In her last scene in season 1, Catelyn goes into the woods and holds a tree. It’s interesting that she does this instead of going and praying in a sept. I think that this is because she wanted to try and find solace in the Old Gods, and in the absence of a weirwood, she just grabs onto a random tree. She mourns Ned’s passing by trying to connect to Ned’s gods.
That's an interesting point, but they are on the road and they haven't shown Cat to be all that religious (like it's mentioned but you never see her pray) so idk if it really applies in show canon.
@@domskillet5744the scene of her in the old Sept praying to the faces drawn on the walls is so incredibly powerful, but I have no idea how they'd do that in this show. The faith of the seven is critically underrepresented in the show.
@@hillbillypowpow*Enter High Sparrow to make everyone who knows nothing about the faith want nothing to do with it out of fear of dying of boredom lmao
I always get choked up at her delivery of "you've ruined your sword" to Robb mid tantrum. The words catch in her throat and come out with that raspy sound that would come from someone who has just been weeping. Her performance truly was incredible.
Yesss. I always get sad like "Why didn't they do that?" and then I remember that I'm an idiot because THANK GOD they didn't do that, they would've ruined it. Same for Wyman Manderly which I am always very salty is not represented more in the show, I'm still kinda glad he's a background character because the show couldn't possibly make him accurately the based obese man he was to the point where I'd be satisfied
@@Chiptune7 still though did they translate any feast or dance storyline even remotely close to accurately? I mean cersei's kind of but even that we're not 100% sure of
@@Chiptune7 My general thoughts at first about asoiaf characters that weren't in GoT was: but why, I love their chapters so much. Now it's just: thank god, they probably would have made Victarion a genius by accident, Jeyne Poole declare that she became a badass by being raped and the Manderlys being nothing but jokes because of their size.
I always took Cat to be a foil to Cersei. Cersei does irrational things to protect her family because she sees them as extensions of her vain and narcissistic self. Cat does irrational things to protect her family because she genuinely loves them and isn't an egotistical schemer.
Actually, Cat and Cersei are two faces of the same coin! While Cersei's love for her children is an extension of her narcissism, Cat's sacrificial love for hers is also irrational and self-destructive: she makes really bad decisions, without considering the long-term consequences of those actions, to the point of even refusing to acknowledge her errors: her capture of Tyrion for his alleged attempt on Bran's life, which led to the devastation of the Riverlands (her own family's lands); and, of course, her releasing Jaime which was pretty much signing Rob's death sentence, as Tywin would never orchestrate the Red Wedding if they still had Jaime under their power!
@@neriumsuitedher he says they are similar because they both would legit do anything for there kids for different reasons yes but Cercie I doubt would pull what catelyn did with the bran situation and the knife and then the whole threatening little finger thing Cercie had to rely on power is power true she’s right but catelyn had power and could Handel herself even ned notes this much about her keeping her temper in check catelyn can fight and can boss people around to fight for her Cercie can only boss people around to fight. Either way lena and Michelle are like besties . So I mean yea fun fact for Lena was actually reading for both Cercie and catelyn
In the books (and even the show) Cersei literally does virtually nothing to "protect her family," she blatantly doesn't care about her family outside of Joffrey and Jamie-and that only stems from them being extensions of herself (as you kind of stated) so in reality she's loving herself. Not that fair to say Catelyn inherently isn't a schemer either, when she got the letter from her sister it was written in a language they'd made up as children-she wouldn't tell Ned the full contents of the letter and immediately her and Luwin start beckoning Ned to go south..
I work with a girl who goes by Kat for short and every time she has clocked in for the past two months I hit her with the Bobby B “CAAAAT” She now comes in through the back door
people who claim they love the complexity of grrm's characters and then shit on cat aren't realizing that catelyn is one of the most emotionally complex characters in the series
we can recognize that a character is well written without having to like them same way we can accept that the character's intent was right but also know that her decisions were completely boneheaded driven by narcissism.
I dont see how that is the case. She is not very complex compared to a character like Jaime. her character is what exactly? arrogant, good intentioned but mostly incompetent woman who loves her kids a lot. shes the fucking peggy hill of ASOIAF lmfao. what complexity exists within her character or her arcs? I can understand fanboyism or apologia for literally any other character, even ones who were mutilated by the shitty writing in the later seasons, but not for cat lol. even lysa arryn is way more interesting, every cat chapter is a chore and she is totally just there as a POV she is not important in and of herself.
@@jzenhenko Jaime isn't complex at all, throwing a generic redemption arc to an ancient villain character doesn't make that character complex in any way, but just cliché and falling into a classic trope.
@@maximelover3314 hes more interesting than a mere redemption arc because he was already lowkey a good guy beforehand. He saved all of kings landing at the cost of his reputation. he buried this goodness and it returns after so many years, he doesnt discover goodness later in his life
I actually crack up everytime the Dickon joke is cut into anything. Guess that's a last act of rebellion of teenage me against growing up. Also imo actually genius, since it's 100% in character for show Bron.
Not bringing back Clive Mantle as the Greatjon is, in retrospect, an early sign of one of the ways the show ends up going wrong. What makes the books so great (to me) is how truly alive the world is. Everyone in it is always doing something and you can feel that through minor characters like the Greatjon. Like I fully believe GRRM could just as easily write a Greatjon POV as he does a Tyrion. To me, the show quickly ends up feeling like the rest of the world is frozen whilst whatever drives a scene takes place (after S3), because the minor characters just get less and less depth until they simply cease to exist and it is scene to scene big players interacting with big players. The original “King in the North!” Scene is a prime example of how you can give a minor character a chance to truly shine and advance the character of your protagonists through it. I distinctly recall being very disappointed when I realised the Greatjon was probably not going to appear in season 2 after he didn’t the first few episodes. The love given to his minor characters on par with the mains are what makes me love the books and the world. the lack of it is what made me slowly stop loving the show. Think about how many times after their deaths we see mentions of people like Jory Cassel, Fat Tom, Mikken etc. It’s not even though they have a narrative reason for continually being mentioned like, let’s say Ser Hugh of the Vale. They’re just small characters that your favourite characters love, and GRRM doesn’t want you to forget. Just look at how they treated Brynden fucking Blackfish. The North Remembers, but unfortunately it seems towards the end DND did not.
very true indeed, I've given little thought to why I felt the series was pretty empty and boring in its later seasons, and after reading what you said, I agree with you 100% yeah after they ran out of book material to adapt, the cast just kept growing smaller and smaller until we got just the same characters making the same jokes and/or discussing some idiotic strategy. but in the books you have so many characters that you can even remember all of them, which is why I think GRRM is finding it hard to release the winds of winter because of how many different stories he has to write and fit them all in the same book.
For a long time I've imagined this Red Wedding scene with the Greatjon that they could've added in, it would've made it even more so dramatic-sad-and reprehensible IMO (combining the book and what could've made for amazing TV): (show would've had to establish Smalljon as one of Robb's personal guards and both some of his staunchest supporters) Greatjon Umber is subdued in a rusty pair of chains, he looks over to see nothing but cold butchery, with his son sprawled out in the middle of the Great Hall coughing up blood-crossbow bolts covering him like fur, "Jon! Get up Jon, get up and fight!" A body beneath his son moves out from underneath, to the Greatjon's horror it was his King, and starts to rise, ("the king in the North arises!") Roose Bolton (clad in pink steel plate-fashioned to look like a man without skin) walks over and stabs Robb ("Jamie Lannister sends his regards")-before another crossbow bolt finishes off Smalljon; Greatjon starts growling intensely, tears streaming from eyes full of fury and rage, and like the sigil of his House snaps out of a pair of chains-blood running down his arms. He back headbutts the man behind him (knocking out all his teeth like the Mountain did to Oberyn, emphasizing how strong he is), takes his sword and lops off the arm of the second, and almost cuts the third man in half from collar bone to rib cage; Roose Bolton (without raising his voice) commands he be taken alive, Greatjon charges at him-an archer hits him in the calf, he keeps going, then another crossbow bolt to the arm, and on it went twice more before falling to his knees only feet from Roose (who didn't move so much as a muscle), men flank Greatjon but before he's disarmed he quickly stabs a man in the gut-then bites half the ear off another before being dragged off, howling in a drunken rage that he'll kill every last one of them.. Would've been even more impactful if D&D didn't leave out literally like 90% of all the characters from the book(s), we had literally two or three whole characters (not including Greywind) the audience knew and liked that got killed there 🤷 Imagine if they fleshed them out and we got to know them, and saw people like Ser Wendel Manderly take a crossbow bolt through his mouth, or Dacey Mormont being hacked to bits by an axe, or Ser Waynald Westerling drowning to try and free Greywind, or Robin Flint being stabbed to death by multiple Frey's...
