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00:07 unattractive beta guy says "he cares more about his academic more than the life of an animal.." well the news is his academics doesn't matter to anyone, he wasn't born rich and he is not alpha too, so girl don't care neither! Probably he ends working hard all his life as an average Joe, then becomes redpill at old age! 😂 Thank God we have the Elite to keep these in check!
They probably don’t care that much, probably thinking that most people that are gonna watch this will be triggered carnists that will agree with every nonsensical argument they tried to put forward.
Right... the "coversation" (if you can call it that) is so difficult to follow because blue jumper at some points literally just says random words that are in no way related to the topic or make any logical sense. Pretty sure if you open up the top of his head you'll find a monkey with cymbals.
No not at all , grey shirt guy even mentioned that he wanted to be vegeterian by himself in the past so there wasnt much to convice there probaly just wanted to hear some facts for the little push to try vegan or vegeterian "diet" , however blue jumper guy's views are more realistic compared to the average human , i think that is what makes the convo interesting
@@absolutedomination5254 I get that, blue jumper being a stand in for most carnists is one way to look at it. It's just irritating to see that Ed had the possibility to help someone make a more compassionate change but was steamrolled over because of blue jumper. That was my takeaway from the video, at least
Hi! I'm a vegan from South Africa (developing world). To the two guys being interviewed- there are people in my country who are not in a position to choose what they eat but please don't underestimate how many people are, and how many are currently making a change. Don't use us as an excuse to justify your choices.
"it's moral because it happens" is one of the craziest takes I've heard so far 💀 why do people pretend they have the reasoning skills of a 4 year old when arguing against veganism?
The moral inconsistency of people in their argument is actually a reflection of our laws in a carnist society. Remember, it's illegal to do cruel acts against dogs and cats in people's houses but if they are pigs, cows and chickens on a farm for money, their wellbeing doesn't matter. Even if you take a cow out of a factory farm and on green pastures, they still have to go to a slaughter house if you want to eat her.
It definitely caught me off guard, I think he said it in a rush to find an argument. It wasn't something he thought about clearly.. but yeah I've never heard that one before and it's clearly a pretty awful argument.
Though somewhat aggravating, it's interesting watching someone experiencing cognitive dissonance go in logical circles making the same fallacious arguments over and over.
@@AeroOnFire There will never be a perfect world, but making choices and trying to guide society down routes that cause the least amount of suffering and allowing for more peace isn't a unworthy venture just because perfection can't be reached. Just because I know that there will likely never be a world that murder doesn't happen, doesn't mean I shouldn't act to prevent it.
yeh right, the violence perpetuated by the crop protection industry to protect your precious vegan slop so you can virtue signal your faux moral superiority in the comment section
@@andreimaxwell4455 What does that have to do with anything? The question is why aren't YOU vegan, not why the Bedouin aren't. You get your food from a supermarket. You have the choice. Further, healthy soil is rapidly declining thanks to industrial agriculture, which is largely for animal agriculture. Ending industrial animal agriculture will be a boon for soil health. And our rapidly dwindling aquifers in the US but that's 'merely' another issue that would be resolved from ending animal agriculture (in addition to vastly reducing antibiotic use / risk of superbugs, helping out indigenous peoples whose lands are threatened by animal agriculture such as in Brazil etc etc).
@@andreimaxwell4455 So nothing to do with soil quality? Why even bring it up? "It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases." So, anyone can be vegan and healthy. Just as you're wrong about soil quality, you're wrong about how it's unhealthy to be vegan. Just remember: if you want to do your part to erode soil health, and edge indigenous peoples out of their land - and encourage ranchers to outright murder them - support animal agriculture.
He is against hunting but is pro factory farming. Will say any nonsense to try and justify himself because he went into this debate with his mind made up
Ending animal agriculture in favor of a plant-based food system would be a lot more sustainable than factory farmed animal agriculture. Better for the environment, better for biodiversity, would feed more people, and waste a lot fewer natural resources.
@@omnivacuous162factory farming is 100% more sustainable than hunting. But that's not very relevant in a discussion about ethics, sustainability is a different conversation. It would be very sustainable to Thanos snap half of the world population, but it would not be ethical.
Be open to this. I was told to my face I was a hypocrite for exactly this reason, by a vegan friend. It’s from there that I changed. A lot of people do wake up to that precise kind of hypocrisy, he might too
Here's one. I have no moral obligation to something or someone that cannot equally reciprocate. Can't wait for all the strawmen arguments about mentally handicapped individuals to try and poke holes in this.
@@_Bush_Bush_sadly people that eat flesh support those type of people because they aren’t a non human and deserves rights. I had two flesh eaters say they are heals at a higher standard than a chicken. It’s sad. Humans are too far gone.
Nah. They were both relatively polite and engaged in the convo. You can't expect them to have the best arguments because it's clearly not something they have given much thought. Of course they're gonna be a little defensive on the topic - it's an emotive issue. The average knuckle dragger on the street faced with this question would be like "bro bro f*** that, brooo"
You gotta admire Eds patients with all the potential vegans he debates,especially when it comes down to well I can't change the world so why bother.Sadly people who don't wanna be vegan will never be vegan.Ed and if you watch him regularly you've heard it all,every arguement,every get me out of here,every well I'm not responsible cause my god says, it gets to the point where it's infuriating.People know it's a horrendous industry and Ed can educate but it's down to the individual to tune in their conscience to their actions,but sadly a lot of people just don't care enough to do that.This is a topic that should be part of the education system as kids always react against animal cruelty but by the time their adults they're sadly lost.
I've never understood the argument of 'one person will never make a difference'. One person can make a huge difference, all change starts with an individual.
@@MustardSkaven Yes, but every individual needs to decide to take action for themselves - alone. You can't wait for others to start. YOU need to be the change. And if many people think and act like that, they are many in the end and have the power to change a lot.
Totally. Especially if you think about the difference of eating meat every day vs not. That's literally hundreds of animals per year whose death you didn't contribute to. I'd say that's a difference.
20:47 THIS !! After being vegan for almost 4 years now, each day I find more and more people who are vegan, I see more and more vegan options around me, and that's in part due to the choices I have made individually. The saddest part is that you feel like you aren't doing anything at all, which is what makes it hard to stick to but hindsight shows is working.
Yes! Also me being vegan without activly trying to get other people to become vegan still changed their amount of meat and overall animal product consumption (Milk).
you're all doing great stay true ❤ not everyone has it in them to do activism. just support those who can and each time you buy something ethical / vegan it DOES contribute.
Individual choices make a big difference when you add them all up! I've been vegan for about 8 years now and I think of it in this way - if each week I ate a chicken, a pack of 8 sausages, a pack of 500g mince and a box of 6 eggs, multiply that by 52 for one year, then multiply that by 8 for the amount of years I have been vegan. I would have personally have consumed 416 chickens, 3328 sausages, 208kg of beef and 2784 eggs. I have chosen to not eat those animals and I have chosen to not contribute to the suffering with those animals, regardless of what anyone else is choosing to eat. Thank you for sticking with it!
"Why should i care about a chicken" The fact that this kid has to ask that question out loud tells you how little he thinks of animals. What kind of person kills animals when they don't to?
Whenever someone asks “what difference can one person make?” I say “A lot.” I ask them to think about how much money they spend on food in one year. How many thousands of dollars they are giving to companies that torture and exploit animals. That money can go to vegan businesses and strengthen their position. The actions of one person does make a difference.
@@DylitubeBecause regenerative farming is not anywhere near as effective as its proponents suggest. What would be significantly more effective, would be the reduction of overall agricultural land use and the rewilding of that agricultural land. Wild spaces, particularly forests, are significantly larger carbon sinks than some grass with some cows on it
@@Dylitube 75% of arable land is used for animal agriculture including the growing of crops to feed them with. Therefore, if we were all vegan for the climate crisis, we could feed the world and have land left over to rewild and reforest (Oxford University 2021). 😏
Regenerative grazing only stores carbon in the soil until that area of soil becomes saturated with carbon. After that all the greenhouse gases go into the atmosphere from that point on.
...who will soon be murdered by ranchers for their land so that they can feed the carnists beef and/or grow animal feed. Or who are systematically losing forest to hunt in, again for animal agriculture. ugh people >:(
@@hiking1388 Unfortunately an inevitable consequence of living in an economic system based on exploitation… but the fact that people are now increasingly aware of these facts gives me hope for change. 💚🌱
Oh the amount of indigenous people from my country who were murdered by people/companies trying to steal their land to raise cattle 😢 not only in the amazon rainforest but also at the pantanal wetlands, which is increasingly becoming more desert-like. My country is being destroyed for meat, that was the first reason why I became vegan
Well it's not pointless it's criminal actually, when the system brainwashes you to believe that you should eat grass and make everyone else do the same and ignore your own natural senses.
