If the race to the courthouse win is important…then so should be the fact that FSU had not actually filed the suit when the conference took the preemptive strike. In other words, does an actual filing matter or not, timing wise? Seems the ACC wants its cake and eating it too
@@garlandalmarode6396 that’s the point …..if filing first in actuality, matters…then the ACC argument that FSU breached by filing is moot as the ACC filed first…can’t have it both ways
Thanks for the work Doug, but.... I spent my last vacation injured and recovering to go back to work. My next vacation is so very far away. Jealousy meter is of the meter
An outside the box idea- If they are able to get out of ACC But cannot immediately join Big ten or SEC … how much of a chance or if even possible have a Notre Dame deal with ACC or Big XII; for example independent scheduling for football but all sports with that league?
Yes, the lawyer broke everything down very well. However, if the cases get kicked up to the federal court system, the cases will end up in the Supreme Court, This is because Florida is in the 11th Circuit and North Carolina is in the 4th Circuit.
Great content. I am an FSU Law alum living in NC and many attorneys have raised the topic w me! Do you think there may be conflict of interest IF a Judge is an alumnus or strong ties to an ACC school or even a rival like uf?
There is a major inconsistency with the following two arguments. ACC argues that FSU effectively communicated their intention to breach (anticipatory breach), so their suit was not premature. At the same time the approval was retroactive. If it was so clear the ACC could file, since FSU was about to file suit, then why did the ACC not get approval in advance? Either FSU imminent filing was clear or it was not. If clear have a vote, including all members. I think that the FSU Board of Trustees argument is weak. The president of FSU clearly had apparent authority. I believe that there will be a stay. Will a NC judge really be willing to rule on FL sovereign immunity and then watch as a Florida court could reach an opposite ruling on its own state law? The NC judge must consider Florida law since it is a sovereign entity. I believe that both cases will go on, particularly with the AG of Florida involved, which I take for granted will happen.
Are you talking about the ACC kickoff? That’s usually July or august I think. This year the teams are going different dates so won’t be as awkward lol.
Question is, who would have been the two thirds? I could see wake forest, Boston college, syracuse for sure, maybe Pitt and Louisville. Highly doubt any of the magnificent seven (Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVA, NCST, VT) would have voted yes. Duke? GT? ND?
Definitely yes to Duke, GT, & ND- NCSU and VT likely would have as well. They don’t really have (or want in ND’s case) a landing spot other than maybe B12.
Does the ACC have to also publish its meeting minutes to its members? If they had a secret meeting with only 10 of their weakest links who all unanimously voted in favor of suing FSU, FSU, as a member, should have access those minutes. And, is there anything in bylaws about excluding members from voting? Seems crooked to do an after the fact vote without all the members. Lastly, can we argue that exclusion from voting rights = not a member. Go Noles!
ACC and its members should thank FSU. Exposing the bad ESPN deal allows the remaining conference members to negotiate a better media deal. #Free FSU! FSU to B1G! Go Noles!
The Acc is going to get a much better deal then they had. Fsu didn't have the foresite to realize that and they ll go off to a conference far away. Just when the playoff expands and it ll be easier to make the playoff. What Fsu is doing makes no sense. They ll be paying out millions a year to the Acc, not really doing better. Meanwhile the Acc gets a much better deal with expanded playoffs. Fsu is really missing it.
Did Florida State know about the clause in the contract that ESPN could unilaterally extend the contract in 2027? If they didn't know about this prior to signing the contract could this impact the case and Florida State's attempt to leave the conference?
Then does FSU have a leg to stand on? This is not what the signed up for. They, in essence, are only legally obligated to follow the contract they knowingly signed, which is the end of 2027.@@dougrohan6746
FSU shouldn’t to pay anything to leave the conference. Once they leave the conference will dissolve. Keep up the fight FSU Canes Nation is with you in this fight.
