some of the things that clearly took us out of the movie (older voice open sequence, Indy's ability to jump from car to car, run and climb with ease) aren't flagged and corrected on a movie of this size.
I guess I wasn’t so depressed because I felt like the premise of this film reflected the now - I feel like the internet is the “looking to the stars”, where the younger generations don’t really respect anything that isn’t modern. The historians have suddenly become vilified and “boomers” are to be ignored… so to see Indy still being Indy and the selfish “Wombat”, who represented a younger generation, actually being the one PUNCHING Indy back into relevance, it made me think the generations CAN make peace! And that my own father is struggling I saw much of my dad in Indy.
I really liked this movie. I was 16 when the first one came out and saw it 4 times in the theater. I’ve grown old with the franchise and related to Indy’s struggles. Loved the ending. It didn’t make me feel bad. Getting old is not the end. Many of us ride bikes, hike, and enjoy life. I think younger people are afraid of getting older. But I would not trade my wisdom and experience for youth. The other stuff he goes through is real life and leaning to take life on life’s terms is huge.
I'm 50 myself and I remember the innocence of the time before the internet.
The audience has spoken, we don’t like our legacy characters deconstructed. Either learn, or lose money. But i think hollywood believes they are above our criticism.
The auidence has spoken? It has a 90% auidence rating now, third highest for a Indy movie.
@@Peppers19781978and the box office opening is bad, money matters not reviews
Just a heads up: deconstruction doesn't ALWAYS/necessarily mean 'disrespect' of beloved legacy characters/tropes. The problem is that pretty much ONLY this type of deconstruction (with the agenda of boosting some new character in place of the old) is happening in Hollywood since the last decade.
Scream, Unforgiven, 500 Days of Summer, The Irishman, Watchmen (by Alan Moore), The Dark Knight Returns (by Frank Miller), Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc were all examples of deconstruction done RIGHT.
@@arjunmanoj2155that’s fair! However, if you deconstruct everything, you will have nothing. You have to build strong foundations first and establish them. Then let those who want to deconstruct do it.
Watchmen might be a deconstruction of the DC comics universe, but at least it had the good grace to use parody characters, rather than using the actual characters. That’s the problem with modern deconstruction - allow the filmmakers to have the original IP and trash it.
Thank you Grace. As a senior citizen I can tell you the fear of dying alone is always there, even though it may be irrational. I don’t want to watch a movie like that, and to destroy such a beloved character on top of it has become tiresome and depressing. Shame on Harrison Ford for allowing it, TWICE. Perhaps he, like the rest of Hollywood have no clue what it’s like to be just a normal person struggling to find comfort in whatever they can
The fear of death is a natural condition are minds turn to.death is not to be feared it's a natural state of the universe everything dies evenully.but I also know we have electrical energy call it a soul that goes back into the cosmos.dont be afaird it's nature
it's not like that. She's exaggerating
@@CASSIE_COLEno she’s not. Seen it last night and I was even disappointed
I enjoyed the film. The scene where Indy tells Helena what he would do if he could travel back in time to talk to his son was chilling. Part of me expected Mutt to come back at the end somehow, but I respect the script for not doing that. He got his wife back but not his son. Happy and sad at the same time, just like real life.
It’s a Lucas film IP, so I fully expect Kathleen Kennedy to horribly mishandle it and disrespect Indiana Jones.
Just finished watching. I probably won’t ever watch again. Had its moments, but I wanted the iconic Indy I grew up watching.
I’ve generally subscribed to the idea that there is a deliberate effort to “subvert” - really undermine and devalue our childhood heroes - like Luke, Han and Indy. And I still think that is the case.
But now I think it’s ALSO because the modern moviemakers just don’t know how to do anything else. They only have one cookie-cutter character arc to use. So incompetence, unoriginality and lack of imagination. They just don’t know how to do anything else with an older character.
Got to say I felt sad but it was also kind of brave of Harrison to even be shirtless and looking old, it’s very rarely touched upon for a beloved character , I loved the whole time travel aspect . He also put everything in a museum so probably never made any money 💴
After _The Last Crusade,_ I felt he should have gone back to become the protector of the Grail, hiding it somewhere else.