@@CommanderLongJohn that would have been epic. GRRM writing really made you feel for those characters. I picked up ASOIAF after the first season and read everything because I was so hyped. When I got to the Wedding I had to pause as it was heartbreaking. What happened to Ned should have prepared me but it did not. The show's way of dealing with the Frey's was not satisfying to me...
I’ve always felt like Catelyn is a lot more like Arya than people realize. She can be rash and vindictive, but also puts her family first and just wants things to go back to normal. She also doesn’t hesitate to take action when she needs to (it doesn’t really pan out, but still. I’ve always wondered if maybe Cat would be more liked if she was a bit more successful lol). I don’t like Cat very much, mainly cuz of how she treats Jon, but I don’t necessarily hate her either. But I LOVE Arya, and I think it’s interesting that two of the most and least popular characters are so alike.
true. in the books arya is constantly compared to lyanna but she obviously never knew lyanna, and kids don't learn behaviour from dead people. she had to have got it from *somewhere*.
The success part would make a huge difference. I swear everything she does to "protect" her family ends up getting them in an even worse situation most of the time
Richard Madden and Michelle Fairly became very close during filming, and you can absolutely tell! Their on-screen chemistry is just amazing and one of the best in the whole show. Thank you for doing this video. Cat is one of my favorite characters, and I'm tired of seing "hot takes" that "Catelyn Stark is the devil actually" (wow so original). Also, "Hal, it's about cats" bit took me by surprise, so perfect lmao
Honestly Catelyn and Davos’ chapters were the best in the book in my humble opinion. They went so deep in the war details, Catelyn in the highborn and Davos’ into a common-folk perspective
Sheesh. I skip all of her chapters on rereads, besides the red wedding chapter. Funny how people can see things so differently. But I do love me a Davos chapter
I’ve been rereading the series and it’s straight up shocking to me that someone could come out of Catelyn’s chapters in Clash of Kings without at least some sympathy for her. I straight up shed a few tears by her last chapter; she’s spent the whole book on a futile quest to stop two brothers with irreconcilable differences from killing each other. Her son is at war, far far away and she can’t even send him letters, her daughters are held hostage by her worst enemy, one of them likely dead, her father is dying upstairs, and all she has of Ned are his bones. Then, while the rest of Riverrun is celebrating in some other hall, she sits alone with the news her two youngest have been tarred and hanged by the traitor your son once thought a brother. You are near alone, and feel like the worst mother in the world at that moment, woefully incapable of helping any of your children. You go talk to your dying father, about a childhood memory with your sister, who’s also far away and more a stranger than ever. He will not hear, and sometimes you feel like the only person who remembers your father isn’t dead yet. You can’t save him, just as you can’t save Bran, or Rickon, or Ned or Renly or Arya or Edmure or Rob or Lysa. So what do you do? What do you do?
I'm usually annoyed by Cat chapters and skimmed through them. But I wept so hard at that part, the page got all curly when it dried and I couldn't return the book due to the library due to water damage. And the scene with her telling Brienne about her dead kids broke something in me.
I never knew how much I needed this video. Catelyn is one of my favorite characters in the novel. I think she’s so wonderfully written and nuanced like all the characters from ASOIAF and I’ll never understand why some fans are so quick to hate her
the quickest way to rile fans against a character is to make them be mean to the one they all thirst over. In conclusion: she hates on Jon who is babygirl. How dare😡😡😡
Ty for this correct opinion. it's so strange to me (not strange, obvious) how in every single tv drama the female leads are afforded less nuance than the male leads and are often deeply hated by a section of the fandom. In thrones, Sansa and cat get it the worst of it imo. Cat's not perfect and, as many comments point out, her and ned's flaws are quite literally the death of them. Ned's naive dedication to honor and cat's stubborn dedication to her family. Best quality and fatal flaw. They are both double-edged swords. That's what makes both of them such damn good characters.
Sansa gets so much stick for being frosty to Dany when she arrives at Winterfell, but when Jon does it... Dany is the exception that proves the rule that the main female characters are hated for things that would be overlooked. Probably as she loved Jon, rather than resented his existence (Cat), dissented against his rule (Sansa), took his boss kill away from (Arya), or mostly ignored him as they barely interacted (Cersei).
I think Sansa gets more shit because of all the terribly-written and nonsensical decisions she makes in later seasons. That at least is justified. Hating her for being a pompous and then scared little girl in earlier seasons is just ridiculous, as is any hate directed towards Cat.
My counter argument is that by painting everyone who doesn’t like catlyn as a women hating idiot who doesn’t understand nuance is probably the reason why they get so angry. My personal judgment of catlyn and subsequent dislike of her isn’t based on any women hating knee jerk reaction it’s based on my own understanding, weighing, and perineal beliefs that lead me to say “I don’t like catlyn stark” That is kinda the heart of it, I can’t have an honest or productive conversation about her without ten people calling me sexist. Martin wrote a nuanced character character and by nuanced I mean people have good reason to both like and dislike her not just a pretty little descriptor to say she makes mistakes sometimes
I think there is some truth to what you are saying. Though I don't think either Sansa or Catelyn have less nuance than say, Jon or Robb. I often wondered why people holds so much animosity toards these two characters (Catelyn and Sansa). I think they are both well written characters, and their journey's makes perfect sense (overall). I don't believe that this is a sexist thing, in which male characters are more valued than female characters (by writters or audience). One could easily also argue that Daenerys and Arya are perhaps the shows to most well praised, and popular characters. I think it's more of a question of character-types, in which some types just seems to resonate more with the audience. Both Daenerys and Arya are sort of bad-ass fighters, and also outcasts. They both go against the grain and portrays as characters who had to fight for the things they have. On the other hand, Sansa and Catelyn are not fighters. Not in the traditional sense anyway. They are both not very independent and seems to rely on the people around them for help. Obviously, this is a simplification. I actually think they are more complex characters than both Daenerys and Arya. But still, the point is, that character-types simply vary in popularity, and the likes of Daenerys and Arya have always been in high demand.
Got embarrassingly far through this before realising that those flickers in the corner of my eye were, in fact, cats, and not just mild symptoms of an oncoming seizure
i don’t really leave comments on videos but your brand of humour is just so appealing to me. it’s always refreshing to see an opinion on cat that isn’t just “woman hate jon”. feel like people dislike her for similar reasons they dislike sansa (their femininity lol)
Yeah, I have been so baffled by the Cat hate circle jerks that talk about she's the worst mother to have ever existed, doesn't even care about most of her kids, is a worse human being than Cersei ect. Like, you're getting pretty irrational and clearly aren't capable of reading comprehension if you actually believe that. I get not liking the character, but the writing her off like 'she is the stupidest person evvaaah' which just seems objectively untrue to me. I think made bad choices at times, but she's clearly not a stupid person. You can do dumb ass shit for various reasons and still have decent intelligence. Most of the characters in this story have done something that was short sighted, counter productive, desperate ect. doesn't make them all morons. I doubt many of the Cat haters ever bothered to read her P.O.V.'s without calling her a dumb bitch every other sentence though so that could explain why they don't seem to have the slightest understanding of the character Martin wrote.
@le900 ofc femininity isn’t being overly emotional or naive lol. never said it was. tbh i was referring to people that typically bash characters like sansa or cat mainly bc they fit the more traditionally feminine roles of their world. like you cant deny there are ppl who constantly hate on sansa for not being more like arya or simply think cat is just dumb and call her a bitch all the time. although i guess my comment was pretty vague lol soz bro
@le900 as for jon, disliking cat for the way she treats him is valid (i acc really like jon). i just think calling her the worst for that reason alone is pretty dumb, especially given people’s love for characters who have done equally shitty things
In his final homage to the great George R.R. Martin, Glidus has uploaded his fifth GOT REVIEW, now to continue following in Martin's footsteps this is the last Glidus video we get for years.
Dude michelle is somehow captivating it takes u a second to be like wait I can’t decided then you leave in fucking love with her and thinking she’s beautiful I mean just look up young photos of michelle she’s definitely a beauty now and then.
@Ulises Leon I have watched almost a dozen of their videos, ranging from book theories to show criticism, to their entire "Cat Sucks" series, to even a couple of their livestreams. I did so with several others, and we all agreed they are terrible at basic analysis.
