Just played first game and wow! This video allows a new player like me to learn how to play a game of 40k! I bet I got some rules wrong along the way, but that can be corrected later when I play a game with a experienced player! My first game was a lot of fun, thanks!
That was a fantastic video. I'm sure that a hell of a lot of work went into making that but it's super concise and informative. I'll be sharing round my community here in Japan, so thanks so much!
I am new to the game and I am confused by benefit of cover, mainly because of the difference between models and units. The answer is probably staring me in the face but please help me. Here is the scenario: An attacking unit has five models and the target unit has 5 models. Only one of the models of the target unit is fully visible to all of the attacking models. How many models in the target unit can be fired at and/or take the effects of being fired on and what is the benefit of cover for the target unit?
As someone who barely knows anything about this game when it comes to how to play it (known a tonne about the lore for ages) this is a bit difficult to follow I guess because it's a lot of information crammed into short segments so I'm forgetting things almost as quickly as I've learned them. Perhaps I would be happier getting the core rules book so I can ruminate on it more.
What about HQ's that have Leader that also say, "This model can be attached to a unit that already has a Leader? Does that models Leader abilities still activate? For instance, Having a Foul Blightspawn attached to a unit of Plague Marines, being led by Lord of Contagion.
Do we know if it’s possible to embark more than one unit in a transport? E.g. 2 units of 5 models and 2 characters in a transport with a capacity of 12?
Absolutely, unless the transport specificies otherwise you could put 3 Bladeguard Veteran squads into something like a Land Raider if you really wanted to
I’d actually say the smaller the dice, the more fair and random the dice roll will be as it should rotate more times than a bigger dice! So people who use large dice are freaks to me!😅
If this was to my question in the first video about small dice etiquette, then thanks for the answer! Like I said in the last post, trying to go to my first event and be a good opponent. Watching tourney regulars talk makes me realize there are a lot of little details that are a matter of course for them, but that new players probably wouldn't even think of.
As someone who's only been into warhammer for a few months, trying to learn 9th and now 10th. This makes it so much easier. So thank you very much for this breakdown.
Thanks for making the changes, the video is sooooooooo much better now without all the static and I'll be using it loads as a reference whilst learning 10th.
In the engagement range section at 12:02, you state engagement range is defined as 1" horizontally, and 5" vertically. Then, in the charge phase example at 36:08, you state that the squad could not make the charge. Is this example a mistake? Making it to directly below them should constitute being within engagement range, making it possible to make a successful charge on a roll of 9+, or is it the case that you cannot declare the charge because the combined distance is >12" as per previous editions? (or some other oversight on my part?) Thanks for the incredibly detailed video, exciting to see the new edition coming together!
@The Honest Wargamer that's cool man, I definitely appreciate what you're doing. It's interesting to see elements of the rules that translated over from 9th and what didn't. Thanks.
Thanks for the reply, glad to know there wasn't some hidden rule change omitted somewhere. Easy mistake to make, especially when you're God knows how many hours deep into these rules explanations. I just think it's good to highlight from you personally, when many people will use this as a starting point for rules debates as the edition starts. An example where it would be the case is if the downstairs was impassable like a container, and the models on top were more than an inch from the closest edge.(I know you know this, just for anyone new) thanks again for your hard work on this, awesome resource.
I'm currently 24 minutes into the video & bro I needed to put you at .5 speed 😅 so many key words to remember & what means what 🤯 I'm brand new to 40k so yeah this definitely is alot 🤯
MORE LIKE THIS PLEASE!! this is the 4th time ive watched this video all the way through, while painting miniatures, its really helped me to get a solid grip on the rules system, maybe an advance or FAQ style one next, or faction specific rules breakdown. really appreciate the hard work you put into this. Also you have a much better presentation, personality, voice and vibe than alot of other similar channels i have come across, the british accent helps a tonne. thanks bro
Question concerning Ruins and visibility and whether they get benefit of cover in this situation: A unit of Necron Warriros vs a unit of Intercessors (only as an example) If there is a unit of Warriors inside of the terrain feature (open back of the ruins so it only covers the front and side) what if the intercessors go behind the ruins so the unit of warriors become fully visible - would that remove the benefit of cover since you are now fully visible even though the benefit of cover rule states "Wholly within this terrain feature or not fully visible" as they are still fully within the terrain but just fully visible now I'd be expecting it to be the benefit of cover is removed but wording is still a bit iffy.
