The SECOND Worst Character in Brawl (was Sabotaged by the Developers)

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  • On paper, having the ability to switch between three different characters in one game seems like an obvious advantage. The Brawl devs thought so, too. How did they tackle the problem of having a 3-in-1 character? Today we look into Pokemon Trainer, or more specifically Ivysaur, and how the devs tried to fix something that wasn’t broken.
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    Notes/Corrections:
    "You forgot marios fludd does actually more knockback to charizard, even if it doesnt damage more." Courtesy of ‪@grayblood2419‬
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    Music used:
    -Intro / Roboquest - Act
    -2:42 / Madagascar(GCN) - N.Y. Street Chase (Gloria)
    -3:52 / Pictionary(NES) - Title
    -4:53 / Neon White - Vainglorious Chorus
    -Outro / WORLD OF HORROR - Home Theme
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    Video footage/credits:
    -Subspace Squirtle scene - • SSBB - The Subspace Em...
    -Subspace Ivysaur scene - • SSBB - The Subspace Em...
    -Subspace Charizard scene - • SSBB - The Subspace Em...
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  • @CONEYZZ
    @CONEYZZ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3249

    * grabs ur ledge *

    • @whateew
      @whateew 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +244

      no coney dont do it he has 24 character type weaknesses

    • @AutisticJesusGaming
      @AutisticJesusGaming 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +56

      Coney you really love this guy don’t you

    • @michellea.793
      @michellea.793 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

      hey look it’s the brawl guy

    • @quailron1581
      @quailron1581 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      uwu

    • @robertrulez5391
      @robertrulez5391 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      He is always watching in wait

  • @Mann344
    @Mann344 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2849

    Every time I see Ivysaur's recovery in Brawl, I always think of how if he grabs the front ledge of Pirate Ship, it swings him into the ship and kills him instantly. It's so funny.

    • @thisbox
      @thisbox 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +181

      Brawl Ivysaur as their finest.

    • @DragonMaster1818
      @DragonMaster1818 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

      Does it do the same for olimar

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +761

      I WISH I KNEW ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE VIDEO CAME OUT THIS IS SO FUNNY BROOOO

    • @AztecCroc
      @AztecCroc 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      I think that might still be a thing in Ultimate, I know it is for the Belmonts.

    • @radaf4429
      @radaf4429 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      ​@thisbox its*

  • @bubbathesomewhatreal
    @bubbathesomewhatreal 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +601

    You see, Sakurai's first ever starter pokemon was Squirtle. He lost the first rival battle to Bulbasaur, causing him to swear vengeance.

    • @JHamron
      @JHamron 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      Must have gotten over it when he came around to Ultimate lmao

    • @phillipanselmo8540
      @phillipanselmo8540 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +38

      ​@@JHamronSakurai doesn't balance ultimate

    • @jamesknapp64
      @jamesknapp64 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Makes sense

    • @Nouser-237
      @Nouser-237 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      @@phillipanselmo8540not anymore but some of the balance changes he used to make were impactful

  • @EdwardoFE
    @EdwardoFE 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1007

    Project M realized the only way to redeem this character was to give it a gigantic death beam, among other buffs.

    • @theoverseer393
      @theoverseer393 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +81

      An acceptable solution

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +299

      HELL YEAH pm solarbeam is one of the coolest moves of all time, a perfect example of Smash attack concept & execution & I stand by that

    • @Himadpeoples
      @Himadpeoples 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      @@Brawlternative pm had a lot of stuff like that. Miss it dearly, pm did not deserve Gimr

    • @0ceanking
      @0ceanking 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

      God a good ivysaur was so frustrating to fight in PM but I could never be mad about getting owned by a properly aimed solar beam. Such a badass move; I wish Nintendo would have taken notes.

    • @matthewmazzatto8003
      @matthewmazzatto8003 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      ​@@Brawlternative PM Solar Beam was done so well that it puts both Waft and Aura to shame.

  • @MishKoz
    @MishKoz 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +496

    Fun #Gaming fact: Ivysaur is the only Grass-type Pokemon to be playable in Smash! As a reference to "Grass" containing the word "ass", the Brawl team made sure that this character was as bad as possible!

    • @YujiUedaFan
      @YujiUedaFan 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      They need to give Grass a break. It's why Decidueye should have been playable over Incineroar, because we don't have a single fully evolved Grass Pokémon in Smash.

    • @shironasama0445
      @shironasama0445 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Fuck the grass type mistreatment

    • @MishKoz
      @MishKoz 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      @@YujiUedaFan
      Yeah but Incineroar is cool as fuck so he gets a pass 😎

    • @drumcircle9688
      @drumcircle9688 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      As a link hater, i do not need another bow spammer.
      Especially one that FLIES.

    • @YujiUedaFan
      @YujiUedaFan 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@drumcircle9688 Maybe Meowscarda instead of next Smash game.