Catelyn is a good breakdown of the "women are wiser" trope. She is written as a wise and loving woman who does the best she can to protect her family. The subversion is that she isn't as wise as she seems and she makes some pretty bad decisions while she's trying to fulfill the same trope. A trope D&D use pretty horribly in the later seasons with Sansa, Arya and any other women character. George knows that women are flawed, after the the show ran out of books, they stopped being characters and became funnels for yas queen girl power scenes
It's less that they don't see women as flawed and more that they don't get the theming. Many female characters are shifted in a way that shows a less nuanced take on navigating a deeply sexist culture as a woman than the books do, even in the good seasons. Catelyn is made less important and her role as the political advisor of House Stark is de-emphasized (for example, in the books, she initially pushes Ned to accept being Hand of the King because she knows how much trouble a refusal would bring, and only changes her mind when Bran's accident sends her into a horrible depressive episode and she goes a bit mad with worry, while in the show, Ned is the one who knows he has to accept the position and she becomes The Hero's Wife, wondering why he has to go off and do Hero Things instead of staying home with her and the kids.) Arya and Brienne now resent women who do conventionally girly things. Talisa talks disparagingly about how she wouldn't grow up to plan balls and host dinner parties, when those have actually been _incredibly_ important parts of diplomacy and politics for quite some time and she honestly could have done more good staying in Volantis and using that role to influence their society. The show's conception of what makes for a strong female character is narrower than the books', and it gets even narrower as time goes on. Arya gradually losing her identity in her pursuit of revenge isn't a tragedy, it's awesome, because it means she gets to be a cool shapeshifting assassin. Sansa is glad she was assaulted and traumatised because it taught her that trying to be kind is for idiots and she should brutally murder her enemies. "Yas, queen" moments are the only ways D&D can conceptualise female strength, and they're very dismissive of all other kinds of strength shown by the female characters.
You know a lot of people give creators shit about not uploading enough content, but I don't think people realize how much actually goes in to making videos like this. GoT review is one of my favorite series, and I will continue to watch and rewatch every episode. Take your time man! You only make gold.
BTW I love "She's always a woman" by Billy Joel as a choice of song for Catelyn. Makes me think that another song for Arya would be "The Stranger" by Billy Joel
@@made-line7627 omg I love that song, the live performance on "Songs In The Attic" is the best version. @Glidus should definitely consider your recommendation!
The obligatory “the return of the king” comment Also, CAAAAAAAT Also, TH-cam is a dick and didn’t send me a notification And now I’ll go watch the video
Catelyn is the best female character George RR. Martin has ever written, and I stand by that notion to this very day. She was under no obligation to either care for nor love a child that was not hers and per as her own husband pretended he was, a reminder of his infidelity. Still, unlike Cersei who's answer to bastards is to kill them all, Catelyn allowed Jon to live in her home and be raised by his step-brothers and sisters. She is flawed, she makes a ton of terrible mistakes but in all honesty, who the f*** in this series HASN'T made a terrible mistake? She still loves her husband, her children, and actively fought for their well being and her last chapter during the Red Wedding was heart breaking and Michelle Fairley's performance as her in The Rains of Castamere was phenomenal.
@@CommanderLongJohn the fact Sean was in his 50’s would not make sense to cast a 30 year old do they wisely cast the still 42 year old Michelle Fairely hardly that much out of her 30’s I would argue .
@@kkandsims4612 She was 48 when Game of Thrones first aired, that's not "hardly" out of your 30's not to mention Ned still doesn't look *that* old; Sean Bean is Ned like Charles Dance is Tywin, but Michelle Fairley isn't Catelyn.
Lol, winterfell is not her home, it's Ned's who made the decision to raise Jon and would have done so with or without Caitlin's approval. Yes, she's not obligated to love Jon, but what exactly was stopping her from treating the kid civilly or at least ignore him?
By coincidence I was just reading the first book today! Can't believe in the book she said to Jon, whilst he was saying goodbye to Bran, "It should have been you!"
It has ALWAYS bugged me how much hate she gets in the show but I also don't think she gave terrible advice like everyone says. Besides releasing Jamie (which is understandable for her) She constantly told Rob what to do and when things went terribly it was because he DIDN'T listen!!
I love Always a Woman. What an awesome choice for this vid. Also, thanks for giving Cat her props. Michelle Fairley absolutely killed this role. Best performance in the entire show. A part of me still dies every time I hear that scream 💔
Thank you very much for this video. It always irked me how fans hated Catelyn with such a passion and yet proceeded to make excuses for Much more evil characters. She is a tragic character and not the simplistic bitch people make her out to be. Her chapters in the books are so rich in details and in-story analysis. Because that's how perceptive Catelyn is. People just find it easy to call her a bitch because they have the advantage of hindsight. They have the advantage of reading POV chapters of Jon and Tyrion etc. Catelyn doesn't have that advantage. Catelyn is judged by her haters under the rosy shades of 21st century moral compass.
Catelyn and Rob were (and are) some of my comfort characters. I know a lot of people didn't like them, but they remind me a lot of the people in my family who I love dearly. I did not see the Red Wedding coming, and let's just say I was distraught for WEEKS.
Such an underrated character in my opinion. She’s not necessarily the smartest or best in universe but a very well made character who I personally find compelling.
People give her massively disproportionate responsibility for the way things played out. We don't treat male characters like this. Nobody is angry at Ned for the decisions he made which ultimately set the whole Lannister-Stark conflict in motion, because we understand that he's not an omnipotent character and is capable of mistakes.
How have you made this a gender thing. just because Ned is male and cat is female does not mean thats the reason for people's differing opinions about them. Eggsplain yourself
When you love Glidus and Catelyn but the thumbnail sais literally the devil and you are scared to watch Edit: And then he says there us gonna be nuance and your like yeah love that😅
I honestly don't understand how you aren't more popular your videos are the closest thing I've gotten to enjoyment from the got/asoiaf series since season 8/i lost hope in grrm finishing the series. Love you glidey
this is an incredibly thoughtful and comprehensive analysis of cat's character and very well-written, but i just need you to know i would die for bear and mango
Also Cat hated Jon because she's a dynast, like almost everyone in the show. She's worried that Jon is going to try and undermine the position of her children as heirs to Winterfell and the North. That's why bastards are considered untrustworthy in ASoIaF, because bastards have tired to take over power from their legitimate half-siblings.
Second and third sons and cousins do it far more often. She should have hated herself, Bran, and Rickon. The one that really cracks me up is people using the Blackfyre Rebellions as justification. Wellllll...... Daeron was the Dragon Knight's bastard. This is HEAVILY implied.
@@jacobenke7936 What I said wasn't "justification" it was explanation. And how many examples of second sons and cousins usurping their relatives verse bastard children are there? Also why does it matter who Dearon's biological father is? He was officially as recognized as Aegon's heir and that's what matters. I was looking at the culture of Westros and how what that means for the characters. I think it's kind of ridiculous how people think Catelyn Stark hates Jon because she's a horrible bitch and not for cultural reasons. Explaining her feelings doesn't excuse them.
*smacks vein* Finally, more of that good ass Glidus content Also yeah, those videos on Caetlyn suck, I couldn't make it past the first one, if I even finished it. Caetlyn is such an amazing character, she's one of my absolute favorite characters in both the book and show.
I agree. I find OTGH videos pretty consistently are shallow and uninformed and lack all nuance. It’s the Rhaegar & Lyanna video they made that broke me.
Here's the explanation for the catspaw & daggar: LF manipulated Joffrey through a proxy. This proxy (probably Tyrek Lannister who 'magically' disappeared during the riot in ACoK) talked Joffrey into sending an assassin to kill Bran (Joffrey somehow thought it would make Robert proud of him). Joffrey is a dumbass who thought that an assassin sent by the King, should wield a weapon worthy of a King, & gave the catspaw the daggar. Things didn't go as LF planned, but the outcome still achieved his goal.
I don’t think it was as complex as that. I think Joffrey heard his mom discussing it and then heard Robert discussing it (I’m pretty sure Jamie even remembers this in one of his chapters) and Joffrey who was largely ignored by Robert in an effort to please him went and got the dagger from Roberts stuff and gave it to some guy to kill Bran. It wasn’t Tyrion, Jamie or Cersei so that leaves Joffrey. I don’t know how Petyr could have been involved, he wasn’t there and would have no way of influencing Joffrey. Jamie wasn’t supposed to be there he was horny and annoyed with not being able to spend time with Cersei decided to not to go on the hunt and snuck away with Cersei for some afternoon delight. Petyr would have had to have some advance knowledge that Jamie and Cersei would be banging and Bran would see them resulting in his injury. I think Joffrey just wanted to please Robert I don’t think he needed any influencing to do it.
18:08 full agreement here. Honestly the only other explanation that sits “ok” with me is it literally being Bloodraven. If it truly is Joffrey than I can accept that, but it definitely feels like a “mistake” on GRRM’s part rather than a truly satisfying explanation
Now instead of keeping tracking of the jetpacks anymore, we're now gonna have to keep a count on all the Cat pictures that pop up everytime you say Cat.