Star Wars,Terminator, and Indy, taking the same road,be blessed all in Jesus shalom
I was on the fence months ago. After your non-spoiler review I became certain that I would not see this. They Luke Skywalkered his character?!? NO THANK YOU!
They absolutely didn't!
NO THEY DIDNT
Thank you, Grace. Sincerely. Your closing comments are what many fans have been saying for years. It feels good to hear a mainstream reviewer say those same words and to have our feelings validated.
The reason Indiana Jones as a franchise was viable is Indiana Jones's charisma. So that an Indy movie didn't have be perfect like Raiders. So that even Temple of Doom (where things got especially silly and/or shallow) was watchable just because we wanted to see how Indiana Jones would act in those situations. That's what made it financially safe to make a random adventure episode with that character.
Well if you change the character and make him a depressed loser, then that means you're relying on the rest of the movie (plot, other characters, visuals, etc.) to be good. Yeah this happened with Logan, but unfortunately Indy 5 was not good. Helena was not charismatic and wasn't compelling enough to sustain the movie. The plot was dumb and the action sequences were mediocre. The only thing going for it was John Williams, but the sound effects drowned out the music during the action sequences. The best part of the movie was the end credits where you could hear the amazing score.
Can you imagen what they would do to Back to the Future if they could?...
Indy is a Hemingway hero: The emotionless womanizing risk taker.
We now know men can have emotions. How cool it is that writers choose character development.
@@dago4133 lol
Rotten tomatoes 89 audience score seem to differ! I understand if someone might be taken aback, but honestly I really liked the movie.
@@josefabuaisheh6262 I enjoyed it.
I don't want to be haunted by Indiana Jones.
My vote for the most ridiculous scene in the film was the horse galloping down a set of stairs, leaping onto a subway track and galloping toward a subway train, thus heading toward a head on collision. No horse anywhere, police horse or not, would willingly do that. I sat there shaking my head NOPE throughout that stupid boneheaded sequence.
I can see why Spielberg turned this down, but I also think if they had allowed him to tweak the script, he might have been able to bring just the right touch of sunsetting nostalgia, fun AND drama to the ideas (interesting but underused) here. Instead, it was overly nihilistic and full of character assassination. Mangold did this stuff much better in Wolverine. Indy was broken down to being essentially the worst villain and Helena had "to save it all." (which she did multiple times). They had to destroy Indy to build up Helena...this trope keeps happening and makes no one happy.
He only did Crystal Skull as a favour for his old pal, George Lucas. Not a chance in hell he was coming back for this.
You mentioned “as the character gets older the fans get older,” I literally walked out of the theatre when the film was over noticing the majority in the auditorium were muuuuuch older fans!
I cant accept that they killed Mutt...we just got him from crystal skull...and on dial ..he's dead....so many ppl died aimlessly in this movie....ppl in the office..ppl on the boat......
I still have no clue as to why the ending is controversial??? I keep hearing this and after watching it I was like, controversial? Where?
me neither
The rumor is that originally he did die in Ancient Greece, and Helena took his place - but then test audiences hated it, so the ending we saw was a re-shoot.
Not proven, but a rumor with some evidence for its veracity.
Probably him being taken out by a woman. It would have been like if he couldn't let go of the Grail so his father knocks him out and throws him on the back of a horse, to wake up back in town.
I have no desire to go to the cinema and watch them destory a beloved character. I won't give them my money. Let them burn. Disney is going down the drain anyways
He has a happy ending I really don’t understand the accusations
Word!
I loved this movie and I didn't feel that the movie was depressing at all. Indy isn't doing well at the beginning but by the end he's surrounded by people that love him.
I’m with you. His greatest treasure was his all along. All the people that loved him.
My exact feeling. My dad was laughing throughout the film, and he rarely laughs. I think that this may have triggered something personal in Grace and she is projecting.
I love how Jeff is so offended that we like the film that he moves to insult someone’s dad. Really healthy, prudent and productive stuff there my dude.
@JeffCirillo nobody cares if you don't like a thing that someone else liked including me. No need to make fun of someone's dad. Ironically that's a larger indicator of mental illness than someone having a good time. Take your meds.
But doesn't that seems like a bit of lazy writing? Like the only way they knew how to give him a happy[ish] ending was to have him start at absolute rock bottom?
Grace, thank you for this, and the no spoiler, review. I would like to make just a couple of comments.
