I'd do the same thing. Now personally, I would consider adding a transom trolling motor for all the awesome things you mentioned about the PA14. Not gonna lie, I love all those things once I saw them up close and personal. Looking forward to the new journey.
Bummer. I have the PA14 with the 180 Drive. So far, no issues. I was going to get the 360 but each time I looked at one there was a stack of 360 drives at the dealer waiting for repair. I loved the layout of the PA14 and decided to go with the 180, glad I did. If you went to Sun Valley Sports in Indy, please reach out to me and will share my experiences with them. Not to much of it positive since their move.
I like my 2021 hobie pro angler 14 360. I already put too much time and money in to it. So far no problem with it. Instead of buying another kayak. I'm just going to put a motorguide xi3 to it, so I don't have to use the 360 drive.
Not great that you had to go through all of that but I appreciate your open/ honest feedback. It really helps those of us without a platform like yours to make issues like this known ...
I went from OldTown to Hobie and won’t go back. The ability to put a motor on the back of the Hobie is 10X easier than trying to add a motor to the BigWater. Cruising around in my PA14 180 drive with the NK180 is so much fun! Good luck to you guys!
@@aaanglerstotally get it! I loved my old town just wanted to add a motor after my local trail started allowing them in tourneys. When I started asking around about the Hobie the 180 drive seemed more reliable
So I recently got into kayaks last yr. Picked up a cheap lifetime yukon. Well my rabbit hole got long. Now it's got a trolling motor at the rear. Foot steering,motor lift, huge batterie, multiple rod holders, lights, fish finder and all the little tricks like the finder is at the bow with a sun shade.
I just went with the Old Town 120PDL after watching many videos. Look forward to getting it soon and getting it out on the water in spring next year. Thanks for being honest on your channel, hard to find content that is not influenced by the manufacturers.
8 years ago when I bought my Native Watercraft Slayer Propel 10 it was the only pedal drive with reverse. I am still happy with it and haven't had any problems. I am glad that yall are going with kayaks that will suit your needs, I hope they work out for you!
@@mikeschulz5070 They are heavy when loaded out so just be sure you can handle that, especially the loading and unloading. I was torn between the Max 10 and Titan 10 but very happy I chose the former. I still PREFER the Titan but it would be a little too much for me, especially since I don't have a trailer. (i slide it in the hatch of my Subi Outback)
Yep. I had the same drama with 3waters kayak Big Fish 108. Hull fracture in 2 months of ownership around the pedal drive. They didn't want to honor their own warranty until I threatened law suit. I'm very happy with my VanHucks Shad & my Slayer Max
Great Video. I'm a Crescent guy myself. I don't own a Old Town but they are at the top of my list for my first pedal drive. I've heard of some issues with the 360 drives myself and opted out of them and have considered the Lightning kayak line possibly.
A great time and a good rant always does the soul some good! I started watching you guys for the sheer honesty and unbiased reviews that your content has provided! Best fishing bros on the platforms across the board... Thanks @aaanglers
I have used Oldtown for tournament fishing since 2019 and have never been disappointed. They are very reliable and the drive system can be repaired for most things on the fly.
I have the original lite tackle and love tha versatility. Add motor or not. High seat,medium or low. Paddles like a dream. Got mine at music city outdoors great people.
Hobie has frustrated me this year. I’ve done millions of views for them and never asked for anything. I’ve supported their dealer events and made filmed free content the’ve use for ads and still I never asked for anything. I personally spent $15,000+ on Hobie kayaks in last few years. I finally asked Hobie for a newer 180 kick up drive so I could continue creating content and show off a cool new Hobie fishing setup no one has seen in the world. Since July I’ve gone back and forth with their rep and they claim they are sending but then they don’t. I reach out again to them and no response. Yet they will give entire boats to their pro staff who I guarantee haven’t driven near as many sales. I have driven $200,000+ in sales in two week periods for kayak companies and companies selling fishing products. If Hobie treats me this way I can’t image a basic customer getting any customer service. I try to stay non-bias and show all brands. I use what I use.
Great video. I like the value oriented content of your videos. I might be able to afford the high end equipment but I don’t want to. I want something that will work well and for a long time. Thanks for the video and looking forward to the new year and what you have in store for the channel.
Can’t speak for the 360’s. Love my Lynx, got it for the light weight. Does great on my local rivers and the 180 drive has been rock solid. My 2015 outback is still going strong and that works great as my off shore rig. It doesn’t see as much action these days as the Lynx fits a lot of roles. Been looking at their inflatables for river use as they fit light weight bring less role. I think that Hobie relies on their past and name a bit too much. Do your research and get the yak that works for you and what waters you fish. For me, I love the 180 drive and lightweight of the lynx. Did I pay for it? Oh yeah. But it works for me. That 360 drive seems like a nightmare, waaay too many problems in a short amount of time.
I just got into kayaking. I really wanted one with a pedal drive, but the price was a barrier for me. The reason pice was an issue was I wanted to buy 3 kayaks. I went with ascend fs10 kayaks. Time will tell, but happy so far. For a lot less than a hobie with pedal drive, I bought 3 kayaks for family. I got these for $100 off at bass pro and I am in about $1200 for the 3. No maintenance really with these, just paddle and go
I am look forward to getting a kayak but I am just looking for paddle kayak and thinking hard on the nucanoe unlimited I like the old Town kayaks they are just out of my price range thank you guys for information theirs probably a lot of people don't know any of the things
Enjoyed your observations and thanks for sharing . I have stayed with My 2012 NWC Manta ray 14 for simple reliability and the true kayak minimalist approach. Bonjour de Louisiane amis partout !
