Elegoo Saturn: Affordable 4k MSLA 3D Printer
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In this video we are taking a look at Elegoos new MSLA 3D printer, the Saturn. I am showing how to set it up and how to use it somewhat successfully. I am also taking apart a beta version of the printer to show a few of the internal details that make this product special. At the end I am showing some printed results to demonstrate the machines capabilities in geometric accuracy and small feature size.
00:00 Intro
02:00 Setup
05:25 Mech test & internals
08:44 Print results
12:20 Small threads
14:25 Conclusion - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
My girlfriend never understood why sometimes I'm laughing my ass off watching your videos.
Well... its really a lot of insider jokes
flesh forge ...
the humor is the best
It's all in the tone
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"dehydrated or healthy pee color"
I lost it completely XD
Same!
When marco reps uploads i know that day is a good day
I have viewed many 3D printing channels and this channel is easily the best I have come across so far. He stays on point, reviews the technicalities, gives up-to-date considerations, and tops it off with just a bit of humor.
Only a German uploads a video on Monday's morning, 8 AM sharp 🤔
@Puvendran Pillay a german joke is no laughing matter
@@reps
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@@reps trust me there are lots of jokes about germans but German jokes
No.. a real German will start at 7:55. the English on the dot and the French.. about 2.00pm.. PS.don't flame me.. it was a comment from a lecturer years ago.. The French in attendance laughed the most.. but then said 'more like 3.00pm'
@@reps Oh for the love of god, that is funny as shit. Like Norwegian humor and other myths! Thanks!!!
Putting the toilet role in the box is really priceless!
Man there is no other youtubers out there with such a deep knowledge and passion for high precision that also has an amazing production quality and amazing humor. Marco you're a diamond in the rough
I'm sorry if I gave you too much pain to print that part! But I knew you would not cease until the challenge was overcome! Hugs from Vini :)
I want you!
To read the German bedtime stories, the disturbing ones.
Please
"the disturbing ones."
That would be all of them
@@matsv201 exactly!
S O L D O U T
I want one real bad...
"The 2nd batch sales haven't started yet, it will launch on 6/13 14:00 UTC"
Read the Webpage maybe?
I marked my calendar to remind me June 13.
I’m thinking a Mars would suite my needs just fine, but thinking of getting a saturn in case my needs change in the future.
Just not sure if it’s actually worth the extra $150 to me personally.
I need to do more research.
@@uspockdad6429 I'd spend the extra 150, but that's just me. You won't find another resin printer at this size for under 1k.
Mr. Yuck Yeah, I think I’m leaning that way. I just hope I get online in time to get an order in.
@@uspockdad6429 I hope you got one today, I ordered one!
Thank you for the excellent review. It was by far more technical and informative than the other Saturn reviews I've seen. I've only been resin printing for less than two months with a QIDI Shadow and while I knew I'd like the much higher resolution compared to FDM printers, I was completely blown away by the strength of the resin prints. I designed a small electrical insulator that requires high tensile strength. The central shaft is 6mm x 6mm and I wasn't able to break it with 100 kg tensile force, and that was perpendicular to the layers, so MSLA parts don't have layer separation failures as FDM parts do. Very good strength for a 1.55 gram part. I used Siraya Fast resin. I look forward to buying the Elegoo Saturn.
2 videos in a week? Marco you are spoiling us 😳
I had my doubts about elegoo, but now I'm getting this ASAP.
Love your humor Marco. You make me laugh often. I'm a huge elegoo mars fan so I'll be upgrading soon!
These voxels its structures are so gorgeous and awesome under the microscope.
*Real life Voxels* , now I -want- need them urgently. 😍
Reps and Doug demuro are the only people I have notifications on for. Big fan!
I have been waiting for a good review of this. Thank you!
Amazing editing a quite informative. Thanks for sharing!
Delicious review! I was thinking about buying one, I definitely made up my mind and I'm buying one with the link provided, thanks!! Keep the videos going!!! 🤟
Oh cool a update.
It's £300 that's super cheap, I was expecting it to be somewhere in the £1200 region.
Goes to show just how obscene those other mid-size 2k printers were. I always said they were absolute gargantuan rip offs.
You did have to pay shipping though, which thanks to 1 of their screwups was only $100 no matter where you lived. ( EU was supposed to be $150. ) All taxes, even VAT, were covered.
$300 not £. (£236.51) It was only for the first 200 sold. Then $400 for the next 800. When it comes to the market. Some rep said it would be around $550.
@@littleweaselboy2865 trust me, you still wouldn't have got one. The early bird $300 units were gone in about 2s and the other 800 were gone in about 1 min.
