Completely agree. However, that just makes collegiate sports match right up with the rest of the world we live in in 2024. The love of money is the root of all evil!
Spot on comment! I'm about done with watching it all together. Especially as it's gotten to the point of basically always seeing the same teams at the top and in the playoffs. Who can pay players the most to stay up there. Very unlikely we'll see teams like GT ever win another NC. Or even new teams that have ever won one. Fun fact: The last team to ever win their first NC was the Gators in 1996. Since then it has been all repeats.
The line about "quit listening to ND" is so spot on. I can not for the life of me figure out why everyone does not realize ND is the most self serving player in all of this. Any thing they say, or advice they give, is only geared to what is best for them. One of the worse things the ACC did was letting them in.
Notre Dame independent, I wouldn't listen to them. They are like U of Texas, Ohio St, Bamma,,and Much bullies taking most of the money, and making thier own deals.
ND is a cash cow with more big Dic$ energy than all the ACC teams combined. Worse thing the ACC did was letting them in??? Na... ask Duke, Wake, and any other team in the ACC when the ONLY time they ever have sold out a stadium? Ask the other the teams in the ACC what games have the most viewership?? Ill give you a hint.... its a catholic school in Indiana. Its about money, and ND has and always will have it.
@@lorenzohaynes3886 Something switched NCSTATE's vote and got the super-majority over objections by 3 important members. It was reported that the members were furious at ND for pushing the +3 while not joining and demanded adding more games to the scheduling agreement, which ND refused. ND had to sweeten the pot some way.
I saw mention of the SWC. That was a terrific pass slinging conference with all the Texas schools. I am old enough to remember that. All this mess started when it broke up. A few schools moved around. Then the poaching. SEC grabbed Arkansas and South Carolina, later Missouri. That made other conferences add/subtract. Basically this is done for football. If the ACC folds it will end one of the great basketball rivalries. It is a shame that money is ruining college sports.
I hate it when people act like being in a different conference automatically ends rivalries. Surely you're old enough to remember when FSU, UF, and Miami(FL) were all in different conferences. It's a shame FSU and UF never play and FSU only played Miami(FL) after they joined the ACC in 2004 /sarcasm. UVA/VT didn't exist before VT joined the ACC. Louisville doesn't have a rivalry with Kentucky. UGA/GT? Doesn't exist. Rivalries exist regardless of conference affiliation! Get a clue!
@@encycl07pedia- I hate it when people do not know the true meaning of rivalry. As a Clemson fan, South Carolina is not our only rivalry. Our rivalries include Georgia Tech which dates back to the John Heisman days, the Textile Bowl, which is when Clemson and North Carolina State, or even the O'Rourke-McFadden Trophy which goes to the winner of the Clemson/Boston College game. Clemson used to play Georgia but because the SEC needed to expand, that annual rivalry came to an end. Oh yeah, what happened to Texas A&M and Texas? That ended after A&M moved to the SEC. Why don't you get a clue!
@@Rewster68 No, SCAR is just your main rival.Just because a game has a trophy doesn't make you real rivals. I mean you even proved it with your Clemson/BC comment. You talk about the true meaning of rivalry but bring up Clemson?BC. Are you really this dense? TAMU ran away from Texas. Why would the rivalry continue when TAMU left just to get away from Texas? Maybe you should cry about Clemson not maintaining OOC rivalries. Being in different conferences makes rivalries harder to maintain, not impossible.
The single biggest value the ACC has is thst there's four arch-rivals to SEC teams in the league. In this changing landscape, this means the ACC's real value is contingent on how close they can remain to the SEC.
Being a big Halloween /spooky fanatic I love the logo concept but I would decorate it like a sugar skull with football symbols on it and maybe lose the hat and scarf. Nice channel.
ESPN doesn't care if FSU & likely soon to be Clemson are tied up in legal battles. ESPN just cares about getting their content for a low price, which is what they have in the ACC deal. In fact, all the legal stuff gives ESPN more stuff to talk about with all their talking heads & plethora of shows during the season & off season. They need to fill a lot of hours & conference alignment talk/legal wrangling garners interest.
FSU is on the verge of being insignificant again. The powerhouse window is closing fast. Miami will offer so much more national viewership as the ACC powerhouse. People love to watch the much hated Hurricanes. No other ACC team is such a brand to love or hate, they might just go independent and buy their own network.
Not sure about Miami having stronger brand than FSU at the current but I agree that when they are good, people love to watch them whether it be a reason they love them or hate them. I will say this, I think there’s something there that is underrated in what you said, Miami, if ACC implodes could go the independent route as they had been before and won 3 NC’s with an independent schedule. Miami is embedded in the most fertile recruiting ground in the nation and is located in a major tv market South Florida, I don’t see them going away for good like some people have hoped.
No matter what anyone thinks, or says… When it’s all said, and done there will only be 2 major power conferences. College football will eventually be set up similar to the NFL.
And that league will loses millions of TV viewers in the process. If you're not a fan of those 40 plus schools, why would you ever watch them again? It's pride and the illusion/delusion that all of FBS is at the same level that keeps ALL fans engaged throughout the year. Strip that illusion and you'll lose a large percentage of the TV audience.
i disagree. There will only be 2 major power conferences. BUT it will not be like the NFL. There will still be smaller conferences. Big 12 will be like "mid majors" in college basketball. The football equivalent to Atlantic 10 or WCC (I think is the one with Gonzaga). Playoffs will include at least one or two "non power" teams aka Cinderellas. Saying it will be like NFL is saying Big 10 and SEC will be ONLY two conferences and will have their own playoffs and their champs will play for the title. That would be TERRIBLE for college football and cost college football ALOT of viewers and money.
They will have 4 power conferences if your not in one of them probably going to be left out they been talking about this for 3 years now and if you get left out you won't be in the cfp
There needs to be NFL style playoff as well. Get the sports writers out of the voting. As unlikely as it is, they cannot stand the thoughts of 2 unknown schools making the championship game.
The media deal and the GoR are completely separate documents. The GoR have the conference the right to negotiate the deal with ESPN for every member institution. The media deal ending doesn't void the GoR. It does give the institutions more grounds to litigate.
The ACC has been done as a Louisville guy I’ve seen this movie before. remember BIG EAST 🏈 once teams start fighting to get out ur done we have already taken on the dead weight of Cal and Stanford and bringing up AAC/CUSA teams are not a option anymore. Everything worth anything has already been grabbed up. What’s left Tulane? We would no longer be a power five if Clem,FSU,UNC,even VT It’s hard enough when we have UK in state getting a 51M check last week from the SEC! Vandy had 3 wins and still got it without a power 5 win
If i recall correctly, L'VILLE was one of the biggest supporters of adding the +3. That expansion and FSU's litigation were just the public confirmation that the ACC will deplete out, most likely down to the new BIG12's Tier 2 level.
@@tarheel7406 personally I don’t wanna play games on the west coast it was all for tv markets in those regions I did like the addition of SMU looking at just the QB’s the ACC could have to most competitive season since we joined even Miami’s got a great quarterback then fold in 2025 just like PAC12
@@AJD-LsUp If my memory of then reporting is correct, L'VILLE prefers adding some west coast teams over moving to the new BIG12. I suspect that the L'VILLE Administration never thought it would ever be associated with T-Road and now CALFORD? Presidents make these decisions. Academic branding will be an advantage in Tier 2 football recruiting.
I think it's 2027. Of course the Acc is not sitting idle by. Most schools don't want to leave. The truth of the matter is, ESPN is struggling and wants to save money anyway they can. There are other networks, the Big 10 has already left ESPN.
Do you know how boring watching the 12 playoff would be with only 2 conferences playing each other. 5th place teams from 2 conferences playing in a playoff. Wow, I think the Acc and Big 12 has the cards. With out them 2 conferences aren't viable and much of the country doesn't care. The Acc is in a position to get whatever they want. If they couldnt, you and ESPN wouldn't be so interested in wanting them destroyed. The rich Acc doesn't need espn. Fsu may, Smu,Stanford dont.
ESPN and the SEC have a stranglehold on college football…. I agree that college athletic programs should not bounce from conference to conference for any minor detail or reason. The conference exit fee requires the university programs to analyze and make a good decision, however the current buyout conference exit fees are ridiculous.
He squirming like Fsu is realizing they messed up and are on a limb by themselves. The Acc and Big 12 hold all the cards. The Sec and Big 10 are in a panic too. They realize if the Acc doesn't voluntarily fold they could be in trouble. There moves are all based on everyone else being bullied by them. If ESPN got it to where they only have the Sec. They can greatly reduce their payout.
