If what he means is the safety valve is populist political candidates in the pockets of your crony capitalists, while people sleep and die in your dusty shit and piss covered streets, then he's absolutely right. Mob rule continues to live in your so-called democracy. And it ain't pretty.
@Rahul Hari china is developed country but with no human rights and freedom of speech so what's the point of a developed country if the citizens were not having basic rights?????? That's a dictatorship evil..... Atleast we indians r in a developing stage and with a lot of basic rights & freedom of speech.
@@rahulhari3261 yes my dear bro, we have a roof over our head & food to eat is bcas the roof is our indian army border which is lead by modi govt. Not like ur antinational congress which sells ur roof & country to traitors. Wakeup bro, modi govt is developing india & correcting the blunders which was done by congress in the past 60 years.
@@rahulhari3261 for the last 60 years congress looted india & even sold parts of India to china & pak. Made our economy in to huge debt. Just check the indias growth & development before 2014 & after 2014 . If u r not aware then get ur economics first to light up ur brains. & u expect modi govt to correct 100% of the last 60 years blunder in just 6 years is laughable. But india is much better than before its a growing nation so it takes some more time to correct 100%.i know it's a sad thing but if u know our indian economics then u wont laugh. Grow up dude tc.
Couldn't agree more .. except that with all his well curated faculties at display here, he plays second fiddle to the NATIONAL PAGLA KUTTA (Mad Dog) of India .. his boss, Rahul Gandhi! That also speaks a lot about him!
Give Shashi Tharoor two or more people against him in a debate, he will still come out smarter than the rest because he has the knowledge and does his homework.
Now it is 2021. Looking at these two great nations, India and China, I have to say that India has a system that as long as you, the Indian citizens, are fine with its chaos and slowness and the vote ballots as well, it is perfectly fine for them. While China is a nation that has a clear goal of what it wants to become and put every efforts to become one. China doesn't allow time to slip during the process. The mentality difference might be the biggest between these two nations. I would say, we don't need to compare them. Every nation shall choose what works best for themselves.
@Change2021RS change what i think is, a Human doesnt need Big buildings, 5 Digit salaries, Finest Clothings, Cars, blah blah blah. It needs Liberty, Freedom, Social equality and Feeling of Integrity, Being United. Love the Nature, restore it and many it better then what we received. Plz Live Simply, So I can Simply Live !!
Today is Jun 2021, which country has dominated technology, which country has stellar economic results after COVID, which country has Belt & Road initiatives, which country is now the biggest consumer market etc... it seems Martin is right
Which country is democracy??? Which country speaks English?? Which country is giving away its best talent to superior Anglo Saxon countries??? Which country has the contitution based on colonial era???? Which country has more freedom and hunger????? Indians are winning in their own definition of victory. They want to serve white masters and they are successfuly doing it.
@@therightgame3 Yup, USA and Europe need to take FULL responsibility on the spread of COVID as they have never listened to WHO and doctors on the advises to stop the spread of COVID to the world!
@fishface494 you might want to get your facts right about the British colonization. The British did not give us EVERY THING. They took more from us than what they gave us. India was one of the richest economies in the world, accounting for more than 27% of global GDP in 1700. The British arrived in 1757. They managed to reduce it to less than 2% of global GDP and threw us into poverty when they left in 1947. And yes, the railways were introduced by the British into India, but at our cost. The railways were used by the British to transport textiles and spices from all around India to the ports, so that they could be transported back to Britain. Indians were forced to pay huge taxes to the British, so that's what paid for the developments, not the Brits themselves. And obviously, Indian labour was used. So most of the things were built at our cost while they reaped the benefits. The British totally destroyed India. If you are a British, you'd never know this, because your dark colonial history has been deliberately kept hidden from you guys. I'm sure your history textbooks don't have it, but it's all out there if you'd wish to enlighten yourself.
Watching this in Aug 2020, and around @31:00 hearing Shashi say that China does not have a lot of technological development in areas like AI just made me go "Wait what year are they in" :P
Dr Tharoor hit the nail right on the head when he pointed out that China's 'soft power' is a joke. I also agree with him that nobody's going to rule the world anymore the way the US did. Not only is this sort of thing going out of fashion, the material resources required are simply no longer there. And I also agree with him that it's dumb to 'develop' your country just to 'keep up' with another. One's first priority should not be that, but the *well-being* of one's countrymen. Here's a man who talks sense. (Love his joke that the UK once ruled the waves but now waives the rules.) :D
the Indian "influence" is mainly due to 1. English fluency of those elite Indian but not the mass of the Indian in the culture (where 70-80% are not English fluency at all) and the overemphasizd on English has hindered the development of India as a country (only benefiting Indian as individual); 2. India (and its culture) is seen as a unimportance actor to enjoy but China, as more competitive on par with the west, the west try all its might to suppress the culture. Once China is more economically advanced, the culture will be envy by the world (like Japan in the 80's and Korea in the 2000)
China and India are both great & peaceful countries, so are their people... India is absolutely a respective state with great impact, profound history, civilisation and promising future. This discussion are meaningless, since as long as the people in either country could live happily and healthily, who cares about 'one is greater than the other'... Let's work together and change the the way people live on this planet... (I am a Chinese)
There is always tension between India and China, political and military related matters. So dont put your peasant point of view into this, this is what truly is called meaningless. Dont think about working together on a happy pink sweety dreamy planet because it will never happen. Everyone is selfish (thats your nature, dont deny it), to me you Chinese is the most selfish, arrogant ppl on earth... lol
Technically, you need to do a more reliable and scientific research on wether the Chines are selfish, if you want to support your 'conclusion', which needs samples that could represent 1.3b people. THEN, we could discuss...
Q.M. YE I am not getting any money out of this so why do I have to teach ppl to recognize something which is so obvious like that? (hint: history) Anyway, suite yourself for beliving in the fake equality of the society you are living in. I actually like how Chinese police made out those "free to speech spots" then arrest ppl who asking for the permit to talk in the spot. You guys are awesome. lol
I don't care whether you get paid for this or not. I also don't care about what kind of 'Chinese History' you were picked up and believe. What I care about is how to ensure every Chinese live good lives and by the meantime share the development with the world. You are free to say anything, be my guest, and I will continuing work hard for this country and well-being of the globe. By the way, I assume that you had received some education, if true.. please, do separate Chinese People and The Administration while you discuss with someone about politics, otherwise, people will think you are self-confused. Secondly, If you think your 'blame' would do help, please continue... the above are what I could say to you with my sincere advice. :)
One of the greatest Indian Prime Minister we 'may' never have in future. Sigh, i love this man but i hate the buddy group/gang he belongs to (if u know what i mean..like in college we use to say haha). I can only hope he doesnt remind us of karna by the time he leaves us.
Better not to say of working together as their view of world domination on the foundation of Middle Kingdom of vassel govenence. This is the answer to question of cooperation between two countries.
@@pranjal9861 it's not as different as you think actually. South India has alot of communists and it has some of the most educated and long-lived people in india. And China is waning in its communist policy, more billionaires and internal conflicts within its empire.
Just loved the way both the panelists put forth their views. The intellect of both these intellectuals was on display over here. Even though they contradicted each other on various issues, they also showed respect towards each other, which is a very important aspect of a debate. I acknowledge Martin Soong for moderating the debate very effectively. Just wish debates on television too are carried out in the same manner!!
Ok. This talk was 5 years ago. Fair enuf. Sashi was questioning China's ability to introduce new tech such as AI, robotics, etc. Look at what they have today.
