Yeah man dickon was strong and knew how to fight, yet he had none of his father's cruelty he was nothing like Randyll. I wish he could have been alive so we could see more of his character
samin90; If Dickon was dumb enough to ignore his own father's pleas to avoid being killed, he brought about his own death with his infallible stupidity.
As terrible as it sounds Randyll’s not wrong when it comes to shit heirs and them being able to ruin a house just like a single slip can cost a hunter his life. If your house isn’t led by competent rulers then it might soon enter the history books as another example of what happens when fools, lechers, and madmen are put in charge.
this whole "bookworms suck as lords, put a soldier in charge" is the exact mindset behind the Blackfyre Rebellion. do you honestly believe the realm's better off under Daemon Blackfyre than it was Daeron the Good? Sam was weak at martial but nothing else. he would have ruled wisely and well with the right advisors around him.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 It is true that being a good warrior does always make for a good ruler. But it is equally true that being to bookish and afraid to fight can be jut as dangerous. And be honest. Do you really think that Samwell would have been able to act as lord of a great house? It would be Tytos Lannister all over again.
@@AlphaOmega804 being bookish is why i said "with the right advisors". You can suck at being a general but possess alot of generals around you to lead your men for you. Samwell stood up for himself when needed at the Wall so no he wouldnt have been another Tytos. he'd have his little brother around who'd help to make sure that doesnt happen. Tytos as a younger son was never supposed to inherit.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Having the right advisors can help. But it also carries risk. How long before those skilled advisors start to think that hey could run the region better then their incompetent and weak lord? How long before those generals start to ask, why they should not take control with their loyal army from their cowardly lord? Why would the soldiers fight for their lord who has never seen a battle instead of their general? At the end of the day if the lord is not brave or skilled in their own right. They will never hold on to power.
Yeah, but a good soldier doesn't necessarily make a good leader. Sam may have been soft and overweight, but he was tremendously smart. If Randyll was half as smart as his son, he would've accepted Sam's proposal to go serve for the maesters at the Citadel, which would've had him renounce his claim to Hornhill and given Randyll the heir he wanted with Dickon, and then when Sam earned his chain he could've brought Sam back to help manage the family's finances and such. Dickon leads House Tarly as head and Sam helps him with more technical stuff that maybe Dickon doesn't have the studying for. Easy.
Same problem as Tywin. Too focused on the house, not enough on his children. If he had, maybe Dickon wouldn't have decided to join him in defying Daenerys, and burning alive. Samwell and Tyrion are both immensely important characters that were cast aside for not being exactly what their father thought they should be. Both outlived and outshined their fathers.
R Lutin oh please Sam is one of the wisest characters in GOT and jons best friend, that dude will make hand of the king of the North in no time. Not to mentioned he was praised by stannis baratheon himself and the archmaester of the spire. I'd say he's already outshined his father
He is probably also in line to win the Seven Kingdoms's equivalent of the Nobel Prize for science after acing the "cure Grayscale" exam, 100% on his first try since Ser Jorah seems to be absolutely fine now! Even the mightiest of ancient civs needed brains and sciences in their ranks to ensure they stayed strong.
ZIGZAG! Yeah an even so same gets put down too. "You actually cured greyscale, wonderful job here's your punishment" same should have been promoted to a maester right then and there
He's starting to shine on his own now though by leaving the place he loves at Oldtown, taking his skills to what's gonna end up being a hell of a battle!
If only Randyll had a little more foresight. He could've seen and encouraged Sam's affinity for reading and sent him to the Citadel to temper the sword of his mind. When Sam earned his chain, Randyll could then pull a few strings to get his son back to Horn Hill to serve the family, the sword of his mind tempered into metaphorical Valyrian steel ready to aid his House. Sam in this scenario, having gained his father's approval of his desired vocation, would gladly serve. Happy ending for Sam and House Tarly. It's a good thing Sam ended up where he did, though, for the story's sake.
He never would have. In the books Sam brings up he actually said his father he would like to be a Maester, but Randyll said a Tarly is not a servant, no Tarly will wear chains on his watch, and if chains are what Sam wants, he can have them, then he locked Sam up in the dungeon of Horn Hill.
@Jacob Sirak because Sam was still his eldest. By tradition that meant his heir unless he dies first or takes a vow renouncing titles and holdings, of which there are only three: the Maesters, the Kingsguard (no chance Sam would have made that) or thr Night Watch. If his preferred son, Dickon, had been the elder, even Randyll might have been fine with Sam in a kinda castellan/advisory role. Managing the castle finances and such.
@@VuTran-mf7kj They explain it in the books - Sam did ask about becoming a Maester but Randyll said no Tarly will be servant on his watch and if Sam wants chains he can have them, and he chained Sam up in the dungeon of Horn Hill.
@@akaneh1989 But being in the Nights Watch is no different than being a "servant" to the realm anyway. I'm not sure why is it different from the Citadel.
This demonstrates the problem of inherited Authority. As much as I like Sam he's not a leader. Don't get me wrong, Sam has a lot to offer. He's very smart and quite the scholar. Even shows bravery at times. Sam's talents make him an excellent candidate for a maester.
Disagree that he is not a leader. Not everyone is a natural commanding presence; Sam is a thinker who is able to persuade others to join causes. That is leadership as much as Jon shows on the battlefield. Sam is the one who persuades the Brothers to vote for Jon as new Lord Commander, Sam takes it upon himself to search for info about dragonglass and other weapons to use against the Army of the Dead. Sam takes it upon himself to heal Jorah. That is leadership. A major component of leadership is taking responsibility for things and Sam does that. It's a quieter form of leadership; but, no less powerful. I think Sam will prove to be a far greater leader for his House than his father ever did, as he doesn't fall into the trap of pride and arrogance. he uses his brains for the betterment of all. People may laugh at him; but, they usually come around to his viewpoint, in the end.
@@jeffnettleton3858True a leader doesn't need a commanding presence, but they do need to be able to stand firm against people who do have a commanding presence. People with strong confident personalities and a lot of charisma will try to challenge the leader. A leader needs to be able stand up to those people. What Sam needs is to learn to overcome his fear and anxiety. He has taken steps to do that, but he still has a long way to go. It takes a lot more courage to look someone in the eye and say "no, this is what I'm doing", then it does to sneak around.
The problem with Randyll was that he was too narrow-sighted. He saw value only in being a fighter, not a thinker. He refused Sam's offer to become a maester instead of going to the Wall because he thought "being a servant" was below a Tarly. Clearly, though, that was Sam's strength, because he cured Jorah of greyscale when no one else was even willing to try.