@@jrjd63 that’s not likely at all. There are 15 members currently. 4 to 6 will leave eventually. The rest will sit tight to get all the exit fee money and GOR money that may be paid. If the Pac2 can hang on with just 2 members for the next two years, 9 or 10 schools in the ACC will definitely keep it going for as long as they have a media deal of some sort. If espn doesn’t back out in the next two years, the ACC just adds USF, Navy, Army and Tulane plus however many it needs to get back to the 15 member number that ESPN has stipulated.
Great question! The PAC2 just approved language in their deal that if the conference collapses, a percentage goes back to the members who paid the exit fees. This keeps them from just closing the doors and pocketing the money. I suspect any FSU / CLEM deal would include similar language.
I do have proof on one thing The college football playoffs wear rigged A team that ranked 4th after going 12-0 has never moved down a spot after beging a top 15 team witch Florida state did That the first time ever from 1950 on that a team ranked 4th playing a top 15 team in a extra.game.has.ever moved down and.had not one.but two.teams jump.them
Just out of curiosity, is there any chance that in the end, the judge can rule against the Noles & say, you signed the damn contract, & all these years had no apparent problem with it, now because you feel that the monies aren't being split evenly enough btween schools & blahblahblah....but no, you have to honor your signature & you must stay, in the ACC. Any chance this can happen? Inquiring minds want to know.
@@waynebennett745 I actually think they (fsu) are pathetic for claiming all this & filing their briefs, this lawsuit, after they got left out of the playoffs! 3 years in, 5, 10 years into their contract with the ACC, they weren't saying spit about how unfair it all seemed to be. No problems until THAT fact occured. If they hadn't have gotten skipped over, they wouldn't be pushing so much to get out of this grant of rights & the ACC!
@@JR_3781 No I am not a lawyer, true. I don't even play one on tv, however....my initial question WAS answered. That the judge, if he wants, in the end he does not have to release fsu from that contractual obligation with the ACC. All the rest is just blahblah truthfully. And say what you want, what I'd said is correct. fsu never bitched about any of this, in public at least, until they got left out of the CFP! That's real now!
Miami fan here
Really enjoyed this. The lawyer really broke this down well. Rooting for the Noles on this one.
So we can all be free
Keep dreaming
I honestly thing Miami goes to B1G with FSU a year later
I hope Miami joins FSU, wherever they go. I don't want to lose the rivalry.
@@Doc_Boots same unless ESPN pulls FSU to the SEC.
Respectfully. I’m Sure Miami would love that they had zero success in the ACC for 20 years.
Love listening to Doug break down this case in easy to understand terms.
Thank you Doug,glad your on our side.
Go Noles! Get out of the acc and to the B1G! Gooooo Bluuuuuueeeeee Baby!
Good lord with all the nonsense the ACC is putting out Doug deserves another Vacation.
We should start a fund specifically to buy Doug’s beers in Ireland lol
@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw I accept your charity!
I'm jealous! Guiness in Ireland is nectar of the God's! I need to go back!
If the race to the courthouse win is important…then so should be the fact that FSU had not actually filed the suit when the conference took the preemptive strike. In other words, does an actual filing matter or not, timing wise? Seems the ACC wants its cake and eating it too
If memory serves the ACC filed THE DAY BEFORE FSU.
They did. The Acc filed first which was a very good move. Looks like the Acc isn't the bumbling idiots that some want everyone to believe.
@@garlandalmarode6396 that’s the point …..if filing first in actuality, matters…then the ACC argument that FSU breached by filing is moot as the ACC filed first…can’t have it both ways
Thanks for the work Doug, but.... I spent my last vacation injured and recovering to go back to work. My next vacation is so very far away. Jealousy meter is of the meter
Love Doug
Thank you mr rohan and ast
Doug, could you see the judges in both states to tell the ACC & FSU to go to binding mediation?
No. Arbitration is too strict when the issues are so broad. I would be shocked If that happened.
