dRoGo haD a HorSE iN hIM Part 1 here, because I said there'd be a link on the comments and I'm not some kind of stinking liar: th-cam.com/video/YqMaDP0H1wI/w-d-xo.html You may have noticed that I kind of completely ignored the comet in this video. This is because most of my theorising in this series has been based on the precedents established elsewhere in the series, and there's nothing really of this sort to latch on to for the comet. Hopefully I should be able to address it a little in the follow-up focusing on Mirri's motivations. Thanks for watching friendos.
Love your channel man, great content. I want to see you play some more CK 2! I recently posted an original short story, you should check it out and lemme know your thoughts/critisim. th-cam.com/video/MXGN0ycWGnU/w-d-xo.html
Been watching your videos since your first Pisstake, and only just watched this one - but I wanted to let you know that I get the 'Bill' joke! Fellow Aussie here that saw that show on BBC and I remembered the theme song! Just wanted to pop this in here 3 years late...
I like the "horse's soul goes into Drogo" perspective because there's a cruel irony to it. By putting Drogo's horse's soul into Drogo, she'd effectively be making a horse ride a khal. Revenge for Mirri's people perhaps?
Honestly, the Drogo being a horse soul in a Drogo body is weirdly fitting and definitely matches his behaviour. Nice spot. I'm still going to call you the man who thought Drogo was a horse.
@@Glidus here to say 3 years later and indeed… you have made your mark in the pantheon of X-character-is-a-horse theories. I’ve informally traced its appearance in videos across Alt Shift X to ZZZ / from Glidus to Glimbus.
@@viviandarkbloom1447 i was watching this blind because it showed up in my recommended and the horse part caught me so off guard i had to pause the video to laugh for a good bit before looking at the comments im glad i finally know where it came from
@@Glidus I returned to this video on a whim and remembered I made this comment. It's good to see you have evolved into the spawner of the Westerosi Horse Cinematic Universe.
I have never thought or heard about this Horse theory. It makes me wonder, is Danny able to ride Drogo because that dragon has a bit of a horse in him? Perhaps that is the reason the dragon is biggest of the three? Drogo got a bit extra, not just kingsblood/soul, but vitality of a horse? Also, having a bit of horse in him, he might accept a rider easier. I like this theory, good idea.
targaryens are dragon types so fire is not very effective but for a time mirri maz duur used skill swap or entrainment and gave her the ability flash fire
I think people look into the "Rhaego was dead for years" line. It comes at the end of another character's description of how the corpse looked to Dany, right after "he was filled with greyworms." I think it's more of a metaphorical comparison to an old corpse than actually saying it had somehow been dead for years.
Remember though that Dany immediately after her stillbirth keeps asking to 'give me my...' and when expected that she'd ask for her baby, she instead eventually asks for a dragon egg, and when given (I think it was Rhaegal's egg? I think it was the green one), she can feel it writhing with life inside. It baffles me that isn't mentioned in the video at all. At least one dragon was currently alive at that point in the story when they were previously calcified. It seemed very straightforward that Rhaego's life paid for Rhaegal's. It makes the 'dead for years' thing make sense: the fetus of a dragon inside the egg was scaled with wings and a tail and had been dead for years.
@@IeremosI think people look too closely at the names. Viserion is the quintessential baby boy of her three dragons. It would make sense that her baby paid for the baby. Her warrior paid for the warrior. And the wild middle child that’s always forgotten paid for the green middle child that’s always forgotten.
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I think you're close, but I have trouble buying the whole thing with keeping people souls. I also think that when Miiri said you won't hear me scream, the intent was that her ovulating was some type of protection intended for herself to protect her from the flames but somehow Dany managed to steal this protection. You're definitely on the right path here, but I think there are a few leaps that I'm not quite willing to make. I do think that the horse soul was in drogos body and this makes the most sense when you consider what miri's plan was initially. Unless she's totally prophetic in a way that we have never seen in the story thus far, she wouldn't know that she would have Dany and her baby entering the tent during the ritual. She expressly forbid them from entering, so her plan must have been complete with the tools she went in the tent with initially. I could see miri's life paying for one of the dragons, and maybe even drogos and rhaegal's but viscerys seems like way too much of a stretch time-wise in my opinion. Great video though, this is probably the closest theory on this subject to something that sounds plausible, but I still feel like we're missing something.
Hey that’s all good and well but if Rhaego “had been dead for years” couldn’t that just mean that the egg turned to stone turned to egg was also “dead for many years”? That could mean something
Everything you said about the miracle ritual makes sense...the horse's lifeforce in Drogo is now widely accepted based on his vegetative state alone, being lead, fleas, etc makes it even a stronger case. And the king's blood just clicks, especially considering the botched ritual at Summerhall.
Interesting idea, huge implications. According to this theory, you steal souls by intentionally deciding to end a life. Therefore, mass murderers would carry lots of souls. Or do they fade after a time? Do assassins carry the souls of the people they killed, or do the souls go to the person who decided to hire the assassin? Has Tyrion Elia's soul? How many times can a single soul be transfered? Are these souls conscious? Are murdered/assassinated people forced to follow the person who killed them/had them killed around until those themselfes are murdered/assassinated, repeating the same cycle over and over until the carrier dies of natural causes/has a real accident/commits suicide?
A Khal like Drogo killed thousands no doubt. Maybe it's specifically Royal Souls, Viserys and Rhaego, heirs of the Targaryens, and Khal Drogo himself. If he's only killed random villagers, merchants, and whatnot, maybe those souls wouldn't work for such a ritual.
I think souls are not stored, but offered. You don't keep it on your body, you have a sort of "soul bank account" with the supernatural, which seems to transcend gods. Viserys was sacrificed in the Mother of Mountains, Rhaego was sacrificed at the tent, Mirri was literally burnt at the stake. So unless the assassins kill with religious intent and procedure, they don't carry any souls with them. That, plus the power of royal blood and the whole "power resides where men think it resides" reminds me a lot of the theory that the weirwoods are a network of deceased souls and capable of altering the world. Royal blood has power because most people who lived and died think it has power. Ritual sacrifice gives power because most people inside the hive mind think it gives power. And souls are transfered based on the hive mind's belief that they can be. And given that some people can access that hive mind, maybe ownership is associated with that. If the supernatural senses that you think you own the souls, you do.
In my own head-canon Jorah's belief in and love for Dany also has something to do with it all. The same way Thoros's belief in Beric stops him from dying. Like GRRM said its a unique event, so maybe all of those things happening at once + the meteor needed to happen. I do wonder how dragons are traditionally hatched though, and wouldn't be surprised if fire and blood are both required.
One problem. The sole of viserys went into Dany. Before he died Dany didn't care about invading Westeros and wanted to go home. Once he died, she gained his ambitions. After the dragons were born, she looks for a home again. Or Dany's brain was being messed with by Quaithe.
