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- We have been showing you some gay-friendly things to do around Osaka for the past couple of weeks, but have thus far neglected a very important part - the nightlife! We will remedy that today and take you all to a local GMPD (bear) bar as we know a lot of you are eager to learn more about bears in Japan. Come listen in with us as the bar owner, Hideki-san, spills tea on the community and tell us what the gay scene in Osaka is really like.
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First, I want to address the minstrel Jim Crow era Black chef sculpture behind the bar. It was very off-putting and at first I couldn’t concentrate on the what anyone was saying in the video at all. I was also slightly surprised no other watchers commented on it. It’s an offensive caricature and I’m very curious as to why it’s there. If, as a Black bear foreigner, I walked in and saw that, i’d probably leave after one drink.
As for labels, I do agree that they are necessary to make things easier, but I will say attraction and chemistry have very little to do with our labels. If two bottoms go home together, clearly there were other factors at play outside of their sexual position preference, and that deserves to be explored as well.
I honestly didnt notice that statuette until I read your comment...I doubt the bar even knows that its offensive.
They prob do not know what it is. Most countries with rich culture like Japan and most countries in Europe do not teach much American history , if at all.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It is never our intention to make anyone uncomfortable or to perpetuate harmful imagery on our channel, so we apologize for this.
We reached out to Hideki-san, the bar owner, and he also felt the same and thanked you all for bringing this to his attention.
We hope everyone will continue to raise these issues to us so that we can make our community a safe space for all ♥
@@TokyoBTM I’m truly thankful for your response and advocacy. I admire this channel so much and admire most of all the open dialogue you’ve created in the comments. I have always cringed at the ties between “gay culture” and american slavery fetishism. Collars, harnesses, ball gags, chains…those weren’t exactly invented as gay fashion statements. Please thank the bar owner on my behalf. I do believe that it was displayed without bad intentions, but even so, representation matters, and knowledge is power. Thanks again guys!
@@TokyoBTM That's fantastic. You guys really do read all comments.
Yes we need labels! We just need to teach people that a label is only a practical thing. It's the unrelated prejudices around the labels that are problematic. I am very comfortable with my labels, because they allow me to navigate the world in a more efficient and friendlier way, instead of trying to find everything out on my own. It's like discovering a new city with a map, it's just direction, nothing more. Makes life easier. the problem starts when people start assuming that because I use a map, I must be into make-up, or cereal or *insert random unrelated thing.*
Very this.
Definitely. I think overall if the community relaxed a bit and saw things this way (as just a way to help people find each other) it'd be a lot better. Great point.
This this this.
I'm fine with labels it makes things easier. But when the gay community goes around saying shit like 'oh all vers are just bottoms', or 'ill never date a bi person because they're all selfish or bisexuals are just gays'....then I'm not ok
In the U.S. we call a dominate bottom, a "Power BTM". Osaka seems like an awesome laid-back place. I'm sorry to hear of the Japanese Court ruling on a constitutional ban in Gay Marriage. Still much work to do for equality. Cheers Guys.
It was such a shocking news. I even found it ironic that we made this month an Osaka month... well well
@@TokyoBTM not super shocking though. In previous videos you show that even gay Japanese men don't have any interest in gay marriage being legalized.
@@awesomestuff92 most likely just want to have sexual encounters. Me a Poly can understand since I don’t want romance I just want to have sexual fun or fuck many bottoms or power bottoms male, female herm/inter
That bar tender is very cute! Such a nice open expression. He has a nice smile also in his eyes.
Best video you’ve put out in a while! I laughed all the way through. Seems like a great place to spend an evening, and the bar owner is really cute!
It has been a while for our gay bar adventure. 😜
Do you know when Japan is opening up to solo tourists again. I know licensed coach tours started on June 10. I would be flying in from China, a designated blue country.
Ikr yeah so damn true .
Ikr yeah so damn true .
As an Australian, seeing the name dungaree and the owner wearing a North Face jumper is really giving me good vibes already
What’s a "North Face jumper" mate?
Hideki-san is totally adorable! Love Osaka, you both are fab interviewers 🌈🙏🏽✨😎🤲🏽🤩
While I think people who decry "labels" are speaking with good intent, I think they're generally falling for the false idea that to achieve an equitable world, we must level all difference between people. Rather, we should learn to celebrate difference and diversity. There are so many ways to live our lives, and so many colorful background we come from. Why would you want to homogenize that?