I had an older pro angler and it was my least favorite kayak. I only had the mirage v2 drive so no 180, the steering sucked, it didnt track well (even with the skeg), and the thing was just entirely too big. I took it to one of my usual spots in the Chesapeake Bay on a decent day and the pedal back was just awful, the kayak sits too high in the water so wind and chop made it more difficult than it needs to be. That trip is usually an hour out and an hour back, it took me over 3 hours to get back. I got rid of it after that. I think its a good idea to try other brands, I dont know about newer hobies but i know several guys who have had a bunch of problems with their 360s as well as the 180.
I bought a pa12 180 like 3 years ago before the price boom. Been happy with it since. I took one look at the 360 and said nope... to many moving parts wont last.
When I stopped by my local paddle shop a couple weeks ago, they stated that word is Hobie has maybe 2 years until they are bankrupt. They also lost some of their dealer networks due to hobie attempting to strongarm them into exclusivity allegedly.
Thanks for going over a cheaper option/value. I have been wanting to get a kayak in 2024, but don't have a truck. I need to do research on racks, and inflatables as well.
We use my gf's 2010 Honda Accord with 2 inflatable racks bought at cabellas. We have 2 ascend 10t kayaks (intend to get nicer kayaks this year) that we stack one on top of the other and ratchet strap through the car. It's a coupe and still works like a dream. So don't limit yourself due to lack of a truck. If you've got a car, get a couple of inflatable roof racks. They handle a ton of weight and, with proper tie downs, won't move hardly at all.
Kayaks are cool but i like my 25 year old Creek boat. It's the size of a kayak but more stable. It has a live well and an electric motor. Steering is done with your feet on pedals. Speed control is next to the seat. Hands are free for fishing.
I’ve seen 2 yt vids of so cal guys that had these and the drives broke right in the middle of the video. Interesting. Expensive stuff is not always the best there’s a real balance there
I’d just tell people if you’re gonna get a hobie pa get the mirage 180 drive. I have a 2017 that I couldn’t tell you how many miles I have put on it. Love everything about it. I figured the 360 would be more trouble than it’s worth
Im actually considering trading back to a 180, and adding a motor. I will post that if I do for sure. I agree, loved my 180. Still expensive as heck unless bought used now
@@aaanglers yeah my dad brother and I have 4 total. 3 were bought used off of marketplace. Have never had any problems with any. I’m for sure gonna stay away from the 360s now
I have run into different kayakers leaving with broken rides. Everything from broken drives, broken steering, broken seats and cracked hulls. For every broken yak there are probably hundreds of others (same mfg) who have not had a problem. I just had my Hobie hull replaced. The shop said they replace 5 or 6 a year and every brand has issues. But the issues are low in there opinion.
It's sad. In my opinion "PRO" should stand for realibality. When I buy pro gear I want it to last. Your so right turning away from that Kayak. Thanks for the video Max
I have fished out of both the Predator and updated Big Water. Great kayak, super dry, much faster than the Hobie, durable, cheap parts and handles bad weather much better.
OT big water is even worse for fishing, way less space, even harder to mount stuff like motors to it, less lateral stability than the sportsman line, they are meant for saltwater fishing and waves. not bass fishing!
Seriously I know ppl have their opinions but I see nice boats for 5-6k on fb marketplace so spending that on a kayak just seems crazy but I know ppl like it and hey if ya got it go get it lol
Yeah going full boat is legit but bust out another thousand is no joke. Plus gas, storage, title etc. it’s never the cheaper option. It’s always the fastest though 🤌🏼
There is a video on replacing just the belt yourself. I think he found the belt on Amazon. Video linked here: th-cam.com/video/QNcGlCVSXPg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Yu84Rtl-eEzubYdF I had a 2020 14ft Pro Angler 360 and never had any problems with it. I loved that thing and basically lived on it. It was a complete battleship. Unfortunately when my dad passed in June 2022, and I bought his condo, I had to sell it because the HOA does not allow trailers. I was planning on getting a 12ft Pro Angler in the next year or 2, because I can’t stand being stuck on the bank. Now I’m rethinking. I don’t like the idea of a prop drive kayak. The kick up fins are what really sold me on the Hobie. Maybe I go non 360 drive.
A hobie abandonou nosso país. Nós brasileiros estamos passando por sérios problemas com garantia dos caiaques. Não informam uma data para envio. Nós vamos entrar com uma ação judicial com a empresa. Isso é uma falta de respeito com todos.
I would have thought the first thing you need to deal with is, your rodent problem. They can make a real mess in a tackle box. Especially if you have any form of packet baits.
Your making a huge mistake, again. I regret my OT Sportsman 120 PDL purchase, so much, $2500 down the drain. It is NOT designed for fishing at ALL, yes it's better than nothing, but it only just meets the barest requirements. Yes OT has the most durable PDL, but that's IT. Trying to fish out of this thing is an exercise in frustration! Trying to add electric motors is an exercise in frustration! Just don't do it guys. If you guys were smart you would get the first kayak ACTUALLY PROPERLY designed for fishing! The Native Titan X 12 PDL. If you have not seen one, or watched reviews, your missing out big time and throwing your money away with OT, I guarantee it. Literally everything about the Titan X is perfect for fishing, and adding any accessory you could want from bow mount motors to stern motors like the NK 180/300 High weight capacity, exceptional stability, it's wide. Yes, it is heavy, so are the OT PDL series boats so it's kind of a moot point. Do yourselves a favor and go see a Titan X if you can find one, they going to put every other fishing kayak out of business in the coming year or two easy.