One thing I would like to point out is that Book's Catelyn and Cersei are two faces of the same coin! While Cersei's love for her children is an extension of her narcissism, Cat's sacrificial love for hers is also irrational and self-destructive: she makes really bad decisions, without considering the long-term consequences of those actions, to the point of even refusing to acknowledge her errors: her capture of Tyrion for his alleged attempt on Bran's life, which led to the devastation of the Riverlands (her own family's lands); and, of course, her releasing Jaime which was pretty much signing Rob's death sentence, as Tywin would never orchestrate the Red Wedding if they still had Jaime under their power!
Cat I would say is the hardest character to adapt to screen. Basically her entire character is her inner monologue. Jon also is very inner monologue heavy.
If I went through literally every reason I loved Cat, I might as well make my own video. But the simple fact that she consistently outsmarts Tyrion should not be forgotten.
@@cp-js4qi they just seem like a realistic loving. Of course their life isn’t perfect and they sometimes disagree, but they love each other and both value family greatly.
@@cp-js4qi you're surprised nobody really likes Cat? She causes the War of the 5 Kings by kidnapping Tyrion. Oh, no Littlefinger started it you say? No, Cat believed she could trust the most untrustworthy man in Westeros who she knew held a grudge over Brandon, and acted extremely irrational multiple times over him. She let the Red Wedding happen after freeing Jamie. The entire fall of her family on both sides is HER fault. I could go deeper and easily pin everything on her, but you'll just disagree and call me a he man woman hater.
When I see these posted it brightens my day, hope we see a season 2 version. It's just such a nice feeling to appreciate what made the early GOT seasons so good, rather than us all harping on about why it got shit so endlessly.
This makes me a little sad Sansa's arc didn't mirror her mom's with the pinnacle being her success getting the Knights out of the Vale, succeeding where Cat couldn't, instead of being so focused on becoming a limp Baby Littlefinger/Cersei hybrid
bringing the vale into the fold should be so much bigger of a deal than it is made out to be in the show. this is a pristine, untouched army entering a country completely ravaged by years of war. the side the vale joins should be heavily favoured to win at this point. littlefinger, as the person in control of this army, should be the most powerful person in the country. and they just ignore it.
@@Glidus I mean in D&D’s defense Cersei did use Console Commands to replenish all levies and removed the “Blew up the Pope” trait which was causing a pretty severe opinion Malus.
For real Galactic. After this I checked out their Cat video and it was painful. Was going to watch the whole series but couldn't get past the second video because it was beyond dumb.
@@jaked5560 You're lucky. I watched through their entire series, including the 3 hour livestream they did on the topic. I respect people's opinions regarding characters (I personally don't care that much for Daenerys, but still respect her as a character), but it is impressive how factually wrong they were about pretty much everything.
*gets the discord ping for this while my power is out & im on data checking emails as my phone dies* YOU BET UR ASS IM GONNA WATCH THE HELL OUT OF THIS RIGHT NOW
Plus the actress that portrayed her did an excellent job in the scene at the Red Wedding. Like, I never cared overmuch for Catelyn, not even for the usual reasons, I just plainly never got invested enough on her character to feel much of anything for her one way or another, but even then her final scene was just plainly masterfully done, like, I challenge anyone to not feel pity for her at that moment.
3:00 That never made sense to me. I would think it would already be there. I mean Caitlin can't be the first Stark that wasn't born in the North right? Also even if she was they likely would still have a small sept for visitors.
It's brutal the way I need to go back and pause to see all your hidden notes and pics. A joke mom, my parents are the best. The Cat every time you mention Cat .. priceless
It's so sad that Game of Thrones got cancelled after 1 season. It felt like it had a lot of potential and could have really been something. Ah well maybe this was for the best, it probably would have disappointed us eventually
cat was a good mom thrust into a literal civil war and forced to make wartime decisions that were unfortunately colored by both intense bitterness and intense love
In her last scene in season 1, Catelyn goes into the woods and holds a tree. It’s interesting that she does this instead of going and praying in a sept. I think that this is because she wanted to try and find solace in the Old Gods, and in the absence of a weirwood, she just grabs onto a random tree. She mourns Ned’s passing by trying to connect to Ned’s gods.
That's an interesting point, but they are on the road and they haven't shown Cat to be all that religious (like it's mentioned but you never see her pray) so idk if it really applies in show canon.
Woooow. I’ve watched GOT probably 7 times already and I keep finding new things.
@@domskillet5744yeah they sadly removed a lot of the religion from the show. Cat is a deeply faithful person in the books
@@domskillet5744the scene of her in the old Sept praying to the faces drawn on the walls is so incredibly powerful, but I have no idea how they'd do that in this show. The faith of the seven is critically underrepresented in the show.
@@hillbillypowpow*Enter High Sparrow to make everyone who knows nothing about the faith want nothing to do with it out of fear of dying of boredom lmao
I always get choked up at her delivery of "you've ruined your sword" to Robb mid tantrum. The words catch in her throat and come out with that raspy sound that would come from someone who has just been weeping. Her performance truly was incredible.
If the show had done Lady Stoneheart, they probably would've ruined her harder than the fuckin Freys and Boltons did
Yesss. I always get sad like "Why didn't they do that?" and then I remember that I'm an idiot because THANK GOD they didn't do that, they would've ruined it. Same for Wyman Manderly which I am always very salty is not represented more in the show, I'm still kinda glad he's a background character because the show couldn't possibly make him accurately the based obese man he was to the point where I'd be satisfied
@@Chiptune7 still though did they translate any feast or dance storyline even remotely close to accurately? I mean cersei's kind of but even that we're not 100% sure of
Thanks, dude. I kept being irritated that they didn't bother with Lady Stoneheart but in retrospect, she definitely would have been ruined.
But not having Lady Stoneheart ingerently ruined the story. Like having a blanket with a massive hole in it, the rest of it falls apart
@@Chiptune7 My general thoughts at first about asoiaf characters that weren't in GoT was: but why, I love their chapters so much. Now it's just: thank god, they probably would have made Victarion a genius by accident, Jeyne Poole declare that she became a badass by being raped and the Manderlys being nothing but jokes because of their size.
"KAAAAAAAT" - Robert
"KAT" - Peter
Best statements in season 1.
*the whole show
Peter as in Peter Dinklage/Tyrion or Petyr/Little Finger? xD
"Littlefinger saying only Cat would confuse the audience" D&D, even though they call her Cat multiple times in the show.
I always took Cat to be a foil to Cersei. Cersei does irrational things to protect her family because she sees them as extensions of her vain and narcissistic self. Cat does irrational things to protect her family because she genuinely loves them and isn't an egotistical schemer.
This is an extremely accurate comparison between the two woman , probably the best one that I've read.
Actually, Cat and Cersei are two faces of the same coin! While Cersei's love for her children is an extension of her narcissism, Cat's sacrificial love for hers is also irrational and self-destructive: she makes really bad decisions, without considering the long-term consequences of those actions, to the point of even refusing to acknowledge her errors: her capture of Tyrion for his alleged attempt on Bran's life, which led to the devastation of the Riverlands (her own family's lands); and, of course, her releasing Jaime which was pretty much signing Rob's death sentence, as Tywin would never orchestrate the Red Wedding if they still had Jaime under their power!
Cersei is an overt narcissist but Cat may be a covert narcissist. Even Jaime notes how similar they are.
@@neriumsuitedher he says they are similar because they both would legit do anything for there kids for different reasons yes but Cercie I doubt would pull what catelyn did with the bran situation and the knife and then the whole threatening little finger thing Cercie had to rely on power is power true she’s right but catelyn had power and could Handel herself even ned notes this much about her keeping her temper in check catelyn can fight and can boss people around to fight for her Cercie can only boss people around to fight. Either way lena and Michelle are like besties . So I mean yea fun fact for Lena was actually reading for both Cercie and catelyn
In the books (and even the show) Cersei literally does virtually nothing to "protect her family," she blatantly doesn't care about her family outside of Joffrey and Jamie-and that only stems from them being extensions of herself (as you kind of stated) so in reality she's loving herself. Not that fair to say Catelyn inherently isn't a schemer either, when she got the letter from her sister it was written in a language they'd made up as children-she wouldn't tell Ned the full contents of the letter and immediately her and Luwin start beckoning Ned to go south..
I work with a girl who goes by Kat for short and every time she has clocked in for the past two months I hit her with the Bobby B “CAAAAT” She now comes in through the back door
lol
I actually thought that was cool because he clearly liked Catelyn!
@MalloryNewcomb despite probably meeting her like once lmao
Also hi same surname! E on the end supremacy though fight me
Me, kissing my smoking hot wife: Not now, babe, Glidus just put out a new got review.
The height of wisdoms
Smart move
Weird Flex but ok.