Thanks for this! I never had the courage to go to gay bars here in Osaka, but you made me want to go there. It was a great video!!! Glad they can speak English haha 😂
I’m definitely going to have to visit Osaka. This guy seems like he’s a lot of fun and the assigned seats should be interesting. 😉
OMG! I love this channel so much that was a great conversation. Yes there are many types of 1's and 0's.
Hideki-San made this video for me. His openness and personality riffed off of yours so well.
Personally, when I was coming into accepting myself as a lesbian, I didn’t initially use the word lesbian to describe myself. I used WLW, or didn’t use labels. But I think that’s because I was afraid of the label of lesbian being associated with me since in my family and wider Hispanic culture, being gay is something that is tolerated just as long as you don’t talk about being gay. Especially when your talking to older people, this mentality is strong. I guess they want to forget that your queer? Maybe they want to keep that stuff hidden. Out of sight, out of mind type of stuff. But I don’t think they, the older person, will forget, and neither should you as a queer person.
The host was wild 🤣🤣🤣😍😍
Awww interesting interview!! the guy who was interviewed seems really nice person eh~ btw I saw Andrew san on TV😁
that's really cool😆
Andrew-san is a TV star ;)
Another great interview!
I love these types of videos. You really do such a great job of showcasing the bar culture in Japan. I can’t wait to visit one day! I wish these kind of bars where the focus is on talking and meeting people existed more outside Japan. I always feel like lost in bars in ny but Japanese bars seem like a great place to make friends and meet new people
Meng, when the bartender said that "the people from Osaka were open and friendly," that answered my question about what I heard about Osakan people's reputation. 👍🏻 🇺🇸🤝🇨🇳🇨🇦 Edit: Andrew & Meng, right now, same-sex married couples have a hell of a time obtaining a visa to enter Japan if 1 partner is a non-Japanese national. 👬 Something about sponsorship? 🙆🏻♂️
Unfortunately, i havent heard any updates regarding same-sex married couples visa situation. it can be great info for a lot of people, so we may do a video on the topic
Brilliantly done! Your best video ever, I think.. So well edited and so entertaining! Very well done. (and once again - I never get a notification from TH-cam for your channel ... )
I love that you guys do these (and take such care in your editing and subtitling). It's so fun to see what all these bars and gay culture is like in Japan, especially since I'll probably never make it! Even if you end up overlapping "genres" of bars, hearing the interviews with the owners is always so interesting. Keep it up!! Happy Pride from Midwest, US. 🌈
I love these subtitles, makes it more enjoyable and fun to read!
I love the bar interviews ☺️
This was such fun! It made my day!
This is so my favorite YT channel. I'm a bit of an introvert and only really have straight friends. The conversation you three had was more relatable than any I have in RL. You two are the best at keeping it real 💖
What another great video guys and I find it funny that fact that we’re talking about bears. Because I took interest in bears just recently and I kinda into it.
I so regret procrastinating watching this video because of having to commit to reading subtitles! It was so fun and informative and just flows with the banter in between. Could you have him back please for another video on a different topic?🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I can't say if having labels in the gay community is a good thing as Im not gay but in terms of kink, the labels are like a guide to help you find what you're interested looking for.
With gay marriage I definitely think it's hugely important for every society. It's more then the piece of paper, it gives equal rights to couples legally and shows equality to straight marriage in modern society. My aunt was gay when it was still illegal in the UK, now she's proudly married to the love of her life.
also this video is amazing, I love these interviews where you learn first hand experiences from people who we wouldn't hear from other wise in main stream media.
Such a nice video! It would be so interesting to interview also people in the bar but I understand it could be complex 😊
Next time if we get permission!
What a fun video. I always enjoy learning from you both but I think this is one of my favorite video you have done. And I think Andrew
said it very well about labels. Unfortunately, we do not yet live in a kumbaya world where we don’t need labels. I hope we get there but right now i am pessimistic. Thanks again for the fun video!
Thank you for having such a good conversation in Japanese. Im learning and it was so nice to pick up new words ❤❤❤
This was fantastic!
