@harrihealey02 Cool, thanks Harri :) The motor room isn't 'really' high. Probably some short steps would get to it. My shoes were a little too slippery to start climbing on hand rails to reach it, so I didn't!! I'll take trainers next time LOL! I checked out the motor rooms for the other lifts. They do a strange thing here, the key for the motor room is in a seperate small locked cabinet, that's mounted ON the door (you can see it in the middle of the screen at 01:56-it's in the red box).
This reminds me of the lift in my parent's building before it got modernized. A " Gervais-Schindler " lift with those fixtures and the same way of " clicking " ( timers, level detection, etc ... ). It was a simple mono-speed lift, it has since been modernized with variable speed and perfect levelling, which is nice, however it now has sterile vocal announcements, and cheap power electronics rejecting a high pitched noise in every appartments when running ( you can clearly hear that with some cheap speakers systems with a non-filtered power supply ). And what's really " great " is that the travel time is longer since it has been refurbished !
Yep, everything you've described is the character being ripped away from an old lift. I'm not at all interested in new lifts, except perhaps mitsubishi as these are quite cool. It's surprising how sound vibrations travel through buildings. i remember a block of flats in Slough that had a PTZ camera (pan/tilt/zoom) the old type on the side wall. Residents used to ring up the control room at night to complain about the noise whenever they moved it, because the motors in the PTZ head travelled through the bracket and through the wall!!
The sound I was talking about doesn't travel through the building, it's noise rejected by power electronics in the electrical network of the builing. Yes, the new electronics are polluting the electrical current ... ! I guess those are some El Cheapo electronics. But yes, " mechanical " sounds do travel a lot in buildings, I remember when I was younger and still living with my parents, I was hearing the old motor running when someone used the lift and I knew by heart how the relays were functionning so by counting in my head I knew exactly when the lift would stop and at which level ... all of that from by bedroom. The new motor is less noisy and I barely hear it from my parents appartment ( situated on the top floor ). When waiting for the lift or when riding the lift, everything produces a high pitched noise, it has nothing in common with the original lift :( The motor currently used for the lift is a Schindler W140, the same as in your " HotelExploring!! Hotel/Saudi Arabia. Unlocked old lift motor room (Part 2of2) " video ( seen at 10min06sec ) but with modern control and power electronics.
And no wonder so many people hate when they add innerdoors to these swing door ones because as soon as you press a floor button its in a big hurry and wants to shut and take off
It is very interesting that all over the world old elevators are being upgraded keeping changes that require local legislation and safety. In the countries of the former USSR, old elevators are simply replaced with cheaper and uglier ones. Old parts, cabin, doors are simply cut out. The walls of the mine are made of mesh, replaced with metal sheets. This is all much more expensive than modernization, and looks much worse. It's killing me.
I am thinking this might be a traction machine with the angle cutout in the ceiling, with a deflector sheave to an independent counterweight hoist way. However it could still be a winding drum w/o a counterweight which are less common but out there.
@funcik1 That's the question :) I don't know. Does it have one? Might not, but if it does, it'll probably be in the lift shaft of the lift that's next door. But the other lift serves the 6th floor, where the scenic lift stops at the 5th, so the shafts don't exactly line up. We may never know.
I find it really odd how back then schindler made it so that the outside panals are really big and the call button is like 20x smaller and is in the corner like that and not in the middle of the panal
Now that I'm looking back in this video, it might not be a winding drum lift at all! Here in Norway, it is typical to use anorher shaft for the counterweight if it is a luxurious hotel or building.
+gutteboy It's more than likely a winding drum. If you look at the "slot" cut for the ropes to go through on the ceiling, you'll see the position of the cable moving from one side to the other as the lift is going up and down - this is because the cable is being wound onto the drum. If there were a counter weight then the cable would be diverted into another shaft and there would be a hole rather than a slot in the ceiling.