@@jeffnettleton3858 What you describe is competence, not leadership. Sam is a mastermind, a great scholar and a loyal friend. But by no means is he a leader. A leader inspires people to follow his example and put themselves to risk for a higher cause. He can put faith into people in hopeless situations. Sam, while being very intelligent, is no such man. He would be a great right hand man to Jon, but he could never take his position as a leader.
They were also one of the most loyal of Rhaenyra’s Blacks during the Dance of the Dragons using Guerrilla warfare against the HighTowers and Peakes. I can’t wait to see the Tarlys in HOTD.
House Tarly was first and foremost a banner vassal noble house. That mean's they fight, they lead, they defend, and not much else. Honor, chivalry, strength, war, battle-tactic's, and victory are a bannerman's very way of life. If any such male heir doesn't fit this bill perfectly, well then he is considered useless. It's a very spartan way of living, and house Tarly did it very well. Many will not agree with Randyll's treatment of Sam, but to a pure-blood warrior, and born leader such an heir would be a flagrant insult.
I understand why Randall Tarly sent Sam to the Wall, instead of letting him be heir because Houses have went extinct due to shitty heirs. Look at House Targaryen and House Bolton and I'm sure other houses went extinct due to this also.
That would be true, if, and it's a huge if, there weren't other options. Ok he isn't fit to rule by his standards, understandable, a smart and actually good ruler would have found a way to still capitalise on Sam's strenghts. Sam could have been a master, it wouldn't have affected the house's reputation. Randyll's treatement to his son wasn't justified, there were other, better ways to solve this problem.
@sydnitheromantictaylor112 I wouldn't even dislike Randyll so much if he let Sam go be a maester instead of take the black. Maesterhood was Sam's calling, and would've also ensured he never became lord. But Randyll wouldn't even let Sam do that.
Fascinating how house Tarly mimics what every boy in medieval England had to do. Boys were given bows at a young age. Every Sunday, fathers and sons would practice with a longbow and when the king or lord needed archers, they had plenty to draw from.
@@cgt3704 yeah but you said they were disciplined soldiers when they were Kings... I get it if you meant they always had disciplined armies cause prussia is known for that
Interestingly, I believe his Zodiac Sign is Taurus. They have patience but can also be stubborn. His patients ran out, and I don't blame him. He's not heartless, but practical and pragmatic. Sam screwed up playing him for a fool bringing a Wildling to his very table.
@@ThatRatBastard idk Tywin may be a bad dad but he didn’t tell threaten Tyrion with murder or psychologically torment him his entire childhood. Aside from the Tysha incident Tyrion seemed to be rather free to do as he pleased and make use of the families wealth. Sam on the other hand was locked in a basement and humiliated constantly for being a coward. Tywin was distant, cold and brutal while Tarly was consistently brutal and on Sams ass constantly, eventually threatening to kill him outright.
It’s so sad that this is what happens when a child can’t live up to the standards. But, I understand why he sent Sam away. He felt he had no other choice. Dickon was every thing you’d expect in a future lord. But Samwell found his way and now he’s the lord of house Tarly, his birth right.
Maybe he felt he didn't have a choice, and maybe Randyll was just trying to preserve his house the way he thought best. But I wouldn't make him out to be this tortured soul- he not only had no remorse for abusing Sam, he actively enjoyed it. And when Sam himself proposed going to the maesters to learn, which not only suited his talents better but also would have given Randyll what he wanted anyway (for Dickon to become heir to Hornhill), he locked him in the dungeon for three days, then sent him off to the Night's Watch, which is essentially the same thing only far less suitable for Sam. Randyll was not only cruel, but you can argue his treatment of Sam is illogical and prideful.
Sam, according to the show, is now the maester at King's Landing which means he can’t be the Lord of Hornhill. His mother is the Lady Tarly, and I don’t know if he had any uncles .
@@blazingsword643 Those rules were put into place by the mad king. Bran is the new king and I do believe that Sam is or would be married to the girl( forgot her name) and the little boy could be the new future lord. Samwell Tarly never gave up his name which means he remains the only true born son of the last lord. It doesn't matter if he was denied that in the past or not. If anyone can take away someone's birth right, John Danny and Tyrion would have absolutely no weight on the story. They do( did) r.i.p Dany.
@@blazingsword643 Those would be the mad kings rules. Bran is king now. And the little boy would and could very well be samwell name sake as lord of hornhill. Who would challenge that? Samwell is the eldest. No siblings and whatever family he had left would be distant.
So many Dany supporters in the comments. She is a foreign invader and a Targeryan bunch of crazies that bunch is. Tarly should have sided with Stannis at black water the whitewalker threat would have been dealt with by season 3 or 4 instead of letting their armies grow
R Lutin and if Roose bent the knee we would have 3 of the best actors and voices in GoT and also the two best commandeers Stannis and Randyll killing WW. The wall was built to protect the WW from them haha
And stannis was a religious nut following a foreign faith, as well as a kinslayer. And she was still of westerosi origins as well as the rightful ruler. Oh and she had dragons.
If Randyll was smart, he would have ordered Dickon to stand down when he was being executed by Daenerys. Randyll was a lot of things- he was honorable (usually), he was a good fighter, and he was willing to sacrifice for the good of his house. But he was also cruel, cold, and didn't give enough credit to a good mind as much as a good sword. He saw no value in Sam because Sam wasn't a fighter, but Sam performed the only operation to cure advanced greyscale without killing Jorah or contracting it himself, something skilled maesters have failed at. Tarly would have been no match for the White Walkers, especially since he would have had no foresight to find a material that could harm them, like obsidian or Valyrian steel. If he managed to kill one using Heartsbane, he probably would have just assumed it was his own skill that did it in, not the material of the blade he swung.
What's worse is Randyll told Sam that if he didn't "Take the Black," he promised he would take him to go hunting, and he would kill him and make it look like a hunting accident. Thats how disgusted Randyll was of Sam.
If Randyll was a little smart, he should've let Samwell join the maesters. It is something he wanted to do anyways and it could've put his skills to use. Not all men are meant to be great warriors. some are meant to be the smartest minds of the world.
@@lauramorgan27 I’ve watched the show and read the books. We only know the information from Samwell’s point of view. In the books, GRRM has yet to provide the point of view of Randyll Tarly.
@@lauramorgan27 Samwell told Jon Snow what happened. You didn't hear it from Randyll. Do you actually believe he would say that in front of his wife at the dinner table at Highgarden?
The sad thing is if he just let Sam join the maesters he would get everything he wants. Sam is out of sight and out of mind, his second son becomes Lord Tarly, and his wives and daughters wouldn't be heartbroken.
I feel like sending Sam to the Citadel wouldve been a better move than dishonoring his house by sending him all the way to the wall, or threatening kinslaying... The citadel is much closer, allows Sam to do what hes good at, its just an easier and better play
Why he didn’t send him off to become a Maester I’ll never know. Samwell was perfect for one and Oldtown isn’t very far from Horn Hill. His family could visit him and him them. He might even get to be a Maester to them.