These are the best
An outside the box idea- If they are able to get out of ACC But cannot immediately join Big ten or SEC … how much of a chance or if even possible have a Notre Dame deal with ACC or Big XII; for example independent scheduling for football but all sports with that league?
Yes, the lawyer broke everything down very well. However, if the cases get kicked up to the federal court system, the cases will end up in the Supreme Court, This is because Florida is in the 11th Circuit and North Carolina is in the 4th Circuit.
Not hardly. The Supreme Court only looks at cases that have already been to court. It’s the court of last resort.
Great content. I am an FSU Law alum living in NC and many attorneys have raised the topic w me!
Do you think there may be conflict of interest IF a Judge is an alumnus or strong ties to an ACC school or even a rival like uf?
Same thing could be said about Fsu and Florida.
How can the ACC suit be valid since they didn't take a member vote to go forward?
I'm assuming there is no real proof that there was a vote prior to dropping the suit.
There is a major inconsistency with the following two arguments. ACC argues that FSU effectively communicated their intention to breach (anticipatory breach), so their suit was not premature. At the same time the approval was retroactive. If it was so clear the ACC could file, since FSU was about to file suit, then why did the ACC not get approval in advance? Either FSU imminent filing was clear or it was not. If clear have a vote, including all members.
I think that the FSU Board of Trustees argument is weak. The president of FSU clearly had apparent authority.
I believe that there will be a stay. Will a NC judge really be willing to rule on FL sovereign immunity and then watch as a Florida court could reach an opposite ruling on its own state law? The NC judge must consider Florida law since it is a sovereign entity.
I believe that both cases will go on, particularly with the AG of Florida involved, which I take for granted will happen.
Like thank you for like coming on the show and like talking about this like for the fans and like those that are like interested. Like.
You're like welcome.
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Don’t ACC have spring meetings coming up?
Oh this is gonna be spicy 🌶️
Are you talking about the ACC kickoff? That’s usually July or august I think. This year the teams are going different dates so won’t be as awkward lol.
@@flch95 last couple years there’s just been the more informal spring meetings. Last year they voted on the uneven revenue sharing then
They had it a couple weeks ago.
@@garlandalmarode6396 No. it’s later in May on Amelia Island east of Jacksonville Florida.
@@flch95 is set for May on Amelia Island FL
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Question is, who would have been the two thirds? I could see wake forest, Boston college, syracuse for sure, maybe Pitt and Louisville. Highly doubt any of the magnificent seven (Clemson, Miami, UNC, UVA, NCST, VT) would have voted yes. Duke? GT? ND?
Definitely yes to Duke, GT, & ND- NCSU and VT likely would have as well. They don’t really have (or want in ND’s case) a landing spot other than maybe B12.
I believe that, in the end, FSU will leave the ACC, and the only matter to be resolved is the cost.
Does the ACC have to also publish its meeting minutes to its members? If they had a secret meeting with only 10 of their weakest links who all unanimously voted in favor of suing FSU, FSU, as a member, should have access those minutes. And, is there anything in bylaws about excluding members from voting? Seems crooked to do an after the fact vote without all the members. Lastly, can we argue that exclusion from voting rights = not a member. Go Noles!
ACC and its members should thank FSU. Exposing the bad ESPN deal allows the remaining conference members to negotiate a better media deal. #Free FSU! FSU to B1G! Go Noles!
The Acc is going to get a much better deal then they had. Fsu didn't have the foresite to realize that and they ll go off to a conference far away. Just when the playoff expands and it ll be easier to make the playoff. What Fsu is doing makes no sense. They ll be paying out millions a year to the Acc, not really doing better. Meanwhile the Acc gets a much better deal with expanded playoffs. Fsu is really missing it.
Of the FSU BoT didn’t sign is the failure of FSU President. It is the signer’s responsibility to get the BOT to sign.
Did Florida State know about the clause in the contract that ESPN could unilaterally extend the contract in 2027? If they didn't know about this prior to signing the contract could this impact the case and Florida State's attempt to leave the conference?
