Seems a lot of people are confused so let me try to explain: When a map drops, it chooses from only completed maps and connected maps to drop. So in a fresh atlas, when you are doing T1s, you can only drop maps connected to that T1, which would include T2s but not T3s or higher. If the T1 boss was going to drop a T3 map but you don't have any completed, you'll just bank some map equity, which is not as good this early on because equity doesn't help you sustain higher tiers at this phase. But if you complete a single T3, all of your T1 maps that would now drop a T3 have a valid drop target. Yes they will all be the same T3 map you just completed but that's what 3-for-1 vendor and horizon orbs are for. Basically, when we traditionally run all lower tiers before higher tiers, the vast majority of those lower tiers just end up banking equity, which means you get even more of the lower tiers (which keeps you lower on the atlas). This is because that T5 map can't drop when you kill the T3 boss because you don't have any valid T5 map drops yet. But if you staircase it like how he explained, you will always have a valid X+2 drop whenever you run X (if X is the lower tier map you go back to). You still want to run maps for completion (so don't repeat maps unless you have to). But by reordering that completion this way, you maximize your chances of dropping the higher tier maps.
TL;DR would be 1) Run tier 1 map, get tier 2 map 2) Run tier 2 map, get tier 3 map 3) Run tier 3 map, thus allowing it to drop from tier 1 maps. 4) Go back and run all tier 1 maps 5) Run tier 4 map, then go back to tier 2 maps, all tier 2 bosses will drop that tier 4 map you cleared 6) Repeat until completion
@@SpiderWevs not all bosses will drop 2 tier higher maps, they just have the chance to after you've completed that tier map im sure you know that just clarifying for those that dont
"Map bosses can drop a +2 (+3 if you run your maps corrupted and doesn't have to be completed) so make sure whatever tier you're running that you have completed a map that is 2 tiers higher if possible" is what I have always preached and said as the most important thing in Atlas progression. In essence this is the "top to bottom" as you would complete the highest tier map so you can find them as +2s when getting more completions done, but many people missed out on what's the main reason for running those high tier maps early. You did a good job presenting the core strat in a short video even though you did miss out mentioning that corruption enables even a +3 that isn't completed. I think you could've spend a tiny bit more time explaining (and showing a picture to accompany that) why you should complete the T3 map instead of T2 despite not having a T5 available from that T3. For us it's obvious it's the adjacent maps but I think you glanced over that a bit too much.
W8.... this is totally new info to me! (played since closed beta btw)... Are you saying that If you run the very first t11 you get after having corrupted it to get the bonus, then the boss CAN drop up to a t14? Even if you have not yet completed a t12, t13 or a t14? Presumably this also works for a t1 map then, but i guess most ppl don't start corrupting maps until t11 for the bonus objective...
@@Meisen1977 If you run a T11, and have T13 map unlocked (so the boss can naturally drop a +2 that you have available), then if boss drops corrupted loot (via being corrupted map or something else), that can corrupt the T13, turning it to a T14. This cannot happen if you don't have a T13 that would drop in the first place.
So you always want to have a +2 map unlocked so e.g. the map boss of a T1 can drop a +2 map. Otherwise you will miss out progress because the boss will drop just +1.
@@francoismentec4260 Yea. You don't want to be entering maps and not get completion early on, you want as much completion as possible as fast as possible.
1. I love the fact that you are now posting YT videos, hopefully this becomes a regular thing. 2. The short duration is very muhc on brand, so even if I would have prefered longer content, maybe the shorter length is a genius idea. 3. Keep it up! Looking forward to seeing more content
I had to watch this twice to understand, holy shit. Whenever I practice for a new league I don't bother doing maps so had no idea there was a strat like this, thank you T y t y killa
Okay, POE noob here trying to make sure I understand this: Once you're at maps, you run maps you prefer until you get to a tier 3 map drop. Immediately play that map, then go and complete a lot of the tier 1 maps/bonus objectives. Once you do that, you should have a lot of tier 2 and 3s. You play 3s that you prefer until you get a tier 4 drop, at which point you'll play that map. Then you'll go down to tier 2s and complete a lot of those and their bonus objectives. Then after you have a lot of tier 3s and 4s, play 4s that you prefer until you get a map 5 drop. Complete that tier 5, then go back down and complete tier 3s. Repeat until at tier 16. Correct? Also do you complete literally all/the majority of the maps two tiers lower, or just a decent amount of them?
That's what I understood too. And yes after doing the t3 you complete all t1 and after t4 all the t2 if possible. Don’t forget about kirac shop and the 3 maps vendor recipe
you complete all the ones you have available, don't focus so much on "complete every single tier 2" to the point where you're spending time trying to find the last tier 2 map you don't have.
