anytime i think of Varamyr my mind always wanders to the Glidus and Schwifty bit where they wonder what Varamyr called himself when he only had 4 wargable animals in his posse
The point you raise about the difference between the First Men condemning slavery and incest, but the Valyrians embracing it, is really inspired and I think could have a deep thematic meaning. Aemon told us that "fire consumes, ice preserves", and we know that the Valyrians' quest for slaves (leading to Faceless Men, possibly their doom) and the Targaryen's practice of incest (leading to madness) caused them great problems. And we know that the Valyrians' bond with dragons may well be similar to skinchanging. Some other points worth noting is that Arya's skinchanging is not just Nymeria; she sees through one of the cats that followed her back to the House of Black and White to see it was the kindly man attacking her. And, most importantly, **Varamyr is with Summer.** It's not remembered much, but Summer encounters Varamyr's pack, including One Eye where he lives his second life, and takes it over, and they are still by the cave of the three-eyed crow as of the end of ADWD. I do not think it is good that another psycho warg is so close...
I don’t think that the incest is responsible for their madness. Cruelty maybe but the "madness" is more likely caused by two things: 1. their obsession with magic/dragons and 2. prophecies + Bran most possibly f*cking up with Aerys's head either intentionally to set the things in motion or not intentionally making things worse than needed Also there haven't been that many of them that were truly mad. We have Aerys II. (obviously), Aerion Brightflame, Baelor the blessed (different kind of madness but still) and maybe Aegon the unworthy? (Summerhall is still hidden in mysteries) The rest were either good or cruel but never mad (Danny doesn’t count as she has yet to fall into madness)
Just red that chapter last week. Amazing insight it gives, like how the bear varamir had hated him and it took much effort to warg him. He trashed for day and night, and even that doesn't compare to warging a human. Varamir only had brief control of the wildling woman before she scratched their eyes out and bit their thongue. Really goes to show how much raw power is required to warg a human. And how much more powerful bran can become
I really like the idea that dragon riders are like powerless skin changers, they can’t control directly but do get the secondary effects. That’s what makes Jon so powerful, his Stark abilities are amplified by his Targ abilities (and maybe some of his distant blood like Dayne and Blackwood).
I wonder if Robb lived and fully established being King in the North (and Trident) If Skin Changers would be more common, that a deal with the Wildlings would be reached and there would be a place for them all to go to in the North. Maybe a role/seat on his own (or atleast version) of the Small Council.
With the benefit of hindsight from the show, the line about Ghost being "a second life fit for a king", it seems like a foreshadow of Jon being king. BUT, this statement could just as easily be applied to Bran and Summer.
That's an interesting observation. GRRM doesn't typically leave a foreshadow directly in front of the character it's for. It was Brandon not Rickard's statue that caught the torch, and the King eats and the Hand takes an ish doesn't apply to either Ned or Robert. Foreshadowing often has a much less direct relationship to the people we might assume to be the subject of it.
I think it's specifically because ghost is an albinos and also bigger if I remember correctly. It doesn't really work with summer considering direwolf are more common north of the wall.
Yeah, I had a number of instances listening to Roy Dotrice (who I love RIP) Where I knew I had to stop and pick up the book. It was like hold up, George tryin to be sneaky and slip a bunch of world building and lore right under my nose agan. He does that. You have to keep your eye on the ball with asoiaf.
This may lead to something happening to Bran; Bran's usage of Hodor is technically breaking what Bloodraven has been telling him for some time. If Bran goes to commit abomination after abomination, then perhaps he'll fall to his own powers, or perhaps being left in an even more vulnerable position than he is rn, which could spell doom for the rest of Westeros, as he couldn't be able enough to destroy the Wights!
"Bran's marvels put him on a moral watch-list, not an epistemological one" - me, 2019. This narrative is a lot deeper than people give it credit for being.
Wdyt about making a video on immortality in AWOIAF? It's an interesting concept that is mentioned, but not deeply delved into by grum. Especially when you look at original way in which obsidian candles where supposed to work, and compare it with Faceless men 'religion'. Great video, as always!
