There is a clamp on either side of the rudder on the steering bracket. On the bottom of those clamps is a nut loosen the nut and then pull the cable tight and then tighten the nut back down. make sure the ruder and steering handle remain straight throughout the process.
@@pmm422 Oh my gosh, thank you so much. I used the small tool that i use to adjust my sprinkler heads and it fit perfectly. Now I can turn the rudder with just a little turn each way. Now I won't be going around in circles. LOL, Thank you.
One more question, is there a cover for the peddle assist hole. When I drop the prop there is a hole that I lost a fish when it slipped out of my hand back in the water! Lol
I'm in the process of selling this Kayak so probably won't get a chance to do a video on the cart. Here is a short recap: The wheels are harbor freight pneumatic wheels. the axle was 5/" steel rod. the cart frame is the black PVC pipe 2". I added PVC board to the pipe with a 5/8" hole in it to capture the axle shaft. This is similar to how I built the pontoons in a separate video.
Mine's on order and should be here in a couple weeks so I have no hands on experience (yet). I was thinking about using a wooden skewer to hold the drive shaft in the down position. My thought was if it hit a rock, perhaps the skewer would break instead of the drive system. Is that crazy talk? What are your thoughts?
@@pmm422 Thanks for the reply. My crank arrived today. Within 30 minutes, it was floating in my pool.😂I'm heading to the lake tomorrow and sure I'll be coming up with all kinds of mods. You've given me lots to think about. After seeing the pin that holds the prop down, I'm convinced a pencil would work as a shear pin. Yes definitely bring extra! Now I just need to figure out how to remove the pin completely.
@@brucenjudy2 I recommend adding a small, mounted bungie cord looped around the steering mechanism to keep it moving in a straight line so you can have your hands completely free and not worry about losing course. A little hard to describe in words, but I added a plastic mounting hook above the steering handle and mounted the ends of a bungie cord with u-shaped mounting brackets to the sides of it. The cord loops under and through the steering handle opening, then pulls onto the hook. Works quite well and is easy enough to work with one hand. Makes fishing a whole lot easier.
@@aarronconleche8468 Thanks Aarron - good tip. I’ve had my kayak on the lake a couple times now and totally agree with the bungee cord idea. My second time out, the rudder mount came loose. I now carry that allen wrench and have a couple extra screws in my emergency kit. It’s a great kayak but that tracking is a bit wonky. Probably due to only being 10’ long. Thanks again - happy yaking
Be thankful there are people that make review videos that aren't sponsored by the product they are reviewing. The most positive aspect of the crank 10 is the price tag. It's important to understand what you are giving up when you buy a budget kayak. Sure it has flaws but it was still a very enjoyable ride!
Has anyone mounted yak gear flush mount rod holders on this model? Why didn’t they just put those in where perception “screw in accessory area is. Thinking about drilling out on flat surface near there or drilling them out. What do u think?
I would think the most ideal location for the flush mounted rod holders would be just behind the seat on either side next to the "solo mount" holes. the left side might be tight with the paddle holder hook but I think it is possible.
I am searching for a 10ft pedal where my dog could fit. Most have a inside storage at the front. This front is a perfect place for my little girl! I will mount a trolling motor on it so i can use it on rivers too to lock on a spot!
Yes the bow would work for the pooch but on a kayak when you hit those large waves like those thrown off by wake boats the water often comes over the bow. So as long as poocharino doesn't mind getting wet every once in a while it would work. This particular Kayak shines in the budget category but to get a spot locking motor would require significant investment but it is possible.
@@jasmijnariel Compare that to other pedal kayaks on the market. I only found one other here in the US that was less expensive at the time and they had horrible reviews and mechanical problems. This has been a stellar performer.
In my case I want to raise the seat in the summer when I'm less concerned of tipping the Kayak and lower it again in the winter to gain the stability. But you are right the twisty knob is pretty minor and it is absolutely what you should expect in a budget Kayak.
I'm about to sell it because I bought a larger kayak that has more room and storage space. I've had no problems with this kayak they are a quality product. particularly for the price.
I actually like this design more than my; Pelican The Catch 110 Hydryve II. At least you can pedal forward and backwards without take the pedal out. I can’t stand having to take my pedal out. 🤦🏻♂️ I also like how this is only 10ft so you don’t need a sticker, at least where I’m at.
Yes the removable pedal thing was the first iteration of the Hobie patent. The patent protection on that drive has run out which is why you see these third party makers adding them to their Kayaks. the rest of Hobie's designs will eventually make it into the free market including their 360 drive but it will be a while. I really do like the simplicity of the Perception designs and ease of use. Great little Kayak.