Kind of agree. The 2nd point makes little sense. A watered down ACC which might look weaker than the existing B12 really has no future. The ACC will fight like hell to prevent this. Now, there will be a point where this will get resolved but I don't necessarily think it's happening any time soon - meaning in the next six months. And he shouldn't confuse the SEC and B1G going in on some platform development to mean that they're suddenly one and the same. Not true. They're still enemies when it comes to property acquisition and don't forget it. ESPN if shutting down the ACC is losing several properties to the B1G - and they currently own those rights and don't have to do anything to continue owning them. End the ACC and risk losing someone you want to keep. ESPN would have to basically "tamper" for a better word - meaning get new signed GOR's from everyone in the ACC who they wish to have in the SEC ahead of time, with the SEC in agreement that they'll take those schools in and then lower the boom on the ACC. Then you'd just have new litigation ensue - from the ACC and probably even the B1G claiming that espn is trying to monopolize the sport by leveraging in schools that they have no legal right to leverage into another league. That'd get real messy!
If they get ND and the G5 to go with them, the other schools can still have their own playoff and own "National Champion" until the Big 2 agree to play a "unification" championship with them for big $$$$. They are going to get less money either way, why not do it in a way where you are not the lapdog?
Right, the Acc and Big 12 hold a lot of cards right now. Fsu made a bad, dumb move now they are sweating out on the limb. The Acc and Big 12 don't need the other 2 conferences. There are G5 schools that can go with them and turn into major players. Unless the Acc which is in the most populous areas of the country, roll over and decide to leave, they hold the upper hand. They are in the most politically powerful states too. If the Acc decides to play hardball. They are going to become top dog. The smaller Sec states can't keep up. The Acc has the political power and the money, plus the population.
FSU made a terrible move in trying to make 30 million extra per year. Some fans are so stupid this is not happening in the dark. FSU is getting recruited. You think the Pac 12 just decided to dissolve and end the historic Rose Bowl??? ESPN and FOX are working together to force the best schools into two leagues. Notre Dame will probably take an even bigger cut of ACC money after the schools that keep them in check aka FSU leave. ND is making a total mockery of the ACC by forcing them to add ND schedule filler who are so sorry they won't even take money. The majority of ACC teams are going to lose massive amounts of money sending teams to California to play in games no one will watch on TV. The ACC is going global with Raycom sports and large populations who don't care about their teams enough to fill a stadium look out world 😂 FSU needs out as fast as possible it's just getting sad at how delusional these ACC leeches are. ND is not going to be nearly as generous as FSU was. The travel cost of playing Cal and Stanford is going to bankrupt most ACC schools into becoming basketball only. It's a proven formula ND already did it to the Big East 😂
@@EyeOfTheWatcher and that's exactly what will happen. In a decade, all of these TV executives will say " Why is our CFB viewership down?"....because they will have ostracized a larger percentage of the current FBS fanbase. Hopefully they aren't that stupid and realize that more schools and conferences involved = more fans and larger national TV audiences
What happens to the ESPN media deal if the ACC lets FSU negotiate it's way out? It would seem to me that at that point ESPN would be able to pull the lever immediately.
I wonder if at some point the SEC and BIG10 start shedding dead weight to bring in more valuable football programs. I could see the SEC wanting to replace Vanderbilt and Miss State with better programs and the BIG10 ditching Rutgers and Maryland.
@@user-nt7eo2vf5f except football drives the bus and those schools haven’t really performed. A lacrosse championship doesn’t bring any revenue. I doubt contraction has ever been discussed but after you put all the best football programs in a conference and max out their value, the only thing left to do is dump the programs that don’t bring value. Additionally, with the popularity of streaming growing there is no value in having a program like Rutgers because of the NY media market, like there was 10 years ago.
As a fan of Cuse and northeast football schools in general, I gotta be concerned that the SEC will poach the marketable schools (FSU/Clemson/UM, etc), while the B1G doesn't see enough value in adding Pitt, Cuse and BC, leaving them and some of the mid Atlantic ACC schools hanging.
These are the same people that will try tell me nd is irrelevant 😂 we live rent free in everyone’s heads and we are a stand alone brand bigger than most conferences 😂😂 😂😂 ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
I don't see any more big changes until college football and the networks decide to blow it all up to form a separate college football league. College football and the networks know that football is a unique beast and will have to separated off from its other sports. Until then ESPN will keep riding that sweetheart acc contract to the bank. FSU is going to spend a ton of money just to end up in the same new college reality that they would have anyway just a lot poorer for its impatience.
Why would Florida’s st want to go to the sec or big10 when they like Missouri just be another mid level university in those conferences. It’s not like they are a basketball powerhouse either.
I know. The ACC is home. A true North Carolina cultural element. The people that hate on the ACC are the same people that pull for the SEC or big 10 for the fun of it.
Personally I believe the ACC, as constructed, is not worth what the big two are. If so why wouldn’t the ACC tear up the Grant of Rights and create a new contract with much higher payouts. I suspect that option, if available, would be better for all.
Sorry, I’m somewhat confused. You’re saying the ACC needs to play ball and you’re also saying ESPN holds all the cards. Which is it? It seems to me if ESPN holds all the cards then they should be the one giving the ACC direction not the other way around. It seems to me the battle here is between FSU and ESPN. FSU could have paid the exit fee to leave the ACC long ago, it’s the grant of rights ESPN controls that’s the issue. It would be difficult for the ACC to work a new deal with ESPN until this mess is over with and the ACC actually knows who is still in the conference.
Espn could be in deep trouble with the courts because this would be the third conference which they personally had a hand in dismantling a conference in college football. Also sec big ten do decide to leave ncaa might be violating antitrust laws
Zero concerns about this. The conference was dumb enough to sign a contract that lets ESPN bounce. Executing what is in a contract is not anti trust. Also the SEC and BIG10 are arms length away from tv networks, separated by a temporary contract.
@@CFBAddiction look up the laws anything that causes anti competitive situations which ESPN is doing to the acc if they walk on them at this juncture is a violation of antitrust laws in several states. Not disagreeing with u acc did put themselves in this position but this is the third conference they have done it too and history can prove they have done it and in court they will be found guilty. Why u think they r staying away from this. Another example of this is the PGA tour vs liv golf
High school football should be the next college football where actual kids from their hometown play and represent their schools for free (( UNTIL THAT GETS CORRUPTED AS WELL )) . College FOOTBALL as we know it is dead its the triple A of the Nfl. Next their will be only 2 conferences like the AFC and NFC , then 16 game playoffs and you better BELIEVE since players are getting paid now the NCCA will add more games to the schedule we will go from 12 to possibly 16 games in the next 5 years mark my words.
It sounds like you're expressing frustration about the perceived favoritism of ESPN towards the SEC over the ACC in college sports coverage, particularly football. It's true that ESPN, like any media organization, may have preferences or biases in their coverage based on various factors including audience size, historical success of certain conferences, and financial considerations. The SEC has historically been a powerhouse in college football, boasting strong teams and passionate fan bases. This can lead to higher viewership and therefore more lucrative broadcasting deals for ESPN. However, it's important to recognize that ESPN's decisions are ultimately driven by business considerations, and they may prioritize certain conferences or teams based on what they believe will generate the most revenue. That being said, it's understandable that fans of ACC teams like Florida State, Clemson, and Miami may feel frustrated if they perceive that their conference is being unfairly overshadowed by the SEC. It's also worth noting that success in college football can be cyclical, and teams from any conference have the potential to compete at the highest levels with the right coaching, recruiting, and resources. Ultimately, while it's natural for fans to want their favorite teams to receive fair recognition and opportunities, the dynamics of college sports broadcasting can be complex and influenced by numerous factors beyond just on-field performance.
If ESPN passes on the contract extension then the ACC would be free to shop the media rights to FOX, CBS, NBC, etc., similar to the type of setup the B1G has. If none of them buys the GoR from the ACC, then the ACC would disappear, or it would be very cheap to buy itself out of the GoR-- or even free-- since the GoR's value is based on the future value of media rights through 2036.
They’ll be done as a conference since they’ve made themselves damaged goods. And everyone knows it, so there’s not going to be a Network bidding war. The ACC is Dead Man walking as a conference. Notre Dame’s out for themselves anyway with their sweet NBC exclusive deal they don’t share a penny with the conference. $26 million per year combined from NBC, and it’s ACC just for football alone. They get $15 million per year alone off NBC. I could care less what they think of the entire situation.
@@CFBAddiction That's the opinion of some, but others disagree and say the ACC GOR would still be in effect and a deal with another entity would simply replace it if one could be worked out. You should at least acknowledge that.