It's been 4 years so let's go I wanna know! because like. what sweet revenge is this, save Dany's life and give her flying nukes? doesn't check out man
That thing with a horse is actually surprisingly plausible - the rest I am not sure about. It's more likely Rheago was just a stillborn baby, or Mirri performed some additional magical shit to kill him to get back at Daenerys. OR the baby couldn't bear the presence of this sort of ritual (we know that at least in Asshai, a city dedicated to this sort of freaky shit, there are no children and noone knows why) and died, giving its life to dragons (with dragon life not being equal to a human one). Mirri's death ensured Dany's survival. Or maybe Daenerys saved only herself by killing Mirri, and dragons just responded to the presence of this type of magic. Either way, the mere presence of this sort of magic is powerful in and on itself.
I'm watching this, and I'm like-- Is this really something people argue about? It seemed incredibly straightforward to me, especially when Mirri said that Rhaego was a scaled thing with wings and a tail that had been dead for hundreds of years, and when post-birth Dany asks to hold a dragon egg instead of asking for her baby, and can feel the dragon writhing inside the egg. This isn't as convoluted as people seem to make this out to be. Drogo, Rhaego, and Mirri paid for the lives of Drogon, Viseryon, and Rhaegal. It's just that the blood magic took like a full day to be completed, ending at the funeral pyre. Drogo's half-existence can be explained by the exchange of life force of one of the dead dragons, or from the horse. EDIT: And I also figure Dany surviving the fire is probably more to do with appeasing the Lord of Light tbh. It's unrelated to the exchange. Magic happens beyond life/death exchanges in the show.
Miri didn't need to have a motivation for birthing the dragons. When she died the life forced of Drogo, Rhaego, and Viserys went to Dany. And Dany gave birth to the dragons.
Drogo having the horse's soul in him actually works so well. Especially with the line that he would walk if you would lead him. There's a wonderful irony because the Dothraki revere horses as these noble wild animals yet entering Drogo's body proves how docile the Dothraki have made them
I went back and watched these early videos from before I discovered the premium content from Glidus! Good stuff! What I don’t understand about the Dany not fireproof thing is why in Dance she remarks in her POV about how “it was the same as it had been before, although her hair burnt off the flames hadn’t touched her..” or something like that. Blisters are mentioned later and people use that as a source of why she’s not immune to fire… but you can get blisters from friction. I’d argue most of the time blisters are mentioned it’s from friction- and you call burns, burns when the fire is too hot. Also- George saying “Targaryen’s aren’t fireproof” is completely true. They aren’t, he didn’t say “DaNy IsNt FiRePrOoF” thanks for coming to my Ted talk
Here's a comment for the quick-flash wall-of-text slides. These videos are fantastic and I appreciate your work very much. Thanks from the other side of the world.
Great theory and I am so happy you‘re going to address the motivations issue in your next video! I have to say I‘m not super sure on the whole „storing of souls“ bit, I feel like there isn‘t really enough evidence to definitively say whether or not that‘s actually a thing, but I strongly agree on the idea that the horse‘s life was the one that went into Drogo. In either case, great video, hilarious editing and please hurry up with part 3. There better be some Dornish conspiracy involved ;)
Well, I don't really want to push GRRM ideas from outside of the series, but the guy clearly likes thinking of lives (spirits, souls, lifeforce, whatever term you like) being continued or carried on or held on to through memories, pain, experiences, stories. Even in this series he flirts with the idea. So I was careful not to specify whether the "souls" I was talking about were physical or spiritual or symbolic in nature, because at least from what I've read, it's all the same to our author. But that's just one crackpot's interpretation of another crackpot's crazy stories. Everything in this video is just me trying to unpack George's logic, really. Keyword: trying. As for the Dornish conspiracy, isn't it obvious? The Quentyn Martell we know is an imposter. The real Dornish prince was burnt on Drogo's funeral pyre. #getwoke
I mean I honestly could see yours being the true explanation, you‘ve clearly put a lot of thought in this. When I think of transferring lifeforce it makes think of warging, which might not be the same thing but it makes for a good comparison. In warging there is the possibility of a single body (in this case Mirri‘s) possessing multiple „souls“ or „spirits“ (like when Bran wargs poor Hodor). There isn‘t however a way to „attract“ someone else‘s soul to you as Mirri would have done according to your theory and also there isn‘t really a way of „commanding“ a sole to go to a specific recipient. Again, it might be a completely different process from warging entirely but that‘s why I said there isn‘t enough evidence in the text to confirm or deny the theory at this point in time. I still really like it though and definitely find it plausible. I have a strong feeling George did have a system like yours in mind when he wrote that final Dany AGOT chapter and I think you might be on the right track. It‘ll be interesting to see if he ever reveals more about the whole „death pays for life“ blood magic ritual in any future books or if he decides to keep it ambiguous. Anyway thanks for responding, it‘s always great to chat about ASOIAF with someone who knows their stuff :)
Great reply. I wasn't going to state the connection for a while but yeah, the similarities with warging are definitely there. I kind of toyed around with talking about it in Part 1, but thought that would distract way too much from the core subject. Basically I noticed that Rorge and Biter kind of take on the traits of Chiswyck and Weese, the deaths that paid for their lives. I can't remember the details and it's currently way past my bedtime, but in summary the idea was that this "soul possession" kind of does act as a blending of consciousness, the same as warging does as laid out by Varamyr (which is why I included him in that little "things to come" bit at the end). Notice how Mirri seems really headstrong and brave and fearless when facing her own death, but when the fires sweep over her (read: the fire magic begins) she loses her resolve. Now this might seem like a normal sequence of events for someone burning burnt alive, but if we're trying to think like cooky old George, it could also mean that she has lost the part of her mind that was fearless and resilient - the part of her mind that was Drogo. And I reckon if there *were* a way to "attract" or "command" someone's soul or whatever, Mirri Maz Duur would be the one to know how to do it, right? I don't think we'll ever get a fully clear answer on this stuff. George loves his little mysteries, and we fans love trying to solve them. It would ruin a lot of the fun if he just told us the way he thought about it. Trying to reverse engineer this was so much fun, I'm perfectly happy if people come along and think it sounds absurd :) I just like exchanging ideas about my favourite story.
