How to use MELODYNE in a natural way?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2018
- Using Melodyne on this record from sP was a bit of a challenge for me. The track is super natural in it's sound and I did some special things to make sure that the vocal would not become like a robot...
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The secret to Melodyne is to never use the auto sliders or note snapping. Hold alt to nudge notes freely. And don't forget the pitch drift and modulation tools. All the mid note slicing you're doing is causing the robotic effect.
I have to say you are the first person to ever show me how to do melodyne without making it heavy handed and feel natural and as intended. THANK YOU!
Really looking forward to your working with a vocalist video!
Hey bro, recently discovered your channel and I really like it a lot. Keep on doing what you do, cause you are great at it!
Very nice job! I've been using Melodyne for a few years and after watching you, I'm changing my workflow!!! I hope that you can share more tips on using Melodyne in the near future.
This is a nice version of Daröde by Sanstrom.
I've had Melodyne for years and never used it - today I'm going to open it up and try to get into it! Tnx for another cool vid
i love melodyne because of how stealthy it can be. You can keep the feel in the performance and just tweak it to be super polished
great use of melodyne! basically what you are doing is using it as an instrument, giving a helping hand and keeping the nuances that make the difference between vocaloid and a singer performing.
great fan of you saying some parts feels better without it while treating others!
Yes please a Melodyne video. In particular I was interested to see why you chopped those vocal blobs then corrected them again. :) Love your channel!
It's amazing how close it was from the beginning with no work. good vocals.
The first tip was EXACTLY the help I was looking for. That rarely happens with tutorials.
Thank you. Please do a vocal video as you mentioned. Love what you do
Nice work! Quick tip for Melodyne editing: if you can't get a slide quite right using chromatic steps, turn off the pitch grid snap to nudge it just a few cents. It's good at guessing the pitch center of a single "note", but it has no awareness of style or voice leading so this sometimes comes in handy.
My opinion is that Melodyne makes lousy vocalists sound too much like they care. It's the one tool I resent because I know what good talent can do and using this seems unfair to them, but it's in every project with a singer these days.
This is exactly how i work on melodyne! Wow!
its so good, sonar daw and studio one daw have now included it ;)..i used to live in the netherlands and record at a studio in Haarlem, NL
Hi Wytse, another great video I love em all! What was that handy keyboard shortcut you used to correct the pitch? Or did you make on yourself? 😄
I would really like to see another video on Melodyne. That's one area that i lack skills in. I think this is a great tool for everyone to learn.
Great motivation to use Melodyne too like you did, but your hot keys and listenings ears are much more better with more experience than my, I wish more tutorial videos from you from basics and advanced , yes I know the homepage videos from melodyne too, thanks !
Great lesson, dank je wel ;)
Nice and clear explaination, and of course very entertaining to watch. :) (also, koffie in een glas?....)
I'd br interested in seeing you review REAPER's ReaTune plugin. I don't like to retune vocals myself, but from what little I've done with it, I'm impressed. It actually sounds more transparent to me than Melodyne. I can hear the artifacts from that in just about every pop song I've heard in the last 5 years at least. There's a tutorial that shows you how to get started with manual correcting in the first 2 minutes. It's pretty impressive, and free with REAPER. I stopped using Logic a while ago because REAPER is so much more efficient in so many ways. I've heard you mention that you use it in your video about using 192KHz sample rates (awesome explanation of why it works better, btw-I could never see the use for it before you video, but you made it make perfect sense!), but I've never seen you actually using it. I figure it's definitely worth comparing. I hope you're okay with me putting the link here so you can get a head start on how to use it if you demo it. It's really super simple, and its just a matter of knowing which tabs to use to do the manual correction. Anyway, I think it would be great to compare it, since the whole DAW costs less than what one or two of the plugins that come with it can do. They are pretty impressive. Also, you may not know this, but if you're using REAPER, and you've got one of those plugins with the interfaces that you hate because they look like manual gear, there is a UI button you can click at the top right of the plugin window that gets rid of the plugin's skin and just lets you see all the settings as faders. Very handy for those crazy looking plugins like Waves Butch Vig's Vocals plugins, or the Slate bundle you reviewed. I hope it's okay to put the link to the ReaTune tutorial here. If not, let me know and I'll remove it.
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Myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy goodness ur fast with meloydyne! i gotta learn those keyboard shortcuts or make some custom ones or something lol!
I’m using custom shortcuts without modifier keys, so the B is “blade” for instance.
White Sea Studio that's a good theme for a video..
See, I just learned what you said for myself after spending 2 days comping vocals. I was prioritizing pitch instead of tonality. After running them through Melodyne for another couple days I came to the realization that I should have picked the parts with better tone. But hey now I know
Nice song.... good tips
Now we can see how _not_ to use melodyne in a natural way. Literally, it's like buying guitar to play only on first two strings. You just don't use almost all possibilities of this piece of software so it wasnt unexpected to sound like robotic unnatural shit .
