Been at plant hire with commercial customers. My policy has been , send inv, next month send statement, 14 days after that, send final demand with request for payment within 7 days. After that please don't contact me, my solicitor s details are,,,,, they will commence collection procedures and will be adding their costs plus collection fees. Over 25 years in business, only one non payment. It isn't personal ,it's business, simple as.
Nice honest video explaining the difficulties getting money in... some people really take the piss when it comes to paying for work.... just this week in cumbria, where i live a machinery company just shut up its 2 branches "ct haytons" they were case agents, been on the go nearly 100 yrs but just couldn't get the money in n said no more...
I knew a contractor in cork who had a client who would only pay his silage bill the following year when the next cut was made. The contractor got sick of this but went and mowed the farmers field but then never returned to pick it up. The farmer rang him and the contractor explained that he needed to be paid for last year's and this year's before he would bring the cut grass in. The farmer tried to get other contractors to finish it but none would touch the job. He had to go back, pay the guy for last year and this year to get his silage in the pit. As you probably guessed that was the last year the contractor worked for him
The thing i notice is the small man will always try and pay you but the big boys are a different kettle of fish they will fuck you around as long as they can and then get someone else in hard to win but I hope you get your money.
Totally right,the bigger farmers are also the meanest! Cannot understand their mentality, totally miserable. Once worked for a 160 cow dairyman,a cup of tea and a banana-7 in morning till midnight! Another 24 cow man,fed like a king. Unreal.
By not charging interest on the money that man owes you, you're effectively paying him to hold your money. Now, it's not much, but you do have a right to reclaim your costs. You have to weigh that against whether doing that damages other relationships, but you'll know about that from contracting generally.
I would also say, you could probably do worse than investing in an e-invoicing system which would also do your books for you too. There are lots of cheap and effective software out there that are pretty straightforward - even like a Shopify type thing which would handle payments and invoicing on the front end, and book keeping on the back. This would keep all invoicing up to date, and avoid any problems with finding numbers, etc.
Phil did you ever hear of the 'oul Wavin Attitude Adjuster ?...it works wonders getting tardy lads to pay up. A knock on the door with it works wonders. Keep 'er Lit.
Why did yhe self feed silage pits go out of fashion? From initial thoughts, its a hell of a saving on diesel and time over winter. But there are lots of things that would need to be done to get it right, including sloping floor away from the face, long pit face, checking of the fence to make sure it is live and damgerous. Whats your thoughts Phil?
I think if i was farming the amount of land that yere farming id cut out hire work , machinery is gone out through the rafters price wise and good tractor drivers are as scarce as hens teeth, a lot of lads in the game are well pissed off and would get out in the morning if they could, on top of everything then you have the pressure of getting paid to pay your bills , pure madness
Hi Phil if it’s close enough to call to that guy I think it’s important to try it and try get his number then. There are some people that will only write the cheque when you’re in front of them. Best of luck with the new venture looking forward to hearing more on it.
Hi Phil, watching the video's for years now but don't normally comment on any, but that not getting paid makes my blood boil, could you try the small claims court, it's done through your local council i think and you don't need a solicitor, it covers claims up to €2,000 .
You can't use the small claims court to recover money owed. Best thing that farmer Phil can do is make contact with farmers that owe him money, ask them outright if there's a problem in paying , offer them monthly repayments to repay debt over 12 months. In reality if you are taking on work with that machine from someone that you haven't worked for before you should demand payment on the headland when the work is complete, have the invoice book in the tractor with you. If a cheque bounces at least you can take that to court.. It's hard to stay in business if you give credit to someone without doing background checks.
Farmer Phil, I was at that contracting game when I was young and foolish. My conclusion was at that time was a person would be better sitting on the side of the road with a begging Bowl. and remember there is very little maintenance on a begging Bowl.
Contracting can be a tramps job sometimes, 10 years ago I dropped 4 customers that all owed me money and each year their balance was rising even though I was getting some money from them, i just walked away from them I never got what was owed but my buisness immediately improved and I haven’t got one bad paying customer today, the bad payers are running out of contractors
It's a crazy world we live in you can't leave a shop without paying for a pack of sweets or a newspaper but then some of us can be hung for thousands of euros for work done.one thing I have learnt is a fast issued invoice is often a fast paid one.