Hi Lrenz, I looked at a lot of manufacturers and was mostly frustrated with the limited length selections. No one seemed to want to sell it by the foot. I want what I want and if I can't easily buy it and at a price I think is fair then I make it. This is what I had to do in this case. It is comprised of T-track (sold for woodworking) and 3/16" (5mm ish) aluminum bar stock. Because the track mounts on the flat kayak rails I wanted it to be stronger than just the T-Track. I drilled holes in the bar stock that lined up with the ones in the T-rack and threaded them. I then used machine screws to attach the T-track to the bar stock. The bar stock gives it a much wider base and a lot stronger than T track. I drilled mounting holes near the edge of the bar stock and used plastic screws and Silicone glue to attach it to the rails. I believe any of the commercial systems will work they just weren't available in the lengths I wanted.
Could you do a detailed video on how to mount a fish finder? I’m also interested in how you modified the rudder. I have this exact same kayak and have no idea how to mount a fish finder
Yes I planned on doing that anyway. I'm in the middle of deer hunting but sometime within the next three weeks I'll pull together a video for you on how I did it.
@Carter Tallman here is the video you requested th-cam.com/video/0XbrvcVsKzs/w-d-xo.html Really only applicable tot he Crank or perhaps other Pilot drives. Enjoy
@@jasonnichols9863 I really like it compared to the fins. Especially for fishing. The prop allows you to instantly go in reverse, whereas the fins do not
Is that chair comfortable? I had a Pelican Hydrve 2 10 foot kayak. The fins broke, and the rudder system wasn’t very good on the Pelican kayak. I like the chair it was comfortable.
Well I'm in my late 50's and so I'm starting to get in the habit of not trusting my balance, but I have stood in it and made casts from it with very little issue. Bang for the buck I think this is likely one of the best Kayaks on the market. If what you are after is super stability look at the wilderness recon or the Native Titan.
Just bought my 2nd Crank 10…..sold the first one like a dumbass! In my opinion the best! Instant reverse, when drive is up system is not in your way like some other pedal drives are, turns on a dime, fast boat, fish or rec use, did I mention instant reverse, no cable pulling, no turn the drive around…..just pedal backwards. Very stable. They need to design a relief for the drive if you hit something.
Dumb question, I just bought the Yak rail system and was going to install it but there is no way to put a nut on the back of the screw. My question is did you just drill a smaller pilot hole and use glue or were you able to get a nut on the screws? Thanks in advance!
Adama Ray Not at all a dumb question. I did drill a small pilot hole and then I used stainless steel screws with threads designed to be used in plastics. on top of that as you suggested I added a liberal dollop of silicone clue around each screw and in a few random places where the track would contact the hull. I then screwed it all in place. Recently I just had to remove one of the tracks because I wanted it longer and closer to the seat. The removal process was a bit challenging the silicone held it rather firmly even after the screws were removed. So I think that technique gets an A+. www.mcmaster.com/catalog/127/3228
@@pmm422 thanks for the response! I’ve been holding off on installing the rails just incase there was a more secure way of installing them. Thanks again and I appreciate the help!
@@adamaroy2354 You can install them with a threaded meat plate on the inside of the Kayak but that requires a higher level of DIY skills. But the screws and silicone are plenty strong enough.
Several things to report on this, First off it required no lubrication, if you loosen the screw just a little, 1/2 turn in my case it stopped binding and rotated freely. I did however replace the factory handle with a 6 inch tall DIY version. It makes it way easier to reach the steering and a lot more comfortable on the water with the extended knob. I also replaced the nylon cabling with plastic coated stainless steel cabling. A lot more robust and a lot fewer repairs. I'll show all these in the next video I do. If it is sunny this weekend I'll likely do that video, a high level walk through of all the mods I've done.
Will it void warranty installing those tracks? I'm not sure if you asked that question to the manufacturer. But judging how thorough your reviews are, I have a feeling you may have asked that question. Thanks for the detailed review
I did not ask, funny I didn't even think to look for a warranty before buying it, LOL. But most any company will support their product even if you have customized so long as the customization don't appear to be the cause of the failure. However technically yes any modification to a Kayak could void the warranty. here is an excerpt from their warranty language "Kayaks that have been structurally or dimensionally altered or modified." I suppose you could argue that it alters the structure. Also I suppose that using outriggers on the Kayak may also trigger this caveat "Kayaks determined to have been used for any activity other than an activity which is customary for the product." Their warranty is for manufacturer defect and workmanship so I'm sure they would still take care of something that fell under that category even after the alterations. www.perceptionkayaks.com/us/warranty/kayak-warranty
@@pmm422 thanks! That's exactly what I read and got my wheels spinning. I sent them an email asking about it. Also seeing your improvements on your Crank, I think I've settled on getting one myself. I started getting into kayaks last week. I had no idea about pedal kayaks prior. I think that's the way to go. But everywhere I've looked all kayaks with pedals are sold out. REI says covid has impacted manufacturing.