@thyssenelevator95 Yep, no black buttons you mean? :P I like the bulb position indicators on the lower levels with the totally faided ink on the paper behind.
At the time, I didn't think it did. But I bet 75% that it DOES have one. There is a normal passenger lift next to this lift, so it could be that the counterweight is located in this shaft. That would make sense. Wish I'd looked, but this was back in 2011?
Hi, Sorry, I've got no idea. The lift in this hotel is probably 1940s? The R Waygood was about 40 years older, so technology changes, it's probably not going to look exactly the same.
+adithyamc Gaming There is a lift in Medan, Indonesia which was made by R. Waygood and it is said to be the first lift in the country from the early 1900's. A local newspaper said the lift is winding drum and manually controlled.
id be ok with that sort of lift if i got stuck in 1 i'd have some were to look out & flag attetion regulor types i dont even dare go near not even the lift at the get lost carpart i never went near it not even once
Old vintage Schindler mod by Schindler with very rare S-séries vandal resistant car buttons and with innerdoors.
Very beautiful lifts
@harrihealey02 Cool, thanks Harri :) The motor room isn't 'really' high. Probably some short steps would get to it. My shoes were a little too slippery to start climbing on hand rails to reach it, so I didn't!! I'll take trainers next time LOL!
I checked out the motor rooms for the other lifts. They do a strange thing here, the key for the motor room is in a seperate small locked cabinet, that's mounted ON the door (you can see it in the middle of the screen at 01:56-it's in the red box).
This reminds me of the lift in my parent's building before it got modernized. A " Gervais-Schindler " lift with those fixtures and the same way of " clicking " ( timers, level detection, etc ... ). It was a simple mono-speed lift, it has since been modernized with variable speed and perfect levelling, which is nice, however it now has sterile vocal announcements, and cheap power electronics rejecting a high pitched noise in every appartments when running ( you can clearly hear that with some cheap speakers systems with a non-filtered power supply ). And what's really " great " is that the travel time is longer since it has been refurbished !
Yep, everything you've described is the character being ripped away from an old lift. I'm not at all interested in new lifts, except perhaps mitsubishi as these are quite cool. It's surprising how sound vibrations travel through buildings. i remember a block of flats in Slough that had a PTZ camera (pan/tilt/zoom) the old type on the side wall. Residents used to ring up the control room at night to complain about the noise whenever they moved it, because the motors in the PTZ head travelled through the bracket and through the wall!!
The sound I was talking about doesn't travel through the building, it's noise rejected by power electronics in the electrical network of the builing. Yes, the new electronics are polluting the electrical current ... ! I guess those are some El Cheapo electronics.
But yes, " mechanical " sounds do travel a lot in buildings, I remember when I was younger and still living with my parents, I was hearing the old motor running when someone used the lift and I knew by heart how the relays were functionning so by counting in my head I knew exactly when the lift would stop and at which level ... all of that from by bedroom. The new motor is less noisy and I barely hear it from my parents appartment ( situated on the top floor ). When waiting for the lift or when riding the lift, everything produces a high pitched noise, it has nothing in common with the original lift :( The motor currently used for the lift is a Schindler W140, the same as in your " HotelExploring!! Hotel/Saudi Arabia. Unlocked old lift motor room (Part 2of2) " video ( seen at 10min06sec ) but with modern control and power electronics.
Rejected? That doesn't make sense. Sounds like they're not rejecting anything.
It is _injecting_ noise onto the mains.
Very nice Schindler elevator 👍 it looks like 1940s
Even though the automatic door one wasnt as epic as the old one it still has some character with the old cabs and the brass doors
i would love to see the motor room! :)
There could be a counter weight in a remote location, I have read about elevators like that before.
And no wonder so many people hate when they add innerdoors to these swing door ones because as soon as you press a floor button its in a big hurry and wants to shut and take off
I know you didn't manage to film the first lift (the one nearest to your room) but did you manage to ride it?
