Battletome Blades of Khorne 2023 - Full Review
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GW: All right, we need to write the new Khorne book. Our chaos god of bloodshed, murder, war, violence and hatred. I was thinking we make them really techy, hit like wet noodles and as hard as warm butter. I guess it's a good thing I got into them because they just look so dang cool.
😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
*Sees the way the meta is heading and completely changes their tune*
Nah, Khorne would want you to use the bag of kittens as an adorable flail with which to bludgeon people who don't like kittens into red paste.
Hello yes we've released a battletome for the super fast glass cannon god, they're tanks now. We also made a book for the straightforward combat god, they're super fast and don't do any damage unless you overlap 17 different aura buffs. Please spend £500 on an army immediately.
And we took most of the fight on death out of the straightforward combat god book, while giving it to the fast glass cannon god book instead.
This guy is such an honest wargamer. Respect.
I can see many players will take the Command Entourage with the prayer upgrade to give double prayer options.
I'm glad my whole daemon army doesn't need to rely on mortal hero's anymore. It ruined a whole theme for me and was what held back the old battletome so much.
Watching this video again after discussing with my pals..
This is the most out of turn sequence melee army in AoS. So many tricks to combo.
The potential for so many amazing unstoppable tricks is ridiculous. Interestingly, Slaanesh battletome has some good counters.
To all those hating this battletome, complaining and saying that's is not powerful enough, you are so blind. Blade of Khorne is now really powerful. To those who can see and collect this army, a great time is coming.
Top tier army incoming.
Do I express that you can in the video? I hope so
Agreed
They got a great glow up
Blood for the blood god !
#murderolls
Skulls for the skull throne 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Hey Rob does this mean a blood thirster can be a priest and chant on himself to pull units into combat or to double move itself? That’s wild!
Yes
better yet, cast the double move on the thirster with a slaughterpriest, then bloodbind with the thirster afterwards! (unless there is some weird wording that stops it)
@@eshubabadidi_974 + you could invest one bp to make an additional normal move
Hot take, I feel like Bloodlords faction is actually somewhat decent. Bloodletters are a bit expensive now, but they gained a lot of value too. Plus with the amount of recursion tech they have now I'm sure they could prove to be good.
yeah and plus it's not bloodletter host keyworded it's just bloodletter so it would work on bloodcrushers too
@@zarozinia1168 not just bloodcrushers, also it includes skull cannons and most of the foot heroes, like skulltaker and bloodmaster
edit: seems like skull cannon lost the bloodletter keyword this edition, which means its out. maybe an FAQ will change this
Bloodletters are 180 for essentially a 2x reinforced unit. So as far as I am concerned, we just got a buff for a discount of 40 points
Yep Bloodletters look quite good. They should stick around somewhat and dish out. 5+ MW makes them scary in my opinion.
@@jonathanantoine6391 agreed, i hated lumineth for this reason although lumineth would reroll to fish out 15 mortal wounds.
Small correction (maybe I didn't see it get addressed) is the Locus of Fury ONLY affects daemons.
I like what I've seen of this book. Time to put my Exalted Deathbringer with Runeshield on the shelf. *sniff*
I like skarbrand more now. He has less dmg but in the old tome he needed so much support and synergies. Now he just does his own thing which feels better.
5+ ward vs range is great imho and was the big weakness of this army. You can screen with cheap and or tanky units quite effectively so the loss of the ward save in close combat is legit.
Also its great that you dont need to spam bloodthirsters now.
You cam play whatever you want.
This book feels awesome and khorny aswell. I think khorne should not be just a timmy army the Brute Brainless khorne warriors is a theme but it is not the only aspect. As a god of blood and war the prayers and also fighting shenanigans should be the thing that a khorne army is capable off.. There is more to khorne than just berzerking rage.
Ogres orks or gargants can fill that slot better.
If you put the realmgore ritualist on the blood shrine and then desecrate it (terrain) and have a reinforced bloodreaver unit as a guard tha seems like a substantial (if immobile) threat for not many points.
Pouring one out for my kitbashed khorne dragon, but I am super excited to try out these new rules.
Go on, into the river then.
@@willd5328 hahaha, does Lake Michigan work?