If Time-Traveling Bran theory is to be believed, Bran will eventually commit an even greater abomination of skinchanging into humanity creating a human hivemind. Also, it's always fun when the subject of skinchanging to live on in a second life to mention the Boltons and the updated Bolt-on theory. The original theory was that Boltons were using faceless men magic to somehow steal faces of their heirs to live on that way. The updated theory was that Boltons are skinchangers like the Starks, but would skinchange into people (can help explain how the Boltons could war with the Starks for thousands of years, even winning now and again). In that theory, Lord Bolton is still the original Bolton that skinchanges into his heir when he dies and living on again in a new, younger body who also happened to be a skin changer so the process can continue for generations.
A whole separate point from this video, but I just realized something. In the books, Jon's eyes are said to be gray like father's, which could be interpreted to be a grayish pale blue. If Jon takes on some of the physical characteristics of Ghost while warging him, it could make him look VERY much like a Targaryen. Specifically, his hair turning white, and Ghost's red eyes mixing with Jon's blueish gray eyes to produce violet Valyrian eyes. Just food for thought.
Whenever I hear about the magic of the old gods, I automatically think about Michael talks about stuff, who imo brilliantly solved the whole system and theme behind the old gods
4:22 I’m not sure if that draft was from before the time skip was cut, but I’d like to think that it’s still relevant for the current story in a funny way. Like Davos gets to Skagos and tells Rickon to come back with him, only for Rickon to say “No” and then run off into the woods with Shaggy Dog 😂
re: all of the Starks having some level of skinchanging ability and all skinchangers having a strong amount of First Men descent: The North is the only part of Westeros where the blood of the first men still runs thick. In the current Riverlands, Crownlands, Westerlands, Reach, and Stormlands, and Vale, the Andals intermarried with the First Men so much that the two ethnic groups become one. There's basically no one that doesn't have ancestry from both cultures. And in Dorne, we aren't really told how much the Andals managed to spread into Dorne, if at all, but the Dornish First Men descendants definitely intermarried a lot with the later Rhoynar immigrants to Westeros. Only the North managed to turn the tide of the Andals back; the Crannogmen made sure that Andal armies that ventured north into the swamps of the Neck never made it to the other side and also never made it back home to the south, while other Northern houses defeated each Andal force that landed on their shores from the sea (and in at least 1 case, traveled to Essos to give them a violent reminder to stay out.) Northerners like the Stark children have the most First Men ancestry of anyone south of The Wall aside from the Vale Hill Tribes, and those north of The Wall have ALL First Men ancestry. This is very much not a coincidence
Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know where I read it but, I have the the notion since some years ago that a warg and a skinchanger are not the same thing in ASOIAF,a warg can only use the skin of a wolf, his own wolf, like Jon and a Skinchanger can use the skin of multiple animals like Varamyr, Bran and Arya. Am I wrong? There are diffdrent types of skinchangers? I know that every greenseer is a skinchanger but not other way around, please let me know if I'm wrong
No both names are the same. In varamir chapter it is said that the easiest animal to warg are dogs, they're practically made for humans, and wolfs are a bit different. But aside from that you can warg into any animal you desire, although each animal will take a toll on your psyche and permanently alter your personality
@@alilweeb7684 Nope. The catchall use of the term warg was show only. A skinchanger is anyone who can go into the mind of an animal, while a warg is exclusive to someone who skinchanges wolves. And not all greenseers are skinchangers, either, though many powerful ones have both abilities. So all the Stark kids are wargs, but so far, only Bran and Arya have shown themselves to be skinchangers, since Bran can use other animals (and Hodor), and Arya uses cats in Braavos. And so far only Bran seems to be a greenseer out of the bunch, though Jon has some dreams that might be green dreams, or might be dragon dreams from his Targaryen heritage. And we don't know if green dreams and dragon dreams are the same thing, but they could be. All we really know is that both are prophetic, and hard to interpret accurately.
I like to think that the relevance of Jon's parents has nothing to do with his right to sit on the Iron Throne, but rather with the fact that being a Starkgaryen (part warg, part attuned with dragons) he can probably warg into motherfucking Drogon.
It’s why I think he’s more powerful too, I like the idea that dragonriders are like powerless skin changers. So his Targ blood enhances his Stark blood, making him a stronger skin changer.
Ah yes, as if Bran wasn’t evil enough already for taking Hodor's body and sanity (through that hold the door moment). Needless to say that he probably will cause the madness of possibly more than 1 targaryen king and who knows what more will he do, but him ending the series as a king in a stolen body would be cruel and evil as hell and quite possibly the saddest thing in the entire story based on who will be the body
Thank you for making this video. I have read the prologue to Dance twice and still had no idea what was going on! 😅But to be fair, this is my first time reading the books.