The first being on the deconstruction of heroes in some recent films. I can't help but think this is an attack on strong male heroes specifically, since I can't think of any example of this being done to a female hero, or "Mary Sue" as you have previously called them.
The second comment was to agree with you about the look on Jones' face as he revealed he felt he had no one to live for. This was truly a sad moment, but you failed to mention the look of the Helena character's face. His comment struck her hard because she, being his god-daughter, was someone for him to live for, someone who would have benefitted from a stable father-figure in her life, given the breakdown of her own father. Jones completely disregarded her and her feelings, and I thought Waller-Bridges reflected this pain in her own face very well.
Keep up the good work!
Well, she didn't seem to care much for him previously in the movie. Maybe she only had her feelings come out when they took Jones on the plane? I'm not sure why they needed to take him.
Another L for Kathleen Kennedy…. No surprises whatsoever.
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i really like critical drinker, mauler and all others yt critics. but you really are amazingly perceptive and sharp as hell. i always remeber when you got emotional after seeing the death of cyborgs father in justice league, you said that most people don't appreciate or notice the sacrifice that his father made in that film,,, and then you explained the reasoning behind his decision perfectly. Really appreciate your commentary.
You say that your audience burst into applause when Helena knocked out Indy, which is *fine,* if that was their honest reaction. Who am I to tell them what to enjoy? Nobody.
But here's the problem with that from a narrative perspective: the *protagonist* should have the agency at the climax of his story. In The Last Crusade, for comparison, Indy was encouraged by his father to abandon the Holy Grail, but Indy *himself* made the decision, and therefore it was *his* moment, his victory of character.
Giving the agency, and the character development, to Helena -- not only at the end of this particular Indiana Jones movie, but at the end of the Indiana Jones SAGA -- is contemptible, in my humble opinion, and it reeks of Kathleen Kennedy.
P.S. This was also a big problem I had with the Loki series, which I know you liked, Grace. Loki had *no* agency in the final episode of his show. None. He was, in effect, a passive observer, who achieved nothing. Sylvie was the main character. She was the proactive one, and she got her way.
THANKS for this, Grace!!!!! And yes, both Indy and his father had houses!!!! I haven't seen the film yet, but I feel you on the bleakness. No one goes to a Superman movie to see Superman *not* save the Senate from being bombed (one of the many problems of BvS).
I didn’t like man of steel but I liked Zod and I like when Superman did not save the Senate… those are like the only things I liked about it
I liked that Superman and that sequence and BvS
Yes the movie is a little bit sadder than thebold ones, but rotten tomatoes show you that not all indy fans agree! It is still a great movie!
89 Audience score shows how much better this story is compared to crystal skull.
You're pretty spot on there Grace. I liked it over all but didn't love it. It's not the direction I would have gone with it. The de-ageing blew my mind and it worked really well for me. The return of Marion at the end was a huge relief.
I don't like Hollywood destroying my favorite characters. And most of all, the hostility towards optimism. They did this to Luke Skywalker, and now Indy! I think I'm going to take a break from movies and go back to books and theater.
I enjoyed the film - in every life a little rain must fall. He had a low point, so what? In the end he had many connections in his life again. He even put his hat on again 😉
Thanks for the review, though. It was not my experience, but after you explained it, I understood where you were coming from. Cheers, Grace.
I loved the commentary about archeology and space exploration in that while Indiana was studying history, space program was making history.
Archeology wasn't completely irrelevant and uninteresting. For example, _Chariots of the Gods_ was published in 1968, spawning interest. I recall reading that Carl Sagan discussed it with an Egyptologist/archeologist, saying the Egyptian stuff was interesting but the astronomy parts were bunk. The expert said he had the opposite opinion that the astronomy was interesting but the Egyptology was bunk. They could have had students eager to learn about aliens inspiring Ancient Egypt and the pyramids, with Indy bursting their bubble. But like Grace said, they didn't explore much about 1969. Of course it was aliens in South America, another reason the previous movie sucked.
It’s not a mistake, it’s intentional.
I hope they’re enjoying the box office…
Phoebe Waller-Bridge was so mean! Her locking Indy behind that gate in the first act instantly turned me off.
I’m also disappointed Ke huy Quan didn’t come back for a fan service cameo. My headcanon is that he’s the one who snatched the hat at the last minute.