@@acrylicchemist1432 big river
Can someone explain to me why the khorne dragon isn't legal anymore? Is it just the points being over 1000, so it can't be used in 2000pt games? Or was the monstrous arcanum finally changed?
@@d.c.4545 it’s “legended” meaning it’s no longer legal for matched play. You can, of course, use it when hanging out with your buds in the club, drinkin bottles of bub, however.
Bloodletters seem interesting to me? Their base damage is better, and their buffs are both easier to apply, and cheaper than what gutrippaz have access to. 2"/3+/3+/-1/1 is a decent base profile, unlike gutrippaz who need to choose between reach or 3s and can't get rend.
The real spice for bloodletters I think is actually curse, so you can ping mortals on hit rolls and on wound rolls.
Curse is 6s to hit, and you can't stack 2 different 6 to hit effects
@@kolari8971 for some reason I thought decapitating blow was on 6s to wound.
Thanks. It looks like a nice written battle tome.
I think a generic Mighty Lord of Khorne with 10 Skullreapers in a Galletian Command Battallion could be very interesting. Because the Mighty Lord's Command Ability would pull the Slullreapers into Always Strikes First. At least in this current season. Plus I like that Slullreapers have Curse built in. If you give them +1 attack from either the Bloodsecrator or the Blood Tithe Table, they're making 50 attacks with Daemonforged Weapons and 6's are mortals in addition. That's tasty damage even at Rend 1. I don't play Khorne myself, so maybe to a Khorne veteran they're nothing special, but I think Skullreapers are pretty solid.
(Edit: I thought you could +4 Rally Khorgoraths, since you can reinforce them and had a point about that. But you cannot, Bloodsecrator limits it to 3 or less wounds.)
Can’t 4+ rally a Khorgorath it has more than 3 wounds
@@kolari8971 Oh shoot, you right. I'll have to get rid of that.
Let's do this!!!
Really like your new focus on content on your channel. Super good review. I resubbed. Thanks for creating this.
Awesome, thank you! I'm making a huge commitment to quality content so glad it's noticed
Yeah man, definitely. I had unsubbed because your previous vid structure was more of a random discussion with friends and having fun, which is all good, but it was difficult for me to get the info I wanted inside that huge discussion. Your recent focus on creating more structured content, while keeping your fun sense of humor, makes it super entertaining AND educational.
Great review ❤
I know this is a Khorne review, but I think it would have been hilarious if GW gave Thanquol the ability it accidentally summon skarbrand like he did in the old world lol
He still can on a natural roll of 13
@@40KWill with 2d6
@@malickmeziani_FreePalestine indeed. Just like the old Dreaded Thirteenth Spell
You know in the past I haven't really enjoyed your content, but I always believe in giving people chances in the future to win me over. You have definitely done that with this one! Rock on my dude
So keen!
The Skullreapers are great when you add attacks, end up with 6 attacks each. Make them a unit of 10 and thats 60 attacks with a chance of mortals in addition. They are a meat grinder.
compare them to the vast majority of good hammers in game, and they do less damage while still using multiple overlapping buffs
Even at that level you just described, they are at the output of STD chosen, with far more moving parts + investment.
@@matthewpink123 Unbuffed, 10 Reapers do barely 50% of the damage of 10 Chosen, 66% vs a 2+ save.
You have to give them +1 attacks, +1 rend and +1 to hit before they're even equal to 10 unbuffed Chosen against most saves (and at this point slightly overperform vs a 2+)
However you give Chosen any form of buff, either AoA or Daemonic Power (which they'll always have) and it's literally impossible for Skullreapers to match them, regardless of buffs stacked
The BTP table is a bit odd. Probably should have been:
1 spell eater
2 let the blood flow
3 murderlust
4 brass meteor
5 frenzy
6 rising hatred
7 heads must roll
8 triumph
this is a great review especially as i have 50 blood warrioirs, 50 reavers and 7 khorgaraths! lol
LETS GOOOOOO. #MURDERROLLS
someone bulk brought the half a starter set 😂
Thanks for another great review! I think this book looks great, mostly better than the previous one. A lot of people don't realise how much an experienced player can squeeze out of these rules.