  • @pizus4823
    @pizus4823 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1285

    the more you watch through this video the more it feels like the devs genuinely hated ivysaur. The stamina and weakness gimmicks can be seen as "misguided" but making the basic enemy of subspace specifically resistant to grass attacks is just cruel

    • @HimekoIzayoi
      @HimekoIzayoi 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +186

      Someone on that dev team got their nuzlocke ruined by an Ivysaur/Venusaur.

    • @AutumnReel4444
      @AutumnReel4444 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      This.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +378

      I wasn't even going to originally make a standalone Pokemon Trainer/Ivysaur video but when I was doing research I would KEEP FINDING NEW THINGS that would negatively effect ONLY Ivysaur. It's SO foul lmfao

    • @bigbulbasaur310
      @bigbulbasaur310 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      It makes me really very sad honestly

    • @thepizzaman6310
      @thepizzaman6310 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Hey, they resist slash too
      Marth and co are also given the middle finger. Still crazy they made it this way though. Poor ivysuar does NOT get to eat.
      Also, the other two pokemon have a few good non-elemental attacks they can use. If charizard is fighting squrtle, at least charizard can use non-elemental attacks to hit squrtle through resistance. Ivy against charizard has pretty much nothing, essentially making charizard always have 10% less knockback taken if ivy is in play.

  • @bulb9970
    @bulb9970 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +249

    For the longest time I thought Peach’s turnip was a grass attack

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +211

      THIS WOULD HAVE MADE SENSE

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

      Well what about peach pulling a bomb
      Does that bring to total to 25

    • @berrim26
      @berrim26 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Megaman's leaf shield!

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

      @@jmurray1110 SHHHHHH DON'T TELL THEM ABOUT THE SECRET 25TH CHARACTER

    • @De_an
      @De_an 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@berrim26 Villager and Isabelle down tilt

  • @SophSophSoph298
    @SophSophSoph298 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +175

    If we permitted ivysaur vs ganon, ganon would still maybe lose but neither player would be smiling by the end

    • @vTheStranger
      @vTheStranger 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +28

      "Is he stronger than you Ivysaur?"
      Hmm.. good question. If he were to use fire-infused attacks, it might cause me a little trouble.
      "But would you lose?"
      Nah, i'd win.

    • @Rarest26
      @Rarest26 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Imo I feel Ganon wins but not by much.

    • @anothenblue2630
      @anothenblue2630 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Rarest26 he still loses even if he wins because he's using Brawl Ganon in Brawl.

  • @Baconator2558
    @Baconator2558 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +158

    Subspace enemies being resistant to grass attacks is insane. Goomba has a good matchup against Ivysaur.

    • @moosesues8887
      @moosesues8887 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      I mean technically he probably would be a grass type in Pokémon

    • @FishwicksREAL
      @FishwicksREAL 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Goomba? Goomba is definitely a poison/grass type.

    • @multipleSpiders
      @multipleSpiders 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @FishwicksREAL no way. goomba is sooo normal type.

    • @FishwicksREAL
      @FishwicksREAL 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@multipleSpiders He is either a poison type of some sort, or a dark type of some sort.

  • @cuchutrain
    @cuchutrain 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +368

    The 24 fire-move camera stare shook me to my core

    • @jonathanrobles7377
      @jonathanrobles7377 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +25

      It was really effective! Hilarious in a schadenfreude way

    • @EwwHandles
      @EwwHandles 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Literally crying rn

    • @SlimeBlueMS
      @SlimeBlueMS 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      I was thinking "...it's gunna be every character, isn't it?"

    • @brunop.8745
      @brunop.8745 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@SlimeBlueMS it wasn't every character but it was damn near close

  • @shaan__real
    @shaan__real 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +226

    its insane that brawl was the first smash game with an actual balance team and this stuff was allowed through. not to mention ics and meta knight

    • @dysr
      @dysr 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      It’s funny, since the balance team was a tiny group of casuals.

    • @cr4sh25
      @cr4sh25 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Snake uptilt hitbox. Look that bad boy up if you haven't.

    • @shaan__real
      @shaan__real 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@cr4sh25 wait til you see his nair shit is crazy

    • @sandrin0
      @sandrin0 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      4-total-playtesters moment

    • @tysonfontanez
      @tysonfontanez 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Balanced worse than both of the installments before it despite having a balance team

  • @k96man
    @k96man 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +203

    "Their solution to this was very misguided" I feel like that sums up a lot of the design decisions in brawl

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

      They had some really interesting ideas. They went in (what i think to be) the objectively wrong direction with a lot/most of them, but the way they expand on some of the stuff in future games shows they at least had a good starting point. Just sucks that Brawl got the brunt end of being the "alpha test" for a lot of it lol

    • @YujiUedaFan
      @YujiUedaFan 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      Like Sonic's whole boring moveset. They had 2 Sonic fighting games to work with, yet just gave him spindash and a bunch of cloned moves. I know there was a time crunch, but what really makes it annoying is Sakurai won't even let Sonic have a different moveset in 4 and Ultimate (due to some BS).