@@MustardSkavensupply and demand. the less people eat meat, the less animals that will be bred and killed for meat. it’s also just consciously knowing you at least didnt contribute to it.
I noticed their arguments always came back to fear of “big changes” so it might be helpful to mention the “big changes” is usually just picking the option on the left instead of the right on the menu lol
That's ultimately what dissuades people from doing the right thing: group think. They're afraid of changing, of being too different to be accepted, even if it means that not changing will continue to lead to the exploitation and killing of others. We have to make it acceptable to change for the better.
quite literally i was invited to a munch at bufflo wild wings and a family dinner at a black bear inn. i got potato wedges and a salad at bdubs, and hashbrowns and some lemonade at black bear. not that hard, even at places specifically catering to meat eaters almost exclusively. it's still processed food at eat out restaurants, and even with unfamiliar people when it came to the munch. it's often not actually big changes that tends to actually affect people's actions, but the social consequences of said actions, and people's ideas about the "big changes" in their lives if they were to identify as a certain person. they know the looking down on vegans they do, and they definitely don't want to be looked down on. but as a certain cartoon character has said" your boo's mean nothing, because i know what you cheer for.
925 million humans (1 in 9) suffer from hunger, yet 80 billion unnaturally bred animals on farms are given enough human edible food that could support 4 billion humans directly. -University of Minnesota DOI 10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015
The ability to produce food is not the problem, it's economics. If everyone put the money they spend on internet to feeding other ppl everyone would be fed.
When it comes to diet, one person can have a huuuuge impact! When I became vegan, one of the most surprising things to me was how many people around me were paying attention to what I was doing. Your actions and choices send a message to everyone around you.
soooooo many people do not realize they are essentially saying that if they were placed inside a cult like Scientology, they effectively would be unable to get out of said cult. and i say this as a cult survivor.
Hey I'm from Asia. Stop using us as an excuse to continue to harm animals. The question is why aren't you vegan not why aren't the poor from an underdeveloped nation vegan. Also, if you care so much about the poor, then you shouldn't be eating meat. Food sources are diverted for livestock rather than for direct human consumption.
You know what frustrates me. In sooooo many discussions like this, it very quickly moves away from the most vital and important point that exploiting , abusing and killing other sentient beings is wrong, and moves on to politics, capitalism, anything to dodge and avoid sticking with what sentientism and veganism is about.
"exploiting , abusing and killing other sentient beings is wrong" Because that is an opinion or personal view. You can debate about it and maybe change someone's view but it's not a logical argument. If someone disagrees then it ends there and there is no way to convince them to go vegan.
@@MustardSkaven There is no point having a mind if you never change it. I think it is an incredibly logical argument. There is exploitation, animal abuse, and the killing of sentient animals all over the planet, largely in industrial meat production factories.
@@jamesharrison1991 Yeah and grass grows. Making claims does nothing if the other person doesn't care about it like you do. "Plants, fungi and bacteria are alive! It's wrong to kill something that is alive and then eat !t" Doesn't matter how many times someone tells you that, does it? You're not suddenly going to go "OMG that's horrible! We should stop it!" are you? Same thing. So it's baffling you consider it a good argument.
How did they get into university, if they don't even understand the basics of the discussion? Do they even have a grasp of what an ethical decision is? This is so frustrating to watch. I admire your patience, Ed!
@@alexhardy4559 That's not what I was trying to express, it was the lack of grasping the subject - could have been any other topic. It's like if you have to write an assignment on a specific given topic and end up writing one on a different topic, or it least that is what it feels like watching this...
@@valdkynd fair enough but imo that simply tells how irrelevant or indifferent a topic is to someone. I'm an electronics major, so mechanics is irrelevant to me and that is probably the reason I'll deviate like the college kids did. Another fact they just wanted to win an argument without actual research so well they got their moment
@@alexhardy4559 That's of course possible. I just hope they started thinking about it once they were at home by themself reflecting on the experience.
I truly believe a vegan world will be best for humanity, and not just non-human animals. Because it will be a world rooted in empathy, and also some humility. And the more a society has those two things, the better they are for those who live there.
It's disappointing to see young people, specially students who're supposed to be more open minded, ideologic and aspiring to do better and change the World in a positive manner with such closed-minded, egocentric, powerless and defeatist attitude.
@@Dylitube Raising animals for food and leather requires huge amounts of feed, pastureland, water, and fossil fuels. Animals on factory farms produce 130 times as much excrement as the entire human population, without the benefit of waste treatment plants. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has even acknowledged that livestock pollution is the greatest threat to our waterways. Although some leather makers deceptively tout their products as “eco-friendly,” turning skin into leather also requires massive amounts of energy and dangerous chemicals, including mineral salts, formaldehyde, coal-tar derivatives, and various oils, dyes, and finishes, some of them cyanide-based. Most leather produced in the U.S. is chrome-tanned, and all wastes containing chromium are considered hazardous by the EPA. Tannery waste contains large amounts of pollutants, such as salt, lime sludge, sulfides, and acids. The process of tanning stabilizes the collagen or protein fibers in skins so that they stop biodegrading-otherwise, the leather would rot right in your closet. People who work in and live near tanneries suffer, too. Many die of cancer possibly caused by exposure to toxic chemicals used to process and dye the leather. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that the incidence of leukemia among residents in an area near one tannery in Kentucky was five times the U.S. average. Arsenic, a common tannery chemical, has long been associated with lung cancer in workers who are exposed to it on a regular basis. Studies of leather-tannery workers in Sweden and Italy found cancer risks “between 20% and 50% above [those] expected.” In addition, raising the animals whose skin eventually becomes leather requires vast quantities of water and wide tracts of pastureland, which must be cleared of trees. In fact, in the last half century, 70 percent of the Amazon rainforest has been cleared to make way for pastures or for growing feed crops. This mass deforestation causes habitat loss for millions of species, eliminates the Earth’s tree canopy, and drives climate change. Animal agriculture and its methane- and nitrous oxide-rich products, including leather, are leading contributors to climate change. Runoff from feedlots and dairy farms also creates a major source of water pollution. Leather has one of the greatest impacts on eutrophication of all materials used for fashion, a serious ecological problem in which runoff waste creates an overgrowth of plant life in water systems, which suffocates animals by depleting oxygen levels in the water and is the leading cause of hypoxic zones, also known as “dead zones.” The EPA has confirmed that factory farms account for 70 percent of the water pollution in the U.S. By some estimates, animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse gases than all of the world’s transportation systems combined. Huge amounts of fossil fuels are consumed in livestock production as well, and cow-derived leather has almost three times the negative environmental impact as its synthetic counterparts, including polyurethane (PU) leather. The production of leather hurts animals, the environment, and the workers who manufacture it. The only ones who benefit are people who profit from the misery and suffering of others. Thankfully, there are plenty of sustainable vegan leather options to choose from today that mimic the properties of leather without the cruelty to animals or environmental devastation. And there is lab grown leather that does'nt involve the exploitation and use of animals in any way at all. Maybe do your research instead of trolling vegan channels with your uneducated nonsense.
@@Dylitube Is this a serious question? You need only look at the 1st law of thermodynamics to understand why your "solution" kills thousands more insects than a full plant based diet lmao
@@Dylitube Growing and harvesting crops to feed over 90 billion farm animals every day kills far more wildlife than crops grown for 8 billion people. 😏
you can fight even such idiotic arguments by pointing out that a cow eats a lot more plants than I do, so if we eliminate the need of the cow by not growing them for food, we would even reduce the oh so awful plant suffering!
B12: I'm a long time vegan. I started taking a B12 supplement and my subsequent blood test indicated my level was too high. The added B12 in the plant milk I put in my tea was enough without the supp.
Ed's calm and professionalism is truly remarkable. This goes to show, you can give all the arguments in the world to a meat-eater, it seems to boil down to one thing: the courage to change.
Almost every conversation has at some point the meat eaters talking about plants, lions, "everybody" or like in this conversation cars. Ed, you're a master at getting people back to the topic at hand and holding them accountable. Brilliant as always 💡 💚
@TapTapTaap this ain't a third world country my guy. Stick to reality. If you can't care about animals then atleast care about your fellow humans and closed ones, who are/will be directly affected by climate change. No need to view veganism as a philosophy, just look at it as a logical, mathematical choice. That's it. Stick to reality and do what the right thing is, before it's too late.
Goodness me, I can't believe that guy busted out the "what do we do with all the animals?" tripe at the end after claiming that he understands economics.
You made them think, for the guy on the left about three issues for the first time. All you can really do. Most vegans were once naive and arrogant about our habits. There's a lot of hope here.