I'm consumed by the idea of playing a full house full hero GORETIDE GORECHOSEN army of 8 guys, one of them Dromm with his own gorechosen. Then 30 reavers and blood Warriors and wrathmongers. The gorechosen combos sound very fun
Multiple BT's are still a thing, although expensive. You can get up to 4 BT's swinging first in your turn!
yeah but 2 of them average less than 5 damage...
I need honest wargamer merch with the tagline "Yeet them in"
blood letters is like gutrippas that can get 2+ to hit 2+ to wound with rend -2 walk twice + d6 and than charge 3d6, so they are like gutrippas but they can get into melee and will hit like a brick
And a survivability mechanic that isn't a Wall of text and Morale of a goblin
Blood Reavers die in even bigger droves than Gutrippers and don't deal mortal wounds (esp buffed mortal wounds via Sludgeraker)
This isn't to say Kruleboyz are secretly great, just that you may not be properly taking in all the synergies they have
Kruleboyz, atm, are more over costed than fundamentally bad
Which of the two new chaos books du you like the most? The Slaanesh one or Blades of khorne? ty for doing this videos its been a pleasure listening too
I think missed that the boomthirster is 3+d3 damage, makes it quite a bit spicier
One of them is. I dont think it's good
@@TheHonestWargamer Granted haha. The hitting on 4s is a blessing for all of us who don’t play khorne.
@@zachboyce9728 damage wise hes far worse, he lost the double tap and the 1 rr
Man reapers of vengence really went from the best freaking thing in the book to absolute hot garbage, also loosing all the spice on the bloodthirsters really feels bad.
This is typical GW
Take the over performer of previous book and nerf to the ground in New book
Ex:
2.0 SCE did a lot with Anvils of Heldenhammer for double shoot and double fight
In 3.0? The Anvils are hot garbage
13:30 Why is the depravity table in slaanesh not connected to their summons? Don't you lose the effects of the passive buffs, if you drop below their threshold by spending depravity on summons?
Diagnosis Murder Rolls
Yes they are currently endless spells. Geedubs missed an opportunity to make tie them to the blood tithe rather be cast by priests. It's the same thing as endless spells. If they just appeared after a certain level of blood tithe they'd be interesting.
Where are the special monstrous actions, or the heroic actions ?
What bothers me is that Khorne armies kind of have to take priests now. As many as possible really. The "warrior heros" are mostly pointless.
Note that the bleeding icon says no effect on Khorne units...it doesn't say "friendly Khorne units" which is quite amusing.
Pile on the extra attacks? What extra attacks? there's a once per game from the Bloodsecrator who is just useful enough to be taken in a list despite not being a priest, good old reliable crutch is here to stay. Then there's the wholly within 8" of wrathmongers, and 20 Blood warriors don't fit, let alone 30 Blood reavers.
The +1 attack for 8 Blood tithe might as well not even be printed, you'll never get to 8, you'll have spent it for useful effects up to 4....any more blood tithe than that will be going on a 20 pack of bloodletters or a bloodthirster.
The arcane tome shouldn't be available to anything with the Khorne keyword...Most Khorne players won't even want to put the arcane tome on anything...Hopefully it will be FAQ'd
Just like Khorne players won't summon Riptooth just to sacrifice the goodest boy for 2 measly blood tithe.
Note that Valkia is still only mortal, not daemon. But worse still is that she didn't get a new model.
Skullreapers are still bad...they could at least ignore ward saves to make them a little different...
All in all, yes this book is an improvement over the previous one, then again it didn't need much. Basically they've changed all the fight on death and MWs on death by the murder rolls, that's good. They've bumped the spell ignore up to a 5+ because it's pointless quite often (armies will be casting buffs on themselves, not on our dudes)
It might be better, but it's an uninspired copy/paste of the previous book just like the one before it was. What a disappointment....
We absolutely will use Arcane Tome & Riptooth sacrifice, this book needs all the help it can get
@HonestWG can you explain me how the Bloodsecrator Blood-banner thingy works?
Where can i find the Pdf?
I've watched several previews for this book, and I think I'm just understanding it with you. Thank you for repeating rules and interactions. I'm looking to play Khorne. Brain not big. Tell me stuff good
Glad it was helpful!
Bloodreavers don't get 5+ ward. Only demon units get 5+ against shooting.