20:32 where did japan take over the world? The 1970-80's propaganda against Japanese were same as against China today. The US plaza accord, one of the most humiliating treaties led to this stagnant economic dome of Japanese economy which they are still suffering from
@@adityaprasai India needs robust, commanding, and slightly imposing leaders that respect democratic values. I am a big fan of Dr. Tharoor but I don't think he's fit to be a PM of a country whose cultural values are being threatened continuously since independence (before independence as well) in the form of conversions, communist political activism, religion- based terrorism, etc as he's too liberal in his views and would give a free pass and neglect these small- small nuances (which in turn become an active volcano ready to erupt at any time). He has not shown the quality of being a leader who can take hard decisions when required. In this era, we need leaders who can take hard decisions without any fear of international pressure or condemnation because to them the country, the culture, and its people are more important than his/her liberal ideas. That's just my humble opinion. And yeah, he's kind of accused of killing his own wife. About his past, well I don't wanna point anything out but over the years I have observed a lot of his speeches and tweets with regards to the situations in our country, etc., and ...... No. I just don't feel he's the leader that India should have. He'd make a good foreign minister maybe, but not a PM, I think.
Yes, in 2021 real social “development” of chyna was exposed - yet another disease coming out of them, leaked videos of sick people grabbed by their hair and dragged into ambulances (who knows where were they taken), citizens who say one bad thing about their govt vanish and their organ harvested. Until now they had their social system hidden. But with their blunder of releasing another disease, they were put under the lens. Behind that economic development, people saw real state of their citizens.
I am imagining Sashi Tharoor as my PM.....He is charm & global personality....When he represents India in the global arena as my PM.... oh great feeling!!!!!!!
Congress will be not in power for next 15-17 year's as it is Shrinking each day passing.he has to come in bjp to even become a cabinet minister and I see bjp without any strong opposition running centre for another 15-17 year's.PM Modi is only one option right now.and right now we require strong headed and grass rooted leader Like modi who is great in sweeping all the waste in the country and knitting a great diplomatic ties with all countries in the world Rather than Shashi tharoor who somehow carries the same old Congress mentality to keep common man poor and talk great on platforms. It is a great crime for congress people to talk even on poverty as the country had given them power for almost 70 years.a word "poverty" from these Congressi men is like a sin to talk as the country wonders how come they even after 7 decades in power are talking about eradicating poverty till date.the new generation just hates them ranting every now and then regarding poverty and they should understand that it was because of this the country has side lined them from power and I am sure they will be not in power for ever as this party will break and perish the more time they will remain out of power. also they have hitting stone on their foot by being communal by doing appeasement of a particular religion.they have failed badly on economical and social front and mind you they are dead for ever.mark my word you will not hear Congress by 2030 even in states and all small parties coming together with common agenda in power is bleak proposition there by giving party like bjp to rule for a long time and even more so with leader like modi
Such calm debates happen only if the speakers are really educated and expert in those fields ...ministers in sabha , literally fight ...wow shashi sir ..salute
AnAs ImAm ahmad Because, he speaks English better than his masters!? The woe feeling comes the DNA that got affected by the oppressors for so long! We can only think like a slave still!
@@umasarat2983 whatever you want to say is your thought, but inspite of everything, still we are replying to each other in English only, everyone has to accept the fact whatever is prevailing
@@umasarat2983 Look at you speaking your master language as you put it that way with your victim mentality. India already achieved Independence 7 decades ago, so if we are still underdeveloped now, its our fault now, not the British or any other. Look at Germany,totally gutted in first and second world war but quickly became developed in spite of that.
Everyone seems to be forgetting about the impact this "growth" can have on the environment and vice versa, how the climate change and other environmental problems are going to put a break on this kind of "growth". These things are becoming increasingly important now and could really put a limit on "growth".
@@akakakakakak3084 lol bruh, classic Chinese way of looking at things. At least Dr. Tharoor is honest about the shortcomings of India while you can't even see the problems with Chinese system of corrupt propaganda driven communism. It's a regular thing to do that they blame the foreigners and foreign powers. These guys need to grow up. P.s. I'm not calling you out but the CCP.
@@kunalincredible india's one of the curse is the political system.. i don't give a damn to the democracy. It's like a stupid system easily to manipulating educated and uneducated fools#democracysucks.. indian political system and bureaucracy is worst compared to china.. comparatively china has a low corruption rate... first we should change psychologically, india is so diversified compared to china. stand as an indian rather than f*cking shittest religious castiest person... we've to demolish the casteism in india then you've to speak about dictatorship, democracy etc...brute facts hard to digest..
30:18 judging it in 2021, the only thing Mr Shashi has got right is his English. His basic facts are wrong by a wide margin, he was saying that export contributed 65% of chinese economy but in reality it was less than 25%. He must have been reading FB posts of Trump fanboys and spilling it here at an international forum
30:18 judging it in 2021, the only thing Mr Shashi has got right is his English. His basic facts are wrong by a wide margin, he was saying that export contributed 65% of chinese economy but in reality it was less than 25%. He must have been reading FB posts of Trump fanboys and spilling it here at an international forum.
Exports to India are valued at $65 billion dollars. That's what he meant when he said India has far diverse domestic market more than any other nation in the world.
China did really hard work in last 30 years.the becoming manufacturing giant wouldn't be possible by their public contribution... Chinese set the benchmark
As an Indian living in Shanghai.. the white guy was perfect in his understanding and assessment of china.. while Sashis views was more generic biased views of the western media.. China is an absolute phenomenon and the world can learn from its efficiency.
Correct. Our intellectuals have forgot the traditions of Purva Paksha (understanding and becoming familiar with opponents and their point of view before criticizing it)
India and China has always been the two biggest economies in the world in past 1800 years, hope India will catch up and resume its position. Best wishes for both great countries. I am Chinese.
@@reality_break your question is very strange? TH-cam being banned in China, but accessing TH-cam is not. Your understanding of China is so limited as to ask such 😛 question. What is more , there are Chinese on all 7 continents in this world , including Antarctica, Chinese in and out of China can access TH-cam and leave comments on it, it seems that your understanding of the world is also limited.
@@wyz9815 man you are stupid, the guy wrote that he is an indian living in shanghai and last time i checked shanghai was in china nd governed by chinese govt which has banned youtube which means you cannot access youtube via app or web which means you cannot comment on this platform from within the boundaries or borders of china which means the guy is lying and doesnt have any idea about china like you. Google karke dekhle bhai, 5 second lagte hai
I have not seen an Indian man full of intellect, eloquent, intelligent and ideology as Mr Shashi from India in my entire life,The man is very direct and always full of ideas and wisdom,I admire him so much, God bless you Mr Shashi.
Gaurav Ghosh. There is no power on Earth that can take on America. Not China, Not Russia, Not India in a hundred years. Under Britain, India was #2 economic power in 1945. In 1947, India was #15. Today India is 84 lagging behind African countries. The US is number 1 exporter of oil and gas. To compete with US, Saudi & Russia were force to sell oil @$25 a barrel. The US has the world biggest Gold reserve locked in Fort Knox 900 metric tons. And Gold is still found all over America. How many oil, gas fields, Gold mines do China has? One of the biggest mistakes made by Indians was to kick out the British. What has India gained by kicking Brits out?