They couldn’t have known because that was granted to ESPN after signing
@@Doc_Boots I'm with chad. To my knowledge, FSU was not informed of the unilateral extension granted to ESPN.
@@dougrohan6746that part dose not matter they wear a wear that you sign over your TV rights until 2036
Then does FSU have a leg to stand on? This is not what the signed up for. They, in essence, are only legally obligated to follow the contract they knowingly signed, which is the end of 2027.@@dougrohan6746
say we pay 100-200 mil to leave the ACC and the ACC falls apart, do we forfeit that 100-200 million loss??
It’ll be like the PAC2 now. The remainders would reap those payouts
FSU shouldn’t to pay anything to leave the conference. Once they leave the conference will dissolve.
Keep up the fight FSU
Canes Nation is with you in this fight.
@@jrjd63 that’s not likely at all. There are 15 members currently. 4 to 6 will leave eventually. The rest will sit tight to get all the exit fee money and GOR money that may be paid. If the Pac2 can hang on with just 2 members for the next two years, 9 or 10 schools in the ACC will definitely keep it going for as long as they have a media deal of some sort. If espn doesn’t back out in the next two years, the ACC just adds USF, Navy, Army and Tulane plus however many it needs to get back to the 15 member number that ESPN has stipulated.
Great question! The PAC2 just approved language in their deal that if the conference collapses, a percentage goes back to the members who paid the exit fees. This keeps them from just closing the doors and pocketing the money. I suspect any FSU / CLEM deal would include similar language.
The ACC need the Noles beat it we want out
I do have proof on one thing
The college football playoffs wear rigged
A team that ranked 4th after going 12-0 has never moved down a spot after beging a top 15 team witch Florida state did
That the first time ever from 1950 on that a team ranked 4th playing a top 15 team in a extra.game.has.ever moved down and.had not one.but two.teams jump.them
GO NOLES
Finna leave now. Was stuck
Just out of curiosity, is there any chance that in the end, the judge can rule against the Noles & say, you signed the damn contract, & all these years had no apparent problem with it, now because you feel that the monies aren't being split evenly enough btween schools & blahblahblah....but no, you have to honor your signature & you must stay, in the ACC. Any chance this can happen? Inquiring minds want to know.
Yes, that is absolutely one possible option.
I've been asking that since FSU "claimed ONLY the BOT can sign contracts, yet said their Prez. did for the ACC". 😳
@@waynebennett745 I actually think they (fsu) are pathetic for claiming all this & filing their briefs, this lawsuit, after they got left out of the playoffs! 3 years in, 5, 10 years into their contract with the ACC, they weren't saying spit about how unfair it all seemed to be. No problems until THAT fact occured. If they hadn't have gotten skipped over, they wouldn't be pushing so much to get out of this grant of rights & the ACC!
@@JR_3781 What about my question on who's allowed to sign contracts?
@@JR_3781 No I am not a lawyer, true. I don't even play one on tv, however....my initial question WAS answered. That the judge, if he wants, in the end he does not have to release fsu from that contractual obligation with the ACC. All the rest is just blahblah truthfully. And say what you want, what I'd said is correct. fsu never bitched about any of this, in public at least, until they got left out of the CFP! That's real now!
If ACC doesn’t settle soon, they will wind up paying FSU & deservingly so!
By ACC, I mean Espn
Seems, while Fsu looks for an out and not keeping their word. According to this site the Acc does nothing right. Lol
Very little*
With FSU, BIG 10 owns the Florida Media markets & Florida Recruits
Just pay the money and leave.
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You signed the contract and you’re gonna stay loyal to the conference that’s gonna hound your every move for the next 13 years.
We will see what is right & wrong in the near future !!!
lol ok
Dead wrong. We’re gone & taking over once we get there. Good try tho.
No thanks
FSU still leaves no matter what. The only question is the price of leaving…..
I get happy when I see Doug💪🏿🍢