Melodyne has saved me soooooo many times. From singers who can't pitch (or learn a melody) to creating harmonies, double tracking , tuning sax players, violins, changing decay tails on timps, tuning bassists that forgot to tune before a session (not recorded by me) and guitarists (who can't bend properly)....Loads of uses.
Don't get me wrong though. I will make a singer sing in tune first and work hard. There is no substitute for good intonation, breathing technique and practise!!!!
The biggest thing that I've learned from using Melodyne is that I far prefer instrumental music!
Damn you're a beast
Hey man! Ik ben achter je kanaal gekomen door paul van rijnijssel, al veel van je geleerd! Evht tof!
Zou je ook is een video kunnen maken over wanneer je ervoor kiest om bijvoorbeeld je avantones te gebruiken, en wanneer je die andere monitors gebruikt. Ik zie dat ze op 2 verschillende plekken staan, gebruik je die avantones dan alleen als je je console gebruikt, of doe je hem alsnog A/B’en... en wellicht andere luistertips (naast natuurlijk op zoveel mogelijk systemen proberen te checken... en ofcource je monitors gewoon goed leren kennen)
Groetjes uit het mooie ernemm haha
For almost 4 years I sang in a choir under a very good conductor, and I can tell you that he've been tuning us for hours and hours until after performing a whole piece we stayed in the same exact pitch as we began (without accompaniment). If we ended 1/4 halftone too low or to high - we tried again. He sometimes repeated that to the point when no one could hear or consciously make a difference anymore but him. There's a balance to be hit here and of course solo contemporary singing is nothing like choir classical singing, but I think that the singers should work it more, instead of relying on the engineers tuning it in post
However - Nirvana's songs are very powerful, even if Kurt Cobain can't sing in pitch. Actually... I think they are so powerful because of that. If I could get stems I'd love to prove my point. If Kurt sang perfectly in pitch it would take away the desperate character from their music. I think that sloppy intonation is a very powerful music device too. But I prefer vocalists to do that on purpose or at least know it. Kurt knew he's not in pitch.
Singing pitch is an extremely useful device and can convey many emotions. Though I still think that vocalists should be the absolute masters of that craft, and have it in control. If a vocalist relies solely on pitch correction to deliver their performance - I feel cheated, because they can't sing. I don't feel cheated by Nirvana, because they were real, and for me that's better than perfection.
It is cheating compared to a talented singer who can actually sing on pitch.
it's not about ''rules'' it's about fooling the audience that you are a great singer. I wouldn't like tenors for ex. to use pitch correction, I want to hear their real voice!
@@HASHEAVEN well,Michael Jackson and Freddy Mercury were absolutely great
in singing and they used these art of tools too and now?
@@HASHEAVEN I just want to hear music that sounds good to me. Call me crazy
Ahhhh!!.. You have great advice here, but I would never grab a handful of blobs and apply 100% correction on the whole bunch. I am even LESS heavy handed than you are.... I either double-click on individual blobs, or use OPTION-DRAG to pull it into place. It's maybe a bit more work, but I think I'm just as fast with it, and I'm not quantizing the little bitty transitions. (only sometimes as needed). I'm all for very natural sounding vocals. Good illustration of what I call "divide & conquer" for unstable notes. Great video, to see how someone else does it!
6:53 I am sorry but I think it's very wrong to correct a tension note like that; that b7 was clearly meant to be there - it's a half note tension resolving up to the major third of the next chord (Fdom7 => CMaj). If it doesn't come through in your mix, fix the mix, not the note. Apart from that, Melodyne seems a little bit of a pain judging from all the clicking your doing. Quite glad with Cubase's Vario-Audio. I often don't go 100% to the pitch to be closer to the "tuned" chord as equal 12 step tuning is always slightly wrong.
Realraven2000 Totaly agree. And using automatic drift correction makes the robotic feel. Sorry, but this doesnt sound natural at all. I touch every note or sometimes use automatic pitch. But drift only if needed. Much better results
I guess the 'perfect' is sort of an 'arrogance, a human haughtiness'; perfectly-aligned drums, tempos, robotic music may fit right in a perfect-mechanical world. But we're humans, and some of us ( like you and many here) have good sense to use technology without chaining our hearts. Great video!
Nice video I agree some times imperfections make a performance. In time or not.
I understand your point and since you have to do all nessesary things to make your client please, I also undestand that there are industry standars to follow. But subjectice? No, I don't like tuned vocals and i like the imperfection. Me personally, I would sing it again until I'm pleased with the result.