As I understand it the beginning is a bit different. So how I understand it is as follows; For t1 and t2 you pick 1 map out of each tier you like and you run exclusively that map. The other t1's and t2's you do not run. So in 3.21 we'll have Bone Crypt, Scriptorium, Alleyways and Colonnade in t1. Say you like Colonnade the best, cool. You get to maps and you run your colonnade's and only the colonnades. As soon as a T2 drops however, you run that T2. Say Silo is your first T2 drop. You then run Silo and only Silo maps. You do that until you get a T3 map, say strand is your first t3 drop, you run your strand map and once you completed that, THEN you can go back and complete the other T1 maps you have not completed yet. You can then run any T1 map you want, but you can still only run Silo as your T2 because that's what you got completed. Then when a t4 map drops, let's say fields, you run the fields and then you can back and complete the other T2's if you want until you drop a T5, after which you can complete all t3's, and so on and so forth. So to sum up: 1. Pick a T1 you like; Run it and only it until you drop a T2 2. Run that T2 map, after which you can either run your chosen T1 map OR the T2 map you just completed, don't run any other T1's or T2's. 3. Run those until you drop a T3 4. Run that T3 map, after that you can now run any of the T1 maps OR the T2 map you have completed OR the T3 map you have completed, no other maps 5. Until a T4 drops, you run the T4 after which you can run any of the T1 maps, any of the T2 maps, the ONLY T3 map you have completed OR the ONLY T4 you have completed, no other maps. 6. ???? 7. Apparently, profit
always do bottom-up strat but might try diagonal next time. bottom-up just kinda makes sense to me because im not actively racing, i need to run every map for completion anyway, and the slow build up makes map sustain super easy and makes my character ready for higher tier content. But I do see value in mapping faster so unlock void stones and going back and getting completion from those maps which are now a much higher tier.
Had to watch the video like 4 times and run some maps and finally understand it. Thanks. Still a little confusing on how to get different maps of a certain tier, but still very helpful. Such a complex system as opposed to how it was when I used to play a million years ago. 😅
This is my 10 steps, based on my understanding: 1. Only run specific T1; T2 u like, get a T3 2. Run T3 (call X) 3. Back to run T1s, not T2s, get a lot of X 4. Run many X, get a T4 5. Run T4 (call Y) 5. Back to run T2s (avoid run completed T2s), not T3s, get a lot of Y 6. Run many Y, get a T5 7. Run T5 (call Z) 8. Back to run T3s (avoid run completed T3s), not T4s, get a lot of Z 9. Run many Z, get a T6 10. Repeat
So if you ran that first tier 3 and you dropped a tier 4 map, ud run the tier 4. Then if no tier 5 drops, you runn your tier 2s, hope to get some t3s, then you run the tier 3s and hopecto get a 4. If you get the t4, you run it, if a 5 doesnt drop you run t3s. This correct? If it is... in essence you 'unlock the next highest tier if possible, if not run maps 2 tiers below your current highest tier ? Ie if tier 7 is highest map i have completed and u have no tier 7s, u run t5s? ^ in that sitatuon would you run yiur tier 5s even if you habe map completion for them? Or ifcyou already habe map completion always use vendor recipe or horizon orbs
You want to run all of the same map on the same tier or that tier+1 until you unlock a map two tiers higher. Then once you complete the 2 tier higher map, you want to pick maps that are two tiers back that you have not completed before. Unless I'm also stupid, you don't want to spread your progression out on a tier until you've unlocked maps two tiers higher. And to unlock maps two tiers higher you want to run the same map two tiers lower instead of every map two tiers lower until you get a higher map drop.
Appreciate the video. Would also love to learn how you think about speccing the atlas tree late game since you touched a little on how to spec it early on.
You wouldn't, map bosses drop maps 2 tiers higher only if you've done a map 2 tiers higher already. So if your highest map is a T3 you can only drop T4 maps, that's why you don't run T2's because they would only drop T3 maps. But once you do a T4 your T2's will now drop T4's. The whole point of this strategy is that your always doing maps with the intent to either progress your atlas +1 or your doing maps 2 tiers lower than your current highest map to force +2's. So if you only had T1, T2 and T3 maps, your highest map drop would be a T4 from a T3 map. However you can run T1's to get +2 drops to sustain your T3 maps, and once you do a single T4 your T2's you've stockpiled can be used to sustain your T4 map's so you can push into T5.
@@Rrezz so lets say in a perfect lucky world, I would get a +1 map every map from t1 to t15 and will be always doing them straight away. but let say that only works till t5. let say a) i got another t5, I would be running that t5 and hope for a t6 right? b) if i dont get the t6 and ran out of t5s, I would be running my t3s and hope for a t5 which I would then be running. i dont know. b) feels so weird. i will be running the t5 again with basically no map completion on the t1-t3 maps, therefore lacking atlas tree nodes, therefore beeing catapulted back to where i started. i guess i will be going for some kind of map completion until I get atleast one shaping node or smth. edit: b) could be wrong. even if a t3 would drop t5, i would go for map completion of t3s first and gather a bunch of t5s. a) still right though probably.
Can someone tell me why racers go straight to the right side of the atlas instead of going through the middle? Going through the middle saves one travel node.
I've always just run what I don't have completion for, then run the highest map available after that. I usually am not geared for higher tier maps anyway and my progression always ends up where I need it to be, but I definitely drop an excess of lower tier maps by the end of it. I never have to buy normal maps or have trouble sustaining a map I like though.
I understand most of it. But there is still 1 thing unclear for me. Lets say you run Alleyways and Grotto, but in those 2 maps you dont get a Fields / T3 map. Do you need to run only Alleyways and Grotto untill you get a tier 3 map? And can do all T1 maps if you completed a T3 map. If you dont have a tier 4 map, you have to do grotto and the tier 3 map till you get a tier 4? Thanks in advance!
Also confused on this. It's explained as if your getting perfect +1 or +2 map drops on every completion. Or course it doesn't really matter to me as Kirac trivializes early map proggresion. My main issue comes in getting shafted by corrupted modifications for red tier bonus completions, and trying to gear for late maps/endgame. I usually burn out by the time or before I get my first t16 completion.