Sorry I’m new and just getting there- first we must go back- plausible way..? “There must be 3heads” here it all day..”Rhaegars prophecy “ From HotD Daemon sings a song in High Valerian to Vermithor end of season 1 that explains how it works and that blood was paid by ancestor transfer spirit to the coexist in dragon and becomes blood of the dragon they bind with a rider for the 3 heads….bloodline Velarian Binding magic 🪄 -ancestor=1/3, -dragon itself 2/3, -Rider=3/3 But still this is 100% special circumstances - via Danny getting the dragon rider X gene and a dragon hatcher X gene also that Dreamfyre is probably where the clutch of three eggs given to Danny -Mirris “crafts”(she could have facilitated all three thru her this unique ritual) Mirris motives could relate with Maestro Marwyns connection with her, glass candles, knowledge of Danny and her eggs….glass candles and Quathe(?) just for fun add the comet… We’ve got Mirri , Marwym, Quathe, Danny, the eggs the lives to give/pay for the dragons lives, and add the comet just for fun.. as a priestess they could have facilitated and died for this cause(s) I’m over my head I know and because I haven’t heard anything about binding to dragon eggs but they could have ancestral spirit passed down from ancestor (whoever OG was in old Valerya)sacrificed for (read the lullaby?) Dreamfyre bloodlines 1-passed ancestral by blood paid from ancestor could be in all three eggs (?) So •Ancestor (blood already paid) either already in egg or all 3 eggs =1 of 3 heads •Life to dragons =fire magic - Danny’s kiss /kohl death, or/in addition to shadow binding 2 of 3 heads {gap in knowledge for specific people times in this theory for sure} Rider dragon always is 1/1- so makes one complete bind as rider dragon ratio 1/1, Drogon and Danny now have the magic 3/3 Raegal and viserys dragons have 2 of 3-ready -but yet to bond with riders for the 3/3 combo win Mirris crafts in shadow binding, fire binding other (?) Her song like a dragon binder horn *kills who uses it-=Mirris death Or Danny could use horn in near future herself and not die… This doesn’t help the math I’m a three body problem state here so yeah it’s just thoughts more than theory Motivation? Actual self sacrifice of herself to save the world 😅 I’m so sorry about all spelling errors I’m sorry for everything 😢😅
The argument seems to be that Mirri birthing the dragons is incoherent with her motivations as the dragons are clearly a good thing, and she clearly wanted revenge against the Dothraki. But what if Mirri in her final moments saw that she could do this dragon soul swap, and foresaw that it would doom the Dothraki in a long term kind of way? We already know that the dragons are wild, and there is a lot of dark foreshadowing about them, so maybe the idea is that sooner or later their appetite and might will lead to them like annihilating the Dothraki (ocean of flames, grilled horse dinner kind of situation). This also explains why Mirri gives her life for Danny, it's not a move against Danny, but against the Dothraki. Idk seems kind of Grrmy to have a dragon genocide, deeply affecting Danny. And, assuming Mirri saw potential to bring balance or whatever in Danny, giving her dragons purposely as a last service to the world or whatever. In the dragon show last seasons the dragons were like military assets, kind of disregarding magic and darkness etc. Dothtaki were just a never ending military force. So maybe magic atomic lizard dragons and dead dothraki fit the narrative better. Idk.
I know why the horse worked on drogo, its because the dothraki are almost half horse in a way, their entire lifestyle revolves around them, so the horse would be compatible
Cool! I wonder if this works in the Breaking Bad franchise! *shoots Howard* C'mon two pink lines!! C'mon two pink lines... 😀☹😬🤔 You know what? I think I'll check back in later...
Wait, if Drogo had Viserys' soul after he killed him does that mean everyone keeps the souls of the people they kill? Then what about all the other people Drogo killed?
Honestly, the only reason I could see for Mirri to give the life force to the dragons would be for revenge. Unleash three uncontrolled dragons on the Dothraki, to finally give them an enemy they can't run down on their horses. And Daenerys surviving was either an unintended side effect she never thought about, or we could even go so far as to say that Dany specifically sacrificed her together with three other souls so she made it happen herself; Mirri just didn't expect Dany to literally throw herself into the ritual and take control of the dragons in the first place.
i always felt it was raego for drogo (the horse was a red herring for danny), then raego/drogo, mirri and dany herself for the dragons. All three of those lives taken by dany with intent right before or during the pyre
Something's up in Asshai probably. Quaithe keeps guiding Daenerys and is probably the one who is behind all the "wake the dragon" dreams Daenerys has (as she is for the ones she has afterwards). Maester Marwyn has studied in Asshai and he knew Mirri Maaz Duur (probably in Asshai as well) so yeah, the Asshai'i are behind it all. They want dragons and who knows why (well, maybe it's for the Long Night stuff, the Asshai'i seem to have known the first Long Night).
Hey dude, again a fantastic video. Ice and Fire tinfoil content like that are really jewls on youtube and that theory actually makes sense :D really helps with the waiting for wow.... i havent read the world of ice and fire, but i always thought it was so weird, that jorah asks danny like 5 times if she would flee to asshai with him. the shadowbinders might have some connections with mirri, quaithe and jorah, but i havent really an idea what their scheme on all this is.... oh and btw youre ck2 video was probably the best ck2 vid i ever saw xD i love that game, but watching it on youtube is fucking boring... laughed so hard i almost pissed my pants. have a great time and greetings from germany
Besten Dank! Mein Deutsch ist heutzutage schlecht (Ich habe auch einen schrecklichen Akzent), aber ich erinnere mich noch an einige. Ich denke. Yeah Jorah's obsession mit Asshai in the first book is really strange. Some people, myself included, think it has something to do with trying to hatch the dragons - while Mirri never mentions the shadowbinders by name, she does say she learnt from mages in Asshai (which... yeah, that's the shadowbinders). And Jorah never mentions Asshai again after the dragons hatch. I don't think Jorah and Mirri were on the same "team," but it definitely seems that there were several different parties trying to get those eggs to hatch. I totally agree with you on most of the CK2 videos you find on TH-cam. Just longplays where you're watching the game screen in real time and nothing's happening. The player might say something once every minute, but I just don't have the time or the attention span for that. If you haven't seen it before, I recommend looking up Long Game Short - it's a great channel which basically uploads highlight reels of Paradox longplays. I like to think I'm a pretty good editor, but man, that guy is an absolute champ. Cheers for finding me and sticking around ;)
If intent is required though, then the baby needs to be disregarded entirely because Mirri Maz Duur didn't intend to kill Rhaego. I agree that she did intend to bring Drogo "back to life" by putting a horse soul in him, but Rhaego was never meant to be in the tent. If Danny hadn't been brought into the tent against her will, Rhaego would have lived.
wait, so you are saying that when someone kills someone else their life essence is stored on them? so most warriors are carrying a butload of souls like in dark souls? and when somebody kills them they get to steal all their souls?
It seems like GRRM might have alluded to an infertility storyline (that D&D began to foreshadow and then forgot about, because Hacks) - if that was going to be the case, maybe Mirri traded the lives of Danny's would-be unborn children for the birth of her dragons.
I keep coming back to this video and the same thing keeps coming back to me, why would Miri want the dragons to be born, as far as I can tell she hated war and the death of innocents, and 3 dragons are essentially 3 nukes. It just doesn’t make sense to me that Miri would want the dragons to exist or Daenerys to live. Great video though
The birth of the dragons is such a monumental act of magic with such a great impact on the series. As they seem to be the counterbalance to the white walkers, an extinction event, I thought the dragons might be the work of the Red God. Might we see the same intervention in Thoros' sudden resurrection abilities, to help the cause of the living? And Mel's enhanced magic? Do their feats follow the same law of blood-magic?