@@Primus_Phallus maesters as well as septons, kingsguard and the Night's Watch renounce their birthright when they take their vows. Oberyn just studied there and forged a chain with some links while never making vows, while Aemon, on the other hand, had vows but feared that powermongers would use him for some plots against his brother, so swlf exiled himself at the night's watch to escape such politicking. Becoming a Maester was a perfectly reasonable way for Sam to renounce his birthright, but Randyll renounced it out of spite and personal (flawed) views.
I assumed it was because his son joining the nights watch sounded more manly. Then at least he can say my son gave up his birthright to defend the wall or some bs.
@@Primus_Phallusthat's incorrect. Maesters give up their names and rights of inheritance. It was lord Tarly's pride that meant he would never accept his son being a Maester.
The actor who played Dickon was such a good young man. When Dany had him burned alive with his father, I officially hated her. He could have been an amazing heir to House Tarly, and was big and strong enough to weird Heartsbane… such a shame
If Randal learned to love his son, he would have sent him to the Citadel in Oldtown to do what he loved and study as a maester. He would be forced to renounce all titles when he got his chain, as well as the possibility of advising his house as its maester. But no, he chose to send him to the wall because he hated him too much. That was truly cruel.
Same as Tywin. A man too concerned with what people think of him to be a truly effective father or leader. A master of the skills valued by his house, but in so being, unable to acknowledge the skills honed by his progeny that may be more unconventional. And of course a man so blind by an ideal of traditional masculinity, that any son who doesnt embrace that ideal physically, 100% is scum. Tywin could never ship Tyrion to the wall without pretext, his pride wouldnt allow it.
It' wasn't just cruelty. To Randyll the Night's watch was more honorable because it was manly and involved combat, where he saw the Citadel as "weak men learning about the accomplishments of better men".
Randyll should have allowed Samwell to join the Maesters, for Samwell would cease to be a Tarly, and it would make Randyll happy. Samwell would be happy too, for he gets to be with books.
They fought for the Gardeners against aegon the conqueror They fought for the mad king against the rebellion and finally fought for Cersei against Daenerys. For a house that prides itself on being badass they have of being on the losing side.
Fighting hard and doing as well as they do against overwhelming odds is pretty badass. Winning all the time doesn't make you a badass, losing and getting back in the fight does.
Who beat Aegon & his sisters with their dragons not one in the seven kingdoms even Dorne didn’t because technically they not never fought back they just disappeared. The Tyrells dropped the ball after their siege on Storms End & in no possible was they gonna defeat the Dothraki The Unsullied & Daenerys riding her dragon not happening
Gotta give it to him sam would be an awful heir for HIS house maybe acceptable for hightower or another less militant house but tarly not a chance and from the sound of it sam didn't even attempt to do his duty and learn some sword skills so it makes sense maybe he could have sent him to the citadel but still right choice
Randyll could've sent Sam to The Citadel. I think they have the same vow as the Night's Watch and the Kingsguard. And when Sam become a maester, he can come home and serve house Tarly with his brother. Happy ending for house Tarly.
Samwell Tarly would've been hated by any father he was such a disappointment. He just failed at everything and definitely shouldn't have been heir to Hornhill.
Man RR Martin is actually a genius. Now I kind of get where he was coming from. Also, this means if Sam would have refused the black then and challenge his father he probably would have let him stay, it was a test (a messed one) also implies Randyl cried for his son. Btw this also makes his death complitely dumb since he would never allow his house to die by drogon like that for Cercei after everything he did to protect it.
I don't agree with abandoning your son. Randyll must do what he must to be a player in the Game of Thrones and serve those he bend the knee for as his ancestors did.
If i was Randyll i would have sent Sam to the Citadel instead of the wall "Oh so you look reading so much,huh? Well i'll send you somewhere where you can read all the books you want,then when you come back you can be the maester for your brother,the real heir of house Tarly" Much more reasonable line of thinking...
These are the most awesome unnecessary additions to a Blu-Ray in existence...well maybe up there. There are a few movies that Blu-Ray's/DVD's offer a totally different experience in terms of watching the movie and/or adding a ton of additional lore like this. I remember on DVD one of my favorite movies ever: Memento Special Edition, you had to know how to even get to the main menu with a test to get there lol. But you could watch it in order since the movie is normally a combination of scenes going backward in black/white and forward in color. It's one of the coolest things...I'm surprised more people haven't heard of the movie, but then again I'm not young anymore and it came out when I was ending High School in 2001. Man that was Guy Pearce's best movie for sure.
Randyll should've just sent Sam to the Maesters. Sam, despite being a Tarly, fancies books more than swords, and Randyll needs to get rid of him so that the younger, stronger son, Dickon Tarly, can inherit the family name. Sending Sam to the Maesters would've solved two problems at once.
Show portrayed him as a villain, but I mean he has some valid reason to not want Sam in his house. In that kind of world , Sam really would have led to the end of house Tarlly. In a way he actually did.
1:40 Can someone plzz explain why he said "We know our place unline Tyrell women" I haven't read the books but I would be interested to know why he said that
Randyll has as much to do with Sam's "failings" than Sam himself, if not more. We cannot underestimate nor comprehend how damaging Randall's actions to "turn Sam into a man" and his whole view and relationship with his son may have traumatised Sam for life and damaged his growth as a person irreparably. Beside that, Sam had a lot to offer as either a Maester or even a Septon, with his scholarly mind, but for a machist and toxic patriarchal figure like Randyll, that was unacceptable, for his son to have a "servile" position, despite hos weird and twisted around that whole line of thinking actually is.
*Randyll did nothing wrong.* The Sam we all know and love is a man forged by The Nights's Watch. The Sam that Jon Snow saved was the one to inherit HornHill. It would have fallen well within a decade. Dude slept in chainmail, was bathed in bull's blood, then Paraded around the castle _To shame him into valor!_ (love that line) but he never formed the responsibility that must come with the privilege/luxury he enjoyed.
Those are awful ways to teach somebody "manliness" or whatever tf. They just made Sam afraid and destroyed his confidence. Jon Snow, a 15-year-old boy, was better at teaching Sam bravery in a few weeks than his dumbass cruel father was over years. Like Jon was firm that he needed to toughen up, but he worked with him at his own pace instead of bullying him like Randyll and Allister. The idea that the only dichotomy is "soft and spoiled" or "bully and abuse into toughness" is insane to me. There's a middle ground, and that's what Samwell needed.