It is very interesting that all over the world old elevators are being upgraded keeping changes that require local legislation and safety. In the countries of the former USSR, old elevators are simply replaced with cheaper and uglier ones. Old parts, cabin, doors are simply cut out. The walls of the mine are made of mesh, replaced with metal sheets. This is all much more expensive than modernization, and looks much worse. It's killing me.
I am thinking this might be a traction machine with the angle cutout in the ceiling, with a deflector sheave to an independent counterweight hoist way. However it could still be a winding drum w/o a counterweight which are less common but out there.
it is a winding drum because there is a slot so the cables can move, where as in traction machines, they have holes only
@funcik1 That's the question :) I don't know. Does it have one? Might not, but if it does, it'll probably be in the lift shaft of the lift that's next door. But the other lift serves the 6th floor, where the scenic lift stops at the 5th, so the shafts don't exactly line up.
We may never know.
The motor actually has a motorized brake instead of a magnetic brake
I find it really odd how back then schindler made it so that the outside panals are really big and the call button is like 20x smaller and is in the corner like that and not in the middle of the panal
@funcik1 One of our customers has sites all over Europe. I don't go abroad that often, about once every 2 months on average.
This is almost 70 years old
Now that I'm looking back in this video, it might not be a winding drum lift at all! Here in Norway, it is typical to use anorher shaft for the counterweight if it is a luxurious hotel or building.
+gutteboy It's more than likely a winding drum. If you look at the "slot" cut for the ropes to go through on the ceiling, you'll see the position of the cable moving from one side to the other as the lift is going up and down - this is because the cable is being wound onto the drum. If there were a counter weight then the cable would be diverted into another shaft and there would be a hole rather than a slot in the ceiling.
The love of my life lives in Norway..Born and raised. Amazing beautiful country
@mrmattandmrchay Okey :)
Next time go to my country , Poland , there are lot's of public Gen2 , and the other polish companies with old lifts ^^
What an inconvenient machine room for engineers with arthritis
+sean juth haha yep! Maybe that condition will exempt you from being a lift engineer!
Where is the counterweight btw?
@thyssenelevator95 Yep, no black buttons you mean? :P I like the bulb position indicators on the lower levels with the totally faided ink on the paper behind.
Luxemburg? Where the hell are you always ? :D
This, and all winding drum motors have only one speed
I wonder if today its still origanal or if its long gone
@benobve Cool, thanks.
Does this have a separate counterweight? Winding drums have counterweights separately
At the time, I didn't think it did. But I bet 75% that it DOES have one. There is a normal passenger lift next to this lift, so it could be that the counterweight is located in this shaft. That would make sense. Wish I'd looked, but this was back in 2011?
well even though the inner doors on the old one ruin the character atleast it had some windows to see out the front that kind of makes up for it
yep :)
2:45 The motor is very loud when going up
How do they get up to the machine room?
Is the winding drum machine like the R.Waygood winding drum machine
Hi, Sorry, I've got no idea. The lift in this hotel is probably 1940s? The R Waygood was about 40 years older, so technology changes, it's probably not going to look exactly the same.
+adithyamc Gaming There is a lift in Medan, Indonesia which was made by R. Waygood and it is said to be the first lift in the country from the early 1900's. A local newspaper said the lift is winding drum and manually controlled.
Do the other two elevators have winding drums?
Sorry, I don't know but I don't think so (this was 6 years ago now)
id be ok with that sort of lift if i got stuck in 1 i'd have some were to look out & flag attetion regulor types i dont even dare go near not even the lift at the get lost carpart i never went near it not even once
Winding drum elevators have 2 counterweights, one on the elevator, and one on the drum itself
Does it still exist
Sorry no idea, never been back here
Or like the 1970 winding drum machine
The 1970 winding drum was a one-speed, no passengers goods lift. This one was quite small, so probably cannot compare
It's from the 1950s by the look of the exterior fixtures.
srupid innerdoors ...