Well said,might wake up a few dreamers in farming and contracting some of the biggest contractors featured on TH-cam doing work for half the cost just to be playing with shiny John Deeres
The kivi pekka may not make profit yet but it profits the customers and even your own land, and back immensely. We had a 130 acre reseed job done with a lad with a kivi pekka, it worked so well, it saved so much time and back ache. And made great filling stone. Superb job. The grass is sprouting through now
I’d be careful naming or shaming people Phil, the way the things are nowadays if you do that you would more then likely end up paying them money in court 🙈
There's contractors like that. I questioned one after 2nd cut and gave out to him for not taking payment. He said he had 5 farmers who were all good to pay so he would never collect that until near Christmas or the following January. He said it was better than any bank because he had money available but he couldn't spend it! 🤷♂️
Hi, i do a bit of hire work. Farmers have their own routine of paying. Some pay out the gate, some pay after so many acres and some pay the end of the year when its all finished up. Can be a lot of expense to carry for the year. I have to travel this year for the work. From cloughan, to rathdowney to caherconlish in a tractor is a job in itself
NIE/Power NI ,have made millions from the green power produced in Northern Ireland. They over charged for connection to the grid . They are the only company so therefore , just charge what they like ,no competition ,should not be allowed .
The man that you’ve lost his number surely you’ll be able to get it off someone else?? or go round his place and see him. Tell him it’s the last reminder, if he doesn’t pay, tell him you’ll collect assets instead.
@colin7334 "hello everybody, my name is farmer Phil and in today's video we are getting my money back. Liv, Bro and Father Phil will be with me while we do this job then we are going changing some oil filters once we don't get delayed here doing some voluntary dental work."
Great video. There must be a way of getting the contact details of the non payer… call to the house when you get a minute, bring a duplicate invoice and ask for payment. If you don’t get it go the solicitor direction, either way you won’t be working for him again. You can’t absorb even €1k hit when the numbers are so tight on that machine. Keep up the good work.
Phil i would call to there houses the people that owes u the money.make sure there wifes are there when u call and just say legal action is next.tis sad to think that when u do a job and not get paid then u see the farmer with an up grade in a tractor or car reallys boils ur blood.hope u get ur money
He’s in partnership with Samaz from the mowers came hence the tour of the factory, ploughing match promoting and so on. Free machines to promote and the word demo just dilutes it. Fair play to him as it helps them get through work but i think he should be careful in how he declares it. That’s the retired accountant in me speaking.
Phil Employ viper debt collection they will all pay up. A builder in Waterford owed a small contractor 30k. The builder just kept telling the man to xxxk off He hired viper debt collection service and he got his 3o k the cost 3 k and two nights in a hotel
Have enjoyed ur video immensely Phil. This old lady is from the old school, pay ur bills, it's the best sleeping pill one ever needs. Honestly is the best policy 🙌
People who don’t pay bills are pathetic losers. I am an accounts manager and have to do some credit control regular. I tell our debtors if you can’t pay the whole thing at once then maybe you can pay something every week, no matter the amount £25, £50 or £250 it is better than nothing and will reduce your bill substantially over a few months. It’s hard work and a thankless job but has to be done because you have bills to pay as well. send them the bill again, in the post if you have to, but keep at them, go knock on the door and hand them the bill but keep at them. Good luck.
First rule doing contracting is issue invoice 10 to 14 days I send a message one month after invoice date if it’s for a large farm/ company. In general I carry the invoice book in the tractor hand it to them when the job is complete if any one is offended by my policy they can get someone else. I started in 1994 after leaving College with a old Ursus and am owed nothing.
I owe a contractor for three years tedding, 120 acres in total, have asked him about twenty times to tell me what i owe him, yeah I’ll do up a bill next week is always the response, he’s owed a fortune from lots of farmers, there must be serious money in contracting.
Now from a pure financial perspective I would encourage you to seek payment for work done it’s just fairness but then as a farmer you know the life better than anyone. The chances are there is reason that payment is delayed. Pride can get in the way but also you’re a good man so I find that the lack of payment is just not on without discussing it with you. Anyway you can name ans shame so to speak, but maybe father is best to remind the other fella that his actions are out of order as he has a way about him that really does make you think. Anyway not sure how swift the Irish courts work and the time and cost to recover money but it’s always an option. You’re the better man but don’t let your kindest be mistaken! You always could go drop off a reminder invoice with a few ton and stones to ensure the wind doesn’t blow it out the postbox! You’re a good man, let’s hope they do the right thing!
That's appalling .why not pay him 30 days after invoice. Farmers are quick to put the hand out for fodder support , slurry tanker grant etc etc etc ...farmers since of entitlement is shocking
Hello. I wonder what materials does Massey Ferguson 6000 series has to insulate cab noise? And how is it placed? I have a new Chinese YTO tractor, but it has really weak sound isolation.