Why the hell then didn't he just let sam become a Maester instead? Once they complete their training and don the chain that signifies their status, they are expected to serve the realm impartially and forsake any personal ambitions or loyalties to their birth families. This includes renouncing any claims to titles, lands, or inheritances. Sending him to the wall to freeze and die is just beyond cruel...
He should have let Sam become a Master like he wanted, and eventually became. Better he could have requested Sam return and be his brother's maester. Imho
Randyll really shows how toxic masculinity and a militaristic mindset can blind you to other possibilities. It’s like seeing everything as a nail that needs hammering, and it’s the nails fault if it doesn’t go in. Lots of people are pointing out how he could have used Sam’s intellectual side and a more nuanced approach to parenting to make a worthy heir to their house but he never would have considered them; in his eyes, Sam was weak, period, and his bookishness would be useless in war as a commander and in peace as a lord because you need to be a “strong man” to make it in Westerosi nobility and if you don’t fit that mould your a failure. So he tried hammering a soldier into him and, guess what, it didn’t work. The idea that you can put timid kids thru enough hardship that they’ll eventually shape up into a “real man” is some bull-headed survival of the fittest garbage and leaves kids traumatized and shelling up whenever they are exposed to stress (you see it with Sam frequently). Sam eventually became a brave warrior after going thru a lot of hardship but only because he had a strong support system to help him get there in his brothers in the Nights Watch and Gilly.
I get the gist this isn't modern society its a fantasy medieval world where you don't get to do what you want but do your duty house tarly is military minded which is fine and makes sense they're a vassal house that is used for war so they live and breath it sam was heir to that and had a duty to forfil and from what's said he was given everything to achieve that but he didn't even attempt to he just ran away in this society and as heir to a house that is not acceptable so it is understandable why rand removed him it's harsh but right
"I want to have a strong and proud house" he says, while naming his son D!ckon xD Also a soldier doesnt make a great house, look how Robert Baratheon was a good soldier but a terrible king. A great conqueror but a bad ruler
Dick in our world is short for Richard. Dick only started being slang for penis in the 17th century. so Bronn laughing at that was stupid writing. Samwell might not have made for a good lord either. Before meeting Jon and thus toughening up a bit, sam was basically a young Tytos Lannister, whos men all laughed at him and exploited him. he was never supposed to be a lord.
I guess him and dick didnt have what it takes to be Varsity Athletes after all.....and Sam still stole HeartsBaine and all the cakes!!!....... He gave up his claim to the power of the Butterfinger
Oh no but in the show the Tarly’s support Queen Cersei, who has no claim to the throne because…because… of because Tarly is a bad guy and they needed him on the bad team.
Sam wanted to be a maester....they take vows to not marry wouldnt that be the exact same thing as giving up ur claim and if so why not just have him do that instead lol
Tarly is a soldier's house. At least at the watch sam would have been a fighter. Masters are scholars and that would have been seen as shameful to randyl
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I’m still mad at how much cooler horn hill looked than Highgarden
Sedd ikr, highgarden was the seat of the South and it looked no bigger than a minor garrison
So honourable and loyal that he turned on the Tyrells. Honestly though Dickon didn't need to die
samin90 true
Yeah man dickon was strong and knew how to fight, yet he had none of his father's cruelty he was nothing like Randyll. I wish he could have been alive so we could see more of his character
So true and honourable that he died for his oath, fighting for the Crown,
samin90; If Dickon was dumb enough to ignore his own father's pleas to avoid being killed, he brought about his own death with his infallible stupidity.
He had a choice. Keeping his oath to the crown or keepingng his oath to House Tyrell, an extinct House, the choice was simple
As terrible as it sounds Randyll’s not wrong when it comes to shit heirs and them being able to ruin a house just like a single slip can cost a hunter his life. If your house isn’t led by competent rulers then it might soon enter the history books as another example of what happens when fools, lechers, and madmen are put in charge.
this whole "bookworms suck as lords, put a soldier in charge" is the exact mindset behind the Blackfyre Rebellion. do you honestly believe the realm's better off under Daemon Blackfyre than it was Daeron the Good? Sam was weak at martial but nothing else. he would have ruled wisely and well with the right advisors around him.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 It is true that being a good warrior does always make for a good ruler. But it is equally true that being to bookish and afraid to fight can be jut as dangerous.
And be honest. Do you really think that Samwell would have been able to act as lord of a great house? It would be Tytos Lannister all over again.
@@AlphaOmega804 being bookish is why i said "with the right advisors". You can suck at being a general but possess alot of generals around you to lead your men for you.
Samwell stood up for himself when needed at the Wall so no he wouldnt have been another Tytos. he'd have his little brother around who'd help to make sure that doesnt happen. Tytos as a younger son was never supposed to inherit.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Having the right advisors can help. But it also carries risk.
How long before those skilled advisors start to think that hey could run the region better then their incompetent and weak lord?
How long before those generals start to ask, why they should not take control with their loyal army from their cowardly lord?
Why would the soldiers fight for their lord who has never seen a battle instead of their general?
At the end of the day if the lord is not brave or skilled in their own right. They will never hold on to power.
Yeah, but a good soldier doesn't necessarily make a good leader. Sam may have been soft and overweight, but he was tremendously smart. If Randyll was half as smart as his son, he would've accepted Sam's proposal to go serve for the maesters at the Citadel, which would've had him renounce his claim to Hornhill and given Randyll the heir he wanted with Dickon, and then when Sam earned his chain he could've brought Sam back to help manage the family's finances and such. Dickon leads House Tarly as head and Sam helps him with more technical stuff that maybe Dickon doesn't have the studying for. Easy.
Same problem as Tywin. Too focused on the house, not enough on his children. If he had, maybe Dickon wouldn't have decided to join him in defying Daenerys, and burning alive. Samwell and Tyrion are both immensely important characters that were cast aside for not being exactly what their father thought they should be. Both outlived and outshined their fathers.
Sam won't outshine Randyll tho
R Lutin oh please Sam is one of the wisest characters in GOT and jons best friend, that dude will make hand of the king of the North in no time. Not to mentioned he was praised by stannis baratheon himself and the archmaester of the spire. I'd say he's already outshined his father
He is probably also in line to win the Seven Kingdoms's equivalent of the Nobel Prize for science after acing the "cure Grayscale" exam, 100% on his first try since Ser Jorah seems to be absolutely fine now!
Even the mightiest of ancient civs needed brains and sciences in their ranks to ensure they stayed strong.
ZIGZAG! Yeah an even so same gets put down too. "You actually cured greyscale, wonderful job here's your punishment" same should have been promoted to a maester right then and there
He's starting to shine on his own now though by leaving the place he loves at Oldtown, taking his skills to what's gonna end up being a hell of a battle!