My guy. I totally appreciate that you like the Titan X. We got the kayaks we got, for a specific purpose. If Native offered us a Titan X, we would have considered it. It was on our list. For now it will have to wait. If we had the money lying around, we might grab one. But we don’t so…
I'm a Hobie, but I have to admit, Hobie reminds me of Harley Davidson. They have zero support for the people who are competing and using their shit. They've gotten too big!
You are going in the right direction OldTown is the absolute best. Warranty is the best. Hobie has been sold. It's not even the same company. Dump em. I have a 120 auto pilot. The replaced the trolling motor within 5 days and it was 6 months out of warranty. Why not an OldTown. None better for reliability or warranty. End of story.
My buddy use to swear by Hobie, until it started falling apart before my Walmart pelican. I toss mine into all types of questionable situations and it's been great for me.
I did a bunch of research when I was getting into fishing and decided to go with the Old Town Sportsman PDL 106 Kayak. That thing was stable, rugged, and reliable. Ended up passing it on for a bigger boat but I miss it now.
Sorry you guys have had so much trouble, but thanks for sharing your experience to save that trouble for the rest of us... Very much appreciated, and great to see.
Crescent just announced the Primo for $699. I imagine a blackpackpro with rod holders would swiftly transform that rec into a good fisher. Saves enough money to buy one of those 20 ounce paddles.
Come on to the NATIVE FAMILY 😂😂😂 TITAN X is king BUT I feel that's every market every market is TRASH we buying pritty trash cars homes this that ALL OF IT. I recently got the 12.5x waiting on my On The Water Innovations trailer and my BURB rollin to tug this behemoths around plan to get at least 3 YAKS in the near future i appreciate all that you do and because of you and many others channels lit an inspirational fire in me to start my channel only shorts ATM just got the CPU built and working towards weekly content as well gotta start somewhere MAHALO NUI LOA(THANK YOU 2 SOO MUCH) 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽🙏🏽♾️☯️💯🔥
Jackson Knarr has been my golden goose! I will say, a good prop drive is fucking sweet, apart from weeds. Hobie was bought by investors who have no reason being into kayaks other than profit, and have run down the business. Hobie is refusing fair warranty claims which is really bad news, fantastic products when they work, but you need to have a local dealer to help you if ANYTHING happens. New factory is in Mexico as well. I’ll be saving up for the BlueSky 360 angler in the future.
Also like to mention that by law there should be a safety recall on this as people could be placed into danger situations on the water if they can't maneuver their kayak. I get that you should have a paddle in case of emergency but some people aren't strong paddlers or all their energy is spent from fishing all day that they don't have the energy to paddle, especially in high winds or long distance. Clearly it's a defect on the product as it's becoming a common issue.
Here is the problem, human power is been on its way out.. Consumers are more an more going electric power. The new tech for the hobie drive is to complicated, period! Hobie needs to focus on a boat like the nucanoe unlimited or bonafide pwd 129 that people can build the way they want
What about the new 360 they just dropped that you can use an old 360 drive in 💀 So stupid ! It’s like Torqeedo making the new motor coming out that you can use the old batteries with ! Scam companies man ….Yes I do own a Hobie 360 and a Torqeedo 😂 Before I knew the truth
I think the kayak decision is a bunch of factors. For me was the best kayak for the body of water I fish, I am older and be able to lift. If you have or not have fishing skills a basic kayak will do the job
kovid kayaks are flooding the used market, this is hurting the new kayak market. It’s a Golden Age for anyone wanting a kayak, prices are coming down big time
6 years ago i tried my buddies kayak and i snap the cabled on the reverse and bought him an new one and few weeks later got it fix and i try the hobie again and snap the other one .... the quality has never been there thats why i can never buy an hobie
That what Hobie wants though, they want your drive to break or else they won't make money because people aren't buying Hobies as much anymore.. Oldtown and Native have taken over. Lower price point instant reverse etc. 5yr warranty on my Oldtown sportsmen 120 PDL and life time on my kayak.
Made the same decision a couple months ago. Went through 3 drives (one in 20 feet of water during a tournament) and it doesn’t do well with a bow mounted motor taking in gallons of water. I wanted reliability. I’m mostly done rigging out my Old Town Autopilot 136. I love this thing. Enjoy Old Town guys!
I took one look at the complexity and the over-engineering that typically goes into the drive and said "oh hell no". The slam dunk for me was the the "rail system" again gear track is so simple and so easy to work with why would I want to start with a 35.00 clamp for every accessory to use the rail? So ya natives drive is very solid and simple. You can buy all the parts directly from Native and fix everything your self. Easy decision.
Whew. Makes me feel better about buying a Native,over the Hobie, for my first fishing kayak. I’d heard rumors about how bad the quality had gotten with Hobie. I looked at the Old Towns, specifically the Autopilot 136, but at $5000 I decided to save my marriage and get a less expensive one. Not sure yet if I made the right decision there 😂
That’s what happens when you get all the “you get what you pay for” clowns that blindly pay top dollar for goods just because the name. These companies put out garbage parts and demand more and more money because they were once top dogs. It’s a shame. I wanted a PA 360 so bad. Guess I’m lucky I can’t afford one.