I tapped on the notification in 30 seconds. I love the channel!
Thanks for the video. Hanging at Dungaree tonight
I enjoyed this video a lot. Great conversation between you and the club owner. He reminds me of the club owner in tokyo with no pretense whatsoever. Hehe.
Thanks for making these videos explaining gay culture in Japan. It's so fun learning new things.
Another great episode. Even without those edits that I love because I love that type of humor...it's really interesting to see just normal people. And I've also learned from this channel. Like " hao xiang gan ni" and other words that aren't so forward as to what your intent is. And yeah I know that phrase is not japanese.
I love this type of videos
Very instructive video, thank you.
I loved it. 💙😁 Now I want to visit Osaka
So nice :D Can't wait for covid restriction to go down so I can go to Osaka too :D
I WAS WORIED that there wasn't a video last week :/ Thought that you guys were kidnapped ;P
Interesting content as always
What a great talking! I hope one day to visit Japan and go to places like this one!
I struggle with the TOP and BTM question a lot because I really don't know what to answer. It totally depends on who my partner is and on my mood. I also don't want to be restricted to one position....
Fun. This was a lot of fun. I learned quite a bit as well, so thank you teachers 😁👍🏻
Great video on a fascinating topic boys. The problem with most labels is that we’re all individual and unique. It’s useful to know if a guy’s top or bottom only for ‘mechanical’ compatibility. All other labels are unnecessary as the voyage of discovery is so much more fun when you don’t know the destination. Also, the more I learn about Meng the more adorable and exciting he becomes 🥰🔥❤️
What a super cute bar I’d love to go visit one day!!!
I have never wanted to live in Japan more, Dualingo should sponcer you because I'm sure I'm not the only person who has signed up because of you both. Big love from the Ireland Tops
Pride (in anything, not just Gay Pride) cannot exist without labels! Not that I feel they should be compulsory and people can use them fluidly, but they are needed for identity.
Thank you for the video! Brilliant as always!
I have to say I love seeing how different Japan's gay culture is compared to the US. Japan's bear culture is fascinating and one day I would love to experience it firsthand (tho I'm getting on in years so I better hurry up and do it!) I could also watch hours more of you guys talking to the bar owner, he seems wonderful and warm and friendly.
wow, he’s the friendliest I’ve seen yet! I wanna come talk already 😆
What a cute daddy! I’m literally devouring your Osaka videos! Visiting in October and can’t wait to explore
10:40 When he said "...painted on me" I thought he meant like a quirky post sex body painting artist type. But the hashtags after.....he wasn't talking about Bob Ross style painting, was he?
OMG... I'm really slow. I just realized what that meant. 💩
Oh Osaka people. The best.
I visited this bar on my 1st Japan trip in Dec2022 because I watched this video and it was FUN. But I got wasted! LOL fun place and met foreigners and locals. Good vibe.
We are not prepared for no labels! There's to much to fight, a lot of rights to conquer. Here in Uruguay we have same-sex marriage, but there is a lot of work to do. 4 years ago all citizen had to vote if a law, named Trans Law, because some bigots don't like to give rights. This lae enabled trans people 3 things: change your name and sex in our national ID, 1% of the public jobs must be filled with trans people, a compensation for trans which suffer institucional discrimination during the dictatorship. Sorry 4 the history/law class. Love 💟 from Uruguay 🇺🇾. Continue to doing this great job
‘Dungaree’ seems like a great place 👏🏽
From the US, I do not like labels. My partner and I have been together 34 years. If someone asked me who is top or bottom I would turn around and not speak to them again.
The issue is not "labels" per se. Labels are simply there to help navigate the world, to identify self-referential groups, etc. The problem is when labels are used in the Procrustean manner. Be it imposed by others or by oneself ("I am X, all X have these traits, therefore I, too, must have these traits"). Yet I think that this (potential) problem does not warrant throwing the baby out with the water. In fact, removing the labels might lead to curious conundrums and makes harder to explain, e.g., why some Bob is not an ultimate misogynist (here, the line of thinking goes like this: Bob does not desire sex with women; he discriminates women as sexual partners; therefore, he is a misogynist). A label allows to simply explain: Bob is gay.