If only Randyll had a little more foresight. He could've seen and encouraged Sam's affinity for reading and sent him to the Citadel to temper the sword of his mind. When Sam earned his chain, Randyll could then pull a few strings to get his son back to Horn Hill to serve the family, the sword of his mind tempered into metaphorical Valyrian steel ready to aid his House. Sam in this scenario, having gained his father's approval of his desired vocation, would gladly serve. Happy ending for Sam and House Tarly. It's a good thing Sam ended up where he did, though, for the story's sake.
He never would have. In the books Sam brings up he actually said his father he would like to be a Maester, but Randyll said a Tarly is not a servant, no Tarly will wear chains on his watch, and if chains are what Sam wants, he can have them, then he locked Sam up in the dungeon of Horn Hill.
@Jacob Sirak because Sam was still his eldest. By tradition that meant his heir unless he dies first or takes a vow renouncing titles and holdings, of which there are only three: the Maesters, the Kingsguard (no chance Sam would have made that) or thr Night Watch. If his preferred son, Dickon, had been the elder, even Randyll might have been fine with Sam in a kinda castellan/advisory role. Managing the castle finances and such.
@@akaneh1989 Why Randyll didn't let Sam join the Citadel though? It would have the same effect of him renouncing his title anyway.
@@VuTran-mf7kj They explain it in the books - Sam did ask about becoming a Maester but Randyll said no Tarly will be servant on his watch and if Sam wants chains he can have them, and he chained Sam up in the dungeon of Horn Hill.
@@akaneh1989 But being in the Nights Watch is no different than being a "servant" to the realm anyway. I'm not sure why is it different from the Citadel.
This demonstrates the problem of inherited Authority.
As much as I like Sam he's not a leader.
Don't get me wrong, Sam has a lot to offer.
He's very smart and quite the scholar.
Even shows bravery at times.
Sam's talents make him an excellent candidate for a maester.
Disagree that he is not a leader. Not everyone is a natural commanding presence; Sam is a thinker who is able to persuade others to join causes. That is leadership as much as Jon shows on the battlefield. Sam is the one who persuades the Brothers to vote for Jon as new Lord Commander, Sam takes it upon himself to search for info about dragonglass and other weapons to use against the Army of the Dead. Sam takes it upon himself to heal Jorah. That is leadership. A major component of leadership is taking responsibility for things and Sam does that. It's a quieter form of leadership; but, no less powerful. I think Sam will prove to be a far greater leader for his House than his father ever did, as he doesn't fall into the trap of pride and arrogance. he uses his brains for the betterment of all. People may laugh at him; but, they usually come around to his viewpoint, in the end.
@@jeffnettleton3858True a leader doesn't need a commanding presence, but they do need to be able to stand firm against people who do have a commanding presence.
People with strong confident personalities and a lot of charisma will try to challenge the leader. A leader needs to be able stand up to those people.
What Sam needs is to learn to overcome his fear and anxiety.
He has taken steps to do that, but he still has a long way to go.
It takes a lot more courage to look someone in the eye and say "no, this is what I'm doing", then it does to sneak around.
The problem with Randyll was that he was too narrow-sighted. He saw value only in being a fighter, not a thinker. He refused Sam's offer to become a maester instead of going to the Wall because he thought "being a servant" was below a Tarly. Clearly, though, that was Sam's strength, because he cured Jorah of greyscale when no one else was even willing to try.
I agree Sam is a greatt advisor for a king not a leader himself
@@jeffnettleton3858 What you describe is competence, not leadership. Sam is a mastermind, a great scholar and a loyal friend. But by no means is he a leader. A leader inspires people to follow his example and put themselves to risk for a higher cause. He can put faith into people in hopeless situations. Sam, while being very intelligent, is no such man. He would be a great right hand man to Jon, but he could never take his position as a leader.
I read that Samwell tarley hunt part in the books and man it was a brutal piece of lore .
The books narrated by the characters we know from the show would be a delight!
They were also one of the most loyal of Rhaenyra’s Blacks during the Dance of the Dragons using Guerrilla warfare against the HighTowers and Peakes. I can’t wait to see the Tarlys in HOTD.
Best narration voice in histories and lore
I think it's the actor who portrayed Randyll Tarly on the show.
House Tarly was first and foremost a banner vassal noble house. That mean's they fight, they lead, they defend, and not much else. Honor, chivalry, strength, war, battle-tactic's, and victory are a bannerman's very way of life. If any such male heir doesn't fit this bill perfectly, well then he is considered useless. It's a very spartan way of living, and house Tarly did it very well. Many will not agree with Randyll's treatment of Sam, but to a pure-blood warrior, and born leader such an heir would be a flagrant insult.
I understand why Randall Tarly sent Sam to the Wall, instead of letting him be heir because Houses have went extinct due to shitty heirs. Look at House Targaryen and House Bolton and I'm sure other houses went extinct due to this also.
That would be true, if, and it's a huge if, there weren't other options. Ok he isn't fit to rule by his standards, understandable, a smart and actually good ruler would have found a way to still capitalise on Sam's strenghts.
Sam could have been a master, it wouldn't have affected the house's reputation. Randyll's treatement to his son wasn't justified, there were other, better ways to solve this problem.
@sydnitheromantictaylor112 I wouldn't even dislike Randyll so much if he let Sam go be a maester instead of take the black. Maesterhood was Sam's calling, and would've also ensured he never became lord. But Randyll wouldn't even let Sam do that.
@@lawv804 true because Sam is the firstborn. I'm sure that comes with its own stigmata.
I just realized this guy is also Jericho Swain from League of Legends
Fascinating how house Tarly mimics what every boy in medieval England had to do. Boys were given bows at a young age. Every Sunday, fathers and sons would practice with a longbow and when the king or lord needed archers, they had plenty to draw from.
I think the Tarly is the Got counterpart of the Hohenzollerns, who were known to be disciplined soldiers
@@cgt3704 bro they were Kings of prussia and emperors of the German empire
@@electronoob8970 Thanks for the OBVIOUS information. I was referring to their military.
@@cgt3704 yeah but you said they were disciplined soldiers when they were Kings... I get it if you meant they always had disciplined armies cause prussia is known for that
@@electronoob8970 of course i was refering to Prussia. It was obvious. And the prussian royals also were part of the army.
Randyll tarley is the man.
Interestingly, I believe his Zodiac Sign is Taurus. They have patience but can also be stubborn. His patients ran out, and I don't blame him. He's not heartless, but practical and pragmatic. Sam screwed up playing him for a fool bringing a Wildling to his very table.
The worst dad in Westeros tells you a story with his *smooth* voice.
How?
@@Spider58x what a douchey way to try to start a debate haha nice try
That title belongs to Craster.