This is how I understood it, I replied to a different comment on this video with more details but here's the summary: So to sum up: 1. Pick a T1 you like; Run it and only it until you drop a T2 2. Run that T2 map, after which you can either run your chosen T1 map OR the T2 map you just completed, don't run any other T1's or T2's. 3. Run those until you drop a T3 4. Run that T3 map, after that you can now run any of the T1 maps OR the T2 map you have completed OR the T3 map you have completed, no other maps 5. Until a T4 drops, you run the T4 after which you can run any of the T1 maps, any of the T2 maps, the ONLY T3 map you have completed OR the ONLY T4 you have completed, no other maps. 6. Rinse and repeat. First T5 drop > Run that map > can now run all of t1, t2, t3 and the only completed T4 and the only completed T5, etc.
@@BWBSoldya Thanks for the explanation. I understand now. I'll try this strat over the weekend and see if there's any noticeable change to my progression effeciency.
@@BWBSoldya Why would you run the same map over and over? Seems like a waste of time unless only not yet completed maps can drop the +2 maps. Also at your second point, you would want to run T2 maps only preferrably, not T1 or T2
I just don't get why this is the fastest way. Why complete T2 just after running a single T4 map? Why run the T4 map in the first place if you are not pushing the higher tiers? Why not run ALL maps first that are 2 tiers higher than your lowest uncompleted tier so you can drop connected maps that have a lower tier but are still uncompleted? I would absolutely love an explanation, thank you!
A map boss can drop +2 rarely. Unless you have a. Tier 4 unlocked, you are not able to drop the tier 4 from tier 2. So he’s just saying make sure you have the ability for the tier 4 to drop
Because if you run all the maps that are 2 tiers higher than your lowest uncompleted map, you're wasting the potential map boss drops on same tier instead of getting higher tier.
@@dhineshbabu3519 I think +2 tiers map drops come from upgrading a +1 tier map drop from atlas passives that give a chance for maps to drop a tier higher. AFAIK the chance to drop a +2 tiers map is independent of the completion on the atlas. (besides atlas passives). Or did I miss something?
@@korenn9381 I don't get what you are saying. The diagonal strategy suggests to always complete a single map that is 2 tiers higher than your lowest uncompleted map and then finish the lower tier maps before completing a map of the next highest tier. I suggest not completing the low tier maps but skip to the maps that are 2 (or maybe just 1) tier higher so you can drop both lower and higher tier maps that may be uncompleted instead of just having a chance to drop an uncompleted maps if you drop a higher tier map.
@@dubleblitz you want to complete tiers in order to get atlas points - but tyty says you should make sure that when you do, you always have a +2 map already completed so that if the boss drops a +2 map, it can.
what i understand from this is running one specific map at one tier until you have a map that is +2 tiers and then you can go back and get completion on the maps 2 tiers lower. does this mean i have completion on one map at the lower tier until i get a +2 tier map ?
Ideally yes, but maybe you'll have to run a few more to drop a map of the next tier If you run your first t2 but get no t3 drop, you'll want to run another t2 and so on, from what I understood at least.
@@SaintFranssoix first of all you shouldn't run more than 1 tier 2 untill you have run a tier 4 map. I think ideally you would want to run the same low tier and not get any completion on other maps before you have run a map +2 tiers higher
So if I finally understand this... I run a lvl N+2 map, then I run lvl N maps till I have them all... then run an N+3 map, then i run N+1 maps till have them all... and so on? Edit: example, I have run a t4 and t5 map, I'm missing 1 t3, now I keep doing t3 till I can horizon or upsell T2 and get that last one... after that I run the t5 that I have hopefully a copy or 2 of to get a T6... and then i start running T4s
What do I do if lets say I completed T1, T2, T3, completed all T1s, T3, T4 and now I am trying to run all T2s but I have none. What do I do now? Do I run T1s only to fill my T2s or can I run more T3 or T4?
Will there be 100% chance for the t2 map boss to drop a t3? If no, then what should I do, buy that same t2 or continue running the same t1 till i get the same t2 etc?
the only issue with doing this is you end up with alot of the same exact map type u ran the highest off, so i guess when running your highest level map try to complete first the one you like the layout the most, cause if you get map drops from that tier, they are all going to be that type.
Remember that maps that are connected to the map you're running can still drop even if you've not completed them yet. Completing a map just adds it to the global drop pool. So yes you will get mostly the ones you've already completed, but you still have the chance of dropping connected maps naturally.
@@KhronicD im talking from experience, do this and you will get swarmed by the +2 tier of the map you are doing, also i dont know how "conected" a map is considered when you are doing a tier 4 and your only tier 6 discovered is not "conected" to that tier 4 because it is a t6...
@@irrelevant12 the point is that once you get to that stage you can either trade your t6s for a t7 or run a few of them to get some adjacent maps to drop or in case you already have a few horizon orbs dropped you can also use them to get 1-2 new t6s
Yes. T1 Maps can drop anywhere at anytime regardless of completion. Completing those maps won't increase/decrease their chances to drop. But it will increase the drop chance of T2s attached to them.
What I understand is : Run a T1. Run a T2. Run a T3. Complete T1. Run T3>T2 until a T4. Run T4, Complete T2. Run T4>T3 until a T5. Run T5, complete T3. Run T5>T4 until a T6. Run T6, complete T4. Repeat until finished. Sound right?