If the dragons are the work of the red god, the analogue for the walkers would mean they're the work of the old gods, which many people already thing. If Mirri orchestrated the return of dragons, did Bloodraven orchestrate the return of the Others? We know through Craster giving the Others his children that it most likely takes a human life to create an Other (obviously). So does it also take a human life to create a dragon? Or, at least, awaken one? If I ever manage to continue this series, it will be about how Thoros and Beric and Melisandre and so on fit into the framework laid out here. Maybe I'll need to look at Bloodraven too...
Interesting that three sets of kingsblood (Viserys, Drogo, Rheago) is what brings about the birth of dragons, since it looks as if it's going to happen again. Marwyn is heading towards Dany with three sets of kingsblood. The Cinnamon Wind appears in Qarth in A Clash of Kings and has the only captain who is willing to speak to Dany and give her information. He then tells her he's not sailing straight to Westeros, he won't be there for a year or more but less than a year later he is in Braavos and about to sail to Oldtown. Firstly, what a coincidence the one guy who was willing to see Dany also happens to run into the carer of another Targaryen, and also happens to be going the exact same way. Secondly, it's odd that they skip every single western port of Westeros and head straight to Oldtown. Almost as if they were there to pick Samwell up and take him to Oldtown. Upon arriving in Oldtown, Marwyn says the he'll take the "swan ship" that Sam came in, yet no one said that Sam came in that ship, and we know that Marwyn has a working glass candle (also they started working right after the dragons were born, which was around the time that the Cinnamon Wind joined our story), so it's very likely that Marwyn was watching Sam this whole time, and that the Cinnamon Wind is an agent of Marwyn the Mage. Furthermore, the ship has three sets of kingsblood on it. It has Aemon's corpse stuffed in a barrel of blackberry rum (the son and brother and uncle to kings). It has Mance's Son (the son of a king). And, it has Gilly (who could very well be the great-granddaughter of a king, if Craster is Bloodraven's son; which given that Bloodraven was at the Night's Watch for just 13 years before disappearing, roughly the same amount of time it would take for him to have a child, raise it until puberty, and then do a classic Targ incest to make another baby; Craster). Marwyn now having his agents pick up Aemon and Samwell and Gilly and Mance's Son, then distracting Sam with a glass candle, and then fucking off with the ship and those on it makes sense, he was acquiring kingsblood. And why would he want kingsblood, we can't be sure, but he probably wants to do another blood magic ritual... Another? I hear you ask. Yes. Marwyn was name-dropped all the way back in A Game of Thrones, before Euron and before Bloodraven, and three whole books before his one and only appearance thus far. Mirri named him. She says she was taught by him. Now, the coincidence of a woman being taught by a guy who is obsessed with magic and dragons and Targaryens and prophecy being found on the opposite end of the world and happening to run into Daenerys Targaryen, a person who is able to hatch dragons and happens to be carrying three dragon eggs, is insane. I have no doubt in my mind that she was planted there, that she was seeking Daenerys out with the intention of committing this blood ritual and bringing about dragons, and she was sent by her master, Archmaester Marwyn. He started this whole thing, and now he is trying to do it once more. But I'm probably just spoiling Part Three of your this theory series at this point, which I'm sure is gonna come out any day now, so I'll stop here, for glidus's sake. Classic TAM Essay over.
The dragon hatching is not blood magic. George himself classified it as a 'miracle'. It stands to reason the ritual was fueled by life but ultimately didn't pay for Viseryon or Rhaegon's lives. I believe it to be quite simple: Drogo for Drogon, Durr for Rhaegon and ~Dany~(can't be burned, but was ultimately sacrificed) for Viseryon.
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Part 1 here, because I said there'd be a link on the comments and I'm not some kind of stinking liar: th-cam.com/video/YqMaDP0H1wI/w-d-xo.html
You may have noticed that I kind of completely ignored the comet in this video. This is because most of my theorising in this series has been based on the precedents established elsewhere in the series, and there's nothing really of this sort to latch on to for the comet. Hopefully I should be able to address it a little in the follow-up focusing on Mirri's motivations. Thanks for watching friendos.
Love your channel man, great content. I want to see you play some more CK 2!
I recently posted an original short story, you should check it out and lemme know your thoughts/critisim.
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It's been 4 years. Where is the next video you jerk face!
Been watching your videos since your first Pisstake, and only just watched this one - but I wanted to let you know that I get the 'Bill' joke! Fellow Aussie here that saw that show on BBC and I remembered the theme song! Just wanted to pop this in here 3 years late...
14:49 "To be released in 4 years hahaha whoops" you still have a month left lol
“They all have king’s blood”
*Melisandre wants to know your location*
Good to see kaisa is making a comeback
I like the "horse's soul goes into Drogo" perspective because there's a cruel irony to it. By putting Drogo's horse's soul into Drogo, she'd effectively be making a horse ride a khal. Revenge for Mirri's people perhaps?
I remember the "Tyrion is a time-traveling fetus" theory. Those were the days!
what was that theory about?
@@The_Gerry_Man lmfaoooo
Honestly, the Drogo being a horse soul in a Drogo body is weirdly fitting and definitely matches his behaviour. Nice spot.
I'm still going to call you the man who thought Drogo was a horse.
GOOD. If I ever earn myself a reputation, I want it to be as the "drogo is a horse" guy.
@@Glidus here to say 3 years later and indeed… you have made your mark in the pantheon of X-character-is-a-horse theories. I’ve informally traced its appearance in videos across Alt Shift X to ZZZ / from Glidus to Glimbus.
@@viviandarkbloom1447 i was watching this blind because it showed up in my recommended and the horse part caught me so off guard i had to pause the video to laugh for a good bit before looking at the comments im glad i finally know where it came from
@@Glidus I returned to this video on a whim and remembered I made this comment. It's good to see you have evolved into the spawner of the Westerosi Horse Cinematic Universe.
I have never thought or heard about this Horse theory. It makes me wonder, is Danny able to ride Drogo because that dragon has a bit of a horse in him? Perhaps that is the reason the dragon is biggest of the three? Drogo got a bit extra, not just kingsblood/soul, but vitality of a horse? Also, having a bit of horse in him, he might accept a rider easier.
I like this theory, good idea.
Watch the video again. At what point does he mention that the soul of the horse went into the dragon ?
Holy shit you might actually be onto something here.
If you read Fire and Blood, lots of dragons were ridden before. Look up Visenya and Vhagar, or Rhaenys and Meraxes.
@@danijellino1921 not really, dragons have always been ridden.
targaryens are dragon types so fire is not very effective but for a time mirri maz duur used skill swap or entrainment and gave her the ability flash fire
Of course Mirri is a psychic-type. If only her trainer, Marwyn, had stumbled across TM30 in Asshai...
who is the trainer in the lands of always winter that has the highest leveled pokemon in the game
I'm pretty sure Bloodraven uses glitches, usually you can't have a thousand and one members in your party.
they might add a battle tower in qarth
thank god, i always hated getting to the one in oldtown
Shocked Preston's subtitle wasn't "and we're back"
God damn it, so am I.
cant like bec 69 .
Okay you convinced me. All those references to Drogo acting like a horse is what really sold the deal.