Actually Tywin and Craster are currently fighting for that title
@@ThatRatBastard idk Tywin may be a bad dad but he didn’t tell threaten Tyrion with murder or psychologically torment him his entire childhood. Aside from the Tysha incident Tyrion seemed to be rather free to do as he pleased and make use of the families wealth. Sam on the other hand was locked in a basement and humiliated constantly for being a coward.
Tywin was distant, cold and brutal while Tarly was consistently brutal and on Sams ass constantly, eventually threatening to kill him outright.
It’s so sad that this is what happens when a child can’t live up to the standards. But, I understand why he sent Sam away. He felt he had no other choice. Dickon was every thing you’d expect in a future lord. But Samwell found his way and now he’s the lord of house Tarly, his birth right.
Maybe he felt he didn't have a choice, and maybe Randyll was just trying to preserve his house the way he thought best. But I wouldn't make him out to be this tortured soul- he not only had no remorse for abusing Sam, he actively enjoyed it. And when Sam himself proposed going to the maesters to learn, which not only suited his talents better but also would have given Randyll what he wanted anyway (for Dickon to become heir to Hornhill), he locked him in the dungeon for three days, then sent him off to the Night's Watch, which is essentially the same thing only far less suitable for Sam.
Randyll was not only cruel, but you can argue his treatment of Sam is illogical and prideful.
Sam, according to the show, is now the maester at King's Landing which means he can’t be the Lord of Hornhill. His mother is the Lady Tarly, and I don’t know if he had any uncles .
@@blazingsword643 Those rules were put into place by the mad king. Bran is the new king and I do believe that Sam is or would be married to the girl( forgot her name) and the little boy could be the new future lord. Samwell Tarly never gave up his name which means he remains the only true born son of the last lord. It doesn't matter if he was denied that in the past or not. If anyone can take away someone's birth right, John Danny and Tyrion would have absolutely no weight on the story. They do( did) r.i.p Dany.
@@lemonadelemon1960 the little boy can’t be the future lord he’s craster’s bastard not Samwell’s son
@@blazingsword643 Those would be the mad kings rules. Bran is king now. And the little boy would and could very well be samwell name sake as lord of hornhill. Who would challenge that? Samwell is the eldest. No siblings and whatever family he had left would be distant.
So many Dany supporters in the comments. She is a foreign invader and a Targeryan bunch of crazies that bunch is. Tarly should have sided with Stannis at black water the whitewalker threat would have been dealt with by season 3 or 4 instead of letting their armies grow
The Mannis and Randyll Tarly hunting down the Others one by one would have been so god
R Lutin and if Roose bent the knee we would have 3 of the best actors and voices in GoT and also the two best commandeers Stannis and Randyll killing WW. The wall was built to protect the WW from them haha
Stannis, Randyll, Roose, Tiwin and Jon Arryn, that's my team
And stannis was a religious nut following a foreign faith, as well as a kinslayer. And she was still of westerosi origins as well as the rightful ruler. Oh and she had dragons.
If Randyll was smart, he would have ordered Dickon to stand down when he was being executed by Daenerys. Randyll was a lot of things- he was honorable (usually), he was a good fighter, and he was willing to sacrifice for the good of his house. But he was also cruel, cold, and didn't give enough credit to a good mind as much as a good sword. He saw no value in Sam because Sam wasn't a fighter, but Sam performed the only operation to cure advanced greyscale without killing Jorah or contracting it himself, something skilled maesters have failed at. Tarly would have been no match for the White Walkers, especially since he would have had no foresight to find a material that could harm them, like obsidian or Valyrian steel. If he managed to kill one using Heartsbane, he probably would have just assumed it was his own skill that did it in, not the material of the blade he swung.
So weird to hear Swain talk about House Tarly
yooo he's also jericho swain??
@@hhattonaom9729 yup
"We know our places, even the Tyrell women don't," heh! He said that about Margaery and Ollena, which I've to admit it.
What's worse is Randyll told Sam that if he didn't "Take the Black," he promised he would take him to go hunting, and he would kill him and make it look like a hunting accident. Thats how disgusted Randyll was of Sam.
"House Tarly won't fall on my watch."
Yeeeaaaaah... About that...
This code is hard but not cruel. What was cruel was daddy not being able to see what kind of man Sam became.
Some pf the most amazing stories ever made
If Randyll was a little smart, he should've let Samwell join the maesters. It is something he wanted to do anyways and it could've put his skills to use. Not all men are meant to be great warriors. some are meant to be the smartest minds of the world.
Anyone who has ever played Crusader Kings knows for a fact that Randyll is not wrong here.........
We've all done it.
I like that voice... remind me to The Great Tywin
So Samwell was successful on his hunt as a boy?
I mean... he lives
Yeah he caught a frog
He did kill a Whight Walker
I truly don’t believe he would have killed Sam. It was a test for Sam, and he failed.
Nah. He would have really killed Sam. Why do you think he lead Sam to the forest? To mask it as an accident if he had to do it.
Have you watched Game of Thrones? Of course he would’ve had Sam killed.
@@lauramorgan27 I’ve watched the show and read the books. We only know the information from Samwell’s point of view. In the books, GRRM has yet to provide the point of view of Randyll Tarly.
@@rodneykelley2917 In the show, Randyll clearly tells Sam that he was going to kill him if he didn't take the black.
@@lauramorgan27 Samwell told Jon Snow what happened. You didn't hear it from Randyll. Do you actually believe he would say that in front of his wife at the dinner table at Highgarden?
The sad thing is if he just let Sam join the maesters he would get everything he wants. Sam is out of sight and out of mind, his second son becomes Lord Tarly, and his wives and daughters wouldn't be heartbroken.
I feel like sending Sam to the Citadel wouldve been a better move than dishonoring his house by sending him all the way to the wall, or threatening kinslaying... The citadel is much closer, allows Sam to do what hes good at, its just an easier and better play
He probably saw being a maester as more effeminate, and the Night’s Watch to be more manlier since they fight and live in the harsh northern climate.
At least talla tarly will continue this proud house.
Its so ironical that house Tarly did fall on his watch 😅😅😅
In the show not in the books
one of the GREAT actors who credited GoT
Why he didn’t send him off to become a Maester I’ll never know. Samwell was perfect for one and Oldtown isn’t very far from Horn Hill. His family could visit him and him them. He might even get to be a Maester to them.
He'd still legally have his birth rights, hence Dickon wouldnt get Horn hill and Heartsbane
@@Primus_Phallus maesters as well as septons, kingsguard and the Night's Watch renounce their birthright when they take their vows. Oberyn just studied there and forged a chain with some links while never making vows, while Aemon, on the other hand, had vows but feared that powermongers would use him for some plots against his brother, so swlf exiled himself at the night's watch to escape such politicking. Becoming a Maester was a perfectly reasonable way for Sam to renounce his birthright, but Randyll renounced it out of spite and personal (flawed) views.