I’ve got a small fabrication welding business do a bit for farmers and contractors heard all the stories and the best way to get your money is to take a debtor to court it might end up costing you money but it sends a message you won’t loose any of your good customers and the bad ones will stay away
100% then steer well clear of the bastards that don’t pay or make an ordeal of getting money off,eventually you’ll have customers you trust. As the saying goes no point being a busy gobshite😂As well being quiet with work as being flat out doing work for lads that don’t pay. I’m a fabricator myself👍🏼
Phil, don't name and shame them. ask your dad what to do, you are making a wage of the add since from YT, if you name and shame you become the bad guy. either do it off the internet or take it in the teeth. you have a good thing going here and the progress is showing, the progress will bring in more people from farming forum etc to the channel, but if you become that guy that uses his influence to shame someone for 2k you will be net negative in long run. it is frustrating not to get paid, but it would be worse to damage what you have now for some unfair people that wont pay their bills. there are legal ways to approach this without having it on the channel. Don't take easy option and name them cause that is in long run worse for you. Take some time here and be careful
Phil i myself hate to say it but the stonepicked is kinda of a waste and with the custom farming work i do here in the states I'll came to your house if i dont get paid within 7 days ive only done that once and got the reputation that if I don't get paid I will show up
It doesn't matter what game your at you'll always find bad payers. 1 you have his email send him a reminder if that doesn't work after a week go and knock on the door and talk to him face to face. And if that doesn't work then take legal action. And if that doesn't work then just tip a couple of loads of stones or shit at his front door. But 🤞 you get your money it's not a nice feeling when you work for free.
Don't take this the rong way .after 28 days u should have been knocking on his door to find out when he was paying.u have left it to long.as for the uther man go knocking. If u let people get away whith it word sone gets round for been a pushover. Or issuing a winding up petition
HI Phil, I would say if they won't the job done then pay when it is done or you can't do the job Give them a work order have them sign it. The best way is to pay when you are done, you can't be their friend and make a living better that way than waste time and fuel and not get paid.
Long term square baler will probably make more money than kivi pekka tbh, if you're stone picking every mans farm in next 5 years you'll have nothing to do after that 😂
Your better off building the shop anyway that contracting game is gone a big numbers game between price machinery and that know one wants to drive tractors anymore
so why get another machine when you could of had a weeks work witht the stone picker but turned it down as you couldn't spare the time don't add up also the other two you said you payed for they don;t earn you any money till your got back the out laying cost of them, if you had to pay the person on the seat and the diesel it would take you 6 years to pay the stone picker off, as for the people who havew not payed the longer you leave it the more chance you will never get it pay them a visit or take them to court to get it
If it takes 2 or 3 hours each day to travel back and forth from the job, that's 2 or 3 hours of hire work, fuel and weather wasted, and down at least days work in the week. He's working in Ireland and all these jobs are weather permitting otherwise he'd be tearing up peoples fields. If he has another implement for the tractor and can pick up local jobs it would suit the operation better to get more hours in while the weather is permitting. You can't choose when it's raining or the sun shining. If it didn't pay to send someone else on that job he wasn't obviously charging enough. It's a race to the bottom then. Ask the farmer if he would give the driver bed and board for the week also and get that job done 👍.
Its before you do a job money needs to be talked about. Different if working for a neighbour or some 1 ye have done all their work for years. But when taking 1 off jobs off strangers or not your clients. You need to tell them before you arrive at their field as in when they ring you. That its so much an hr and iv to be paid leaving the field. Bein working for my self for 20 years. You still may meet a bolloks who will dissappear. But in general if you tell them straight out you need to be paid on the day they will. Or they wont hire you. They will ring someone else hoping they will do the job and send an envoice after they can ignore till the perfect time comes which never does. You need to call to that man tomoro you shudnt have mentioned it here. Single payment was made this week you shud have had that in mind and called to him Thursday.
U are a big boy now phil ! Its all part of the job ! Call..over to the man ! & spend 2 hours talking about the weather , how many cows this lad is milking! Whos building a new shed ! The great price a bullock made ! Did ya hear the Chinese are after landing. On the farside of the moon ...! Drink the tea & dont go home till. get your money A cheque is gramd .. But sure cash would be better 😁😆🤣🤣
Blimey what an admission! Basically not having any customer details of who you do work for. I couldn't operate my business on that basis because nobody pay knowing I don't have their address, contact number, email address and job details. That doesn't mean I am not owed money because I am, but I know where to send reminders and warning letters which to be fair is rare. New customers get no credit existing customers seven days. Times are very tricky. Anyone wanting 90day terms, sure but the job price increases dramatically if I have to give 90days credit for one job. My mind is boggled at your very relaxed business practice.
Completely irrelevant if there isn't an invoice because an invoice is a legal document that must have details on it. It is extremely difficult to prove a debt UNLESS, the defendant fails to respond to any written communications citing the debt. If the defendant denies the debt, the case is dead. I gave a guy £100 here in the UK for some parts and he never delivered, eventually I won in court because of his failure to deny the debt. You see, I have the T shirt and I am in business too as self employed and with a limited company.Also, IF the debt here in the UK is not billed within six months of the work being done, there is no recourse for the contractor.