@elliottcrews4997 At this point, the only ones who are covered by the GOR are the ACC and ESPN for the current contract. The GOR gives the ACC the ability to negotiate a media deal for each member, if ESPN walks away from extension, the current deal is null and void. The ACC would then have to negotiate a new media deal and at least as far as FSU is concerned, would have to be voted on by the BOT. Unless they grant someone else the right to sign a new deal. Then the GOR would cover the new deal. The ACC is only granted rights through a contract and if the original deal was expired, they would be unable to enforce a GOR unless they have a new contract with FSU and the individual members.
Say what you will when this happens I'm done with all college sports. Along with alot of people around the US. I think the whole cfb is about to be done for.
Gotta love this guy....closest thing we have to an ultra conspiracy theorist with ncaa football and especially where the ACC is concerned. Expecting BigFoot on this channel any minute to give his view on this entire situation. :)
ESPN gains NOTHING by forcing a dying conference to go on... who will watch a bunch of teams in decline because they don't have the money to compete? The ACC has been sleep-walking though this new alignment era.
@@bradenm3yeah the AAU as the defining factor of school quality is either antiquated or disingenuous. FSU has improved substantially academically in recent years and has surpassed a few Big Ten schools in the US News ranking. I think the joint engineering school with FAMU is the thing holding them back from AAU admission and that’s not going anywhere. That being said, I hate the SEC as much as the next FSU fan but it just makes sense.
The pac-12 what's the most competitive conference last year I'm sad to see it break up, if you take away Alabama and Georgia the SEC just be a normal conference, and if you take away Michigan and Ohio State the big 10 would just be a boring conference.. it's sad how TV if using money to give a unfair advantage to overrated and boring conferences so other conference can't be great
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If the North Carolina court finds that FSU is not a signatory to the GOR due to the fact the FSU Board of Trustee's didn't approve the contract, then all FSU needs to do to leave the ACC is pay the exit fee of apx. $130 million. At that time FSU would be free to join any conference that excepts them. All other members of the ACC would be signatories to the GOR and would need to fight the ACC in court as FSU is doing now to exit the conference. The ACC would still be at the mercy of ESPN/Disney but would still have all the other schools. In other words, FSU could escape the ACC while all other schools are stuck until they fight for freedom as FSU has.
I can only assume you aren't a contract law attorney. FSU honored the contract for years. When two parties sign a contract each has to assume that the other's representatives are acting in good faith when everyone signs on the dotted line. It isn't the other party's responsibility to make sure the right rep. signed, it is the party signing. And then the conditions of the contract are followed by both parties for years. Come on Charlie. FSU is grasping at straws here.
Maybe, maybe not and I'm not an attorney. Just seems like a possibility that would save the ACC (until ESPN acts) while allowing FSU to exit. Food for thought regardless. I've seen the courts do crazy things of late. We will get out of the ACC regardless.@@elliottcrews4997
@@EyeOfTheWatcher the only school they may truly want is Clemson! Which leads to the question of who is the second school to keep the balance of conference. Which would probably be North Carolina. Because Florida is not going to want another in state school in SEC
Thinking SEC is going away, also B10, like the ACC, model doesn't make sense anymore. May as well create a league, with selected schools involved within conferences
This Semi-pro league belongs to ESPN. The ACC will bow to what ESPN wants. Please stop calling it college football because teams play on designated college campuses.
Another factor supporting your theory is that ESPN just forked out $7 billion for the playoff. They may want to get out of the ACC deal bc of all of the money they are now spending for playoff. Also, with expanded playoff, regular season, non power 2 games may not be worth that much money now.
Yea, because so many Sec programs actually beat Georgia…What? 1 in 3 years? Goddamn man. Sec fans have to be the stupidest people to every shit though an asshole😂😂
Very interesting video. Pac 12 has been destroyed, Big 12 has no National Championship type teams so it has been gutted. The ACC will be next. I didn't say I like it, I don't but it looks like its coming.
The Big XII hasn't had a Championship level team since Texas with Vince Young. What year was that again? Oklahoma... One and done in the CFP, even getting embarrassed when they got to the CFP.
You are unaware of the financial position ESPN currently exists. Disney cannot spend money on ESPN. Losing the ACC may be viewed as a benefit by Disney. Disney’s Hulu purchase, poor studio performance, cord cutting, and cable contracting is not going well.
I’m pretty familiar with Disney finances. They are doing just fine. They were breaking even though they’ve missed on a high % of recent movies and before the mass layoffs. They took a few quarters of loss intentionally (shifting expenses in instead of delaying them), but if you look at how much money they have had in their bank account all along, they have been perfectly fine.
They could pull that lever but no way they pull it. They pay the same as the Big XII is getting and yet they have much greater viewership even without Clemson, FSU, etc. Shoot even teams like NC State and GT pull as good as the better teams in the Big XII as currently composed. So just because they can...doesn't mean they will when they have such of a good deal. It would take at least 8 or 10 schools leaving.
Sir you better check yo math The Big12 was paid more last year and will be getting more this year than a ACC team also this was why FSU has been wanting to to get out and at one time look to move to the BIG 12 years ago. And the viewership only comes from FSU Clemson and NC. So please check your sources and research. Because you are wrong!
they will be LAST domino to fall in all this. Big 10 needs more than 1 ACC Southeast team if they want ND. ND WONT join SEC. ND MIGHT take partial deal with Big 12 if they have more Southeastern teams than Big 10 does.
So, if FSU wants to claim the contract was invalid from the signing, they would have to payback every dime they received from the ACC since the deal started, which is like 350M.
@@Will10111 They are the ones claiming the contract was invalid, that means it's void & they should have never been paid. They want to make that idiotic claim they will be paying back the 350M
That’s not true at all lol If the contract was invalid they’d have to pay FSU back as well as the other schools in the conference depending on the differences between what the schools paid to the ACC versus what they brought in.
@@grobble8954 That is blatantly false. With no valid contract, The ACC would not have had the rights to collect revenue on behalf of FSU in the first place. I'm not sure you thought this argument all the way through, bubba.
@@brianoliver8663 If the contract is invalid under Florida law , which is unique to them, it doesn't effect other schools. The invalid contract means the ACC never had FSU's GOR & FSU wasn't actually a member of the ACC, Thus FSU would be treated as if they were a team from another conference playing ACC schools. Schools don't get money for out of conference games unless it's contracted, which happens in pay games for lesser conference schools. FSU would owe every dime they received from the ACC. Around 350M
Big 12 has overall more value than ACC. Clemson, FSU MIA and maybe North Carolina. The entire state of Texas by itself is a major recruiting hub. Just ask Alabama.
ESPN cannot force FSU or others to the SEC. If either prefers the B1G, ESPN cannot force it. I think that the ACC will survive in a diminished status, since there are plenty of schools that have no other home. Neither the SEC nor the B1G will grow that much more. Both of those conferences only want teams that can pay their own way. At the most there will be three or four ACC teams (plus ND?) to those two leagues. How many teams will the Big 12 take? Add in the leftovers plus OrState and WaState and there will be a league, though clearly number 4 - by a lot.
"How many teams will the Big 12 take? " If the P2 only take 3 to 4 ACC teams, there's no reason for any remainder to move to the BIG12. Why else the +3 preemptive backfill?
@@DavidM442 One always should have Plans A through C. What university President leaves a viable association with DUKE, CAL & STANFORD for the new BIG12?
You are too smart and good at your job to continue to be shackled by your hatred/jealously of Miami. Keep you FSU bias and Miami hatred to your FSU channel...
For anyone that is unaware, this guy is a FSU fanboy. Take everything he says with a big box of salt. I'm going to laugh so hard when ESPN sends that letter to the ACC saying that they are all in for the media contact through 2036.
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@@CFBAddiction im quite sure its the Dallas market. But yea tv viewers tend to drop when you have 20 years of mediocrity. But when Miami is good, it’s really good there’s not very many teams in the country that are what Miami is when they’re rolling.
So does SMU play for free until the ACC blows up? We already know the Big 12 doesn't wan them,. It would be embarrassing for the Mustangs to beg the ACC to take them back. Still think they bought there way into the ACC,
espn in retrospect has fought the State of Florida...parent company Disney lost to Florida on the reedy creek deal. Moody is also going to fight the CFP committee and ESPN too. Its not IF FSU leaves its WHEN.
Point 2: so the ACC in order to survive must "play ball" which you think means they have to be willing to surrender their members to the other two mega conferences, the SEC and B1G in order to survive? Makes no sense. That's being a little too nice. (sarcasm included) You think the ACC looks like any kind of credible league if they lose Clemson, FSU, UNC, Miami, UVA along with anyone else those two want? What's the point of allowing this? So they can "Go Forward" and merge with the B12 or something? Sorry, doesn't sound like much of a future. So call it buddy! WHEN will this lever get pulled and the ACC go down the drain as it currently exists?