Your right hand has a weird name
I put down a sandwich for it!
people who claim they love the complexity of grrm's characters and then shit on cat aren't realizing that catelyn is one of the most emotionally complex characters in the series
Doesn't change the fact that her character is cruel to her stepson when she should have been as cruel to her beloved husband.
we can recognize that a character is well written without having to like them
same way we can accept that the character's intent was right but also know that her decisions were completely boneheaded driven by narcissism.
I dont see how that is the case. She is not very complex compared to a character like Jaime. her character is what exactly? arrogant, good intentioned but mostly incompetent woman who loves her kids a lot. shes the fucking peggy hill of ASOIAF lmfao. what complexity exists within her character or her arcs? I can understand fanboyism or apologia for literally any other character, even ones who were mutilated by the shitty writing in the later seasons, but not for cat lol. even lysa arryn is way more interesting, every cat chapter is a chore and she is totally just there as a POV she is not important in and of herself.
@@jzenhenko Jaime isn't complex at all, throwing a generic redemption arc to an ancient villain character doesn't make that character complex in any way, but just cliché and falling into a classic trope.
@@maximelover3314 hes more interesting than a mere redemption arc because he was already lowkey a good guy beforehand. He saved all of kings landing at the cost of his reputation. he buried this goodness and it returns after so many years, he doesnt discover goodness later in his life
I actually crack up everytime the Dickon joke is cut into anything. Guess that's a last act of rebellion of teenage me against growing up. Also imo actually genius, since it's 100% in character for show Bron.
I laugh at it because of Bronn.
it is also 100% in character for the show itself..
@@alexmuller6752 bron the troll of blackwater
Ur so smert
How are you supposed to take someone named Dickon seriously?
He has risen again, and is back to bless us with another video
Cool
What is dead may never die
@@Eli-ux3wr But rises again harder and stronger
Not bringing back Clive Mantle as the Greatjon is, in retrospect, an early sign of one of the ways the show ends up going wrong. What makes the books so great (to me) is how truly alive the world is. Everyone in it is always doing something and you can feel that through minor characters like the Greatjon. Like I fully believe GRRM could just as easily write a Greatjon POV as he does a Tyrion. To me, the show quickly ends up feeling like the rest of the world is frozen whilst whatever drives a scene takes place (after S3), because the minor characters just get less and less depth until they simply cease to exist and it is scene to scene big players interacting with big players.
The original “King in the North!” Scene is a prime example of how you can give a minor character a chance to truly shine and advance the character of your protagonists through it. I distinctly recall being very disappointed when I realised the Greatjon was probably not going to appear in season 2 after he didn’t the first few episodes.
The love given to his minor characters on par with the mains are what makes me love the books and the world. the lack of it is what made me slowly stop loving the show. Think about how many times after their deaths we see mentions of people like Jory Cassel, Fat Tom, Mikken etc. It’s not even though they have a narrative reason for continually being mentioned like, let’s say Ser Hugh of the Vale. They’re just small characters that your favourite characters love, and GRRM doesn’t want you to forget.
Just look at how they treated Brynden fucking Blackfish.
The North Remembers, but unfortunately it seems towards the end DND did not.
very true indeed, I've given little thought to why I felt the series was pretty empty and boring in its later seasons, and after reading what you said, I agree with you 100% yeah after they ran out of book material to adapt, the cast just kept growing smaller and smaller until we got just the same characters making the same jokes and/or discussing some idiotic strategy. but in the books you have so many characters that you can even remember all of them, which is why I think GRRM is finding it hard to release the winds of winter because of how many different stories he has to write and fit them all in the same book.
The immersion stopped at Season 5 when they didn’t include Lady Stoneheart (and the brotherhood), book Euron, fAegon, Davos’ trip to White Harbour
For a long time I've imagined this Red Wedding scene with the Greatjon that they could've added in, it would've made it even more so dramatic-sad-and reprehensible IMO (combining the book and what could've made for amazing TV): (show would've had to establish Smalljon as one of Robb's personal guards and both some of his staunchest supporters) Greatjon Umber is subdued in a rusty pair of chains, he looks over to see nothing but cold butchery, with his son sprawled out in the middle of the Great Hall coughing up blood-crossbow bolts covering him like fur, "Jon! Get up Jon, get up and fight!" A body beneath his son moves out from underneath, to the Greatjon's horror it was his King, and starts to rise, ("the king in the North arises!") Roose Bolton (clad in pink steel plate-fashioned to look like a man without skin) walks over and stabs Robb ("Jamie Lannister sends his regards")-before another crossbow bolt finishes off Smalljon; Greatjon starts growling intensely, tears streaming from eyes full of fury and rage, and like the sigil of his House snaps out of a pair of chains-blood running down his arms. He back headbutts the man behind him (knocking out all his teeth like the Mountain did to Oberyn, emphasizing how strong he is), takes his sword and lops off the arm of the second, and almost cuts the third man in half from collar bone to rib cage; Roose Bolton (without raising his voice) commands he be taken alive, Greatjon charges at him-an archer hits him in the calf, he keeps going, then another crossbow bolt to the arm, and on it went twice more before falling to his knees only feet from Roose (who didn't move so much as a muscle), men flank Greatjon but before he's disarmed he quickly stabs a man in the gut-then bites half the ear off another before being dragged off, howling in a drunken rage that he'll kill every last one of them..
Would've been even more impactful if D&D didn't leave out literally like 90% of all the characters from the book(s), we had literally two or three whole characters (not including Greywind) the audience knew and liked that got killed there 🤷 Imagine if they fleshed them out and we got to know them, and saw people like Ser Wendel Manderly take a crossbow bolt through his mouth, or Dacey Mormont being hacked to bits by an axe, or Ser Waynald Westerling drowning to try and free Greywind, or Robin Flint being stabbed to death by multiple Frey's...
@@CommanderLongJohn that would have been epic. GRRM writing really made you feel for those characters. I picked up ASOIAF after the first season and read everything because I was so hyped. When I got to the Wedding I had to pause as it was heartbreaking. What happened to Ned should have prepared me but it did not.
The show's way of dealing with the Frey's was not satisfying to me...
D and D kinda forgot about creating a living world
I’ve always felt like Catelyn is a lot more like Arya than people realize. She can be rash and vindictive, but also puts her family first and just wants things to go back to normal. She also doesn’t hesitate to take action when she needs to (it doesn’t really pan out, but still. I’ve always wondered if maybe Cat would be more liked if she was a bit more successful lol). I don’t like Cat very much, mainly cuz of how she treats Jon, but I don’t necessarily hate her either. But I LOVE Arya, and I think it’s interesting that two of the most and least popular characters are so alike.
true. in the books arya is constantly compared to lyanna but she obviously never knew lyanna, and kids don't learn behaviour from dead people. she had to have got it from *somewhere*.
@@Glidus Oh god oh fuck I’ve been acknowledged by my para social comfort daddy hruugsuehs brain collapsing
it’s a shame Catelyn didn’t have elite shadow ninja training otherwise the red wedding would have gone very differently...
@@laurenbastin8849 *teleports behind Walder Frey* “Omae wa mou shindeiru.”
The success part would make a huge difference. I swear everything she does to "protect" her family ends up getting them in an even worse situation most of the time
Me: What do we say to maths homework?
Glidus: Not today.
Stop. Just stop.
“Catelyn Tully is the worst person who has ever lived.” Ummmmm but she never did though...
What do you mean?
@@europeanpatriot8031 Catelyn Tully never lived.
@@alexturlais8558 What do you mean by that?
@@europeanpatriot8031 she's not a real person, she's a fictional character
@@europeanpatriot8031 I mean of course Catelyn Tully isn't the 'worst person who has ever lived', because she's never lived, she's fictional.
Richard Madden and Michelle Fairly became very close during filming, and you can absolutely tell! Their on-screen chemistry is just amazing and one of the best in the whole show.
Thank you for doing this video. Cat is one of my favorite characters, and I'm tired of seing "hot takes" that "Catelyn Stark is the devil actually" (wow so original). Also, "Hal, it's about cats" bit took me by surprise, so perfect lmao
Honestly Catelyn and Davos’ chapters were the best in the book in my humble opinion. They went so deep in the war details, Catelyn in the highborn and Davos’ into a common-folk perspective
Sheesh. I skip all of her chapters on rereads, besides the red wedding chapter.
Funny how people can see things so differently. But I do love me a Davos chapter
Same. Catelyn's chapters is our only window to Robb's campaign in the 2nd & 3rd books and I always found Robb a more compelling character than Jon.
@@animatedink2529 Makes sense why you justify Catelyn’s actions and behavior towards Jon. Given how you hate the character.
@@Okkotsu86275 wtf he just said he finds him more compelling not that he fucking hates Jon
@@joeschmo4646 Indeed
You are literally the only thing keeping GoT relevant to me... Also shitty season finales.