@@francisgodinho9077 India's economy before mughals came-32%, India's economy when British came(mughals left)-23%, India's economy when British left-4%... I dont need to explain you why the economy fell when these people ruled India.. The brutality that mughals and British did in India cannot be described here in a single comment..rather i suggest you to go and read some decent history books so you'll get some idea about it. I am not saying that India's economy would've been 32% now if they didn't rule but im saying that we would've been in a far more better position compared to now. The earth is 4.5 billion years old and in that according to Gregorian calendar we are in 2020 so considering this 2k years there have been many rulers throughout the world who have dominated the others by power or economically as well. There have been many European rulers like Julius Caesar or Alexander, or in Asia like Genghis khan or Akbar or The Mauryan empire which ruled whole India during its peak golden age and made India the most richest and prosperous nation in the world(when America was not even a word). But none of the empires stayed. In just 2k years many empires thought to be everlasting saw their fall. Not one empire continued to dominate forever. Those people living at that time also thought like you...that they cant be defeated.. but nothing is constant. People die and born again...sameway nations die and are reborn..the only thing constant is change.. Everything happens for a reason...we cannot change it...but we can learn from it..
@OK, 😂 you are very naive. People don't care about political systems if their lives are improving. If the CCP keeps Chinese people happy with growth, the will be no uprising. Even democracies have uprisings when people don't people feel the government is failing them.
@OK, India ranked at the bottom of starvation list, lower than Angola, Ethiopia etc .... And also ranked 142 in world press freedom, journalists were killed reporting against BJP, what are you smoking stupid. 🥱🥱🥱
Dr. Tharoor, I have listened to your China assessment in 2020 and 2021, and for some reason you have taken a more hawkish stand. Aside from your anger over the border dispute, I have just some comments about your "democratic pressure cooker has a safety valve" and "as long as the Indian people are fed and sheltered and happy." in this video. 1. Haiti is the oldest democracy in western hemisphere. Not only was her president assassinated last year, her 2020 GDP per Cap PPP was $3,094, ranked 171 of 198 regions. 2. Kazakhstan is a democracy. The people has just violently forced the entire government to be fired. 3. U.S.' capital hill, their legislation building, got raided by mobs, and a threat of civil war talk has ensued until this day. 4. Civil unrest rose globally by 10%, with Belarus recording the largest deterioration. There were 14,871 violent demonstrations, protests and riots recorded globally in 2020. 5. India's farmer protest lasted over a year. 6. India's 2020 GDP per Cap PPP was $6,501, ranked 136/198, lower than Sri Lanka, Iraq, Vietnam and Indonesia. By your argument that as long as the Indian public in general are fed and sheltered, they should feel very good about the way they are governed. And the soft power of Yoga and Bollywood would give Indians a high self-esteem in front of other countries. I guess same can be said about the Iraqis or the Sri Lankans. 7. China's 2020 GDP per Cap PPP was $17,204, ranked 82/198, with more population than India but almost 3X the avg income, and you are telling us that as long as Indian people are fed and sheltered they should be happy? Are you cutting the Indian democracy too much slack? 8. China still has a major corruption issue. That will be her downfall. In 2021, more than 7900 officials found guilty of corruption, with 16B USD involved, so I am not just singing the Chinese praises. But when we look into the same category for India, she ranked 86/180 countries in Transparency International's CPI 2020 report. Democracy didn't prevail there either. 9. You touched on the Xinjiang Uyghur issue, let's review it from a financial perspective. Xinjiang's GDP per Cap PPP in 2020 was $8,236. Uyghur people also reside in the neighbouring countries of Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. In 2020, Uzbekistan's GDP per Cap PPP was $7,731, Kazakhstan $26,744, and Kyrgyzstan $4,962. Aside from the mineral rich Kazakhstan, Xinjiang residents on average are better off than their neighbours in similar geography, and better off than the Indians. By your logic, if the Indians are happy with what they have from the government, the Uyghurs should be happier.
No better Indian politician is available today than Mr. Shashi Tharoor who can represent India best in the world platform. You are just a brilliant orator and thinker! ST - Why don't you open your mouth once about Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose mystery?
We have so much similarities in our history and our vision. Both the people were oppressed in the past by colonial rule, both gained independence. Both we're trying hard to give better life to the huge population of its country. Both of them are the fastest growing economy and potential super power nation in the future
@@gustofzephyr947 Buddhism was only in Tibet (now China), started by an Indian dude who couldn't sell the concept at home. Buddhists are barely even a minority in India. It's a hoot watching all these non-chinese non-indian dipshits talking out their asses. Reeks of American (READ WHITE AMERICAN) privilege and astounding ignorance.
Sashi is the the kind of leaders India needs. Brilliant mind and excellent speaker. I hope he becomes PM soon. He just gets it. No Chinese in the audience will ask a question, and thus identify themself, for risk of heading to the front of the line for giving up their organs.
India needs a Dr Tharoor but he can only win an an election from an educated constituency like Thiruvananthapuram. Just imagine him contesting in Bhopal against Sadhvi Pragya.... he will lose his deposit!
@@eugeneb2914 This is a collective reply to all those people who make such a big deal out of foreign accents...(including Indians). Homo sapiens already have a mountain of problems to deal with. As if it was not enough, all we are doing is adding more to the bucket..Accent is nothing to be ashamed of... It is something that was gifted to us by our respective mother tongues.. I believe it is okay to find other accents funny and weird, but using it as a tool to humiliate and ridicule others is somewhat immature.. I think that even the comment abt chinese accent is equally wrong and Indians would have reacted even more strongly to the comment if it had been addressed to them. But people need to be sensible.The comment section would be less toxic that way... And as a reply to the STRONGER part of ur comment, well we all love our motherland. True sense of patriotism lies in feeling proud to be a part of your nation and voicing out your concerns when no other will dare to. Boasting and looking down upon other countries is not called service to the nation. This is something that everyone needs to understand (Indians too)
Just got this debate on my TH-cam recommendation list right now and my first thought while watching this peaceful debate (which is very very rare in India nowadays) - Man that host is enjoying this excellent piece of discussion by sitting in the front seat!!!
The Indian guy is a lot more eloquent and articulate than the other one. And I don't know about Africa, but at least as far as Latin America is concerned China is not a model, specifically for politics.
Indian guy is an eloquent charlatan -- the British author has actually done his homework and couldn't believe the stupidity coming from that idiot's mouth.
K Jones Brown people? I'm an Indian and even my penis (darker than the rest of my body) isn't brown in color. People in my family range from the palest White (very common) with green eyes and brown hair (blonde hair at birth) and beautiful Caucasian bone structure to a beautiful dark olive skin color with almond eyes and black hair. But brown is nowhere to be found. You do realize that not all Indians are brown, right? The Upper Caste NW Indians are more commonly White or light olive skinned and are Caucasian Indo Aryans. Look up Pria Kataria Puri or Rohit Bal or Neil Nitin Mukesh (all individual people) on TH-cam for examples of what I'm talking about. You sound like an ignorant and idiotic buffoon who is also deluded and bigoted for all the wrong reasons.
@@TheBollywoodCritic TMI rivershitter, I don't want to know or care about your tiny condom using penii. The fact that you pretend that Indians aren't brown points to your slave mentality. I've been around Indians of high and low caste and the fact that you rank each other by caste (which you have no control over) and skin color (which again is a slave mentality and which you have no control) says alot about who the "idiotic buffoon" is here. The fact is you're a mental slave and using skin color and caste and examples of stupid bollywood movie celebrities as a crutch is a fairly obvious symptom of the illness of your country and culture.
well said dear Shashi, we are not in competition with China or any other big power, but to live in this world like everyone. But there is always a statement given by others to ignite problem between both. There was a time, china was one of India,s best friend.
People are forgetting that Written Tamil is older than any Chinese text. Sanskrit; however, is older than both in spoken form, then passed down orally for generations
Pannini was a linguist in vedic India (and more were like him) who theorised the principles of written and spoken communication. He is considered to be the first grammarian of the world. His essays were translated into Chinese in 4 B.C.
