That is just amazing sir. The effect you acquired is beautiful. That opens up many avenues in making decretive projects without having he need to use expensive materials. As always Tim well done sir!
@@BIGDOGFORGE my pleasure Tim. I always enjoy your content. No matter how large or small the project. It's always very helpful and informative. Love learning from you
Thanks for doing this testing. I am a woodturner, and learning smithing. This has great potential for decorative accent pieces. especially if I can bring out some awesome temper colors. Structural integrity is not as critical as would be in a knife, as long as it does not delaminate. Instead of burlwood accent, I could make some of this!
Tim you never fail at delivering amazing mind blowing content. I'm following this intently as I'm loving the chemistry that is going on in the process. LP&CG
Really cool experimentation you are doing Tim! You're right that billet has quite a bit of contrast. A lot more than I thought it would. Can't wait for the next video.
Very nice. It's interesting that there are several things going on within the billet with the rust, iron, and borax. You may be converting the rust back to iron during the process.
Read thru document interesting how they figured out how to make a form of damascus. Trying to copy so to speak. May try and have a go at it myself sometime.
Adding the cast iron powder is an interesting idea. As cast iron melts at a lower temperature than steel, it should act as a "glue" between the mild steel (assuming it didn't all get squirted out during the pressing/hammering). And a good percentage of carbon should dissolve into the steel. I will be very interested to see how this billet performs.
Once again a great video, very informative and enjoyable to watch. Your ability to create and edit the video matches your creative abilities in the workshop, my compliments to you Tim.
Thumbs up Timmy! :) I'm curious to see if mustard had any influence. with copper you can create beautiful patina with mustard. Take care and stay safe mate! Greetz from Germany...……. Jürgen
That turned out to be an absolutely beautiful billet I hope to be able to make something like that soon and I wish I had to phyilities to make it into a knife for u and great job Tim
the gold standard for ready-made charcoal is Royal oak charcoal you still need to break it down however it can easily be used in place of coal. there are also several ways of making charcoal available on the internet.
Really cool project! That pattern is beautiful. As for fuel, I have had good success with Royal Oak hardwood charcoal in my coal forge. You may need to add a fore brick to the sides of the firepot to make it deeper. I started making some charcoal, but my retort needs to be rebuilt.
Pretty cool. I like using a mix of borax and steel powder I tried mild steel and 1085,1095 powder they all work. I used the mild steel with 1075 and it did make a pretty nice pattern not real dramatic but there is a simple pattern. Awesome learning experiment It always seems like when u try something like that is works fine then when you try it again it fails. Oh well. It all good thx TIM. say hi to big girl .... Paul
What an interesting idea! So from what I know of the process: 1. If you want to create a less oxidative environment, then put a large pipe of sorts into your forge and then place your pieces into it so that it acts as a shield from the direct flame. In this case it would also isolate you ballot from the ceramic goo! 2. This is a variation of creating “shear steel”. It relies on the idea of carbon migration, which takes time to accomplish. You can increase the carbon content by either placing the pre-welded bands or you consolidated billet into sealed container and let it soak in high (red/orange) heat for many hours. Depending on the effect that you’re looking for you can either leave the canister empty or pack it with a carbon rich substance like charcoal. 3. The variation in contrast was created by a mixture of the cast iron and surface hardened steel bands. If you left it long enough in the fire the carbon would migrate further which would decrease the contrast by equalizing the carbon content. 4. The Indian workmen might not have understood the concept of creating “coke” from coal. If you do not convert the coal it will be pact with Sulphur and Phosphorus which will contaminate the welds and steel. In addition, coke burns hotter than coal or charcoal. Soft wood charcoal might burn hotter than hard wood which would allow better welding conditions. Great video like always! ;)
Do not buy firebricks at Home Depot or Lowe’s as the cost 3x what you can get them for at a mason supplier. HD sells a package of 6 bricks for about $28 ($4.70 each) whereas my local construction supplier sells them individually for $1.50!