    • @RosalinaSama
      @RosalinaSama 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@YujiUedaFan he does atleast have 2 (i know it's not that many) moves straight from those games, the ftilt is from sonic the fighters and the dair is from battle

    • @gypsysprite4824
      @gypsysprite4824 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      @@YujiUedaFan I get why Sonic is scuffed for Brawl, assuming I remember correctly that Sonic was the last character added and therefor probably a rush job
      but come on, where the hell is the Axe Kick from the GBA fighter? why does he need 2 spindash moves? they could have easily made his DSMash a breakdance rather than a leg split

    • @YujiUedaFan
      @YujiUedaFan 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@RosalinaSama Seriously, what weird moves to use from those games.

  • @dork5499
    @dork5499 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +237

    I didn’t even realize there was a Hydro Jyk, I thought that those were Electric and the actual "electric" was Magic Jyk.

    • @Favalify
      @Favalify 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Same lmao

    • @Wesley-76
      @Wesley-76 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That's probably because they messed up the sounds. Hydros make electric noises while Electric ones make water noises. The only one that works is the fire ones

    • @dork5499
      @dork5499 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Wesley-76 I feel like the sound the Electric Jyks make are similar to when you get hit by Zelda's attacks, which is why I thought those were Magic.

    • @Wesley-76
      @Wesley-76 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@dork5499 yeah it's a weird sound. I read it was water, but it certainly does sound magical

  • @fanimation617
    @fanimation617 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +115

    The subspace emisary thing is just straight up mean WHY, its so unnecesary too, honestly that makes me think that there was a development stage for more grass attacks but they scrap them and leave the system there because

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

      I was doing some theorycrafting, and this was the only thing I could think of. Like maybe they were short on time and had to scrap it? Such an odd thing to add to SPECIFICALLY spite one character

    • @cr4sh25
      @cr4sh25 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

      I think it has to be how much easier bullet seed makes it for more casual players. I forget how much damage it can do but it's above 40 iirc. They don't smash-di.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      @@cr4sh25 heavy characters are stuck in there even with SDI, a direct scoop will deal up to 60% on like Bowser or DK. Definitely a knowledge check move for new players

    • @JoeThomas-lu6fy
      @JoeThomas-lu6fy 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Brawlternative The quote from the wiki page doesn't actually say that every enemy except Primids resist grass. It's saying that (except Primids) every enemy has the same resistance to grass as they do to slashing attacks.

  • @Darksilver740
    @Darksilver740 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +102

    Seeing Squirtle (The fast and weak out of the 3) with like 17 resistances makes me think of how dangerous it is to make a Steel type pokemon have very powerful stats. The idea behind "Fast but weak" is just corrected by "resists almost everything"

    • @DeniableWhistle
      @DeniableWhistle 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +34

      This is why Excadrill was so busted in Black and White.

    • @Darksilver740
      @Darksilver740 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

      @DeniableWhistle I was thinking of Zacian but he is also another good choice.

    • @ZAPRST8879
      @ZAPRST8879 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      and then you remember that it weaks to fire so it dies to pyra down air at 0%

    • @gypsysprite4824
      @gypsysprite4824 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@Darksilver740 Zacian as a whole was pretty much designed to be absurd (which makes it fucking hillarious how Zamazenta is now the good on in SV VGC post-nerfs)

    • @jamiefenwick8359
      @jamiefenwick8359 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gypsysprite4824 To be fair zacian is basically the perfect singles Pokémon (where it is still very busted). Obviously some of that bustedness translates over to vgc but insane stats and typing takes you less far there by default.

  • @Mr_Muda_Himself
    @Mr_Muda_Himself 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

    Oh so that’s why Ivy was so broken in ultimate, the zenkai boosts went absolutely crazy.

    • @blank_ivysaur
      @blank_ivysaur 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Ivy is unfortunately still one of the worst characters in ultimate on her own. She’s kinda still bad at everything but is functional now. Kill confirms only got her far in the super early meta. A series of nerfs to the only thing going for her and a better player base have basically gutted the character.

