FRANK ZAPPA SON OF MR. GREEN GENES (reaction)
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- Check out Sight After Dark reacting to "Son of Mr. Green Genes" by Frank Zappa
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Oh man I have to talk about how this song changed my life. Ok so I’m 33 to just give a feeling of the music I grew up with, and I’m from Arkansas. I was forced to play piano as a kid and hated it, was always naturally tuned towards wanting to play drums. Fast forward through a childhood where I was a music and sport obsessive and in early high school I was in orchestra playing the cello and also baseball, soccer, and track so my schedules were packed. I bought hot rats and gave it a first time listen coming home from baseball practice and this song hit me so hard as a combination of everything I loved about what music says and speaks in its own voice that I felt I had to discard everything I did extracurricular level and dedicate it all to music. I dropped all my athletic commitments and spent my fee time that wasn’t hanging with the homies (naturally) to just understanding and trying to play this type of music. It got me a scholarship and playing gigs with my buddies through our university years. This song literally stamped an impact on my life
Amazing! Had you been listening to Frank before? Or was that the first you heard him?
@@SightAfterDark i first listened to frank when i was about 20 so that would have been 2008, but first heard him aroudn 2000 just a random track. but ive accumulated about 100 zappa records in my collection
This is such a cool story. Apart from the fact you 'made it' playing music, the fact that someone so (relatively) young is buying and loving Zappa music makes me very happy.
Thank you whoever asked for this.
"Son of Mr. Green Genes" is an instrumental re-arrangement of the much shorter song "Mr. Green Genes" from the Mothers' album Uncle Meat.
Thanks for the info Richie!
They're getting close to my favorite song on this album, and maybe my favorite song of all Zappa, The Gumbo Variations.
@Zolar Czakl Agreed. I think I may have put in a request for The Gumbo Variations some time ago. Can't find a Zappa version of Gumbo but I think they did gumbo variations from a Zappa Plays Zappa show if I'm not mistaken.
@Zolar Czakl Wait a minute, I know you (I think). Did we used to trade Zappa boots by mail before there was a web? Were you on the Zappa IRC board? You're a founding Zappateer, no? I used to trade a lot with Pat Buzby. If memory serves I sent him an early boot (low gen) of that Zappa - Brest, France show, among many others, In the 80s.
@Zolar Czakl ah. I did see the ZPZ Eat that Question. So they didn't do the gumbo variations from Zappa, or his son. I remembered the Sheila Gonzalez sax work and had mixed up the two compositions. Great! Please, some other patron, request that! I already have a couple of requests in that if they do them will take a couple of months.
Gumbo Variations is one of my all time favorites.
This is FZ's musical autobiography. The original song was Mr. Green Genes, same melody, but kind of dour and lyrically, it was specifically directed at his dad. So, if you do the math, Son of Mr. GG is Frank. Of the 6 great songs on this album, this one is my favorite. it is just a sweet piece of music delivered so beautifully...thanks to the patron who requested it!
It’s truly beautiful!
I always thought that "Son of" was a reference to horror movies, Son of Dracula, Bride of Frankenstein, etc. Son of Schmilsson is a similar concept. Return of the Son of Shut Up'N Play Yer Guitar doubles down on this idea with the "Return of."
@@gelsol exactly and defenitive.the outcome and aftermath of something is the "son off".
My favorite cut from Hot Rats is Little Umbrellas. So beautiful. A painter might say this fills the frame completely.
OH, really peter? Did you know I performed this on the 185 organ in a concert? What Zappa song have you ever played on an instrument?? let us all know your talent?
And answer this: Tell us all what a phrygian 7 is? When does frank use it in many solos? Point out just two times he played it..
I bought this album with money for my 12th birthday because I liked the cover. My parents wore WTF faces the whole playthrough. 44 years & 300+ albums and bootlegs later...
My parents still wear WTF faces even today when I put on some FZ. :)
😆
I hope someone asks for "It Must Be a Camel". The black sheep of a brilliant album
Its odd but very comforting that track...yeah...go for it
Love it. Leaves me in tears.
It must be a black sheep…. Love it
To me, Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka, and The Grand Wazoo were one of my favorite Zappa phases: the jazz/big band phase.