Also, the color palate of the whole movie is so drab. That works for lower budget/indie (haha) vibes, but this is a blockbuster, where’s the contrast?
I think people grew up with comics like watchmen - and think deconstructionism is the only way to approach classic heroes and heroines. It isn't, and I wish the trend would die. I don't want to see, say, Superman be realistic (e.g. the Homelander). Let him be great and good. If you want to explore a different, worse, more 'realistic' character create a new one based on the original (again... the Homelander).
No it’s just femanist and me too and all that shite is what informed these movies
But The Boys and Watchmen are fun thought experiments. Obviously, they are riffs on superman, but it’s not the same as actually using superman to do it. That’s the problem here. Giving guys like Mangold control over the original IP.
Yeah this just cemented even more that I’ll be avoiding this movie entirely. Lucasfilm should’ve left Indy alone after the third film
The movie was on par with Crystal Skull in terms of movie quality. However, it was a terrible send off to Indiana Jones. Didn't care for what they did to his family in it at all.
Grace, your final comment with the mirror is very well done.
Also, us „normal guys“ want our heroes too. If EVERY old character/franchise is squeezed into a 4 quadrant thing only by stunt casting instead of finding a good creative team and a story, it’s simply not fair to the fans who MADE a franchise this long lasting and genuinely LOVE a character
Grace, I absolutely agree that this is a good story just not a good INDIANA JONES story. All of Indy’s likable qualities, his boyish charm, sarcasm , and PLAYFULNESS….barely in this movie. It’s sad that this is the final chapter for IJ… and I didn’t like the final scene with Marianne…just corny … and final thought, has Harrison forgotten how to smile 🤷♀️
I just saw it and I really liked it! It was a lot better than crystal skull despite not being directed by Spielberg!
I think that a lot of people would enjoy the movie for what it is. I just hope it is the last one!
When I think of _Kingdom of the Crystal Skull_ I think of Marion and Mutt near the beginning and at the end, which I liked. I try not to think of the rest. I think that movie did more to make this one fail than a depressed Indiana Jones, because that's what young people remember. If _Star Trek_ movies had such a break between movies, hardly anyone would have gone to see _Star Trek IV_ or _Star Trek VI_ after the previous installments.
I think stories like this makes me learn to appreciate the Safdie Brothers. For years they've been known for rejecting offers from major studios and agencies, really understands what kind of filmmakers they want to be, and most important of all, how they like to work. Even though they now work with big stars like Adam Sandler, they are somehow still able to find a collaborative process that didn't sacrifice their artistic integrities and ego just to make a buck. They know if you're just committed to the craft and your love for the craft, you will find people with the same passion for the work as much as you do.
Just think for a moment how many heroe’s that changed history ended up alone in an apartment forgotten by everyone. Atleast Indy still has Marion.
My question is did we really need another Indy sequel with another send off for the character? We’ve had three now. The only good one was last crusade literally riding into the sunset. The only good part of Skull was Indy marrying Marion. The rest was garbage. Did we need this movie??
Interesting talk Grace! I just saw the movie and I thought it was pretty good! First, I did not realize that his retirement was forced. I did feel for his character in the beginning. I did enjoy the parade scenes and Indy riding the horse in the subway. I do agree that if they included Marion and Sallah maybe even Short Round for another adventure.; I think that would have been a better story and ending for the franchise. I also felt bad for Sallah when he said he had his passport and wanted to go on another adventure. Also, it would of been good to show the funeral or a notice that the son died just to tie in stuff from the Crystal Skull. It has been a minute since I watched that one and it would have a good refresher! Thanks again for the review! ❤😊
The problem is that either Indy doesn't choose his friends well, like in the beginning of _Raiders_ or they get killed like in _Temple of Doom,_ "I followed you on many adventures." Either he has to pick people whom he barely knows so doesn't care much about, or risk his friends getting killed in front of him. I'd rather he'd have had a picture of Short Round on his wall, then have him get killed diving with him.
Cool video. James Bond did sacrifice himself to save people, and since Daniel was leaving the role anyways, I didn't think his ending was too sad
So grateful for Star Trek Picard where they gave fans a last adventure worth watching.
Yeah, but we had two god awful seasons where they destroyed the character.
