New Low Frequency Ultralow Noise Preamplifier: LFLNA-80

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    00:00 Intro
    00:53 Specs
    02:22 Bode plot
    04:14 Dielectric absorption
    05:42 Fluke 731B test
    06:37 Battery charging
    07:02 Teardown
    07:55 DC Servo circuit
    08:51 Preamp circuit
    #engineering #metrology #noise
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  • @mephistoxd2627
    @mephistoxd2627 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    That's actually exactly what I need for work. I was actually considering building a slightly modified clone of your version, but at 300 CHF this device seems like a no brainer. Lets hope that procurement lets me buy from a Swiss startup...

    • @prgnify
      @prgnify 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      honestly the way we Swiss love our bureaucracy, I'm willing to bet the house that they will be ready to comply with whatever paper trail your procurement requires.

  • @tylerrichard2851
    @tylerrichard2851 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    One very simple method of achieving similar fast-settling LNA performance is to split the overall gain into two stages. An ultralow noise first stage gain of about 250x is plenty to get the signal of interest well above the noise floor, but is low enough to prevent the first stage from railing due to input electrolytic leakage. If you follow that stage up with a high-pass filter, the DC offset is removed and the signal can be safely amplified further.
    I'm glad that you mentioned input voltage safety, since with such a large input electrolytic it is very easy to overload the input, even with the input clamp diodes. Many opamps don't allow more than 5mA, so either higher than desired input resistors, or JFET current limiters are required. My design uses the OPA2182, which does not have input back-to-back clamp diodes, so it can handle differential inputs up to the VDD/VSS span. I also included a series mosfet voltage limiting circuit, so the input is fully safe for hot plugging into anything up to 30V, regardless if the LNA is powered on!
    I'm on rev 2 of such a design, and have gotten a 72nVpp / 10.6nV RMS shorted input noise floor! Current consumption is only 7mA total, so it gives plenty of life from a 9V battery. If you search the eevblog metrology page for "DIY 0.1 to 10Hz Noise Amplifier", posted June 12th 2023, that's the build log of my initial design, which I will be updating with the second revision very soon!
    *The EEVblog post is updated with my Rev X2 results! 78nVp-p typical and 10.54nV RMS typical noise floor with a shorted input

  • @st3althyone
    @st3althyone 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    I feel so spoiled, so much great content from Marco. Thank you so much for giving us the best. The nerd in me is giggling with delight. 😂

  • @Maltanx
    @Maltanx 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Congratulations to Euler Precision.
    If you see an order from Italy, it might be mine!
    Edit: it is definitely mine. Just ordered!

  • @saucebosspl
    @saucebosspl 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That: okay, bye got me off guard xD

  • @McTroyd
    @McTroyd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    As an audio guy, I know exactly where that "DC Servo" moniker comes from. Glad to hear there's actually something interesting happening with it, and it wasn't solely marketing wankery.

    • @eulerprecision
      @eulerprecision 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      We are engineers through and through and despise marketing wankery too 😉. Nevertheless I must say that good engineering marketing is very nice, like it was in the past.

  • @PhG1961
    @PhG1961 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Absolutely top engineering and a very good video about this product! Great and very entertaining, as usual.

  • @jb3757
    @jb3757 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I mean that LFLNA is sweet but that MXO 4 is.... Just something else.

  • @randynovick7972
    @randynovick7972 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A return to form! Delightful, and such an interesting device. Many thanks.

  • @X-OR_
    @X-OR_ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I didn't know a Low Frequency Ultralow Noise Preamplifier could be so sexy...

  • @TheBarretNL
    @TheBarretNL 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great content, Marco! Im playing currently with rtl-sdr's so this was interesting for me as well.

  • @mdwdirect
    @mdwdirect 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I understand about 10-12% of your videos but I watch every one all the way through.

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Pretty impressive equipment indeed, Marco! 😊
    Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

    • @bismuth7730
      @bismuth7730 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Sounds like a threat.