    • @elSteeler
      @elSteeler 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@blank_ivysaur thanks for this, PT was super carried by early meta lack of knowledge and was nerfed before the meta corrected for it

  • @BlackbladeYT
    @BlackbladeYT 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +273

    Man they really wanted to be faithful to grass type in the Pokémon games with this fellow huh. That weakness chart hurt my soul

    • @michaualtington
      @michaualtington 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      yeah but in pokemon the grass types have acess to the best status moves and also a built in immunity to all powder moves, in brawl ivysaur has half a good move(maybe)

    • @choihayting5039
      @choihayting5039 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      @@michaualtington They shoulda added those status moves and made Ivy the support of the team while the other two do the damage

    • @Epzilon12
      @Epzilon12 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Yeah, grass has gotten a lot better nowadays. A lot of good grass types came out and what resistances it has are good. Shame about being weak to U-Turn though

  • @suedonnym
    @suedonnym 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +547

    i always found it hilarious how you can just destroy ivysaur's hopes and dreams by hogging ledge
    also based tim follin pictionary music usage

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +94

      unreal how good the entire OST is, man knew unimaginable things about the NES soundfont

    • @suedonnym
      @suedonnym 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      Tim Follin has always been one of my GOATs and it always puts a smile on my face to see his music used anywhere. I can only imagine how crazy his career would've been if he got to compose such technically insane music for some of the most popular games on the system

    • @erhanjpg1467
      @erhanjpg1467 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      RIP Geoff Follin, his brother

    • @Formula_Zero_EX
      @Formula_Zero_EX 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Tim Follin is goated.

    • @DragonMaster1818
      @DragonMaster1818 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      You can technically kill them earier than little mac because of that

  • @FMJoner
    @FMJoner 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    I've always wondered which attacks in brawl counted as the various elements. The fact that both water and grass have ZERO outside of Trainer is baffling.

  • @ChicagoSSBU
    @ChicagoSSBU 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

    I feel like stamina is not an inherently bad mechanic, but on the other hand, WHY does it regenerate at a snails pace?

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      It would have been 200,000x better to just let it go back up to 100 when you lose a stock, or regenerate at least 2stam/s when not in use. They really wanted you to COMMIT to using one for a whole stock, even with Ivy's weaknesses

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +47

    I don't get why they include mechanics like Stamina, but then do basically nothing to tell casual players about it (especially since this was before they added the loading screen tips)... There really isn't any obvious hints about it, because most people won't sit still long enough to notice their idle animation change, let alone understand what that means... To a casual player, they'll just wonder why the heck this character is so weak, not realizing that its a result of the stamina mechanic taking effect.

    • @ehhorve857
      @ehhorve857 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      can confirm, was confused. I DID notice eventually, but it was _eventually._

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      It's especially foul because of how big the nerf is. 30% is INCOMPREHENSIBLE

    • @megapussi
      @megapussi 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      i swear its like they want to punish you for playing in away they dont want you to but dont want to guide you to play how they intend. Genuinely the most backwards, misguided way to design a videogame mechanic imaginable

    • @dreamwalking
      @dreamwalking 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I seem to recall that I learned about that from the game manual.

  • @maneruloquendero
    @maneruloquendero 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    The fire-water-grass type effectiveness thing would have been more balanced if it only applied to another PKMN Trainer's Pokémon, and not to EVERY playable character. It was cruel from Sakurai to load the game with fiery attacks but water and grass attacks could only be found on Squirtle and Ivysaur respectively, giving Charizard and Squirtle an unfair advantage over Ivysaur

  • @zachpro5475
    @zachpro5475 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +98

    Image if all the Pokémon had this in ultimate

    • @aidanbagshaw3411
      @aidanbagshaw3411 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      no

    • @EnharmonicYT
      @EnharmonicYT 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

      Ivysaur loses to Pyra -2 in that timeline

    • @pbz7572
      @pbz7572 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dear God no

    • @pbz7572
      @pbz7572 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      -Ivy dies to GnW fair @ 100
      -Steve NIL Upsmash finishers kill Ivy @ 70
      -Holy water does 50% to Ivy
      -Ramram does increased knockback to Ivy at ledge (can’t come back to stage w/ switching if hit @ 40)
      -etc...

    • @JohnDoe______
      @JohnDoe______ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Also what about other weaknesses ivysaur is also weak to psychic so ness and Lucas psi attacks would be effective also squirtle is week to electric and charizard is weak to rock and electric
      Also lucario is weak to fire

  • @yangerdanger7744
    @yangerdanger7744 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +85

    holy shit roboquest music detected

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      i chose the song we've all heard 10,000 times too LOL

    • @Kingbobman69
      @Kingbobman69 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Brawlternative You gotta use Forced and Natural for the Meta Knight Video:tm:

    • @vgzombie
      @vgzombie 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I was wondering why it sounded so familiar

    • @randocommando7945
      @randocommando7945 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Forget that, there was music from the damn Madagascar 1 game ost in this video, that was awesome

  • @ThatKnatGuy
    @ThatKnatGuy 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Tbh I think the biggest thing is they wanted them to be unique. Smash was made as a party game to be played casual and it was a fun gimmick for that. The devs didn't develop this game from a competitive standpoint, so overall I think it was a cool thing. Just not competitively.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I wholeheartedly agree! I think a fleshed out version of this with visuals that match the "type weakness," maybe a special sound or something to make it more clear? etc etc is an absolutely bonkers cool idea for a character like Pokemon Trainer. I at least wish they fleshed it out in Subspace more, since I remember dying a lot as Ivysaur since coincidentally there's a bunch of fire guys in his part of the campaign

    • @noukan42
      @noukan42 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Brawlternativehonestly, part of why i want an overhaul of the FE roster is to try this idea again with the weapon triangle.