What if a skinchanger controlls a person who is in a vegetative state? I bet that would be easier. And could they live a second life in a human body? Sounds like an interesting concept to me.
4:52 I could’ve sworn he warged into the dogs they were keeping and killed his baby brother that way. Because he tells the story of how he got caught by his dad killing the dogs one by one until he killed the one Varamyr was in?
i love your videos i hate that listening to them makes me excited for a book that i dont think will ever come. i hope i'm wrong, but this one does not believe. great vid tho
a bit random but i feel like it would be really cool if bran doesn’t become king at the end he becomes ‘god emperor’ (similar to to leto in god emperor of dune). Residing on the isle of faces he could become a tyrant of the world, having every criminal of even the slightest crime executed via seeing through the eyes of every being at all times. Could even have a thousand year time gap or something like in Dune where we have a new cast of characters, who try to overthrow this tyrant. Obviously this will never happen as we may not even get ADOS but idk i feel like this would be sick, and this way we can still have Jon as the king, and a ‘scouring of the shire’ moment for arya, giving her an actual reason to travel west of westeros.
I think bran is warging Theon in winter fell. I think bran is responsible for at least two deaths in winterfell. One as Theon (bran being the hooded man) and one as Frey(big and little can’t remember). It looks like Frey killed his Kin and he can’t explain it. Bran hates them more then anyone when they came to winterfell early on the story.
The heart tree speaks to Theon and then bran can start warging him as the next chapter is the prince of winterfell which could also be bran and I think we are winterfell once through Theon’s eyes and once through brans eyes as it is described twice in that chapter
I just want to see Rickon Rise. It would be pretty cool if a tottally bad ass mad cat killler wargin all over your ass Rickon Stark was the prelude chapter of A Dream of Spring. I have always kinda figured he's gonna be the hero to rise in the end, and everyone scoffs at me for this. If he removed some stuff about a Jon Snow dream of Rickon slaying a Unicorn with ol shaggers, well that just makes me think Im right. Why would he remove that unless he decided he wanted it to be more of a suprise when Rickon shows up and starts takin heads off.
Rickon is the paralel of Aegon the Unlikely. The youngest in the house, has a companion that is looked down upon (Hedge Knight - Wildling), is on an unusual journey, older sibblings that either dead or in a possition that kept them from their lordship of their family's seat.
BR didn't use his powers for evil, he used them to keep control of the realm and to guide key people to what he thought was important for the survival of all
I’ve never liked the term Skinchanger it just sounds evil, I’m glad the show changed it to Warg. I love that Bran has committed two of three worst things a Warg can do, yet D and D still decided to make him King, on top of him being a minor and a robot, I’m sure that won’t end badly. They should have just made him Master of Whisperers or Magic.
Jon being a strong skinchanger makes sense. He is descended from the Warg king who the Starks slew along with his sons and hundreds of beasts and took his daughter as a wife.
Bran has done 2 of the 3. I think Bran will use the weirwoods to go back in time a little bit, go inside a dire wolf, and mate with the mother of his very own dire wolf. He's young, he's not been told the rules, and his hormones are kicking in.
You are WRONG about when Martin Concieved Warging. When the Stark Children meet the Direwolves Jon Snow is warging into Ghost. They are leaving and Jon mentions hearing the sounds nearby of Ghost something no one else can hear except him. Ghost is called Ghost because he is mute he never makes a sound at all so Jon hearing him has to be him warging. Ghost has opened his eyes first and wandered off from his siblings this represents and foreshadows Jon being the first to open his eyes and Warg and the first to leave Winterfell going to the wall. I'm not sure if you read comments but It is clear Martin had something like warging in his head during the first book. He may have expanded it later but Jon hearing Ghost makes no sense otherwise.
That little shit Bran is gonna do something none of us are gonna be happy about I fuckin' know it. That Hodor deal already made me feel queasy back when I first read ADWD.
He's already broken at least two of the rules without knowing it; the question is how much further he'll go, either by necessity or because he becomes a bit too used to having too much power.