Animal agriculture uses 83% of farmland and only provides 18% of calories. When we switch to a plant based food system, we can restore/reforest 76% of farmland AND be able to feed everyone. -J. Poore, Oxford, journal Science
@@MustardSkaven The meat and milk from animals that rely solely on grazing provide just 1% of the world’s protein. Food Climate Research Network If everyone switched from grain-fed to pasture-fed beef, because they grow more slowly on grass, the number of cattle would have to rise by 30% and the land area used to feed them would rise by 270%. - Environmental Research Let. Even if we felled all our forests, drained our wetlands, watered our deserts and annulled our national parks, we would need 2 more Earth's to meet current demand.
Wow, Ed got to the point where he was arguing for any basic morals at all and trying to teach these kids how to care about anything in life (other than their own wants and needs). Exhausting work.
The guy in the dark blue hoodie has a smirk on his face constantly, he didn't give a crap from beginning to end, but light grey shirt person actually wanted information. If light grey went vegan, the darker shirt would defs try to stop lighter shirt, or keep convincing them to be like him. Lighter grey shirt looks like he would go vegan if he didn't have dark blue hoodie holding him back from growth. The blue hoodie shirt person was using whataboutism & fallacies like crazy, & can't win the moral/ethical argument so they argue EVERYTHING else. Grey shirt recognizes, & is almost there. I wish Ed brought up vegetarianism is far worse & I'd argue go vegan & why vegetariansim is worse & why. Dark blue hoodie also keeps trying to take more space, physically overtaking light grey shirt. It feels like dark hoodie is trying to keep a barrier between Ed & light grey, dark shirt. It's as if they are afraid of losing, losing his friend, getting defensive more, no reason for the physical actions except aggitation, fear, whatever he was feeling building up & when he had no more agruments & still lost, he was so raring to get going. 💚🌱💚Vegan for Them💚🌱💚 🚫No Excuse for Abuse🚫
Good insight. I really wish people took the time to actually reflect on what they are espousing and what they are hearing instead of just spewing the same old fallacies over and over. I agree that a lot of this does have to do with the fact that some people just do not really care and/or are coming from a place of bad faith
"People can avoid smoking, but they still smoke, therefore eating meat is good." The case for veganism is watertight, but we need to get of our arses and disabuse people. The guy on the left concedes early on, if only tacitly, that it'd be best to be vegan (but his position is that he isn't vegan because his proverbial vote doesn't matter). Thank you, Ed.
I always think about all of the horribly sad footage of animals dying when someone is trying to justify eating meat. I really think people need to witness that to understand what we vegans mean. They are so removed from the actual murder that happens and it makes them look so insensitive without them realizing it.
I was once a die-hard meat eater and a proud hunter. I still remember that first hunting trip as if it just happened. We were out there in the forest, silent, waiting. Then, an innocent deer appeared, and in one shot, everything changed. That "prey" they called it-our target-was hit straight through the spine. The deer collapsed, and its legs stopped working. But it was still alive, and in agony, it cried out, struggling. The adults looked down at us, handing over the knife with an unspoken command: *finish it*. They said it would be mercy. I remember my hands shaking as I looked into its eyes, the life still pulsing behind them. None of us kids could do it. Later, when my father reassured me that it was okay, because, after all, God had given us animals to use, it felt... less wrong. He said, "God made animals for us to kill for food" Those words wrapped everything up neatly; if the divine authority permitted it, it must be right, right? After all, God is wise; he wouldn't just ask us to kill sentient beings. So, I went on, comforted by the idea that animals were, in a way, just NPCs in this big world of ours-there for us to use. Then, as I grew older, I found myself immersed in something else-technology. Nerdy as it sounds, getting into hardware and software engineering changed everything. I started learning how systems work, how input devices receive information and send it to processors. Ears, eyes, and skin... just like humans, animals have them, too. And I started wondering if maybe they aren’t just *things*. Maybe they’re lives that process the world in ways we don’t fully understand, but they certainly *experience* it. And, piece by piece, the comfort of those old beliefs fell apart. I realized that the screams of that deer and the terror in its eyes weren’t just reflexes; they were reactions to suffering, fear, and a life cut short. The prophets may have said animals were ours to kill, but once I saw them as fellow beings, that no longer felt like truth. It felt like a lie. Now, I choose compassion over cruel forms of entertainment and flavor. I choose to live in a way that minimizes harm, to respect life rather than take it. Going vegan isn’t about perfection-it’s about seeing the world, finally, without our ancestors' blinders. I see now that there’s no "prey," no “divine right” to take life, only a responsibility to protect it.
Please keep posting these debating videos. We can see the fallacies of non vegan arguments so much easier. I went vegan because of these type of videos
Think for yourself. Farming is inherently moral. Would you rather be reincarnated as livestock or a plant? Livestock for sure would rather be alive than not.
@@he.5865 Try using the same logic applied to (human) slaves.. "They were BRED for this, so it's moral! -Just ASK them if they'd rather be DEAD!" Very disingenuous. Like "hey, I just cut off their HAND, and I COULD have cut-off their whole ARM! That therefore makes my actions MORAL, even KIND, when ya simply THINK about it in the proper way!" -The last thing on earth oppressors ever want to do, is TRULY 'allow a vote to', those they're oppressing; to truly put themselves in the other's place; -instead, it's always some selfserving, blindered argument, its conclusion completely predetermined, its 'research', if any, ludicrously shallow.
I recently discovered your channel. And im really glad of the amount of activism you do as a vegan. I've been vegetarian (currently in transition to vegan) for almost 3 years and every day I believe I've made the right decision.
Appreciate the two young lads trying to understand your perspective, felt like they were trying to learn the truth... Hope they learn & make a change for the betterment of everyone
@@adriana_cer Hehe, Yes we watched the same one... But each one of his statements were answered by Ed, which will cause him to question his past beliefs which helped him justify his actions. I'm not saying he'll go vegan right after the conversation with Ed, but a seed has been planted... Hope it grows 🤍🌱
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 you mean the Bad cult against unneccecary violence Explotation and Killing. Or do you mean the cult for unneccecary violence Killing and Explotation?
Guy on the left thought he’d come on this for a joke but is realising he’s (pardon the pun) getting cooked. This is why he keeps looking out to the crowd, because he’s embarrassed and dying inside
They need to watch earthlings and the other docos and see if that becomes the catalyst for change based on ones capacity to have mercy and compassion of the voiceless and innocent beings, keep going Ed, you are so well spoken and make so much sense 🙏🪷
@@adriana_cerYou and op bit harsh on those yet to make a connection. If u told me at 20 to see why vegans r vegans I woulda said What would I eat? But bacon is so nice. Vegetables without steak! Meat is so tasty.... Would I call myself dumb? No but maybe naive. You could present all ed's debate points and I would shrug. Fast-forward to today and I think he is brilliant.
@@drestarman I would definitely call myself dumb for laughing at veganism before going vegan 🤷🏼♀️ I know I was a hypocrite and made some really dumb comments
This is an amazing discussion, Ed. The way they tried to sidetrack is unbelievable, but the way you keep the conversation on an even keel and peel back the layers of their reasoning is impressive. All the best from Poland!
I wrote a song about slaughter called Only For Slaughter. Animal rights activists/vegans might be able to use it to plant seeds in peoples head to help them think about their choices. Ed, you're doing important work and so much good for the world. Much love.
Why do people always try to culturally appropriate other people for their own actions? They start getting saying "oh the developing world" or " this tribe"... He's talking about you in the first world, not anyone else. YOU!!!
His patience never seize to amaze me... "I get the feeling I am not going to convince you NOW"!!! Wow!! I would have given up in the first minute since they seem that they just don't want to stop (one of them at least)... And it would have been a mistake... I have HUGE respect for him! One of the strongest people on earth
Good point, Lucas.. And if these same nonvegans would consent to WATCH even (some) vegan documentaries, or read at least SOME vegan literature, they'd quickly SEE (among other things) -how heavily, constantly the 'livestock' they consume are 'supplemented'. So many deliberately choose NOT to know.. Then mutter, 'I didn't know!' -Along with (shudder), 'take a pill or capsule? -NO WAAAAYYY!' Lol; if WILLFUL- ignorance were a capital-crime, the Earth would have far fewer of us humans on it.. 'What you don't know, can even kill you.'