No because you only run ONE specific map from the highest tier you have from what I understand, and once you reach a new tier you go back and complete all the maps 2 tiers lower
it looks like a top down strategy with an extra step where you simply delay running the 2ndHighestMapTier and go for lower map tier completion first. i simply do not believe the racers skip an uncompleted 2ndhigestmaptier map while they have completed all other maps.
I was temped to disagree with the principle involved ... and then remembered who authored the video and opted to just be quiet and try to learn :) I more-or-less followed the recommended approach but it was more ham-fisted without the rigor explained so it seems like it should be able to help.
Damn! Why is it every time I watch a tyty vid youtube automatically puts it on 2x playback speed??? it only seems to happen on his vids... Kappa... JK awesome FAST concise vid ty dude
Another PoE video that is short and informative... can I have more of this please :=) PoE content creators and the endless hours videos explaining a build or some part of the game is just BAD
1 league I tried Top down and didn't like how sometimes you cant sustain , for me the better its bottom-up, slow but steady, Diagonal strat never heard of it and didn't understand anything you where explaining here lol ,
it's because even tho a t1 map can drop a t3 map, you need a t3 map completed for that to happen so if ur running all your t1 maps before running any t3, ur effectively wasting t3 drops in return for useless equity TL;DR - a t1 (x) map cannot drop a t3 (x+2) map until you have completed that x+2 map. But once you have done it, all your tier X maps can now drop tier x+2, effectively giving you more x+2 maps to repeat the process
Lol where is the hurry? You can spam white Maps to get a larger pool , get map nodes and Kirac nodes first , then go Deli farm t16 stockup on clusters , craft them and you have a mageblood or HH , later just buy service for boss kills for 4 sextants and 5 way for 5 map device slots ez game
I have never had an issue with just completing maps bottom to top doing kirac missions and his vendor maps+drops. Sustain is super easy nowdays so Ive never even thought once of a "strat". You want to complete every map anyways for Atlas passives
My favorite strat is, which for some reason no one talks about, shadow shaping. Aka speedrun to reds to get at least 3 favorite maps then guarantee every map you do henceforth is completion
Tyty speedrunning what could have been a 20 minute video in 3:27, saved 16 minutes of my life
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@@fergusonja8 *proceeds to talk for 6 hours why boots with movespeed are good for your speed*
@@vadym5581 instructions unclear ended up back in act 1
yeah, too many make long ass wasted time videos.
But I have to watch 5 times
I was completely lost before the picture diagram.
Seems a lot of people are confused so let me try to explain: When a map drops, it chooses from only completed maps and connected maps to drop. So in a fresh atlas, when you are doing T1s, you can only drop maps connected to that T1, which would include T2s but not T3s or higher. If the T1 boss was going to drop a T3 map but you don't have any completed, you'll just bank some map equity, which is not as good this early on because equity doesn't help you sustain higher tiers at this phase. But if you complete a single T3, all of your T1 maps that would now drop a T3 have a valid drop target. Yes they will all be the same T3 map you just completed but that's what 3-for-1 vendor and horizon orbs are for.
Basically, when we traditionally run all lower tiers before higher tiers, the vast majority of those lower tiers just end up banking equity, which means you get even more of the lower tiers (which keeps you lower on the atlas). This is because that T5 map can't drop when you kill the T3 boss because you don't have any valid T5 map drops yet. But if you staircase it like how he explained, you will always have a valid X+2 drop whenever you run X (if X is the lower tier map you go back to). You still want to run maps for completion (so don't repeat maps unless you have to). But by reordering that completion this way, you maximize your chances of dropping the higher tier maps.
thanks for this!
TL;DR would be
1) Run tier 1 map, get tier 2 map
2) Run tier 2 map, get tier 3 map
3) Run tier 3 map, thus allowing it to drop from tier 1 maps.
4) Go back and run all tier 1 maps
5) Run tier 4 map, then go back to tier 2 maps, all tier 2 bosses will drop that tier 4 map you cleared
6) Repeat until completion
@@SpiderWevs not all bosses will drop 2 tier higher maps, they just have the chance to after you've completed that tier map im sure you know that just clarifying for those that dont
What do you mean when you say "map equity"? You mean that it will revert back to the "one tier higher or connected" rule?
@@mattb6646 My bad, yeah, drops are not guaranteed.
"Map bosses can drop a +2 (+3 if you run your maps corrupted and doesn't have to be completed) so make sure whatever tier you're running that you have completed a map that is 2 tiers higher if possible" is what I have always preached and said as the most important thing in Atlas progression. In essence this is the "top to bottom" as you would complete the highest tier map so you can find them as +2s when getting more completions done, but many people missed out on what's the main reason for running those high tier maps early.
You did a good job presenting the core strat in a short video even though you did miss out mentioning that corruption enables even a +3 that isn't completed. I think you could've spend a tiny bit more time explaining (and showing a picture to accompany that) why you should complete the T3 map instead of T2 despite not having a T5 available from that T3. For us it's obvious it's the adjacent maps but I think you glanced over that a bit too much.
W8.... this is totally new info to me! (played since closed beta btw)... Are you saying that If you run the very first t11 you get after having corrupted it to get the bonus, then the boss CAN drop up to a t14? Even if you have not yet completed a t12, t13 or a t14?