I just done believe that the ACC will end like the PAC. 1. ESPIN has spent a lot of money on the ACC Network. 2. I don't see any schools from the ACC degrading themselves to join the 12 +4 +4. As with the PAC schools that joined, they will feel like it's a disgrace. The Arizona schools and Utah all have said how degrading it is to be in that conference. 3. Why would ACC schools join a conference that the Voice of College Football shows every year that nobody watches. The 12 can barely get 1 million fans to view their games. Theybare the clear #4 in viewership. 4 After the raid of the ACC, the best academic schools will remain together, the 12 will take a big pay cut in its TV contract next go around. Who's gonna pay if nobody watches. The ACC will be hurt but fine, the will play in the G7 and be alright
@OSIRIS1980WHS No, the ACC will be raided by the BIG and SEC but to believe any of the will degrade themselves to join the trailer trash 🗑 conference is a mistake!!! Why, nobody watches that conference, nobody want to join it. The PAC schools joined just for the money because the BIG didn't save them. The 12 is a worthless conference that will have to join the G7. Why leave the ACC???
@@Canes-kh5bq I would simply say, what is the 12 now. A bunch of worthless football brands who play basketball. They would both be equal. The 12 +4 +4 is nothing more than the new AAC
@@buckeyeintexas4709 if the best academic school stay, then who will leave other than Florida State and Clemson. The ACC could easily make a claim to being the best academic conference in the country. I don’t know that there’s really anybody close as an entire conference goes. I know the big 10 likes to think they are but if you look at the entire roster of schools, it’s hard to beat the ACC from an academic standpoint.
ESPN has ALL of the cards, and they are not going to give up that deal. You are so wrong that it's not funny. ESPN owns them for a low cost and you think they want to give the ACC a break so they can go fish for more money....lol...you're laughable. The SEC nor the B1G needs any of the ACC teams. ESPN and FOX have all the teams they need in every major market. The exception would be Virginia and North Carolina and ESPN nor FOX needs those two to stay more powerful. You are playing "Wishful Thinking".....not happening. FSU and Miami don't add Florida...Clemson doesn't add South Carolina...Georgia Tech doesn't add Georgia....like I said it's not happening....you are right....you are absolutely not a lawyer.....you are clueless about the law it seems. The B1g has already rejected Stanford and California now you think they may want them. Geez....
FSU can go to another conference but it want be long before they will be bellyaching bout something in their new conference THAT is FSU in a nutshell always been that way
ACC will fold… Florida St. to the Big 10 and North Carolina, Clemson and Miami having to pick between the 2 and ND will likely go to the Bog 10 which monetarily will be Incredible for each Big 10 school! It may be sooner than we think
Miami did bend over for ND and voted to add Cal and Stanford. They definitely love the D. As a Nole, I never thought UNC and NC State would go into battle with us but at least some schools manned up
Florida State will not win the ACC suit nor will it get dismissed and FSU knows this. Their suit is simply a starting point for their negotiating their exit from the conference for a number less than $572M. BTW the Big 12 wants to see ACC succeed in their lawsuit bc they have their own GOR that binds their conference together so a judgement against a GOR will impact all conferences.
josephwofford5090 is right. We watched and learned nothing from this. Call your shot. When is that lever getting "pulled"? Give us a window. Done in a month? Six months? when????
They'll end up settling this shit ESPN makes way too much off of the ACC it's mainly a basketball conference again now people act like they gonna be hurting 😂😂
That seems to be the repeated misconception about the media deal. The ACC contract is actually the 3rd best in college football. It actually pays more that the B12's new deal and the B12 just recently renegotiated their contract. The chances of the ACC getting significantly more than they are currently getting if their contract had been a 5 or 10 year deal rather than a 20 year deal are slim. The problem is that the SEC and B10 contracts are so much better. But why are they so much better? Because those two conference's games regularly draw 2 million or more viewers. The ACC and B12 seldom see numbers like that. Why would any media company pay the ACC or B12 the same or nearly the same money? Sure everyone wants more money, but there is a reality here that some don't see.
@@cannon5041 The contract is through 2036, and has an opt out clause for ESPN in 2027. They have to notify the ACC within the next year if they want to exercise that opt out. There is a 4.5% minimum escalator provision in the contract as well. In 2026 the Raycom agreement ends which will mean about 3M more per school per year from ESPN and the ACC also has a separate ACCN deal with the conference that last year paid about $11M per school. So the ACC media deal isn't as bad as you might think.
College football greed ruined college sports in general it’s really disappointing!!!!
Yes it is really sad
I agree.
Completely agree. However, that just makes collegiate sports match right up with the rest of the world we live in in 2024. The love of money is the root of all evil!
Spot on comment! I'm about done with watching it all together. Especially as it's gotten to the point of basically always seeing the same teams at the top and in the playoffs. Who can pay players the most to stay up there. Very unlikely we'll see teams like GT ever win another NC. Or even new teams that have ever won one.
Fun fact: The last team to ever win their first NC was the Gators in 1996. Since then it has been all repeats.
The line about "quit listening to ND" is so spot on. I can not for the life of me figure out why everyone does not realize ND is the most self serving player in all of this. Any thing they say, or advice they give, is only geared to what is best for them. One of the worse things the ACC did was letting them in.
Most likely ND had to provide legal assurances of not leaving to get CAL, etc. invited.
Notre Dame independent, I wouldn't listen to them. They are like U of Texas, Ohio St, Bamma,,and Much bullies taking most of the money, and making thier own deals.
@@tarheel7406 I don't think Notre Dame had to go that far.
ND is a cash cow with more big Dic$ energy than all the ACC teams combined. Worse thing the ACC did was letting them in??? Na... ask Duke, Wake, and any other team in the ACC when the ONLY time they ever have sold out a stadium? Ask the other the teams in the ACC what games have the most viewership?? Ill give you a hint.... its a catholic school in Indiana. Its about money, and ND has and always will have it.
@@lorenzohaynes3886 Something switched NCSTATE's vote and got the super-majority over objections by 3 important members. It was reported that the members were furious at ND for pushing the +3 while not joining and demanded adding more games to the scheduling agreement, which ND refused. ND had to sweeten the pot some way.
ACC:"pull the lever Kronk"
ESPN:*Pulls a lever
ACC:"WRONG LEVERRRR!!!!"
I saw mention of the SWC. That was a terrific pass slinging conference with all the Texas schools.
I am old enough to remember that. All this mess started when it broke up. A few schools moved around. Then the poaching. SEC grabbed Arkansas and South Carolina, later Missouri. That made other conferences add/subtract.
Basically this is done for football. If the ACC folds it will end one of the great basketball rivalries. It is a shame that money is ruining college sports.
I hate it when people act like being in a different conference automatically ends rivalries. Surely you're old enough to remember when FSU, UF, and Miami(FL) were all in different conferences. It's a shame FSU and UF never play and FSU only played Miami(FL) after they joined the ACC in 2004 /sarcasm. UVA/VT didn't exist before VT joined the ACC. Louisville doesn't have a rivalry with Kentucky. UGA/GT? Doesn't exist.
Rivalries exist regardless of conference affiliation! Get a clue!
@@encycl07pedia- I hate it when people do not know the true meaning of rivalry. As a Clemson fan, South Carolina is not our only rivalry. Our rivalries include Georgia Tech which dates back to the John Heisman days, the Textile Bowl, which is when Clemson and North Carolina State, or even the O'Rourke-McFadden Trophy which goes to the winner of the Clemson/Boston College game. Clemson used to play Georgia but because the SEC needed to expand, that annual rivalry came to an end. Oh yeah, what happened to Texas A&M and Texas? That ended after A&M moved to the SEC. Why don't you get a clue!
@@Rewster68 No, SCAR is just your main rival.Just because a game has a trophy doesn't make you real rivals. I mean you even proved it with your Clemson/BC comment. You talk about the true meaning of rivalry but bring up Clemson?BC. Are you really this dense?
TAMU ran away from Texas. Why would the rivalry continue when TAMU left just to get away from Texas?
Maybe you should cry about Clemson not maintaining OOC rivalries. Being in different conferences makes rivalries harder to maintain, not impossible.
So, you're predicting a "MONOPOLY" by ESPN? Remember what happend Bell Telephone?
The single biggest value the ACC has is thst there's four arch-rivals to SEC teams in the league. In this changing landscape, this means the ACC's real value is contingent on how close they can remain to the SEC.