Do you guys fish in alot of shallow grassy areas? My main lake is all grass and 3-4 feet of water in a big part of the lake I fish. I feel like the Hobie's drive would actually be useable in that lake and the peddle drives in the old town or Native's would have to be stowed away. Thoughts?
Seems y’all thought the new purchases through diligently, so it must be a great choice. I’m a fan of Old Town. Solid products. I dumped my Kaku a week after I came home from Alabama.
Following your lead a bit. I left Jackson and Ecofishing Shop. Switched to an Old Town MK and have made myself an unrestrained free agent for non-biased fishing content for 2024. Heard Hobie made some poor manufacturing choices that have led to this issue everywhere, and it could be a better look for them.
I randomly found your channel by the algorithm recommending it, you guys actually seem really cool. It's a shame you went from bad kayaks to even worse kayaks. See my other comments, Native Titan X beats every brand in the world for fishing, everything else is trash by comparison.
Hey old town pdl 110 is the best invest ment I’ve made I got a gamin 9sv sidescan-downscan it never fails to put me on the fish. The drive is the bulletproof because of the simplistic design. I will stand by the reliability.
lol at least your hobie didn't sink within 5 min first time in the water. , happened to my neighbor. he was so excited getting it. had to use my 500 kyak and my scuba gear to recover it out of the creek . that was 8 months ago and he still hasn't got a penny back. and the dealer refused to take it back. in fact the dealer told him he no longer sells them. he himself is fed up with claims not being taken care of. so my neighbor bought a sun dolphin boss 12 ss like i have. do not use the hobie cart on the pa 14 . but i feel the scupper issue was bad when bought ,,, he pulled it on the cart 40 yds across his yard to the creek. but i can tell you that is where all the water poured out.
I just picked up a brand new old town 106 for 1500. Came with everything! Fish finder and everything. Got it from an older man who was a kayak fisherman. He gave me everything! I literally have 4k worth of gear for 1500. Blessed. But... I live in Colorado. So I have to wait until march to use it😂
Thanks Guys never trusted the 360 too many things to go wrong. Ive got the outback with the 180 and think its very reliable. Good luck with your new brand.
I couldn’t talk myself into getting a new Hobie PA I just kept coming back to the fact I could get a 2 year old Outback FULLY loaded at half price. Also the fact that any gen drive will work if the md180 fails…apart from the 360 of course 🤷♂️
What do you think about our decision?
I'd do the same thing. Now personally, I would consider adding a transom trolling motor for all the awesome things you mentioned about the PA14. Not gonna lie, I love all those things once I saw them up close and personal. Looking forward to the new journey.
I think you guys were more patient and paid alot of $$ and still not happy l, I'm happy your with Ole Town now I hope it's a better experience
Bummer. I have the PA14 with the 180 Drive. So far, no issues. I was going to get the 360 but each time I looked at one there was a stack of 360 drives at the dealer waiting for repair. I loved the layout of the PA14 and decided to go with the 180, glad I did. If you went to Sun Valley Sports in Indy, please reach out to me and will share my experiences with them. Not to much of it positive since their move.
I like my 2021 hobie pro angler 14 360. I already put too much time and money in to it. So far no problem with it. Instead of buying another kayak. I'm just going to put a motorguide xi3 to it, so I don't have to use the 360 drive.
Crap
Love my hobie outback 180 nothing can replace that kayak for me. The 180 drive is very reliable for me too
Not great that you had to go through all of that but I appreciate your open/ honest feedback. It really helps those of us without a platform like yours to make issues like this known ...
I went from OldTown to Hobie and won’t go back. The ability to put a motor on the back of the Hobie is 10X easier than trying to add a motor to the BigWater. Cruising around in my PA14 180 drive with the NK180 is so much fun! Good luck to you guys!
That’s the difference though… the 180 drive. Can’t fix a 360
@@aaanglerstotally get it! I loved my old town just wanted to add a motor after my local trail started allowing them in tourneys. When I started asking around about the Hobie the 180 drive seemed more reliable
So I recently got into kayaks last yr. Picked up a cheap lifetime yukon. Well my rabbit hole got long. Now it's got a trolling motor at the rear. Foot steering,motor lift, huge batterie, multiple rod holders, lights, fish finder and all the little tricks like the finder is at the bow with a sun shade.
I just went with the Old Town 120PDL after watching many videos. Look forward to getting it soon and getting it out on the water in spring next year. Thanks for being honest on your channel, hard to find content that is not influenced by the manufacturers.
8 years ago when I bought my Native Watercraft Slayer Propel 10 it was the only pedal drive with reverse. I am still happy with it and haven't had any problems. I am glad that yall are going with kayaks that will suit your needs, I hope they work out for you!
Thanks!
Love my 2022 Slayer Max 10 and the peddle drive!
I’ve been wanting to pick up a 10.5 titan.
@@mikeschulz5070 They are heavy when loaded out so just be sure you can handle that, especially the loading and unloading. I was torn between the Max 10 and Titan 10 but very happy I chose the former. I still PREFER the Titan but it would be a little too much for me, especially since I don't have a trailer. (i slide it in the hatch of my Subi Outback)
@@HomesteadOnThePreserve I have a ascend 128t right now and it’s a barge. And I’m topping it my wrangler. So I know the feeling.