Really appreciate your work. I'm learning! So any information thinking outside the box is great! I wish you were closer! I can get a ton of coal for $100. Not promising anything but when this virus nightmare is over? I'll check with a couple of guys who ship coal by rail and barge. They move staggering amount of coal around the country and the world. It will be my gift for watching your work.
It was nice to see you this morning at church. You are a voice of wisdom. I also melted a fire brick in my forge the day I got it. That is a remarkable contrast. All mild steel the the black parts must be the rust and ground cast. That is quite the trick to invent all that many years ago.... Thank you for this. Great experiments make for great invention and understanding... TTYL....
That's very interesting! Could you do a spark test comparison between the original mild steel and the rusty damascus, just to see if any carbon from the cast iron got stuck in there?
Great vid tim i have a question for ya what about a ceramic tile for the floor of the forg oh and thanks for what you said on sunday meating about me thank you
@@BIGDOGFORGE tim, why will will my pocket knife never keep an edge? On forged in fire they beat the heck out of a blade and some never chip or dull. Could you take a pocket knife and replace the blade with one that won't chip or dull? That would make a great program. Regards, Bob
I have about 50-75lbs of an old homemade welders core, about 1"-1 1/2" wide strips, some are about 2 1/2' long, stacked about 8" thick, I would like to make some pattern welded out of it, these strips are seriously thin, how thick should I stack them so they can heat up in the core without burning up the skin? Or would sandwiching them between some thicker material be a better way? And I don't have a power hammer or a press. So it will all be done by hand.
just had the same thing happen to my forge floor. I was kinda shocked. One question where would one get those barrel bands? As always Tim Thank you for your time and sharing your knowledge.
Looks great Tim 👍 would you be willing to sell some of that material? I’ve been learning to forge blades from different kinds of known steel but haven’t had good luck with forging damascus ...I get too many delams lol I know practice will be the only way to learn
The page numbers in the document bring me to a piece on preparing an etching ground for copper plate. I don't see any correlation between that and this video. Anyone got a link that works?
The Link In The Video Should Work Now. Thanks for letting me know. Just incase this link should work as well, it will take you to page #105 then scroll down. Thanks for watching.. play.google.com/books/reader?id=-vU5AQAAIAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.RA3-PA105
@@BIGDOGFORGE My apologies Tim, the issue was a problem with the cookies settings on my phone's web browser which I was able to fix. So thank you otherwise I might have had this issue persist! Fascinating reading, and thanks for the videos keep up the good work! 👍
i actually forge weld with barbecue lump charcoal, simply beacause coal's price has exploded with the war in ukraine... And i mean people have always been forging with coal since the iron age, it just works pretty damn well.
Well I give up, I downloaded the Transactions: Volumes 42-43 and I can't find the articles the pages mentioned are for a "Method of Painting With Colour" and the book pages only go to the high 300's
@@almeyer405 I,m sorry I just followed the link Google books opened and I clicked read and it opened to the correct page I am not sure what is going wrong I am sorry.
Hi again I am interested in more of this experiment based on the 1824 document. My understanding is that Damascus Steel is stronger, robust and rust resistant(?) than non-folded steel and was the main reason why it was used for bladed weapons...the reson why I am saying is I remember talking mates of mine when I was n the NZ Army about best knives to have and Damascus Steel was mentioned as being the best material, there assertions by some manufacturors that their knives were made out of Damascus Steel but since I have been following various blacksmithing channels I think this assertion was just marketing b*******t...the pattern is very interesting cool
Of all the forgets I watch I like your work the best. What do I have to do to get a Damascus Bowie knife from you. I am of First Nation ancestry and am a self taught West Coast artist of the Heiltsuk and Nu7lhalk Nations. Could we perhaps do a trade? If so where would I send a piece to you?
I always love watching outside the box experimenting, everyone is doing the same thing now days in one way or the other. Only way to get the edge is trying different things and maybe one day you will discover your own secrets. Much love forge on buddy.
Hi Richard for now I will be joining Yamez on Sunday morning's when I can. I'm not sure what the future holds for me and live streams I will let you know if that changes. Thank you so much for all of your support.Take care and be safe..