A stronger argument would be to use a voting analogy. For example, imagine you're a Trump supporter, and you know Biden is almost certainly going to win. Would you still cast your vote for Trump? Most likely, yes, because even if it doesn't change the outcome, you want to stand by what you believe is right. Similarly, choosing to go vegan isn't just about immediate change-it's about aligning your actions with your values, regardless of the larger outcome.
your local municipality (any govt body) isn't handling waste collection properly. and it has come to a situation where people are dumping their garbage in certain public places causing a lot of issues. the sight of these sites piled with garbage bags has become common. would you join others and dispose the garbage from your house too there even when there are alternative better options available and just because just me not choosing to not do it wont change the issue? you know very well how much problem its causing to everyone. so what do you think would you do in such a situation. might be a good point to ask.
Unfortunately that happens even in voting. Like alot of people say they prefer RFK Jr. over the other candidates, he still gets less support because most ppl don’t believe he has a chance of winning
@@Theedeadman If people choose not to support candidates they believe in because they think they won't win, it undermines the very principles of standing by what you think is right. If everyone thought this way, we wouldn't see any progress or representation for alternative views. Believing in something and taking a stand for it is important, regardless of the immediate outcome.
@@hetanthakkar5066Why is voting for a losing candidate important? What is gained by doing so? I think there's more nuance to it than simply saying you must vote for the candidate that best represents your ideas and values. Let's say RFK best represents me by a landslide compared to Trump and Kamala. If I know he isn't going to win and I suspect one candidate will ruin our economy, would it be wise to vote for the losing candidate or the one candidate who has a chance of winning and who won't ruin our economy?
For over 20years now me and my husband have been vegan according to God’s will for our health. After the first year I began to notice the color of my husband’s complexion change for the better. Which meant his blood circulation was improving! It has been a big blessing for us both! Glory Hallelujah ❤
Apathy, also referred to as indifference, is a lack of feeling, emotion, interest, or concern about something…. Unfortunately these guys couldn’t give a shit about anything, let alone the life of a sentient creature….. Next !! Keep up the good work Ed !! You do make a difference! Thank you 👍😊
Its definitely not easy. I try to eat organic non sprayed and its really difficult to get my hands on quality organic produce even here in europe. And its expensive. Every producer should be focusing on organic growing. pesticides are killing people
If it was that easy to eat a plant based died why are u eating fake looking meat products whitch are filled with more awful stuff like fat sugar and its loads more expensive its bland & tasteless than a meat diet
I worked a Plant-Based Treaty table at the two universities here in Winnipeg and was pleasantly surprised at how many students were either vegan or vegetarian and aware of the devastating impacts of animal agriculture. But it appears there are still many myths floating around out there. Thanx for the convo, Ed!
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Great on your part @ed.winters. The interviewees, not so much. Too much listening to respond. 0 listening to understand.
Define "VEGANISM".
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I always wondered if these people go back and watch themselves on TH-cam and have any self awareness to how their arguments sound
It's a really good question. I'm sure at least some of them have seen their debates.
I too have wondered this
00:07 unattractive beta guy says "he cares more about his academic more than the life of an animal.." well the news is his academics doesn't matter to anyone, he wasn't born rich and he is not alpha too, so girl don't care neither!
Probably he ends working hard all his life as an average Joe, then becomes redpill at old age! 😂
Thank God we have the Elite to keep these in check!
They probably don’t care that much, probably thinking that most people that are gonna watch this will be triggered carnists that will agree with every nonsensical argument they tried to put forward.
Right... the "coversation" (if you can call it that) is so difficult to follow because blue jumper at some points literally just says random words that are in no way related to the topic or make any logical sense. Pretty sure if you open up the top of his head you'll find a monkey with cymbals.
Grey jumper seemed to be actually interested in the discussion, but blue jumper just would not stop with the ridiculous arguments.
ALMOST as ridiculous as Edward's definition of "veganism".
No not at all , grey shirt guy even mentioned that he wanted to be vegeterian by himself in the past so there wasnt much to convice there probaly just wanted to hear some facts for the little push to try vegan or vegeterian "diet" , however blue jumper guy's views are more realistic compared to the average human , i think that is what makes the convo interesting
@@absolutedomination5254 I get that, blue jumper being a stand in for most carnists is one way to look at it. It's just irritating to see that Ed had the possibility to help someone make a more compassionate change but was steamrolled over because of blue jumper. That was my takeaway from the video, at least
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@@TheVeganVicar what is ed's definition?
They don't know how many people did go vegan because of Earthling Ed.
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I became vegan earlier, not knowing Ed yet, but since I have seen his content I have learned so much more. He's pretty kind and good.
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8:59 "my busy schedule" 😂
Dude just sat down to argue with a vegan for half an hour...
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and he admitted there are convenient vegan options lol
@aaronmerkel5216 and he admitted he would rather have the animal option
So Lazy! They are everywhere else except for the present moment.
This is why they should live with vegans. I mean, it is kind of annoying. Where are the people? Anyway I don't know.
Hi! I'm a vegan from South Africa (developing world). To the two guys being interviewed- there are people in my country who are not in a position to choose what they eat but please don't underestimate how many people are, and how many are currently making a change. Don't use us as an excuse to justify your choices.
oooh oohh aah aah 🙉
@@ericdore1905 clown
Well said.
@ericdore1905 ok racist.
@@ericdore1905really!? You’re going to racism
"it's moral because it happens" is one of the craziest takes I've heard so far 💀 why do people pretend they have the reasoning skills of a 4 year old when arguing against veganism?
The moral inconsistency of people in their argument is actually a reflection of our laws in a carnist society. Remember, it's illegal to do cruel acts against dogs and cats in people's houses but if they are pigs, cows and chickens on a farm for money, their wellbeing doesn't matter. Even if you take a cow out of a factory farm and on green pastures, they still have to go to a slaughter house if you want to eat her.
It definitely caught me off guard, I think he said it in a rush to find an argument. It wasn't something he thought about clearly.. but yeah I've never heard that one before and it's clearly a pretty awful argument.
I think he was confusing morality with social consent to something
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Hoodie has 3 brain cells and they're all competing for a chance to say something lmao. What an utter moron.
@@rubensoeteman ah this makes it a little less weird, probably he thought in the sense of being socially acceptable
Though somewhat aggravating, it's interesting watching someone experiencing cognitive dissonance go in logical circles making the same fallacious arguments over and over.
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Yes...Ed is aggravating to watch...he says the same crap over and over and over and over and over and over
@ Trolloftruth Yet you are still here following his videos and in the comment section…
@paulb8251 enjoy watching vegans fail
@Trolloftruth you have 100+ comments on this channel. He can't be that aggravating to you if you keep coming back over and over and over 🤔
Are you the kind of person who wants to end violence or perpetuate it. Your actions showcase who you are as a person.
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Are you the kind of person who is naive enough to believe there's some utopia in the future or have you ventured outside before?
@@AeroOnFire There will never be a perfect world, but making choices and trying to guide society down routes that cause the least amount of suffering and allowing for more peace isn't a unworthy venture just because perfection can't be reached. Just because I know that there will likely never be a world that murder doesn't happen, doesn't mean I shouldn't act to prevent it.
Dude when us your next video coming
yeh right, the violence perpetuated by the crop protection industry to protect your precious vegan slop so you can virtue signal your faux moral superiority in the comment section
"Why aren't YOU vegan" "because people in other countries can't be" ...wtf
When Ed left them speechless in his reply to that, it was 👌👌👌
you think healthy soil is everywhere?
@@andreimaxwell4455 What does that have to do with anything? The question is why aren't YOU vegan, not why the Bedouin aren't.
You get your food from a supermarket. You have the choice.
Further, healthy soil is rapidly declining thanks to industrial agriculture, which is largely for animal agriculture.
Ending industrial animal agriculture will be a boon for soil health. And our rapidly dwindling aquifers in the US but that's 'merely' another issue that would be resolved from ending animal agriculture (in addition to vastly reducing antibiotic use / risk of superbugs, helping out indigenous peoples whose lands are threatened by animal agriculture such as in Brazil etc etc).
@@hiking1388 I'm not a vegan because I like being healthy
@@andreimaxwell4455 So nothing to do with soil quality? Why even bring it up?
"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases."
So, anyone can be vegan and healthy. Just as you're wrong about soil quality, you're wrong about how it's unhealthy to be vegan.
Just remember: if you want to do your part to erode soil health, and edge indigenous peoples out of their land - and encourage ranchers to outright murder them - support animal agriculture.
He is against hunting but is pro factory farming. Will say any nonsense to try and justify himself because he went into this debate with his mind made up
Explain how@@omnivacuous162
Ending animal agriculture in favor of a plant-based food system would be a lot more sustainable than factory farmed animal agriculture. Better for the environment, better for biodiversity, would feed more people, and waste a lot fewer natural resources.
Hunting is bad but on an ethical scale it's infinitely better than farming animals
@@omnivacuous162factory farming is 100% more sustainable than hunting. But that's not very relevant in a discussion about ethics, sustainability is a different conversation. It would be very sustainable to Thanos snap half of the world population, but it would not be ethical.