We have the opposite problem where we cannot get a bill from contractors. We're always left pestering the contractor to make out the bill and often end up over paying because we write cheques throughout the year so we don't get a massive bill in the door on Christmas day.
i sent an invoice the same day as the work is done, liv usually has one put together sent to me and i forward it on whatsapp before leaving, i have the maps, worked area time and date started and finished, 1st name. i lost the rest of the information as i lost my phone in the pit and the iphone hadnt backed up in a month
Nothing cleaned, washed down or maintenance done before putting machinery away for the winter, money not collected, if he was working for a contractor he'd be fired within a week. Too lazy to even clean windows in the tractor, he wouldn't last a week. Lucky boy he's working for Daddy.
@@feirmfactor859yes exactly. But I do think he should push in a different direction. Stone picking work seems limited. Tillage or silage pit for hire seems limited. It's hard to know where to go because every few years things change anyway
Well Phil , by no means have you put any of that machinery away clean, absolutely dreadful way to look after such expensive machinery, there’s many farms over here that you would end up being shown the door, come on Phil put some effort into looking after your machinery
I’d call to the door! And ask for it, there is always the legal route which if your a registered contractor you will get it that way! Been honest as a fellow TH-camr I wouldn’t talk about the business side to much it can ruffle the feathers the wrong way and can meet a stone wall, I’m sure father Phil has the wisdom answers to getting paid 👍
Our contractor can be two years in sending a bill. The last two times Ive just went to his house and paid him. This year is no different. No bill yet for slurry, mowing and baling.
I'd put a timber board under all them tyres on machines that you parked. The milled peat on the floor is acidic which is not good for the life of the tyres.
He talked about someone owing him money he didn’t name and shame maybe enough people know about that person in fairness he should of named and shamed him machines don’t run on oxygen and the banks don’t care who owes you what when it comes too making repayments
@@chriscoss28 i wouldn't agree with naming people on social media, I would just cut my losses and move on and try to advise other contractors in my circle about said people. U can only be done the once by the same person.
Phil, in both Business and Personal, remember that people will only treat you the way you allow them to treat you. Next time you deal with a difficult person - set clear boundaries and make clear your rules for engagement.
Been at plant hire with commercial customers. My policy has been , send inv, next month send statement, 14 days after that, send final demand with request for payment within 7 days. After that please don't contact me, my solicitor s details are,,,,, they will commence collection procedures and will be adding their costs plus collection fees. Over 25 years in business, only one non payment. It isn't personal ,it's business, simple as.
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Enjoyed the chat about farmers paying you! Its your money the second the jobs done.
My father always said, theirs no problem in getting work its getting money is the problem.
Nice honest video explaining the difficulties getting money in... some people really take the piss when it comes to paying for work.... just this week in cumbria, where i live a machinery company just shut up its 2 branches "ct haytons" they were case agents, been on the go nearly 100 yrs but just couldn't get the money in n said no more...
Pleased to see that you liked stone picker,used to supply consumables to Charlie and Robert over in Allendale.Great people to deal with
I knew a contractor in cork who had a client who would only pay his silage bill the following year when the next cut was made. The contractor got sick of this but went and mowed the farmers field but then never returned to pick it up. The farmer rang him and the contractor explained that he needed to be paid for last year's and this year's before he would bring the cut grass in. The farmer tried to get other contractors to finish it but none would touch the job. He had to go back, pay the guy for last year and this year to get his silage in the pit.
As you probably guessed that was the last year the contractor worked for him
That happens way too much.
That was a silly thing to do to a customer even if he was still paying for last years why you lose a customer who always paid .. just silly
@@teammj2855 because soneone else may pop up and he'll get them instead and you'll never get it
he wanted rid of a bad customer
@@AbcdEfgh-zp1sn how is he a bad customer when he pays maybe a year but still gets paid
Take the pin out of the centre of the arm, manually lift the arm up and put the pin back in through
the end of the arm.
Couldn’t help 9:10 but notice the sway in the boom going over the bumps I think it wants rebushing at the main pin!
Super honest video. Not easy making it work . But good honest people always pay. Keep the faith for 2025 and keep the great content coming
I hate when people don’t buy bills I have a personal that owns me a good bit of money but will never get it great video like away
The thing i notice is the small man will always try and pay you but the big boys are a different kettle of fish they will fuck you around as long as they can and then get someone else in hard to win but I hope you get your money.
Totally right,the bigger farmers are also the meanest! Cannot understand their mentality, totally miserable. Once worked for a 160 cow dairyman,a cup of tea and a banana-7 in morning till midnight! Another 24 cow man,fed like a king. Unreal.
@@oliver69cork46 And that's why theae big boys have it.
It’s worth it when the combine is out of order for a day because a big rock got taken through the feeder house.
By not charging interest on the money that man owes you, you're effectively paying him to hold your money. Now, it's not much, but you do have a right to reclaim your costs. You have to weigh that against whether doing that damages other relationships, but you'll know about that from contracting generally.
I would also say, you could probably do worse than investing in an e-invoicing system which would also do your books for you too. There are lots of cheap and effective software out there that are pretty straightforward - even like a Shopify type thing which would handle payments and invoicing on the front end, and book keeping on the back. This would keep all invoicing up to date, and avoid any problems with finding numbers, etc.