A question a lot of people have asked. Aircraft and towering and ruins: You can shoot them through ruins if you have true line of sight to them. However can they shoot back?
Overall, this is a wonderful service to the community. But one joke just bugs me. Everything being in inches in England. Except 40mm bases for Objective Markers.
I thought it was just me that the status was bothering, it became nauseating to the point I could only listen to the video, and not watch it. props on the reupload
One tip for anyone like me just getting started I essentially played a bunch of games against myself to be able to go through the flow. Having this video playing and referencing it helped me understand the gameplay
I didn't scroll deep into the comments; did anyone mention the sequencing in the Combat phase? The new rules call out, "In both steps of the Fight phase, players alternate selecting eligible units from their army, one at a time, starting with the player whose turn is not taking place, and fighting with them." So, even in the Fight First phase, it starts with the Defender/Players whose turn it is not. FYI!
10th? WTF? I haven't even finished painting all my Indomitus boxed set figures, let alone ploughed through the brick of a 9th edition rulebook... guess I don't have to now. 11th edition will be out by the time I've finished the figures.
Overall this is great but man you cover the attack and damage part so fast. Its like you just want to get it over with but from a new players perspective this is the part I want to learn most. Can you do another video that covers just this part and slow it down, a lot... FYI I didn't watch the rest after trying to watch this part 3 times.
Jeez, the combat phase is messy as fuck... So to get this straight, there is no alternating activations? I though I read that after the fight first thing the player whose turn is not currently on gets to do some combat first? I either made that up completely, or you didn't explain it very well.
36:08 you talk about charging a unit at a higher level of terrain, are you sure that you would need to measure the vertical distance? The target of the charge should have an engagement range of 5'' vertical and 1'' horizontal. The blade guard veterans would still be in engagement range on the lower floor EDIT: nvm already caught in another comment > this is indeed a mistake
battle shock sucks and units dyeing from it is even more dumb, there's no reason for it. I miss 3rd edition, also engagement distance vertically is 5" is it not? so they are not 9"s away they are 5"s because engagement distance is 1"? and it says IF IT CAN be in base to base But you can still melee at 1" away. 36:17 loads of questions and do you have the rules on you to confirm these claims?
I played my very first game yesterday it was a small game (500 points) and I lost but I still had so much fun I can't wait to play another game and learn more!
I came to learn how to play w40k then got immediately put off by sheer amount of shit to know.......... I will never be able to play the table top.. :(
Do you gauge cover on a model by model basis or unit by unit? If models does that mean some models in a unit get a cover save and some don’t? Or if half the unit isn’t visible does the whole unit get a cover save
So if i use Rapid Ingress on a unit with Deepstrike does it have the restrictions of 6" from the edge like the rest or can i place it anywhere like a normal Deepstrike?
Super comprehensive and clear explanation of the rules. I'll be getting my gaming group to watch it as we plan to get into 40K with the advent of 10th edition. Thanks for all your hard work on the video.
I thought GW was going to fit the rules into a single page or am I mistaken? Even if this much more skimmed compared to previous editions, it is still a lot to remember for someone completely new. I watched a video on the rules from the Rogue Trader days, and sure, the rules now are nothing compared to how complicated playing Warhammer used to be. I remember getting into 40k as a kid back in 5th edition with the Battle for Black Reach starter set and it took me a couple of weeks to read "just" the rules. My lil brother had no chance of getting what was going and I still had to constantly check the rulesbook when it came to the assault phase. It feels like GW compulsively wants to just add rules to everything. I don't think we really need rules for specific types of terrain, for example. Less is often more, especially when trying to get people into the hobby.
you and your buddies are totally free (and encouraged) to ignore a lot of this stuff if it's too crunchy. Most of these rules are written with at least an eye towards competitive play and where you find competition, you'll find rules pedants and annoying "well, actually..." guys and so GW needs to get *very* specific about things. And it gets very, very silly at times. So unless you travel a lot and need to play a set of rules you know will be standard at every game shop you go to, or youre trying to play tournaments... just fudge a lot of this stuff.
Hello Rob I just wanted to say thanks for this video. I was one the fence about playing 10 edition. You teaching help me see that 10 edition is a least worth trying.