  • @LiamsLPs
    @LiamsLPs 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +41

    Crazy that removing those systems and some number tweeking made Ivysaur arguably the best PT mon in Ultimate, and a high tier overall at that

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

      He's so sick in Ultimate! I think the devs felt bad lol

    • @ChainsSSB
      @ChainsSSB 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Tbf Ivysaur was given a lot more than just "some" tweaking

    • @SSM24_
      @SSM24_ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      I'm so glad PT as a whole is actually good in Ultimate, probably my favorite character concept in the series and it's great to see that concept actually done justice.

    • @SableJem
      @SableJem 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      That Down Air Hitbox is nuts

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You think that’s nuts up air is pre nerf sized

  • @DyxoXinoro
    @DyxoXinoro 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +55

    Honestly, I'd low key love to see the elemental weakness and resistance thing expanded on. Not just to other pokemon (ex. Lucario being weak to Fire but resist Dark), but also in who deals what elemental damage. Like if they doubled down and made it so Pirhanna Plant had a bunch of moves that did Grass damage and Corrin being able to deal Water damage. Maybe even introduce new elements, like if Corrin could also do Dragon damage, but Jigglypuff resists Dragon attacks. Also you could have it so Isaac Golden Sun is added and he does a bunch of elemental shenanigans.
    I think removing the system outright was the smart move, but man, if you're gonna be weird and experimental at least double down on it.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      There would be some oddball ones for sure, especially since Pokemon really shouldn't have exclusive authority in determining Smash's types.
      Palutena and Mythra are doing Light damage, Peach and Zelda deal some Magic, some characters might have a totally unique element that nobody else has, like Bayonetta having Umbral element attacks, or Rosalina having Astral damage, which is going to uniquely define their matchups.
      And maybe it gets weirder. Do Ganondorf, Sephiroth, and White Pikmin REALLY do the same "dark" damage? Is it the same or different to Incineroar's Darkest Lariat, or Mewtwo's Shadow Ball?
      Is Mewtwo's psychic stuff the same as the Mother psychic stuff?
      Is a bite attack slashing, piercing, or bludgeoning?
      Are Ike and Cloud's swords slashing or blunt?
      Is Aura its own type, or just Fighting?
      Is every standard attack in the game Fighting or Normal?
      Are swords Steel?
      Does Yoshi have an Egg type?
      Does Game and Watch deal Slashing with his hammers and such, because they're two dimensional?

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      See, I hard agree with this sentiment. They just didn't have to go SO hard with the type weakness stuff. It can be smaller things, like inflicts slightly more percent or maybe the "super effective" move doesn't withhold its knockback & percent staling. For some reason they went with "lets make them either die or survive more 10% of the time" and to me that is ABSURD

    • @DyxoXinoro
      @DyxoXinoro 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 bro out herr asking the real questions.

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Maybe a side mode but that would be terrible for the main game

    • @Gnarfledarf
      @Gnarfledarf 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@aprinnyonbreak1290 In Smash for 3DS, Darkness is actually treated as Fire, as Chandelure absorbs both elements, even though it's only supposed to absorb Fire.

  • @TheLobsterCopter5000
    @TheLobsterCopter5000 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    7:41 That's not what that passage means. There are 11 "types" of attacks in the Subspace Emissary, and each enemy has programmed weaknesses and resistances to each of the types. For example Fire Primids resist fire and projectile attacks, but are weak to slash, ice and water attacks. The passage on screen is stating that every enemy that has a resistance/weakness to slash attacks has the same resistance/weakness to grass attacks...except the Primid family for some reason.

  • @shannonjones8877
    @shannonjones8877 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I'm honestly surprised they didn't make Squirtle and Charizard also weak to electricity. But this is not surprising considering we're talking about Brawl lol.

  • @VioletLunaChan
    @VioletLunaChan 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I legit thought Olimar and purple Pikmin count as Grass-damage when I was a child and I'm still shocked they don't. I get the Pikmins are supposed to have different elements, but the fact that they ARE plants and have not any Grass-damage in the whole kit bothers me alot.

  • @Color_Splsh
    @Color_Splsh 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Imagine if they went all out with the pokemon type mechanic. Give every fighter and their moves a type that only interacts against pokemon characters.
    Like, sure dude. Make ganondorf a dark/fighting type and make him take 4x damage from jigglypuff rest (a psychic type move).
    Or sure, make charizard take normal damage from ice moves due to being fire/flying

  • @Tuckzelda
    @Tuckzelda 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    i lit up when i heard the fucking madagascar gamecube soundtrack lmfaooo

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I was watching the Coney/Alpharad stream live like a month ago and immediately grabbed the OST, the Gloria stages are all such bops

    • @hedgehugs
      @hedgehugs 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      nice that I'm one of 5 people on the earth that knew it was from the Madagascar video game lol

  • @Ten_Thousand_Locusts
    @Ten_Thousand_Locusts 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Good stuff, I was vaguely aware of Brawl's elemental attack stuff. This video did a really good job in clarifying it.