Presumably this also works for a t1 map then, but i guess most ppl don't start corrupting maps until t11 for the bonus objective...
@@Meisen1977 If you run a T11, and have T13 map unlocked (so the boss can naturally drop a +2 that you have available), then if boss drops corrupted loot (via being corrupted map or something else), that can corrupt the T13, turning it to a T14. This cannot happen if you don't have a T13 that would drop in the first place.
Now i understand, ty for the clarification kind sir
So you always want to have a +2 map unlocked so e.g. the map boss of a T1 can drop a +2 map. Otherwise you will miss out progress because the boss will drop just +1.
Thanks, I did not understand what he tried to explain. After reading your comment I watched his example again and now I understand.
correct me if im wrong, so i need to enter at least one T3 maps before im doing my T1s, to enable my T1 bosses to have T3 map drops too right?
This makes sense now.
@@highzyl this is what I understood, but I believe you have to kill the boss, not simply enter
@@francoismentec4260 Yea. You don't want to be entering maps and not get completion early on, you want as much completion as possible as fast as possible.
1. I love the fact that you are now posting YT videos, hopefully this becomes a regular thing.
2. The short duration is very muhc on brand, so even if I would have prefered longer content, maybe the shorter length is a genius idea.
3. Keep it up! Looking forward to seeing more content
He is a speedrunner, this is the long version!
I'm guessing it will be a regular thing now that he's on maxroll
I've watched this video like 5 times and still have a lot of situations where I'm confused about which map I should run.
I love the video length, great job Tyty- the man, the legend
2500 hours, and I just learned something. Thanks dude!
I had to watch this twice to understand, holy shit. Whenever I practice for a new league I don't bother doing maps so had no idea there was a strat like this, thank you T y t y killa
Nice, love how to the point and direct the video is, no bullshit, pure information
thanks for the concise and informative videos. cheers!
Very much appreciated. Concise information on early progression.
legendary amount of content in such a clear and concise video.
Okay, POE noob here trying to make sure I understand this:
Once you're at maps, you run maps you prefer until you get to a tier 3 map drop. Immediately play that map, then go and complete a lot of the tier 1 maps/bonus objectives. Once you do that, you should have a lot of tier 2 and 3s. You play 3s that you prefer until you get a tier 4 drop, at which point you'll play that map. Then you'll go down to tier 2s and complete a lot of those and their bonus objectives. Then after you have a lot of tier 3s and 4s, play 4s that you prefer until you get a map 5 drop. Complete that tier 5, then go back down and complete tier 3s. Repeat until at tier 16.
Correct? Also do you complete literally all/the majority of the maps two tiers lower, or just a decent amount of them?
That's what I understood too. And yes after doing the t3 you complete all t1 and after t4 all the t2 if possible. Don’t forget about kirac shop and the 3 maps vendor recipe
Just marking your comment.
you complete all the ones you have available, don't focus so much on "complete every single tier 2" to the point where you're spending time trying to find the last tier 2 map you don't have.
As I understand it the beginning is a bit different. So how I understand it is as follows; For t1 and t2 you pick 1 map out of each tier you like and you run exclusively that map. The other t1's and t2's you do not run. So in 3.21 we'll have Bone Crypt, Scriptorium, Alleyways and Colonnade in t1. Say you like Colonnade the best, cool. You get to maps and you run your colonnade's and only the colonnades. As soon as a T2 drops however, you run that T2. Say Silo is your first T2 drop. You then run Silo and only Silo maps. You do that until you get a T3 map, say strand is your first t3 drop, you run your strand map and once you completed that, THEN you can go back and complete the other T1 maps you have not completed yet. You can then run any T1 map you want, but you can still only run Silo as your T2 because that's what you got completed. Then when a t4 map drops, let's say fields, you run the fields and then you can back and complete the other T2's if you want until you drop a T5, after which you can complete all t3's, and so on and so forth.
So to sum up:
1. Pick a T1 you like; Run it and only it until you drop a T2
2. Run that T2 map, after which you can either run your chosen T1 map OR the T2 map you just completed, don't run any other T1's or T2's.
3. Run those until you drop a T3
4. Run that T3 map, after that you can now run any of the T1 maps OR the T2 map you have completed OR the T3 map you have completed, no other maps
5. Until a T4 drops, you run the T4 after which you can run any of the T1 maps, any of the T2 maps, the ONLY T3 map you have completed OR the ONLY T4 you have completed, no other maps.
6. ????
7. Apparently, profit
@@BWBSoldya I am saving your comment. Many thanks, this is so confusing for me
This is so incredibly value to me it's hard to put into words
always do bottom-up strat but might try diagonal next time. bottom-up just kinda makes sense to me because im not actively racing, i need to run every map for completion anyway, and the slow build up makes map sustain super easy and makes my character ready for higher tier content. But I do see value in mapping faster so unlock void stones and going back and getting completion from those maps which are now a much higher tier.
Had to watch the video like 4 times and run some maps and finally understand it. Thanks. Still a little confusing on how to get different maps of a certain tier, but still very helpful. Such a complex system as opposed to how it was when I used to play a million years ago. 😅
Thank you sir for providing always good and useful advices.