I'm confused about the engagement range rule. The rule says you cannot set up or end models on normal, adv, fall back moves. But how do models end up in engagement range anyways? If I have a unit that's 10" away from an enemy unit, I move up 6" (4" awake from enemy) then I'm in engagement range? Or am I not allowed to do that since it's ending a normal move within engagement range. I am assuming a model/unit makes a charge and that's how the unit gets into engagement range.
In the fight phase at 38:54 , you said "If all of one player's units have fought then the other player can resolve all of their combats". Isn't it supposed to be alternating between players?
Sequencing doesn't apply at all in the fight phase. "In both steps of the Fight Phase, players alternate selecting eligible units from their army, one at a time, starting with the player whose turn is not taking place, and fighting with with them." Exact text from page 32 of the new rules
My attention dropped after 15 minutes. As much as I like 40k: needing 1 hour to explain the game to someone is waaay too complicated. I played a bit of 7th edition and I think I tried a small game at 8th edition once with about 5 units (HQ, 2 troops, 1 fast, 1 heavy) and not only had I to learn everything and keep track of my stuff, I also had to re-explain to my casual opponent every 5 minutes and keep track of his stuff too (wounds, movement, abilities). And as a game takes a couple of hours, I was ready for some holidays afterwards. And then 40k came up with all those command points, more special abilities, different movement ranges which made me completely lost. And to make things worse, the rules change every couple of months with new codexes and campaign books, errata and every two years or so with a new edition (before you get your army completely assembled and painted, of course). I can just barely play 7th edition and Horus Heresy 1.0 in 2023 and think those rules are way too complicated already; like movement through terrain - how far? Moving with jump infantry, all types of close combat weapons with initiative, the damage tables (yeah, one could basically calculate them on the fly but damn...), and I almost never used psyker units because that requires more rules and a lot of searching through the rule book. All these special rules make up a couple of pages in BattleScribe; looking that stuff up on that like 2 pages of text or even looking it up in the core rules and reading is so tedious. I recently found One Page Rules - it seems to keep the basic stuff I know and drops the complicated rest completely. Great alternative. Then they came up with KillTeam and while it shares some mechanics with 40k you have to keep track of your like 5-10 specialist units where everyone has unique rules... ok, I'm out! If any - ANY - kind of game requires more than 10 minutes of explanation, constant status tracking, it is not fun - because those are menial tasks that have to be eliminated completely from the game because that is not what the game is about! All games that are a couple of hundreds or thousands of years old have simple rules but complex strategies. Those are masterpieces. 40k isn't one like that.
@@1337foxs no, I am over 40 and don't have time for this shit: I want to play casually. Board games like Catan and all that stuff that have like 20 pages of rules are a mood killer. You don't have much time, want to play a game with friends and in that evening where you have maybe 3 hours to spend with them, you take 1 hour to explain some effing game, no matter how nice it is? Nope, nope nope. And even if you did explain one hour how it works, do you think people remember all that? How to move with different units, how to move through terrain, how cover works, what the units can do and all that crap? Ah, and then always comes the moment when you half-recall how a rule works and then you try to find them for 10 minutes in the badly badly badly written rulebook. Weapons in the middle, army stuff at the back universal rules somewhere else in the middle, you are skimming through the book like an idiot that is 50-80% useless fluff text (talking about 7th edition here, obviously) and then you find the rule, like tank shock and start guessing how it is supposed to work because it is ambiguously written, you lookup a video of 15 minutes where they explain it, but the comments state that this is wrong, now lookup FAQ and supplements if that has been rewritten - yeah, come on... FUXXX Warhammer.
Small dice are for creeps? I've seen more people "drop" large dice instead of roll them, and every time I want to say, "Hey, maybe you could put a little more spin on your dice." But of course, that would be rude, so most of the time I just take it. Never have that problem with small dice, they always get good rolls.
That unit cohesion rule is dog s***. Point blank people will abuse this system to make multi Model units worthless. That rule alone will almost make it only viable to use single model units. unless you require a certain amount of spacing between obstacles and barriers, But then that would just make the rule pointless.
Just found out for Orks you can have a max unit of 6 boys because the rest of the unit is beyond 2 inches and will be destroyed. Which makes the unit literally incapable of destroying or even damaging certain Characters due to shrugs and wounds.