I can’t remember the last time anyone made me smile you are a legend big ups
Oh nice another video :D
BTW I watched the video about your constant current 40A driver on the weekend, and I think it would be nice to have more videos of your projects like this, maybe more in depth.
YOOOOOOOO I literally JUST clicked someone else's video going "huh I don't remember the saturn, only the mars" and then your notification popped up!!
The quality for price out of this printer is miraculous. I love the simplicity of the design. It makes me wonder how it took so long for someone to come up with the idea.
Loved the engineering explanations, thank you!
Wow! Pretty impressive printer! 😮
Great review, dude! Nicely done!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I thought that last emoji was to say "Don't dip your fingers in an active ultrasonic-bath at 9:07 "
Waw, awesome video about an amazing product. Very well explained !
I would love to see more of this printer!
Great jokes ✔️
Technical knowledge and explanations ✔️
This is how a 3D printer review should be done :) first video I watch here and subscribed.
Printer looking great
Thanks for sharing 👍😀
Ty for this, gonna try to get this.
Excellent technical review
ok, i have the saturn now, all because of you.
3D Printing finally again!!!
great video
stay safe!!
and show your face again
Greatings Robin
Excellent review, like your style pal, liked and subbed :)
Those threads got me exited.
wow. i dont follow this area, and the print quality is pretty incredible, and the detail you go into about it also.
Lol. Watching this in school.
School is important.
But new Marco reps video is more interesting. :D
That door pretending to break glass just cracked me up. Damnit.
Great vid Marco ;)
this guy deserves more subs!
I think you stil have those high voltage capacitor and that nd yag laser cavity with the rod
I would like to see an nd yag pulsed laser or even an cw or a 2024nm for breaking glass
Thanks for the info..👍
That's great results with the threads, i've had trouble using FDM machines for small threads so this is great!
He’s alive!
I love the Sawblade under the Table :D
gotta keep that thing from rocking somehow :)
DLP printers have been around for quite a while. The Anycubic Photon was one of the first commercial ones.
Had a great fun watching this review, thanks! What resins you used in it?
6:22
You can put the spring an the other side of the motor to avoid load driven positioning.
...unless the rotor rubs the inside of the endcap.
...or the other end is not machined to accommodate the *wave washer. (not called spring)
*removes a thing that is unnecessary* => Innovation
*Apple wants to know your location*
Innovation is not really the right word, but they finally found a monochrome display in high resolution! Or someone now makes them specifically for MSLA printers.
Elon Musk: Best part is no part.
You'd be surprised how true this is.
Duobond is making the LCDs. And yes, they specifically advertise them for 3D printing. A 5K 10.1" LCD is announced already. 6" goes into smaller printers (Photon Mono for example).
The first mod I did with my Elegoo Mars Pro was to add a male to female six foot extension cable from inside the machine to my desk for easier thumb drive port access.
I like Marco's Jamaican/Bangladeshi accent.. and his comments are funny as hell..
Snapping off that front panel was a pretty telling demo.
The hydrated/dehydrated pee colour absolutely killed me
Omg new marco.
People complaining about it being sold out right now: the Mars is still a pretty good printer, at 229 EUR with tax and shipping from Amazon, thus a very good value proposition. Anyway, the Saturn will become available again soon, maybe at an even lower price point, and afterwards, there'll be a "Jupiter" with a 5K LCD and an even larger build volume or something like that. People need to be patient.
This is amazing value for money and truly a great device. Love it. Thank you Marko for this video finally something we can afford for ourselves!!
Indeed these SLA technology are still improving. So I wonder what the real limitations will be for this material? For example is the resin going to always be more expensive than PLA or ABS, therefore finally limiting the size? Or is the UV curing properies of SLA part going to eventually make these prints brittle under long term sunlight, making them not suitable for outdoor usage? Or does it just get stronger with the excessive UV exposure ?
Personally i feel SLA is such a great choice. And really like it. However the other options I am seeing are strenghtened filaments such as carbonfil TM which is a conventional plastic filament reinforced with 20% carbon fibres. I believe there is also a GRP version, plus one other carbon fibre printer (which is more like a true carbon fibre).
Anyway... also very pleased to see the great thick rigid aluminium construction... on a conventional lower cost 3d printer. You almost never see this on a $300 printer! At least not to my knowledge. Really hope they keep that design going forwards in future models. And do not cheap out there. Perhaps if we can also see more rigid designs on the regular 3d printers too at a similar price point? Would that even be possible given the extra 2 axis? Perhaps not IDK... Otherwise maybe on some budget cnc router instead.