In India have much Ingredients to made a testy food but lack of right cook could not able to do that. I mean to say that India has so many opportunities but lack of management India could not able to develop.... Sir Sashi tharror is a great eloquent and representer... 🙏
Never happens, when indira Gandhi family alive. We should get rid of them, coz they think it’s their way of getting in to power. Congress is not for common man. They think it’s for their family.
I AM SURE,. SHASHI THAROOR IF GIVEN A CHANCE, HE WOULD MAKE A GREAT PM OF INDIA. CONGRESS IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONGRESS PARTY, THE GANDHI DYNASTY HAVE TO GIVE OVER THE BATON TO DR. SHASHI THAROOR, WHO WILL BE VERY POPULAR IN INDIA N ALL. OVER THE WORLD. HE IS PRESENT ABLE N VERY HIGHLY EDUCATED. BJP MODI N SHAH WHO R UNEDUCATED PAIR WILL BE CRUSHED. NO MORE BJP. WHAT A RELIEF TO KNOW, THAT WE CAN SPEAK OUR MIND N NOT UNDER DICTATORSHIP OF BJP N THEIR HINDUTWA IDEA. GOOD LUCK TO. DR. SHASHI THAROOR. 👍🙏
When asking about innovation examples, one has no idea, and the other one knows only Baidu/Alibaba. And it is in 2016, did not anyone feel something is wrong here? The two speakers do not know about China at all. If people at their status, with their titles and honorous labels have no idea about China, did not realize they themselve have no idea about China but strangely jumped on the stage to "empower" people about China, that explains so many surprises in later years.
Man with value ... Shashi Tharoor. It doesn't mean which party you support whether it's BJP or CONGRESS.... This man needs appreciation from both the sides... Live long Mr tharoor ❤...
If Shashi takes Yoga and Bollywood as soft power, then Bruce Lee would have been China's soft power. The brash behaviour of Chinese tourist in other countries should change. Be mindful that there are also some mindless western tourist who do not respect the cultural nuance of the countries they visited. Shashi has not mentioned that Japan and USSR failed to achieved what they ought because of the unilateral pressure by the US. Can the same US containment be applied to China? Will it work? Will China succumb to the US malicious containment? I would prefer in the short term to have authoritarian in order for the society to progress instead of the perpetual repression conduct by the US against weaker nations. Shashi's view of China on technology about 5 years ago was no so correct... China nowadays are quite advance in the technological development. It will continue if not for the US sabotages. Regarding cooperation between China and India, it is India which does not wish to cooperate.
It gives me so much of an intellectual stimulation listening to Mr. Tharoor. I am proud to have such wonderful politicians in India but unfortunately he is not at the helm of affairs due to narrow domestic political walls. It is high time that India picks up candidates like him for the top positions disregarding political boundaries. Mr. Shashi has to be picked up for the top job in India otherwise we will be making the grave mistake that will be irreparable.
According to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs - desire of democracy (self propel) comes the last of the human need, whereas material desires (food), safety & order, social belongings and Ego (prestige) comes before. That makes China a normal developing country, whereas India should be considered as odd one as it puts ego first then democracy then food security and at last safety & security.
5 years down the road , we have witnessed China coming on top of positive predictions and all Dr Shashi concerns of negativity have not happened. Today China GDP is 6 times larger than India. China settled 16 out of 17 border disputes with its neighbours. The lone unsettled case is with India which still has problem in Kashmir Sikkim, Bhutan Nepali n others. If China n India work together, they would command a listening ear from the world. Of course US will be the first not to allow this alliance to happen. The ball is actually in India’s court.
The SCS island dispute is a recent development of about 70 years ago. The islands grab by Vietnam Philippines and Malaysia took place when China and Taiwan were not strong enough to defend them or perhaps elected not to do so. It is onerous for them to prove their ownership claims instead of China
@@ghostwarrior-ni1xb there is little time to waste , besides money spent on weaponry is not generally productive. Wisdom may require the adoption of the concept “agree to disagree and set aside differences for greater development good to come” Peace negotiation is always time consuming to negotiate because of its very nature that neither party will compromise on sovereignty. Both sides have to be seen to come up on top for domestic politics. For practical reason don’t dwell on issues that are difficult and very time consuming to resolve . There is a time n place for everything!
@@sktan3743 instead writing an gibberish paragraphs give an simple straight answer Money spent on weaponry not being productive seriously what do you think I am an idiot who can't see through deceptions and lies (weapons give deterrence from hostiles factions ) setting aside differences its not hard what prevent it from happening is starting conflicts with neighbors peace negotiations held but our neighboring country breaks it for practical reasons we need to keep hostile nations at bay
Martin speaks with grounded truth. He doesn't need to be glib. The Indian is smooth talker but without strength behind his words. The world has been the difference. China is growing stronger than USA, or India or Vietnam before and after the pandemic. All the pandering does not help India.
@@rajeshktrivedi Martin Jacques is not defending China. He is explaining his own point of view. For Chinese POV, search for Prof. Zhang Weiwei Or Commissar Jin on weibo channel.
Hmm very interesting debate I was a expecting to see bit longer conversation specially when they touch on those sensitive topics....any way this is what debate should be like not interrupting each other speech......
@@suhongpan5459 well, his point was political situation not economical. China is still a dictatorship and US is nervous about it because recently they've trapped many african and asian countries in their debt trap and now acting like imperialists. Along with that china is facing a population crisis, yes they've developed infrastructure and all but their political system is still dictatorial. Look I don't want china to fail but what they're doing we've seen before and that doesn't lead to a good place.
@@chinmaysharma9424 What is the US really worried about has nothing to do with China's political system, but the replacement of itself as the No. 1 in the world. Don't worry! China won't fail in the forseeable future. As the spokeswoman of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Miss Hua, put it, China has no intention to surpass the US, but itself. I'm certain China can only be better. Certainly, I also deliver my best wishes to India, our great neigbour.
@@chinmaysharma9424 OK, let me from another point, to explain.2019, close two hundreds million Chinese went abroad, over 99.99% go back, some of them find better job in West, they still holding Chinese passport. Most of Chinese top leaders come from ordinary family, every one of them has to work from lowest to top, it needs two more decades to complete the process, this is only one in today's world. Go to Chinese WeiBo, see what kind free speech the Chinese can have.,
Bharat from today on 15th August 2018 shall not going to become super power but the Power itself "A Super Energy which lead all the countries to peace,love,prosperity,moral ,truth and harmony a Vision come true of Lord Krishna "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakkam" means "World is one Family"
A healthy debate with a vision and caution. If India and China makes sure that their competition doesn't become conflict on Geo political and Geo Economic front, both countries have a long way to go towards inter dependable trade, ethnicity and cultures of more than 2000years old.
I tried to explain it to my professors that depending on cheap labor will not get the country far as AI is taking the wage jobs away. I felt so excited to see Dr. Shashi Tharoor saying the same thing as me :D
You and Shashi dont know how manufacturing works. And that poor guy had got his basic facts wrong because in 2016 China had giot the most 5G patents (tech whuich autonmous robots needs to communicate) and 2nd most patents in AI. And it will be more easier to replace workers with machines step by step within supply chains rathar than building a huge factory full of robots (which will be possible only after 2040)
@@arminius6506 It seems you have no idea how much time it takes to bring changes in labor force or an entire economy. Do you think the entire labor force will be ready for this change within a year or two? There is a reason why some developed countries have already started teaching kid in primary school how to code. It will take at least 10 years to prepare an entire generation for this upcoming changes in the job market. By the way we don't have to wait till 2040 for factory full of robots. we already have it now. Its not about having 0 need of human workers in factories. its about needing a very low number of humans in the factories and gradually the number getting lower every year.
