@@victormejia3590 The locking pin spring inside the VTC actuator. In most cases a new one resolves the rattle. Occasionally new seals are needed as well or a new TCT.
I just fixed that on mine, but I didnt replace it, I simply took the 4 bolts off the gear took the little plunger out stretched the spring and put it back together, worked like a charm and I didnt have to spend any money.
@@jf8322 yes valve cover off, pull the four bolts off the gear cover, remove it carfully, stretch the spring and put it back in. all with out removing the cam gear.
I just got a 14 CRV and it has this issues (I did not notice it when I checked). Anyways, how do you remove those security bolts? They look like they can strip easily. Also, do they need to be torqued when tightened?
Actually no. I have a 2012 Honda CRV purchased brand new. I have 160 miles on it right now. I changed the oil at every 3 to 3.5k miles this is at the 60% mark on the maintence minder that is displayed on the vehicles cluster. Guess what? My VTC actuator became bad as well..
I have 140k on my 2012 crv. My 2nd vtc actuator started making noise last year. I figured when it got real annoying, I would eventually swap the spring. Long story short, opened up, couldn’t get one screw broke loose, put it all back together. Now it liked to make noise at every start up. At my next oil change, I switched oil from mobile 1 ( used since car was at 36K) and switched to Valvoline restore and protect, 500 miles into that oil change interval, I have not had the vtc rattle since. Even if the car sits for 3-4 days, no rattle.
I don’t know why people take the whole cam off. I’ve fixed this issue by carefully removing the fasteners off the top portion of the sprocket ⚙️, take the spring out, stretch it, and reinstall everything. Never had an issue as the sprocket doesn’t need replacing.
I’d actually like to try this, someone else even mentioned you can replace the spring with a different one. Is there any info on how to repair just the spring anywhere. I’d actually prefer to do that than to make customers buy an expensive part that’s just going to fail again.
Hi, I actually just watched it after reading your comment, looks like a pretty good technique and great instructional video as well. I think once you have chain tension off the gear, unbolting the cam holders is not that much more work but it is an extra step, I like doing it that way for the extra wiggle room on reassembly (being able to tilt the cams and turn them by hand if I need to). He also repeats the importance of not letting the chain drop, that's really the most important part. One other thing I wouldn't do though is apply the thread locker to the cam bolts like he does. The service info doesn't say anything about doing that and I have encountered cam bolts and crank bolts in the past where a technician has done that and it made my life very difficult for a brief period lol. If you torque it all to spec like the service info tells you, it's good to go.
I just did one of these last weekend. A couple hundred miles in and NO trouble. See Chris Fixes video for a couple of time saving procedures. Removing the Belt, Crank pulley and Cams are NOT necessary.
MUCH easier to change the VTC actuator without removing the camshaft IMO. That seemed unneccasry to me and created more work and more things that can go wrong. I replaced my VTC actuator myself with jusrt removing the Intake and exahust cam sprockets. You definitely need two people when getting the timing chanin on both sprockets, but thats no big deal. Good job nonetheless!
Yeah, it is more work but I’ve been in the situation where I needed the gear removed to get the cam back in and that was not fun, so I just do it ahead of time now but I pinned a comment on this video where you can just replace the spring and it resolves the rattle. Someone else even commented that you can removed the stock spring and stretch it out. With those repairs you don’t even need to mess with the timing chain, just have to pull the valve cover. I plan on doing that repair next time I have one of these.
@@SkillCollectors Replacing or stretching the spring doesn't always work. The problem is the seat in the actuator backing plate gets worn from the pin sliding back and forth on it. In fact with a stiffer spring the plate will wear even faster due to the extra pressure. For an extra $10-$20 per vehicle the manufacturers could avoid this problem altogether by making the backing plate out of hardened steel. But usually these fail after the warranty expiration anyway so they don't give AF.
Super common repair on these honda k series engines. I've even read that honda just tells you it's normal and doesn't do anything about it because eventually a newly installed gear will make the same noise.
It definitely sounds like something is seriously broken. If the part was cheaper I’d say do it but man, it’s a pretty penny also. A lot of our customers opt to do it even if it may make the noise again in the future.
Hi thanks for sharing this! I’ve been looking for a video on how to replace the VTC screen ( I forms one for replacing the gasket). Can you direct me to where I can find something like that for a 2021 Honda CRV?
I am about to do this job and I did some research and noticed you didn’t lock the gear onto the cam after installing. Is that something you didn’t mention or is that something I can skip??
It usually comes set up properly from Honda. However, before proceeding, you may want to check the comments. I pinned a post by spring-start. There are kits to just replace the spring in the gear and no need to replace the whole thing. I will be trying this repair in the future when I film another one. May be worth a try for you as it saves a ton of time and work.
There’s no specific mileage for valve adjustments anymore on these newer cars. At work we only inspect them if vehicles are presenting problems. If the vehicle ever had valve cover gaskets done, that would be a good time to inspect them too. For what it’s worth, I hardly do valve adjustments anymore as preventative maintenance.