@@liftmys10 Amazon I purchased this one originally from REI and then got an email that they were back ordered after two weeks I canceled the REI order and bought through Amazon and had it within a week.
@@pmm422 thanks. I just saw it. I just never thought they can ship something that large. And it appears to be thru Amazon directly. Not a 3rd party seller. Thanks!
Can you tell me what outrigger setup that is? And where you got it? I have been looking around and cannot find it. I want to get the same one. I love my Crank 10! Just took it out for the first time today. I watched your video before I purchased! :)
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How do you adjust the rudder cables? They are too lose and I have to turn knob all the way to either side to turn the rudder?? Thanks
There is a clamp on either side of the rudder on the steering bracket. On the bottom of those clamps is a nut loosen the nut and then pull the cable tight and then tighten the nut back down. make sure the ruder and steering handle remain straight throughout the process.
@@pmm422 Oh my gosh, thank you so much. I used the small tool that i use to adjust my sprinkler heads and it fit perfectly. Now I can turn the rudder with just a little turn each way. Now I won't be going around in circles. LOL, Thank you.
Lol, glad I could help!
how much it weight without the pedal and seat?
Not sure I haven't weighed it. but the perception website says Boat Weight: 87 lbs. / 40 kg they don't stipulate if that is rigged or unrigged...
@@pmm422 in another video they mention it being like 75 without the seat and drive unit.
One more question, is there a cover for the peddle assist hole. When I drop the prop there is a hole that I lost a fish when it slipped out of my hand back in the water! Lol
Well not that I know of, I of course made one out of a piece of expanded PVC board.
no scupper holes or rod holder?
yes it has scupper holes but no rod holder.
Great vid, can you show us what kind of wheel setup you have for moving the kayak around.
I'm in the process of selling this Kayak so probably won't get a chance to do a video on the cart. Here is a short recap: The wheels are harbor freight pneumatic wheels. the axle was 5/" steel rod. the cart frame is the black PVC pipe 2". I added PVC board to the pipe with a 5/8" hole in it to capture the axle shaft. This is similar to how I built the pontoons in a separate video.
Mine's on order and should be here in a couple weeks so I have no hands on experience (yet). I was thinking about using a wooden skewer to hold the drive shaft in the down position. My thought was if it hit a rock, perhaps the skewer would break instead of the drive system. Is that crazy talk? What are your thoughts?
I don't think that is crazy, I would have a few extra on hand in case they break. I would need to be more like 3/8" dowel but not a bad idea actually!
@@pmm422 Thanks for the reply. My crank arrived today. Within 30 minutes, it was floating in my pool.😂I'm heading to the lake tomorrow and sure I'll be coming up with all kinds of mods. You've given me lots to think about.
After seeing the pin that holds the prop down, I'm convinced a pencil would work as a shear pin. Yes definitely bring extra! Now I just need to figure out how to remove the pin completely.
@@brucenjudy2 I recommend adding a small, mounted bungie cord looped around the steering mechanism to keep it moving in a straight line so you can have your hands completely free and not worry about losing course.
A little hard to describe in words, but I added a plastic mounting hook above the steering handle and mounted the ends of a bungie cord with u-shaped mounting brackets to the sides of it. The cord loops under and through the steering handle opening, then pulls onto the hook. Works quite well and is easy enough to work with one hand. Makes fishing a whole lot easier.
@@aarronconleche8468 Thanks Aarron - good tip. I’ve had my kayak on the lake a couple times now and totally agree with the bungee cord idea.
My second time out, the rudder mount came loose. I now carry that allen wrench and have a couple extra screws in my emergency kit.
It’s a great kayak but that tracking is a bit wonky. Probably due to only being 10’ long.
Thanks again - happy yaking
I'm so confused you say at the beginning how you love this Kayak but then proceed to trash all its flaws? Im looking at buying it but now im confused
Be thankful there are people that make review videos that aren't sponsored by the product they are reviewing. The most positive aspect of the crank 10 is the price tag. It's important to understand what you are giving up when you buy a budget kayak. Sure it has flaws but it was still a very enjoyable ride!