@@thing_under_the_stairs I'm really worried about the third one. I mean, Bran skinchanging Hodor and breaking him psychologically had already made my blood boil, and the fanbase's been in tinfoil mode for so long that the Meera/Hodor theory's been floating around enough to make me legitimately worried. Hints are there for Bran to do something unspeakable when it comes to the third Abomination, and I desperately don't want it to come to that :(
@@thisrandomdude2880 I've run across that theory too, and it's getting into territory that makes me really uncomfortable, to put it mildly. I can absolutely understand the reasons that things might happen that way, but it's also so much of every flavour of wrong that all I can really say about it is, for the love of the Old Gods and the New George, please don't do it!
Martin early on decided not to give his big schemers POVs, and kings were lumped in with that. Dany retains her POV after becoming queen because her Slaver's Bay arc is just to give her something to do before it's time to head to Westeros. Cersei gets a POV in part because Martin regretted not giving Robb a POV so he took back his self-imposed rule.
anytime i think of Varamyr my mind always wanders to the Glidus and Schwifty bit where they wonder what Varamyr called himself when he only had 4 wargable animals in his posse
@@turtleguyfan i had to play that one through in my head before i got it
oh no
where are people hearing these two talk about the actual books? i only see show stuff from them
@@EFFLUVIUMWRITINGTheir collabs are a lot of book stuff
Varamyr "Mustget1or2more"skins
You're just jealous that you can't do it too. Envy doesn't look good on you, Quinn.
everyone is
Really? Like humans didn't 🔥 other humans when they even suspected they had even the slightest bit of magic?
It's because of this, I believe the "Robb died twice" theory. It's not provable in universe, but seems like what they were going for.
The point you raise about the difference between the First Men condemning slavery and incest, but the Valyrians embracing it, is really inspired and I think could have a deep thematic meaning. Aemon told us that "fire consumes, ice preserves", and we know that the Valyrians' quest for slaves (leading to Faceless Men, possibly their doom) and the Targaryen's practice of incest (leading to madness) caused them great problems. And we know that the Valyrians' bond with dragons may well be similar to skinchanging.
Some other points worth noting is that Arya's skinchanging is not just Nymeria; she sees through one of the cats that followed her back to the House of Black and White to see it was the kindly man attacking her. And, most importantly, **Varamyr is with Summer.** It's not remembered much, but Summer encounters Varamyr's pack, including One Eye where he lives his second life, and takes it over, and they are still by the cave of the three-eyed crow as of the end of ADWD. I do not think it is good that another psycho warg is so close...
I don’t think that the incest is responsible for their madness. Cruelty maybe but the "madness" is more likely caused by two things: 1. their obsession with magic/dragons and 2. prophecies + Bran most possibly f*cking up with Aerys's head either intentionally to set the things in motion or not intentionally making things worse than needed
Also there haven't been that many of them that were truly mad. We have Aerys II. (obviously), Aerion Brightflame, Baelor the blessed (different kind of madness but still) and maybe Aegon the unworthy? (Summerhall is still hidden in mysteries)
The rest were either good or cruel but never mad (Danny doesn’t count as she has yet to fall into madness)
@@Wolltazar Summerhall was work of the unlikely not the unworthy
The Prologue in ADWD is such a great chapter. Cant imagine being in 2011 and your first asoiaf media in ages is such a banger
It was great indeed, we had been waiting for a while and when the book was released its prologue turned out to be this gem. Good times.
It was incredible. Blew me right away. And all I could think of was how royally Bran had screwed up, just by having too much power and no teacher.
@mesterg6896 Horrible profile picture. Turn to Christ for the salvation of your soul.
that's kind of a sad thought :(
Strong Belwas has no opinions on skin changing, as he's probably not even aware of its existence
Just red that chapter last week. Amazing insight it gives, like how the bear varamir had hated him and it took much effort to warg him. He trashed for day and night, and even that doesn't compare to warging a human. Varamir only had brief control of the wildling woman before she scratched their eyes out and bit their thongue. Really goes to show how much raw power is required to warg a human. And how much more powerful bran can become
easily my fav prologue chapter, GRRMs ability to write short stories rly shines through here
Okay, I’mma drive to work so I can watch this on the way back. I don’t care that it’s a saturday
I thought it was Friday so I thought “wait, that’s not how Timezones work”
The amount of lore, worldbuilding and drama Martin managed to pack into that one prologue is just masterful. A true genius at work
Now we’re talking. Such a great chapter
I really like the idea that dragon riders are like powerless skin changers, they can’t control directly but do get the secondary effects. That’s what makes Jon so powerful, his Stark abilities are amplified by his Targ abilities (and maybe some of his distant blood like Dayne and Blackwood).