Be sure the check out @spring-start .. It seems they have an easier repair than removing and replacing the whole gear. I plan to do this method in the future, just haven't had one of these jobs in some time.
Not sure why he removed the serpentine belt and the pulley. I changed out the VTC gear without removing the cam. I just had to unbolt the exhaust cam gear. I tyraped the chain to the exhaust gear and was able to put both gears on at.the same time. Took me about 2 hrs
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In many cases replacing the spring resolves the rattle. The kit is about $35 from Spring-Start
I plan on buying one for our shop to have next time we get one of these failed VTC gears.
What is spring excuse me
@@victormejia3590 The locking pin spring inside the VTC actuator. In most cases a new one resolves the rattle. Occasionally new seals are needed as well or a new TCT.
@@spring-start I did the kit, replaced it with the correct size spring, rattle is just as bad!🤷♂️
@@davekana8388 reach out and we'll send some more parts to fix it
I just fixed that on mine, but I didnt replace it, I simply took the 4 bolts off the gear took the little plunger out stretched the spring and put it back together, worked like a charm and I didnt have to spend any money.
Yup, the spring-start kit looks promising as well. Will be doing a video on that next time I get one of these jobs.
Can u do it just by taking valve cover
Off
@@jf8322 yes valve cover off, pull the four bolts off the gear cover, remove it carfully, stretch the spring and put it back in. all with out removing the cam gear.
@@SkillCollectorsany idea if that spring start kit actually works? Looking to replacing mine
I just got a 14 CRV and it has this issues (I did not notice it when I checked). Anyways, how do you remove those security bolts? They look like they can strip easily. Also, do they need to be torqued when tightened?
Shorter oil change intervals, 5000k instead of 9 to 10 k will significantly help this problem.
Good job explaining your process for fixing this.
Actually no. I have a 2012 Honda CRV purchased brand new. I have 160 miles on it right now. I changed the oil at every 3 to 3.5k miles this is at the 60% mark on the maintence minder that is displayed on the vehicles cluster. Guess what? My VTC actuator became bad as well..
I have 140k on my 2012 crv. My 2nd vtc actuator started making noise last year. I figured when it got real annoying, I would eventually swap the spring. Long story short, opened up, couldn’t get one screw broke loose, put it all back together. Now it liked to make noise at every start up. At my next oil change, I switched oil from mobile 1 ( used since car was at 36K) and switched to Valvoline restore and protect, 500 miles into that oil change interval, I have not had the vtc rattle since. Even if the car sits for 3-4 days, no rattle.
I don’t know why people take the whole cam off. I’ve fixed this issue by carefully removing the fasteners off the top portion of the sprocket ⚙️, take the spring out, stretch it, and reinstall everything.
Never had an issue as the sprocket doesn’t need replacing.
I’d actually like to try this, someone else even mentioned you can replace the spring with a different one. Is there any info on how to repair just the spring anywhere. I’d actually prefer to do that than to make customers buy an expensive part that’s just going to fail again.
Hello, please a video for demonstration.
Thank you.
@@georgeodegi3261 th-cam.com/video/TvZfZHoUXq0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=tGrkKeqMIVF0Q-_y
Spring-Start VTC has inexpensive rebuild kits for these. All done with the VTC actuator in place.
@@spring-start thank you for sharing this. I’m going to recommend this next time we have to do this repair.
I've seen Chris fix do it without removing the cam.. ever tried that?
Hi, I actually just watched it after reading your comment, looks like a pretty good technique and great instructional video as well. I think once you have chain tension off the gear, unbolting the cam holders is not that much more work but it is an extra step, I like doing it that way for the extra wiggle room on reassembly (being able to tilt the cams and turn them by hand if I need to). He also repeats the importance of not letting the chain drop, that's really the most important part. One other thing I wouldn't do though is apply the thread locker to the cam bolts like he does. The service info doesn't say anything about doing that and I have encountered cam bolts and crank bolts in the past where a technician has done that and it made my life very difficult for a brief period lol. If you torque it all to spec like the service info tells you, it's good to go.
I just did one of these last weekend. A couple hundred miles in and NO trouble. See Chris Fixes video for a couple of time saving procedures. Removing the Belt, Crank pulley and Cams are NOT necessary.
Ive done both his way is way better. Way less chance of dropping the chain chris even drops it in his video but it ends up ok
We have a 2012 Accord SE, exhibits a quick rattle(
I let it go, cost me $3,600 to fix at Honda, stretched timing chain, serpentine belt, various other parts went bad.
@@1975emac how many miles were there when work was needed? Thx
@@maverickperson5443 170,000
MUCH easier to change the VTC actuator without removing the camshaft IMO. That seemed unneccasry to me and created more work and more things that can go wrong. I replaced my VTC actuator myself with jusrt removing the Intake and exahust cam sprockets. You definitely need two people when getting the timing chanin on both sprockets, but thats no big deal. Good job nonetheless!