Thanks babe
Sorry if I missed where this was addressed in the video, but what's the ally pool? Can you take STD cultists (which are undivided) as allies, or are you just locked out of taking those completely?
Coalition
You take them as coalition, which doesn't use up ally points
@@cmleibenguth STD cultists have the undivided mark, so they can't be taken as coalition. I got a look at the book earlier and bizarrely the allies list is only BoC, and only units that can be taken as BoC coalition, which is completely redundant. It feels like a typo honestly, the other 3 Chaos Gods all have access to STD on the allies list for units that don't qualify under Coalition (and that don't have traditionally opposed marks).
Isn't slanesh depravity the summoning ability for slanesh that is basically like bloodtithe points?
That would be correct. Slaanesh and khorne both have to weigh out having more buffs from their points or summoning with their points
What are the cheapest chaos battlescrolls you can get chopped up for tithe?
I guess the best options are Chaos Spawn (70 in StD and 65 in BoC) or Razorgors (65). As single models, they can die after a few chants giving an extra BT. Other interesting options are Tarantulos Brutes and Splintered Fang as they can revive models. Or you just go with Skarr Bloodwrath, sacrifice him and revive him anywhere you need.
You'll just use Reavers at 80pts/10 most of the time. There are slightly cheaper options elsewhere but they don't fulfill a second function outside of Blood Tithe, like Reavers do
The new bloodletters.. I can see a group of 30 bloodletters with 3 bloodthirsters and a nearby group of wrathmongers will be absolutely disgusting. Take the bloodlords slaughterhost and they are a very solid choice. I can see a list around 3 thirsters, a bloodmaster and 30 bloodletters being a meta comp; Unless im wrong about this, but that also may mean you can make almost your entire army alwasy fight first on everything on your turn; fighting one after another.. i.e. bloodmaster > bloodletters, and Wrath of Khorne thirster > Another thirster and have the third thirster take halo of blood.
The 8" range for the ward save also stops silly arguments over whether or not deep striking units shut off the ward save at 9". I still would obviously have preferred it be at 3", but that would be too thematic and fun.
@@Archkyrie11 hence why it's silly
Yeah, obviously. It's a dumb range and a throwaway comment for the algorithm. Hence, silly.
Hashtag murder roll
I wish there was something to shut down unleash hell, and that hero’s and monsters were worth 2 blood tithe. I’d also like to see some sort of extra hero battalion or something. So many hero’s not viable in competitive scene.
Isn't anyone gonna comment that the Bloodsecrator review isn't correct? It's no longer an aoe aura of 16".. There's no range written! So it's the whole battlefield
I got that wrong thanks!! Appreciate it
Nice book review mate, where'd you get it?
The shit book shop
@@TheHonestWargamer this made me laugh more than it should have
@@TheHonestWargamer frequent flyer there?
Give a BT arcane tome with flaming weapon. So He will Do ok dmg. Fluffwise say: He goes super Sajin and channels his rage in his not so mighty axe... xD
Khorne!
Dunno why but I found this thumbnail really funny
Hahah reverse of the other one. Surely that's great meme energy
@@TheHonestWargamer sorta reminds me of the Drake meme, but I think you’d be rejecting Khorne and saying Slaanesh is my jam.
Thanks, Rob! BFTBG
Wololo OP
Played against new Khorne the other day. Their prayers are like spells you can't unbind. #nomagic 🙃That said. Seems like a cool army to play. Actually super techy
It does imho look like khorne is a thinking mans army with all the overlapping stuff and managing your tithe.
It’s not an easy army to build and space properly. However, with everything in this game it gets easier with practice
Always has been in AoS
Same for new Khorne team in Bloodbowl
Comments for the algorithm god
Man I wish the vermin lords were close to as good as the blood thirsters cause from using them for years they don't seem as good for the same or cost more points wise and are only used for there spells if that on top of skaven having one build that works while every new book has what feels like alot of love with a variety of builds
The unfortunate fact of this book is that every bloodthirster sucks
@@kolari8971 but I can see why people would use them or see people doing good with them but the only reason you take a deceiver is for the sitter leap and the war bringer for death frenzy other wise they are actually worse then a foot hero in most cases
@@xgeekiexD Bloodthirsters are literally the exact same. You might take an Unfettered for the -1 to hit bubble, or Skarbrand to… be Skarbrand.