Has anyone mounted yak gear flush mount rod holders on this model? Why didn’t they just put those in where perception “screw in accessory area is. Thinking about drilling out on flat surface near there or drilling them out. What do u think?
I'll take a look and give you my thoughts
I would think the most ideal location for the flush mounted rod holders would be just behind the seat on either side next to the "solo mount" holes. the left side might be tight with the paddle holder hook but I think it is possible.
@@pmm422 👍thanks appreciate u taking a look. I don’t know why they don’t mold those in from get go.
@@Jllcountry5118 I totally agree it is silly they didn't include them in the mold.
@@pmm422 Riveted both flush mounts worked great. Nervous about 2” holes but perfect spots. Thanks for the push and confidence👍
I am searching for a 10ft pedal where my dog could fit.
Most have a inside storage at the front.
This front is a perfect place for my little girl!
I will mount a trolling motor on it so i can use it on rivers too to lock on a spot!
Yes the bow would work for the pooch but on a kayak when you hit those large waves like those thrown off by wake boats the water often comes over the bow. So as long as poocharino doesn't mind getting wet every once in a while it would work. This particular Kayak shines in the budget category but to get a spot locking motor would require significant investment but it is possible.
@@pmm422 1700dollars in my country. So not that cheap
@@jasmijnariel Compare that to other pedal kayaks on the market. I only found one other here in the US that was less expensive at the time and they had horrible reviews and mechanical problems. This has been a stellar performer.
Once you set the seat, why would you ever need to readjust it?
In my case I want to raise the seat in the summer when I'm less concerned of tipping the Kayak and lower it again in the winter to gain the stability. But you are right the twisty knob is pretty minor and it is absolutely what you should expect in a budget Kayak.
you still have this? Any issues so far?
I'm about to sell it because I bought a larger kayak that has more room and storage space. I've had no problems with this kayak they are a quality product. particularly for the price.
I actually like this design more than my; Pelican The Catch 110 Hydryve II. At least you can pedal forward and backwards without take the pedal out. I can’t stand having to take my pedal out. 🤦🏻♂️ I also like how this is only 10ft so you don’t need a sticker, at least where I’m at.
Yes the removable pedal thing was the first iteration of the Hobie patent. The patent protection on that drive has run out which is why you see these third party makers adding them to their Kayaks. the rest of Hobie's designs will eventually make it into the free market including their 360 drive but it will be a while. I really do like the simplicity of the Perception designs and ease of use. Great little Kayak.
@@pmm422 I’m going to try to sell my pelican now and just get this. Awesome review though.
@@86kamehameha I have the pelican getaway and I'm about to replace it with the crank. Tired of the hd2 pedal drive.
What rail system did you get? Where?
Hi Lrenz, I looked at a lot of manufacturers and was mostly frustrated with the limited length selections. No one seemed to want to sell it by the foot. I want what I want and if I can't easily buy it and at a price I think is fair then I make it. This is what I had to do in this case. It is comprised of T-track (sold for woodworking) and 3/16" (5mm ish) aluminum bar stock. Because the track mounts on the flat kayak rails I wanted it to be stronger than just the T-Track. I drilled holes in the bar stock that lined up with the ones in the T-rack and threaded them. I then used machine screws to attach the T-track to the bar stock. The bar stock gives it a much wider base and a lot stronger than T track. I drilled mounting holes near the edge of the bar stock and used plastic screws and Silicone glue to attach it to the rails. I believe any of the commercial systems will work they just weren't available in the lengths I wanted.
Could you do a detailed video on how to mount a fish finder? I’m also interested in how you modified the rudder. I have this exact same kayak and have no idea how to mount a fish finder
Yes I planned on doing that anyway. I'm in the middle of deer hunting but sometime within the next three weeks I'll pull together a video for you on how I did it.
@Carter Tallman here is the video you requested
th-cam.com/video/0XbrvcVsKzs/w-d-xo.html
Really only applicable tot he Crank or perhaps other Pilot drives. Enjoy
How would you rate the propellor system compared to a fin system on the kayaks?
@@jasonnichols9863 I really like it compared to the fins. Especially for fishing. The prop allows you to instantly go in reverse, whereas the fins do not
Is that chair comfortable? I had a Pelican Hydrve 2 10 foot kayak. The fins broke, and the rudder system wasn’t very good on the Pelican kayak. I like the chair it was comfortable.
Is it chain driven or cable driven?
Given the shape and size I would speculate that it is a gear and shaft drive.
Is this kayak stable enough for you to stand upright while it's in the water? If so, could you make a cast while standing? Thanks for video.