Yeah, it is more work but I’ve been in the situation where I needed the gear removed to get the cam back in and that was not fun, so I just do it ahead of time now but I pinned a comment on this video where you can just replace the spring and it resolves the rattle. Someone else even commented that you can removed the stock spring and stretch it out. With those repairs you don’t even need to mess with the timing chain, just have to pull the valve cover. I plan on doing that repair next time I have one of these.
@@SkillCollectors yeah I have seen replacing the spring works as well. It's been 2.5 years since I replaced my actuator. Still quiet at start up.
@@SkillCollectors Replacing or stretching the spring doesn't always work. The problem is the seat in the actuator backing plate gets worn from the pin sliding back and forth on it. In fact with a stiffer spring the plate will wear even faster due to the extra pressure. For an extra $10-$20 per vehicle the manufacturers could avoid this problem altogether by making the backing plate out of hardened steel. But usually these fail after the warranty expiration anyway so they don't give AF.
Super common repair on these honda k series engines. I've even read that honda just tells you it's normal and doesn't do anything about it because eventually a newly installed gear will make the same noise.
That is why im debating if I should do this repair or just leave it alone but that anoying cranking sound on cold days man GGRRRRRRRR
It definitely sounds like something is seriously broken. If the part was cheaper I’d say do it but man, it’s a pretty penny also. A lot of our customers opt to do it even if it may make the noise again in the future.
@@SkillCollectors Did you have any repeat customer having the same issue and how long did it take to have the rattle return?
This will be only a temporary solution. The rattle seems to be due to many reasons. Including oil pressure.
@@mksckumara Yup, pretty much just a bandaid.
Great job I was stressed on it too just watching but you did GREAT job this was very informative my friend 😊
Hi thanks for sharing this! I’ve been looking for a video on how to replace the VTC screen ( I forms one for replacing the gasket). Can you direct me to where I can find something like that for a 2021 Honda CRV?
Why is yours leaking?
If don't reply this part, is that fatal damage for the engine? Thanks.
No. Some guys have the noise over 5 years and engine works good.
I am about to do this job and I did some research and noticed you didn’t lock the gear onto the cam after installing. Is that something you didn’t mention or is that something I can skip??
It usually comes set up properly from Honda. However, before proceeding, you may want to check the comments. I pinned a post by spring-start. There are kits to just replace the spring in the gear and no need to replace the whole thing. I will be trying this repair in the future when I film another one. May be worth a try for you as it saves a ton of time and work.
How does one replace the chain tensioner without the chain coming off the crank shaft sprocket? Or won't happen?
If you’re just changing the tensioner, put it in TDC and then remove it the way I did in this vid, then install the new one. Won’t jump teeth.
bro how much you charge??
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There’s no specific mileage for valve adjustments anymore on these newer cars. At work we only inspect them if vehicles are presenting problems. If the vehicle ever had valve cover gaskets done, that would be a good time to inspect them too. For what it’s worth, I hardly do valve adjustments anymore as preventative maintenance.
@@SkillCollectors Totally agree. I never touch the valves unless absolutely necessary.
Happy Thanks Giving...
No valve adjustment?
Would it change?
does odyssey j35y6 engine has same vtc actuator problem?
Negative, k-series mainly.
only the spring inside the actuator needs to be replaced with a stronger one
great video anyways
Do you have the link video to replace the spring actiator?
Spring-Start VTC has it
Good job 👏
What happens if the teeth jump the gear n how do you fix it?
Timing will be out of spec. Will have to remove the whole timing cover and re-align all the timing marks.
@@SkillCollectors ok thx. But I can't get that effin crankshaft bolt off. Any suggestions?
@@derrycklatti9269 At our shop we have a 3/4" Pneumatic impact just for this very situation. Maybe you can borrow one or rent one?
@@derrycklatti9269 Get the special crank bolt socket. Thank me later.
Great info!
Glad you liked it
OEM or aftermarket actuator?
If you don't want to just replace the spring and seals always go OEM.
I need to replace mine. It does the same thing when you start it every morning. I have almost 350000 on my 2014 CRV
Be sure the check out @spring-start .. It seems they have an easier repair than removing and replacing the whole gear. I plan to do this method in the future, just haven't had one of these jobs in some time.
You didn't get the rattle for 350K miles? Wow you're lucky.
Not sure why he removed the serpentine belt and the pulley. I changed out the VTC gear without removing the cam. I just had to unbolt the exhaust cam gear. I tyraped the chain to the exhaust gear and was able to put both gears on at.the same time. Took me about 2 hrs
Did you take out the chain tensioner when you did it or how did you get enough slack in the chain?
I love your video Bro...Thank you very much...
Glad you liked it
Thanks
you forgot a crucial step!!!
you didn't adjust the valves!!
Nice video. Lose the music though.
Tough guy lol
Just stretch the spring...
This works from I understand, will be trying this method in the future!
The spring will go back to exactly the original length after its installed and compressed. You need a stiffer spring.
@@gfriedman99 buy a new spring...
Crappy video too far away no up close motion. Too fast.