Be open to this. I was told to my face I was a hypocrite for exactly this reason, by a vegan friend. It’s from there that I changed. A lot of people do wake up to that precise kind of hypocrisy, he might too
I'm glad I'm sober, if I did a drinking game now where I drank for every logical fallacy I heard from a non-vegan I'd be fertilizer at this point.
😂, cheers, you earned yourself a drink💚
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@@VeganSemihCyprus33dis, dat, andy udder ting?
Why don’t you mention one?
Here's one. I have no moral obligation to something or someone that cannot equally reciprocate. Can't wait for all the strawmen arguments about mentally handicapped individuals to try and poke holes in this.
Guy on the left was smug, arrogant and dare I say it... stupid.
And/or ignorant, when choosing to not educate oneself is ignorant?
To call someone stupid because they don't agree with your viewpoint is I dare say...stupid.
@@stevenmeyer9674 You must think rapist and paedophiles aren't stupid. Odd outlook you have.
@@_Bush_Bush_sadly people that eat flesh support those type of people because they aren’t a non human and deserves rights. I had two flesh eaters say they are heals at a higher standard than a chicken. It’s sad. Humans are too far gone.
Nah. They were both relatively polite and engaged in the convo. You can't expect them to have the best arguments because it's clearly not something they have given much thought. Of course they're gonna be a little defensive on the topic - it's an emotive issue. The average knuckle dragger on the street faced with this question would be like "bro bro f*** that, brooo"
They threw every arguement in the book at Ed and he responded so respectfully
Ed normally seems to effortlessly keep his cool…in this video, it sounded like Ed really had to make an effort to not scream at these guys 😂
There were even so many new arguments there that I've never heard before. 'it happens, so it's ethical' huh? 😂
@@allandm that's just the difference between a practiced activist and someone on the street.
You gotta admire Eds patients with all the potential vegans he debates,especially when it comes down to well I can't change the world so why bother.Sadly people who don't wanna be vegan will never be vegan.Ed and if you watch him regularly you've heard it all,every arguement,every get me out of here,every well I'm not responsible cause my god says, it gets to the point where it's infuriating.People know it's a horrendous industry and Ed can educate but it's down to the individual to tune in their conscience to their actions,but sadly a lot of people just don't care enough to do that.This is a topic that should be part of the education system as kids always react against animal cruelty but by the time their adults they're sadly lost.
One thing about Ed is he thinks he's superior
I've never understood the argument of 'one person will never make a difference'. One person can make a huge difference, all change starts with an individual.
Many individuals form a huge crowd that can change a lot!
One person can't make a huge difference. Any change that person can create depends on the action of many other individuals.
@@MustardSkaven Yes, but every individual needs to decide to take action for themselves - alone. You can't wait for others to start. YOU need to be the change. And if many people think and act like that, they are many in the end and have the power to change a lot.
@@janajacoby3391 As long as OP now understands the argument, it's all good.
Totally. Especially if you think about the difference of eating meat every day vs not. That's literally hundreds of animals per year whose death you didn't contribute to. I'd say that's a difference.
20:47 THIS !! After being vegan for almost 4 years now, each day I find more and more people who are vegan, I see more and more vegan options around me, and that's in part due to the choices I have made individually. The saddest part is that you feel like you aren't doing anything at all, which is what makes it hard to stick to but hindsight shows is working.
Yes! Also me being vegan without activly trying to get other people to become vegan still changed their amount of meat and overall animal product consumption (Milk).
you're all doing great stay true ❤ not everyone has it in them to do activism. just support those who can and each time you buy something ethical / vegan it DOES contribute.
Individual choices make a big difference when you add them all up! I've been vegan for about 8 years now and I think of it in this way - if each week I ate a chicken, a pack of 8 sausages, a pack of 500g mince and a box of 6 eggs, multiply that by 52 for one year, then multiply that by 8 for the amount of years I have been vegan. I would have personally have consumed 416 chickens, 3328 sausages, 208kg of beef and 2784 eggs. I have chosen to not eat those animals and I have chosen to not contribute to the suffering with those animals, regardless of what anyone else is choosing to eat. Thank you for sticking with it!
"Why should i care about a chicken" The fact that this kid has to ask that question out loud tells you how little he thinks of animals. What kind of person kills animals when they don't to?
Sometime I don't get why they even go to university if they think that an individual can't change anything in the world
Crazy good take
Because they study their field of work. Cope no one cares about vegans you are nothing
they're not interested in changing the world, they wanna make money :')
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And ? Lol
My vegan Bingo card got filled up quickly on this one.
The guy on the left saying he lives in Dubai explained everything. Incredible how you keep your patience and cool.
Whenever someone asks “what difference can one person make?” I say “A lot.” I ask them to think about how much money they spend on food in one year. How many thousands of dollars they are giving to companies that torture and exploit animals. That money can go to vegan businesses and strengthen their position. The actions of one person does make a difference.
Every person kills 100 animals in one year on average.
8000 during all life.
@@Dylitube if you like things that are regenerative then because vegan alternatives are regenerative
@@DylitubeBecause regenerative farming is not anywhere near as effective as its proponents suggest. What would be significantly more effective, would be the reduction of overall agricultural land use and the rewilding of that agricultural land. Wild spaces, particularly forests, are significantly larger carbon sinks than some grass with some cows on it
@@Dylitube 75% of arable land is used for animal agriculture including the growing of crops to feed them with.
Therefore, if we were all vegan for the climate crisis, we could feed the world and have land left over to rewild and reforest (Oxford University 2021). 😏
Regenerative grazing only stores carbon in the soil until that area of soil becomes saturated with carbon. After that all the greenhouse gases go into the atmosphere from that point on.
i cant be vegan cuz of a tribe of people living in the forest. >_>.
...who will soon be murdered by ranchers for their land so that they can feed the carnists beef and/or grow animal feed.
Or who are systematically losing forest to hunt in, again for animal agriculture.
ugh people >:(
@@hiking1388 Unfortunately an inevitable consequence of living in an economic system based on exploitation… but the fact that people are now increasingly aware of these facts gives me hope for change. 💚🌱
Oh the amount of indigenous people from my country who were murdered by people/companies trying to steal their land to raise cattle 😢 not only in the amazon rainforest but also at the pantanal wetlands, which is increasingly becoming more desert-like. My country is being destroyed for meat, that was the first reason why I became vegan
can't stand the guy on the left
I wouldn't expect better behavior from a closed minded and spoiled rich daddy's boy from Dubai.
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@@arioca wow. not judgemental at all.
@@VeganSemihCyprus33dis, dat, andy udder ting?
Its not pointless ed turned countless people vegan saving soooo many animals
@@Dylitube yes. are you ok?
Well it's not pointless it's criminal actually, when the system brainwashes you to believe that you should eat grass and make everyone else do the same and ignore your own natural senses.
How were these animals saved? Did they buy animals to put them in shelters?
@@MustardSkavensupply and demand. the less people eat meat, the less animals that will be bred and killed for meat. it’s also just consciously knowing you at least didnt contribute to it.
@@MustardSkaven No they decreased the demand and therefore the supply, jeez.
I noticed their arguments always came back to fear of “big changes” so it might be helpful to mention the “big changes” is usually just picking the option on the left instead of the right on the menu lol
That's ultimately what dissuades people from doing the right thing: group think. They're afraid of changing, of being too different to be accepted, even if it means that not changing will continue to lead to the exploitation and killing of others. We have to make it acceptable to change for the better.
quite literally i was invited to a munch at bufflo wild wings and a family dinner at a black bear inn. i got potato wedges and a salad at bdubs, and hashbrowns and some lemonade at black bear. not that hard, even at places specifically catering to meat eaters almost exclusively. it's still processed food at eat out restaurants, and even with unfamiliar people when it came to the munch. it's often not actually big changes that tends to actually affect people's actions, but the social consequences of said actions, and people's ideas about the "big changes" in their lives if they were to identify as a certain person. they know the looking down on vegans they do, and they definitely don't want to be looked down on. but as a certain cartoon character has said" your boo's mean nothing, because i know what you cheer for.
925 million humans (1 in 9) suffer from hunger, yet 80 billion unnaturally bred animals on farms are given enough human edible food that could support 4 billion humans directly. -University of Minnesota DOI 10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015
Saving this statistic. Thanks!
The ability to produce food is not the problem, it's economics. If everyone put the money they spend on internet to feeding other ppl everyone would be fed.
Me when I figure out people don't buy the cheapest food per calorie possible.
@@he.5865 is it humane to suggest feeding the poor cattle feed? I'd call it racist.
Can you tell me the source, please?