For perspective? This album was released in 1969. King Crimson released "In The Court Of The Crimson King" in 1969, but by then Zappa had already put out six albums by that point. Two of them double albums.
In the seventies Zappa went through a couple of phases. "One Size Fits All" was kinda the centerpiece for me of his early '70's phase, and then the late '70's was another phase that kinda culminated in "Joe's Garage".
The man covered a LOT of turf over a LOT of time.
Blessings.
Thanks Leo, Blessings!
Hot Rats, Waka Jawaka, and the Grand Wazoon is my favorite FZ playlist, by far! Such incredible music.
This ol gezzer sure appreciats your love of Frank's music , makes me smile. !
You made us smile John, thanks for watching!
Fun fact. Frank and the saxophone player on this album, Ian Underwood, Ruth's Husband at the time, produced Alice coopers fist album, "Pretties For You". Frank also produced Grand funk Railroads 1976 album "Good Singing Good Playing". Frank played lead guitar on the track out to get you. The album wasn't a commercial success, but was critically acclaimed as Grand Funks best album.
Great music history, thanks Rhee!
@Zolar Czakl Thanx. I did not know that, Love new Frank facts. After 45 years of being a "Frank freak" (1st heard Nanook rubs it in 75) he never ceases to amaze me.Have you seen or heard this, it was stuck in at the end of the Uncle Meat film when Frank released it on VHS in 83:~ th-cam.com/video/CkCYJ6FK0T4/w-d-xo.html
Still my favourite Zappa album. I bought this not long after it came out and it was my first Zappa album so I have know it longer than any other. It still never disapppoints
This is still one of my favorite FZ pieces. As fresh and listenable now as it was 50 years ago.
First heard Hot Rats in about 1973 and immediately thought it was a classic.It still is a classic here in 2021. A masterpiece.
What an incredible piece - the way he wrote all of those arrangements to interact with his guitar solo is simply brilliant. You guys really need to hear all of "Hot Rats" as it contains some of his best compositions.
I find this Zappa's most symphonic piece, more so even than his traditional orchestral pieces. Only whereas a symphony combines variations on a couple themes per movement, here thirteen movements combine countless texture and thematic variations on one complete song. Of course there is some improv in the guitar solo, but it is clear that all the textural interplay is written and yet comes across as spontaneous, like fused brains. Try listening to the bass _e.g._ throughout and how it anticipates and echoes other instruments. I am amazed at the throwaway bits where an instrument or more comes in for a couple of bars and is never heard from again: thanks for a few seconds, back to the airport. These are a bit like the airbrushed highlights on Figaro in Disney's Pinnochio; one would not miss them if they weren't there, but they add so much. Also notice that the final movement is not like the first or second but reminds you of them and brings it all home. So complex and meticulous but can be enjoyed at the simplest of all levels as something that just cranks.
The sax player was Ian Underwood. He was the only survivor from the Mothers after the break up. In fact he played all saxes and also all keyboards on the album and Frank acknowledged Ian's major contribution to the album.
Shout out to Ian! What a talent!
No one suggested "Peaches En Regalia" yet - how strange. This was after the first Mothers band, and before the Billy The Mountain slapstick band. - It's his 2nd solo album
This whole album needs review because there are no fillers here...all strong contenders..Gumbo variations is 12 minutes...but it must be a camel will stretch your mind...there are some percussive overlays that leap out at points to cause a little question.
Also classic Zappa of releasing a track with ultimate 70s bass while it’s still the 60s
Lol right
Great reaction. You're patrons keep finding awesome tracks. This album weasels ripped my flesh, and lumpy gravy, we're a big part of my teen years. Love watching you guys reacting to the music I grew up with. Can't wait for the next one.👍👍✌️❤️😃
Thanks so much William!
This song/album made Frank noticed by jazz folks at the time. Downbeat Magazine voted it album of the year 1969 i think. Those people must have been confused when he followed it up with Flo and Eddie!
I remember that. I was a jazz-head and read Downbeat religiously. That's how I found Frank. I remember also them panning the Flo and Eddie group.