This is my 10 steps, based on my understanding:
1. Only run specific T1; T2 u like, get a T3
2. Run T3 (call X)
3. Back to run T1s, not T2s, get a lot of X
4. Run many X, get a T4
5. Run T4 (call Y)
5. Back to run T2s (avoid run completed T2s), not T3s, get a lot of Y
6. Run many Y, get a T5
7. Run T5 (call Z)
8. Back to run T3s (avoid run completed T3s), not T4s, get a lot of Z
9. Run many Z, get a T6
10. Repeat
Heres a thing, What if i need t4 maps and i have to run t2 maps and the only t2s are the completed ones
Thank you
So always run 2 tiers behind
Ty
@@AeyZeiNS2 Horizon orb and selling your T1 maps. 3-maps=higher tier map.
this would've been a 45 minute path of matth video
Almost like a comet... only appears once in a while but when it does, it's really something beautiful!
Extremely useful, thanks!
Im going to save this video real quick here... done. Thanks!
He's fast even when explaining stuff lol thanks a lot tyty
Fantastic video man, keep it up.
Fantastic video, thanks tyty
Damn, makes so much more sense now. Thanks speed god!
that description lmao good video
I was trying to simplify it but I found out that my description wasnt much better... I just hope I understood it xD
When i saw the video title i was like, i dont suck at progressing maps. Then i saw who uploaded and was like. I do suck at progressing maps.
Thanks! I am sure this helps a lot of us.
TY so much for such an efficient video - I just can't watch all videos I want on the league start cause there're so many of them. TY
Good strat. Appreciate the video!
Helpful and succinct, thanks.
This was really helpful. Thanks!
So if you ran that first tier 3 and you dropped a tier 4 map, ud run the tier 4. Then if no tier 5 drops, you runn your tier 2s, hope to get some t3s, then you run the tier 3s and hopecto get a 4. If you get the t4, you run it, if a 5 doesnt drop you run t3s. This correct?
If it is... in essence you 'unlock the next highest tier if possible, if not run maps 2 tiers below your current highest tier ? Ie if tier 7 is highest map i have completed and u have no tier 7s, u run t5s?
^ in that sitatuon would you run yiur tier 5s even if you habe map completion for them? Or ifcyou already habe map completion always use vendor recipe or horizon orbs
You would still run any uncompleted T1s to build a map pool even if you had a T4.
That is because T1s can only drop Tier 1, 2 or 3.
@Sal_McCoy oh. You wouldnt do uncompleted tier 2s to try and get 3s n4s?
I like this series. I wonder what else in path I suck at lol.
You also sleep in wrong positions. In case you wondering
@@EternalFlame74 how do you know? Hmmge
Thanks for the help!
holy shet, what a great video! ty twhy-twhy killa
Im too stupid to understand
You want to run all of the same map on the same tier or that tier+1 until you unlock a map two tiers higher. Then once you complete the 2 tier higher map, you want to pick maps that are two tiers back that you have not completed before. Unless I'm also stupid, you don't want to spread your progression out on a tier until you've unlocked maps two tiers higher. And to unlock maps two tiers higher you want to run the same map two tiers lower instead of every map two tiers lower until you get a higher map drop.
@@randomly-genrated Jebaited
@@Kektamusprime Don't be so sure he may actually be too stupid.
Great video!
ty tyty, mandatory comment to help algorithms. THAT looking
Appreciate the video. Would also love to learn how you think about speccing the atlas tree late game since you touched a little on how to spec it early on.
Can you make also 1 hour video?
Tnx Tyty!
I love tyty bro
Tyty you a legend bro
First of all, thanks for the info - very enlightening! Second, you really speak as fast as you race.
I was doing the Bottom-Up Method until now. TYTY for the Advice :)
I still prefer the bottom up method, but I'm not trying to speedrun my atlas completion. The only downside to the bottom up strat is that it's slower.
@@KhronicD true. If i let myself, i will optimise the fun out of Any Game.
Now this is content!
Thanks for tip!
Honestly, I find my atlas progressions ends up stopping no matter what approach I use. At some point, maps just stop dropping.
That is porbably your atlas spec
Sorry tyty let me finish my algebra class before I can understand this strategy
At 2:00, say we dropped a T5 instead of a T4, does the order change or are we running the T5 which allows us to clear T3s?
You wouldn't, map bosses drop maps 2 tiers higher only if you've done a map 2 tiers higher already. So if your highest map is a T3 you can only drop T4 maps, that's why you don't run T2's because they would only drop T3 maps. But once you do a T4 your T2's will now drop T4's.
The whole point of this strategy is that your always doing maps with the intent to either progress your atlas +1 or your doing maps 2 tiers lower than your current highest map to force +2's.
So if you only had T1, T2 and T3 maps, your highest map drop would be a T4 from a T3 map. However you can run T1's to get +2 drops to sustain your T3 maps, and once you do a single T4 your T2's you've stockpiled can be used to sustain your T4 map's so you can push into T5.
@@Rrezz Thanks, that explained the why part perfectly.
@@Rrezz so lets say in a perfect lucky world, I would get a +1 map every map from t1 to t15 and will be always doing them straight away.
but let say that only works till t5. let say
a) i got another t5, I would be running that t5 and hope for a t6 right?
b) if i dont get the t6 and ran out of t5s, I would be running my t3s and hope for a t5 which I would then be running.
i dont know. b) feels so weird. i will be running the t5 again with basically no map completion on the t1-t3 maps, therefore lacking atlas tree nodes, therefore beeing catapulted back to where i started. i guess i will be going for some kind of map completion until I get atleast one shaping node or smth.
edit: b) could be wrong. even if a t3 would drop t5, i would go for map completion of t3s first and gather a bunch of t5s. a) still right though probably.