  • @celestialwaffle1491
    @celestialwaffle1491 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This guy has the craziest background music if you check where it comes from, but it works so well.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      SO many games have such good OSTs that are basically lost to time. I make an effort to find the best of the best and use them, since they were made to be heard :)

  • @LRXC1
    @LRXC1 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This is another legendary video by you! I love this stuff so much!

  • @krubbington
    @krubbington 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great video, love how you even brought up Subspace. I love finding out about mechanical quirks in the adventure modes or other modes in general. Keep up the good work my dude

  • @drstclair
    @drstclair 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    This channel helped me get back into learning about Brawl tech.

  • @piku2able
    @piku2able 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Thanks to youtube for showing me all your vids since the first one:)

  • @sundaesunday4453
    @sundaesunday4453 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Amazing content dude! You’re like a brawl Asum sauce! And that’s a huge honor

  • @fareezy
    @fareezy 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Bro you’re putting out the best smash content nowadays, ur like the asumsaus of brawl. Keep it up man love these vids
    Also the seinfeld pop up is hilarious, loved that

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I added that at like 8am this morning(had NOT slept yet) so I'm glad its a hit LOLL thank you for the nice words!!

  • @octo_gab
    @octo_gab 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    if there ever comes a video about non-functioning moves, Pit N-air takes one of the top spots since it’s a multihit that basically hits only once, and is just outclassed by every other aerial in his kit

  • @poobalou
    @poobalou 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

    ROBOQUEST MUSIC USED RAAAAAHHHHH🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @redyoshi777
    @redyoshi777 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    this channel was literally JUST started and im already hyped when i see an upload

  • @laricus3647
    @laricus3647 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Saw your vids first with Coney, but they're so good I had to come back and make sure I watched them again. You deserve the views!!

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks so much for stopping by!!!!!

  • @BlueKnight117
    @BlueKnight117 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +65

    wake up babe new brawlternative video dropped

  • @oxideking3011
    @oxideking3011 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    No wonder I was raging on this level with a lot of fire in the subspace emissary when you play Bulbizar for the first time.

  • @MantaRaydiated
    @MantaRaydiated 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video also hearing Neon White AND World of Horror tunes makes me very very happy, great music taste.

  • @KrebsTLegend
    @KrebsTLegend 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Holy cow such thorough research and W editing. Great stuff yet again 🙌

  • @--Glory--
    @--Glory-- 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +99

    ivysaur more like um uh uh um pissosaur!!!!!!!!!!

  • @DJ_CARCINOGEN
    @DJ_CARCINOGEN 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Project M really did magic with Ivysaur. They made him so much fun.

  • @hesho24
    @hesho24 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You’re a legend for bothering to list all the music used in the video. You’d be surprised at how many really big channels don’t do that and it drives me crazy. Many a song that low key kinda went crazy in the background of a video have been lost to time that way

  • @343Films
    @343Films 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Knew you'd make a video covering this at some point. Didn't know it'd be such a banger 🔥

  • @christianred9730
    @christianred9730 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Its also worth noting his up smash is strong, yet so slow and makes you really vulnerable. His up and down air attacks are good but they have a lot of end lag too. He's just an overall difficult character to play and win with.

  • @randoomingnope7574
    @randoomingnope7574 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    The characteristic or 'flag' of a move that determinants if an attack has a centain element is also used for displaying a certain effect if you hit an enemy with it. Looks like the devs cared more about displaying some flames than Ivysaur.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It feels unfinished doesn't it? Since "fire" is a lot more naturally occurring in Smash than "grass" or "water" it feels like they threw it in as a "stretch goal" then forgot to take it out when in crunch lol

  • @Nyto98
    @Nyto98 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I just discover this channel. We love brawl. Thank you. And greetings from Spain, keep it the great work and content ✨

  • @PorLoaf
    @PorLoaf 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    On one hand I'm happy to be watching such good content while it's fresh. On the other I wish I found this channel later so I could binge a load of your videos
    Loving your work man, keep it up!

  • @QuinnActually
    @QuinnActually 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    holy shit NES pictionary OST usage, fuck yeah

  • @foohawesom
    @foohawesom 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    world of horror outro so scary

  • @MonkeyCatPaw
    @MonkeyCatPaw 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Nice video, love the noisecream intro music! Love that guy

  • @errord5127
    @errord5127 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    YESSIR you making me look forward to every Thursdays. Amazing video as always SUBSPACE EMISSARY MENTIONED. We are now one step closer to a subspace emissary video lol

  • @TheRedStinger82
    @TheRedStinger82 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Wake up! New Brawlternative upload!