What a great topic. Not very often but I am really impressed with the strength of the technology in this case (i mean for going into a realistic consumer product). Well done to those guys.
Yeah it gets brittle with post-cure exposure. But maybe some progress can be achieved in this regard.
And yes it's never going to be as cheap as FDM materials, especially cost optimised ones reused from other industries such as HIPS.
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It must be nice too have two of them when the rest of us can not even get 1. I was on the site at the second the pre sail started hit the buy button as I had everything set up and SOLD OUT was all I got. Maybe one day.
Damn already sold out. this would be a steal for 300USD. I love the monochromatic lcd (like the Phrozen ) combined with this build volume.
The profit is in the resin they sell.
Yeah when he said “affordable” I figured like $1000 or something, but at $300 I could actually see myself buying as long as the resin cost makes sense for the projects I would want to make.
@@Okurka. Actually off of the base price they will be making quite the profit as well. The early-bird $300 was likely close to cost.
@@Okurka. Maybe, but elegoo also sells the cheapest resins on the market (at least here in canada, there's is the cheapest resin in every category it fills)
It's 400 now
The printed threaded block blew my mind. Almost impossible to achieve with FDM
Amen, can't wait for my first large 4K chromatic MSLA printer!
How well does resin printed parts work with heated metal threaded inserts? I've yet to find anyone even attempting to do this. Will the resin plastic deform and fail the attempt. Will it outgas a deadly plume of nauseous gas? Will the typical resin even work? Are there any resins develped yet for this type of application? Any answers to these questions will be greatly appreciated. Of those doing reviews, I think Marco Reps might be the only one able to address these questions. TIA.
@@jamesmiller7278 UV resin isn't a thermoplastic so all that will happen is it will eventually burn if you try to use a heat insert. However, you can use epoxy to good effect. On the printed part it should have some internal knurling or ridges where the insert goes for the epoxy to grip and since the insert is already knurled on the outside it should work pretty well.
The chess castle piece was intended for FDM 3D printers. They just can not produce good results without using a small nozzle (.2mm), aggressive and precise active cooling as well as an extruder that can retract the same length of plastic without grinding it up with the small amount of printing per island and retracting to avoid stringing.
My Elegoo Mars was shipped with z rail not perfectly perpendicular to the screen and I didn't want to remove the whole thing to correct that. So, my quick fix was laying a long tape under on edge of the vat and the printed result was perfect.
Coffee time delight!
Elegoo Jupiter gona be amazing
Looks real neat! I’ve always been interested in SLA printers as opposed to FDM. I assumed you wouldn’t need something as beefy as an FPGA to drive the LCD, since you don’t exactly need a fast refresh rate. 4k is about 10Mpixels, which at 8-bit greyscale is 80Mb. With refreshes every few seconds, I guess that’s somewhat fast compared to what an MCU can handle, but any modern graphics card, integrated or otherwise, should be able to handle that kind of throughput. And with all the used GPUs flooding the market after the crypto boom, it would be nice to see an SLAM printer use one of those.
Or you know, just plug the printer into HDMI and have software on your computer do the heavy lifting. That way you’d just use a standard LCD driver.
Is it possible to do two-pass printing with two colour resins with these? I am thinking of double-shot keycaps for mechanical keyboards and the ability to make one-offs with custom legends and colour combinations.
Ahhhh, the 21st Century duct tape is the hot glue.
I was using it in the eighties, especially good for holding fibreglass core materials like closed cell foams.
@@metricstormtrooper So was I but not until this century has it been the go to for everything.
I've resisted going the resin route with 3d printing due to the mess. I am messy enough without adding more. I love the results of the resin printers though!
low odor, water washables are out, and work well.
Oh no way, i just spent £300 on a Nova3D Elfin yesterday, now i want this one !
You jive turkey! These basically sold out in 5min. You already had it before release.
It definitely seems like a valuable addition.
I really like your humor. 👍😁
Btw: Do you know if they have a resin, which ends up being kind of flexible, so you will be able to print a high precision Dynamic Drive?
Earlybird was $300 + 100 for shipping, preorder was $400 + shipping. Still sold out immedietly on the 6th. will wait for it to get an amazon listing...
you should make a video about your experience in orienting the models for sla print and your best settings for supports. there are many people that are printing functional pieces (as you have shown the wone for your friend) and it would be nice to have also your opinion. thx
3:02 you might have already heard this, but Uncle Jessy had the exact same issue with his early Saturn.