I wonder if Robb lived and fully established being King in the North (and Trident) If Skin Changers would be more common, that a deal with the Wildlings would be reached and there would be a place for them all to go to in the North. Maybe a role/seat on his own (or atleast version) of the Small Council.
With the benefit of hindsight from the show, the line about Ghost being "a second life fit for a king", it seems like a foreshadow of Jon being king. BUT, this statement could just as easily be applied to Bran and Summer.
That's an interesting observation. GRRM doesn't typically leave a foreshadow directly in front of the character it's for. It was Brandon not Rickard's statue that caught the torch, and the King eats and the Hand takes an ish doesn't apply to either Ned or Robert. Foreshadowing often has a much less direct relationship to the people we might assume to be the subject of it.
I think it's specifically because ghost is an albinos and also bigger if I remember correctly. It doesn't really work with summer considering direwolf are more common north of the wall.
The 6 skin prologue is the one I listened then immediately read just to be sure. Lore drops like that can get you through an entire book
Yeah, I had a number of instances listening to Roy Dotrice (who I love RIP) Where I knew I had to stop and pick up the book. It was like hold up, George tryin to be sneaky and slip a bunch of world building and lore right under my nose agan. He does that. You have to keep your eye on the ball with asoiaf.
TY, skinchanging is one of the most interesting things in this story
This may lead to something happening to Bran; Bran's usage of Hodor is technically breaking what Bloodraven has been telling him for some time. If Bran goes to commit abomination after abomination, then perhaps he'll fall to his own powers, or perhaps being left in an even more vulnerable position than he is rn, which could spell doom for the rest of Westeros, as he couldn't be able enough to destroy the Wights!
"Bran's marvels put him on a moral watch-list, not an epistemological one" - me, 2019. This narrative is a lot deeper than people give it credit for being.
Wdyt about making a video on immortality in AWOIAF? It's an interesting concept that is mentioned, but not deeply delved into by grum. Especially when you look at original way in which obsidian candles where supposed to work, and compare it with Faceless men 'religion'. Great video, as always!
If Time-Traveling Bran theory is to be believed, Bran will eventually commit an even greater abomination of skinchanging into humanity creating a human hivemind.
Also, it's always fun when the subject of skinchanging to live on in a second life to mention the Boltons and the updated Bolt-on theory. The original theory was that Boltons were using faceless men magic to somehow steal faces of their heirs to live on that way. The updated theory was that Boltons are skinchangers like the Starks, but would skinchange into people (can help explain how the Boltons could war with the Starks for thousands of years, even winning now and again). In that theory, Lord Bolton is still the original Bolton that skinchanges into his heir when he dies and living on again in a new, younger body who also happened to be a skin changer so the process can continue for generations.
A whole separate point from this video, but I just realized something.
In the books, Jon's eyes are said to be gray like father's, which could be interpreted to be a grayish pale blue. If Jon takes on some of the physical characteristics of Ghost while warging him, it could make him look VERY much like a Targaryen. Specifically, his hair turning white, and Ghost's red eyes mixing with Jon's blueish gray eyes to produce violet Valyrian eyes.
Just food for thought.
The thumbnails been clean lately 🔥
Enough about the First Men. The next video should be on "The Sins of Myrcella Baratheon, and the Heroic Acts of Ser Gerold Dayne."
Whenever I hear about the magic of the old gods, I automatically think about Michael talks about stuff, who imo brilliantly solved the whole system and theme behind the old gods
This! Your analysis of the author’s language choice is so good!
I am so cooked. I am so deep in ASOIAF lore youtube that Im getting to the point where this is the only thing Im interested in watching
Ooooh something out there. Love this! I will always tune into new theory videos
Great video! Keep up the great work. You touch on so many things other asoiaf TH-camrs don’t.