ACC = have a tv network that is owned by ESPN
Big 12 = no tv network to fall back upon. It is the Big 12 that can still be picked apart.
I enjoy the content here and at Double Fries. I still suggest changing the skull logo to a better CFB logo.
We not going to retire the skull, but are going to incorporate more logos soon and the skull will be merch only
Yeah don’t know how the skull relates to college football
Keep up the good work enjoy your program
Being a big Halloween /spooky fanatic I love the logo concept but I would decorate it like a sugar skull with football symbols on it and maybe lose the hat and scarf. Nice channel.
If the acc folds alot of people are done with college sports and I'm one of them.
What if it’s better after all the change?
Well bye
Your days are numbered then.
@@davebryant8050 man I hope they don't go broke without you
Definitely gonna be no more, SMU is in the ACC, not gonna last. Fans are getting younger, complete reshuffle won't be a shock to them
ESPN doesn't care if FSU & likely soon to be Clemson are tied up in legal battles. ESPN just cares about getting their content for a low price, which is what they have in the ACC deal. In fact, all the legal stuff gives
ESPN more stuff to talk about with all their talking heads & plethora of shows during the season & off season. They need to fill a lot of hours & conference alignment talk/legal wrangling garners interest.
@@davebryant8050buffstreams my friend…buffstreams
Time for some of the ACC schools to drop Division 1 football and either form another conference or join the Big East for everything except football
A National Championship without Alabama, Georgia, Texas, LSU, OSU, Michigan, PSU, USC and probably FSU. That has the credibility of the XFL.
The big east ain't coming back😂😂😂😂
@@TheLaron2006 Sick of football. Current Big East teams have won 7 national basketball championships in the last 20 years
@@TheLaron2006 I don’t think the comment was referring to Big East football coming back
I'm guessing you also think Oregon State and Wazzu should also drop D1 football 🙄
FSU is on the verge of being insignificant again. The powerhouse window is closing fast. Miami will offer so much more national viewership as the ACC powerhouse. People love to watch the much hated Hurricanes. No other ACC team is such a brand to love or hate, they might just go independent and buy their own network.
Not sure about Miami having stronger brand than FSU at the current but I agree that when they are good, people love to watch them whether it be a reason they love them or hate them. I will say this, I think there’s something there that is underrated in what you said, Miami, if ACC implodes could go the independent route as they had been before and won 3 NC’s with an independent schedule. Miami is embedded in the most fertile recruiting ground in the nation and is located in a major tv market South Florida, I don’t see them going away for good like some people have hoped.
No matter what anyone thinks, or says… When it’s all said, and done there will only be 2 major power conferences. College football will eventually be set up similar to the NFL.
And that league will loses millions of TV viewers in the process. If you're not a fan of those 40 plus schools, why would you ever watch them again?
It's pride and the illusion/delusion that all of FBS is at the same level that keeps ALL fans engaged throughout the year. Strip that illusion and you'll lose a large percentage of the TV audience.
i disagree. There will only be 2 major power conferences. BUT it will not be like the NFL. There will still be smaller conferences. Big 12 will be like "mid majors" in college basketball. The football equivalent to Atlantic 10 or WCC (I think is the one with Gonzaga). Playoffs will include at least one or two "non power" teams aka Cinderellas. Saying it will be like NFL is saying Big 10 and SEC will be ONLY two conferences and will have their own playoffs and their champs will play for the title. That would be TERRIBLE for college football and cost college football ALOT of viewers and money.
Sadly, these power conferences will have many teams that are not considered "power teams".
They will have 4 power conferences if your not in one of them probably going to be left out they been talking about this for 3 years now and if you get left out you won't be in the cfp
There needs to be NFL style playoff as well. Get the sports writers out of the voting. As unlikely as it is, they cannot stand the thoughts of 2 unknown schools making the championship game.
The media deal and the GoR are completely separate documents. The GoR have the conference the right to negotiate the deal with ESPN for every member institution. The media deal ending doesn't void the GoR. It does give the institutions more grounds to litigate.
The ACC has been done as a Louisville guy I’ve seen this movie before.
remember BIG EAST 🏈 once teams start fighting to get out ur done we have already taken on the dead weight of Cal and Stanford and bringing up AAC/CUSA teams are not a option anymore. Everything worth anything has already been grabbed up. What’s left Tulane? We would no longer be a power five if Clem,FSU,UNC,even VT
It’s hard enough when we have UK in state getting a 51M check last week from the SEC! Vandy had 3 wins and still got it without a power 5 win
If i recall correctly, L'VILLE was one of the biggest supporters of adding the +3. That expansion and FSU's litigation were just the public confirmation that the ACC will deplete out, most likely down to the new BIG12's Tier 2 level.
@@tarheel7406 personally I don’t wanna play games on the west coast it was all for tv markets in those regions I did like the addition of SMU looking at just the QB’s the ACC could have to most competitive season since we joined even Miami’s got a great quarterback then fold in 2025 just like PAC12
@@AJD-LsUp If my memory of then reporting is correct, L'VILLE prefers adding some west coast teams over moving to the new BIG12.
I suspect that the L'VILLE Administration never thought it would ever be associated with T-Road and now CALFORD? Presidents make these decisions. Academic branding will be an advantage in Tier 2 football recruiting.
Exactly
Damn
I think it's 2027. Of course the Acc is not sitting idle by. Most schools don't want to leave. The truth of the matter is, ESPN is struggling and wants to save money anyway they can. There are other networks, the Big 10 has already left ESPN.
Do you know how boring watching the 12 playoff would be with only 2 conferences playing each other. 5th place teams from 2 conferences playing in a playoff. Wow, I think the Acc and Big 12 has the cards. With out them 2 conferences aren't viable and much of the country doesn't care. The Acc is in a position to get whatever they want. If they couldnt, you and ESPN wouldn't be so interested in wanting them destroyed. The rich Acc doesn't need espn. Fsu may, Smu,Stanford dont.
ESPN and the SEC have a stranglehold on college football….
I agree that college athletic programs should not bounce from conference to conference for any minor detail or reason. The conference exit fee requires the university programs to analyze and make a good decision, however the current buyout conference exit fees are ridiculous.
Why would ESPN pull out. It's a great deal for them.
Haven't people been saying ACC is dying since 2012???
ESPN is making money. Why would they shot down a source of money. That’s dumb.
This guy drug out a couple of weak points into almost ten minutes. Good stuff.
He squirming like Fsu is realizing they messed up and are on a limb by themselves. The Acc and Big 12 hold all the cards. The Sec and Big 10 are in a panic too. They realize if the Acc doesn't voluntarily fold they could be in trouble. There moves are all based on everyone else being bullied by them. If ESPN got it to where they only have the Sec. They can greatly reduce their payout.
Hey man, nice shot 🏆🤝🤣
Kind of agree. The 2nd point makes little sense. A watered down ACC which might look weaker than the existing B12 really has no future. The ACC will fight like hell to prevent this. Now, there will be a point where this will get resolved but I don't necessarily think it's happening any time soon - meaning in the next six months.
And he shouldn't confuse the SEC and B1G going in on some platform development to mean that they're suddenly one and the same. Not true. They're still enemies when it comes to property acquisition and don't forget it. ESPN if shutting down the ACC is losing several properties to the B1G - and they currently own those rights and don't have to do anything to continue owning them. End the ACC and risk losing someone you want to keep. ESPN would have to basically "tamper" for a better word - meaning get new signed GOR's from everyone in the ACC who they wish to have in the SEC ahead of time, with the SEC in agreement that they'll take those schools in and then lower the boom on the ACC. Then you'd just have new litigation ensue - from the ACC and probably even the B1G claiming that espn is trying to monopolize the sport by leveraging in schools that they have no legal right to leverage into another league. That'd get real messy!
Sorry you guys now realize FSU has exposed the ACC and ESPN while everyone else just sits around
@@Kegcraig65No they haven't.
If they get ND and the G5 to go with them, the other schools can still have their own playoff and own "National Champion" until the Big 2 agree to play a "unification" championship with them for big $$$$. They are going to get less money either way, why not do it in a way where you are not the lapdog?
Right, the Acc and Big 12 hold a lot of cards right now. Fsu made a bad, dumb move now they are sweating out on the limb. The Acc and Big 12 don't need the other 2 conferences. There are G5 schools that can go with them and turn into major players. Unless the Acc which is in the most populous areas of the country, roll over and decide to leave, they hold the upper hand. They are in the most politically powerful states too. If the Acc decides to play hardball. They are going to become top dog. The smaller Sec states can't keep up. The Acc has the political power and the money, plus the population.