What happens when you try to move your men behind cover. Are you then forced to either just sacrifice units that are out of cohesion? Or are we forced to just leave our models there to be shot at and have zero cover. Or are you changing how cover works to make A-line of site rules pointless?
The static wasn't an issue for me watching the original upload, but seeing this when coming back to rewatch it today, I can say that I do appreciate this re-upload. I think I'm probably going to come back to this one if I need a reference for something lol
The rules are surprisingly simple the way the official Warhammer channel explained it in their 8 min video. The only thing I'm wondering about are options to disengage from melee. It seems once you get bogged down after the charge phase it's pretty much a slugging match from there on. It looks like there are only penalties for trying to reposition a weaker unit from getting torn apart.
havent played since second edition...back when terminators rode motorcycles and all the figs were literal weapons... this video was a good catchup, but its going to take some playthroughs to fully get up to speed
I’m new to 40 k, watched this 5 times and I still don’t get it 😂👏💯 great video tho I’ll get there
Update
Just played first game and wow! This video allows a new player like me to learn how to play a game of 40k! I bet I got some rules wrong along the way, but that can be corrected later when I play a game with a experienced player! My first game was a lot of fun, thanks!
That was a fantastic video. I'm sure that a hell of a lot of work went into making that but it's super concise and informative. I'll be sharing round my community here in Japan, so thanks so much!
This is exactly what I needed as a brand new player ❤
I am getting wicked sick deja vu
Me too
Thanks for the update Rob, gonna pass this one around Discord.
Happy we could sort it
I am new to the game and I am confused by benefit of cover, mainly because of the difference between models and units. The answer is probably staring me in the face but please help me. Here is the scenario:
An attacking unit has five models and the target unit has 5 models. Only one of the models of the target unit is fully visible to all of the attacking models. How many models in the target unit can be fired at and/or take the effects of being fired on and what is the benefit of cover for the target unit?
As someone who barely knows anything about this game when it comes to how to play it (known a tonne about the lore for ages) this is a bit difficult to follow I guess because it's a lot of information crammed into short segments so I'm forgetting things almost as quickly as I've learned them. Perhaps I would be happier getting the core rules book so I can ruminate on it more.
What about HQ's that have Leader that also say, "This model can be attached to a unit that already has a Leader?
Does that models Leader abilities still activate?
For instance, Having a Foul Blightspawn attached to a unit of Plague Marines, being led by Lord of Contagion.
I look forward to the sequel.
I believe @ 11:27 the first bullet point should read 3" - not 2", right?
Anyway, high value video, thank you!
Wow, comprehensive.
Me watching this even having the book that I haven't yet even touched...
Do we know if it’s possible to embark more than one unit in a transport? E.g. 2 units of 5 models and 2 characters in a transport with a capacity of 12?
Absolutely, unless the transport specificies otherwise you could put 3 Bladeguard Veteran squads into something like a Land Raider if you really wanted to
Can units with Fly move over terrain at all or are they forced to move round?
They can fly over
@@TheHonestWargamer Thanks!
30 years later still way to complicated 😅 for example why would an experienced soldier go into battle with a weapon he can’t use lol?
Finally tuned out about 15 minutes in. Way too many way too complicated rules for a game.
Thank you for removing the static - made the great video even better. This will now be the default 10th edition rules video for all players.
Old world crew back again!
Well done folks, video is 10000x better without the static cuts!
Appreciated
42:07 Pateron Thank you
42:29 Doing Damage
47:45 Mortal Wounds
48:20 Deadly Demise
49:03 Weapon Abilities (General Info)
49:18 Assault
49:21 Rapid Fire
49:32 Ignore Cover
49:38 Twin-Linked
49:43 Pistol
49:57 Torrent
50:02 Lethal Hits
50:14 Lance
50:19 Indirect Fire
50:32 Percision
50:40 Blast
51:07 Melta
51:15 Heavy
51:22 Hazardous
51:45 Devastating Wounds
52:06 Sustained Hits
52:22 Anti-KEYWORD
52:52 Leader
54:28 Transports
57:28 Aircraft
59:01 Hover (Aircraft)
1:00:19 Editorial Note (Terrain)
1:00:55 Determining Visibility
1:01:44 Cover
1:02:18 Movement (Terrain) Reminder
1:02:46 Craters & Rubble
1:03:01 Barricades & Fuel Pipes
1:03:50 Woods
1:04:38 Debris & Statuary
1:04:56 Hills, Containers, Etc.
