Thank you sir, you have proven once again that tuners on a well built precision rifle is worthless and a waste of money. There is applications for the tuner, but a centerfire precision rifle is not that application. All your shots are all within the SD of group size for that rifle and load. Now stop wasting components load developing and concentrate on getting rid of that "cold bore".
You have taken the time to develop a load that matches your rifle. Good job on that. Also, your rifle is obviously very well built because it shoots excellent. Good job on that. On the tuner break. First of all, you stated that you were going to run it through the two full revolutions. You did not do that. And if you watched the video on how to find your tune, you’ll know that you will find good spots and then if you continue, it’ll start to come apart again and then you’ll find another good spot. And that is why it is important to do the full two turns. I think the fact that it shows that some settings have wider groups than others means that it’s doing its job. You just have to find what makes you happy. I personally like the tuner and I have three of them now. So far they have made my rifle shoot excellently to my liking. keep the videos coming. I really am enjoying this caliber especially the 6 mm arc which is what I’m working on right now.
I wish you all the best when you're six millimeter arc 😢 That cartridge is not that great. Really does not shoot lights out in an. AR PLATFORM. There are so many other better cartridges for a r fifteen platform . Wish you all the best.
@@joelclark2130 to each his own. I guess someone removed my comment explaining my opinion on the subject. Probably because I referenced another video. No big deal. There are lots of videos that show the 6mm ARC doing a great job. I think 6ARC is a good cartridge. Some may not. It your choice to make.
You made a great observation on the shooter bias. Why record or gather data if all you will do is say I feel, I feel I feel, I’m happy. If you come up with an experiment, you go through with your commitment and take all the data points and then perform an analysis. Also he isn’t F class, but he wants to shoot out to 1000?
I tend to tune at further distances 200 or 300 if possible. The majority of the time you want the groups obviously to be round but we tune more to get the vertical out. I would re try tuning out at a further distance and see what the groups form
Try 4 again and I bet it opens up. I've had the same experience when it comes to tuners. No matter the caliber or rifle. I'll get an awesome group at a certain setting and keep going with tuner changes. After I will come back to verify a setting and the group opens up. But if I take the tuner off, I get consistent groups and often much better groups than with the tuner. I think tuners are more geared toward factory ammo. I don't shoot factory ammo in anything but pistol so I can't say for sure.
I'm wondering why you didn't use the 4 or 8 setting, those are almost one hole group's ? Great video on the EC turner, love mine and have the same result's 👍👍
Wanted to go in between two good settings. With this sample size I would say all the groups are actually probably the same. Went with one I thought would be reliably good.
A few things to consider: one, I don’t know which version of the EC tuner brake you have but if it is generation one you have to eliminate the backlash. This is to say if you work your way up to setting 10 or 12 and you want to go back to 6 you need to dial it past 6 by a few numbers (5,4) and then dial it back up to 6. This is why Eric developed generation two is to eliminate the backlash and the spring holds the setting better. I have noticed on my very accurate rifles. The EC tuner break is much harder to tune however, on carbon fiber, hunting barrels and especially using factory ammo. It makes a huge difference in precision and accuracy.
Nice. Making the Browning/Winchester BOSS great again. The tuner/muzzle break, ugly thing on the end of the barrel that guys used to love to hate on. They are great tools, if you don't know how to fine tune your handloads, or shoot a lot of factory ammo.
I think it's interesting that in the Ultimate Reloader .30 Cal. muzzle brake test, the EC Tuner brake only reduced peak recoil force by 28.7%, while the leading contender reduced peak force by 48.8%- surely at the cost of greater rearward directed muzzle blast. The radial design of the Bergara, which is similar to the Savage brake, resulted in a peak force reduction of 28%.
Just found your channel and thanks for putting these videos out. Some good stuff here. Setting 0 has a little horizontal, setting 2 tightens, setting 4 has a little vertical. Setting 2 is likely your best splitting the difference. Setting 8 doesn’t have tight clusters before or after. That’s one to stay away from.
you have an accurate rifle, mine, gave me better groups with Boattail bullets than i was getting but the rifle shot the same as when i got it, well i think it makes more difference with thinner barrels.
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Thank you sir, you have proven once again that tuners on a well built precision rifle is worthless and a waste of money. There is applications for the tuner, but a centerfire precision rifle is not that application.
All your shots are all within the SD of group size for that rifle and load. Now stop wasting components load developing and concentrate on getting rid of that "cold bore".
I'd stick with 4. But negligible with that rifle. All the 6 and 6.5 rifles I have, like the 4 to 4.5 setting regardless of load. Nice shooting sir
Basically shows that if the load is already tuned the EC Tuner can have little effect.
My tuner Varys by the day, might go 8-9,or6 changes with the bullet weight sometimes.
If it were me, I'll keep it at #2. To bad that tuner does not fit my 6.5PRC or I'll buy it from you :)
You have taken the time to develop a load that matches your rifle. Good job on that. Also, your rifle is obviously very well built because it shoots excellent. Good job on that. On the tuner break. First of all, you stated that you were going to run it through the two full revolutions. You did not do that. And if you watched the video on how to find your tune, you’ll know that you will find good spots and then if you continue, it’ll start to come apart again and then you’ll find another good spot. And that is why it is important to do the full two turns. I think the fact that it shows that some settings have wider groups than others means that it’s doing its job. You just have to find what makes you happy. I personally like the tuner and I have three of them now. So far they have made my rifle shoot excellently to my liking. keep the videos coming. I really am enjoying this caliber especially the 6 mm arc which is what I’m working on right now.