    • @MCsCreations
      @MCsCreations 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bismuth7730 Absolutely no. "Enjoy your next 24hs", on the other hand... 🤨

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I don't fully grasp all the nuances, but I enjoy your enthusiasm for it.

  • @cashewmilkfan
    @cashewmilkfan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    it would be so cool to see a video on the fluke 731B

  • @TooMuchMiddle
    @TooMuchMiddle 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Marco, please do a teardown of the Fluke 731a!!

  • @digitalradiohacker
    @digitalradiohacker 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Impressive.
    Very nice.
    Lets see Dave Jones' teardown.

  • @nckwntzl
    @nckwntzl 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice bent tweezer, I personally use mine whenever pcb pointing is called for.

  • @squelchstuff
    @squelchstuff 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Noice!
    I see hat you did there, and what a clever design it is.

  • @supernumex
    @supernumex 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    ahahaha singular 1 "Hert" 3:44

  • @cfeigel
    @cfeigel 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You know, I used to not be concerned with all this precision stuff. Now I'm seeking out and hanging on to every ppm.

    • @yanfishtwig2356
      @yanfishtwig2356 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes its the reps effect

  • @johnwilliamson467
    @johnwilliamson467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Since there is an audio servo used the question of audio grade caps from nichicon (muse) comes to mind. Those are rather lower grade caps . The effect of voltage rating also is of interest in that application . The cost difference is small in case .

    • @zsigmondkara
      @zsigmondkara 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was probably a longevity decision. Most audio grade caps are only rated for 85oC.

    • @johnwilliamson467
      @johnwilliamson467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zsigmondkara Good point are those 125 C then the longest lasting ?

    • @zsigmondkara
      @zsigmondkara 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@johnwilliamson467 Exactly. It means they are rated to work within specifications for a given amount of time at that temperature. In the case of this amplifier 105oC caps are going to work for a much longer time at lower temperatures.

    • @johnwilliamson467
      @johnwilliamson467 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@zsigmondkara For these caps the rule of thumb is 2x per 10c work for about a 40 c range thus 120c over 85 c is aprox 16 times the life given the test I have watched.

  • @vh8413
    @vh8413 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    what is the software you use to simulate the circuit? thank you very much, as always excelsior the content of the channel. greetings

  • @JxH
    @JxH 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    3:42 "...one hert... ...one hert..." The singular of 'hertz' is still 'hertz'. 🙂!!!

  • @mikemines2931
    @mikemines2931 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice.

  • @A13tech
    @A13tech 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    AVX makes Wet tantalum capacitors with ultra low DC leakage (less than 1uA). I believe Mr. Williams used a few of them for some ultra low noise preamplifier (AN 124 July 2009).

    • @DanielHeineck
      @DanielHeineck 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      And those lovely caps are about as much as the whole preamp! :D

    • @A13tech
      @A13tech 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DanielHeineck yeah its about 60-150 euros per piece. Ive been on excursion in AVX where they make it but they didnt want to give me a samples :( I would gladly accomodate some nice 4700uF wet tantalum cap :)

  • @tolkienfan1972
    @tolkienfan1972 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is literally the first time in my 51 ( so far) life I've ever heard the term "millihertz". Crazy!

    • @pa1wbu
      @pa1wbu 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Google "HP3325 generator" if you want to play with mHz. Got one in my shack.

  • @jstro-hobbytech
    @jstro-hobbytech 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So cool.
    I wonder how the guys at welectron handle your humor. I'm in Canada a purchased a bm869s recently and they were about as helpful to me as the dolphins were to the fish population before they left earth haha

  • @MacLimitRange
    @MacLimitRange 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    8K oscilloscope. NICE

  • @guilldea
    @guilldea 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow I might actually pester my boss into buying this

  • @thevideoboy87
    @thevideoboy87 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    you can tell, by the content and quality of a video, if a man is married and has kids, or not.

  • @jeremyglover5541
    @jeremyglover5541 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder if this could be coerced into some close in phase noise measurement?