I’ve been rereading the series and it’s straight up shocking to me that someone could come out of Catelyn’s chapters in Clash of Kings without at least some sympathy for her. I straight up shed a few tears by her last chapter; she’s spent the whole book on a futile quest to stop two brothers with irreconcilable differences from killing each other. Her son is at war, far far away and she can’t even send him letters, her daughters are held hostage by her worst enemy, one of them likely dead, her father is dying upstairs, and all she has of Ned are his bones. Then, while the rest of Riverrun is celebrating in some other hall, she sits alone with the news her two youngest have been tarred and hanged by the traitor your son once thought a brother. You are near alone, and feel like the worst mother in the world at that moment, woefully incapable of helping any of your children. You go talk to your dying father, about a childhood memory with your sister, who’s also far away and more a stranger than ever. He will not hear, and sometimes you feel like the only person who remembers your father isn’t dead yet. You can’t save him, just as you can’t save Bran, or Rickon, or Ned or Renly or Arya or Edmure or Rob or Lysa. So what do you do?
What do you do?
I'm usually annoyed by Cat chapters and skimmed through them. But I wept so hard at that part, the page got all curly when it dried and I couldn't return the book due to the library due to water damage. And the scene with her telling Brienne about her dead kids broke something in me.
I never knew how much I needed this video. Catelyn is one of my favorite characters in the novel. I think she’s so wonderfully written and nuanced like all the characters from ASOIAF and I’ll never understand why some fans are so quick to hate her
the quickest way to rile fans against a character is to make them be mean to the one they all thirst over.
In conclusion: she hates on Jon who is babygirl. How dare😡😡😡
The fact that there is a different cat every time he says cat has me in tears.
Ty for this correct opinion. it's so strange to me (not strange, obvious) how in every single tv drama the female leads are afforded less nuance than the male leads and are often deeply hated by a section of the fandom. In thrones, Sansa and cat get it the worst of it imo. Cat's not perfect and, as many comments point out, her and ned's flaws are quite literally the death of them. Ned's naive dedication to honor and cat's stubborn dedication to her family. Best quality and fatal flaw. They are both double-edged swords. That's what makes both of them such damn good characters.
Sansa gets so much stick for being frosty to Dany when she arrives at Winterfell, but when Jon does it... Dany is the exception that proves the rule that the main female characters are hated for things that would be overlooked. Probably as she loved Jon, rather than resented his existence (Cat), dissented against his rule (Sansa), took his boss kill away from (Arya), or mostly ignored him as they barely interacted (Cersei).
I think Sansa gets more shit because of all the terribly-written and nonsensical decisions she makes in later seasons. That at least is justified. Hating her for being a pompous and then scared little girl in earlier seasons is just ridiculous, as is any hate directed towards Cat.
@@pastlife960 Sansa got a lot of shits since the beginning when she was just a kid
My counter argument is that by painting everyone who doesn’t like catlyn as a women hating idiot who doesn’t understand nuance is probably the reason why they get so angry.
My personal judgment of catlyn and subsequent dislike of her isn’t based on any women hating knee jerk reaction it’s based on my own understanding, weighing, and perineal beliefs that lead me to say “I don’t like catlyn stark”
That is kinda the heart of it, I can’t have an honest or productive conversation about her without ten people calling me sexist. Martin wrote a nuanced character character and by nuanced I mean people have good reason to both like and dislike her not just a pretty little descriptor to say she makes mistakes sometimes
I think there is some truth to what you are saying. Though I don't think either Sansa or Catelyn have less nuance than say, Jon or Robb. I often wondered why people holds so much animosity toards these two characters (Catelyn and Sansa). I think they are both well written characters, and their journey's makes perfect sense (overall). I don't believe that this is a sexist thing, in which male characters are more valued than female characters (by writters or audience). One could easily also argue that Daenerys and Arya are perhaps the shows to most well praised, and popular characters. I think it's more of a question of character-types, in which some types just seems to resonate more with the audience. Both Daenerys and Arya are sort of bad-ass fighters, and also outcasts. They both go against the grain and portrays as characters who had to fight for the things they have. On the other hand, Sansa and Catelyn are not fighters. Not in the traditional sense anyway. They are both not very independent and seems to rely on the people around them for help. Obviously, this is a simplification. I actually think they are more complex characters than both Daenerys and Arya. But still, the point is, that character-types simply vary in popularity, and the likes of Daenerys and Arya have always been in high demand.
Got embarrassingly far through this before realising that those flickers in the corner of my eye were, in fact, cats, and not just mild symptoms of an oncoming seizure
lmao
A stamp of 6 months ago was January-February timeframe… you good now fam?
Heh, I thought it was just my migraine for a while!
Damn cats get everywhere!
@@neuralmute I wonder if it's his cat though, because different pictures of the same black cat keep popping up
@@jovial.milieu Probably! But one of them's got to be Ser Pounce!
"So she felt something fishy was up HAHA TULLY PUNS"
I laughed way harder than I should have
i don’t really leave comments on videos but your brand of humour is just so appealing to me. it’s always refreshing to see an opinion on cat that isn’t just “woman hate jon”. feel like people dislike her for similar reasons they dislike sansa (their femininity lol)
also the cover of she’s always a woman? chefs kiss
Yeah, I have been so baffled by the Cat hate circle jerks that talk about she's the worst mother to have ever existed, doesn't even care about most of her kids, is a worse human being than Cersei ect.
Like, you're getting pretty irrational and clearly aren't capable of reading comprehension if you actually believe that.
I get not liking the character, but the writing her off like 'she is the stupidest person evvaaah' which just seems objectively untrue to me. I think made bad choices at times, but she's clearly not a stupid person. You can do dumb ass shit for various reasons and still have decent intelligence. Most of the characters in this story have done something that was short sighted, counter productive, desperate ect. doesn't make them all morons. I doubt many of the Cat haters ever bothered to read her P.O.V.'s without calling her a dumb bitch every other sentence though so that could explain why they don't seem to have the slightest understanding of the character Martin wrote.
@le900 ofc femininity isn’t being overly emotional or naive lol. never said it was. tbh i was referring to people that typically bash characters like sansa or cat mainly bc they fit the more traditionally feminine roles of their world. like you cant deny there are ppl who constantly hate on sansa for not being more like arya or simply think cat is just dumb and call her a bitch all the time. although i guess my comment was pretty vague lol soz bro
@le900 as for jon, disliking cat for the way she treats him is valid (i acc really like jon). i just think calling her the worst for that reason alone is pretty dumb, especially given people’s love for characters who have done equally shitty things
I hate her solely because of how she treated Jon. There's no excuse for it. It's not funny, especially for people who can actually relate to Jon.
In his final homage to the great George R.R. Martin, Glidus has uploaded his fifth GOT REVIEW, now to continue following in Martin's footsteps this is the last Glidus video we get for years.
I do be liking the cat pictures all the way through
I will be 99 years old and on my death bed before he finishes
Never thought michelle farley was pretty until i drove past her in my van, nearly crashed it, very fit lady.
Dude michelle is somehow captivating it takes u a second to be like wait I can’t decided then you leave in fucking love with her and thinking she’s beautiful I mean just look up young photos of michelle she’s definitely a beauty now and then.
"Caaaat!"
"Can't talk right now, Robert, Rickon's turning into a cannibal!"
Tbh if bran had listened to his momma he'd still have working legs
HELLO AND WELCOME BACK TO THE WOLF’S DEN
Lol
The words that begin each and every one of my nightmares
@@GalacticArchive0 I get flashbacks just reading those accursed words.
@Ulises Leon I have watched almost a dozen of their videos, ranging from book theories to show criticism, to their entire "Cat Sucks" series, to even a couple of their livestreams. I did so with several others, and we all agreed they are terrible at basic analysis.
Someone had to say it LMAOOO
You’re so dumb for putting a cat image everytime you say her name. It’s hilarious and I love it. Stop it some more
Catelyn is a good breakdown of the "women are wiser" trope. She is written as a wise and loving woman who does the best she can to protect her family. The subversion is that she isn't as wise as she seems and she makes some pretty bad decisions while she's trying to fulfill the same trope. A trope D&D use pretty horribly in the later seasons with Sansa, Arya and any other women character. George knows that women are flawed, after the the show ran out of books, they stopped being characters and became funnels for yas queen girl power scenes
Not quite. Some of the other women still get the short end of stick
It's less that they don't see women as flawed and more that they don't get the theming. Many female characters are shifted in a way that shows a less nuanced take on navigating a deeply sexist culture as a woman than the books do, even in the good seasons.