One of Frank's best guitar solos.... the original version of this from Uncle Meat is definitely worth listening to ... great vocals and lyrics... Uncle Meat is a double album stuffed full of great things.. another favourite from Uncle Meat is "The Air"
Superb choice. What superlatives can I say about mr Zappa that hasn’t already been said before
When I was 15 the bloke up the road used to lend me his records
This was the one that really got me into Zappa. Great album. Cheers from Tassie !!
Love this track. So easy on the ear yet with all the complexity of composition needed to keep me interested. Great reaction too.
Thanks Mark!
Bravo, beautiful Zappa's piece ......... suggests a stampede among the stalls of an oriental kasbah, where every now and then there are openings from which you can see wide landscapes, and then plunge back into the escape ........... evocative and cinematic as few ........
We just went on a visual trip! Thanks Germano!
This is such a great album & the one that made me a Zappa fan(atic) - Check out the Gumbo Variations!
Ian Underwood.... who became the Husband of Ruth Komanoff in this same year (1969) plays sax, flute, and all clarinets and keyboards on this album, Frank plays all Guitars and Bass on 2 songs, the drummer is Paul Humphrey on this song and the bassplayer on the rest is Max Bennet except for Peaches en Regalia which is Shuggie Otis. Lowell George is playing rythym guitar on one song, but he isn't credited, so... I forget which song it is, probably Willie the Pimp.
Thanks for the info Chris!
A little history. Back in the '50s was a show called Howdy Doody. A famous clown, Clarabell was played by Bob Keeshan. Bob later had the show Captain Kangaroo. (smoking cigarettes and watching Captain Kangaroo) (Flowers on the Wall by the Statler Bros) Captain Kangaroo had a side kick by the name of Mr. Green Jeans. Hugh Brannum was his name. He also was a composer and arranger.
I grew up watching Captain Kangaroo and Mr. Green Jeans. They were much more fun than Mr. Rogers.
One of my all time favorites that guitar just keeps going
For real
I really like how both of you talked about Frank talking through his guitar and his phrasing and articulation resembles how he speaks and gestures. It's heartwarming to listen to his playing from that perspective.
Thanks so much ♥️!
One strong point about all the music you review... Loud Stereo vs Headphones. As musicians you know how much you are missing. To feel the music helps listening to it. Notes you can feel with your body really adds to the experience. The Bass Riffs in this song really shine when they are shaking the walls in your house.
If they listen on head phones they should not listen on those heavy bass phones...you must have a good balance of tweeter/mid range and woofer...Zappa was recording in quad or what we call 5.1 in 1972 so a sub woofer will work with albums after 72.....The full range of sounds must be heard...yeah sure sub is visceral and makes your organs bleed but it overcomes the full spectrum...it is like seeing with all red or purple...
@@mikedemike5393 Way-Back: I owned a Maranz Quad receiver... Deep Blue Dial, sound was fantastic. Camarillo Brillo, her Stereo was 4-Way...
The last minute or so of this incredible piece of music always chokes me up. Frank, so knowing, so cynical, so clever, yet at the same time he was capable of writing sublimely beautiful melodies, in which, as time trudges on, I sense something transcendent, and dare I say it, almost spiritual. But of course, he would probably laugh at such a notion.
Someone really needs to suggest ‘Peaches En Regalia’.
Frank is simply the best
Does anyone get this notion, years ago i went back to my old school, the town where I grew up from in primary school , we were all grown up at this point, in our 20s, I couldn't shake this feeling that i had grown up a little bit more, faster somehow, from listening to Zappa for eg and reading, I felt bad for some reason, im moving on, and of course i want those friends to come but, theyre stuck, theyre all stuck in pop world... Anyhow my older brother picked me up that day and played this song so loud in the car and said "here, you just moved on" its over, a part of you died today, but you must develop.... Maybe im not making sense, theres a sadness in growing up and realising it.. Atleast we have grown ups like zappa to reinforce the family
Great perception!
Surprisingly this album was on constant rotation in all the high end fashion shops in London at the time of its release...sort of muzak before they invented that shite....Gombo variations squares free jazz and rock and Zappa showed the way forward...Between him and Miles the bridges were created.