Right?!?! When he said “he only walks when led” my head went 🤯
I think people look into the "Rhaego was dead for years" line. It comes at the end of another character's description of how the corpse looked to Dany, right after "he was filled with greyworms."
I think it's more of a metaphorical comparison to an old corpse than actually saying it had somehow been dead for years.
Remember though that Dany immediately after her stillbirth keeps asking to 'give me my...' and when expected that she'd ask for her baby, she instead eventually asks for a dragon egg, and when given (I think it was Rhaegal's egg? I think it was the green one), she can feel it writhing with life inside.
It baffles me that isn't mentioned in the video at all. At least one dragon was currently alive at that point in the story when they were previously calcified. It seemed very straightforward that Rhaego's life paid for Rhaegal's. It makes the 'dead for years' thing make sense: the fetus of a dragon inside the egg was scaled with wings and a tail and had been dead for years.
@@StarxLolita and was maybe the reincarnation of rhaegar, taking the video theory into account?
@@StarxLolita Well, it was Viserion's egg, so...
@@IeremosI think people look too closely at the names. Viserion is the quintessential baby boy of her three dragons. It would make sense that her baby paid for the baby. Her warrior paid for the warrior. And the wild middle child that’s always forgotten paid for the green middle child that’s always forgotten.
Blood magic plus intent = Dany’s arc
Preston is the final boss.
14:00 No, glimbo. You will forever be remembered for another equine centric asoiaf hypothesis.
"If you've ever wondered why I make these quick-flash wall-of-text slides it's because I'm deeply lonely inside and the thought that someone might stumble across my stream of consciousness ramblings is the kind of random, strange, tangential connection that fascinates me and in a way motivates me. I'm a musician at heart so I'm all about the fleeting ways that creativity can connect us anyway please like comment and subscribe"
Aww Glidus, I look for and read every single one of those slides, we gotchu bro.
Part 3 is going to be so awesome, he has taken so much time to get it just right 🤩
I think you're close, but I have trouble buying the whole thing with keeping people souls. I also think that when Miiri said you won't hear me scream, the intent was that her ovulating was some type of protection intended for herself to protect her from the flames but somehow Dany managed to steal this protection. You're definitely on the right path here, but I think there are a few leaps that I'm not quite willing to make. I do think that the horse soul was in drogos body and this makes the most sense when you consider what miri's plan was initially. Unless she's totally prophetic in a way that we have never seen in the story thus far, she wouldn't know that she would have Dany and her baby entering the tent during the ritual. She expressly forbid them from entering, so her plan must have been complete with the tools she went in the tent with initially. I could see miri's life paying for one of the dragons, and maybe even drogos and rhaegal's but viscerys seems like way too much of a stretch time-wise in my opinion.
Great video though, this is probably the closest theory on this subject to something that sounds plausible, but I still feel like we're missing something.
This is a good observation. It takes a village to raise a hypothesis!
Ovulating lol
Yes, the ovulation was definitely a factor
Just finished watching all 8 of your videos. Pretty good stuff, keep up the good work.
"Any magic studied thoroughly enough becomes science". ~Terry Pratchet
One more year until Part 3 comes out.
Hey that’s all good and well but if Rhaego “had been dead for years” couldn’t that just mean that the egg turned to stone turned to egg was also “dead for many years”? That could mean something
only one more year before we get the next theory video!
Everything you said about the miracle ritual makes sense...the horse's lifeforce in Drogo is now widely accepted based on his vegetative state alone, being lead, fleas, etc makes it even a stronger case. And the king's blood just clicks, especially considering the botched ritual at Summerhall.
Of course he is a horse, that was obviously what George intended from the first chapter
Great video, crazy theory. Looking forward to seeing your channel grow.
[14:49] Well, it has been four years, so...
This video is pretty much a way to explain how Ghost will die to resurrect Jon in WOW
Interesting idea, huge implications. According to this theory, you steal souls by intentionally deciding to end a life.
Therefore, mass murderers would carry lots of souls. Or do they fade after a time? Do assassins carry the souls of the people they killed, or do the souls go to the person who decided to hire the assassin? Has Tyrion Elia's soul? How many times can a single soul be transfered? Are these souls conscious? Are murdered/assassinated people forced to follow the person who killed them/had them killed around until those themselfes are murdered/assassinated, repeating the same cycle over and over until the carrier dies of natural causes/has a real accident/commits suicide?
Very important considerations - yet nobody's given this comment the attention it deserves.
A Khal like Drogo killed thousands no doubt.
Maybe it's specifically Royal Souls, Viserys and Rhaego, heirs of the Targaryens, and Khal Drogo himself.
If he's only killed random villagers, merchants, and whatnot, maybe those souls wouldn't work for such a ritual.
I think souls are not stored, but offered. You don't keep it on your body, you have a sort of "soul bank account" with the supernatural, which seems to transcend gods. Viserys was sacrificed in the Mother of Mountains, Rhaego was sacrificed at the tent, Mirri was literally burnt at the stake. So unless the assassins kill with religious intent and procedure, they don't carry any souls with them.
That, plus the power of royal blood and the whole "power resides where men think it resides" reminds me a lot of the theory that the weirwoods are a network of deceased souls and capable of altering the world.
Royal blood has power because most people who lived and died think it has power. Ritual sacrifice gives power because most people inside the hive mind think it gives power. And souls are transfered based on the hive mind's belief that they can be. And given that some people can access that hive mind, maybe ownership is associated with that. If the supernatural senses that you think you own the souls, you do.
Yeee, my favorite theorist is back💪
Can you imagine the sheer confusion Drogo's horse experiences dying and waking up in his rider's body with his rider's wife trying to get him hard.
"to be released in 4 years hahaha whoops" at 14:50 seems to be on track. Looking forward to 2022 already!
This aged well.
Reall regret finding this garbage fire of a channel. Cannot get enough!
In my own head-canon Jorah's belief in and love for Dany also has something to do with it all. The same way Thoros's belief in Beric stops him from dying. Like GRRM said its a unique event, so maybe all of those things happening at once + the meteor needed to happen. I do wonder how dragons are traditionally hatched though, and wouldn't be surprised if fire and blood are both required.
WOOOWWWWWW!!!! I am amazed by the energy transferency diagram, reminds biology classes
It’s been 4 years, Time to cough up part 3
How have i only first learned of glidus today... your a genious and hope you make more vids
One problem. The sole of viserys went into Dany. Before he died Dany didn't care about invading Westeros and wanted to go home. Once he died, she gained his ambitions. After the dragons were born, she looks for a home again.
Or Dany's brain was being messed with by Quaithe.