Yep. I had the same drama with 3waters kayak Big Fish 108. Hull fracture in 2 months of ownership around the pedal drive. They didn't want to honor their own warranty until I threatened law suit. I'm very happy with my VanHucks Shad & my Slayer Max
Great Video. I'm a Crescent guy myself. I don't own a Old Town but they are at the top of my list for my first pedal drive. I've heard of some issues with the 360 drives myself and opted out of them and have considered the Lightning kayak line possibly.
We run those crescents too, they’re great!
A great time and a good rant always does the soul some good! I started watching you guys for the sheer honesty and unbiased reviews that your content has provided! Best fishing bros on the platforms across the board... Thanks @aaanglers
Much appreciated!!!
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I have used Oldtown for tournament fishing since 2019 and have never been disappointed. They are very reliable and the drive system can be repaired for most things on the fly.
I have the original lite tackle and love tha versatility. Add motor or not. High seat,medium or low. Paddles like a dream. Got mine at music city outdoors great people.
Hobie has frustrated me this year. I’ve done millions of views for them and never asked for anything. I’ve supported their dealer events and made filmed free content the’ve use for ads and still I never asked for anything. I personally spent $15,000+ on Hobie kayaks in last few years. I finally asked Hobie for a newer 180 kick up drive so I could continue creating content and show off a cool new Hobie fishing setup no one has seen in the world. Since July I’ve gone back and forth with their rep and they claim they are sending but then they don’t. I reach out again to them and no response. Yet they will give entire boats to their pro staff who I guarantee haven’t driven near as many sales. I have driven $200,000+ in sales in two week periods for kayak companies and companies selling fishing products. If Hobie treats me this way I can’t image a basic customer getting any customer service. I try to stay non-bias and show all brands. I use what I use.
Exactly! We tried to work with them too… no dice. Oh well, on to better brands!
Great video. I like the value oriented content of your videos. I might be able to afford the high end equipment but I don’t want to. I want something that will work well and for a long time. Thanks for the video and looking forward to the new year and what you have in store for the channel.
Yep, i was done with hobie this year too. Got a Nucanoe Unlimited with a xi3
Dope!
Great option!
Can’t speak for the 360’s. Love my Lynx, got it for the light weight. Does great on my local rivers and the 180 drive has been rock solid. My 2015 outback is still going strong and that works great as my off shore rig. It doesn’t see as much action these days as the Lynx fits a lot of roles.
Been looking at their inflatables for river use as they fit light weight bring less role.
I think that Hobie relies on their past and name a bit too much. Do your research and get the yak that works for you and what waters you fish. For me, I love the 180 drive and lightweight of the lynx. Did I pay for it? Oh yeah. But it works for me.
That 360 drive seems like a nightmare, waaay too many problems in a short amount of time.
I just got into kayaking. I really wanted one with a pedal drive, but the price was a barrier for me. The reason pice was an issue was I wanted to buy 3 kayaks. I went with ascend fs10 kayaks. Time will tell, but happy so far. For a lot less than a hobie with pedal drive, I bought 3 kayaks for family. I got these for $100 off at bass pro and I am in about $1200 for the 3. No maintenance really with these, just paddle and go
I am look forward to getting a kayak but I am just looking for paddle kayak and thinking hard on the nucanoe unlimited I like the old Town kayaks they are just out of my price range thank you guys for information theirs probably a lot of people don't know any of the things
Enjoyed your observations and thanks for sharing . I have stayed with My 2012 NWC Manta ray 14 for simple reliability and the true kayak minimalist approach. Bonjour de Louisiane amis partout !
There ya go!
I like wilderness. My buddy has the oldtown pd and wanted to swap, but its preference
I had an older pro angler and it was my least favorite kayak. I only had the mirage v2 drive so no 180, the steering sucked, it didnt track well (even with the skeg), and the thing was just entirely too big. I took it to one of my usual spots in the Chesapeake Bay on a decent day and the pedal back was just awful, the kayak sits too high in the water so wind and chop made it more difficult than it needs to be. That trip is usually an hour out and an hour back, it took me over 3 hours to get back. I got rid of it after that. I think its a good idea to try other brands, I dont know about newer hobies but i know several guys who have had a bunch of problems with their 360s as well as the 180.
I bought a pa12 180 like 3 years ago before the price boom. Been happy with it since. I took one look at the 360 and said nope... to many moving parts wont last.
When I stopped by my local paddle shop a couple weeks ago, they stated that word is Hobie has maybe 2 years until they are bankrupt. They also lost some of their dealer networks due to hobie attempting to strongarm them into exclusivity allegedly.
Thanks for going over a cheaper option/value. I have been wanting to get a kayak in 2024, but don't have a truck. I need to do research on racks, and inflatables as well.
We use my gf's 2010 Honda Accord with 2 inflatable racks bought at cabellas. We have 2 ascend 10t kayaks (intend to get nicer kayaks this year) that we stack one on top of the other and ratchet strap through the car. It's a coupe and still works like a dream. So don't limit yourself due to lack of a truck. If you've got a car, get a couple of inflatable roof racks. They handle a ton of weight and, with proper tie downs, won't move hardly at all.
@@Corona2172 Thanks. I have heard of inflatable kayaks but not inflatable rack. I will look into it.