But maybe, I'd thonk different, if I were more into recent pop music.
Totally agree!
Excellent! Yes, just another tool to be USED, not OVER-used. Time is money. Tools save both.
Great Video, one small thing, the part "it's just" at 6:59 not sure if the blue note half a step below was not the intention
merci beaucoup
Hello ! I want to have a natural sound but sometimes it is so robottic when I use melodyne. As I see you took your editting back when you heard robottic sound. Is there any possible way to make it natural ?
From listening though this will be more useful than a auto tune type program..
Although WAVES does a VST more like this in their tuning setup so might try out both next to each other as the WAVES one is cheaper...
Although looking at this it looks more specific than the WAVES version.
Great video mind, very helpful!!!!! Love it!
if you dont mind me asking what version of melodyne is that, for some reason mine dont sound the same
Oh, man! For sure the ReaTune plugin works way better, IMHO. You just tell it the key of the song, and it blacks out the notes that aren't in that key, then you just draw a line over or under the part of the note you want to correct, and, if you set the timing right and dray the correction lines so that the correction is more gentle, it doesn't have that robotic sound at all. It is WAY easier to use than what I'm seeing in this video. I think you'd really like it. It makes if very easy to leave in the character and human touch to the vocal while correcting things very transparently. PLEASE do a a review! I'm so curious to see what you think. It's so much simpler and sounds way better.
Just wondering... Would maybe using a corrected line mixed with the uncorrected line work together as a sort of back up? putting both through a bus with the reverb and compression to glue them as one voice.
When I produce I always mix takes together, it then becomes backups for tracks when played live... I'm of course speaking of none band type stuff, like HipHop and R&B
my question is pretty stupid actually as you'll just try it out and see what fits with what lol
You should do this again for Melodyne 5
Holy shit the YEAH Dubz reference.
Think he’s tuned a few vocals before 😂 that’s amazing!
Although the singing was really a bit out of tune, the note you pitched up in the chorus was more like a blue note (and probably intentional). So it was not a correction but you actually changed the melody...
Definitely changed the melody. Hopefully he didn't do that in the finished version.
My experience is that very few vocalists today are hitting blue notes intentionally. Usually it's accidental because they haven't internalized what they really mean to sing. Their transition notes are very sloppy. Changing these notes in mixing greatly depends on your relationship with the singer, and knowing if they are OK with you "co-producing" the vocal. I do it all the time, and the end result sounds better. The vocalist then hears the finished product a bunch of times, and re-learns the new way of singing it.....
Are you using it with ARA 2 already? Would like to see a comparison to Reapers Reatune. Thanks
Reaper 9.7 support now ARA. Maybe you should make a quick update video.
Wytse, I really enjoy your videos, never a dull moment! .... I am an expert Antares Auto-Tune graphical tuner. I would love to make a video response to this one to feature how Auto-tune compares to Melodyne for graphical tuning (non-auto mode). I have never used Melodyne but would be interested in the differences in artefacts. Is it possible that I could get this vocal track to tune and use in the video response? All credits and links would be included in the video description. Please let me know. Cheers, Jared
Ik keek net de ''Welk platform geeft het beste geluid'' video, en ik dacht.. Die jongen is nederlands en ja hoor! Hij heet Wietze! Echt een leuk kanaal heb je en je doet geweldig werk!
Eigenlijk heet ik Wytse... thanks!
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Melodyne is the most amazing pitch correction software I've ever used. It can turn a shitty vocal into a good vocal without making it sound unnatural.
BTW.... Why do you open that correction window and reset it to 100% every time? Just select your group and double-click. They will all snap to the line!
I've noticed that before I correct the pitch that the feeling is there and then after correction then it sounds as if I just sang it like I was bored out of my mind. It's in key though.
I agree 100% (as usual). I use melodyne for years now (since 2007) . It's not cheating, most of the times even recording experienced technical singers, the take with the most delivery and energy is not the take where every note was pitched perfectly. What to do when you have a perfect delivery and just a note a tad off pitch? Do it again? Singers are not machines they need to rest... back on another day to redo and pay more studio hours? Nop, I use melodyne and save the day.
To my ear (6:51) he was a bit flat on the word "us" (on the first "no one can break us") but it seems that one was allowed to pass.
Why do you cut the words into so much pieces when there is a phrase / drift correction in melodyne aswell ?
What can Melodyne do what Logic Pro X 's Flex Pitch cannot do? like your videos btw.
Lol @ YEAH Dubz! :D
At 6:55 you raised a note where it sounds much better, but I wonder what the artist thinks about this. This wasn't just tuning, but an artistic decision. I liked your choice though.
I just put Waves Tune Real Time on the bad sections after setting the song key and call it a day.