Sold out :)
Really nice video, like always from Marco. I wonder what will be the price of Saturn, when it is available... Any clues?
if you have two rooks, you can join them by their crenellations. they should mesh exactly, which i think is intended as a low budget tolerance test. maybe that's the "torture"? alternatively, once joined, you can torque them against each other until failure, which seems more like "torture" perhaps.
surely the retail units also have the connectors hotglued
there's no doubt about it in my mind ^^
I'm wondering if they make usage the subpixels of that LCD. As they are rectangular it would only increase the resolution in one direction but this still by 3 times. They also could be used for anti-aliasing, too (like already in normal applications).
So, when will show up the 8K version anyway? ;)
great video!
are you using IPA in your ultrasonic cleaner? i suggest using washing detergant (ganz normales flüssigwaschmittel für die Waschmaschine) with water. with IPA you get this milky finish. also with washing detergant, removing support seems a bit easier. give it a try!
You should build a lid-mover so you never have to touch it.
Then you don't have to have the shrink wrapped look.
Or, you could have it clear wrapped by the people who do vinyl wraps for cars.
It would take them seconds and cost next to nothing because they do cars day in, day out.
Not as cool as an automatic lid lifter but considerably more practical just have it re-wrapped every year.
Nice to see this space is still moving; decent rails becoming the norm, and now mono lcds too. Was a little tilted by the XY calibration though. 0.15 out of 20 is almost 1%, or about 3 pixels. Is that intrinsic to the lcd manufacturing process, and so could be calibrated out? Or is this the nonuniformity of the lighting, so perhaps can be fiddled with by part placement but is mostly unavoidable? Also while chitu and most fileformats support AA, many boards and firmware dont bother implementing it last time I checked (januari this year). Seems like this is no exception, and elegoo has a history of being behind the curve here.
Hi! Can you share the settings of the new "rook profile", I want to compare it to the settings used in the cbddlp file that comes in the mars flash drive, specially the lifting speed, since you mentioned that 70mm/min is brutal, but the rook in the mars prints at 300mm/min and also my prints since it's what I've been using
Since it's a 500 dpi screen would it be possible to print and expose pcb with it?
dam I am supposed to be receiving my longer 30 later today might just it return it right away for this on when its available its sold out quick. this one had a larger print area and a higher resolution screen but the longer says in can print at an xy accuracy of .047 with only 2k screen not sure how that is even possible. if someone knows please reply
your english is great, and so is your video
Q: why are we using a single monolithic image plane?
A small image plane, moving under the vat, could make a 'mosaic' exposure.
The same tech would allow smaller models to have much finer detail.
A good, fast 2k image plane is mounted on a simple 'coreXY' gantry under the vat.
A 3 x 5 mosaic of exposures could give you 11,460 x 10,800 pixels in the print.
This assumes a 3840 x 2160 image plane.
If you want ultra-fine detail, stack a bunch of 'half-tone' images.
Each image uses tiny 'micro pixels' with lots of 'white space' between them.
Each new image is shifted by one micro pixel.
This goes on until all the white space is filled.
You get a smaller model, but with the same pixel-count as the much larger one!
Isn't that the dream?
Smaller model = finer point size?
Very cool
Impressive
Hi, i have a problem with my Saturn and i think is laser underpowered. Do you know how i can empower it?
Hey Marco,
Do you use water or alcohol, out something different in your ultrasonic cleaner?
Love your videos by the way.
Sold out by the time I saw this. Bummer!
Was wondering if I should get an ender 3 over an elegoo Mars for the bigger print area. I guess this solves that
whats the "micro mirror dlp" you were talkinh about at the beginning?
It will be the Elegoo Jupiter, of course if we stick with the planet theme. Personally, I think the Saturn should have been the Venus or Neptune to allow for a few more skus. But we need higher DPI screens for those larger 13in+ machines.
I personally would like to see “slit” printers where you can count on the waveform. 😂😂😂🤓🍀🤜🏼🤛🏼
If they "just removed" the colour filter, can they use the subpixels for additional resolution?
I'm only 1/4 German, but your dry freaking banter makes my eyes water trying not to laugh outloud at work. Fortunately a mouse click and some Wim Hof breathing allows me to continue. I don't mean to be racist, but you my GN.
My Mars comes in friday, what you think of my rad idea... copper clad board on the plate, print a couple of layers on the pcb, and etch that bad boy.
Starting my own channel, so if you love this and made a vid out of it, you owe me a shout out (once I have some vids available).
Marco, great video as always! What do you mean at 7:27 when you say "the 100% correct way would be to squeeze them sideways as well with bolts on needle bearings"? Is there somewhere I can see an example of this?
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@@reps Thanks for taking the time to show me!