When it comes to diet, one person can have a huuuuge impact! When I became vegan, one of the most surprising things to me was how many people around me were paying attention to what I was doing. Your actions and choices send a message to everyone around you.
"why should I stop doing something I think is wrong if someone else might not think it's wrong"
soooooo many people do not realize they are essentially saying that if they were placed inside a cult like Scientology, they effectively would be unable to get out of said cult. and i say this as a cult survivor.
Hey I'm from Asia. Stop using us as an excuse to continue to harm animals. The question is why aren't you vegan not why aren't the poor from an underdeveloped nation vegan. Also, if you care so much about the poor, then you shouldn't be eating meat. Food sources are diverted for livestock rather than for direct human consumption.
Beautiful Comment!
Don't deflect. Just because you don't have a valid counterargument doesn't mean you have to make it personal.
@@RoidRage-yc7yg who is deflecting? Ed's question is "Why aren't YOU vegan yet?" If you want counter arguments, he's written an entire book.
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@@arkashyap he s directed at them not at you
You know what frustrates me.
In sooooo many discussions like this, it very quickly moves away from the most vital and important point that exploiting , abusing and killing other sentient beings is wrong, and moves on to politics, capitalism, anything to dodge and avoid sticking with what sentientism and veganism is about.
They didn't like the harsh truth that they just don't care enough about animal cruelty and animal killing to change their diets.
Exactly!!
"exploiting , abusing and killing other sentient beings is wrong"
Because that is an opinion or personal view. You can debate about it and maybe change someone's view but it's not a logical argument.
If someone disagrees then it ends there and there is no way to convince them to go vegan.
@@MustardSkaven There is no point having a mind if you never change it. I think it is an incredibly logical argument. There is exploitation, animal abuse, and the killing of sentient animals all over the planet, largely in industrial meat production factories.
@@jamesharrison1991 Yeah and grass grows. Making claims does nothing if the other person doesn't care about it like you do.
"Plants, fungi and bacteria are alive! It's wrong to kill something that is alive and then eat !t"
Doesn't matter how many times someone tells you that, does it? You're not suddenly going to go "OMG that's horrible! We should stop it!" are you?
Same thing. So it's baffling you consider it a good argument.
How did they get into university, if they don't even understand the basics of the discussion? Do they even have a grasp of what an ethical decision is? This is so frustrating to watch. I admire your patience, Ed!
Discussions on Veganism isnt really a peak criteria for the supposed induction. They might be much more eloquent or computer wiz in things
@@alexhardy4559 That's not what I was trying to express, it was the lack of grasping the subject - could have been any other topic. It's like if you have to write an assignment on a specific given topic and end up writing one on a different topic, or it least that is what it feels like watching this...
@@valdkynd fair enough but imo that simply tells how irrelevant or indifferent a topic is to someone. I'm an electronics major, so mechanics is irrelevant to me and that is probably the reason I'll deviate like the college kids did. Another fact they just wanted to win an argument without actual research so well they got their moment
@@alexhardy4559 That's of course possible. I just hope they started thinking about it once they were at home by themself reflecting on the experience.
I wish we will live in a vegan world someday. Thank you Ed for what you do :)
I truly believe a vegan world will be best for humanity, and not just non-human animals. Because it will be a world rooted in empathy, and also some humility. And the more a society has those two things, the better they are for those who live there.
YES! Only a vegan world can even start to address the human violence in this world.
Meat eating is like a thick smoke making everyone blind.
It's disappointing to see young people, specially students who're supposed to be more open minded, ideologic and aspiring to do better and change the World in a positive manner with such closed-minded, egocentric, powerless and defeatist attitude.
@@Dylitube Raising animals for food and leather requires huge amounts of feed, pastureland, water, and fossil fuels. Animals on factory farms produce 130 times as much excrement as the entire human population, without the benefit of waste treatment plants. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has even acknowledged that livestock pollution is the greatest threat to our waterways.
Although some leather makers deceptively tout their products as “eco-friendly,” turning skin into leather also requires massive amounts of energy and dangerous chemicals, including mineral salts, formaldehyde, coal-tar derivatives, and various oils, dyes, and finishes, some of them cyanide-based. Most leather produced in the U.S. is chrome-tanned, and all wastes containing chromium are considered hazardous by the EPA.
Tannery waste contains large amounts of pollutants, such as salt, lime sludge, sulfides, and acids. The process of tanning stabilizes the collagen or protein fibers in skins so that they stop biodegrading-otherwise, the leather would rot right in your closet.
People who work in and live near tanneries suffer, too. Many die of cancer possibly caused by exposure to toxic chemicals used to process and dye the leather. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that the incidence of leukemia among residents in an area near one tannery in Kentucky was five times the U.S. average.
Arsenic, a common tannery chemical, has long been associated with lung cancer in workers who are exposed to it on a regular basis. Studies of leather-tannery workers in Sweden and Italy found cancer risks “between 20% and 50% above [those] expected.”
In addition, raising the animals whose skin eventually becomes leather requires vast quantities of water and wide tracts of pastureland, which must be cleared of trees. In fact, in the last half century, 70 percent of the Amazon rainforest has been cleared to make way for pastures or for growing feed crops. This mass deforestation causes habitat loss for millions of species, eliminates the Earth’s tree canopy, and drives climate change. Animal agriculture and its methane- and nitrous oxide-rich products, including leather, are leading contributors to climate change.
Runoff from feedlots and dairy farms also creates a major source of water pollution. Leather has one of the greatest impacts on eutrophication of all materials used for fashion, a serious ecological problem in which runoff waste creates an overgrowth of plant life in water systems, which suffocates animals by depleting oxygen levels in the water and is the leading cause of hypoxic zones, also known as “dead zones.” The EPA has confirmed that factory farms account for 70 percent of the water pollution in the U.S. By some estimates, animal agriculture is responsible for more greenhouse gases than all of the world’s transportation systems combined.
Huge amounts of fossil fuels are consumed in livestock production as well, and cow-derived leather has almost three times the negative environmental impact as its synthetic counterparts, including polyurethane (PU) leather.
The production of leather hurts animals, the environment, and the workers who manufacture it. The only ones who benefit are people who profit from the misery and suffering of others. Thankfully, there are plenty of sustainable vegan leather options to choose from today that mimic the properties of leather without the cruelty to animals or environmental devastation.
And there is lab grown leather that does'nt involve the exploitation and use of animals in any way at all. Maybe do your research instead of trolling vegan channels with your uneducated nonsense.
@@Dylitube More collateral deaths of wildlife are caused by growing and harvesting crops to feed 90 billion farm animals every day.🤷
@@Dylitube No bugs on my windscreen as pesticides have killed so many of them. 🤷
@@Dylitube Is this a serious question? You need only look at the 1st law of thermodynamics to understand why your "solution" kills thousands more insects than a full plant based diet lmao
@@Dylitube Growing and harvesting crops to feed over 90 billion farm animals every day kills far more wildlife than crops grown for 8 billion people. 😏
They'll do some biased websearches, find degrass tyson talking about plants feeling pain and feel utterly justified
you can fight even such idiotic arguments by pointing out that a cow eats a lot more plants than I do, so if we eliminate the need of the cow by not growing them for food, we would even reduce the oh so awful plant suffering!
Painful , just painful , the way people constantly go off topic and try to justify the NEEDLESS killing is so cringe 🤦🏻
"Why are you studying? You might not get a career". That was brutal 25:28
B12: I'm a long time vegan. I started taking a B12 supplement and my subsequent blood test indicated my level was too high. The added B12 in the plant milk I put in my tea was enough without the supp.
ahh bro you're so cool because you don't consider the feelings of others you're soooo cool bro
tHeY aRe BrEaD fOr ChIcKeN wInGs 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
So you always Been vegan? Or just develop the superior complex when you switched
Ed's calm and professionalism is truly remarkable. This goes to show, you can give all the arguments in the world to a meat-eater, it seems to boil down to one thing: the courage to change.
Almost every conversation has at some point the meat eaters talking about plants, lions, "everybody" or like in this conversation cars.
Ed, you're a master at getting people back to the topic at hand and holding them accountable.
Brilliant as always 💡
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Proposition: Why aren’t YOU vegan?
Them: What about poor people in other countries?
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@@VeganSemihCyprus33dis, dat, andy udder ting?
Many such cases
That is a great argument to use because vegans have no counterargument and simply deflect.
Every single time, right ?!
The thing that seperates Ed is that he is compassionate, when talking to non-vegans. He is there to educate, not to win the argument.
@TapTapTaap this ain't a third world country my guy. Stick to reality. If you can't care about animals then atleast care about your fellow humans and closed ones, who are/will be directly affected by climate change. No need to view veganism as a philosophy, just look at it as a logical, mathematical choice. That's it. Stick to reality and do what the right thing is, before it's too late.