Could you try to do e bend/break test on a peace of it, to se if it is as bad a qualituy as the dreaded "eBay damascus"? 17min in this video is an excample of a eBay blade break and separate in the layers: th-cam.com/video/UeeE9DyI52w/w-d-xo.html And here is an excample of how i suspect the eBay damascus is made 😉 th-cam.com/video/lPdzofs1qhs/w-d-xo.html
@@BIGDOGFORGE ..are they talking about Pine and other soft woods?? i do a couple of barrels a year. not good for BBQ but man it,ll get the forge going...
Super awesome!! Love these dirty experiments!!!!
Thank you so much. and thanks for watching..
I learn something new with every one of your videos. Thank you.
Thanks Jim.
Beautiful Tim thanks for sharing!
Thanks and thanks for watching..
Scrappy sure made a cast iron meds out of that forge weld hehehe. Dramatic indeed.
Interesting process and a good result. Thanks Tim.
Grate Experiment Tim really like developing the unknown .
And the pattern is looking very nice .
Dude thanks for the tip forge welded a bunch of rusty band saw blades and the pattern showed beautifully, thanks for what you do man keep rockin
Thanks for watching Kevin..
Thanks for your continuing experiments! Found an old barrel hoop in my pasture, will try it!
That's pretty cool Tim! Thanks for a great video! God Bless you sir!
Thanks, you too!
That is just amazing sir. The effect you acquired is beautiful. That opens up many avenues in making decretive projects without having he need to use expensive materials. As always Tim well done sir!
Thank you kindly
Beautiful pattern. And what a great experiment. That would make a great blade
Thanks Neil and thanks for watching.
@@BIGDOGFORGE my pleasure Tim. I always enjoy your content. No matter how large or small the project. It's always very helpful and informative. Love learning from you
All right! Another video from one of my favorite blacksmiths.
Thank you so much for watching..
I made bricks for my forge out of high temp cas-o-lite a year and a half ago. Still going strong. Love this series.
Thanks and thanks for watching.
Tim . That really looks awesome. Thanks so much for hard work you put into making these videos.. very informative
My pleasure!
It was nice to see you this sunday nice job sir!!!
Thank you so much.
That pattern looks like a burl wood Damascus👍👍👍
Thanks for doing this testing. I am a woodturner, and learning smithing. This has great potential for decorative accent pieces. especially if I can bring out some awesome temper colors. Structural integrity is not as critical as would be in a knife, as long as it does not delaminate. Instead of burlwood accent, I could make some of this!
Really like the fire works show in the beginning made for good video! Interesting patterns Damascus!
Gorgeous patterns in that billet
That was great, I have a bunch of barrel strap maybe I'll do something fancy with it.
Awesome job Tim!! Wayne
Thanks for watching Wayne.
Your experiment came out Great ! Cool Pattern as well !
Heck yeah that'll make an interesting blade, never would have thought that mild steel would make a pattern like that.
Tim you never fail at delivering amazing mind blowing content. I'm following this intently as I'm loving the chemistry that is going on in the process. LP&CG
Really cool experimentation you are doing Tim! You're right that billet has quite a bit of contrast. A lot more than I thought it would. Can't wait for the next video.
Thanks for watching.
Awesome informative Video experience 👏 Y'alls
Thanks for watching!
Got a few experiments in mind. Need to go read this document.
Beautiful work Tim. The demascus pattern is absolutely what we are looking for. Keep up the great work. Have a wonderful day.
Great work Tim. Can't wait for the San Mai blade.
Very nice. It's interesting that there are several things going on within the billet with the rust, iron, and borax. You may be converting the rust back to iron during the process.
Great work Tim, interesting pattern, the twist gives it the added dimension.
Thanks for watching Liam.
That looked amazing Tim can't wait to see what 5 days does to it!
Well that was an interesting read. Thanks for the link Tim!
Thanks for watching Sully.