India!! 'Pressure cooker has a safety valve' !! Brilliant Tharoor
If what he means is the safety valve is populist political candidates in the pockets of your crony capitalists, while people sleep and die in your dusty shit and piss covered streets, then he's absolutely right.
Mob rule continues to live in your so-called democracy. And it ain't pretty.
@@MisterHighKick That's half lie and half truth.
@@santanumohapatra1326 Nope 100% truth, as usual Indians are in denial.
I see the safety valve
1.Partition riots
2.Caste riots
3.Sikh riots
4.NE, Kashmir, Punjab
5.Assassination of Indira Gandhi, Rajiv Gandhi
waives the rules
This is called real debate no howling ,no interruption ,still put forth their contradictory ideas beautifully😊👌 much respect to all three of you🙏🙏
All thanks to sir Dr Shashi Tharoor
th-cam.com/channels/yYQ2pAeVAvL3jwbAbFB3zg.html
Very nice
Exactly
prerna gurung I absolutely agree with you,this is how every debate should be conducted.people like Arnab goswami should take a lesson from this.
its discussion , not a group discussion of college , they are talking like a friends.
Bravo Shashi! ‘Why be in a race with China which is already 5 times bigger than India. What’s important is that our people are well taken care of.’
@Rahul Hari china is developed country but with no human rights and freedom of speech so what's the point of a developed country if the citizens were not having basic rights?????? That's a dictatorship evil..... Atleast we indians r in a developing stage and with a lot of basic rights & freedom of speech.
@@RockstronAnimation all these flowery jargons sound good when you have a roof over your head and food to eat.
@@rahulhari3261 yes my dear bro, we have a roof over our head & food to eat is bcas the roof is our indian army border which is lead by modi govt. Not like ur antinational congress which sells ur roof & country to traitors. Wakeup bro, modi govt is developing india & correcting the blunders which was done by congress in the past 60 years.
@@RockstronAnimation yes Modi govt is undoing the blunders of Congress but to say that Indians have food and roof is laughable
@@rahulhari3261 for the last 60 years congress looted india & even sold parts of India to china & pak. Made our economy in to huge debt. Just check the indias growth & development before 2014 & after 2014 . If u r not aware then get ur economics first to light up ur brains. & u expect modi govt to correct 100% of the last 60 years blunder in just 6 years is laughable. But india is much better than before its a growing nation so it takes some more time to correct 100%.i know it's a sad thing but if u know our indian economics then u wont laugh. Grow up dude tc.
Shashi Tharoor's english is so fine that auto-generated subtitles really worked well
Absolutely
I turned them on to check and they worked well
😂😂 You made me check too
british also had very fine english .how wdoes it matter ? :}
u do know there are people who type these subtitles before posting the vid?
@@Itzhennessy * auto-generated *
When do you start watching YT bro XD
Good discussion. Shashi is smarter. Well balanced argument and fair with his views. Love this guy.
Indian impersonator account.
Couldn't agree more .. except that with all his well curated faculties at display here, he plays second fiddle to the NATIONAL PAGLA KUTTA (Mad Dog) of India .. his boss, Rahul Gandhi! That also speaks a lot about him!
But he is happy led by a totally uneducated and unthinking people in his party and he seems to be content with it to be !! Funny.
Of course he is. The West was pulled out of poverty by its depredations in the East.
Give Shashi Tharoor two or more people against him in a debate, he will still come out smarter than the rest because he has the knowledge and does his homework.
If Congress make him the president of the party definately he can be a great option for PM
Only if that italian woman step aside.
I think he can bring a wave bigger than NaMo
Correct vai... congress me he boht Achhe option Lekin unko chance nhi milta
Bohot hard 😂
@@yuvrajsharma1423 😆😂
Now it is 2021. Looking at these two great nations, India and China, I have to say that India has a system that as long as you, the Indian citizens, are fine with its chaos and slowness and the vote ballots as well, it is perfectly fine for them. While China is a nation that has a clear goal of what it wants to become and put every efforts to become one. China doesn't allow time to slip during the process. The mentality difference might be the biggest between these two nations. I would say, we don't need to compare them. Every nation shall choose what works best for themselves.
Very well said
@Change2021RS change what i think is, a Human doesnt need Big buildings, 5 Digit salaries, Finest Clothings, Cars, blah blah blah. It needs Liberty, Freedom, Social equality and Feeling of Integrity, Being United. Love the Nature, restore it and many it better then what we received. Plz Live Simply, So I can Simply Live !!
@Change2021RS change India have 100 times more ppl die from covid than China and u put it as dead ppl could enjoy individuality, interesting.
@Change2021RS change China throw uighurs in prisons for no reason ? in your dream? dont say those bullshit ok? lie is lie.
@@yogiegupta1373 India has more crime then any other country, there's no rules in India, corruption rules India.
Today is Jun 2021, which country has dominated technology, which country has stellar economic results after COVID, which country has Belt & Road initiatives, which country is now the biggest consumer market etc... it seems Martin is right
Which country is democracy??? Which country speaks English?? Which country is giving away its best talent to superior Anglo Saxon countries??? Which country has the contitution based on colonial era???? Which country has more freedom and hunger?????
Indians are winning in their own definition of victory.
They want to serve white masters and they are successfuly doing it.
@@arminius6506 Well put!
The same country which gifted COVID to the world
Indian democracy sucks
@@therightgame3 Yup, USA and Europe need to take FULL responsibility on the spread of COVID as they have never listened to WHO and doctors on the advises to stop the spread of COVID to the world!
watched the whole video jst to hear sashi..
tenzin rinchen Singapore has an Indian intellectual, Kishore Mahbubani. He is a strategic thinker too.
Same
Dr.agustus
@@NangongReng1973 And he is an Indian too
Me too
Britannia rules the waves VS Britannia waves the rules.. excellent, Dr Tharoor :D
INDIAN isn't India a Commonwealth nation?
@fishface494 you might want to get your facts right about the British colonization. The British did not give us EVERY THING. They took more from us than what they gave us. India was one of the richest economies in the world, accounting for more than 27% of global GDP in 1700. The British arrived in 1757. They managed to reduce it to less than 2% of global GDP and threw us into poverty when they left in 1947. And yes, the railways were introduced by the British into India, but at our cost. The railways were used by the British to transport textiles and spices from all around India to the ports, so that they could be transported back to Britain. Indians were forced to pay huge taxes to the British, so that's what paid for the developments, not the Brits themselves. And obviously, Indian labour was used. So most of the things were built at our cost while they reaped the benefits. The British totally destroyed India.
If you are a British, you'd never know this, because your dark colonial history has been deliberately kept hidden from you guys. I'm sure your history textbooks don't have it, but it's all out there if you'd wish to enlighten yourself.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Waives the rules, not waves the rules
Timestamp, anyone?
Watching this in Aug 2020, and around @31:00 hearing Shashi say that China does not have a lot of technological development in areas like AI just made me go "Wait what year are they in" :P
And now china is the best in AI..
@@lmyunxlee2005 Be cafeful what you wish for in AI...Samaritan.
They can't even make their own weapons. All r US nd Russias ripoff. .
there is nothing more than COPY nd PASTE at a large AMOUNT 🤣😂🤣
Innovation china is zero
Dr Tharoor hit the nail right on the head when he pointed out that China's 'soft power' is a joke.
I also agree with him that nobody's going to rule the world anymore the way the US did. Not only is this sort of thing going out of fashion, the material resources required are simply no longer there.
And I also agree with him that it's dumb to 'develop' your country just to 'keep up' with another. One's first priority should not be that, but the *well-being* of one's countrymen.