I love the shoes from RICE, they are super sustainable and really comfortable🥰
It's really so easy now to get great vegan shoes, it truly is effortless to be vegan. I can only hope people stop choosing to hurt animals one day :(
Goodness me, I can't believe that guy busted out the "what do we do with all the animals?" tripe at the end after claiming that he understands economics.
This bro acts like you need to get a PhD in veganism before you can eat plant-based. wtf? lol
A PhD and 72 hour days
It’s like watching religious debates… I keep hoping to hear a good argument against reason but it just never comes
You made them think, for the guy on the left about three issues for the first time. All you can really do. Most vegans were once naive and arrogant about our habits. There's a lot of hope here.
"Yeah, the chicken in front of me right now... but... ...but the Tesla cars in India!" - well, that escalated quickly ! :)
Ed is being more active on TH-cam and I’m all for it
babe wake up new earthling ed video dropped
Not only a new video, a new DISCUSSION video
Let babe sleep. The video will still be there. Sleep eludes us sometimes. We're a sleep deprived species.
Very sweet💚
@@I_suck-_-so_whatwake babe up, she's lazy and needs to get a job
Your comment is as tired and hackneyed as the « I’m a simple man…» comment.
Ed, you have more patience than anyone on the planet!
Their attitude is “I don’t wanna stop doing a bad thing until I’m forced to” and that’s really sad.
Animal agriculture uses 83% of farmland and only provides 18% of calories. When we switch to a plant based food system, we can restore/reforest 76% of farmland AND be able to feed everyone. -J. Poore, Oxford, journal Science
Farmland includes land that isn't arable and just has grass on it. You forgot to mention that.
@@MustardSkaven The meat and milk from animals that rely solely on grazing provide just 1% of the world’s protein. Food Climate Research Network
If everyone switched from grain-fed to pasture-fed beef, because they grow more slowly on grass, the number of cattle would have to rise by 30% and the land area used to feed them would rise by 270%. - Environmental Research Let.
Even if we felled all our forests, drained our wetlands, watered our deserts and annulled our national parks, we would need 2 more Earth's to meet current demand.
Wow, Ed got to the point where he was arguing for any basic morals at all and trying to teach these kids how to care about anything in life (other than their own wants and needs). Exhausting work.
The guy in the dark blue hoodie has a smirk on his face constantly, he didn't give a crap from beginning to end, but light grey shirt person actually wanted information. If light grey went vegan, the darker shirt would defs try to stop lighter shirt, or keep convincing them to be like him. Lighter grey shirt looks like he would go vegan if he didn't have dark blue hoodie holding him back from growth.
The blue hoodie shirt person was using whataboutism & fallacies like crazy, & can't win the moral/ethical argument so they argue EVERYTHING else. Grey shirt recognizes, & is almost there. I wish Ed brought up vegetarianism is far worse & I'd argue go vegan & why vegetariansim is worse & why.
Dark blue hoodie also keeps trying to take more space, physically overtaking light grey shirt. It feels like dark hoodie is trying to keep a barrier between Ed & light grey, dark shirt. It's as if they are afraid of losing, losing his friend, getting defensive more, no reason for the physical actions except aggitation, fear, whatever he was feeling building up & when he had no more agruments & still lost, he was so raring to get going.
💚🌱💚Vegan for Them💚🌱💚
🚫No Excuse for Abuse🚫
Good insight. I really wish people took the time to actually reflect on what they are espousing and what they are hearing instead of just spewing the same old fallacies over and over. I agree that a lot of this does have to do with the fact that some people just do not really care and/or are coming from a place of bad faith
He should first start out by showing them videos of slaughter houses Until people see the reality they just can’t comprehend the horrors
I agree. It's a very abstract, hazy, non-specific idea of what happens in slaughterhouses. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
Yeah, was thinking about that too
Seen it don't care it's food
@@rondarkman.i agree, meat is healthy and good, it also tastes amazing, maybe we should make sharks go on a plant based diet to save the fish
Exactly! Sharks cannot eat plants. I was vegan but your argument has convinced me to switch.
"People can avoid smoking, but they still smoke, therefore eating meat is good." The case for veganism is watertight, but we need to get of our arses and disabuse people. The guy on the left concedes early on, if only tacitly, that it'd be best to be vegan (but his position is that he isn't vegan because his proverbial vote doesn't matter). Thank you, Ed.
I always think about all of the horribly sad footage of animals dying when someone is trying to justify eating meat. I really think people need to witness that to understand what we vegans mean. They are so removed from the actual murder that happens and it makes them look so insensitive without them realizing it.
you can't convince people like this because taste>animal harm. they just don't give a fuck.
Yup I do not care animals are food its all good
@@rondarkman. i disagree obviously but this is the rationale for about 95% of everyone
@@rondarkman. YOU are an animal. See the problem there?
@kwimms
No why ? What problem?
@@rondarkman. People cannibalise.. animals too.
I was once a die-hard meat eater and a proud hunter. I still remember that first hunting trip as if it just happened. We were out there in the forest, silent, waiting. Then, an innocent deer appeared, and in one shot, everything changed. That "prey" they called it-our target-was hit straight through the spine. The deer collapsed, and its legs stopped working. But it was still alive, and in agony, it cried out, struggling. The adults looked down at us, handing over the knife with an unspoken command: *finish it*. They said it would be mercy. I remember my hands shaking as I looked into its eyes, the life still pulsing behind them. None of us kids could do it.
Later, when my father reassured me that it was okay, because, after all, God had given us animals to use, it felt... less wrong. He said, "God made animals for us to kill for food" Those words wrapped everything up neatly; if the divine authority permitted it, it must be right, right? After all, God is wise; he wouldn't just ask us to kill sentient beings. So, I went on, comforted by the idea that animals were, in a way, just NPCs in this big world of ours-there for us to use.
Then, as I grew older, I found myself immersed in something else-technology. Nerdy as it sounds, getting into hardware and software engineering changed everything. I started learning how systems work, how input devices receive information and send it to processors. Ears, eyes, and skin... just like humans, animals have them, too. And I started wondering if maybe they aren’t just *things*. Maybe they’re lives that process the world in ways we don’t fully understand, but they certainly *experience* it.
And, piece by piece, the comfort of those old beliefs fell apart. I realized that the screams of that deer and the terror in its eyes weren’t just reflexes; they were reactions to suffering, fear, and a life cut short. The prophets may have said animals were ours to kill, but once I saw them as fellow beings, that no longer felt like truth. It felt like a lie.
Now, I choose compassion over cruel forms of entertainment and flavor. I choose to live in a way that minimizes harm, to respect life rather than take it. Going vegan isn’t about perfection-it’s about seeing the world, finally, without our ancestors' blinders. I see now that there’s no "prey," no “divine right” to take life, only a responsibility to protect it.
Please keep posting these debating videos. We can see the fallacies of non vegan arguments so much easier. I went vegan because of these type of videos
Not really a true debate, more of a advocacy.
Ed is fully informed, practiced.
These guys are talking off the cuff.
Think for yourself. Farming is inherently moral. Would you rather be reincarnated as livestock or a plant? Livestock for sure would rather be alive than not.
@@he.5865
Try using the same logic applied to (human) slaves..
"They were BRED for this, so it's moral! -Just ASK them if they'd rather be DEAD!"
Very disingenuous.
Like "hey, I just cut off their HAND, and I COULD have cut-off their whole ARM! That therefore makes my actions MORAL, even KIND, when ya simply THINK about it in the proper way!"
-The last thing on earth oppressors ever want to do, is TRULY 'allow a vote to', those they're oppressing; to truly put themselves in the other's place;
-instead, it's always some selfserving, blindered argument, its conclusion completely predetermined, its 'research', if any, ludicrously shallow.
20:19 "who gives a fuck about my opinion" yourself??? ah to be a passive young man fulfiling the life the market tells you to live
I recently discovered your channel. And im really glad of the amount of activism you do as a vegan. I've been vegetarian (currently in transition to vegan) for almost 3 years and every day I believe I've made the right decision.
Appreciate the two young lads trying to understand your perspective, felt like they were trying to learn the truth...
Hope they learn & make a change for the betterment of everyone
Did we watch the same video? Because the guy in the dark hoodie definitely didn’t try to learn anything. He was just trying to outsmart Ed.
@@adriana_cer Hehe, Yes we watched the same one...
But each one of his statements were answered by Ed, which will cause him to question his past beliefs which helped him justify his actions.
I'm not saying he'll go vegan right after the conversation with Ed, but a seed has been planted...
Hope it grows 🤍🌱
God the guy on the left obviously grew up entitled. People like these guys are why Idiocracy is starting to come true.