Well I'm in my late 50's and so I'm starting to get in the habit of not trusting my balance, but I have stood in it and made casts from it with very little issue. Bang for the buck I think this is likely one of the best Kayaks on the market. If what you are after is super stability look at the wilderness recon or the Native Titan.
He ain’t lying. Even on a glass lake I wouldn’t try to stand up on it 😂 been a great boat overall though, sitting down
Just bought my 2nd Crank 10…..sold the first one like a dumbass! In my opinion the best! Instant reverse, when drive is up system is not in your way like some other pedal drives are, turns on a dime, fast boat, fish or rec use, did I mention instant reverse, no cable pulling, no turn the drive around…..just pedal backwards. Very stable. They need to design a relief for the drive if you hit something.
Dumb question, I just bought the Yak rail system and was going to install it but there is no way to put a nut on the back of the screw. My question is did you just drill a smaller pilot hole and use glue or were you able to get a nut on the screws? Thanks in advance!
Adama Ray Not at all a dumb question. I did drill a small pilot hole and then I used stainless steel screws with threads designed to be used in plastics. on top of that as you suggested I added a liberal dollop of silicone clue around each screw and in a few random places where the track would contact the hull. I then screwed it all in place. Recently I just had to remove one of the tracks because I wanted it longer and closer to the seat. The removal process was a bit challenging the silicone held it rather firmly even after the screws were removed. So I think that technique gets an A+.
www.mcmaster.com/catalog/127/3228
@@pmm422 thanks for the response! I’ve been holding off on installing the rails just incase there was a more secure way of installing them. Thanks again and I appreciate the help!
@@adamaroy2354 You can install them with a threaded meat plate on the inside of the Kayak but that requires a higher level of DIY skills. But the screws and silicone are plenty strong enough.
What lubrication did you end up using on the steering handle?
Several things to report on this, First off it required no lubrication, if you loosen the screw just a little, 1/2 turn in my case it stopped binding and rotated freely. I did however replace the factory handle with a 6 inch tall DIY version. It makes it way easier to reach the steering and a lot more comfortable on the water with the extended knob. I also replaced the nylon cabling with plastic coated stainless steel cabling. A lot more robust and a lot fewer repairs. I'll show all these in the next video I do. If it is sunny this weekend I'll likely do that video, a high level walk through of all the mods I've done.
@@pmm422 I’m looking forward to it.
Will it void warranty installing those tracks? I'm not sure if you asked that question to the manufacturer. But judging how thorough your reviews are, I have a feeling you may have asked that question. Thanks for the detailed review
I did not ask, funny I didn't even think to look for a warranty before buying it, LOL. But most any company will support their product even if you have customized so long as the customization don't appear to be the cause of the failure. However technically yes any modification to a Kayak could void the warranty. here is an excerpt from their warranty language "Kayaks that have been structurally or dimensionally altered or modified." I suppose you could argue that it alters the structure. Also I suppose that using outriggers on the Kayak may also trigger this caveat "Kayaks determined to have been used for any activity other than an activity which is customary for the product." Their warranty is for manufacturer defect and workmanship so I'm sure they would still take care of something that fell under that category even after the alterations.
www.perceptionkayaks.com/us/warranty/kayak-warranty
@@pmm422 thanks! That's exactly what I read and got my wheels spinning. I sent them an email asking about it. Also seeing your improvements on your Crank, I think I've settled on getting one myself. I started getting into kayaks last week. I had no idea about pedal kayaks prior. I think that's the way to go. But everywhere I've looked all kayaks with pedals are sold out. REI says covid has impacted manufacturing.
@@liftmys10 Amazon I purchased this one originally from REI and then got an email that they were back ordered after two weeks I canceled the REI order and bought through Amazon and had it within a week.
@@pmm422 thanks. I just saw it. I just never thought they can ship something that large. And it appears to be thru Amazon directly. Not a 3rd party seller. Thanks!
@@liftmys10 yup 2 guys showed up at the house and carried it into my garage for me couldn't have been easier, I was surprised too.
Thanks for sharing.
Can you tell me what outrigger setup that is? And where you got it? I have been looking around and cannot find it. I want to get the same one. I love my Crank 10! Just took it out for the first time today. I watched your video before I purchased! :)
@Sandy Robinson Sorry Sandy, i wish I could make it easy for ya but I made it from scratch. here is how
th-cam.com/video/s2XkPoAxoI8/w-d-xo.html
@@pmm422 awesome thanks! I like all of the functionality!
Hey I have the same kayak! I really love it!!
We are in agreement!
I think this guy likes to modify stuff.