I was expecting to not like it based off reviews. But I gotta say, I kinda loved it. I don't mind the darker tone. I think it grounds the subject matter in a good way. I like seeing classic characters deconstructed. I think it's a sophisticated approach that doesn't treat the audience as simpletons. I thought it was a well done movie overall.
There's no reason to focus on an aging James Bond to pass the mantle on. You just hire a new guy and he's the new Bond. That's been the formula since the beginning. That said, you can't really do that with Indiana Jones, but you CAN do something similar.
Passing the torch (or hat in this instance) to a new Indiana Jones-like character could've worked, but it needed to be handled with care.
I know Shia had no interest to return to the role of Mutt, but Mutt could've been recast since there's a 15 year time jump, and this film could've been a play on the events of Last Crusade, with the Mutt character being like Indiana and Indiana being like Henry Jones Sr..
Especially when you consider that Shia in Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was very much like young Indiana in the opening of Last Crusade with how determined and manic he was during the action sequences, and I can absolutely get behind a new franchise called 'The Adventures of Mutt Jones.'
This Helena character is just too bleh and unlikeable to do anything with.
There were three different Spiderman actors in a decade span. People will accept a new actor for the role.
@@orlock20 True, and especially in the sense of a character like Mutt, but not so for Indy. If, right after Last Crusade, Indiana had been recast for further adventures it would've worked, but now we've seen him in his prime for the original trilogy, at an older stage in his life in Crystal Skull, and then again 15 years after that in Dial of Destiny. At this point Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones, but it doesn't mean a spin-off character can't be created to continue those types of adventures in that same universe, but unfortunately for Phoebe Waller-Bridge, she isn't that character. She just doesn't work as a character.
After seeing that they’d deaged him in the trailer I really thought they were going to go back in time more and that we were going to see some sort of hitler confrontation like in last crusade. Would’ve also been great to use the deaging more to explore his family and how it broke down.
Me too. I thought we'd be time-travelling through Indiana Jones's life.
I don't want to spend money to watch Indiana Jones treated like crap they already full me on Star wars when they dogged Han Solo Luke and Leia....
It's unimaginative . And that's not the an Indiana Jones adventure. This is a misadventure of epic proportions...
And this kind of stuff needs to stop if you don't like the characters of the past create your own don't tear down our eye-cons could you imagine John Wayne coming back to play one of his iconic roles and he's dogged in it....... For a nobody that nobody knows or cares about.... These people have forgotten what makes movies movies and what makes stars..
Yes, Grace! It was all so depressing! Booo! This was a film in disguise as a Indiana Jones film. Crystal Skull ended better! It was completely missing the Spielberg touch in all aspects, and I couldn't stand how they tore him down. I was pulled out from the start. The end did not fit Indiana at all. He is always hopeful. I never laughed either. So bleak. SO bleak. I mean, if they killed Indiana Jones, id have walked out. I've read and heard SO many better ideas for a fifth film plot, even my own was better. haha. These are the writers using well loved franchises for their own gains, and I HATE it. It was awful what they did to Indiana, and they tried to make us not like Marion! I hated that they killed off Mutt (so lazy), and the film was so linear. I like Mangold's films, but he missed the mark here.
They looked at how people loved Logan and thought hey this could work with Indy too! I never understood why you all love the equally bleak Logan so much, but now everybody thinks it’s the best template for every aging franchise lead to go out on!
I guess Indy's son REALLY didn’t want to go to school.
Clearly not an Indy fan if that’s how you pronounce Salah. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Oh gosh haha. She has to go back and rewatch the films.
I’m confused because he became the dean at the end of Crystal Skull. Then he’s suddenly a professor at a different school with no explanation
Yeah, why would he be at Hunter? Was that even a half decent school back then? Indiana Jones belongs at one of the Midwestern land grant schools.
@@2Hats74 Going into it, I was imagining that he was on a dig somewhere and his reputation as a treasure-hunter brought out some villains who killed his grad students. That would depress him and maybe make him lose a good position.
One major problem with the ending of this movie: Phoebe Waller-Bridge was terribly miscast. She's so thin(almost frail) and gangly that she's completely unbelievable as a physically strong female, yet she manages to kick booty against the villains and knock out Indiana Jones with one punch. Really?!?!! Come on! She'd break every bone in her hand if she punched Indy in the face. No way, no how, uh-uh.