Super interesting
I love how the bartender Hideki-San’s face gives pure “wtf are they talking about” when they go down the labels rabbit hole, and he pretends to understand/agree
I never the world needed a Twink Otter Cupid. You learn something new everyday.
Your videos are always so informative and super-fun. Thanks.
This is awesome... Even tho I've been to Japan many times I haven't gotten to the gay bars much outside of Shinjuku. This is great as in going to Osaka in June. 🎉😊
¡This was delightful! So, ¿have you found the Osaka tops yet? (or ¿bottom-tops?)
USA here, and okay with labels and okay without them; nice if they don't get misused though
based on what do you know it's a gay bar? ... enjoyed the open conversation you had guys!
honestly the whole focus on top or bottom is a bit weird to me.
I can't imagine just being 'one role'. I would have missed out on a lot of very good lovers (most were versatile).
Also, I feel like the whole penetrating thing is not that big of a focus for many Western gays....
But hey, it's a cultural thing, there are no 'rights' or 'wrong', and in the end, we're all pink brothers and sisters.
I dislike it when people devote so much effort to reinventing gender roles for gay men by 1) reducing every guy to BEING a bottom or top instead of LIKING bottoming or topping and 2) subsequently ascribing personality traits to "tops" and "bottoms". That is precisely what we do not need.
Great video as always!!!
I would like to comment about the label thing... I think that the main thing Andrew was trying to defend is the idea of community, and with that I totally agree. Labels and communities walk together but they are different things, label it's just a word that try to identify something, community is an political thing and through that we are able to fight, defend and conquer things. Here in Brazil we have an large gay community and there are a lot of discussions today between the last generation of LGBTQIAP+ and the newest one about this whole idea of labels versus standards. Even the crowds of the parties here are fun to see. When you go in a "tradicional" gay party above 30 yrs old people, you'd see kind of the same style of wearing and acting. When you go to a party under 30, you'd notice a bunch of differences, which doesn't make one or other better, but it helps to show up the clear differences inside our community when we talk about generation and way of thinking and being. (it's a complex theme 🥲)
havent finished the vid yet but at 14:02 the couple(?) looked so uncomfortable haha
I agree with Andrew. Labels are helpful.
The host is very affable and a great guy.
I guess the opposite of a power bottom is what I heard of was a “soft-top” have you guys heard of this?
All I could think of in this video is how handsome I think the bar owner is. He is really my type. Of course I think Andrew and Meng are also very handsome, just too young for me.
1:10, narrow stair way
Why would Americans get huffy about the 1700 yen charge??? When 1700 yen in $12.50 in USD that would be one drink at the bar and you do not even get food with it. Bears (GMPD) love to have food at our bars so it sounds perfect to me,
I dunno... the idea of serving a meal at a gay bar seems a bit strange to me. I mean, if guys are serious about getting down to business, I don't think curry rice is the best idea.
@@hejiranyc At a Bear Beer Bust or event it is tradition. From what I heard from GMPD in Japan bars are for socializing not necessarily hooking up in every case. So food sound perfect to me.
Cuuute
I think the bartender/owner is very handsome.
You guys go to so many gay bars and clubs. What would your dream bar/ club be if money, location and logistics were taken care of? Like interior design, vibe, theme, size, clientele base, etc.
Do you guys shoot in 4k and then downscale it to 1080p during the editing, or straight away shoot in 1080p when using the osmo pocket 2 ?
I want to move to Japan. I was thinking about Tokyo but now I want Osaka! LOL
I sooo wanna visit, damn have to be my bear self in japan!
on the 3 big hattenbas in osaka -- so which one, exactly, is young-leaning, which older-leaning, and which mixed? i'd guess hokoukan is the mixed or older-leaning
I like my labels. Labels can be important to people who struggled finding themselves, I'm in this group. I'm a proud power bottom vers, pan demisexual (ace) Meng definitely gives power bottom energy. Sub tops and power bottoms are often forgotten about unless you know a bit about bdsm but not all pb and st are into bdsm.
Have you heard of a “soft top”? Do a video on labels in the gay community.