It's been 4 years so let's go I wanna know!
because like.
what sweet revenge is this, save Dany's life and give her flying nukes?
doesn't check out man
Woo hoo! Two more months until part 3!
this actually makes a shred of sense. this is now part of my canon
That thing with a horse is actually surprisingly plausible - the rest I am not sure about. It's more likely Rheago was just a stillborn baby, or Mirri performed some additional magical shit to kill him to get back at Daenerys. OR the baby couldn't bear the presence of this sort of ritual (we know that at least in Asshai, a city dedicated to this sort of freaky shit, there are no children and noone knows why) and died, giving its life to dragons (with dragon life not being equal to a human one). Mirri's death ensured Dany's survival. Or maybe Daenerys saved only herself by killing Mirri, and dragons just responded to the presence of this type of magic. Either way, the mere presence of this sort of magic is powerful in and on itself.
Damn, you references are on point.
Especially The Bill theme. Noice. Very noice.
Regarding Harry Lloyd: word. He was amazing in the Dunk & Egg audiobooks too. Amazing talent.
That audiobook is fantastic
I thought it was a bizarre reference to Hollywood silent movie icon Harold Lloyd.
Nice use of The Bill theme while doing your "investigation" at the end. Well played.
Great production
That was fun! Your videos don't disappoint.
I'm watching this, and I'm like-- Is this really something people argue about? It seemed incredibly straightforward to me, especially when Mirri said that Rhaego was a scaled thing with wings and a tail that had been dead for hundreds of years, and when post-birth Dany asks to hold a dragon egg instead of asking for her baby, and can feel the dragon writhing inside the egg.
This isn't as convoluted as people seem to make this out to be. Drogo, Rhaego, and Mirri paid for the lives of Drogon, Viseryon, and Rhaegal. It's just that the blood magic took like a full day to be completed, ending at the funeral pyre. Drogo's half-existence can be explained by the exchange of life force of one of the dead dragons, or from the horse.
EDIT: And I also figure Dany surviving the fire is probably more to do with appeasing the Lord of Light tbh. It's unrelated to the exchange. Magic happens beyond life/death exchanges in the show.
Great use of that Arin nommin candy clip. A+
4 years are up, why did she do that?
This seems like a bit of a stretch but goddamnit, it’s the best I’ve seen!
The Neil Breen reference in the end of nthe video was pure gold
Miri didn't need to have a motivation for birthing the dragons. When she died the life forced of Drogo, Rhaego, and Viserys went to Dany. And Dany gave birth to the dragons.
the only thing worse than high school math is fantasy soul math.
By the rules you’ve established about storing souls, shouldn’t Drogo be carrying around a metric fuckton of them?
Drogo having the horse's soul in him actually works so well. Especially with the line that he would walk if you would lead him. There's a wonderful irony because the Dothraki revere horses as these noble wild animals yet entering Drogo's body proves how docile the Dothraki have made them
Fantastic! Really funny and interesting at the same time
I went back and watched these early videos from before I discovered the premium content from Glidus! Good stuff!
What I don’t understand about the Dany not fireproof thing is why in Dance she remarks in her POV about how “it was the same as it had been before, although her hair burnt off the flames hadn’t touched her..” or something like that.
Blisters are mentioned later and people use that as a source of why she’s not immune to fire… but you can get blisters from friction. I’d argue most of the time blisters are mentioned it’s from friction- and you call burns, burns when the fire is too hot.
Also- George saying “Targaryen’s aren’t fireproof” is completely true. They aren’t, he didn’t say “DaNy IsNt FiRePrOoF” thanks for coming to my Ted talk
Here's a comment for the quick-flash wall-of-text slides.
These videos are fantastic and I appreciate your work very much.
Thanks from the other side of the world.
Oh and also, new video you fuck.
Great theory and I am so happy you‘re going to address the motivations issue in your next video! I have to say I‘m not super sure on the whole „storing of souls“ bit, I feel like there isn‘t really enough evidence to definitively say whether or not that‘s actually a thing, but I strongly agree on the idea that the horse‘s life was the one that went into Drogo. In either case, great video, hilarious editing and please hurry up with part 3. There better be some Dornish conspiracy involved ;)
Well, I don't really want to push GRRM ideas from outside of the series, but the guy clearly likes thinking of lives (spirits, souls, lifeforce, whatever term you like) being continued or carried on or held on to through memories, pain, experiences, stories. Even in this series he flirts with the idea. So I was careful not to specify whether the "souls" I was talking about were physical or spiritual or symbolic in nature, because at least from what I've read, it's all the same to our author.
But that's just one crackpot's interpretation of another crackpot's crazy stories. Everything in this video is just me trying to unpack George's logic, really. Keyword: trying.
As for the Dornish conspiracy, isn't it obvious? The Quentyn Martell we know is an imposter. The real Dornish prince was burnt on Drogo's funeral pyre. #getwoke
I mean I honestly could see yours being the true explanation, you‘ve clearly put a lot of thought in this. When I think of transferring lifeforce it makes think of warging, which might not be the same thing but it makes for a good comparison. In warging there is the possibility of a single body (in this case Mirri‘s) possessing multiple „souls“ or „spirits“ (like when Bran wargs poor Hodor). There isn‘t however a way to „attract“ someone else‘s soul to you as Mirri would have done according to your theory and also there isn‘t really a way of „commanding“ a sole to go to a specific recipient. Again, it might be a completely different process from warging entirely but that‘s why I said there isn‘t enough evidence in the text to confirm or deny the theory at this point in time. I still really like it though and definitely find it plausible. I have a strong feeling George did have a system like yours in mind when he wrote that final Dany AGOT chapter and I think you might be on the right track. It‘ll be interesting to see if he ever reveals more about the whole „death pays for life“ blood magic ritual in any future books or if he decides to keep it ambiguous. Anyway thanks for responding, it‘s always great to chat about ASOIAF with someone who knows their stuff :)
Great reply. I wasn't going to state the connection for a while but yeah, the similarities with warging are definitely there. I kind of toyed around with talking about it in Part 1, but thought that would distract way too much from the core subject. Basically I noticed that Rorge and Biter kind of take on the traits of Chiswyck and Weese, the deaths that paid for their lives. I can't remember the details and it's currently way past my bedtime, but in summary the idea was that this "soul possession" kind of does act as a blending of consciousness, the same as warging does as laid out by Varamyr (which is why I included him in that little "things to come" bit at the end).
Notice how Mirri seems really headstrong and brave and fearless when facing her own death, but when the fires sweep over her (read: the fire magic begins) she loses her resolve. Now this might seem like a normal sequence of events for someone burning burnt alive, but if we're trying to think like cooky old George, it could also mean that she has lost the part of her mind that was fearless and resilient - the part of her mind that was Drogo.
And I reckon if there *were* a way to "attract" or "command" someone's soul or whatever, Mirri Maz Duur would be the one to know how to do it, right?
I don't think we'll ever get a fully clear answer on this stuff. George loves his little mysteries, and we fans love trying to solve them. It would ruin a lot of the fun if he just told us the way he thought about it. Trying to reverse engineer this was so much fun, I'm perfectly happy if people come along and think it sounds absurd :) I just like exchanging ideas about my favourite story.
Love this theory, all the evidence makes sense to me and ties it all up nicely. Just have one little question, why would Mirri want to do this?
Exactly what I was thinking. I can't think of a motive to explain this theory.