I keep thinking these characters must have brass knuckles or something but never see it. I remember Tom Wilson who played Biff in _Back to the Future_ saying he most likely could take a punch from someone like Crispin Glover, who played George McFly. Remember that some big guys could take the punch from Indy?
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KENNEDY NEEDS TO BE FIRED!
The Ticker Tape sequence was shot in Glasgow over here in Scotland I was there for it being filmed.
Star Trek, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, 007
Huh, I didn't find it depressing at all! I agree it has more emotional depth than Spielberg's originals. But it feels like a whole, complete story that someone wanted to tell. I'll take that ANY day over force awakens style Hodge podge assembly of fan service pieces trying to give me what I want.
Temple of Doom was a complete tonal 180 from raiders. I'm fine with each installment being different as long as it's good and commits which I think this did.
Also I loved Helena, I liked that she's not trying to be a "good person", she brought a lot of the fun I had with the film
I really liked Dial of Destiny. It surpasses Temple of Doom to me. And thinking about the life of Indiana Jones, I think now I like Crystal Skull a little better. (It's still my least favourite though, because that third act is too videogame-like.) It didn't bother me that Indy was in a low, and I didn't mind Helena's character, I liked her, and I think it was sweet to think that Indy is loved and has people in his life. And Marion came back, that was unexpected to me.
I really enjoyed this, and I can't understand why people don't like it. The end was amazing! To talk to Archimedes himself! In ancient Greek! I really enjoyed all that! I had a great time!
I agree.
Not me watching Grace's spoiler review instead of going to watch the movie😂❤
It comes down to insecure women in control of IP with heroic men as the leads, and they are intent to destroy it, or replace it with weak failures as male leads.
Katlyn Kennedy seems to love make movie heroes have miserable and depressing futures where nobody respects them anymore.... why??????
I hope she's OUT after this movie
I don't want to see Indiana Jones acting like Jake Skywalker. Also I didn't want to see Luke Skywalker acting like Jake Skywalker either... It's time to get rid of these people at lucasfilm they just don't get what made these movies fun in the first
For me they got the ending right,it's an ending that made indy happy much better than a silly ride off into the sunset, really enjoyed the movie don't get the hate.
How can Kathleen Kennedy keep her job after this???
How many more films starring a white brunette female have to flop. Best one was Rogue One.
Rey got worse and worse, I don’t even remember Emilia Clarke’s name in Solo, and now we got Helena.
Kennedy, at least quit casting women who look like you. Throw in a redhead or something. It’s like she wants to star in every film herself.
Shes doing her job perfectly, why would she be fired? This is exactly how they want you to feel about your old heroes.
How many of those movies made a billion dollars? I'm not saying she is right but... Money talks when it comes to her keeping her job.
I also kept thinking why didn't Marion and Sallah join Indy, instead of Helena, who looked more like a villain, rather than an ally!
They could even bring their grandkids allong for the ride!
Mutt's death wouldn't have bothered me so much if he at least had given them a couple of grandkids!
It would have been a much more entertaining movie. And a different take on the family dynamic.
She basically was a villain until the last 15 minutes or so.
My main complaint also is the lack of humor - the original three were as much comedies as they were action-adventures.
I’m a huge Indy fan since 1981, and overall I thought it was a very good film. Sure there are a few flaws, and plot holes but all of them have them. Even the best ones. He’s 70 years old in this film. He is not going to be the same guy we want him to be, and from what we have seen, he has been through a lot in his life. That kind of life takes a toll in your later years. So, even though I like the film very much, and was glad they made it, the question is, did we need to see an elderly Indiana Jones? Some are saying no. I say yes. We finally have a more serious Indiana Jones film not seen since the first two films with the subject matter. I did find myself crying for him when he wanted to stay in the past. Its some of Harrisons best acting. It really moved me. Hell, make another one for my most beloved character ever put to film. I can never get enough Indian Jones and I’m so happy I have another film to add to the list. I would love to see him go on an adventure without all the action and fight scenes if it was made right. Something like The DaVinci Code with research, solving puzzles, and riddles across the globe. He doesn’t have to beat up and kill people to satisfy me.