おもしろいですよ。The assigned seating and the bar staff playing Cupid is especially different! Definitely not in a bad way. It is very charming. I have one question. It is likely an unusual request, de mo, is it possible to order something non-alcoholic? I have no objection to giving my drink to the barkeep if not and みずをのみます。Labels are good only for finding our types and helping others identify with us. Otherwise, they are uncomfortable. Yes we do need them though. ありがとうございました。ビデオがすきです。じゃあーまたね。
Yes, softdrink is always an option. dont worry if you cant drink alcohol
@@TokyoBTM Thanks so much for that speedy reply~ good to know❤️ It's very much as much of a choice as it is necessity.
Fun and funny
I wonder if three American bears come to his bar, what’s his reaction when he see big hairy men from USA?
Let’s go and find out lol
Hideki-san is hot. 🔥
The gayest thing this video is the speed at which you guys walk with :)
very relatable
I just had an additional thought on the whole "Labels, Good or Bad" debate. You guys need to conduct an experiment in the name of science. Since Meng is heavily leaning towards the labels are bad side of the debate, Meng will conduct the experiment and Andrew will observe to ensure that Meng complies with the constraints of the experiment and does not cheat. The premise of the experiment is that Meng will go to a bathhouse to find a sexual partner or two but he cannot ask anyone what their sexual preference is as far as position goes and he also cannot tell anyone what his preference is. Of course you will need to find a bathhouse that has men that would interest Meng and where he would also fit the type that people who go there are looking for. In other words, a bathhouse that attracts body builder types probably would not work. Here is the hard part of this... Meng cannot already be a known commodity there. He will need to be fresh unknown meat at this location. Is that even possible for any part of Japan? Sorry Meng, I did not know how else to put that. For what it is worth, I am not calling you a slut, just acknowledging your new found popularity. This could be a very interesting experiment if done right. Can Meng successfully hook-up without discussing sexual preference? Will he get frustrated very quickly and breakout the labels to accomplish his goal? Andrew will the eyes and ears of this experiment so science will get an answer. Think about it. I know that there are some difficulties that will need to be navigated but the Nobel prize in gay sexual sciences is calling. Pull this off and you guys would be legends.
Being someone who loves to "go down" but still controls when the receiver gets the happy ending ... would I be a bottom or a top in Japan? 😈😎
Babylon bangkok is closed down?? :( I was planning on going there this September
Do you have plans to make content regarding the intersex community? (I guess, the Japanese term is futanari? But like legit born that way & both reproductive systems fully functional in one body)
How about polyamory?
There’s a difference between labels and vocabulary: If I call someone an Aroace pansexual who’s versatile, I’m not labelling. It’s vocabulary, but if someone uses the word ‘gay’ or ‘lesbian’ in a derogatory manner or employs a slur, that’s labelling.
Both Andrew and Meng round out the argument beautifully.
I agree, it's only labeling if it's used in a reductive or derogatory way. We express our identities to others, and to ourselves, through language.
As an introvert, social venue like bar is a big no no for me. The question of where to find my type does hit me hard. SNS is the only way for me an unstable scaredy to find guy around lol. But i do dream to visit this awesome gay bars in japan
So, question: when you see someone in Japan casually displaying their racist Sambo statue, should you mention it or would they just not care?
Thank you guys, we definitely do still need labels!! We're unfortunately not in a utopia yet 😭
I think the main issue is how others reduce some because of their label and others that constrain themselves in the label box. It's fluid! For everyone! Lol, a label could be Tokyo, but where in Tokyo are you? It's never clear cut
Apparently I like what you guys say about gay culture in every city you guys go to EXCEPT for Tokyo 😂
Missed opportunity to say that if 1 (TOP) and 0 (BTM), then VERS is 0.69 lol
I don't why, but to me Hideki-san looks like a Jap version of Andrew... physically
I love your channel so much. I actually LEARN things about japanese gay culture....not like a certain japanese drag queen's channel 💅
Thanks for liking our content, Kieran! I love drag queen's channel, they are so talented. Let's embrace all different types of content 🤗🌈😋😁
those japanese bars are soooo small. i don't get it.
I feel like the classification you're looking for is dom amd sub, not top or btm. The general belief is that a top is dominant and a bottom submissive but what you guys have described here is exactly Meng as a dominant bottom
Which I think is still different again from a power bottom...how's that for extra labels?😂