Catelyn is made less important and her role as the political advisor of House Stark is de-emphasized (for example, in the books, she initially pushes Ned to accept being Hand of the King because she knows how much trouble a refusal would bring, and only changes her mind when Bran's accident sends her into a horrible depressive episode and she goes a bit mad with worry, while in the show, Ned is the one who knows he has to accept the position and she becomes The Hero's Wife, wondering why he has to go off and do Hero Things instead of staying home with her and the kids.) Arya and Brienne now resent women who do conventionally girly things. Talisa talks disparagingly about how she wouldn't grow up to plan balls and host dinner parties, when those have actually been _incredibly_ important parts of diplomacy and politics for quite some time and she honestly could have done more good staying in Volantis and using that role to influence their society.
The show's conception of what makes for a strong female character is narrower than the books', and it gets even narrower as time goes on. Arya gradually losing her identity in her pursuit of revenge isn't a tragedy, it's awesome, because it means she gets to be a cool shapeshifting assassin. Sansa is glad she was assaulted and traumatised because it taught her that trying to be kind is for idiots and she should brutally murder her enemies. "Yas, queen" moments are the only ways D&D can conceptualise female strength, and they're very dismissive of all other kinds of strength shown by the female characters.
You know a lot of people give creators shit about not uploading enough content, but I don't think people realize how much actually goes in to making videos like this.
GoT review is one of my favorite series, and I will continue to watch and rewatch every episode. Take your time man! You only make gold.
BTW I love "She's always a woman" by Billy Joel as a choice of song for Catelyn. Makes me think that another song for Arya would be "The Stranger" by Billy Joel
(Even though "Who Knew" was great)
I'm really thinking of Pod's song as "Billy the Kid" now
Just listened to The Stranger, good call. Maybe one day.
@@made-line7627 omg I love that song, the live performance on "Songs In The Attic" is the best version. @Glidus should definitely consider your recommendation!
@@FHT1883 Cheers, I love Billy Joel in general, though I f**king love Billy the Kid haha
The obligatory “the return of the king” comment
Also, CAAAAAAAT
Also, TH-cam is a dick and didn’t send me a notification
And now I’ll go watch the video
Great work, mate. Can't wait till season 2 and you make one on... Wait for it... Stannis Baratheon! Didn't expect that, huh?
Maybe that one will take LESS minutes to make?
@@Rabbit-uc5kg damn you! It's FEWER! FEWER minutes to make!
Catelyn is the best female character George RR. Martin has ever written, and I stand by that notion to this very day. She was under no obligation to either care for nor love a child that was not hers and per as her own husband pretended he was, a reminder of his infidelity. Still, unlike Cersei who's answer to bastards is to kill them all, Catelyn allowed Jon to live in her home and be raised by his step-brothers and sisters. She is flawed, she makes a ton of terrible mistakes but in all honesty, who the f*** in this series HASN'T made a terrible mistake? She still loves her husband, her children, and actively fought for their well being and her last chapter during the Red Wedding was heart breaking and Michelle Fairley's performance as her in The Rains of Castamere was phenomenal.
Michelle Fairley was a terrible choice for Catelyn is literally damn near 30yrs older than she is in the books
@@CommanderLongJohn the fact Sean was in his 50’s would not make sense to cast a 30 year old do they wisely cast the still 42 year old Michelle Fairely hardly that much out of her 30’s I would argue .
@@kkandsims4612 Right? Finally some age appropriate casting and this dude complains about it.
@@kkandsims4612 She was 48 when Game of Thrones first aired, that's not "hardly" out of your 30's not to mention Ned still doesn't look *that* old; Sean Bean is Ned like Charles Dance is Tywin, but Michelle Fairley isn't Catelyn.
Lol, winterfell is not her home, it's Ned's who made the decision to raise Jon and would have done so with or without Caitlin's approval. Yes, she's not obligated to love Jon, but what exactly was stopping her from treating the kid civilly or at least ignore him?
I love the determination that Glidus puts to add an actual cat when he says Cat.
Honestly, it really makes it funny for me.
By coincidence I was just reading the first book today! Can't believe in the book she said to Jon, whilst he was saying goodbye to Bran, "It should have been you!"
A lot of people have chosen Jon as their personal saviour, so it was an unwise remark if her aim was to become a fan favourite.
@@alanpennie8013 It's an incredibly cunty thing to say to anyone for any reason.
"You wish that me and Robb's places were exchanged, that I had died and Robb had lived"
- Jon "Bean" Snow
It has ALWAYS bugged me how much hate she gets in the show but I also don't think she gave terrible advice like everyone says. Besides releasing Jamie (which is understandable for her) She constantly told Rob what to do and when things went terribly it was because he DIDN'T listen!!
Ali expresses his gratitude for being included, thanks.
Ali? Really?! That's my actual name! Good to know i was named after a cat.
And now to my favorite hobby of rewatching the video and pausing to read all of the one second remarks
I love Always a Woman. What an awesome choice for this vid. Also, thanks for giving Cat her props. Michelle Fairley absolutely killed this role. Best performance in the entire show. A part of me still dies every time I hear that scream 💔
My heart always skips a beat when I see Glidus' channel in my notifications
Same, I look forward to these so much!
Thank you very much for this video. It always irked me how fans hated Catelyn with such a passion and yet proceeded to make excuses for Much more evil characters.
She is a tragic character and not the simplistic bitch people make her out to be. Her chapters in the books are so rich in details and in-story analysis. Because that's how perceptive Catelyn is. People just find it easy to call her a bitch because they have the advantage of hindsight. They have the advantage of reading POV chapters of Jon and Tyrion etc. Catelyn doesn't have that advantage. Catelyn is judged by her haters under the rosy shades of 21st century moral compass.
Catelyn and Rob were (and are) some of my comfort characters. I know a lot of people didn't like them, but they remind me a lot of the people in my family who I love dearly. I did not see the Red Wedding coming, and let's just say I was distraught for WEEKS.
I swear it’s a full out event when you post. I really appreciate all the work you put into each one of these.
Such an underrated character in my opinion. She’s not necessarily the smartest or best in universe but a very well made character who I personally find compelling.
When Osha was telling Bran that red comets mean dragon's, he was playing with the water in the pond.💧
the missing cat is at 8:52 and I don’t know if I’m proud or scared I actually found it
grats
@@Glidus thnx
People give her massively disproportionate responsibility for the way things played out. We don't treat male characters like this. Nobody is angry at Ned for the decisions he made which ultimately set the whole Lannister-Stark conflict in motion, because we understand that he's not an omnipotent character and is capable of mistakes.
YES
people act like burning the riverlands is a rational response to your son being accused of attempted murder. tywin is obviously the escalator here.
Says you lmao I was cursing Ned out throughout my entire read of Game of Thrones knowing how his carelessness pans out
plenty of people know it was Neds and Robbs faut, hardly anyone blames Cat stop lying
How have you made this a gender thing. just because Ned is male and cat is female does not mean thats the reason for people's differing opinions about them. Eggsplain yourself
When you love Glidus and Catelyn but the thumbnail sais literally the devil and you are scared to watch
Edit: And then he says there us gonna be nuance and your like yeah love that😅
I honestly don't understand how you aren't more popular your videos are the closest thing I've gotten to enjoyment from the got/asoiaf series since season 8/i lost hope in grrm finishing the series. Love you glidey
this is an incredibly thoughtful and comprehensive analysis of cat's character and very well-written, but i just need you to know i would die for bear and mango
Also Cat hated Jon because she's a dynast, like almost everyone in the show. She's worried that Jon is going to try and undermine the position of her children as heirs to Winterfell and the North. That's why bastards are considered untrustworthy in ASoIaF, because bastards have tired to take over power from their legitimate half-siblings.
Second and third sons and cousins do it far more often. She should have hated herself, Bran, and Rickon. The one that really cracks me up is people using the Blackfyre Rebellions as justification. Wellllll......
Daeron was the Dragon Knight's bastard. This is HEAVILY implied.
@@jacobenke7936 What I said wasn't "justification" it was explanation. And how many examples of second sons and cousins usurping their relatives verse bastard children are there?
Also why does it matter who Dearon's biological father is? He was officially as recognized as Aegon's heir and that's what matters. I was looking at the culture of Westros and how what that means for the characters. I think it's kind of ridiculous how people think Catelyn Stark hates Jon because she's a horrible bitch and not for cultural reasons. Explaining her feelings doesn't excuse them.
*smacks vein* Finally, more of that good ass Glidus content
Also yeah, those videos on Caetlyn suck, I couldn't make it past the first one, if I even finished it. Caetlyn is such an amazing character, she's one of my absolute favorite characters in both the book and show.
I agree. I find OTGH videos pretty consistently are shallow and uninformed and lack all nuance. It’s the Rhaegar & Lyanna video they made that broke me.