How does eating or not eating chickens effect his studies?
The brian runs on chickens
Studies show that 84% quit veganism.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 not true
@@SlipperyManBean It's true. Can you dig it?
How is he supposed to study if he's hungry?
America's youth -- God help us. Self-serving, bereft of moral balance... very depressing. Thanks Ed for continuing to fight the fight.
Whatever uni the dark blue hoodie guy got into must have a really really low threshold to get in.
money talks
For every 1000 calories fed to a cow we only get 4 calories back.
Groovy fact
Thats actually not exactly true. I think it was 17/1
For every £78 I pay my local supplier, I get back only 1kg of fillet steak..
Pointless comment. It's all over for the vegan cult.
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 you mean the Bad cult against unneccecary violence Explotation and Killing. Or do you mean the cult for unneccecary violence Killing and Explotation?
Heard the same thing from my dad. I am still vegan nine years later.
Heard the same thing from my dad...I'm still omnivore 9 yrs later
Guy on the left thought he’d come on this for a joke but is realising he’s (pardon the pun) getting cooked. This is why he keeps looking out to the crowd, because he’s embarrassed and dying inside
I always wonder how Ed stays so polite and calm. Regularly talking in circles like this with people would drive me insane.
Love what you do Ed!
I can't imagine thinking like them. Way to go, Ed. As always he stays kind and patient.
They need to watch earthlings and the other docos and see if that becomes the catalyst for change based on ones capacity to have mercy and compassion of the voiceless and innocent beings, keep going Ed, you are so well spoken and make so much sense 🙏🪷
That guy on the left might possibly be the dumbest person I’ve seen argue with Ed. And that’s honestly saying a lot.
To me it seemed like he was somehow partly arguing against having to become a vegan activist.
No, there was the girl who said halal slaughter is more humane and kept bringing African tribes into the conversation. She was a bit dumber.
And vegans are superior lol no wonder why vegan clowns are despised more than cyclists
@@adriana_cerYou and op bit harsh on those yet to make a connection. If u told me at 20 to see why vegans r vegans I woulda said
What would I eat?
But bacon is so nice.
Vegetables without steak!
Meat is so tasty....
Would I call myself dumb? No but maybe naive. You could present all ed's debate points and I would shrug.
Fast-forward to today and I think he is brilliant.
@@drestarman I would definitely call myself dumb for laughing at veganism before going vegan 🤷🏼♀️ I know I was a hypocrite and made some really dumb comments
This is an amazing discussion, Ed. The way they tried to sidetrack is unbelievable, but the way you keep the conversation on an even keel and peel back the layers of their reasoning is impressive. All the best from Poland!
I wrote a song about slaughter called Only For Slaughter. Animal rights activists/vegans might be able to use it to plant seeds in peoples head to help them think about their choices. Ed, you're doing important work and so much good for the world. Much love.
I was skeptical, but I'm glad I checked it out! Very beautiful song.
Where can we hear your song?
@piaogilvie8463 I clicked on their profile pic and went to their profile and then found the song under their videos.
@@JoshuaMakar
Thank you, Joshua!
It's awsome to eat veal to cheers❤❤😂
Peace is the ultimate goal ❤Animals want to be left alone and not exploited and murdered!! Good Lord ❤
You have so much patience!
My man Ed Winters!!! Always look forward to these videos. Admire the way you debate every time!
Why do people always try to culturally appropriate other people for their own actions? They start getting saying "oh the developing world" or " this tribe"... He's talking about you in the first world, not anyone else. YOU!!!
Your debate videos are my favorite!! Not only are they educational but helpful on how to converse with different mindsets
Neither of them have any empathy for animals. Selfish to the core. Me me me.
His patience never seize to amaze me...
"I get the feeling I am not going to convince you NOW"!!!
Wow!!
I would have given up in the first minute since they seem that they just don't want to stop (one of them at least)...
And it would have been a mistake...
I have HUGE respect for him! One of the strongest people on earth
In conversations like this it is so often difficult to get people to concentrate on their ownership actions.
Wait til the guy in the middle hears how many vitamins, antibiotics, hormones, farm animales get… and he’s afraid of taking B12 lol
Good point, Lucas..
And if these same nonvegans would consent to WATCH even (some) vegan documentaries, or read at least SOME vegan literature, they'd quickly SEE (among other things) -how heavily, constantly the 'livestock' they consume are 'supplemented'.
So many deliberately choose NOT to know.. Then mutter, 'I didn't know!'
-Along with (shudder), 'take a pill or capsule? -NO WAAAAYYY!'
Lol; if WILLFUL- ignorance were a capital-crime, the Earth would have far fewer of us humans on it..
'What you don't know, can even kill you.'
A stronger argument would be to use a voting analogy. For example, imagine you're a Trump supporter, and you know Biden is almost certainly going to win. Would you still cast your vote for Trump? Most likely, yes, because even if it doesn't change the outcome, you want to stand by what you believe is right. Similarly, choosing to go vegan isn't just about immediate change-it's about aligning your actions with your values, regardless of the larger outcome.
your local municipality (any govt body) isn't handling waste collection properly. and it has come to a situation where people are dumping their garbage in certain public places causing a lot of issues. the sight of these sites piled with garbage bags has become common. would you join others and dispose the garbage from your house too there even when there are alternative better options available and just because just me not choosing to not do it wont change the issue? you know very well how much problem its causing to everyone. so what do you think would you do in such a situation.
might be a good point to ask.
Unfortunately that happens even in voting. Like alot of people say they prefer RFK Jr. over the other candidates, he still gets less support because most ppl don’t believe he has a chance of winning
Meat eaters for Kamala!
@@Theedeadman If people choose not to support candidates they believe in because they think they won't win, it undermines the very principles of standing by what you think is right. If everyone thought this way, we wouldn't see any progress or representation for alternative views. Believing in something and taking a stand for it is important, regardless of the immediate outcome.
@@hetanthakkar5066Why is voting for a losing candidate important? What is gained by doing so? I think there's more nuance to it than simply saying you must vote for the candidate that best represents your ideas and values. Let's say RFK best represents me by a landslide compared to Trump and Kamala. If I know he isn't going to win and I suspect one candidate will ruin our economy, would it be wise to vote for the losing candidate or the one candidate who has a chance of winning and who won't ruin our economy?
Brilliant outreach as always, good to see you back at the table 💯👍👍
Their whole argument was basically "the entire world might not go fully vegan, therefore I don't care about my own moral standpoint"
For over 20years now me and my husband have been vegan according to God’s will for our health. After the first year I began to notice the color of my husband’s complexion change for the better. Which meant his blood circulation was improving! It has been a big blessing for us both! Glory Hallelujah ❤
There’s a demand for fentanyl too 🤦♂️
Apathy, also referred to as indifference, is a lack of feeling, emotion, interest, or concern about something….
Unfortunately these guys couldn’t give a shit about anything, let alone the life of a sentient creature…..
Next !!
Keep up the good work Ed !!
You do make a difference!
Thank you 👍😊
Patience of a saint. Thanks for this, Ed. You inspire me to be more patient. 😇🫡
Sometimes things gets overwhelming, how could not understand but you get me going man!
Thank you!
Thank you!!
I live in Dubai is all I needed to hear
It was a lot of effort for me when I was first vegan figuring out new plans for eating, but it’s normal for me now
Jeez they have no clue how easy it is to eat a plant based diet!!!
but its not. you do have to invest time, you have to decline food, you have to tell family and freiend who might react badly ... is it that easy? idk
Its definitely not easy. I try to eat organic non sprayed and its really difficult to get my hands on quality organic produce even here in europe. And its expensive. Every producer should be focusing on organic growing. pesticides are killing people
It isn't easy at all. Your privilege is showing
If it was that easy to eat a plant based died why are u eating fake looking meat products whitch are filled with more awful stuff like fat sugar and its loads more expensive its bland & tasteless than a meat diet
@@Yorker1998what makes it so hard for you?
I just want to thank you, Ed, for your undying devotion to science, rationality and quality of life
I worked a Plant-Based Treaty table at the two universities here in Winnipeg and was pleasantly surprised at how many students were either vegan or vegetarian and aware of the devastating impacts of animal agriculture. But it appears there are still many myths floating around out there. Thanx for the convo, Ed!
@@Dylitube Funny how the plant rights activists only pipe up when their flesh eating is challenged. Hmm. Weird . . . but predictable.
@@Dylitubewhat do you think farmed animals eat, genius?
@@Dylitube The vast majority of chickens in the world are factory farmed. They don't have a choice of what to eat.🤷
Four years ago I went vegan thanks to you and Joey C Ed 😁🙏👋❤️❤️