1:05:26 Ruins
1:07:09 Universal Stratagems
1:11:20 Objectives
1:12:22 Conclusion
Great video for beginners so here are the rest of the time stamps!
THANKYOU
Not all heroes wear capes!
I’d actually say the smaller the dice, the more fair and random the dice roll will be as it should rotate more times than a bigger dice! So people who use large dice are freaks to me!😅
Small dice are the superior dice
If this was to my question in the first video about small dice etiquette, then thanks for the answer! Like I said in the last post, trying to go to my first event and be a good opponent. Watching tourney regulars talk makes me realize there are a lot of little details that are a matter of course for them, but that new players probably wouldn't even think of.
I have a set of 1/8" d6. Drop a handful onto a hard surface and the scatter everywhere. Fun to get the initial reaction, but useless otherwise.
As someone who's only been into warhammer for a few months, trying to learn 9th and now 10th. This makes it so much easier. So thank you very much for this breakdown.
Thanks for making the changes, the video is sooooooooo much better now without all the static and I'll be using it loads as a reference whilst learning 10th.
Happy we could sort it
Tbh there needs more transitions. Do you have any static style ones?
Imma kiss you
@@TheHonestWargamer don’t threaten me with a good time
I can't believe that I watched the entire video.
I can safely say, that I know alot more now. Of all rob's grey hair and wrinkles.
In the engagement range section at 12:02, you state engagement range is defined as 1" horizontally, and 5" vertically. Then, in the charge phase example at 36:08, you state that the squad could not make the charge. Is this example a mistake? Making it to directly below them should constitute being within engagement range, making it possible to make a successful charge on a roll of 9+, or is it the case that you cannot declare the charge because the combined distance is >12" as per previous editions? (or some other oversight on my part?) Thanks for the incredibly detailed video, exciting to see the new edition coming together!
I spotted this too. I think it's a mistake.
It is a mistake. I was trying to show have to measure over terrain but messed it up
@The Honest Wargamer that's cool man, I definitely appreciate what you're doing. It's interesting to see elements of the rules that translated over from 9th and what didn't. Thanks.
Thanks for the reply, glad to know there wasn't some hidden rule change omitted somewhere. Easy mistake to make, especially when you're God knows how many hours deep into these rules explanations. I just think it's good to highlight from you personally, when many people will use this as a starting point for rules debates as the edition starts. An example where it would be the case is if the downstairs was impassable like a container, and the models on top were more than an inch from the closest edge.(I know you know this, just for anyone new) thanks again for your hard work on this, awesome resource.
I'm currently 24 minutes into the video & bro I needed to put you at .5 speed 😅 so many key words to remember & what means what 🤯 I'm brand new to 40k so yeah this definitely is alot 🤯
this vid could do with static
MORE LIKE THIS PLEASE!! this is the 4th time ive watched this video all the way through, while painting miniatures, its really helped me to get a solid grip on the rules system, maybe an advance or FAQ style one next, or faction specific rules breakdown. really appreciate the hard work you put into this.
Also you have a much better presentation, personality, voice and vibe than alot of other similar channels i have come across, the british accent helps a tonne. thanks bro
Oh thank goodness! That static was horrible. It was making my eyes hurt.
I'm glad
Question concerning Ruins and visibility and whether they get benefit of cover in this situation:
A unit of Necron Warriros vs a unit of Intercessors (only as an example)
If there is a unit of Warriors inside of the terrain feature (open back of the ruins so it only covers the front and side) what if the intercessors go behind the ruins so the unit of warriors become fully visible - would that remove the benefit of cover since you are now fully visible even though the benefit of cover rule states "Wholly within this terrain feature or not fully visible" as they are still fully within the terrain but just fully visible now
I'd be expecting it to be the benefit of cover is removed but wording is still a bit iffy.
A question a lot of people have asked. Aircraft and towering and ruins: You can shoot them through ruins if you have true line of sight to them. However can they shoot back?
Overall, this is a wonderful service to the community. But one joke just bugs me. Everything being in inches in England. Except 40mm bases for Objective Markers.
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I thought it was just me that the status was bothering, it became nauseating to the point I could only listen to the video, and not watch it. props on the reupload
For someone who doesn’t keep up with all the leaks etc this is great 👏🏻🤟🏻👍
Thank you sir, I couldn’t get through the first video because of the static.