Kayaks are cool but i like my 25 year old Creek boat. It's the size of a kayak but more stable. It has a live well and an electric motor. Steering is done with your feet on pedals. Speed control is next to the seat. Hands are free for fishing.
would love to see some pics of that!
Creek boats from Albemarle,N.C. For some reason I can't send their website.
I’ve seen 2 yt vids of so cal guys that had these and the drives broke right in the middle of the video. Interesting. Expensive stuff is not always the best there’s a real balance there
I’ll never trade my pro angler 360. The new XR looks to be even better. My last 2 have been amazing. Old town makes great stuff too.
Im glad it work for you!
I’d just tell people if you’re gonna get a hobie pa get the mirage 180 drive. I have a 2017 that I couldn’t tell you how many miles I have put on it. Love everything about it. I figured the 360 would be more trouble than it’s worth
Im actually considering trading back to a 180, and adding a motor. I will post that if I do for sure. I agree, loved my 180. Still expensive as heck unless bought used now
@@aaanglers yeah my dad brother and I have 4 total. 3 were bought used off of marketplace. Have never had any problems with any. I’m for sure gonna stay away from the 360s now
I have run into different kayakers leaving with broken rides. Everything from broken drives, broken steering, broken seats and cracked hulls. For every broken yak there are probably hundreds of others (same mfg) who have not had a problem. I just had my Hobie hull replaced. The shop said they replace 5 or 6 a year and every brand has issues. But the issues are low in there opinion.
Best intro ever - made me smile big 😂 love this channel
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It's sad. In my opinion "PRO" should stand for realibality. When I buy pro gear I want it to last. Your so right turning away from that Kayak.
Thanks for the video
Max
I have fished out of both the Predator and updated Big Water. Great kayak, super dry, much faster than the Hobie, durable, cheap parts and handles bad weather much better.
It's funny that I've never heard of one finishing the MR340 race.
@@roaddog1m Looks like thats only a paddle on race. Those events are usually better suited for touring kayaks.
would love to see some jon boat action next
JON BOAT, JON BOAT, JON BOAT!!! 😊
Awesome channel yeah I got the 132pdl I picked it up yesterday.
Question what kayak cart do you recommend?? Best bang for buck. Thanks
The new yak attack tow and stow is amazing
Do you prefer that over the boondox or wilderness systems?
Hobie quality is way down. Still have a PA14, but I have four other yaks and use them much more nowadays.
So glad I found this video
never will I buy a Hobie... I love my OT!!
did you all take a look at NeCanue kayaks?
Yup! Great options as well. We just wanted more built in stuff
I see so many for sale right now, I won't touch em
OT big water is even worse for fishing, way less space, even harder to mount stuff like motors to it, less lateral stability than the sportsman line, they are meant for saltwater fishing and waves. not bass fishing!
I think we will surprise you, it’s gonna be dope
"After this video, our next video will be Jeff hunting down (unsuccessfully) Jerry the mouse. Thanks for watching nerds!"
Imma get him!
Seriously I know ppl have their opinions but I see nice boats for 5-6k on fb marketplace so spending that on a kayak just seems crazy but I know ppl like it and hey if ya got it go get it lol
Yeah going full boat is legit but bust out another thousand is no joke. Plus gas, storage, title etc. it’s never the cheaper option. It’s always the fastest though 🤌🏼
@@paulglass7268 true
Just wondering if yall had any issues with feel free kayaks?
Don’t have experience with them actually
Never us d a feel free
There is a video on replacing just the belt yourself. I think he found the belt on Amazon. Video linked here: th-cam.com/video/QNcGlCVSXPg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Yu84Rtl-eEzubYdF I had a 2020 14ft Pro Angler 360 and never had any problems with it. I loved that thing and basically lived on it. It was a complete battleship. Unfortunately when my dad passed in June 2022, and I bought his condo, I had to sell it because the HOA does not allow trailers. I was planning on getting a 12ft Pro Angler in the next year or 2, because I can’t stand being stuck on the bank. Now I’m rethinking. I don’t like the idea of a prop drive kayak. The kick up fins are what really sold me on the Hobie. Maybe I go non 360 drive.
A hobie abandonou nosso país.
Nós brasileiros estamos passando por sérios problemas com garantia dos caiaques.
Não informam uma data para envio. Nós vamos entrar com uma ação judicial com a empresa.
Isso é uma falta de respeito com todos.
I would have thought the first thing you need to deal with is, your rodent problem. They can make a real mess in a tackle box. Especially if you have any form of packet baits.
Inside the house is rodent free!
Your making a huge mistake, again.
I regret my OT Sportsman 120 PDL purchase, so much, $2500 down the drain.
It is NOT designed for fishing at ALL, yes it's better than nothing, but it only just meets the barest requirements.
Yes OT has the most durable PDL, but that's IT.
Trying to fish out of this thing is an exercise in frustration!
Trying to add electric motors is an exercise in frustration!
Just don't do it guys.
If you guys were smart you would get the first kayak ACTUALLY PROPERLY designed for fishing!
The Native Titan X 12 PDL.
If you have not seen one, or watched reviews, your missing out big time and throwing your money away with OT, I guarantee it.
Literally everything about the Titan X is perfect for fishing, and adding any accessory you could want from bow mount motors to stern motors like the NK 180/300
High weight capacity, exceptional stability, it's wide.