Don't worry. We'll get part 3.
Someday.
Mirri is friends with Marwin the Mage and have been to Asshai. Maybe Quaithe, Mirri, Marwin are all in this together. Or it could be a coincidence.
Sorry I’m new and just getting there- first we must go back- plausible way..?
“There must be 3heads” here it all day..”Rhaegars prophecy “
From HotD Daemon sings a song in High Valerian to Vermithor end of season 1 that explains how it works and that blood was paid by ancestor transfer spirit to the coexist in dragon and becomes blood of the dragon
they bind with a rider for the 3 heads….bloodline Velarian
Binding magic 🪄
-ancestor=1/3,
-dragon itself 2/3,
-Rider=3/3
But still this is 100% special circumstances - via Danny getting the dragon rider X gene and a dragon hatcher X gene also that Dreamfyre is probably where the clutch of three eggs given to Danny
-Mirris “crafts”(she could have facilitated all three thru her this unique ritual)
Mirris motives could relate with Maestro Marwyns connection with her, glass candles, knowledge of Danny and her eggs….glass candles and Quathe(?) just for fun add the comet…
We’ve got Mirri , Marwym, Quathe, Danny, the eggs the lives to give/pay for the dragons lives, and add the comet just for fun..
as a priestess they could have facilitated and died for this cause(s)
I’m over my head I know and because I haven’t heard anything about binding to dragon eggs but they could have ancestral spirit passed down from ancestor (whoever OG was in old Valerya)sacrificed for (read the lullaby?)
Dreamfyre bloodlines
1-passed ancestral by blood paid from ancestor could be in all three eggs (?)
So
•Ancestor (blood already paid) either already in egg or all 3 eggs =1 of 3 heads
•Life to dragons =fire magic - Danny’s kiss /kohl death, or/in addition to shadow binding
2 of 3 heads
{gap in knowledge for specific people times in this theory for sure}
Rider dragon always is 1/1- so makes one complete bind as rider dragon ratio 1/1, Drogon and Danny now have the magic 3/3
Raegal and viserys dragons have 2 of 3-ready -but yet to bond with riders for the 3/3 combo win
Mirris crafts in shadow binding, fire binding other (?)
Her song like a dragon binder horn *kills who uses it-=Mirris death
Or Danny could use horn in near future herself and not die…
This doesn’t help the math I’m a three body problem state here so yeah it’s just thoughts more than theory
Motivation? Actual self sacrifice of herself to save the world 😅
I’m so sorry about all spelling errors
I’m sorry for everything 😢😅
No worries glimbo, I always pause to read your stream of consciousness ramblings 👍
I always assumed Drogo's state was either because of the horse or the baby now living in his body.
Part 3 was set to release 3 months ago. Where the hell is it?
"if im forever known as the guy who thinks drogo is a horse then so be it"
oh the irony, its so good
Counting down to Part 3 in approx 19 days!
i never said it would be *exactly* four years
still waiting part 3
So Mirri's motivation?
This is actually like, really good. I’ve seen all your pisstakes and your Got reviews and you reference this a lot, but it’s really not that tinfoil.
Nice episode of "Maths with Glidus"
i hope you now understand the commutative property of SOULS
The argument seems to be that Mirri birthing the dragons is incoherent with her motivations as the dragons are clearly a good thing, and she clearly wanted revenge against the Dothraki. But what if Mirri in her final moments saw that she could do this dragon soul swap, and foresaw that it would doom the Dothraki in a long term kind of way? We already know that the dragons are wild, and there is a lot of dark foreshadowing about them, so maybe the idea is that sooner or later their appetite and might will lead to them like annihilating the Dothraki (ocean of flames, grilled horse dinner kind of situation). This also explains why Mirri gives her life for Danny, it's not a move against Danny, but against the Dothraki. Idk seems kind of Grrmy to have a dragon genocide, deeply affecting Danny. And, assuming Mirri saw potential to bring balance or whatever in Danny, giving her dragons purposely as a last service to the world or whatever.
In the dragon show last seasons the dragons were like military assets, kind of disregarding magic and darkness etc. Dothtaki were just a never ending military force. So maybe magic atomic lizard dragons and dead dothraki fit the narrative better. Idk.
TLDR: Mirri did it to destroy dothraki, dragons be crazy and will eat horsies (and people)
Only one more year to wait for part 3
I know why the horse worked on drogo, its because the dothraki are almost half horse in a way, their entire lifestyle revolves around them, so the horse would be compatible
hoping for that follow up video soon
God that hollow knight soundtrack sends shivers down my spine.
okay BUT...WHYYY would Mirri give her life to save Dany OR give her dragons????
It's been 4 years, where is our part 3?
i remember whating the show for the first time and saying, that damn horse must be so confused
Cool! I wonder if this works in the Breaking Bad franchise!
*shoots Howard*
C'mon two pink lines!!
C'mon two pink lines...
😀☹😬🤔
You know what? I think I'll check back in later...
Hahaha The Bill theme right before an investigation 😂😂😂
Yes next video, surely it'll be soon
OMFG when got to the horse part, i lost it
so funnyyyyyyyyyy
Aww I want a part 3 this is good!
Wait, if Drogo had Viserys' soul after he killed him does that mean everyone keeps the souls of the people they kill? Then what about all the other people Drogo killed?
The Others exist because humanity makes a lot of life without paying for it first. Something has to balance it out. It is known
Aaahhhhhhh where is the next video?! Your promised us!
Honestly, the only reason I could see for Mirri to give the life force to the dragons would be for revenge.
Unleash three uncontrolled dragons on the Dothraki, to finally give them an enemy they can't run down on their horses.
And Daenerys surviving was either an unintended side effect she never thought about, or we could even go so far as to say that Dany specifically sacrificed her together with three other souls so she made it happen herself; Mirri just didn't expect Dany to literally throw herself into the ritual and take control of the dragons in the first place.
Oh boy what a nice channel. Keep it up
Welcome to the party, glad you made it. There are drinks in the cooler but ask before you take anything. Please walk carefully around the pool.
i always felt it was raego for drogo (the horse was a red herring for danny), then raego/drogo, mirri and dany herself for the dragons. All three of those lives taken by dany with intent right before or during the pyre
Your 4 years are up bro where's the new video?
The joke about the bill was enough to let me know I did the right thing when I subscribed yesterday
holy shit someone got that joke
@@Glidus I would like more vids but the effort you put into crafting them lets me know that they will always be worth the wait
@@esessien8495 That's very kind of you to say. Thank you.
@@Glidus I can't wait to see what you next release (I hit the bell and everything)
I couldn’t pay attention to the content because I was too engrossed by the bill theme tune 😂
Something's up in Asshai probably. Quaithe keeps guiding Daenerys and is probably the one who is behind all the "wake the dragon" dreams Daenerys has (as she is for the ones she has afterwards). Maester Marwyn has studied in Asshai and he knew Mirri Maaz Duur (probably in Asshai as well) so yeah, the Asshai'i are behind it all. They want dragons and who knows why (well, maybe it's for the Long Night stuff, the Asshai'i seem to have known the first Long Night).