Here's a man who talks sense. (Love his joke that the UK once ruled the waves but now waives the rules.) :D
the Indian "influence" is mainly due to 1. English fluency of those elite Indian but not the mass of the Indian in the culture (where 70-80% are not English fluency at all) and the overemphasizd on English has hindered the development of India as a country (only benefiting Indian as individual); 2. India (and its culture) is seen as a unimportance actor to enjoy but China, as more competitive on par with the west, the west try all its might to suppress the culture. Once China is more economically advanced, the culture will be envy by the world (like Japan in the 80's and Korea in the 2000)
@@ernestfrank640 British India Elites under Queen Victoria of British Weapons Industrial Complex. The Jewel in the Crown and Indian Raj Upper Caste.
China and India are both great & peaceful countries, so are their people... India is absolutely a respective state with great impact, profound history, civilisation and promising future. This discussion are meaningless, since as long as the people in either country could live happily and healthily, who cares about 'one is greater than the other'... Let's work together and change the the way people live on this planet... (I am a Chinese)
Q.M. YE best reply... agree with you
There is always tension between India and China, political and military related matters. So dont put your peasant point of view into this, this is what truly is called meaningless. Dont think about working together on a happy pink sweety dreamy planet because it will never happen. Everyone is selfish (thats your nature, dont deny it), to me you Chinese is the most selfish, arrogant ppl on earth... lol
Technically, you need to do a more reliable and scientific research on wether the Chines are selfish, if you want to support your 'conclusion', which needs samples that could represent 1.3b people. THEN, we could discuss...
Q.M. YE I am not getting any money out of this so why do I have to teach ppl to recognize something which is so obvious like that? (hint: history) Anyway, suite yourself for beliving in the fake equality of the society you are living in. I actually like how Chinese police made out those "free to speech spots" then arrest ppl who asking for the permit to talk in the spot. You guys are awesome. lol
I don't care whether you get paid for this or not. I also don't care about what kind of 'Chinese History' you were picked up and believe. What I care about is how to ensure every Chinese live good lives and by the meantime share the development with the world. You are free to say anything, be my guest, and I will continuing work hard for this country and well-being of the globe. By the way, I assume that you had received some education, if true.. please, do separate Chinese People and The Administration while you discuss with someone about politics, otherwise, people will think you are self-confused. Secondly, If you think your 'blame' would do help, please continue... the above are what I could say to you with my sincere advice. :)
DR. Shashi tharoor Great Leader Of Our Nation.
George Cherian
English admirer's hero!! Still we have the slave in us!
Isn’t he Singaporean?
One of the greatest Indian Prime Minister we 'may' never have in future. Sigh, i love this man but i hate the buddy group/gang he belongs to (if u know what i mean..like in college we use to say haha). I can only hope he doesnt remind us of karna by the time he leaves us.
@@ameenallibhoy hahaha!! Joke of the day!
May these two oldest civilisations synthesis a synergy to become a shinning example to the rest of the world.
may the chinese stop supporting terrorist Pakistan
But, can't happen because of the distinct ideologies of India as Democracy and china as communism.
Better not to say of working together as their view of world domination on the foundation of Middle Kingdom of vassel govenence. This is the answer to question of cooperation between two countries.
Jan Li This didn't age that well.
@@pranjal9861 it's not as different as you think actually. South India has alot of communists and it has some of the most educated and long-lived people in india. And China is waning in its communist policy, more billionaires and internal conflicts within its empire.
Wowww!! Sashi what a brilliant man!! Cant get enough of listening to you. I am a big fan!!
Just loved the way both the panelists put forth their views. The intellect of both these intellectuals was on display over here. Even though they contradicted each other on various issues, they also showed respect towards each other, which is a very important aspect of a debate. I acknowledge Martin Soong for moderating the debate very effectively. Just wish debates on television too are carried out in the same manner!!
Jacques was too put tight I thought. Wonder whether he learned anything from this conversation. He was a better listener than Tharoor.
Tooo Naveen.... I watched your hindi video to prepare for my board exam 😂😂
The President Trump Effect on China ! Stop the Rise of China = *The Thucydides Syndrome*
In Bollywood Movies, *The Bad Gangsters all wear Leather Jackets Anti Hindu Holy Cow Cultures*
Martin Jacques wife is an Malaysian Indian lady who understands Cantonese. 💕💕💕
Trust Shashi Tharoor to tell it like it is without confining himself to a box.
A brilliant mind that articulates clear ideas.
Ok. This talk was 5 years ago. Fair enuf. Sashi was questioning China's ability to introduce new tech such as AI, robotics, etc. Look at what they have today.
funny thing is: after 5 years, chinese proved that all the concerns were taken care and they are on the new page now!
The Chinese has broken all records till today. India has also broken many records backwards
Agreed. His arguments are just biased and one sided. But I do hope that China do some good with all these power.
Not to be rude could be one of the reason it unleashed the vir@s on the world !!!
@@nanikarthik52 Accusation based on westerner geopolitical propaganda without factual proof.
true...
20:32 where did japan take over the world? The 1970-80's propaganda against Japanese were same as against China today. The US plaza accord, one of the most humiliating treaties led to this stagnant economic dome of Japanese economy which they are still suffering from
He told about 5 years ago and we realized now. That's why we need such politicians in India
Tharoor is exactly what you DON'T need in India - he is the virus, not the symptom, and most certainly not the cure.
@@mikegray8776 could you elaborate on this? Why is it that he is a virus? Are there specific things that he has done in the past?
@@adityaprasai India needs robust, commanding, and slightly imposing leaders that respect democratic values. I am a big fan of Dr. Tharoor but I don't think he's fit to be a PM of a country whose cultural values are being threatened continuously since independence (before independence as well) in the form of conversions, communist political activism, religion- based terrorism, etc as he's too liberal in his views and would give a free pass and neglect these small- small nuances (which in turn become an active volcano ready to erupt at any time). He has not shown the quality of being a leader who can take hard decisions when required. In this era, we need leaders who can take hard decisions without any fear of international pressure or condemnation because to them the country, the culture, and its people are more important than his/her liberal ideas. That's just my humble opinion. And yeah, he's kind of accused of killing his own wife. About his past, well I don't wanna point anything out but over the years I have observed a lot of his speeches and tweets with regards to the situations in our country, etc., and ...... No. I just don't feel he's the leader that India should have. He'd make a good foreign minister maybe, but not a PM, I think.
@@mitalisharma5305 modi destroyed our country
5 years later, whatever Martin said has come true, kudos 🤣👏for his accurate analysis of China.
Yes and people in China are slaves in their own homes
And after 6 years it has taken the road of decline
China's on its way down not up lol
now ,India is still as shitty as Africa ,we are on the way to be first world country .😂@@mantajsinghdhillon8840
After 5 years later, now in 2021, comparing the current economic/social status, it is obvious to see whose prediction is more correct.
Yes, in 2021 real social “development” of chyna was exposed - yet another disease coming out of them, leaked videos of sick people grabbed by their hair and dragged into ambulances (who knows where were they taken), citizens who say one bad thing about their govt vanish and their organ harvested.
Until now they had their social system hidden. But with their blunder of releasing another disease, they were put under the lens.
Behind that economic development, people saw real state of their citizens.
@@kshitiz06 you are nothing other than a joke！
@cub2 You mean china
Sour grapes
I am imagining Sashi Tharoor as my PM.....He is charm & global personality....When he represents India in the global arena as my PM.... oh great feeling!!!!!!!