Yes, it is heavy, so are the OT PDL series boats so it's kind of a moot point.
Do yourselves a favor and go see a Titan X if you can find one, they going to put every other fishing kayak out of business in the coming year or two easy.
My guy. I totally appreciate that you like the Titan X. We got the kayaks we got, for a specific purpose. If Native offered us a Titan X, we would have considered it. It was on our list. For now it will have to wait. If we had the money lying around, we might grab one. But we don’t so…
😄😄😄 the mouse....
Maybe it's time to make canoes great again.
Hobie quality control and customer service has been declining for years.
I'm a Hobie, but I have to admit, Hobie reminds me of Harley Davidson. They have zero support for the people who are competing and using their shit. They've gotten too big!
old town 120 pdl here...5 years later still going strong. Old town for the win!
You are going in the right direction OldTown is the absolute best. Warranty is the best. Hobie has been sold. It's not even the same company. Dump em. I have a 120 auto pilot. The replaced the trolling motor within 5 days and it was 6 months out of warranty. Why not an OldTown. None better for reliability or warranty. End of story.
Love my 106 pdl
My buddy use to swear by Hobie, until it started falling apart before my Walmart pelican. I toss mine into all types of questionable situations and it's been great for me.
I did a bunch of research when I was getting into fishing and decided to go with the Old Town Sportsman PDL 106 Kayak. That thing was stable, rugged, and reliable. Ended up passing it on for a bigger boat but I miss it now.
Went brand to brand you guys know the names..then I landed in a pdl 120 BEST KAYAK EVER..
Sorry you guys have had so much trouble, but thanks for sharing your experience to save that trouble for the rest of us... Very much appreciated, and great to see.
Crescent just announced the Primo for $699. I imagine a blackpackpro with rod holders would swiftly transform that rec into a good fisher. Saves enough money to buy one of those 20 ounce paddles.
Yuk, keep your kayak. My 12ft aluminum john boat weighs less and is more stable. Cost $100.00 used in Craigslist. 😂😂😂😂
Neat
Come on to the NATIVE FAMILY 😂😂😂 TITAN X is king BUT I feel that's every market every market is TRASH we buying pritty trash cars homes this that ALL OF IT. I recently got the 12.5x waiting on my On The Water Innovations trailer and my BURB rollin to tug this behemoths around plan to get at least 3 YAKS in the near future i appreciate all that you do and because of you and many others channels lit an inspirational fire in me to start my channel only shorts ATM just got the CPU built and working towards weekly content as well gotta start somewhere MAHALO NUI LOA(THANK YOU 2 SOO MUCH) 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽🙏🏽♾️☯️💯🔥
Jackson Knarr has been my golden goose! I will say, a good prop drive is fucking sweet, apart from weeds.
Hobie was bought by investors who have no reason being into kayaks other than profit, and have run down the business.
Hobie is refusing fair warranty claims which is really bad news, fantastic products when they work, but you need to have a local dealer to help you if ANYTHING happens.
New factory is in Mexico as well.
I’ll be saving up for the BlueSky 360 angler in the future.
Mad respect actually staying true to what you want your Channel to be and actually doing what you feel is right
gave my hobie to my sun very disappointed it . what a lemon !!!!!
Also like to mention that by law there should be a safety recall on this as people could be placed into danger situations on the water if they can't maneuver their kayak. I get that you should have a paddle in case of emergency but some people aren't strong paddlers or all their energy is spent from fishing all day that they don't have the energy to paddle, especially in high winds or long distance. Clearly it's a defect on the product as it's becoming a common issue.
Here is the problem, human power is been on its way out..
Consumers are more an more going electric power. The new tech for the hobie drive is to complicated, period!
Hobie needs to focus on a boat like the nucanoe unlimited or bonafide pwd 129 that people can build the way they want
It’s definitely a 360 thing had my 180 for four years and I finally broke a fin on my drive.
That’s awesome!
Absolutely love my Sportsman PDL. Incredible balance of capabilities, quality, value, and service.
What about the new 360 they just dropped that you can use an old 360 drive in 💀 So stupid ! It’s like Torqeedo making the new motor coming out that you can use the old batteries with ! Scam companies man ….Yes I do own a Hobie 360 and a Torqeedo 😂 Before I knew the truth
I think the kayak decision is a bunch of factors. For me was the best kayak for the body of water I fish, I am older and be able to lift. If you have or not have fishing skills a basic kayak will do the job
kovid kayaks are flooding the used market, this is hurting the new kayak market. It’s a Golden Age for anyone wanting a kayak, prices are coming down big time
Sheesh. I really wanted a PA14 360. Always a dream kayak. Maybe I’ll hold onto my Outback instead.. I’ve had no issues with it… knock on wood.
I have one and it kicks ass. No more picking up a paddle to make small adjustments on each cast. No more burned out shoulders.
6 years ago i tried my buddies kayak and i snap the cabled on the reverse and bought him an new one and few weeks later got it fix and i try the hobie again and snap the other one .... the quality has never been there thats why i can never buy an hobie
Since I've never owned a Hobie I am not comfortable dissing them, but I do like my Old Town Sportsman 120.
That what Hobie wants though, they want your drive to break or else they won't make money because people aren't buying Hobies as much anymore.. Oldtown and Native have taken over. Lower price point instant reverse etc. 5yr warranty on my Oldtown sportsmen 120 PDL and life time on my kayak.