  • @d4nkey
    @d4nkey 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Ivysaur was a sleeping beast waiting for ultimate

  • @d.s.alcoda
    @d.s.alcoda 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    your content is so good its insane

  • @ahbeef
    @ahbeef 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    your bgm picks are always so good

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I put a lot of time and effort into finding/implementing good ones!! thanks so much!!

  • @isaacatoz7872
    @isaacatoz7872 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    Wake up babe, Brawlternative posted

  • @_hurglet
    @_hurglet 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    what id ivysaur was called freakysaur and instead of vine whip he had regular whip

  • @mimic_ssb
    @mimic_ssb 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This video was good!
    Excited for more :)

  • @Lakitu1134
    @Lakitu1134 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This was a fantastic video. As a kid I loved playing Ivysaur in Brawl, loved the changes the Project M team made to it, and loved the massive buffs Ultimate gave to it. Nice to see it spotlighted on this channel!

  • @PuppetMasterIX
    @PuppetMasterIX 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    7:45 To elaborate on the text here, it's saying that all enemies except Primids (actually, all types of Primids except Sword Primid) have paired damage resistances for grass- and slash-attacks; i.e. if their slash damage resistance is 1.0x, their grass resistance is also 1.0x. That being said, the point here still stands, as the only enemies who take anything above 1.0x damage from grass are enemies who are uniformly weak to all damage types (ex. Floow).

  • @ourboyfoxy
    @ourboyfoxy 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is gonna sound insane but i love this content so much because lately i've been mega into playing brawl with gecko codes on it to do things like remove landing lag, hitstun canceling, give way more hitstun + gravity, among other things
    it's some of the most fun i've had with a smash game lol, it's like the vanilla brawl experience with actual combos
    ur content has been so valuable for learning and knowing more niche interesting things about brawl, even on a topic like this one where i knew most things, i didn't know that dying didn't fully restore stamina LOL that sucks so bad...
    thank u so much and keep making such great videos!!

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      thanks so much for the kind words :) even casually, Brawl is such a fun game and has obtained even more content thru Dolphin, it's so much fun to mess with stuff 😭

  • @AgentAaron101
    @AgentAaron101 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That World of Horror ost as the outro 😍😍 For real tho, you got excellent choices of background ost.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Had the game open while rendering the first version of the video, and was like oh the Home theme would be sick for an outro lol

  • @cinnabread9306
    @cinnabread9306 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Just now found your channel, love your content! Would love to see a deep dive on unplayable characters in Brawl, like say Primids/other SSE charavters/enemies. Or Master/Crazy Hand. Maybe what they could be like as genuine characters, I've always found that concept pretty cool. Keep up the nice content :>

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This is actually not a bad idea, threw it on the list :) thanks for the input!!

  • @eslamvszombies1713
    @eslamvszombies1713 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Awesome video. Next video idea: Talk about DACUS and rank them from worst to best or just which one are good and which are not

  • @MenwithHill
    @MenwithHill 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Its crazy how much insanity there is in this game when you open the hood just a little bit. Love your channel man, keep it up.

  • @ajuicejemas
    @ajuicejemas 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    god this channel is such a new gem of Smash knowledge, please keep making more!

  • @12Fakeaccount
    @12Fakeaccount 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Quickly falling in love with your channel. 4 videos in and you're a click-on-sight for me. Thank you for making great content!

  • @YanOnYT
    @YanOnYT 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Always loving content! Keep it up ✨

  • @AlinaAniretake
    @AlinaAniretake 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did I just heard music from Madagascar Game? You're a man of culture!

  • @joe_the_zombie
    @joe_the_zombie 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    BRO ROBOQUEST MUSIC IN YOUR INTRO IS A POWER MOVE. That music is so damn good and im glad to meet more cultured people on the Internet lol. Also, banger content, well earned sub.

  • @johnstevenson3628
    @johnstevenson3628 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    God I love your call-to-action moments. (3:00) They are always great moments since they aren’t obnoxious while achieving your objective. The goofy style of this one was hilarious. I truly hope that they work because your content is top notch. Keep up the great work. 👍🏻

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      They actually do!!! Maybe not as well as a blatant one, but they certainly bring it a little bit more numbers which is nice :) I try to have fun with it, I noticed the "elemental effects" section was a bit boring for people who know that already so I thought i'd throw in an interesting distraction there. Glad it's not coming across as annoying!!!