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i have to tune a vocal and the song change many times of key, from C maj to A maj. how do i change the key signature on melodyne? please help me. thanks!
which site can i download MELODYNE or send me
I’ve seen other engineers do what you did in the beginning but don’t understand, why do split up a word just to have those segments tuned to the same note?
Could use some vocal collaboration, what would you like? I'll assist you.
Really? Are you from Holland? I didn't hear that.😂
I don't know why I'm seeing so many comments not realizing that autotune is just as powerful manually and in fact, it can actually pitch correct a few circumstances a little bit more naturally. If you know what you're doing though.
A looooot of shade thrown at autotune. I think even you can appreciate the technology that is behind autotune (originally created for measuring huge wholes in the earth for oil drilling).
I use Logic Pro X's stock plug in: Flex Pitch .....is Melodyne better? worth it?
Mark Geuel Lim definitely better and less robotic unless you put it to the max settings, I got it when I purchased nectar 3 at a student discount, so in that case definitely
where's Reaper tho...
:D
Only Coffee :O
If I tune, I tune with ReaTune in Reaper. Its a very good tool and comes free with Reaper. I have the tuner from Waves and its crap.
Can you show adding harmonies ?
Do you like the band focus
Is it possible to check melodyne 5
Is it cheating? What if you're remixing old multi-tracks and you no longer have access to the singer/recording environment etc? It's a godsend - all hail Melodyne... More power to your elbow....
How much we pay for melodyne?
Ummmm....I would just like to say... FUCK YEAH!
remind me autotune when i had to constantly put the retune speed tune full speed , very annoying
I'm having a problem, i'm using it on a daw but is too slow and the worst thing is not saving... Is like is not saving the progress along the daw
... Oh man.
newtone vs melodyne?
hehe just double click on notes with pitch tool selected to fix pitch
everything I want to know you seem to make a video off. THANK GOD FOR YOUR EXISTENCE WHITE SEA!!! GOOD VIDEO...
I'd rather just tell the singer to do better 😂
I love you
it's not that easy
Whats up with your left hand?
The dark thingy on your clove
I think you should check it out because it could be a REALLY BAD SING OF CANCER
(I heard a story about a women with a thing like that on her clove, she went to someone, asked him to cover it up and he talked her that she have cancer... creepy)
Maybe I'm a bit Drama-Queen but...
I was bitten by a dog... all is okay :-)
@@Whiteseastudio What about the dog?..!!
Cubase, vari audio
Are you dutch because you sound like it
does it stealing vocal track quality alot after all???
i find melodyne affects the audio even if you haven't put any correction on. I quite often use Reatune in reaper for very natural tuning and melodyne for that pop tuned sound.
Is it ok to clip a plugin..... Like I am producing EDM.... So sometime my eq cilp.. and I just lower down the volume of synth to not clip my plugin.... But as I walking on the track the sound is going to so week..... So is it ok to clip a plugin in EDM.. please reply
The correct answer is: The world needs less EDM.
If you turn it down and it sounds weak but there is only volume change then it is weak at quiet volumes. Gain stage so nothing clips and use your faders to set volume, with EQ with saturation clipping will sound different so it's what sounds good.
I don't think that the best way to tune vocals in melodyne is using macro's all the time. Macros aren't that accurate for correcting pitch and most of the times it sounds cheap. Start using pitch drift and pitch modulation tools and correct it manually, or watch some youtube tutorials. And after that, make a new video. This sounds shit
Yeah it looks like he just found Melodyne and messing around. It's strange that he use it that way. Atleast in a youtube video. This is not how you should use melodyne profesionally
Totally agree. I've learned a lot on this channel, but an 'advanced' video on using Melodyne naturally, that doesn't even mention the pitch drift and pitch modulation tools is pretty embarrassing. :/
its ironic but he wouldve gotten a much more natural sound using a slow auto tune lmao. auto tune only sounds "fake" when the reaction time is low. i legitimately feel like he was making adjustments FASTER than what auto tune would, completely defeating the purpose of "manual tuning"
Autotune is not automatic if you dont want it to be! It works the same as melodyne.
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HAHAHA nee niet sandstorm by darude, hahahaha toen ik 12 was hoorde ik die zo vaak in tutoruals
Coffee in a glass ? Noooo. Take a cup please. Pitch correction is ok but just for tuning. Not as an effect.
i like both ways
as a Brazilian, coffee has to be strong, and hot as hell and in a pre-heated cup... Coffee in a glass is sort of sacrilege hahahahahaa
Ok so newtone is pretty much the same in function.
I love melodyne for automatic detection and then messing around with the midi part. As for Studio one, you just detect melodyne and then drag/drop the melodyne track onto a midi track. Fun fun fun.
As for voice correction, yeah, it's cheating :-)
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Ben je niet?