Read thru document interesting how they figured out how to make a form of damascus. Trying to copy so to speak. May try and have a go at it myself sometime.
Adding the cast iron powder is an interesting idea. As cast iron melts at a lower temperature than steel, it should act as a "glue" between the mild steel (assuming it didn't all get squirted out during the pressing/hammering). And a good percentage of carbon should dissolve into the steel. I will be very interested to see how this billet performs.
Once again a great video, very informative and enjoyable to watch. Your ability to create and edit the video matches your creative abilities in the workshop, my compliments to you Tim.
Thank you so much for the kind words thanks for watching my friend and take care.
Epic, Tim!
Thanks man. and thanks for watching.
Keep me in mind to make a knife out of some of this. Great video Tim
Will do Paul I owe you one anyway. thanks for watching my friend..
Lookin good bud. Your posts are never long enough Tim. LOL. All I need to get is a quick break for all the necessities and I am good to go eh, LOL.
I always love watching your videos
Thanks
beautiful pattern, it looks like a slab of polished marble
Great video Tim
Cool project. Looking pretty good. I didn’t expect such a good pattern.
Me to Thanks for watching
Thumbs up Timmy! :) I'm curious to see if mustard had any influence. with copper you can create beautiful patina with mustard. Take care and stay safe mate! Greetz from Germany...……. Jürgen
I will check it out thanks for the idea and thanks for watching.
That turned out to be an absolutely beautiful billet I hope to be able to make something like that soon and I wish I had to phyilities to make it into a knife for u and great job Tim
Thanks for watching Chewy.
I truly appreciate and enjoy your videos
Also curious what the Dominant blade of the time was. It would be cool to duplicate that with this piece of steel.
I like the way you think. thanks for watching.
Another great video! Very informative.
I love the pattern that came out. I would love to a knife made ou if that.
It's looking really good. I'd love a drop point Bowie made like that.
the gold standard for ready-made charcoal is Royal oak charcoal you still need to break it down however it can easily be used in place of coal. there are also several ways of making charcoal available on the internet.
Really cool project! That pattern is beautiful. As for fuel, I have had good success with Royal Oak hardwood charcoal in my coal forge. You may need to add a fore brick to the sides of the firepot to make it deeper. I started making some charcoal, but my retort needs to be rebuilt.
Cool thanks.
Awesome as usual
Nice looking pattern =)
Pretty cool. I like using a mix of borax and steel powder I tried mild steel and 1085,1095 powder they all work. I used the mild steel with 1075 and it did make a pretty nice pattern not real dramatic but there is a simple pattern. Awesome learning experiment It always seems like when u try something like that is works fine then when you try it again it fails. Oh well. It all good thx TIM. say hi to big girl .... Paul
Will do Paul and Thanks for watching.
Interesting!
What an interesting idea! So from what I know of the process:
1. If you want to create a less oxidative environment, then put a large pipe of sorts into your forge and then place your pieces into it so that it acts as a shield from the direct flame. In this case it would also isolate you ballot from the ceramic goo!
2. This is a variation of creating “shear steel”. It relies on the idea of carbon migration, which takes time to accomplish. You can increase the carbon content by either placing the pre-welded bands or you consolidated billet into sealed container and let it soak in high (red/orange) heat for many hours. Depending on the effect that you’re looking for you can either leave the canister empty or pack it with a carbon rich substance like charcoal.
3. The variation in contrast was created by a mixture of the cast iron and surface hardened steel bands. If you left it long enough in the fire the carbon would migrate further which would decrease the contrast by equalizing the carbon content.
4. The Indian workmen might not have understood the concept of creating “coke” from coal. If you do not convert the coal it will be pact with Sulphur and Phosphorus which will contaminate the welds and steel. In addition, coke burns hotter than coal or charcoal. Soft wood charcoal might burn hotter than hard wood which would allow better welding conditions.
Great video like always! ;)
Thanks for the info very cool and thanks for watching
This could be a new flux, I like this a lot.
Nice technique
nice wirk as always tim 😁👍
Thank you! Cheers! Take care and be safe.