    • @johnstevenson3628
      @johnstevenson3628 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Brawlternative The only thing that could ever be portrayed as annoying is how many exclamation marks you use in your comments lol. Everything else is perfect. Hope your channel keeps growing and that you continue to put out great content. Keep up the great work. 👍

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@johnstevenson3628 sorry! i love exclamation marks! i had to hold back for this comment! thanks for the nice words :)

    • @johnstevenson3628
      @johnstevenson3628 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Sidenote: Your editing style and quality of work is arguably a massive reason for your rapid growth. So I wanted to asked, what made you get into editing and how’d you get so good at it? Additionally, what software do you use/recommend? I’m always curious to see the process behind the work. Anyways, thanks for your time.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@johnstevenson3628 Hey, thanks so much for the kind words! I’m a professional graphic designer and I’ve been in the esports industry doing tournament production stuff(usually overlay and asset production, not running the stream/tournament itself) for a very long time so I’m pretty familiar with the market and my main demographic. I picked up editing about a year ago, but I’ve been told my workflow is unusual since i mostly try to apply static graphic design principles to my work instead of what someone with a video background would think to do(which is why my videos have a somewhat “unified” feel in presentation, which I’d like to move away from a bit in the future). I use the full Adobe suite of programs, but my videos are like 30/70 photoshop/premiere with some after effects sprinkled in if i need something specific i can’t do in Premiere. Thanks for your interest in my work :)

  • @jackfrost884
    @jackfrost884 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The production values are great

  • @Pan_Z
    @Pan_Z 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is such a high-effort way of presenting information that may be useful three times at most in my life. It's very entertaining, and I wish it wasn't so I would use my finite time on this Earth better.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The information used to be great at parties(but Brawl is not usually at parties anymore)

  • @PSIclops_
    @PSIclops_ 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Killer music choices in this vid. No other youtube video would use Pictionary and World of Horror music in the same vid

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I really try to find & implement choice cuts for the soundtrack to my videos! I always feel like it gives it a different vibe than using, like, Xenoblade Chronicles 3 Brilliant Wings (which is a banger in its own right, but overused lol) thanks for the kind words!!

  • @mattterway6487
    @mattterway6487 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    was not expecting the mf world of horror city screen music at the end. Im very glad I subscribed.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      almost used Hospital Combat but it was too spooky scary for an outro

  • @gobbagoo
    @gobbagoo 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Okay I like the sub pop up ngl it feels like the old school tv ads about a show coming on

  • @MrGamemaker8
    @MrGamemaker8 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey hey Neon White music. Also wonderful topic to talk about

  • @inphlox
    @inphlox 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video!

  • @HitoriSanzo
    @HitoriSanzo 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I can't help but feel this amazing editing is lost in brawl content lmao, thanks bro

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It certainly helps that Brawlternative is a passion project lol, hoping to branch out in the future! Thanks for the kind words :)

  • @chastermief839
    @chastermief839 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love the use of the Roboquest soundtrack in the opening. You even synced up the drop to the channel intro, mad respect.
    EDIT: oh shit and Neon White?! goated.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I was so proud of the second "drop" hitting right when I start explaining Stamina lol. Using the Roboquest OST felt like cheating, the hype is baked in

  • @brysonmcfaull1218
    @brysonmcfaull1218 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I know you didnt just come out of nowhere with a consistent release schedule, top tier editing, and strong visual branding/style. How many vidoes do you have in the backlog ready to release in another week? How many more scripts in development? How long have you been planning all this? You've come out the gate to the smash youtube scene fucking *swinging*, not to mention the fact that you're hitting too. I just find your thoroughness here really impressive.

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      The first two were ready for about 5 months before I posted the first one to give me time to figure out content strategy, branding, etc etc. The most recent 2 have been coming out in real time! I have fun with the edits(and don't have much of a social life) so it's a good time :) thanks for such kind words!!!!

  • @natsamtan246
    @natsamtan246 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is the way to do sub reminders, so classy and brief.

  • @tobyshaw5839
    @tobyshaw5839 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really enjoyed the video, but the music was a bit distracting at the start, maybe just a little quieter? Keep it up, I love your content so far :)

    • @Brawlternative
      @Brawlternative  11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I've gotten a couple comments like this, that's my bad! I'll turn it down a bit for the next one. That Roboquest OST just gets me hyped up LOL

  • @liber2350
    @liber2350 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fire list was so long that an ad started in the middle of it

  • @justinlewis760
    @justinlewis760 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I didn't ever really play Brawl, but your videos are so entertaining I still watch all of them

  • @llmkursk8254
    @llmkursk8254 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey, I noticed that Pictionary NES Title Theme! Good choice.

  • @Jamm7
    @Jamm7 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    More brawl video, we love to see them

  • @electricgoose4691
    @electricgoose4691 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Love the content, never played brawl but I love its history and jank.

  • @Andrzejkl94
    @Andrzejkl94 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I love these Brawl videos

  • @lewisspring35
    @lewisspring35 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Then we have Ultimate Ivysaur with his GIGANTIC hitboxes on his U-Air and D-Air.

  • @Neptunequeen42
    @Neptunequeen42 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This busted elemental spread really makes you appreciate the 'weirder' picks for elemental attacks in Ultimate. They went the extra mile because this situation was clearly haunting them. They even made blue pikmin do water damage.