But their damage is barely above an average Galletian Champion, and Skarbrand’s output is like 30% of what it used to be
@@kolari8971 true I am not denying that but they are both bad models and need a bit of reworking ether way
Mighty skull crushers! More deamon more better
#murderrolls
So your saying that Khorne cannot deny Total Eclipse huh?
God do I hate the fact that every army seems to be getting a 4+ rally.
Just bot skaven no.
Apparently we aren’t a horde army
I think they could have squeezed a few more 8 references in there because after all it is KhORnEs NuMb3R HAhaAha. -_-
Wait…. Big Khorne dragon is not playable anymore? Seriously? Why though?
Cause games workshop don't care about their customers
@@TheHonestWargamer lmao I get that but what’s the technical reason? I still see it as an option in the army builder and it’s wars scroll is still up on the app. Is he not playable because a keyword or something?
Hexgorger Skulls seem like they really nicely shut down Lumineth (as long as my memory is correct and most of their units are wizards).
Edit: Don't the Keepers have the same wounds and armour saves? Sure they're more likely to have a -1 to hit but I'd say Bloodthirsters are on par with them and cheaper than them.
Edit 2: NGL, after watching this I am pretty deflated ony Khorne, which is a real shame because they were my first AoS army. Part of my disappointment comes from them coming out at the same time as Slaanesh who have mechanics that are way cooler and flashier to me. GW have written themselves into a corner mechanically with Khorne (and this really showed itself with the half-baked World Eaters codex for 40k), where they've decided he's the combat God and *nothing else*.
Being so linier is really hurting the design space for Khornate armies, let's not forget the greatest forges of Chaos are in his realm, so where are the big stompy war machines? Where are the blood flamethrowers and skull bazookas? Of all the mono-God factions Khorne should probably have the most conventional shooting.
Ramble aside, guess I'll continue to shelve my Blades of Khorne in favour of Khorne marked Slaves to Darkness :(
Skulls don’t even work on Teclis, he doesn’t make casting rolls. Good times
@@kolari8971 I was mostly thinking of their units who cast the buff spells on themselves but I'll admit I don't know how much that changed in their new book.
You should rewatch the video
Khorne is going to be really strong
@@cmleibenguth you'll note from my comment that I don't mention the strength of the army but rather it's flavour and "flashiness" as sources of disappointment.
I still feel the +5 ward should of been both for shooting and magic army wide regardless of how close you are to the enemy. Khorne is all about close combat so he should be giving buffs to stop shooting and magic to force your enemy to play his way.
Was anyone else hoping for a complete rewrite for this book but felt like it just got a few rend and save points here and there but besides that barely changed?
It’s incredibly disappointing and we have to sit here and listen to non Khorne players tell us we should be happy to have expensive Gutrippaz as an option…
I was hoping BTP would be more like World Eaters and summoning would get removed but instead all they did was make everything 50% more expensive and put even more emphasis on daemons instead of mortals
@@Wymorn did you read the same book? The BTP system is the only good part, summoning is overcosted and almost all the daemons are useless
@@Wymorn the book looks fun for mortals tbh. I’ve been play mortal khorne for 5 years and they’ve never been the highest damage out of the armies in my play group. The army seems almost like a control army. Lots of walking into melee range, lots of speed. It actually feels kind of thematic that they aren’t an army that’s going to one shot everything, but they’ll have grindy games fighting over objectives. Honestly, put loads of reaver and warrior bodies on objectives with the goretide subfaction, use skullcrushers to pin an important shooting unit or an important hero in the back of the board, and win that way.
@@kennypalmer8971 if the grinding works as you describe then that would be good as that always what I’ve liked in games. Though I think myself and a lot of others were hoping to move away from the pillow fists and buff reliance and to something more like ironjawz but with more to them as that would feel rather thematic to Khorne I’d say.
Am i crazy. or is the picture of the Bloodreaver new? new models inc?? thats exciting!
It’s not. There’s not.
@@kolari8971 can you show me where I can get that particular model then? Cuz it looks much better than the ones I see on the gw website. Ahah
@@kolari8971 oh there in the start collecting kit. Ahha odd that those ones are a different sculpt 😂
The picture of the bloodreaver is the champion model from the original starter set.