If you were a warg what animal would you want to bond with? I’m thinking id want an owl
This one is getting a pre-emptive thumbs up from me. That prologue has got to be my favorite chapter of the series! Varamyr is such a cool PoV
4:22 I’m not sure if that draft was from before the time skip was cut, but I’d like to think that it’s still relevant for the current story in a funny way. Like Davos gets to Skagos and tells Rickon to come back with him, only for Rickon to say “No” and then run off into the woods with Shaggy Dog 😂
You should do a video ranking Ramin Djawadi's best soundtracks.
re: all of the Starks having some level of skinchanging ability and all skinchangers having a strong amount of First Men descent: The North is the only part of Westeros where the blood of the first men still runs thick. In the current Riverlands, Crownlands, Westerlands, Reach, and Stormlands, and Vale, the Andals intermarried with the First Men so much that the two ethnic groups become one. There's basically no one that doesn't have ancestry from both cultures. And in Dorne, we aren't really told how much the Andals managed to spread into Dorne, if at all, but the Dornish First Men descendants definitely intermarried a lot with the later Rhoynar immigrants to Westeros. Only the North managed to turn the tide of the Andals back; the Crannogmen made sure that Andal armies that ventured north into the swamps of the Neck never made it to the other side and also never made it back home to the south, while other Northern houses defeated each Andal force that landed on their shores from the sea (and in at least 1 case, traveled to Essos to give them a violent reminder to stay out.) Northerners like the Stark children have the most First Men ancestry of anyone south of The Wall aside from the Vale Hill Tribes, and those north of The Wall have ALL First Men ancestry. This is very much not a coincidence
Old Gods True > Sevenism
Abominations? Sounds like citadel propaganda to me
Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I don't know where I read it but, I have the the notion since some years ago that a warg and a skinchanger are not the same thing in ASOIAF,a warg can only use the skin of a wolf, his own wolf, like Jon and a Skinchanger can use the skin of multiple animals like Varamyr, Bran and Arya. Am I wrong? There are diffdrent types of skinchangers? I know that every greenseer is a skinchanger but not other way around, please let me know if I'm wrong
No both names are the same. In varamir chapter it is said that the easiest animal to warg are dogs, they're practically made for humans, and wolfs are a bit different. But aside from that you can warg into any animal you desire, although each animal will take a toll on your psyche and permanently alter your personality
@@alilweeb7684 Nope. The catchall use of the term warg was show only. A skinchanger is anyone who can go into the mind of an animal, while a warg is exclusive to someone who skinchanges wolves. And not all greenseers are skinchangers, either, though many powerful ones have both abilities. So all the Stark kids are wargs, but so far, only Bran and Arya have shown themselves to be skinchangers, since Bran can use other animals (and Hodor), and Arya uses cats in Braavos. And so far only Bran seems to be a greenseer out of the bunch, though Jon has some dreams that might be green dreams, or might be dragon dreams from his Targaryen heritage. And we don't know if green dreams and dragon dreams are the same thing, but they could be. All we really know is that both are prophetic, and hard to interpret accurately.
I like to think that the relevance of Jon's parents has nothing to do with his right to sit on the Iron Throne, but rather with the fact that being a Starkgaryen (part warg, part attuned with dragons) he can probably warg into motherfucking Drogon.
Or Rhaegal...
Any of them, I'll bet.
I've also thought about this and for a long time.
It’s why I think he’s more powerful too, I like the idea that dragonriders are like powerless skin changers. So his Targ blood enhances his Stark blood, making him a stronger skin changer.
he won't warg into drogon
Varamyr's description of his mentor always makes me think of the 3 guys in The Mummy 2. "This is an abomination... that is an abomination....."
Just saying, at some point in Varamyrs life he was Varamyr Fourskins and Tormund laughed his ass off.
George said Bran will be king, but one has thought what skin he would be in like warging into Jon Snow and becoming king that way
Ah yes, as if Bran wasn’t evil enough already for taking Hodor's body and sanity (through that hold the door moment). Needless to say that he probably will cause the madness of possibly more than 1 targaryen king and who knows what more will he do, but him ending the series as a king in a stolen body would be cruel and evil as hell and quite possibly the saddest thing in the entire story based on who will be the body
Thank you for making this video. I have read the prologue to Dance twice and still had no idea what was going on! 😅But to be fair, this is my first time reading the books.
That ADwD prologue is such a great piece of writing. GRRM is damn good when he's at his best.