FSU made a terrible move in trying to make 30 million extra per year. Some fans are so stupid this is not happening in the dark. FSU is getting recruited. You think the Pac 12 just decided to dissolve and end the historic Rose Bowl??? ESPN and FOX are working together to force the best schools into two leagues. Notre Dame will probably take an even bigger cut of ACC money after the schools that keep them in check aka FSU leave. ND is making a total mockery of the ACC by forcing them to add ND schedule filler who are so sorry they won't even take money. The majority of ACC teams are going to lose massive amounts of money sending teams to California to play in games no one will watch on TV. The ACC is going global with Raycom sports and large populations who don't care about their teams enough to fill a stadium look out world 😂 FSU needs out as fast as possible it's just getting sad at how delusional these ACC leeches are. ND is not going to be nearly as generous as FSU was. The travel cost of playing Cal and Stanford is going to bankrupt most ACC schools into becoming basketball only. It's a proven formula ND already did it to the Big East 😂
Don’t know where the hell you came up with this bullshit😂
@@garlandalmarode6396 Interesting take. Not the correct one but at least you'll sleep until the day the league comes to an end.
Just another reason to forget about college football.
just go to watching D2, D3, and NAIA.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher and that's exactly what will happen. In a decade, all of these TV executives will say " Why is our CFB viewership down?"....because they will have ostracized a larger percentage of the current FBS fanbase. Hopefully they aren't that stupid and realize that more schools and conferences involved = more fans and larger national TV audiences
What happens to the ESPN media deal if the ACC lets FSU negotiate it's way out? It would seem to me that at that point ESPN would be able to pull the lever immediately.
Sounds like wishful thinking from an FSU fan
I wonder if at some point the SEC and BIG10 start shedding dead weight to bring in more valuable football programs. I could see the SEC wanting to replace Vanderbilt and Miss State with better programs and the BIG10 ditching Rutgers and Maryland.
You don’t watch football 😂
UMd is safe in the B1G. Since joining the conference a decade ago, only Ohio State and Michigan have won more Big Ten titles than the Terps.
@@user-nt7eo2vf5f except football drives the bus and those schools haven’t really performed. A lacrosse championship doesn’t bring any revenue. I doubt contraction has ever been discussed but after you put all the best football programs in a conference and max out their value, the only thing left to do is dump the programs that don’t bring value. Additionally, with the popularity of streaming growing there is no value in having a program like Rutgers because of the NY media market, like there was 10 years ago.
As a fan of Cuse and northeast football schools in general, I gotta be concerned that the SEC will poach the marketable schools (FSU/Clemson/UM, etc), while the B1G doesn't see enough value in adding Pitt, Cuse and BC, leaving them and some of the mid Atlantic ACC schools hanging.
As long as SU plays home basketball games in a dome, Yormark will want the Orange.
These are the same people that will try tell me nd is irrelevant 😂 we live rent free in everyone’s heads and we are a stand alone brand bigger than most conferences 😂😂 😂😂 ☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️☘️
I don't see any more big changes until college football and the networks decide to blow it all up to form a separate college football league. College football and the networks know that football is a unique beast and will have to separated off from its other sports. Until then ESPN will keep riding that sweetheart acc contract to the bank. FSU is going to spend a ton of money just to end up in the same new college reality that they would have anyway just a lot poorer for its impatience.
Why would Florida’s st want to go to the sec or big10 when they like Missouri just be another mid level university in those conferences. It’s not like they are a basketball powerhouse either.
Money.
Missouri isn’t a midlevel school in the Sec….they are probably one step above Vanderbilt.
I have no idea where you came up with that.
They have around 30 million reasons
People really love praying on the ACC downfall.
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I know. The ACC is home. A true North Carolina cultural element. The people that hate on the ACC are the same people that pull for the SEC or big 10 for the fun of it.
Personally I believe the ACC, as constructed, is not worth what the big two are. If so why wouldn’t the ACC tear up the Grant of Rights and create a new contract with much higher payouts. I suspect that option, if available, would be better for all.
Sorry, I’m somewhat confused. You’re saying the ACC needs to play ball and you’re also saying ESPN holds all the cards. Which is it? It seems to me if ESPN holds all the cards then they should be the one giving the ACC direction not the other way around. It seems to me the battle here is between FSU and ESPN. FSU could have paid the exit fee to leave the ACC long ago, it’s the grant of rights ESPN controls that’s the issue. It would be difficult for the ACC to work a new deal with ESPN until this mess is over with and the ACC actually knows who is still in the conference.
Espn could be in deep trouble with the courts because this would be the third conference which they personally had a hand in dismantling a conference in college football. Also sec big ten do decide to leave ncaa might be violating antitrust laws
Zero concerns about this. The conference was dumb enough to sign a contract that lets ESPN bounce. Executing what is in a contract is not anti trust. Also the SEC and BIG10 are arms length away from tv networks, separated by a temporary contract.
@@CFBAddiction look up the laws anything that causes anti competitive situations which ESPN is doing to the acc if they walk on them at this juncture is a violation of antitrust laws in several states. Not disagreeing with u acc did put themselves in this position but this is the third conference they have done it too and history can prove they have done it and in court they will be found guilty. Why u think they r staying away from this. Another example of this is the PGA tour vs liv golf
High school football should be the next college football where actual kids from their hometown play and represent their schools for free (( UNTIL THAT GETS CORRUPTED AS WELL )) . College FOOTBALL as we know it is dead its the triple A of the Nfl. Next their will be only 2 conferences like the AFC and NFC , then 16 game playoffs and you better BELIEVE since players are getting paid now the NCCA will add more games to the schedule we will go from 12 to possibly 16 games in the next 5 years mark my words.
It sounds like you're expressing frustration about the perceived favoritism of ESPN towards the SEC over the ACC in college sports coverage, particularly football. It's true that ESPN, like any media organization, may have preferences or biases in their coverage based on various factors including audience size, historical success of certain conferences, and financial considerations.
The SEC has historically been a powerhouse in college football, boasting strong teams and passionate fan bases. This can lead to higher viewership and therefore more lucrative broadcasting deals for ESPN. However, it's important to recognize that ESPN's decisions are ultimately driven by business considerations, and they may prioritize certain conferences or teams based on what they believe will generate the most revenue.
That being said, it's understandable that fans of ACC teams like Florida State, Clemson, and Miami may feel frustrated if they perceive that their conference is being unfairly overshadowed by the SEC. It's also worth noting that success in college football can be cyclical, and teams from any conference have the potential to compete at the highest levels with the right coaching, recruiting, and resources.
Ultimately, while it's natural for fans to want their favorite teams to receive fair recognition and opportunities, the dynamics of college sports broadcasting can be complex and influenced by numerous factors beyond just on-field performance.
If ESPN passes on the contract extension then the ACC would be free to shop the media rights to FOX, CBS, NBC, etc., similar to the type of setup the B1G has. If none of them buys the GoR from the ACC, then the ACC would disappear, or it would be very cheap to buy itself out of the GoR-- or even free-- since the GoR's value is based on the future value of media rights through 2036.
They can’t sell the GOR, it’s tied directly to the ESPN media deal and only that media deal. If the espn media deal stops existing, so does the GOR.
They’ll be done as a conference since they’ve made themselves damaged goods. And everyone knows it, so there’s not going to be a Network bidding war. The ACC is Dead Man walking as a conference. Notre Dame’s out for themselves anyway with their sweet NBC exclusive deal they don’t share a penny with the conference. $26 million per year combined from NBC, and it’s ACC just for football alone. They get $15 million per year alone off NBC. I could care less what they think of the entire situation.
@@CFBAddiction That's the opinion of some, but others disagree and say the ACC GOR would still be in effect and a deal with another entity would simply replace it if one could be worked out. You should at least acknowledge that.
@elliottcrews4997 At this point, the only ones who are covered by the GOR are the ACC and ESPN for the current contract. The GOR gives the ACC the ability to negotiate a media deal for each member, if ESPN walks away from extension, the current deal is null and void. The ACC would then have to negotiate a new media deal and at least as far as FSU is concerned, would have to be voted on by the BOT. Unless they grant someone else the right to sign a new deal. Then the GOR would cover the new deal. The ACC is only granted rights through a contract and if the original deal was expired, they would be unable to enforce a GOR unless they have a new contract with FSU and the individual members.
Ask Stanford, Cal, OSU and WSU how that worked out?
FSU to big 10, Clemson to SEC, U Miami to big 10, Nc State to SEC, UNC to big 12, VT to big 12
You’ve been saying this for a very long time
Say what you will when this happens I'm done with all college sports. Along with alot of people around the US. I think the whole cfb is about to be done for.
We will see. I’ve heard this a lot, but the viewership numbers stay strong. What if it turns out better after all the change?