Do not buy firebricks at Home Depot or Lowe’s as the cost 3x what you can get them for at a mason supplier. HD sells a package of 6 bricks for about $28 ($4.70 each) whereas my local construction supplier sells them individually for $1.50!
Thanks for the info and thanks for watching.
Really appreciate your work. I'm learning! So any information thinking outside the box is great!
I wish you were closer! I can get a ton of coal for $100. Not promising anything but when this virus nightmare is over? I'll check with a couple of guys who ship coal by rail and barge. They move staggering amount of coal around the country and the world. It will be my gift for watching your work.
Your to kind thanks for watching take care and be safe
Woo! Tim is back!
It was nice to see you this morning at church. You are a voice of wisdom. I also melted a fire brick in my forge the day I got it. That is a remarkable contrast. All mild steel the the black parts must be the rust and ground cast. That is quite the trick to invent all that many years ago.... Thank you for this. Great experiments make for great invention and understanding... TTYL....
Thanks Ken For all your support, and thanks for watching.
Very cool brother! Great work 👏
Thanks 👍
That's very interesting! Could you do a spark test comparison between the original mild steel and the rusty damascus, just to see if any carbon from the cast iron got stuck in there?
Great suggestion! Will Do
Tim my man how you doing brother :-)
Very well my friend its good to see you. I hope all is going well for you.
Crazy the pattern, kinda the same with cable Damascus where is the contrast coming from. Awesome pattern for sure.
Great vid tim i have a question for ya what about a ceramic tile for the floor of the forg oh and thanks for what you said on sunday meating about me thank you
I have tried ceramic and it just melts like the brick. but ive got some new fire brick on the way. thanks for watching.
Tim
If you sandwich a piece of hard steel in between the two half, would that give you a edge holding flexible knife?thanks
Bob, enjoy your efforts
Absolutely will thanks for watching.
rwseemore1 That is called San Mai: Hard high carbon steel is sandwiched between two layers of tough lower carbon steel.
See also Ni Mai blade.
@@BIGDOGFORGE tim, why will will my pocket knife never keep an edge? On forged in fire they beat the heck out of a blade and some never chip or dull. Could you take a pocket knife and replace the blade with one that won't chip or dull? That would make a great program.
Regards,
Bob
I would like to see you harden that thing.. very surprised to see that pattern
Good idea thanks.
I have about 50-75lbs of an old homemade welders core, about 1"-1 1/2" wide strips, some are about 2 1/2' long, stacked about 8" thick, I would like to make some pattern welded out of it, these strips are seriously thin, how thick should I stack them so they can heat up in the core without burning up the skin? Or would sandwiching them between some thicker material be a better way? And I don't have a power hammer or a press. So it will all be done by hand.
just had the same thing happen to my forge floor. I was kinda shocked. One question where would one get those barrel bands? As always Tim Thank you for your time and sharing your knowledge.
Found some in a junk yard.
Thanks for watching.
Looks great Tim 👍 would you be willing to sell some of that material? I’ve been learning to forge blades from different kinds of known steel but haven’t had good luck with forging damascus ...I get too many delams lol I know practice will be the only way to learn
Let me get a little further with the experiment and I"ll let you know. Thanks for watching..
The page numbers in the document bring me to a piece on preparing an etching ground for copper plate. I don't see any correlation between that and this video.
Anyone got a link that works?
The Link In The Video Should Work Now. Thanks for letting me know.
Just incase this link should work as well, it will take you to page #105 then scroll down. Thanks for watching..
play.google.com/books/reader?id=-vU5AQAAIAAJ&hl=en&pg=GBS.RA3-PA105
@@BIGDOGFORGE My apologies Tim, the issue was a problem with the cookies settings on my phone's web browser which I was able to fix.
So thank you otherwise I might have had this issue persist!
Fascinating reading, and thanks for the videos keep up the good work! 👍
i actually forge weld with barbecue lump charcoal, simply beacause coal's price has exploded with the war in ukraine... And i mean people have always been forging with coal since the iron age, it just works pretty damn well.