I'd be tempted to give them their stones back.
@@dennishughes3250 that's a good one. Tip a couple of loads out on their laneway maybe
That made me lol 😂👏
Phil did you ever hear of the 'oul Wavin Attitude Adjuster ?...it works wonders getting tardy lads to pay up. A knock on the door with it works wonders. Keep 'er Lit.
Great content Farmers Phil.You definitely need to be paid we all have to pay 💰.So So good luck 😉.
Great video Phil, sorry to hear of non payments, unfortunately it happens more often than not. Hopefully some or all of that money comes in soon. 👍🏼👍🏼
Why did yhe self feed silage pits go out of fashion? From initial thoughts, its a hell of a saving on diesel and time over winter. But there are lots of things that would need to be done to get it right, including sloping floor away from the face, long pit face, checking of the fence to make sure it is live and damgerous. Whats your thoughts Phil?
I think if i was farming the amount of land that yere farming id cut out hire work , machinery is gone out through the rafters price wise and good tractor drivers are as scarce as hens teeth, a lot of lads in the game are well pissed off and would get out in the morning if they could, on top of everything then you have the pressure of getting paid to pay your bills , pure madness
Around here anyway, there's no end of work for hedgecutters. The local guy now has 4 of them on the road
Hi Phil if it’s close enough to call to that guy I think it’s important to try it and try get his number then. There are some people that will only write the cheque when you’re in front of them. Best of luck with the new venture looking forward to hearing more on it.
Would you consider buying a bulk fert/lime spreader?
Hi farmer Phil that was a great job with all your on the farmer and keep up the good work with all on the farmer 🎉🎉🎉🎉
Hi Phil, watching the video's for years now but don't normally comment on any, but that not getting paid makes my blood boil, could you try the small claims court, it's done through your local council i think and you don't need a solicitor, it covers claims up to €2,000 .
You can't use the small claims court to recover money owed.
Best thing that farmer Phil can do is make contact with farmers that owe him money, ask them outright if there's a problem in paying , offer them monthly repayments to repay debt over 12 months. In reality if you are taking on work with that machine from someone that you haven't worked for before you should demand payment on the headland when the work is complete, have the invoice book in the tractor with you. If a cheque bounces at least you can take that to court.. It's hard to stay in business if you give credit to someone without doing background checks.
Farmer Phil, I was at that contracting game when I was young and foolish. My conclusion was at that time was a person would be better sitting on the side of the road with a begging Bowl. and remember there is very little maintenance on a begging Bowl.
Contracting can be a tramps job sometimes, 10 years ago I dropped 4 customers that all owed me money and each year their balance was rising even though I was getting some money from them, i just walked away from them I never got what was owed but my buisness immediately improved and I haven’t got one bad paying customer today, the bad payers are running out of contractors
It's a crazy world we live in you can't leave a shop without paying for a pack of sweets or a newspaper but then some of us can be hung for thousands of euros for work done.one thing I have learnt is a fast issued invoice is often a fast paid one.
Can you put a lean on there farm. Ask for 3/4 down before you start the job
Well said,might wake up a few dreamers in farming and contracting some of the biggest contractors featured on TH-cam doing work for half the cost just to be playing with shiny John Deeres
I’m in business and when it goes 15days past payment date its a call to their house when their sleeping
The kivi pekka may not make profit yet but it profits the customers and even your own land, and back immensely. We had a 130 acre reseed job done with a lad with a kivi pekka, it worked so well, it saved so much time and back ache. And made great filling stone. Superb job. The grass is sprouting through now
Some money in reseeding 130 acres!
A man who works for free will always have work
Just go visit the bloke Phil, nothing like face to face to sort something out. Could you put your pigs on the slats in that shed?
Damn ryt phil name & shame rogue farmers who blagguard contractors
Love your work, keep it up. From eastern Washington, USA.
There are some contractors in my area that don't collect money for 12 months + after the job has been done.
I’d be careful naming or shaming people Phil, the way the things are nowadays if you do that you would more then likely end up paying them money in court 🙈
Great video there Phil pure honesty 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I'm still waiting for last years invoice from my contractor. The other side of the coin, I guess. I've asked him more than once for it.
There's contractors like that. I questioned one after 2nd cut and gave out to him for not taking payment. He said he had 5 farmers who were all good to pay so he would never collect that until near Christmas or the following January. He said it was better than any bank because he had money available but he couldn't spend it! 🤷♂️
Hi, i do a bit of hire work. Farmers have their own routine of paying. Some pay out the gate, some pay after so many acres and some pay the end of the year when its all finished up. Can be a lot of expense to carry for the year. I have to travel this year for the work. From cloughan, to rathdowney to caherconlish in a tractor is a job in itself
NIE/Power NI ,have made millions from the green power produced in Northern Ireland.