Can someone tell me why racers go straight to the right side of the atlas instead of going through the middle? Going through the middle saves one travel node.
I've always just run what I don't have completion for, then run the highest map available after that. I usually am not geared for higher tier maps anyway and my progression always ends up where I need it to be, but I definitely drop an excess of lower tier maps by the end of it. I never have to buy normal maps or have trouble sustaining a map I like though.
Does wellspring of creation affects boss in map or just monsters?
What if you have completed map tier X, but also all map tier (X-2)? What if you run out of map tier (X-2)? What tier of map should be run then?
the X+1 tier
I understand most of it. But there is still 1 thing unclear for me. Lets say you run Alleyways and Grotto, but in those 2 maps you dont get a Fields / T3 map. Do you need to run only Alleyways and Grotto untill you get a tier 3 map? And can do all T1 maps if you completed a T3 map. If you dont have a tier 4 map, you have to do grotto and the tier 3 map till you get a tier 4? Thanks in advance!
Also confused on this. It's explained as if your getting perfect +1 or +2 map drops on every completion. Or course it doesn't really matter to me as Kirac trivializes early map proggresion. My main issue comes in getting shafted by corrupted modifications for red tier bonus completions, and trying to gear for late maps/endgame. I usually burn out by the time or before I get my first t16 completion.
This is how I understood it, I replied to a different comment on this video with more details but here's the summary:
So to sum up:
1. Pick a T1 you like; Run it and only it until you drop a T2
2. Run that T2 map, after which you can either run your chosen T1 map OR the T2 map you just completed, don't run any other T1's or T2's.
3. Run those until you drop a T3
4. Run that T3 map, after that you can now run any of the T1 maps OR the T2 map you have completed OR the T3 map you have completed, no other maps
5. Until a T4 drops, you run the T4 after which you can run any of the T1 maps, any of the T2 maps, the ONLY T3 map you have completed OR the ONLY T4 you have completed, no other maps.
6. Rinse and repeat. First T5 drop > Run that map > can now run all of t1, t2, t3 and the only completed T4 and the only completed T5, etc.
@@shadownightshade2420 Just wanted to make sure you saw my other reply to this comment as well ^^
@@BWBSoldya Thanks for the explanation. I understand now. I'll try this strat over the weekend and see if there's any noticeable change to my progression effeciency.
@@BWBSoldya Why would you run the same map over and over? Seems like a waste of time unless only not yet completed maps can drop the +2 maps. Also at your second point, you would want to run T2 maps only preferrably, not T1 or T2
And then there is me, doing multiple T1 and dropping only T1 \o/
TY dude
I just don't get why this is the fastest way. Why complete T2 just after running a single T4 map? Why run the T4 map in the first place if you are not pushing the higher tiers? Why not run ALL maps first that are 2 tiers higher than your lowest uncompleted tier so you can drop connected maps that have a lower tier but are still uncompleted? I would absolutely love an explanation, thank you!
A map boss can drop +2 rarely.
Unless you have a. Tier 4 unlocked, you are not able to drop the tier 4 from tier 2.
So he’s just saying make sure you have the ability for the tier 4 to drop
Because if you run all the maps that are 2 tiers higher than your lowest uncompleted map, you're wasting the potential map boss drops on same tier instead of getting higher tier.
@@dhineshbabu3519 I think +2 tiers map drops come from upgrading a +1 tier map drop from atlas passives that give a chance for maps to drop a tier higher. AFAIK the chance to drop a +2 tiers map is independent of the completion on the atlas. (besides atlas passives). Or did I miss something?
@@korenn9381 I don't get what you are saying. The diagonal strategy suggests to always complete a single map that is 2 tiers higher than your lowest uncompleted map and then finish the lower tier maps before completing a map of the next highest tier.
I suggest not completing the low tier maps but skip to the maps that are 2 (or maybe just 1) tier higher so you can drop both lower and higher tier maps that may be uncompleted instead of just having a chance to drop an uncompleted maps if you drop a higher tier map.
@@dubleblitz you want to complete tiers in order to get atlas points - but tyty says you should make sure that when you do, you always have a +2 map already completed so that if the boss drops a +2 map, it can.
When im doing a T2 and do not drop a T3, do i run a T2 which i have completed already or do i do a T2 which i havent completed?
good question, T2 which you haven't completed is better because you need the atlas bonus
what i understand from this is running one specific map at one tier until you have a map that is +2 tiers and then you can go back and get completion on the maps 2 tiers lower. does this mean i have completion on one map at the lower tier until i get a +2 tier map ?
Ideally yes, but maybe you'll have to run a few more to drop a map of the next tier
If you run your first t2 but get no t3 drop, you'll want to run another t2 and so on, from what I understood at least.
@@SaintFranssoix first of all you shouldn't run more than 1 tier 2 untill you have run a tier 4 map. I think ideally you would want to run the same low tier and not get any completion on other maps before you have run a map +2 tiers higher
So if I finally understand this... I run a lvl N+2 map, then I run lvl N maps till I have them all... then run an N+3 map, then i run N+1 maps till have them all... and so on?