Do I see a charcoal retort build in the future?
Maby
near the end is what steel layer in the middle so you
That's a beautiful billet but will it harden and temper?
We will find out. Thanks for watching.
Well I give up, I downloaded the Transactions: Volumes 42-43 and I can't find the articles the pages mentioned are for a "Method of Painting With Colour" and the book pages only go to the high 300's
Look at page 513 thanks for watching
@@BIGDOGFORGE Page 513 is about asphaltum for etching and 514 is about "Method of Painting With Colour"
@@almeyer405 I,m sorry I just followed the link Google books opened and I clicked read and it opened to the correct page I am not sure what is going wrong I am sorry.
🙋⚒️🆗🆙😲💯💪👍🌻🙋
Hi again I am interested in more of this experiment based on the 1824 document. My understanding is that Damascus Steel is stronger, robust and rust resistant(?) than non-folded steel and was the main reason why it was used for bladed weapons...the reson why I am saying is I remember talking mates of mine when I was n the NZ Army about best knives to have and Damascus Steel was mentioned as being the best material, there assertions by some manufacturors that their knives were made out of Damascus Steel but since I have been following various blacksmithing channels I think this assertion was just marketing b*******t...the pattern is very interesting cool
Thanks for watching.
Of all the forgets I watch I like your work the best. What do I have to do to get a Damascus Bowie knife from you. I am of First Nation ancestry and am a self taught West Coast artist of the Heiltsuk and Nu7lhalk Nations. Could we perhaps do a trade? If so where would I send a piece to you?
Why not forge it to octagon, or round, and then twist it?
It would have been a better choice, that's what I did in the original dirty damascus video. Thanks for watching Kaitlyn.
Dang dude I’ve got a car I’m painting could use some one that can sand like you hahahahha just picking
Did u do a hardness test on that steel
Not yet next video
@@BIGDOGFORGEwill be interesting so see if it will harden more than mild steel
I always love watching outside the box experimenting, everyone is doing the same thing now days in one way or the other. Only way to get the edge is trying different things and maybe one day you will discover your own secrets. Much love forge on buddy.
Thank you for the kind words and thanks for watching.
hey tim! when are you coming back to sunday mornings?
Hi Richard for now I will be joining Yamez on Sunday morning's when I can. I'm not sure what the future holds for me and live streams I will let you know if that changes. Thank you so much for all of your support.Take care and be safe..
BIG DOG FORGE dont get me wrong, tim. i like yamez! he’s an artist with the hammer and forge! BUT YOU ARE MISSED, on sunday mornings! ❤️❤️❤️
Do you need some coal? I happen to work at a coal mine in Wyoming, maybe we could work out a meeting point and get you a pickup load or so..
I may be traveling through your neck of the woods soon can you get me a price and type of cole. Thanks and thanks for watching
Could you try to do e bend/break test on a peace of it, to se if it is as bad a qualituy as the dreaded "eBay damascus"?
17min in this video is an excample of a eBay blade break and separate in the layers: th-cam.com/video/UeeE9DyI52w/w-d-xo.html
And here is an excample of how i suspect the eBay damascus is made 😉 th-cam.com/video/lPdzofs1qhs/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the info and I will do a series of tests in the next video I will add this to the list.Thanks for watching.
But if you go to any big box store you can buy charcoal fairly cheap not cold charcoal
The question is, Is it made from lite wood ? as in the document, I've only been able to find it made from oak
@@BIGDOGFORGE ..are they talking about Pine and other soft woods?? i do a couple of barrels a year. not good for BBQ but man it,ll get the forge going...
@@y-notforge8913 I believe so. maybe I need to make some. thanks for the input, and thanks for watching.
Do you sell knives?
Sorry I am not currently. But thanks for watching.
Do you need my address??....I can make a bad ass fighter or Bowie with it 🤷🏻♂️
After all the experiments are over I'll Send you something..
BIG DOG FORGE
Ooh ooh .....that would be cool 😎