I would want him to be the PM but i know that he will not want to. But even he is in cabinet he can do great things
Congress will be not in power for next 15-17 year's as it is Shrinking each day passing.he has to come in bjp to even become a cabinet minister and I see bjp without any strong opposition running centre for another 15-17 year's.PM Modi is only one option right now.and right now we require strong headed and grass rooted leader Like modi who is great in sweeping all the waste in the country and knitting a great diplomatic ties with all countries in the world Rather than Shashi tharoor who somehow carries the same old Congress mentality to keep common man poor and talk great on platforms. It is a great crime for congress people to talk even on poverty as the country had given them power for almost 70 years.a word "poverty" from these Congressi men is like a sin to talk as the country wonders how come they even after 7 decades in power are talking about eradicating poverty till date.the new generation just hates them ranting every now and then regarding poverty and they should understand that it was because of this the country has side lined them from power and I am sure they will be not in power for ever as this party will break and perish the more time they will remain out of power. also they have hitting stone on their foot by being communal by doing appeasement of a particular religion.they have failed badly on economical and social front and mind you they are dead for ever.mark my word you will not hear Congress by 2030 even in states and all small parties coming together with common agenda in power is bleak proposition there by giving party like bjp to rule for a long time and even more so with leader like modi
Need to change the party to BJP where you can have a chance.
While India and the west talk, China acts. This is the key factor that will bring China far greater success than other nation in the world.
True. Indians like Shashi Tharoor, can argue till the cows come home and yet not arrive at any conclusions or direction.
While India , west and other democracies have to deal with strikes, permissions, red tape an autocratic country has no one to answer to...
@@aravindrnair93 absolutely true !!!!!!!
@@aravindrnair93 India democracy lmao. Corrupt dogs running the country. Why so many die from covid
@@manu18190 corruption is good lmao. Do you or a family work for the government of India?
Such calm debates happen only if the speakers are really educated and expert in those fields ...ministers in sabha , literally fight ...wow shashi sir ..salute
Shashi tharoor-a pride for India!!!
AnAs ImAm ahmad
Because, he speaks English better than his masters!? The woe feeling comes the DNA that got affected by the oppressors for so long! We can only think like a slave still!
@@umasarat2983 whatever you want to say is your thought, but inspite of everything, still we are replying to each other in English only, everyone has to accept the fact whatever is prevailing
@@umasarat2983 Look at you speaking your master language as you put it that way with your victim mentality. India already achieved Independence 7 decades ago, so if we are still underdeveloped now, its our fault now, not the British or any other. Look at Germany,totally gutted in first and second world war but quickly became developed in spite of that.
@@mimin67 WTF is wrong with you?
no one is talking about British
@@hyper5677 Have you ever considered suing your brains for non support?
Just look how he speak it's so smooth ❤️ I just envy this man
Always hard to guess British politics. No one knows when , where and why they are going to lick next for their own benefits..
Everyone seems to be forgetting about the impact this "growth" can have on the environment and vice versa, how the climate change and other environmental problems are going to put a break on this kind of "growth". These things are becoming increasingly important now and could really put a limit on "growth".
As always, Indian is good in speech.
May be because they are allowed to speak!!!
@@GuruRajpm 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
And China is good in producing viruses 😉
@@GuruRajpm savage.
@@GuruRajpm in their former master's language you mean? Sorry, we just don't have that glorious opportunity.
this guy wrote a book on China but couldn't answer the questions which were raised here
No, Martin intended not to reply because he saw the bias of the debate already.
@@akakakakakak3084 lol bruh, classic Chinese way of looking at things. At least Dr. Tharoor is honest about the shortcomings of India while you can't even see the problems with Chinese system of corrupt propaganda driven communism. It's a regular thing to do that they blame the foreigners and foreign powers. These guys need to grow up.
P.s. I'm not calling you out but the CCP.
@@kunalincredible india's one of the curse is the political system.. i don't give a damn to the democracy. It's like a stupid system easily to manipulating educated and uneducated fools#democracysucks.. indian political system and bureaucracy is worst compared to china.. comparatively china has a low corruption rate... first we should change psychologically, india is so diversified compared to china. stand as an indian rather than f*cking shittest religious castiest person... we've to demolish the casteism in india then you've to speak about dictatorship, democracy etc...brute facts hard to digest..
"The pressure cooker has a safety valve" I don think so any one else can best explain how things works in India.....😂😂
The white guy should've prepare his notes well before coming to this debate
30:18 judging it in 2021, the only thing Mr Shashi has got right is his English. His basic facts are wrong by a wide margin, he was saying that export contributed 65% of chinese economy but in reality it was less than 25%. He must have been reading FB posts of Trump fanboys and spilling it here at an international forum
Lol you cannot be serious..... Most of his predictions came true if you meant his stammer then shame on! you
30:18 judging it in 2021, the only thing Mr Shashi has got right is his English. His basic facts are wrong by a wide margin, he was saying that export contributed 65% of chinese economy but in reality it was less than 25%. He must have been reading FB posts of Trump fanboys and spilling it here at an international forum.
Exports to India are valued at $65 billion dollars. That's what he meant when he said India has far diverse domestic market more than any other nation in the world.
China did really hard work in last 30 years.the becoming manufacturing giant wouldn't be possible by their public contribution... Chinese set the benchmark
As an Indian living in Shanghai.. the white guy was perfect in his understanding and assessment of china.. while Sashis views was more generic biased views of the western media.. China is an absolute phenomenon and the world can learn from its efficiency.
Correct. Our intellectuals have forgot the traditions of Purva Paksha (understanding and becoming familiar with opponents and their point of view before criticizing it)
India and China has always been the two biggest economies in the world in past 1800 years, hope India will catch up and resume its position. Best wishes for both great countries. I am Chinese.
lol, youtube is banned in china. how did you comment on this video.
@@reality_break your question is very strange? TH-cam being banned in China, but accessing TH-cam is not. Your understanding of China is so limited as to ask such 😛 question. What is more , there are Chinese on all 7 continents in this world , including Antarctica, Chinese in and out of China can access TH-cam and leave comments on it, it seems that your understanding of the world is also limited.
@@wyz9815 man you are stupid, the guy wrote that he is an indian living in shanghai and last time i checked shanghai was in china nd governed by chinese govt which has banned youtube which means you cannot access youtube via app or web which means you cannot comment on this platform from within the boundaries or borders of china which means the guy is lying and doesnt have any idea about china like you. Google karke dekhle bhai, 5 second lagte hai
Listening to this now, 5 years later. Goosebumps.
I have not seen an Indian man full of intellect, eloquent, intelligent and ideology as Mr Shashi from India in my entire life,The man is very direct and always full of ideas and wisdom,I admire him so much, God bless you Mr Shashi.
whats your background? btw you sound like a f'in bigoted idiot.
Well he is but i advise you to meet more indians you will where it is coming from.
@@abhinavvaidya4432tell me just 3 indians name who speak with such fluency and intellectually. I am waiting...
Everyone in 2016: How will China surpass US economy in next few years?
China in 2019: We have a "viral" solution :P
That viral solution will create many problems.
Gaurav Ghosh. There is no power on Earth that can take on America. Not China, Not Russia, Not India in a hundred years. Under Britain, India was #2 economic power in 1945. In 1947, India was #15. Today India is 84 lagging behind African countries. The US is number 1 exporter of oil and gas. To compete with US, Saudi & Russia were force to sell oil @$25 a barrel. The US has the world biggest Gold reserve locked in Fort Knox 900 metric tons. And Gold is still found all over America. How many oil, gas fields, Gold mines do China has? One of the biggest mistakes made by Indians was to kick out the British. What has India gained by kicking Brits out?
@@francisgodinho9077 India's economy before mughals came-32%, India's economy when British came(mughals left)-23%, India's economy when British left-4%...
I dont need to explain you why the economy fell when these people ruled India..