Yeah we are sorry about that. Just trying to make something good but appreciate the feedback
@@TheHonestWargamer all good, content is fantastic and the fact you uploaded a static free version earned a subscription… nobody does that, kudos.
I use tiny dice to track wounds. Your hate for tiny dice is lame.
This is actually the best tutorial I’ve seen. I’ve already played a few games and this is still so useful in clarifying many of the rules. THANK YOU!
Are you still reading the comments? This is so good
i am. Hi
Good video explained the rules well, thank you
One tip for anyone like me just getting started I essentially played a bunch of games against myself to be able to go through the flow. Having this video playing and referencing it helped me understand the gameplay
I didn't scroll deep into the comments; did anyone mention the sequencing in the Combat phase? The new rules call out, "In both steps of the Fight phase, players alternate selecting
eligible units from their army, one at a time, starting with the player whose turn is not taking place, and fighting with them." So, even in the Fight First phase, it starts with the Defender/Players whose turn it is not. FYI!
Page 32, in the first paragraph.
10th? WTF? I haven't even finished painting all my Indomitus boxed set figures, let alone ploughed through the brick of a 9th edition rulebook... guess I don't have to now. 11th edition will be out by the time I've finished the figures.
Overall this is great but man you cover the attack and damage part so fast. Its like you just want to get it over with but from a new players perspective this is the part I want to learn most. Can you do another video that covers just this part and slow it down, a lot... FYI I didn't watch the rest after trying to watch this part 3 times.
I wish you would've rolled dice to actually show it when you were talking about hits, wounds, etc..
No static...? There's static between every chapter 😋
Edit: This video is incredibly helpful to an motivated noob like me.
Jeez, the combat phase is messy as fuck...
So to get this straight, there is no alternating activations? I though I read that after the fight first thing the player whose turn is not currently on gets to do some combat first?
I either made that up completely, or you didn't explain it very well.
36:08 you talk about charging a unit at a higher level of terrain, are you sure that you would need to measure the vertical distance? The target of the charge should have an engagement range of 5'' vertical and 1'' horizontal. The blade guard veterans would still be in engagement range on the lower floor
EDIT: nvm already caught in another comment > this is indeed a mistake
battle shock sucks and units dyeing from it is even more dumb, there's no reason for it. I miss 3rd edition, also engagement distance vertically is 5" is it not? so they are not 9"s away they are 5"s because engagement distance is 1"? and it says IF IT CAN be in base to base But you can still melee at 1" away. 36:17 loads of questions and do you have the rules on you to confirm these claims?
I played my very first game yesterday it was a small game (500 points) and I lost but I still had so much fun I can't wait to play another game and learn more!
This is daunting but if I can master the rules of Magic: the Gathering I can master this. You’re all just biomass waiting to be consumed. 🙂
I came to learn how to play w40k then got immediately put off by sheer amount of shit to know.......... I will never be able to play the table top.. :(
Great work! You are a real asset to the community with your approach. I appreciate the way you generally tend to go about abstracting complexities.
Do you gauge cover on a model by model basis or unit by unit? If models does that mean some models in a unit get a cover save and some don’t? Or if half the unit isn’t visible does the whole unit get a cover save
So if i use Rapid Ingress on a unit with Deepstrike does it have the restrictions of 6" from the edge like the rest or can i place it anywhere like a normal Deepstrike?
Thanks.... Now I'm going to have Nappy Roots stuck in my head for the next month.
They don't explain who goes first when both units have it.
So if one unit charges and has fight 1st and the other unit has it. Who goes 1st?
Super comprehensive and clear explanation of the rules. I'll be getting my gaming group to watch it as we plan to get into 40K with the advent of 10th edition. Thanks for all your hard work on the video.
Glad it could help
Awesome! thank you for the static version
Anytimes
I don't understand objective control. Doesn't it mean that objective control is oval and not round?
I thought GW was going to fit the rules into a single page or am I mistaken? Even if this much more skimmed compared to previous editions, it is still a lot to remember for someone completely new.
I watched a video on the rules from the Rogue Trader days, and sure, the rules now are nothing compared to how complicated playing Warhammer used to be. I remember getting into 40k as a kid back in 5th edition with the Battle for Black Reach starter set and it took me a couple of weeks to read "just" the rules. My lil brother had no chance of getting what was going and I still had to constantly check the rulesbook when it came to the assault phase.