Gotta love this guy....closest thing we have to an ultra conspiracy theorist with ncaa football and especially where the ACC is concerned. Expecting BigFoot on this channel any minute to give his view on this entire situation. :)
ESPN gains NOTHING by forcing a dying conference to go on... who will watch a bunch of teams in decline because they don't have the money to compete? The ACC has been sleep-walking though this new alignment era.
Florida State and most likely Clemson won’t be going to the SEC. I bet you the former especially, and the latter both end up with the BlG Ten.
I think the SEC picks up the Florida schools. FSU and Miami to try to keep the BIG 10 out of the south.
Yep
Neither are AAU schools.
@@frankpotter5936doesn't really matter. FSU is a top 25 public university
@@bradenm3yeah the AAU as the defining factor of school quality is either antiquated or disingenuous. FSU has improved substantially academically in recent years and has surpassed a few Big Ten schools in the US News ranking. I think the joint engineering school with FAMU is the thing holding them back from AAU admission and that’s not going anywhere. That being said, I hate the SEC as much as the next FSU fan but it just makes sense.
Won’t burn long. Nothing to fuel the fire.
The pac-12 what's the most competitive conference last year I'm sad to see it break up, if you take away Alabama and Georgia the SEC just be a normal conference, and if you take away Michigan and Ohio State the big 10 would just be a boring conference.. it's sad how TV if using money to give a unfair advantage to overrated and boring conferences so other conference can't be great
Organ usc and UCLA are big market programs that's going to the big 10 makes the most revune with the sec right behind them
ESPN will end that deal when they decide they don't want to count those pecky billions of dollars...too much trouble.
No. That is FSU that you smell BURNING.
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If the North Carolina court finds that FSU is not a signatory to the GOR due to the fact the FSU Board of Trustee's didn't approve the contract, then all FSU needs to do to leave the ACC is pay the exit fee of apx. $130 million. At that time FSU would be free to join any conference that excepts them. All other members of the ACC would be signatories to the GOR and would need to fight the ACC in court as FSU is doing now to exit the conference.
The ACC would still be at the mercy of ESPN/Disney but would still have all the other schools.
In other words, FSU could escape the ACC while all other schools are stuck until they fight for freedom as FSU has.
I can only assume you aren't a contract law attorney. FSU honored the contract for years. When two parties sign a contract each has to assume that the other's representatives are acting in good faith when everyone signs on the dotted line. It isn't the other party's responsibility to make sure the right rep. signed, it is the party signing. And then the conditions of the contract are followed by both parties for years. Come on Charlie. FSU is grasping at straws here.
Maybe, maybe not and I'm not an attorney. Just seems like a possibility that would save the ACC (until ESPN acts) while allowing FSU to exit. Food for thought regardless. I've seen the courts do crazy things of late. We will get out of the ACC regardless.@@elliottcrews4997
@@elliottcrews4997 Not to mention that would give the ACC grounds to sue FSU for providing a fraudulent document.
this is better than your other channel.
Not sure the SEC wants any team from ACC
they want at least one North Carolina and one Virginia school to have the old southern conference footprint.
They want NC schools as well as VA schools. UF is blocking Miami & FSU from joining the SEC
@@EyeOfTheWatcher the only school they may truly want is Clemson! Which leads to the question of who is the second school to keep the balance of conference. Which would probably be North Carolina. Because Florida is not going to want another in state school in SEC
UNC and UVA would be high on the SEC's add list.
Thinking SEC is going away, also B10, like the ACC, model doesn't make sense anymore. May as well create a league, with selected schools involved within conferences
Get use to this until people quit watching ESPN they will rule college football
This Semi-pro league belongs to ESPN. The ACC will bow to what ESPN wants. Please stop calling it college football because teams play on designated college campuses.
Another factor supporting your theory is that ESPN just forked out $7 billion for the playoff. They may want to get out of the ACC deal bc of all of the money they are now spending for playoff. Also, with expanded playoff, regular season, non power 2 games may not be worth that much money now.
I don't think Florida State wants to go to the SEC after Georgia put foot all in the Seminoles ass😂😂😂😂
Yea, because so many Sec programs actually beat Georgia…What? 1 in 3 years?
Goddamn man. Sec fans have to be the stupidest people to every shit though an asshole😂😂
Because so many Sec programs beat Georgia…
Name one outside of Alabama in the last 3 years.
@@r.guardia9107 yeah but do you do realize until 3 years ago Georgia was pretty much irrelevant they hadn't won a national championship since 1980
Very interesting video. Pac 12 has been destroyed, Big 12 has no National Championship type teams so it has been gutted. The ACC will be next. I didn't say I like it, I don't but it looks like its coming.
The Big XII hasn't had a Championship level team since Texas with Vince Young. What year was that again? Oklahoma... One and done in the CFP, even getting embarrassed when they got to the CFP.
If the Acc and Big 12 say we are going our own way. The Sec and Big 10 will both be watched by a lot less people.
College football has Ben ruined by greedy idiots
You are unaware of the financial position ESPN currently exists. Disney cannot spend money on ESPN.
Losing the ACC may be viewed as a benefit by Disney.
Disney’s Hulu purchase, poor studio performance, cord cutting, and cable contracting is not going well.
I’m pretty familiar with Disney finances. They are doing just fine. They were breaking even though they’ve missed on a high % of recent movies and before the mass layoffs. They took a few quarters of loss intentionally (shifting expenses in instead of delaying them), but if you look at how much money they have had in their bank account all along, they have been perfectly fine.
They could pull that lever but no way they pull it. They pay the same as the Big XII is getting and yet they have much greater viewership even without Clemson, FSU, etc. Shoot even teams like NC State and GT pull as good as the better teams in the Big XII as currently composed. So just because they can...doesn't mean they will when they have such of a good deal. It would take at least 8 or 10 schools leaving.
Sir you better check yo math The Big12 was paid more last year and will be getting more this year than a ACC team also this was why FSU has been wanting to to get out and at one time look to move to the BIG 12 years ago. And the viewership only comes from FSU Clemson and NC. So please check your sources and research. Because you are wrong!
Total crap, FSU never ever considered big12 @@marvinhancock6225
@@marvinhancock6225 you got a lot of that so wrong.
Starting my stream on education as a former educator. Would love to ask you about your camera set up and how you have the screen with your prompts.
I see Notre Dame joining a league or being left out of everything
they will be LAST domino to fall in all this. Big 10 needs more than 1 ACC Southeast team if they want ND. ND WONT join SEC. ND MIGHT take partial deal with Big 12 if they have more Southeastern teams than Big 10 does.
So, if FSU wants to claim the contract was invalid from the signing, they would have to payback every dime they received from the ACC since the deal started, which is like 350M.
This is idiotic. FSU provided a service (televised games) and was compensated for said service. Period.
@@Will10111 They are the ones claiming the contract was invalid, that means it's void & they should have never been paid. They want to make that idiotic claim they will be paying back the 350M
That’s not true at all lol If the contract was invalid they’d have to pay FSU back as well as the other schools in the conference depending on the differences between what the schools paid to the ACC versus what they brought in.
@@grobble8954 That is blatantly false. With no valid contract, The ACC would not have had the rights to collect revenue on behalf of FSU in the first place. I'm not sure you thought this argument all the way through, bubba.
@@brianoliver8663 If the contract is invalid under Florida law , which is unique to them, it doesn't effect other schools. The invalid contract means the ACC never had FSU's GOR & FSU wasn't actually a member of the ACC, Thus FSU would be treated as if they were a team from another conference playing ACC schools. Schools don't get money for out of conference games unless it's contracted, which happens in pay games for lesser conference schools. FSU would owe every dime they received from the ACC. Around 350M
FSU and Clemson aren't lead-pipe cinches for the B1G -- not as long as neither qualifies for the Association of American Universities.
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Big 12 has overall more value than ACC. Clemson, FSU MIA and maybe North Carolina. The entire state of Texas by itself is a major recruiting hub. Just ask Alabama.
ACC is in the same boat as the old SWC........ Remember the SWC?
But SWC did not have a tv network which ESPN partly owns the ACC. The Big 12 is not safe.
Very true but ESPN need programing
More games when you add teams to the SEC
ESPN cannot force FSU or others to the SEC. If either prefers the B1G, ESPN cannot force it. I think that the ACC will survive in a diminished status, since there are plenty of schools that have no other home. Neither the SEC nor the B1G will grow that much more. Both of those conferences only want teams that can pay their own way. At the most there will be three or four ACC teams (plus ND?) to those two leagues. How many teams will the Big 12 take?
Add in the leftovers plus OrState and WaState and there will be a league, though clearly number 4 - by a lot.