I lost it when they brought up "a knock" vs. "the knock"
Here's the explanation for the catspaw & daggar:
LF manipulated Joffrey through a proxy. This proxy (probably Tyrek Lannister who 'magically' disappeared during the riot in ACoK) talked Joffrey into sending an assassin to kill Bran (Joffrey somehow thought it would make Robert proud of him). Joffrey is a dumbass who thought that an assassin sent by the King, should wield a weapon worthy of a King, & gave the catspaw the daggar.
Things didn't go as LF planned, but the outcome still achieved his goal.
Thanks for bringing up straight facts.
I don’t think it was as complex as that. I think Joffrey heard his mom discussing it and then heard Robert discussing it (I’m pretty sure Jamie even remembers this in one of his chapters) and Joffrey who was largely ignored by Robert in an effort to please him went and got the dagger from Roberts stuff and gave it to some guy to kill Bran. It wasn’t Tyrion, Jamie or Cersei so that leaves Joffrey. I don’t know how Petyr could have been involved, he wasn’t there and would have no way of influencing Joffrey. Jamie wasn’t supposed to be there he was horny and annoyed with not being able to spend time with Cersei decided to not to go on the hunt and snuck away with Cersei for some afternoon delight. Petyr would have had to have some advance knowledge that Jamie and Cersei would be banging and Bran would see them resulting in his injury. I think Joffrey just wanted to please Robert I don’t think he needed any influencing to do it.
Only one cats reference in this entire video, I thank you for your restraint
it took all my power to hold myself back
The fact that you find a new hilarious thing to sneakily edit into every video has me in stitches, thank you.
"Clean your f**king candle wax" 🤣
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Best part of my day was just seeing the notification for this video.
After a shitty day this is like therapy :)
Thank you
Catelyn was (and still probably is) my favorite character in the show
18:08 full agreement here. Honestly the only other explanation that sits “ok” with me is it literally being Bloodraven. If it truly is Joffrey than I can accept that, but it definitely feels like a “mistake” on GRRM’s part rather than a truly satisfying explanation
I love the OFTGH shade lmao.
Now instead of keeping tracking of the jetpacks anymore, we're now gonna have to keep a count on all the Cat pictures that pop up everytime you say Cat.
Never stop these, I want characters upon seasons of in depth content, I can’t imagine the effort man, just sensational
One thing I would like to point out is that Book's Catelyn and Cersei are two faces of the same coin!
While Cersei's love for her children is an extension of her narcissism, Cat's sacrificial love for hers is also irrational and self-destructive: she makes really bad decisions, without considering the long-term consequences of those actions, to the point of even refusing to acknowledge her errors: her capture of Tyrion for his alleged attempt on Bran's life, which led to the devastation of the Riverlands (her own family's lands); and, of course, her releasing Jaime which was pretty much signing Rob's death sentence, as Tywin would never orchestrate the Red Wedding if they still had Jaime under their power!
Ok... so... I miss these~ And we never got to hear Glidus gush over his one true love Viserys~
This series has been rudely interrupted but it is not canceled.
"RICKON'S GOING TO BECOME A CANNIBAL!"
A random joke or an acknowledgment that he is on Skagos in the books?
Man, i'm so glad i found this channel. Funny af! Please keep making these - move through all the seasons with all the characters!
I honestly loved her as a character, her and Jaime were my favorites due to their more complex character.
Cat I would say is the hardest character to adapt to screen. Basically her entire character is her inner monologue. Jon also is very inner monologue heavy.
Catelyn is one of my favorites, don't care what anyone says.
She makes many mistakes, but all of them completely understandable. Definitely one of my favorites as well
If I went through literally every reason I loved Cat, I might as well make my own video. But the simple fact that she consistently outsmarts Tyrion should not be forgotten.
@@cp-js4qi they just seem like a realistic loving. Of course their life isn’t perfect and they sometimes disagree, but they love each other and both value family greatly.
@@cp-js4qi you're surprised nobody really likes Cat? She causes the War of the 5 Kings by kidnapping Tyrion. Oh, no Littlefinger started it you say? No, Cat believed she could trust the most untrustworthy man in Westeros who she knew held a grudge over Brandon, and acted extremely irrational multiple times over him. She let the Red Wedding happen after freeing Jamie. The entire fall of her family on both sides is HER fault. I could go deeper and easily pin everything on her, but you'll just disagree and call me a he man woman hater.
It really does feel like people's dislike of her is because she is upset at Jon, who they like.
please continue this series, it keeps me alive and makes me happy
Man i would love you review Tywin. My favorite character in the books and the show. Charles Dance is such a Top tier actor.
When I see these posted it brightens my day, hope we see a season 2 version. It's just such a nice feeling to appreciate what made the early GOT seasons so good, rather than us all harping on about why it got shit so endlessly.
This makes me a little sad Sansa's arc didn't mirror her mom's with the pinnacle being her success getting the Knights out of the Vale, succeeding where Cat couldn't, instead of being so focused on becoming a limp Baby Littlefinger/Cersei hybrid
bringing the vale into the fold should be so much bigger of a deal than it is made out to be in the show. this is a pristine, untouched army entering a country completely ravaged by years of war. the side the vale joins should be heavily favoured to win at this point. littlefinger, as the person in control of this army, should be the most powerful person in the country. and they just ignore it.
@@Glidus I mean in D&D’s defense Cersei did use Console Commands to replenish all levies and removed the “Blew up the Pope” trait which was causing a pretty severe opinion Malus.
For the Order of the Green Hand, fact, opinion, and theory are all blurred together
Shut up gal
They're a weird mixture of insightful (I like their takes on Doran and The Faith) and barking mad.
To be fair their anti Cat video was book Cat.
For real Galactic. After this I checked out their Cat video and it was painful. Was going to watch the whole series but couldn't get past the second video because it was beyond dumb.
@@jaked5560 You're lucky. I watched through their entire series, including the 3 hour livestream they did on the topic. I respect people's opinions regarding characters (I personally don't care that much for Daenerys, but still respect her as a character), but it is impressive how factually wrong they were about pretty much everything.
I love catelyn mainly cuz I love michelle Fairely is a beautiful talented and underrated i stan catelyn stark so badly .
*gets the discord ping for this while my power is out & im on data checking emails as my phone dies* YOU BET UR ASS IM GONNA WATCH THE HELL OUT OF THIS RIGHT NOW
Ah. He remembered his youtube password.
You gotta come out with more of these. Your humor is unmatched.
Plus the actress that portrayed her did an excellent job in the scene at the Red Wedding. Like, I never cared overmuch for Catelyn, not even for the usual reasons, I just plainly never got invested enough on her character to feel much of anything for her one way or another, but even then her final scene was just plainly masterfully done, like, I challenge anyone to not feel pity for her at that moment.
Oh my, I just randomly decided to watch your got pisstakes again and here you are posting new content. Marvellous.
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That never made sense to me. I would think it would already be there. I mean Caitlin can't be the first Stark that wasn't born in the North right?
Also even if she was they likely would still have a small sept for visitors.
robb was born at riverrun during robert's rebellion
It's brutal the way I need to go back and pause to see all your hidden notes and pics. A joke mom, my parents are the best. The Cat every time you mention Cat .. priceless
She's not SATAN INCARNATE, just kind of overbearing and mother-knows-best.
And, you know, hating the kid her husband had just because he exists instead of blaming Ned
Well she makes bad decisions. Doesn’t make her a bad person
@@kekero540 True, but this is just me: I can't forgive someone who hates a child just because it isn't theirs.
@@vicenzostella1390 I think that isn’t that bad of a thing considering Jon is literally a blatant reminder how she was basically forced upon Ned.
@@vicenzostella1390 She also basically risks both Sansa and Arya’s lives to avenge bran on flimsy evidence.
Why was I not notified this came out. Just randomly decided to rewatch your season 8 reviews and boom new got review
thanks for the free moogoo promotion
not enough comic sans though
my favourite mango = 29:34
29:41 :moog:
@@void_wyrm :moog:
25:15 Dream Weaver's Home World song from the Spyro the Dragon soundtrack :)
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wow an actual new got review episode! i didnt believe this day would ever come! happy it did though
The Return of the King
"Winter is coming" sure doesn't mean shit when the "long winter" is just some snow and a perfectly good amount of sunlight.
It's so sad that Game of Thrones got cancelled after 1 season. It felt like it had a lot of potential and could have really been something. Ah well maybe this was for the best, it probably would have disappointed us eventually
cat was a good mom thrust into a literal civil war and forced to make wartime decisions that were unfortunately colored by both intense bitterness and intense love
I'm still upset this show ended after 6 seasons and didn't give us an ending.
What do you mean? It ended after 4 seasons!
@@pastlife960 What show?
exactly. Winds of Winter is the best ending
Still mourning over Oberyn and the end of the show right after his demise...
@@agent5866 😂😂😂😂😂 That was the MOST SAVAGE answer right here