@@kennypalmer8971 I see that now! Ahha wish they came separately like that. Ahah
i just love how the book that is supposed to be all about melee and duels and bloodshed, is being reviewed where evry single melee unit in the book is being discribed as mediocre melee profile, or just okayish. and again thirsters are piss poor joke of a monster. they should be the absolute devils on any battlefield reaping kills in the thousands yet any single melee foot hero less than half there points deals equal or more damage in melee compared to the freaking so called melee monster gods......
Nice glow up for juggernaut riders
Blood Warriors with 3+ armor is dumb
They can coalition normal Chaos Warriors for an anvil ( or add more Juggernauts )
The new rolls are just a side variant of SCE explosions
Army wide fight on death, even if not mortal wounds, would be more thematic
Bloodletters kinda tanky now with 2 wounds and 5+ ward vs long range shooting (Sentinels, SCE, and KO who don't have a death wish)
Great glow up for mortal units (save a slight nerf to Bloodsecrator - and then compensated for with that rally)
Maybe we won't just see Bloodthirster spam?
Too bad exalted Khorne hero with shield is gone
Guess he is just an Exalted Hero of Chaos now with mark of Khorne
Disagree
Apoplectic frenzy sounds awesome
Shows how crazy angry and blood thirsy they are
Feels a tiny bit lazy, like they had some good ideas but ran out of steam. No unique Monstrous actions. No unique Heroic actions. Lots of buffs specifically for Gorechosen keyword that no one asked for. Inexplicably useless Deathbringers (again). Must use multiple Priests every game (again). 1d3 dmg for Thirsters (again lol). Let's see what we can do with it I guess. The movement shenanigans are pretty fantastic. And it's nice that Bloodletters got a boost.
Trying to encourage people to use Mortal heroes other than Priests and Bloodsecrator
Not saying they were succesful or not, just pointing out the intent
I can’t believe I preordered the limited Ed battletome. This is the same shit as last time, great rules abysmally weak warscroll stats 😢
Fukn hell
They have strong warscrolls with overlapping buffs. Very few armies have to overlap the way khorne does. Khorne mortals aren’t the most straight up killing army. Overlap buffs, grind out on objectives, throw buckets of dice. The army is still incredibly fun
Imagine that the God of murder and bloodlust and war and melee combat etc has greater demons that are worse in melee then the wizard gods spellcasting demons.
GW have fucked up khorne for the entirity of AoS so far (d3 damage should be illegal)
🤡
Why are they so afraid of making bloodthirsters expensive yet terrifying monsters? Seeing 3-4 in a list is just stupid. They should be rare and expensive and kick ass because they’re the strongest daemons of the god of war! They need to be like 400 points minimum and have crazy damage output. D3 is insulting for any Khorne unit, let alone a fucking bloodthirster.
I definitely agree, healing units doesn't feel right in a Khorne army. It's one thing to have say your demon hero heal himself. That's about the extent I'd say makes sense for healing in Khorne.
I really dislike having every single ability in every army. Khorne doesn't have any magic. That's unique to them. The day they allow magic in Khorne is the day the game is officially ruined. Just throwing everything including the kitchen sink at an army just to try and sell models doesn't work.
40K definitely got the STONKS for greater daemons. Really disappointed in the Bloodthirsters in AOS
Why?
They're great
@@cmleibenguth they are great in regards to their rules. Just not the damage output you’d expect
This book suffers from the same thing as the last book, great rules and weak Warscrolls
HOT TAKE
GRAND strategies. Meaning they are quite big. Should actually be difficult to achieve. I disagree with having easy GS....what's the point then. You know going into a match that if nothing else you're getting 3 free points at the end. I prefer grand strategies to be difficult, interactive and fun. Not, have an invocation on the table 😒 (ya I'm looking at you dwarves)
Why the fuck did they bring back the D3 damage axe!!! This makes me so upset. Its absolutely trash!!! I played with that shit for 4 years, it’s never good
would have loved to see at least D3+1
Then play sth different
I’m also really fucking annoyed, it should be hits n wounds on 2 , -2 Rend, 3 dmg! This whole book is fucking lazy