I assumed it was because his son joining the nights watch sounded more manly. Then at least he can say my son gave up his birthright to defend the wall or some bs.
@@Primus_Phallusthat's incorrect. Maesters give up their names and rights of inheritance. It was lord Tarly's pride that meant he would never accept his son being a Maester.
Because he looked down on intellectuals.
The actor who played Dickon was such a good young man. When Dany had him burned alive with his father, I officially hated her. He could have been an amazing heir to House Tarly, and was big and strong enough to weird Heartsbane… such a shame
If Randal learned to love his son, he would have sent him to the Citadel in Oldtown to do what he loved and study as a maester. He would be forced to renounce all titles when he got his chain, as well as the possibility of advising his house as its maester. But no, he chose to send him to the wall because he hated him too much. That was truly cruel.
Same as Tywin. A man too concerned with what people think of him to be a truly effective father or leader. A master of the skills valued by his house, but in so being, unable to acknowledge the skills honed by his progeny that may be more unconventional. And of course a man so blind by an ideal of traditional masculinity, that any son who doesnt embrace that ideal physically, 100% is scum. Tywin could never ship Tyrion to the wall without pretext, his pride wouldnt allow it.
It' wasn't just cruelty. To Randyll the Night's watch was more honorable because it was manly and involved combat, where he saw the Citadel as "weak men learning about the accomplishments of better men".
Randyll should have allowed Samwell to join the Maesters, for Samwell would cease to be a Tarly, and it would make Randyll happy. Samwell would be happy too, for he gets to be with books.
They fought for the Gardeners against aegon the conqueror They fought for the mad king against the rebellion and finally fought for Cersei against Daenerys. For a house that prides itself on being badass they have of being on the losing side.
Loyalty
Fighting hard and doing as well as they do against overwhelming odds is pretty badass. Winning all the time doesn't make you a badass, losing and getting back in the fight does.
Who beat Aegon & his sisters with their dragons not one in the seven kingdoms even Dorne didn’t because technically they not never fought back they just disappeared. The Tyrells dropped the ball after their siege on Storms End & in no possible was they gonna defeat the Dothraki The Unsullied & Daenerys riding her dragon not happening
They Fought for the Blacks during the Dance of Dragons and the Blacks won.
@@George-Hawthorne no they didn't, both the rulers were killed, it ended with a truce
Randyll didn’t know that his fat son would end up killing a white walker and discovering hidden secrets behind the white walkers from taking the black
"It will not fall on my watch no matter how many tears my family sheds" - Exacly the opposite happened when daenerys burned him and his son dickon
Gotta give it to him sam would be an awful heir for HIS house maybe acceptable for hightower or another less militant house but tarly not a chance and from the sound of it sam didn't even attempt to do his duty and learn some sword skills so it makes sense maybe he could have sent him to the citadel but still right choice
"you still believe good soldiers make good kings?"
Lord Tarly admitted his house breeds soldiers, not Kings.
@@ротатоаск lords then. his family are lords, not knights or hedge knights.
rather ironic, that the supposed shamed son, would go on to preserve house Tarly
what? sam as a maester is forbidden from inheritance. the Tarlys continue on through Talla
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 he's broken so many rules at this point who knows anymore
love his voice
Randyll could've sent Sam to The Citadel. I think they have the same vow as the Night's Watch and the Kingsguard. And when Sam become a maester, he can come home and serve house Tarly with his brother. Happy ending for house Tarly.
He probably saw being a maester as more effeminate, and the Night’s Watch to be more manlier since they fight and live in the harsh northern climate.
Samwell Tarly would've been hated by any father he was such a disappointment. He just failed at everything and definitely shouldn't have been heir to Hornhill.
and look what happen to house Tarly now
Randyll was just an unyielding son of a bitch, and frankly got exactly what he deserved in the end.
Fapologist a proud man will always be killed by his pride (something bronn would most likely say)
He was brilliant
Man RR Martin is actually a genius. Now I kind of get where he was coming from. Also, this means if Sam would have refused the black then and challenge his father he probably would have let him stay, it was a test (a messed one) also implies Randyl cried for his son.
Btw this also makes his death complitely dumb since he would never allow his house to die by drogon like that for Cercei after everything he did to protect it.
I have a speculation that Samwell's buffy appearance could be due to depression and trauma. People do fatten in depression.
Yep. It’s called Atypical Depression.
Still a better parent then Craster
Daughter fookin wildling bastard 😂
Love the Tarlys
Always wondered this-why didn’t he just send Sam to Old Town to be a Maester? Same result. Guess anything to do with reading was unimaginable.
No one likes a man like Randyll but he is necessary
I don't agree with abandoning your son. Randyll must do what he must to be a player in the Game of Thrones and serve those he bend the knee for as his ancestors did.
If i was Randyll i would have sent Sam to the Citadel instead of the wall
"Oh so you look reading so much,huh? Well i'll send you somewhere where you can read all the books you want,then when you come back you can be the maester for your brother,the real heir of house Tarly"
Much more reasonable line of thinking...
These are the most awesome unnecessary additions to a Blu-Ray in existence...well maybe up there. There are a few movies that Blu-Ray's/DVD's offer a totally different experience in terms of watching the movie and/or adding a ton of additional lore like this. I remember on DVD one of my favorite movies ever: Memento Special Edition, you had to know how to even get to the main menu with a test to get there lol. But you could watch it in order since the movie is normally a combination of scenes going backward in black/white and forward in color. It's one of the coolest things...I'm surprised more people haven't heard of the movie, but then again I'm not young anymore and it came out when I was ending High School in 2001. Man that was Guy Pearce's best movie for sure.
Randyll should've just sent Sam to the Maesters. Sam, despite being a Tarly, fancies books more than swords, and Randyll needs to get rid of him so that the younger, stronger son, Dickon Tarly, can inherit the family name. Sending Sam to the Maesters would've solved two problems at once.
He probably saw being a maester as more effeminate, and the Night’s Watch to be more manlier since they fight and live in the harsh northern climate.
Bro got so traumatize because of Sam, he name his second son Dick-on
Show portrayed him as a villain, but I mean he has some valid reason to not want Sam in his house. In that kind of world , Sam really would have led to the end of house Tarlly. In a way he actually did.
1:40
Can someone plzz explain why he said "We know our place unline Tyrell women"
I haven't read the books but I would be interested to know why he said that
Because house tyrell is ruled by women and the men are stupid meat bags
What's the soundtrack in the last 30 seconds?
you found it ?
Poor samwell.
Randyll Tarly the only man to have defeated Robert Baratheon top 5 fighter
*commander
1:35 ....we know our place. Even if the Tyrell women don't!