We can see why!
I heard it coming out of a boutique on Piccadilly Circus even in the 80's - I had to stand in the entrance - they played it all!
There was a character on TV once named Mr. Greenjeans. He was on the kids show "Captain Kangaroo", back in the 1960's. I know because I used to watch it. That's why I am the way I am now. I think. Thanks Frank.
Awesome reaction guys, you nailed it as always! Frank the genius strikes again.
Thanks for watching!
Ian Underwood plays all saxes, woodwinds, and keyboards.
There's a really nice vocal performance of this tune on the live CD, The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life. And this Hot Rats performance is also available in Frank's 1987 remixed version which to my ears had a much hotter and rockin' guitar sound.
Thanks Reid!
One of the finest musical productions ever. I still have my original copy when you used to wait in line at the record store the day of anew release.
Nice!
It definitely goes beyond that, but Frank did take from speech patterns in his guitar playing.
“My solos are speech-influenced rhythmically; and harmonically, they're either pentatonic, or poly-scale oriented. And there's the mixolydian mode that I also use a lot…But I'm more interested in melodic things I think the biggest challenge when you go to play a solo is trying to invent a melody on the spot.” -FZ
Oh, the record (1969) pioneered jazz-rock fusion.
We knew it, wow!
Eight months later, I thank you for reviewing the hot vinyl cut rather than the mushy CD cut. There is only one kind of loudspeaker that can do this justice and you have to build them yourself from the 1960s Philips manual.
Back in the mists of time my first inst was the trumpet and was going for a trialout with a new band an when i asked what they where in to the guy just played this album
What a track! What an album!!!
Your training is nearly complete, young Jedi. Soon you will experience the Curse of Magdalena and you will understand that you probably can't play that in public. LOL. I'm enjoying watching you experience FZ as artists yourselves. You remain true to your mission statement. That's rare today.
We’re open to all the training ☺️
I love the versions with lyrics.
Incredible album, early on. As a Canadian, this is what I love about the American spirit: dedicate your life to what you love and you will be loved. Frank wasn't the wealthiest musician of his era, but I say the most important. Like, if I had three wishes, guaranteed one would be to have the mind of Frank Zappa.
Love Zappa. Seen him a and his great bands 8 times live. Please try king crimson. Epitaph. Court of the crimson king
Ruth's husband, Ian Underwood, played all the horns. He and Frank were the only musicians that were on every song on the album.
Woah, that’s amazing!
Late 69, Frank composed this around the time he was offered and declined to play at Woodstock.
In my top 10 for sure
That tone. It's just to die for. Not sure about the specifics on this song but I know he used a half cocked wah peddle alot to get his sound. Love this whole album especially the Gumbo Variations.
All about those tones!
Ian Underwood (yes the ex husband of Ruth) played the saxes and woodwinds and even the organ on the album. The original Mr. Green Genes had the following lyrics.
Eat your greens
Don't forget your beans and celery
Don't forget to bring
Your fake I.D.
Eat a bunch of these
Magnificent
With sauerkraut
Mmmmmmmm
Sauerkraut
Eat a grape, a fig
A crumpet too
You'll pump 'em right through
Do-eee-you
Eat your shoes
Don't forget the strings
And sox
You can even eat the box
You bought 'em in
You can eat the truck
That brought 'em in
Garbage truck
Mmmm mmm moldy
Garbage truck
Eat the truck and driver
And his gloves
Nutritiousness
Deliciousness
Worthlessness
The tempo of the original was also about half of this song.
Cool! Thanks Barry!
Although some sections of this track is quite heavily orchestrated there are only four musicians involved. I guess it started out as a jam over the song Mr Green Genes from the Mothers album Uncle Meat, released six months earlier, in April 1969. And then lots of overdubs were added to the basic track: saxes, clarinets, keyboards (including a pipe organ) and some percussion. The musicians are Frank Zappa, guitar & percussion; Ian Underwood, saxes, clarinets & keyboards, Max Bennett, bass guitar; Paul Humphrey, drums. Hot Rats was released on October 10, 1969. Also released on that date was King Crimson's debut album In the Court of the Crimson King. I was 13 years old and both albums had huge influence on me.