It feels like GW compulsively wants to just add rules to everything. I don't think we really need rules for specific types of terrain, for example. Less is often more, especially when trying to get people into the hobby.
The "one page" thing was for army rules.
@@1114cole Ah I see.
you and your buddies are totally free (and encouraged) to ignore a lot of this stuff if it's too crunchy. Most of these rules are written with at least an eye towards competitive play and where you find competition, you'll find rules pedants and annoying "well, actually..." guys and so GW needs to get *very* specific about things. And it gets very, very silly at times. So unless you travel a lot and need to play a set of rules you know will be standard at every game shop you go to, or youre trying to play tournaments... just fudge a lot of this stuff.
So I have a question that I can not find. Is the painted army rule still in 10th edition?
Is there no longer a vertical engagement distance? Hiding from monsters on first floors again?
Hello Rob I just wanted to say thanks for this video. I was one the fence about playing 10 edition. You teaching help me see that 10 edition is a least worth trying.
Would you be able to do a video like this for age of sigmar aswell please for us noobs 😅
Ok, time to hit replay, cause I got like 12% of that.
Me: Rob makes such informative videos, and the production quality is excellent.
Rob: "irregardless"
Me:.....unsubbed
Hahaha my girlfriend said "you know what's gonna annoy someone" I'll screenshot this thanks xx
100% awesome... this video I can watch and share. Thank you! Subscribing. 👍👍
Happy to help
Much better. Obviously, I wasn't the only one finding it hard on the eyes.
Why is there this droning squeak in the background?
Played my first game a few days ago. Boy were we playing the game very wrong
I'm confused about the engagement range rule. The rule says you cannot set up or end models on normal, adv, fall back moves. But how do models end up in engagement range anyways? If I have a unit that's 10" away from an enemy unit, I move up 6" (4" awake from enemy) then I'm in engagement range? Or am I not allowed to do that since it's ending a normal move within engagement range. I am assuming a model/unit makes a charge and that's how the unit gets into engagement range.
Yes. You must declare and perform a successful charge move
Rewatching this to get hype for the AoS4 version ❤
Hey, thank you so much for removing the static! I can now watch it without risking a seizure. It means a lot to me that you cared enough to do this ♡
Love this, thank you. Super helpful as someone new to the community. liked + subscribed
Happy to help!!
Best turtorial for this game! Now I easily know how to play this game I will share this with my friends. Fantastic turtorial!
Awesome, thank you!
In the fight phase at 38:54 , you said "If all of one player's units have fought then the other player can resolve all of their combats". Isn't it supposed to be alternating between players?
Sequencing doesn't apply at all in the fight phase. "In both steps of the Fight Phase, players alternate selecting eligible units from their army, one at a time, starting with the player whose turn is not taking place, and fighting with with them." Exact text from page 32 of the new rules
I bought smaller dice so it’s easier to roll 20 at a time 😢…
Oh my god. So much better. Thank you!
Glad we could sort it for you
Okay but really- small dice are for massed dakka
Lmao “and small dice are for creeps.” Buahahahaha
My attention dropped after 15 minutes.
As much as I like 40k: needing 1 hour to explain the game to someone is waaay too complicated. I played a bit of 7th edition and I think I tried a small game at 8th edition once with about 5 units (HQ, 2 troops, 1 fast, 1 heavy) and not only had I to learn everything and keep track of my stuff, I also had to re-explain to my casual opponent every 5 minutes and keep track of his stuff too (wounds, movement, abilities). And as a game takes a couple of hours, I was ready for some holidays afterwards.
And then 40k came up with all those command points, more special abilities, different movement ranges which made me completely lost.
And to make things worse, the rules change every couple of months with new codexes and campaign books, errata and every two years or so with a new edition (before you get your army completely assembled and painted, of course).
I can just barely play 7th edition and Horus Heresy 1.0 in 2023 and think those rules are way too complicated already; like movement through terrain - how far? Moving with jump infantry, all types of close combat weapons with initiative, the damage tables (yeah, one could basically calculate them on the fly but damn...), and I almost never used psyker units because that requires more rules and a lot of searching through the rule book. All these special rules make up a couple of pages in BattleScribe; looking that stuff up on that like 2 pages of text or even looking it up in the core rules and reading is so tedious. I recently found One Page Rules - it seems to keep the basic stuff I know and drops the complicated rest completely. Great alternative.