Well R & D is always the same for any company and we pay the price. Lord good luck 😢😢
I have used my Old Town angler 10 for about 8 years now, and love it. I think I'm gonna try a bonafide next, hopefully this spring!
Spot on with Crescent being a great value. You’ll love those yaks!
Made the same decision a couple months ago. Went through 3 drives (one in 20 feet of water during a tournament) and it doesn’t do well with a bow mounted motor taking in gallons of water. I wanted reliability.
I’m mostly done rigging out my Old Town Autopilot 136. I love this thing. Enjoy Old Town guys!
I took one look at the complexity and the over-engineering that typically goes into the drive and said "oh hell no". The slam dunk for me was the the "rail system" again gear track is so simple and so easy to work with why would I want to start with a 35.00 clamp for every accessory to use the rail? So ya natives drive is very solid and simple. You can buy all the parts directly from Native and fix everything your self. Easy decision.
Really appreciating my cheaper pelican blitz100x even more after watching this lol. Nice vid:)
Whew. Makes me feel better about buying a Native,over the Hobie, for my first fishing kayak. I’d heard rumors about how bad the quality had gotten with Hobie. I looked at the Old Towns, specifically the Autopilot 136, but at $5000 I decided to save my marriage and get a less expensive one. Not sure yet if I made the right decision there 😂
6:49 🙋🏾♂️ i was there… watched it go down… and you didn’t even do anything. You were just coming to shore 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️👎🏾
Bahaha, left me hanging
I own an Outback and an Old Town PDL120. The Old Town is a superior value, hands down.
That’s what happens when you get all the “you get what you pay for” clowns that blindly pay top dollar for goods just because the name. These companies put out garbage parts and demand more and more money because they were once top dogs. It’s a shame. I wanted a PA 360 so bad. Guess I’m lucky I can’t afford one.
Do you guys fish in alot of shallow grassy areas? My main lake is all grass and 3-4 feet of water in a big part of the lake I fish. I feel like the Hobie's drive would actually be useable in that lake and the peddle drives in the old town or Native's would have to be stowed away. Thoughts?
We do! We’ve used props and fin drives on our lakes no problem. The fin drives can get just as clogged as props too
Seems y’all thought the new purchases through diligently, so it must be a great choice. I’m a fan of Old Town. Solid products.
I dumped my Kaku a week after I came home from Alabama.
Following your lead a bit. I left Jackson and Ecofishing Shop. Switched to an Old Town MK and have made myself an unrestrained free agent for non-biased fishing content for 2024. Heard Hobie made some poor manufacturing choices that have led to this issue everywhere, and it could be a better look for them.
Heck yeah man!
Looove it
My Lifetime Tamarack Pro is still my favorite. Lol
I like my Native slayer max propel 10. I would not want a bigger kayak.
I randomly found your channel by the algorithm recommending it, you guys actually seem really cool.
It's a shame you went from bad kayaks to even worse kayaks.
See my other comments, Native Titan X beats every brand in the world for fishing, everything else is trash by comparison.
I wouldn’t say even worse at all. The Titan X is great, just not what we were able to get our hands on. Could still happen in the future
Hey old town pdl 110 is the best invest ment I’ve made I got a gamin 9sv sidescan-downscan it never fails to put me on the fish. The drive is the bulletproof because of the simplistic design. I will stand by the reliability.
Titan x 10.5 is THE ONLY KAYAK worth thr money right now. Better in every single way and aspect.
The Titan x is awesome, but why are Titan X fans so aggressive about it 😂
lol at least your hobie didn't sink within 5 min first time in the water. , happened to my neighbor. he was so excited getting it. had to use my 500 kyak and my scuba gear to recover it out of the creek . that was 8 months ago and he still hasn't got a penny back. and the dealer refused to take it back. in fact the dealer told him he no longer sells them. he himself is fed up with claims not being taken care of. so my neighbor bought a sun dolphin boss 12 ss like i have. do not use the hobie cart on the pa 14 . but i feel the scupper issue was bad when bought ,,, he pulled it on the cart 40 yds across his yard to the creek. but i can tell you that is where all the water poured out.
JEEZ!
Number 1 reason I didn’t buy a hobie. I went native watercraft and have been extremely happy.
I'm looking at a Jackson or Old Town for my next kayak for this reason.
I just picked up a brand new old town 106 for 1500.
Came with everything! Fish finder and everything.
Got it from an older man who was a kayak fisherman. He gave me everything!
I literally have 4k worth of gear for 1500.
Blessed.
But... I live in Colorado. So I have to wait until march to use it😂
Thanks Guys never trusted the 360 too many things to go wrong. Ive got the outback with the 180 and think its very reliable. Good luck with your new brand.
They changed ownership now it’s just a brand name and no longer great service…taking profit over customer service.
Happening with a lot of companies...
Ha…ha… What is a Hobie? Old Town Sportsman PDL 106 all the way!!!!
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Kayaks have came full circle to a normal boat now lol
Welcome to the dark side. The one where you have awesome customer serviceand an axtual dependable kayak!
So, the Light Side? Lol
@@aaanglers thinking yes. Congrats! Gonna love it
I couldn’t talk myself into getting a new Hobie PA I just kept coming back to the fact I could get a 2 year old Outback FULLY loaded at half price. Also the fact that any gen drive will work if the md180 fails…apart from the 360 of course 🤷♂️