I loved the movie. I love movie and that ending it was the best they could do with the character. But as always it is so nice to hear your thoughts :)
This was just another cynical, joyless ride through a beloved property. You cant smile when every single civilian is being murdered, Mutt is dead, Indy is getting divorced, and all the side characters are jerks. Indy didn't even really care about the damn dial through the movie until the end--and why would Archimedes build a one-way warp to that specific battle? That's dumb. Nothing about this was fun.
Its a paradox
Disney destroys another of their Lucasfilms box office franchises! It is Indiana Jones this time and not Star Wars!😂
“Sad, devastating, a horror to behold” are not words that should be used to describe an Indy movie. What the hell.
I like a lot of this review but Indiana being disrespectful, mean and dismissive makes sense for someone who lost a son. What is a homeless man going to do with a clock? Does it matter? The moment was to transmit to us his state of mind. I do agree with the whimsical moments missing here. Example: a nice moment in Indy 3 where Indy looks at his father with wonder after his dad shops the birds on the beach with an umbrella and brings down a plane this movie did not have that.
The problem with Helena’s character was her conflicting motivations. Thief? Lover of archaeology? Self serving? Self sacrificing? Which is it? The writing did her character no justice.
I didn’t give much thought to the apartment at the end. Hell, I’ve lived in both homes and apartments and you can find happiness or misery in both.
Overall I liked the movie well enough. The opening sequence felt pretty great. That felt a lot like Indiana Jones. What I think was missing was a big heroic moment for Indy in the latter half with the classic John Williams march playing at full blast. A non-passive Indy in the climax would have gone a long way. Also, not once did I feel enchanted with the locations they were at. Nothing felt grand, epic or sweeping in terms of filming and locations. In these types of movies the locations, people and cultures often are a sort of a character themselves in the movie. This movie doesn't have that. Those are the two ingredients that I think are missing from the recipe.
Kathleen Kennedy personally responsible for Luke, Han, Willow and now Indy destruction.
My audience hated it, especially the ending. Listening to the convos as the couple dozen of us were filling out doesn’t bode well for this film.
Kennedy’s misandry will have cost Disney Billions, with a “B” ….
You talked me out of it lol. I’m so sad already!
Why they didn’t just team up Indy and short round to end not only their story but Indy’s as well was a huge wasted opportunity
Alas, Ke Huy Quan's career didn't blow up until after they'd started to make the movie.
Ke Huy Quan was always better than PWB regardless of how big Everything Everywhere All at Once was. Instead we got PWB who is unwatchable in any role.
It confirms that they are out of touch with the fan base of this IP. I'm willing to bet the return of Short Round, even before his fairytale 'come back' would have been welcomed with open arms. Short Round is a beloved character from the original trilogy. And the underuse of Salah and Marion is just as wasteful an opportunity amongst many other things in this production of an unworthy Indiana Jones send off. Oh well. Great review!
Kathleen Kennedy wanted a woman to be the co-lead
Grace, another amazing review. Cannot stress how much I appreciate your insights!
I haven't seen much people talk about this, maybe out of respect, but the score was awful, every chase or action scene had a lackluster and underwhelming score
Regardless of what Shia LaBeouf did, the idea that the character of Mutt, who in the late 60s would have been in his late 30s enlisted in an unpopular war is beyond ridiculous. Especially when he was a counter culture biker and would enlist to piss off a father who didn't raise him. Just another stupid item to toss into dumpster fire of a movie.
I agree wanted adventure with Marion too. Why Phoebe even cast?!
Wait a minute, they made the black woman an FBI or CIA agent who they killed off, but they made the black man a hotel worker. So they killed off the black female character and they emasculated the male black character. Screw this movie. I won't pay to watch this film.
20:30 He knew he was about to die, so he programmed the device so that someone from the future would save him.
@willjackson5885 its a time loop Paradox like in the flash movie
"It's not science if you can't prove it."
I actually really liked the film overall. I mean it wasnt amazing, but it was certainly better than any of the star wars sequel trilogy. I know it was probably hard to give harrison ford action scens considering he kept injuring himself on set. But i think pheobe waller bridge did a job job filling in where he couldnt.
I’m sorry but to call that scene with the WW2 vet just nothing is ridiculous. Mads’ line there is quite literally his origin. “You didn’t win the war, Hitler lost it” then goes after Archimes dial TO KILL HITLER.