They over charged for connection to the grid . They are the only company so therefore , just charge what they like ,no competition ,should not be allowed .
How much do you charge or what’s the going rate per hour/acre for stone picking?
Could you possibly pull the picker with a drawbar?
The man that you’ve lost his number surely you’ll be able to get it off someone else?? or go round his place and see him. Tell him it’s the last reminder, if he doesn’t pay, tell him you’ll collect assets instead.
Jasus, wouldn't it make a great video! Phil, Brown, Father and Liv all loaded into the pick-up!
Seriously, I agree, door step the miserable git.
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@@richardbourke2402 😂😂😂 hadn’t thought of videoing it!!
@colin7334 "hello everybody, my name is farmer Phil and in today's video we are getting my money back. Liv, Bro and Father Phil will be with me while we do this job then we are going changing some oil filters once we don't get delayed here doing some voluntary dental work."
It's scandalous that customers just think they can get a service and then just not pay! 😮
Great video. There must be a way of getting the contact details of the non payer… call to the house when you get a minute, bring a duplicate invoice and ask for payment. If you don’t get it go the solicitor direction, either way you won’t be working for him again. You can’t absorb even €1k hit when the numbers are so tight on that machine. Keep up the good work.
Phil i would call to there houses the people that owes u the money.make sure there wifes are there when u call and just say legal action is next.tis sad to think that when u do a job and not get paid then u see the farmer with an up grade in a tractor or car reallys boils ur blood.hope u get ur money
Just wondering how come you put the new rake and Tedder in de shed when they were only on demo
He’s in partnership with Samaz from the mowers came hence the tour of the factory, ploughing match promoting and so on. Free machines to promote and the word demo just dilutes it. Fair play to him as it helps them get through work but i think he should be careful in how he declares it. That’s the retired accountant in me speaking.
he never said anything about being in a partnership with that company so I'm not sure what to say about that but if he is fair play to farmer Phil
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Employ viper debt collection they will all pay up. A builder in Waterford owed a small contractor 30k. The builder just kept telling the man to xxxk off
He hired viper debt collection service and he got his 3o k the cost 3 k and two nights in a hotel
Would you have a number for him we have a cxxt of a farmer who owes 40k for a grain store
Have enjoyed ur video immensely Phil. This old lady is from the old school, pay ur bills, it's the best sleeping pill one ever needs. Honestly is the best policy 🙌
People who don’t pay bills are pathetic losers. I am an accounts manager and have to do some credit control regular. I tell our debtors if you can’t pay the whole thing at once then maybe you can pay something every week, no matter the amount £25, £50 or £250 it is better than nothing and will reduce your bill substantially over a few months. It’s hard work and a thankless job but has to be done because you have bills to pay as well. send them the bill again, in the post if you have to, but keep at them, go knock on the door and hand them the bill but keep at them. Good luck.
No good send bro round to collect, you need to get paid for your work, Phil from Phil
Nice one Phil
You need to visit your customers and explain that you have to pay your bill to provide them with a service and that's how it works
First rule doing contracting is issue invoice 10 to 14 days I send a message one month after invoice date if it’s for a large farm/ company. In general I carry the invoice book in the tractor hand it to them when the job is complete if any one is offended by my policy they can get someone else. I started in 1994 after leaving College with a old Ursus and am owed nothing.
Jesus Phil is I’ll you clean the tractor windows can’t see a thing
Fair play to you for your hard work, Get help to get your money, you done the job, you need your money, simple
If you sent him an invoice have you not got his details ..
Phil did you ever find the phone you lost on the pit what phone was it
I owe a contractor for three years tedding, 120 acres in total, have asked him about twenty times to tell me what i owe him, yeah I’ll do up a bill next week is always the response, he’s owed a fortune from lots of farmers, there must be serious money in contracting.
Be wary about naming and shaming as he'd not pay a bill but he'd pay for a solicitor to get coin off ye for ruining his "good name"
When will you get started in the workshop, was hoping for an update on the 3095 & 3690
Now from a pure financial perspective I would encourage you to seek payment for work done it’s just fairness but then as a farmer you know the life better than anyone. The chances are there is reason that payment is delayed. Pride can get in the way but also you’re a good man so I find that the lack of payment is just not on without discussing it with you. Anyway you can name ans shame so to speak, but maybe father is best to remind the other fella that his actions are out of order as he has a way about him that really does make you think. Anyway not sure how swift the Irish courts work and the time and cost to recover money but it’s always an option. You’re the better man but don’t let your kindest be mistaken! You always could go drop off a reminder invoice with a few ton and stones to ensure the wind doesn’t blow it out the postbox! You’re a good man, let’s hope they do the right thing!