Hey dude, again a fantastic video. Ice and Fire tinfoil content like that are really jewls on youtube and that theory actually makes sense :D really helps with the waiting for wow.... i havent read the world of ice and fire, but i always thought it was so weird, that jorah asks danny like 5 times if she would flee to asshai with him. the shadowbinders might have some connections with mirri, quaithe and jorah, but i havent really an idea what their scheme on all this is.... oh and btw youre ck2 video was probably the best ck2 vid i ever saw xD i love that game, but watching it on youtube is fucking boring... laughed so hard i almost pissed my pants. have a great time and greetings from germany
Besten Dank! Mein Deutsch ist heutzutage schlecht (Ich habe auch einen schrecklichen Akzent), aber ich erinnere mich noch an einige. Ich denke.
Yeah Jorah's obsession mit Asshai in the first book is really strange. Some people, myself included, think it has something to do with trying to hatch the dragons - while Mirri never mentions the shadowbinders by name, she does say she learnt from mages in Asshai (which... yeah, that's the shadowbinders). And Jorah never mentions Asshai again after the dragons hatch. I don't think Jorah and Mirri were on the same "team," but it definitely seems that there were several different parties trying to get those eggs to hatch.
I totally agree with you on most of the CK2 videos you find on TH-cam. Just longplays where you're watching the game screen in real time and nothing's happening. The player might say something once every minute, but I just don't have the time or the attention span for that. If you haven't seen it before, I recommend looking up Long Game Short - it's a great channel which basically uploads highlight reels of Paradox longplays. I like to think I'm a pretty good editor, but man, that guy is an absolute champ.
Cheers for finding me and sticking around ;)
The Bill theme song really does sound like a siren, why have I never noticed that before?
Maybe cause I haven't watched it in 25 years.
If intent is required though, then the baby needs to be disregarded entirely because Mirri Maz Duur didn't intend to kill Rhaego. I agree that she did intend to bring Drogo "back to life" by putting a horse soul in him, but Rhaego was never meant to be in the tent. If Danny hadn't been brought into the tent against her will, Rhaego would have lived.
wait, so you are saying that when someone kills someone else their life essence is stored on them? so most warriors are carrying a butload of souls like in dark souls? and when somebody kills them they get to steal all their souls?
well Martin is making a game with Miyazaki so... theory confirmed!
It seems like GRRM might have alluded to an infertility storyline (that D&D began to foreshadow and then forgot about, because Hacks) - if that was going to be the case, maybe Mirri traded the lives of Danny's would-be unborn children for the birth of her dragons.
I keep coming back to this video and the same thing keeps coming back to me, why would Miri want the dragons to be born, as far as I can tell she hated war and the death of innocents, and 3 dragons are essentially 3 nukes. It just doesn’t make sense to me that Miri would want the dragons to exist or Daenerys to live. Great video though
The birth of the dragons is such a monumental act of magic with such a great impact on the series. As they seem to be the counterbalance to the white walkers, an extinction event, I thought the dragons might be the work of the Red God. Might we see the same intervention in Thoros' sudden resurrection abilities, to help the cause of the living? And Mel's enhanced magic? Do their feats follow the same law of blood-magic?
If the dragons are the work of the red god, the analogue for the walkers would mean they're the work of the old gods, which many people already thing. If Mirri orchestrated the return of dragons, did Bloodraven orchestrate the return of the Others?
We know through Craster giving the Others his children that it most likely takes a human life to create an Other (obviously). So does it also take a human life to create a dragon? Or, at least, awaken one?
If I ever manage to continue this series, it will be about how Thoros and Beric and Melisandre and so on fit into the framework laid out here. Maybe I'll need to look at Bloodraven too...
@@Glidus great stuff, would love to see that. And a "Rhaegar is the Night King" vid.
Interesting that three sets of kingsblood (Viserys, Drogo, Rheago) is what brings about the birth of dragons, since it looks as if it's going to happen again.
Marwyn is heading towards Dany with three sets of kingsblood.
The Cinnamon Wind appears in Qarth in A Clash of Kings and has the only captain who is willing to speak to Dany and give her information. He then tells her he's not sailing straight to Westeros, he won't be there for a year or more but less than a year later he is in Braavos and about to sail to Oldtown. Firstly, what a coincidence the one guy who was willing to see Dany also happens to run into the carer of another Targaryen, and also happens to be going the exact same way. Secondly, it's odd that they skip every single western port of Westeros and head straight to Oldtown. Almost as if they were there to pick Samwell up and take him to Oldtown. Upon arriving in Oldtown, Marwyn says the he'll take the "swan ship" that Sam came in, yet no one said that Sam came in that ship, and we know that Marwyn has a working glass candle (also they started working right after the dragons were born, which was around the time that the Cinnamon Wind joined our story), so it's very likely that Marwyn was watching Sam this whole time, and that the Cinnamon Wind is an agent of Marwyn the Mage.
Furthermore, the ship has three sets of kingsblood on it. It has Aemon's corpse stuffed in a barrel of blackberry rum (the son and brother and uncle to kings). It has Mance's Son (the son of a king). And, it has Gilly (who could very well be the great-granddaughter of a king, if Craster is Bloodraven's son; which given that Bloodraven was at the Night's Watch for just 13 years before disappearing, roughly the same amount of time it would take for him to have a child, raise it until puberty, and then do a classic Targ incest to make another baby; Craster). Marwyn now having his agents pick up Aemon and Samwell and Gilly and Mance's Son, then distracting Sam with a glass candle, and then fucking off with the ship and those on it makes sense, he was acquiring kingsblood. And why would he want kingsblood, we can't be sure, but he probably wants to do another blood magic ritual...
Another? I hear you ask. Yes. Marwyn was name-dropped all the way back in A Game of Thrones, before Euron and before Bloodraven, and three whole books before his one and only appearance thus far. Mirri named him. She says she was taught by him. Now, the coincidence of a woman being taught by a guy who is obsessed with magic and dragons and Targaryens and prophecy being found on the opposite end of the world and happening to run into Daenerys Targaryen, a person who is able to hatch dragons and happens to be carrying three dragon eggs, is insane. I have no doubt in my mind that she was planted there, that she was seeking Daenerys out with the intention of committing this blood ritual and bringing about dragons, and she was sent by her master, Archmaester Marwyn. He started this whole thing, and now he is trying to do it once more.
But I'm probably just spoiling Part Three of your this theory series at this point, which I'm sure is gonna come out any day now, so I'll stop here, for glidus's sake.
Classic TAM Essay over.
The dragon hatching is not blood magic. George himself classified it as a 'miracle'. It stands to reason the ritual was fueled by life but ultimately didn't pay for Viseryon or Rhaegon's lives.
I believe it to be quite simple: Drogo for Drogon, Durr for Rhaegon and ~Dany~(can't be burned, but was ultimately sacrificed) for Viseryon.