Edit: example, I have run a t4 and t5 map, I'm missing 1 t3, now I keep doing t3 till I can horizon or upsell T2 and get that last one... after that I run the t5 that I have hopefully a copy or 2 of to get a T6... and then i start running T4s
What do I do if lets say I completed T1, T2, T3, completed all T1s, T3, T4 and now I am trying to run all T2s but I have none. What do I do now? Do I run T1s only to fill my T2s or can I run more T3 or T4?
Bottoms up chugNose
Will there be 100% chance for the t2 map boss to drop a t3? If no, then what should I do, buy that same t2 or continue running the same t1 till i get the same t2 etc?
Exactly as you describe, consider using one chiesel on map and then alch and go and cross your fingers for map to drop
@@WafelixRox Thank you so much Sir Wafel.
It did made things more confusing.
Please, someone explain diagonal strat better.
now i dont have any, couldnt sustain. Now what ?
Buy from kirac
@@Tytykiller he is offering just t1 and the highest tier i just did Sadge
the only issue with doing this is you end up with alot of the same exact map type u ran the highest off, so i guess when running your highest level map try to complete first the one you like the layout the most, cause if you get map drops from that tier, they are all going to be that type.
Remember that maps that are connected to the map you're running can still drop even if you've not completed them yet. Completing a map just adds it to the global drop pool. So yes you will get mostly the ones you've already completed, but you still have the chance of dropping connected maps naturally.
@@KhronicD im talking from experience, do this and you will get swarmed by the +2 tier of the map you are doing, also i dont know how "conected" a map is considered when you are doing a tier 4 and your only tier 6 discovered is not "conected" to that tier 4 because it is a t6...
@@irrelevant12 the point is that once you get to that stage you can either trade your t6s for a t7 or run a few of them to get some adjacent maps to drop or in case you already have a few horizon orbs dropped you can also use them to get 1-2 new t6s
its my start atlas tree for last league :) and in 3.21 too. also kirac and orb of horizon by best friends for fastest complete atlas.
*scratch head*... so... if i'm running t3s, any t1 can drop? even if i don't have completion on it?
Yes. T1 Maps can drop anywhere at anytime regardless of completion. Completing those maps won't increase/decrease their chances to drop. But it will increase the drop chance of T2s attached to them.
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TH-cam Algorithm listened, first video in my recommended 🗿
What I understand is :
Run a T1. Run a T2. Run a T3. Complete T1.
Run T3>T2 until a T4. Run T4, Complete T2.
Run T4>T3 until a T5. Run T5, complete T3.
Run T5>T4 until a T6. Run T6, complete T4.
Repeat until finished.
Sound right?
Sounds like you described the "top-down" strategy
No because you only run ONE specific map from the highest tier you have from what I understand, and once you reach a new tier you go back and complete all the maps 2 tiers lower
it looks like a top down strategy with an extra step where you simply delay running the 2ndHighestMapTier and go for lower map tier completion first. i simply do not believe the racers skip an uncompleted 2ndhigestmaptier map while they have completed all other maps.
I was temped to disagree with the principle involved ... and then remembered who authored the video and opted to just be quiet and try to learn :) I more-or-less followed the recommended approach but it was more ham-fisted without the rigor explained so it seems like it should be able to help.
So if I wanna chillaxo maxo I jut go Bottom Up ayo.
tyvm
Top down, bottoms up? Sounds interesting, maybe I will actually give this league a try. 🤔
Tyty assume map drops for mortals like us.
Im gonna be real I didn't get 80% of what you said.....:(
I just never leave Blood Aquaducts
Quin69 say this speed its ok ......
Damn! Why is it every time I watch a tyty vid youtube automatically puts it on 2x playback speed??? it only seems to happen on his vids... Kappa... JK
awesome FAST concise vid ty dude
I was a consistent bottom upper before this
big up
Another PoE video that is short and informative... can I have more of this please :=) PoE content creators and the endless hours videos explaining a build or some part of the game is just BAD
1 league I tried Top down and didn't like how sometimes you cant sustain , for me the better its bottom-up, slow but steady, Diagonal strat never heard of it and didn't understand anything you where explaining here lol ,
it's because even tho a t1 map can drop a t3 map, you need a t3 map completed for that to happen
so if ur running all your t1 maps before running any t3, ur effectively wasting t3 drops in return for useless equity
TL;DR - a t1 (x) map cannot drop a t3 (x+2) map until you have completed that x+2 map. But once you have done it, all your tier X maps can now drop tier x+2, effectively giving you more x+2 maps to repeat the process
Lol ive done that even without thinking about it.
Lol where is the hurry? You can spam white Maps to get a larger pool , get map nodes and Kirac nodes first , then go Deli farm t16 stockup on clusters , craft them and you have a mageblood or HH , later just buy service for boss kills for 4 sextants and 5 way for 5 map device slots ez game
I have never had an issue with just completing maps bottom to top doing kirac missions and his vendor maps+drops. Sustain is super easy nowdays so Ive never even thought once of a "strat". You want to complete every map anyways for Atlas passives
Totally confused
Am I really the only one who didn't understand anything the first time they've watched that?
My favorite strat is, which for some reason no one talks about, shadow shaping.
Aka speedrun to reds to get at least 3 favorite maps then guarantee every map you do henceforth is completion
getting favorite slots required t16 which is not the scope of this video. this is for mapping after kitava
I don't understand it, top-down for the win!
huge
Sounds like a fairy tale to me as none of the bosses are looting T+2 maps :/ (even with a T+2 already complete)