Did u buy the samaz rake and tedder
i only pay my contractor at the end of each year and i have to call to him
That's appalling .why not pay him 30 days after invoice. Farmers are quick to put the hand out for fodder support , slurry tanker grant etc etc etc ...farmers since of entitlement is shocking
@@AbcdEfgh-zp1sn I think he’s saying this situation is created by the contractor
Not sure the alphabet keyboard warrior actually exists. You couldn't be that senseless as a human! #Iamnotarobot
Good see ye in action ya takes all good out it if not paying all do go to farm get money nobody works free
If those Farmers who haven't paid have grain go round and make them load a lorry with grain to cover the cost i know a few lads who do that
Will you get rid of the stone picker if you don't get the work?
Hello. I wonder what materials does Massey Ferguson 6000 series has to insulate cab noise? And how is it placed?
I have a new Chinese YTO tractor, but it has really weak sound isolation.
Well come ji
I’ve got a small fabrication welding business do a bit for farmers and contractors heard all the stories and the best way to get your money is to take a debtor to court it might end up costing you money but it sends a message you won’t loose any of your good customers and the bad ones will stay away
100% then steer well clear of the bastards that don’t pay or make an ordeal of getting money off,eventually you’ll have customers you trust.
As the saying goes no point being a busy gobshite😂As well being quiet with work as being flat out doing work for lads that don’t pay.
I’m a fabricator myself👍🏼
Phil, don't name and shame them. ask your dad what to do, you are making a wage of the add since from YT, if you name and shame you become the bad guy. either do it off the internet or take it in the teeth. you have a good thing going here and the progress is showing, the progress will bring in more people from farming forum etc to the channel, but if you become that guy that uses his influence to shame someone for 2k you will be net negative in long run. it is frustrating not to get paid, but it would be worse to damage what you have now for some unfair people that wont pay their bills. there are legal ways to approach this without having it on the channel. Don't take easy option and name them cause that is in long run worse for you. Take some time here and be careful
Phil i myself hate to say it but the stonepicked is kinda of a waste and with the custom farming work i do here in the states I'll came to your house if i dont get paid within 7 days ive only done that once and got the reputation that if I don't get paid I will show up
Well did you end up feeding maize meal to bulls yet to get them going.can you do another video on feeding them phil soon??
Another great video and again full of great honest content.
Would you consider renting out the stone picker for self drive and collection?
You need to get urself an enforcer phill 😂😂 little bit of persuasion if ya know what a mean 😂😂
It doesn't matter what game your at you'll always find bad payers.
1 you have his email send him a reminder if that doesn't work after a week go and knock on the door and talk to him face to face. And if that doesn't work then take legal action. And if that doesn't work then just tip a couple of loads of stones or shit at his front door.
But 🤞 you get your money it's not a nice feeling when you work for free.
i asked a contractor why u only work for 2o farmers answer they Pay Me
that's exactly it
Great vid phill. Sorry to hear that u did the work. O I coming to u and cleaning all the windows in Masseys
Don't take this the rong way .after 28 days u should have been knocking on his door to find out when he was paying.u have left it to long.as for the uther man go knocking. If u let people get away whith it word sone gets round for been a pushover. Or
issuing a winding up petition
Spread the word phil to other contractors about the rogue farmers phil
HI Phil, I would say if they won't the job done then pay when it is done or you can't do the job Give them a work order have them sign it. The best way is to pay when you are done, you can't be their friend and make a living better that way than waste time and fuel and not get paid.
Long term square baler will probably make more money than kivi pekka tbh, if you're stone picking every mans farm in next 5 years you'll have nothing to do after that 😂
Go to his house . Knock knock . Hey I got these bills that need paid . How I do it . 50% up front rest at the end. At least the 50% covers my costs
Your better off building the shop anyway that contracting game is gone a big numbers game between price machinery and that know one wants to drive tractors anymore
Hey,Phil Brilliant video, as always, one question: Are you planning to put Aggs on the J,C,B ?
so why get another machine when you could of had a weeks work witht the stone picker but turned it down as you couldn't spare the time don't add up also the other two you said you payed for they don;t earn you any money till your got back the out laying cost of them, if you had to pay the person on the seat and the diesel it would take you 6 years to pay the stone picker off, as for the people who havew not payed the longer you leave it the more chance you will never get it pay them a visit or take them to court to get it
If it takes 2 or 3 hours each day to travel back and forth from the job, that's 2 or 3 hours of hire work, fuel and weather wasted, and down at least days work in the week.
He's working in Ireland and all these jobs are weather permitting otherwise he'd be tearing up peoples fields.
If he has another implement for the tractor and can pick up local jobs it would suit the operation better to get more hours in while the weather is permitting. You can't choose when it's raining or the sun shining.
If it didn't pay to send someone else on that job he wasn't obviously charging enough. It's a race to the bottom then. Ask the farmer if he would give the driver bed and board for the week also and get that job done 👍.