"How many teams will the Big 12 take? "
If the P2 only take 3 to 4 ACC teams, there's no reason for any remainder to move to the BIG12. Why else the +3 preemptive backfill?
@tarheel: if true, why are so many ACC teams calling the BigXII?
@@DavidM442 One always should have Plans A through C.
What university President leaves a viable association with DUKE, CAL & STANFORD for the new BIG12?
ESPN ending it could provoke the government of Florida’s wrath.
You are too smart and good at your job to continue to be shackled by your hatred/jealously of Miami. Keep you FSU bias and Miami hatred to your FSU channel...
Huh? Didn't even mention Miami in this video lol
Is the Big 12 looking in on this too?
If fsu goes to the sec I will retire from being a nole.
For anyone that is unaware, this guy is a FSU fanboy. Take everything he says with a big box of salt. I'm going to laugh so hard when ESPN sends that letter to the ACC saying that they are all in for the media contact through 2036.
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I predict a B1G/ACC merger and an SEC/Big XII merger
Whats the largest TV market in the ACC footprint?
Grats, you want a trophy 🏆 for having the largest tv market with the least number of viewers? 🤝😎
@@CFBAddiction im quite sure its the Dallas market. But yea tv viewers tend to drop when you have 20 years of mediocrity. But when Miami is good, it’s really good there’s not very many teams in the country that are what Miami is when they’re rolling.
#5 Dallas, #7 Atlanta, #8 Boston, #10 San Jose/SF, theeeeen #18 Miami.
@@tsunamiwarning8040 hard to belive boston is above miami butt I assumed that dallas was #1
Charlotte, Atlanta, Boston
I tried to tell everyone this is gonna happen but nope😂😂😂😂😂
“Many lawyers that I speak with..”
My guy, you haven’t talked to anyone besides google, calm down.
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So does SMU play for free until the ACC blows up? We already know the Big 12 doesn't wan them,. It would be embarrassing for the Mustangs to beg the ACC to take them back. Still think they bought there way into the ACC,
espn in retrospect has fought the State of Florida...parent company Disney lost to Florida on the reedy creek deal. Moody is also going to fight the CFP committee and ESPN too. Its not IF FSU leaves its WHEN.
Point 2: so the ACC in order to survive must "play ball" which you think means they have to be willing to surrender their members to the other two mega conferences, the SEC and B1G in order to survive? Makes no sense. That's being a little too nice. (sarcasm included) You think the ACC looks like any kind of credible league if they lose Clemson, FSU, UNC, Miami, UVA along with anyone else those two want? What's the point of allowing this? So they can "Go Forward" and merge with the B12 or something? Sorry, doesn't sound like much of a future.
So call it buddy! WHEN will this lever get pulled and the ACC go down the drain as it currently exists?
Go NOLES..🔥🏈🏆
Enjoy the content. But knuckle-dragging? I think you mean foot-dragging...knuckle-dragging infers something else entirely...
I just done believe that the ACC will end like the PAC.
1. ESPIN has spent a lot of money on the ACC Network.
2. I don't see any schools from the ACC degrading themselves to join the 12 +4 +4. As with the PAC schools that joined, they will feel like it's a disgrace. The Arizona schools and Utah all have said how degrading it is to be in that conference.
3. Why would ACC schools join a conference that the Voice of College Football shows every year that nobody watches. The 12 can barely get 1 million fans to view their games. Theybare the clear #4 in viewership.
4 After the raid of the ACC, the best academic schools will remain together, the 12 will take a big pay cut in its TV contract next go around. Who's gonna pay if nobody watches.
The ACC will be hurt but fine, the will play in the G7 and be alright
ACC isn’t powerful.
If the best academic schools stay together it will be the big east all over again a basketball conference
@OSIRIS1980WHS No, the ACC will be raided by the BIG and SEC but to believe any of the will degrade themselves to join the trailer trash 🗑 conference is a mistake!!!
Why, nobody watches that conference, nobody want to join it. The PAC schools joined just for the money because the BIG didn't save them.
The 12 is a worthless conference that will have to join the G7. Why leave the ACC???
@@Canes-kh5bq I would simply say, what is the 12 now. A bunch of worthless football brands who play basketball. They would both be equal. The 12 +4 +4 is nothing more than the new AAC
@@buckeyeintexas4709 if the best academic school stay, then who will leave other than Florida State and Clemson. The ACC could easily make a claim to being the best academic conference in the country. I don’t know that there’s really anybody close as an entire conference goes. I know the big 10 likes to think they are but if you look at the entire roster of schools, it’s hard to beat the ACC from an academic standpoint.
As a Miami fan. I am worried
Don't be. Wait for it.
Don’t be worried at all. We will be in the B10. The schools and Networks that run the B10 want Miami.
...and rightly so. The B1G does not want a half-empty stadium on TV. The Canes might have to play home games at FIU's stadium.
I sure would love to have a "college football addiction" window decal to put on my pickup truck. Do you sell them?
Coming soon!
@@CFBAddiction Great, can't wait.
Come to big 10
ESPN has ALL of the cards, and they are not going to give up that deal. You are so wrong that it's not funny. ESPN owns them for a low cost and you think they want to give the ACC a break so they can go fish for more money....lol...you're laughable. The SEC nor the B1G needs any of the ACC teams. ESPN and FOX have all the teams they need in every major market. The exception would be Virginia and North Carolina and ESPN nor FOX needs those two to stay more powerful. You are playing "Wishful Thinking".....not happening. FSU and Miami don't add Florida...Clemson doesn't add South Carolina...Georgia Tech doesn't add Georgia....like I said it's not happening....you are right....you are absolutely not a lawyer.....you are clueless about the law it seems. The B1g has already rejected Stanford and California now you think they may want them. Geez....
FSU can go to another conference but it want be long before they will be bellyaching bout something in their new conference THAT is FSU in a nutshell always been that way
Good but not all the ACC schools will go to the SEC
ACC will fold… Florida St. to the Big 10 and North Carolina, Clemson and Miami having to pick between the 2 and ND will likely go to the Bog 10 which monetarily will be Incredible for each Big 10 school! It may be sooner than we think
Even if the 4 teams you listed leave, the ACC will still have way more to offer than the Mid 12.
FSU to big after 24, ND Miami Clemson to big after 26, UNC UVA to sec after 26
I can tell this guy is a seminal fan because he won’t mention the University of Miami leaving the conference…lol
Miami did bend over for ND and voted to add Cal and Stanford. They definitely love the D.
As a Nole, I never thought UNC and NC State would go into battle with us but at least some schools manned up
Disney has a battle for its board. Does this sound like a company that is healthy? More like ESPN drops the deal than they keep it now.
Florida State will not win the ACC suit nor will it get dismissed and FSU knows this. Their suit is simply a starting point for their negotiating their exit from the conference for a number less than $572M. BTW the Big 12 wants to see ACC succeed in their lawsuit bc they have their own GOR that binds their conference together so a judgement against a GOR will impact all conferences.
josephwofford5090 is right. We watched and learned nothing from this. Call your shot. When is that lever getting "pulled"? Give us a window. Done in a month? Six months? when????
They'll end up settling this shit ESPN makes way too much off of the ACC it's mainly a basketball conference again now people act like they gonna be hurting 😂😂
It's '27
The ACC is dead as a football conference. Basketball and baseball might stagger on, but as far as football is concerned its a dead conference.
That would be great if ESPN experienced that right because the ACC has one of the worst TV contracts ever.
That seems to be the repeated misconception about the media deal. The ACC contract is actually the 3rd best in college football. It actually pays more that the B12's new deal and the B12 just recently renegotiated their contract. The chances of the ACC getting significantly more than they are currently getting if their contract had been a 5 or 10 year deal rather than a 20 year deal are slim. The problem is that the SEC and B10 contracts are so much better. But why are they so much better? Because those two conference's games regularly draw 2 million or more viewers. The ACC and B12 seldom see numbers like that. Why would any media company pay the ACC or B12 the same or nearly the same money? Sure everyone wants more money, but there is a reality here that some don't see.
@@elliottcrews4997 The reason why the TV contract is so bad they signed the deal until like 2050 some wild shit like that.
@@cannon5041 The contract is through 2036, and has an opt out clause for ESPN in 2027. They have to notify the ACC within the next year if they want to exercise that opt out. There is a 4.5% minimum escalator provision in the contract as well. In 2026 the Raycom agreement ends which will mean about 3M more per school per year from ESPN and the ACC also has a separate ACCN deal with the conference that last year paid about $11M per school. So the ACC media deal isn't as bad as you might think.
Hopefully the ACC folds
Hopefully it doesn't