Then they came up with KillTeam and while it shares some mechanics with 40k you have to keep track of your like 5-10 specialist units where everyone has unique rules... ok, I'm out!
If any - ANY - kind of game requires more than 10 minutes of explanation, constant status tracking, it is not fun - because those are menial tasks that have to be eliminated completely from the game because that is not what the game is about! All games that are a couple of hundreds or thousands of years old have simple rules but complex strategies. Those are masterpieces. 40k isn't one like that.
An hour to learn how to play a table top game is too much for you?. Let me guess, you were born after the year 2000?
@@1337foxs no, I am over 40 and don't have time for this shit: I want to play casually. Board games like Catan and all that stuff that have like 20 pages of rules are a mood killer.
You don't have much time, want to play a game with friends and in that evening where you have maybe 3 hours to spend with them, you take 1 hour to explain some effing game, no matter how nice it is? Nope, nope nope. And even if you did explain one hour how it works, do you think people remember all that? How to move with different units, how to move through terrain, how cover works, what the units can do and all that crap?
Ah, and then always comes the moment when you half-recall how a rule works and then you try to find them for 10 minutes in the badly badly badly written rulebook. Weapons in the middle, army stuff at the back universal rules somewhere else in the middle, you are skimming through the book like an idiot that is 50-80% useless fluff text (talking about 7th edition here, obviously) and then you find the rule, like tank shock and start guessing how it is supposed to work because it is ambiguously written, you lookup a video of 15 minutes where they explain it, but the comments state that this is wrong, now lookup FAQ and supplements if that has been rewritten - yeah, come on... FUXXX Warhammer.
38:05 SEQUENCING DOES NOT PLAY A ROLE HERE!!!
Small dice are for creeps? I've seen more people "drop" large dice instead of roll them, and every time I want to say, "Hey, maybe you could put a little more spin on your dice." But of course, that would be rude, so most of the time I just take it. Never have that problem with small dice, they always get good rolls.
Just a joke bud
@@TheHonestWargamer Oh, I know, but I want to start a crusade against "dice droppers". 🙂 Or at least figure out a polite way to bring it up...
You deserve a lot more subs and views!!
That unit cohesion rule is dog s***. Point blank people will abuse this system to make multi Model units worthless. That rule alone will almost make it only viable to use single model units. unless you require a certain amount of spacing between obstacles and barriers, But then that would just make the rule pointless.
Just found out for Orks you can have a max unit of 6 boys because the rest of the unit is beyond 2 inches and will be destroyed. Which makes the unit literally incapable of destroying or even damaging certain Characters due to shrugs and wounds.
What happens when you try to move your men behind cover. Are you then forced to either just sacrifice units that are out of cohesion? Or are we forced to just leave our models there to be shot at and have zero cover. Or are you changing how cover works to make A-line of site rules pointless?
So much information. Great video tho
I know you've already put a lot of work into this video, but you could finish off the time stamps in the video description? :D
being done today
Love this video bud.
Thanks you babe
Small Dice are for Creeps!🤣
The static wasn't an issue for me watching the original upload, but seeing this when coming back to rewatch it today, I can say that I do appreciate this re-upload. I think I'm probably going to come back to this one if I need a reference for something lol
Thank you for making this, the content of the previous video were amazing but the static was really grating on the eyes. This one is flawless
Rob, ya babe. Thank you, this video is perfect!!!!
Happy to help
The rules are surprisingly simple the way the official Warhammer channel explained it in their 8 min video.
The only thing I'm wondering about are options to disengage from melee. It seems once you get bogged down after the charge phase it's pretty much a slugging match from there on.
It looks like there are only penalties for trying to reposition a weaker unit from getting torn apart.
Bless Our Constitution In The Kindest Of Ways, Chat. This is great writitn', thanks for the sense of humor and bangon infos!
Even 40K based content videos are getting errata releases so quickly these days! 😂
Great work.
havent played since second edition...back when terminators rode motorcycles and all the figs were literal weapons... this video was a good catchup, but its going to take some playthroughs to fully get up to speed
ngl its a lot to take in
Phenomenal Video, been trying to learn how to play for months and this really helped clear up some issues I had.