Thanks for this video!!!Love the books and the warging chapters.❤
hopefully Jon comes back more ruthless and more certain as a warrior. as well as him deciding that his "watch has ended"
What if a skinchanger controlls a person who is in a vegetative state? I bet that would be easier. And could they live a second life in a human body? Sounds like an interesting concept to me.
Varamyr should've warged Drogo
4:52 I could’ve sworn he warged into the dogs they were keeping and killed his baby brother that way. Because he tells the story of how he got caught by his dad killing the dogs one by one until he killed the one Varamyr was in?
i love your videos
i hate that listening to them makes me excited for a book that i dont think will ever come. i hope i'm wrong, but this one does not believe.
great vid tho
Ooh can't wait to watch this
Great video Quinn
Absolute banger video
the reverend mother: the child is pre-born and must be put to death… an abomination
Bran: huh?
reverend mother: oh… wrong universe
a bit random but i feel like it would be really cool if bran doesn’t become king at the end he becomes ‘god emperor’ (similar to to leto in god emperor of dune). Residing on the isle of faces he could become a tyrant of the world, having every criminal of even the slightest crime executed via seeing through the eyes of every being at all times. Could even have a thousand year time gap or something like in Dune where we have a new cast of characters, who try to overthrow this tyrant. Obviously this will never happen as we may not even get ADOS but idk i feel like this would be sick, and this way we can still have Jon as the king, and a ‘scouring of the shire’ moment for arya, giving her an actual reason to travel west of westeros.
I would like to see Winter is coming for Gendry.
Comment for the algorithm. Can’t wait to catch this one later.
I think bran is warging Theon in winter fell. I think bran is responsible for at least two deaths in winterfell. One as Theon (bran being the hooded man) and one as Frey(big and little can’t remember). It looks like Frey killed his Kin and he can’t explain it. Bran hates them more then anyone when they came to winterfell early on the story.
The heart tree speaks to Theon and then bran can start warging him as the next chapter is the prince of winterfell which could also be bran and I think we are winterfell once through Theon’s eyes and once through brans eyes as it is described twice in that chapter
A ghost in winterfell the ghost is bran in Theon’s mind
Great video
First thing I think of when I hear abomination is its use in Dune. Has a similar vibe to ASOIAF in its use
do you think warging a dragon will become relevant in the books?
3:44 "Martin didn't want a king to be a viewpoint"
And yet, who has the best story?
bran the broken
Victarion Greyjoy.
But in all seriousness, Bran is a key character to Asoiaf, and does genuinely have a good story(unlike the show).
I've been looking forward to this.
Faith of the Seven looking better each and every day
Join the Warrior's Sons, fellow Sevenchad.
@@josephbulkin9222 You know it my man
Their gods are fake.
Sometimes I wonder if the Skinchangers are based on Ghouls from conan/lovecraft lore
love your vids bro
Honestly might be my favorite prologue in the series sans GOT
Atta boy Quinn! Let’s fuckin go!
I just want to see Rickon Rise. It would be pretty cool if a tottally bad ass mad cat killler wargin all over your ass Rickon Stark was the prelude chapter of A Dream of Spring. I have always kinda figured he's gonna be the hero to rise in the end, and everyone scoffs at me for this. If he removed some stuff about a Jon Snow dream of Rickon slaying a Unicorn with ol shaggers, well that just makes me think Im right. Why would he remove that unless he decided he wanted it to be more of a suprise when Rickon shows up and starts takin heads off.
Rickon is the paralel of Aegon the Unlikely. The youngest in the house, has a companion that is looked down upon (Hedge Knight - Wildling), is on an unusual journey, older sibblings that either dead or in a possition that kept them from their lordship of their family's seat.
BR didn't use his powers for evil, he used them to keep control of the realm and to guide key people to what he thought was important for the survival of all
I’ve never liked the term Skinchanger it just sounds evil, I’m glad the show changed it to Warg. I love that Bran has committed two of three worst things a Warg can do, yet D and D still decided to make him King, on top of him being a minor and a robot, I’m sure that won’t end badly. They should have just made him Master of Whisperers or Magic.
Bran becoming king is from George. It's one of the three things he told D&D. The other two are 'hold the door' and Shireen's burning.
@@reyniknamyrion3557 I’m aware, I just think it’s dumb for the above listed reasons.
the only change that good about the show is aging up the characters, all else is bad.
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Jon being a strong skinchanger makes sense. He is descended from the Warg king who the Starks slew along with his sons and hundreds of beasts and took his daughter as a wife.