Seems like he refers it to Margaery and Olenna!
And how did that work out for "noble" Randyll Tarly again?
Well, if Sam plays a role in stopping the Night King, pretty fucking good.
Randyll and Tywin could be twins
what is the name of the theme in the background in the beginning
Randyll has as much to do with Sam's "failings" than Sam himself, if not more. We cannot underestimate nor comprehend how damaging Randall's actions to "turn Sam into a man" and his whole view and relationship with his son may have traumatised Sam for life and damaged his growth as a person irreparably. Beside that, Sam had a lot to offer as either a Maester or even a Septon, with his scholarly mind, but for a machist and toxic patriarchal figure like Randyll, that was unacceptable, for his son to have a "servile" position, despite hos weird and twisted around that whole line of thinking actually is.
Righto good chap! Couldn’t sum it up better than that.
Righto good chap! I couldn’t sum it up better myself.
Great general but a loathsome man.
I mean was he supposed to let sam become the lord of hornhill? Everyone knew that sam was weak even himself he couldn’t let sam bring their house down
*Randyll did nothing wrong.*
The Sam we all know and love is a man forged by The Nights's Watch. The Sam that Jon Snow saved was the one to inherit HornHill. It would have fallen well within a decade.
Dude slept in chainmail, was bathed in bull's blood, then Paraded around the castle _To shame him into valor!_ (love that line) but he never formed the responsibility that must come with the privilege/luxury he enjoyed.
Those are awful ways to teach somebody "manliness" or whatever tf. They just made Sam afraid and destroyed his confidence. Jon Snow, a 15-year-old boy, was better at teaching Sam bravery in a few weeks than his dumbass cruel father was over years.
Like Jon was firm that he needed to toughen up, but he worked with him at his own pace instead of bullying him like Randyll and Allister. The idea that the only dichotomy is "soft and spoiled" or "bully and abuse into toughness" is insane to me. There's a middle ground, and that's what Samwell needed.
Tbh he sounds kind of sad about having to send Sam away. Notice he says “how many tears my family sheds” instead of “how many tears my wife sheds”
Before he met magneto
He could be a great Professor X
Why not send Sam to the Citadel? Would've been the safer bet, and his mother would've been more in favour.
0:00 - 0:43
What's the name of this song?
And yet I supported the Lannisters and Stubborn as I turn to ashes with my son...
Confusing cause the narrator is in the show... as another character. A kraken if i recall correctly.
Why the hell then didn't he just let sam become a Maester instead?
Once they complete their training and don the chain that signifies their status, they are expected to serve the realm impartially and forsake any personal ambitions or loyalties to their birth families. This includes renouncing any claims to titles, lands, or inheritances.
Sending him to the wall to freeze and die is just beyond cruel...
Randyll Tarly did no wrong.
'i want a manly son, so ima dress him up in lady clothes' yeh okay
Gotta love that Randal Logic.
He literally said it was to shame him into doing his duty
And house Randall still lives on....through the fat scholar of Sam Randall. Funny how things work out in the end.
ThrdSonofSparda its house Tarly
You didnt even spell Randyll right
Wynson Rao; Oh dear me, I showed that I'm only human. Whatever shall I do?
ThrdSonofSparda jes sayin, not trying to antagonize you
Wynson Rao; "jes saying," rrrright
ThrdSonofSparda yo you can interpret it any way u want to. If you think i was trying to annoy you, not my prob
He should have let Sam become a Master like he wanted, and eventually became. Better he could have requested Sam return and be his brother's maester. Imho
Randyll really shows how toxic masculinity and a militaristic mindset can blind you to other possibilities. It’s like seeing everything as a nail that needs hammering, and it’s the nails fault if it doesn’t go in. Lots of people are pointing out how he could have used Sam’s intellectual side and a more nuanced approach to parenting to make a worthy heir to their house but he never would have considered them; in his eyes, Sam was weak, period, and his bookishness would be useless in war as a commander and in peace as a lord because you need to be a “strong man” to make it in Westerosi nobility and if you don’t fit that mould your a failure. So he tried hammering a soldier into him and, guess what, it didn’t work. The idea that you can put timid kids thru enough hardship that they’ll eventually shape up into a “real man” is some bull-headed survival of the fittest garbage and leaves kids traumatized and shelling up whenever they are exposed to stress (you see it with Sam frequently). Sam eventually became a brave warrior after going thru a lot of hardship but only because he had a strong support system to help him get there in his brothers in the Nights Watch and Gilly.
I get the gist this isn't modern society its a fantasy medieval world where you don't get to do what you want but do your duty house tarly is military minded which is fine and makes sense they're a vassal house that is used for war so they live and breath it sam was heir to that and had a duty to forfil and from what's said he was given everything to achieve that but he didn't even attempt to he just ran away in this society and as heir to a house that is not acceptable so it is understandable why rand removed him it's harsh but right
Randly Tarly is the man
I mean, he could have just yeeted him to the Citadel instead of the Watch?
"I want to have a strong and proud house" he says, while naming his son D!ckon xD
Also a soldier doesnt make a great house, look how Robert Baratheon was a good soldier but a terrible king. A great conqueror but a bad ruler
Dick in our world is short for Richard. Dick only started being slang for penis in the 17th century. so Bronn laughing at that was stupid writing.
Samwell might not have made for a good lord either. Before meeting Jon and thus toughening up a bit, sam was basically a young Tytos Lannister, whos men all laughed at him and exploited him. he was never supposed to be a lord.
Everyone in the comments defending Randyll; please dont have kids lmao
Dude randyll's world is merciless sam would’ve become the next tytos
I guess him and dick didnt have what it takes to be Varsity Athletes after all.....and Sam still stole HeartsBaine and all the cakes!!!....... He gave up his claim to the power of the Butterfinger
baine? lmfao
lol @ "Varsity Athletes" comment!
Oh no but in the show the Tarly’s support Queen Cersei, who has no claim to the throne because…because… of because Tarly is a bad guy and they needed him on the bad team.
At least one guy gets that Olenna Tyrell was nothing more than a haughty rich lady.
I hate how he treated Sam. If he made him a maester it would have been smart. Not all houses have a maester.
Sam could have become westroses Fredrick the great
Now the house is extinct
(Pov: it fell on his watch lol)
Tarly sided with Rhaenyra
The irony
Sam wanted to be a maester....they take vows to not marry wouldnt that be the exact same thing as giving up ur claim and if so why not just have him do that instead lol
Tarly is a soldier's house. At least at the watch sam would have been a fighter. Masters are scholars and that would have been seen as shameful to randyl
To bad D&D fucked it up. And suddenly made Dickon the elder brother
Is that same attitude that got his ass fried by Drogon lol!!!
Ahhh swain