I wish you all the best when you're six millimeter arc 😢 That cartridge is not that great. Really does not shoot lights out in an. AR PLATFORM. There are so many other better cartridges for a r fifteen platform . Wish you all the best.
@@joelclark2130 to each his own. I guess someone removed my comment explaining my opinion on the subject. Probably because I referenced another video. No big deal. There are lots of videos that show the 6mm ARC doing a great job. I think 6ARC is a good cartridge. Some may not. It your choice to make.
You made a great observation on the shooter bias. Why record or gather data if all you will do is say I feel, I feel I feel, I’m happy. If you come up with an experiment, you go through with your commitment and take all the data points and then perform an analysis. Also he isn’t F class, but he wants to shoot out to 1000?
I tend to tune at further distances 200 or 300 if possible. The majority of the time you want the groups obviously to be round but we tune more to get the vertical out. I would re try tuning out at a further distance and see what the groups form
Try 4 again and I bet it opens up. I've had the same experience when it comes to tuners. No matter the caliber or rifle. I'll get an awesome group at a certain setting and keep going with tuner changes. After I will come back to verify a setting and the group opens up. But if I take the tuner off, I get consistent groups and often much better groups than with the tuner. I think tuners are more geared toward factory ammo. I don't shoot factory ammo in anything but pistol so I can't say for sure.
I'm wondering why you didn't use the 4 or 8 setting, those are almost one hole group's ? Great video on the EC turner, love mine and have the same result's 👍👍
Wanted to go in between two good settings. With this sample size I would say all the groups are actually probably the same. Went with one I thought would be reliably good.
Funny you and Gavin both test breaks on the same day !!
A few things to consider: one, I don’t know which version of the EC tuner brake you have but if it is generation one you have to eliminate the backlash. This is to say if you work your way up to setting 10 or 12 and you want to go back to 6 you need to dial it past 6 by a few numbers (5,4) and then dial it back up to 6. This is why Eric developed generation two is to eliminate the backlash and the spring holds the setting better. I have noticed on my very accurate rifles. The EC tuner break is much harder to tune however, on carbon fiber, hunting barrels and especially using factory ammo. It makes a huge difference in precision and accuracy.
i have a very stiff barrel, 16" 300 BO, 7/8" before the thread
Then rub your magic beans and it still doesn't make a difference.
Nice. Making the Browning/Winchester BOSS great again. The tuner/muzzle break, ugly thing on the end of the barrel that guys used to love to hate on. They are great tools, if you don't know how to fine tune your handloads, or shoot a lot of factory ammo.
Who cares what it looks like. If it actually works.
@@Mike-xi4zt it doesn't work
Did you do any kind of glass bedding in the chassis or is it just torqued?
Just torqued to 65inch #. The seekins Havak hit was designed for this chassis so don't see a reason to.
I think it's interesting that in the Ultimate Reloader .30 Cal. muzzle brake test, the EC Tuner brake only reduced peak recoil force by 28.7%, while the leading contender reduced peak force by 48.8%- surely at the cost of greater rearward directed muzzle blast. The radial design of the Bergara, which is similar to the Savage brake, resulted in a peak force reduction of 28%.
Mine is the 6.5mm so prab a bit better. 6 BR is pretty low recoil and haven't noticed an issue.
@@RobsReloading less burned powder regardless of cartridge normally equals less exploding gases to be affected by a muzzle brake brake.
You should sign-up for the Erik Cortina KYL.
Long drive to Texas from me
Tells us that this bullet, powder, charge seat depth shoot great from this gun. Lol.
Just found your channel and thanks for putting these videos out. Some good stuff here.
Setting 0 has a little horizontal, setting 2 tightens, setting 4 has a little vertical.
Setting 2 is likely your best splitting the difference. Setting 8 doesn’t have tight clusters before or after. That’s one to stay away from.
you have an accurate rifle, mine, gave me better groups with Boattail bullets than i was getting but the rifle shot the same as when i got it, well i think it makes more difference with thinner barrels.
Pma tool has a mirage shield that will come in handy for ya $10 shipped.
Do you like the mdt weights? Thinking about getting some.
How you liking the front rest?
I am not sure why you are engaging in this exercise. Your gun shoots superbly and the tuner is not adding anything its accuracy.
Simply a test to see if there is anything to gain by moving the tuner. It also gave me a reason to shoot a larger sample across the chronograph.
Nice SD and ES is there a reason you grip the rifle like that do you find it better then other ways
The way he manipulates the bolt makes me cringe.
DANG, Love it!
So the idea with the tuner is to take a mediocre group with good sd/es and tighten the group?
No just shifts poi by shifting a weight on the muzzle.
Good stuff!
Can I ask what magazine you are using for that?
Mdt 10 rounds br mag
@@RobsReloading thanks
Who made the barrel and chambered it?
Krieger barrel chambered by me. Video on the channel of this
All very interesting but why do you not work the bolt correctly !!! Watch a Ryan Cleckner clip he'll run you through how to do it right.😮