Amazing
Hot Rat was such a great album many nights we pass listening to it while changing the world this music was so different !
Napoleon had the best comment, 'Frank was so far ahead of his time his time still hasn't come yet.'
Well said!
Close. This was Frank's second solo album released in 1969, right after Lumpy Gravy from 1968. The Mothers Of Invention's Ian Underwood was on saxophone.
I am is awesome, thanks James!
Mr Green Jeans was a character on Captain Kangaroo.
Released in Oct. of '69. When I hear this album I always think I hear bits and pieces or influences of it in later groups. In this case I'm hearing Weather Report and possibly ELO. It would be interesting to know which if any groups were influenced by this stuff. Also hearing it again I realize what a really good guitarist Zappa was and also what a great composer. Unlike a lot of rock groups of the time that used the blues or simple chord structures Zappa had much more sophisticated compositions. This stuff was all written out and carefully structured almost like a classical piece.
We’d love to be to hear who was influenced, Frank was like no other, thanks Squidkid!
Just a great bit of music from Frank
This song is a complete journey...
But after the "groove" of minute 6 (as you called it), did you hear that great movement of great breath and wide panoramic opening?
Yes 😌
Frank Zappa's 'Hot Rats' was released in October 1969 on the same day as King Crimson's 'Court of the Crimson King' - what a day that was! So there's something else you should listen to, if you're not already familiar with it. Another monstrously influential album.
We love a double release! Thanks for the tip Keith!
My absolute favorite✌🤘
You should listen to the "original" Mr. Green Genes from Uncle Meat for the lyrics, where he eats a truck and the driver and his shoes. Very funny. I never really got warm with Hot Rats, I must admit, possibly because I know all of the material done better in other guises, like "Peaches En Regalia" on Fillmore East (and so on).. But you are quite right about him setting up standards and trends, as almost always
Seems like you too really are getting what Frank's about!! Seems like you enjoy it more as time goes on!! Ya gotta admit he's the one and only!
Nobody like Frank!
great stuff bought this fresh off the music store rack!
This one is great of course but I also like the one with the singing because is seems mysterious, like what will they say next and how will they say it.
I think this is my favorite Zappa song
This & the other albums from this period, the Grand Wazoo & Waka/Jawaka, must have seriously confused the radio programmers. Frank tells it when he'd go to stations to do interviews, these instrumental LPs would be in the 'not to be played on air' bins. Such a travesty.
Damn
great track! Have you done Penguin in Bondage yet?
Nope!
I watched Captain kangaroo as a child. No memory of it, except for Mr. Green Jeans
Great reaction folks!
Thank you James!
Hot Rats released October 1969. Foreshadowing the 70s.
All the woodwinds are overdubbed by Ian Underwood who also does the Piano
Let's add to that for the kids, Ian was Ruth's husband, she married him after they met working for Frank. Her maiden name was Komanoff. After they broke up, she remarried, left the music world, and raised two kids, both of whom are classical musicians.
If you really want to hear her story with FZ, there is an amazing YT video which I have linked below, that has Humphrey, Thompson, Bozzio, Wackerman, and Ruth discussing HOW they got into the band. Almost two hours, but man they tell some awesome stories!
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Wow, great info, thanks guys!
@@Peter-K hey I’m too young to not be one of the kids!
@@Mime59100 I was referring to the SAD kids, but you knew that ;-)
Hot Rats (1969) by Frank Zappa and the more renown Bitches Brew (1970) by Miles Davis are the first two albums that managed to musically create what was then a new musical concept by joining jazz with rock. These are the steps from where fusion was born.
Beginners!! They'll be dangerous if they learn another chord.
Yep, totally identifiable guitarism. Aaaall Frank. His sound, his playing. Hymn, y'all. I love the sorta triumphant, fanfare-ish quality at first-I thought-...waited for a 'Peaches en Regalia type motif; then it goes darker, dissonant, not just minors eventually. Back and forth. Kewl, maaan. Cheers SAD, Happy Monday.lol ;>D
p.s. took the heavy lids as a cue, reached for my edibles...iou. lmaooooowheeee........eeeeeeee.....