The real abomination is how judgy Quinn is. He forgets he's a SINNER! SINNER!
Bran Stark might become the Great Other when he commits the final abomination
The only one he hasn't commited is mate while warging, I don't think that's gonna be it lmao
@@alilweeb7684 I mean... Bran likes Meera, and he constantly wargs into Hodor so... 😬
@@Thomas-f6u PLEASE don't
Jon wargs Ghost and sees the Frost Fangs
I know GRRM mentioned that all the Stark children are skinchangers, but when does Sansa show signs of it?
The first men did practise thralldom, which is very close to slavery so they really weren't that anti slavery
isnt that the ironborn?
@@wolfgangstallionmusic5639 No the fisrt men did it too that was revealed in the World of Ice and Fire. Also the Wildlings do that
Bran has done 2 of the 3. I think Bran will use the weirwoods to go back in time a little bit, go inside a dire wolf, and mate with the mother of his very own dire wolf. He's young, he's not been told the rules, and his hormones are kicking in.
You are WRONG about when Martin Concieved Warging. When the Stark Children meet the Direwolves Jon Snow is warging into Ghost. They are leaving and Jon mentions hearing the sounds nearby of Ghost something no one else can hear except him. Ghost is called Ghost because he is mute he never makes a sound at all so Jon hearing him has to be him warging. Ghost has opened his eyes first and wandered off from his siblings this represents and foreshadows Jon being the first to open his eyes and Warg and the first to leave Winterfell going to the wall. I'm not sure if you read comments but It is clear Martin had something like warging in his head during the first book. He may have expanded it later but Jon hearing Ghost makes no sense otherwise.
I think he intended for there to be a magical bond there but didn’t formalize/elaborate on the magic until Clash.
@QuinnTheGM The warging or special connection was already there. He elaborated on pretty much everything in Clash and later novels it's what he does
Thought this would be about euron lol
Very interesting
Skinchanger. The word you were looking for is "skinchanger". A warg is a skinchanger who takes the form of a wolf or a dog.
I like your videos
Thank you!
Bran has already skinchanged both a man (Hodor) and a wolf (Summer) so man/wolf/man could be about him.
Interesting 🧐
Cool video
No way to discuss “abomination” without mentioning the influence of Dune, my guy!
4:46 a dog*
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11:30 THIS
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That little shit Bran is gonna do something none of us are gonna be happy about I fuckin' know it. That Hodor deal already made me feel queasy back when I first read ADWD.
He's already broken at least two of the rules without knowing it; the question is how much further he'll go, either by necessity or because he becomes a bit too used to having too much power.
@@thing_under_the_stairs I'm really worried about the third one. I mean, Bran skinchanging Hodor and breaking him psychologically had already made my blood boil, and the fanbase's been in tinfoil mode for so long that the Meera/Hodor theory's been floating around enough to make me legitimately worried. Hints are there for Bran to do something unspeakable when it comes to the third Abomination, and I desperately don't want it to come to that :(
@@thisrandomdude2880 I've run across that theory too, and it's getting into territory that makes me really uncomfortable, to put it mildly. I can absolutely understand the reasons that things might happen that way, but it's also so much of every flavour of wrong that all I can really say about it is, for the love of the Old Gods and the New George, please don't do it!
Skinchangers: Warg into animals
Greenseers: Warging + future vision
3 eyed Raven: Warging + future vision + past vision + fuse with a tree.
Hey
3:47 but queens get viewpoints its a weird hypocrisy
It's not hypocrisy to give Dany a viewpoint while not giving Robb a viewpoint. It's just a storytelling decision.
And when he'd decided not to give Robb a POV he hadn't yet decided to give Cersei one.
Martin early on decided not to give his big schemers POVs, and kings were lumped in with that. Dany retains her POV after becoming queen because her Slaver's Bay arc is just to give her something to do before it's time to head to Westeros. Cersei gets a POV in part because Martin regretted not giving Robb a POV so he took back his self-imposed rule.
Magic isnt in asoiaf only telepathy and telekinesis
Explain wights then
@@kynan1232 telekinetically controlled puppets by the others
someone tell this to Catelyn Stark so she'll go back to being dead
Explain Beric Dondarion
Both telekinesis puppets 1st of the others 2nd of Thoros of Myr
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