Its before you do a job money needs to be talked about. Different if working for a neighbour or some 1 ye have done all their work for years. But when taking 1 off jobs off strangers or not your clients. You need to tell them before you arrive at their field as in when they ring you. That its so much an hr and iv to be paid leaving the field. Bein working for my self for 20 years. You still may meet a bolloks who will dissappear. But in general if you tell them straight out you need to be paid on the day they will. Or they wont hire you. They will ring someone else hoping they will do the job and send an envoice after they can ignore till the perfect time comes which never does. You need to call to that man tomoro you shudnt have mentioned it here. Single payment was made this week you shud have had that in mind and called to him Thursday.
U are a big boy now phil ! Its all part of the job ! Call..over to the man ! & spend 2 hours talking about the weather , how many cows this lad is milking! Whos building a new shed ! The great price a bullock made ! Did ya hear the Chinese are after landing. On the farside of the moon ...! Drink the tea
& dont go home till. get your money
A cheque is gramd ..
But sure cash would be better 😁😆🤣🤣
Blimey what an admission! Basically not having any customer details of who you do work for. I couldn't operate my business on that basis because nobody pay knowing I don't have their address, contact number, email address and job details. That doesn't mean I am not owed money because I am, but I know where to send reminders and warning letters which to be fair is rare. New customers get no credit existing customers seven days. Times are very tricky. Anyone wanting 90day terms, sure but the job price increases dramatically if I have to give 90days credit for one job. My mind is boggled at your very relaxed business practice.
He knows where he lives.
Completely irrelevant if there isn't an invoice because an invoice is a legal document that must have details on it. It is extremely difficult to prove a debt UNLESS, the defendant fails to respond to any written communications citing the debt. If the defendant denies the debt, the case is dead. I gave a guy £100 here in the UK for some parts and he never delivered, eventually I won in court because of his failure to deny the debt. You see, I have the T shirt and I am in business too as self employed and with a limited company.Also, IF the debt here in the UK is not billed within six months of the work being done, there is no recourse for the contractor.
@@JonDingle Unless you kick his teeth in.
We have the opposite problem where we cannot get a bill from contractors. We're always left pestering the contractor to make out the bill and often end up over paying because we write cheques throughout the year so we don't get a massive bill in the door on Christmas day.
i sent an invoice the same day as the work is done, liv usually has one put together sent to me and i forward it on whatsapp before leaving, i have the maps, worked area time and date started and finished, 1st name. i lost the rest of the information as i lost my phone in the pit and the iphone hadnt backed up in a month
Nothing cleaned, washed down or maintenance done before putting machinery away for the winter, money not collected, if he was working for a contractor he'd be fired within a week. Too lazy to even clean windows in the tractor, he wouldn't last a week. Lucky boy he's working for Daddy.
That baler needs to be changed for next yr and that out farm could do with a bit of tlc and tidying
you should get a hedge cutter phil. you'd have returning customers and would be more work in the winter months rather than the summer.
His cousin has hedgecutters, he doesn't want to step on his toes.
@@feirmfactor859yes exactly. But I do think he should push in a different direction. Stone picking work seems limited. Tillage or silage pit for hire seems limited. It's hard to know where to go because every few years things change anyway
@kieranosullivan02 very true. No peace of mind investing in farming at the minute.
Well Phil , by no means have you put any of that machinery away clean, absolutely dreadful way to look after such expensive machinery, there’s many farms over here that you would end up being shown the door, come on Phil put some effort into looking after your machinery
It’s not always easy to find the time on a mixed farm it’s just get it unhitched and get the rest machine on
What flavour rice cakes do you eat
Chocolate
I’d call to the door! And ask for it, there is always the legal route which if your a registered contractor you will get it that way! Been honest as a fellow TH-camr I wouldn’t talk about the business side to much it can ruffle the feathers the wrong way and can meet a stone wall, I’m sure father Phil has the wisdom answers to getting paid 👍
Lads that don't pay would only love that as you're in the wrong then and face criminal charges
We had someone who just sent a bill, they did the job in July. Twice sent him the email address!!!
Our contractor can be two years in sending a bill. The last two times Ive just went to his house and paid him. This year is no different. No bill yet for slurry, mowing and baling.
I'd put a timber board under all them tyres on machines that you parked. The milled peat on the floor is acidic which is not good for the life of the tyres.
I wouldn’t have talked about people owning you money ! Instead I would have got into the car and payed them a visit first
How do you know he didn't.
He talked about someone owing him money he didn’t name and shame maybe enough people know about that person in fairness he should of named and shamed him machines don’t run on oxygen and the banks don’t care who owes you what when it comes too making repayments
@@chriscoss28 i wouldn't agree with naming people on social media, I would just cut my losses and move on and try to advise other contractors in my circle about said people. U can only be done the once by the same person.
Yo Phil, the slat shead that ya don't use put the 590 ,8011 ect in them be a great job , keep up the good work
Phil, in both Business and Personal, remember that people will only treat you the way you allow them to treat you.
Next time you deal with a difficult person - set clear boundaries and make clear your rules for engagement.