  • @ScoopexUs
    @ScoopexUs 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I personally enjoy my own naturally occurring noise sources. You have an approximate 2kHz noise source whenever unmuting your mic. This may be from test equipment active in a lab, not studio environment.

  • @ZhuraYuki
    @ZhuraYuki 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which simulation software Marco use in its videos?

  • @femboyee
    @femboyee 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Green resistors? Must be TNPW. Fine taste.

    • @eulerprecision
      @eulerprecision 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well 👍

  • @marcdraco2189
    @marcdraco2189 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    There's me expecting a huge InterFET FET - I've seen they have some running at >50 euros a piece but low noise is the name of the game there. I'll stick to the LSK389 and similar.

  • @fischX
    @fischX 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Nice relatively simple design - but my brain is still searching for a practical application 😅

    • @geemcd
      @geemcd 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Make guitar more louder obviously. Maybe? I hope!

    • @jan.tichavsky
      @jan.tichavsky 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      To measure how noisy is the DC volatge reference. The less noise it has the more exactly you can measure its voltage, nowadays possible to 7 places which is 0.1 ppm.

  • @Paltus667
    @Paltus667 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In what area is this device used? How is it applied?

  • @muhammadshahzaib3813
    @muhammadshahzaib3813 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don't understand a bit of sorcery he performs here, just come here for his soothing voice 😅

  • @johnkelly7264
    @johnkelly7264 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At 8:07, what circuit simulation software are you using please?

  • @JxH
    @JxH 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    0:30 The "BNC Polarity" is just a bit 'funny'(being an AC coupled device), but I guess they're referring to the battery charging function. Poor label layout, that BNC Polarity advice should have been printed directly adjacent to the battery charging note for it to make immediate sense.

    • @eulerprecision
      @eulerprecision 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hey, we liked your feedback and found it very valid, so we updated the design of the top sticker 👍

  • @floodo1
    @floodo1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    needs more doggo

  • @hobbified
    @hobbified 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Aw, I thought this was LF in the radio sense (30 kHz - 300 kHz), but this is ELF :)

  • @motherjoon
    @motherjoon 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Jim Williams feeling the joy in his grave

  • @twin1q
    @twin1q 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this stuff. However, I'm not a fan of the DC cancelation circuit. My approach was to build a composit LNA with minimal gain and use a very low noise SAR like the AD4630-24. I put a brick wall on the .1 to 10hz bins and ifft to get the RMS. No settling is really needed since there are no AC caps. Also, it's nice that the SAR has a little bit of over rang, so you can measure the same reference noise.

    • @ricosonderegger5857
      @ricosonderegger5857 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      With 10V Input Voltage and 24 bit resolution you will have 600nV LSB resolution. How do you want to measure 10nV or less? You need a gain of 100 or more.

  • @RambozoClown
    @RambozoClown 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    But does it have a Swiss accent?

  • @TheLomsor
    @TheLomsor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Swiss startup? Hmm, let's see where they from ... and of course, they are two villages over from where I live. 😅 Even though it's mostly villages here just at the border, for some reason this is tech central of Switzerland.

    • @eulerprecision
      @eulerprecision 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Switzerland is such a tiny country 😆

  • @OneBiOzZ
    @OneBiOzZ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    BNC charging is a bit ... silly ... however i am reminded that the end user is an idiot and would gladly keep a device like this plugged in while using it so its a nice cheap lockout mechanism

  • @lucythebrazen
    @lucythebrazen 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My TH-cam bugged out and didn't play any sound, I thought I was the victim of an elaborate shitpost, that everyone but me was on 😭

  • @ikbendusan
    @ikbendusan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ok bye

  • @BogdanO45
    @BogdanO45 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    First, yey!

  • @fraserbc
    @fraserbc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Second

  • @iLoveTheSyncButton
    @iLoveTheSyncButton 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thörd

  • @karlbesser1696
    @karlbesser1696 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ich fange erst zu staunen an, wenn der Verstärker von 10 Hz bis 10 Ghz einen Amplitudengang von +/- 0,1 dB hat und der Rauschpegel unter der Messgrenze liegt. 😂