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
My band played this song back in the 1972 😎👍🙏🎶♥️
Your band was cool then!
This was the first album I ever bought...I think it was 68' I believe....from the old "Hot Rats" album...ah yes Mister Green Genes's son"Ha,ha...Frank in excellent form as usual...he rosk out with the best of em...saw him live in 71'....Thanks guys
Glad you enjoyed enjoyed David, thanks for watching!
@@SightAfterDark I sure did,sure did....Ha,ha,ha
Boy this man sure new how to Rosk and rollsd....Ha,ha
Frank would have loved being called a Leg End.
He is
Just wait until you meet MISTER Green Genes! "With Sauerkraut...mmmmmm-hmmm-mmm..."
And then you can Pump them all through. Magnificent.
How about reacting to ( city of tiny lights) by the aforementioned mr Zappa of course
That’s all up to our wonderful patrons!
Great song with guitarist extraordinaire and Zappa discovery Adrian Belew on vocals!
That's called a swish cymbal and it was Ian on sax
Thanks Mark!
Hot rats is a great album !
Sounds like it!
This whole album is essential. Peaches en Regalia or bust.
Great song great reaction. If you love saxophone try we are not alone. Or gumbo variations.
Thanks!
Please Please PLEASE…go listen to the “Hot Rats Sessions”
A masterclass on brilliance.
Directly from my Heart to You (Little Richard cover) is gut wrenchingly soulful . Sooooo many tasty bit, a true glimpse into the genius of Zappa.
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Thanks for this! You know, this album and the one following--Chunga's Revenge--were controversial among Frank's fans at the time for his having (here) begun a shift toward a more guitar-driven "rock 'n roll" approach and attitude, a move completed with C's Revenge where the brass are no longer part of the sound at all--a move James Brown made at almost the exact same time, for what that's worth. Anyway, this and Chunga's really pissed off a lot of Frank's audience who felt he'd "sold out" in order to cash in that rock 'n roll dollar. Not entirely untrue, imo, but I find this and the subsequent band (the last one officially named "The Mothers of Invention") to be brilliant, nonetheless. I didn't begin seeing them until the mid-70s, a few years after this period and have ALWAYS regretted missing these bands. Again, thanks for this.
Frank can do no wrong in our eyes! Thanks for watching!
This is juicy. I've had three glasses of wine.
Niiiiice
I like "Wille the Pimp"! with Captain Beefheart
I've worked out to this.
I don't think this one has the lyrics you have to get it off to album Uncle Meat cuz they are some of the classic Zappa type fun lyrics of all time it might not be a very long song I'll from that album but you've got to hear this stuff will just crack you up also the funny thing is a lot of people thought that Frank Zappa what was the actual son of mr. Green jeans and mr. Green jeans was the sidekick of Captain Kangaroo which was a kid show way back in the late 50s early 60s he was a real tall fella who wore overalls and out of straw hat and he was a great character but yeah that's what everybody thought alright Brooklyn Heights
Hugh Brannum was his name. He was also a composer and arranger.
1969 FZ totally non mainstream and fringy.
Yup
Ian Underwood on all saxes...!
Ear your greens, don't forget the beans and celery, don't forget to bring your fake id..
All one needs!
ZAPPA, SINISTER FOOTWEAR,
THEM or US album, IF YOU LIKE FAT GUITAR, YOU'LL LIKE!! 😎
You should listen to the Paris 1968 version. So much funkier and better, imo.
I know it's not a popular view but I prefer the UMRK digital remix!
We respect your opinion!
One of those rare albums without a single bad track. I agree the the later remixed album doesn’t sound as good to my ears. The band who made this album with Frank were assembled for this album and only played about six gigs together. It’s a magical ensemble with world class performances. Miss Frank so much
1969
Great drumming track that...virtually faultless fills...I believe Frank can rewire your neurons and I use to not listen to Frank sometimes before work because i become allergic to shit from people..Not aggressive but hostile to fuckwit.
This was made on a proto 16 track recorder in 1969 so motown were still 2 track..Ian Underwood..ruths husband on sax.
Great take!
he IS talking to you