The brutality that mughals and British did in India cannot be described here in a single comment..rather i suggest you to go and read some decent history books so you'll get some idea about it.
I am not saying that India's economy would've been 32% now if they didn't rule but im saying that we would've been in a far more better position compared to now.
The earth is 4.5 billion years old and in that according to Gregorian calendar we are in 2020 so considering this 2k years there have been many rulers throughout the world who have dominated the others by power or economically as well. There have been many European rulers like Julius Caesar or Alexander, or in Asia like Genghis khan or Akbar or The Mauryan empire which ruled whole India during its peak golden age and made India the most richest and prosperous nation in the world(when America was not even a word). But none of the empires stayed. In just 2k years many empires thought to be everlasting saw their fall. Not one empire continued to dominate forever. Those people living at that time also thought like you...that they cant be defeated.. but nothing is constant. People die and born again...sameway nations die and are reborn..the only thing constant is change.. Everything happens for a reason...we cannot change it...but we can learn from it..
@@muzan-kun626 👏big claps... For u bro....
@@francisgodinho9077 You definitely suffer from the whole western superiority complex.
I am watching it twice just to feel good and mesmerized how Shashi is making other well-read people think twice before speaking
in front of him
Indeed
India should use the services of this man.
He is still talking and he did not go anywhere.
6 years have passed.... And Martin is still correct
India has western democracy.
@@arminius6506 LoL. The west got rich by robbing colonies. Idiot, democracy is India now. India can be superpower if you invade and steal
@OK, 😂 you are very naive. People don't care about political systems if their lives are improving. If the CCP keeps Chinese people happy with growth, the will be no uprising. Even democracies have uprisings when people don't people feel the government is failing them.
@OK,
India ranked at the bottom of starvation list, lower than Angola, Ethiopia etc ....
And also ranked 142 in world press freedom, journalists were killed reporting against BJP, what are you smoking stupid. 🥱🥱🥱
@OK,
Everybody in the international community view India as a shit hole country except India's Hindu fanatics. 😁
The most important attribute I see in sashi that he understands India as well as world equally well
Even the gods sculptures are made in china. What's wrong with us!
That's their job to make cheap goods.
Dr. Tharoor, I have listened to your China assessment in 2020 and 2021, and for some reason you have taken a more hawkish stand. Aside from your anger over the border dispute, I have just some comments about your "democratic pressure cooker has a safety valve" and "as long as the Indian people are fed and sheltered and happy." in this video.
1. Haiti is the oldest democracy in western hemisphere. Not only was her president assassinated last year, her 2020 GDP per Cap PPP was $3,094, ranked 171 of 198 regions.
2. Kazakhstan is a democracy. The people has just violently forced the entire government to be fired.
3. U.S.' capital hill, their legislation building, got raided by mobs, and a threat of civil war talk has ensued until this day.
4. Civil unrest rose globally by 10%, with Belarus recording the largest deterioration. There were 14,871 violent demonstrations, protests and riots recorded globally in 2020.
5. India's farmer protest lasted over a year.
6. India's 2020 GDP per Cap PPP was $6,501, ranked 136/198, lower than Sri Lanka, Iraq, Vietnam and Indonesia. By your argument that as long as the Indian public in general are fed and sheltered, they should feel very good about the way they are governed. And the soft power of Yoga and Bollywood would give Indians a high self-esteem in front of other countries. I guess same can be said about the Iraqis or the Sri Lankans.
7. China's 2020 GDP per Cap PPP was $17,204, ranked 82/198, with more population than India but almost 3X the avg income, and you are telling us that as long as Indian people are fed and sheltered they should be happy? Are you cutting the Indian democracy too much slack?
8. China still has a major corruption issue. That will be her downfall. In 2021, more than 7900 officials found guilty of corruption, with 16B USD involved, so I am not just singing the Chinese praises. But when we look into the same category for India, she ranked 86/180 countries in Transparency International's CPI 2020 report. Democracy didn't prevail there either.
9. You touched on the Xinjiang Uyghur issue, let's review it from a financial perspective. Xinjiang's GDP per Cap PPP in 2020 was $8,236. Uyghur people also reside in the neighbouring countries of Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan. In 2020, Uzbekistan's GDP per Cap PPP was $7,731, Kazakhstan $26,744, and Kyrgyzstan $4,962. Aside from the mineral rich Kazakhstan, Xinjiang residents on average are better off than their neighbours in similar geography, and better off than the Indians. By your logic, if the Indians are happy with what they have from the government, the Uyghurs should be happier.
Wow, You have done some serious analysis of video and comments made.
As they always say, you write the most and shall thus get our praise!
The audience is like me and my friends, ,,, while teacher says,"raise your and if you have any question".. we just stay shut 😂
No better Indian politician is available today than Mr. Shashi Tharoor who can represent India best in the world platform. You are just a brilliant orator and thinker!
ST - Why don't you open your mouth once about Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose mystery?
THE KING CRABS IN THE BJP,RSS, CONGRESS ETC WILL NEVER EVER MAKE THAT MISTAKE
There's only one similarity between the 2 countries: population size, otherwise, not too much to compare.
There’s faith similarities, culture similarities, same land, same continent... soo...
We have so much similarities in our history and our vision. Both the people were oppressed in the past by colonial rule, both gained independence. Both we're trying hard to give better life to the huge population of its country. Both of them are the fastest growing economy and potential super power nation in the future
How about Buddhism? there's also shared morals, ethics, cuisine, history, etc.
@@TRAP-tr5nr there are zero faith or cultural similarities. Where did you get that from?
@@gustofzephyr947 Buddhism was only in Tibet (now China), started by an Indian dude who couldn't sell the concept at home. Buddhists are barely even a minority in India. It's a hoot watching all these non-chinese non-indian dipshits talking out their asses. Reeks of American (READ WHITE AMERICAN) privilege and astounding ignorance.
Would be interesting to have this same debate in today’s context of Covid 19 situation
Watching this in 2020, and we know Shashi was always right.
china was always winning. He was wrong.
Indians are starving, no food, no technology, no rails, no roads, no military, ...
@@KaladarSTUCHH- You don't have a working brain bro
How was he right? I know you are fan. But take your shades off, my man.
Sashi is the the kind of leaders India needs. Brilliant mind and excellent speaker. I hope he becomes PM soon. He just gets it. No Chinese in the audience will ask a question, and thus identify themself, for risk of heading to the front of the line for giving up their organs.
Mister Methuselah he need to quite the Congress .
India needs a Dr Tharoor but he can only win an an election from an educated constituency like Thiruvananthapuram. Just imagine him contesting in Bhopal against Sadhvi Pragya.... he will lose his deposit!
COGRESS MAN ALLOWED CONGRESS GHANDIS TO STEAL THE NATION
@Harindran Koroth he literally won the 2009 election.
@Harindran Koroth if the public didn't want him they would've never voted for congress a second time
Shashi: India VS China
Martin: China VS America
@Yash Chaudhary They may pretend their comparison is not based on prosperity, but it is.
Now I've seen everything in internet..a Chinese speaking English fluently without Chinese accent..
love your comment and agreed too.
in fact, indian accent english is a big joke in the world.
btw, CHINA is much much better and stronger than india.
@@eugeneb2914 This is a collective reply to all those people who make such a big deal out of foreign accents...(including Indians). Homo sapiens already have a mountain of problems to deal with. As if it was not enough, all we are doing is adding more to the bucket..Accent is nothing to be ashamed of... It is something that was gifted to us by our respective mother tongues.. I believe it is okay to find other accents funny and weird, but using it as a tool to humiliate and ridicule others is somewhat immature.. I think that even the comment abt chinese accent is equally wrong and Indians would have reacted even more strongly to the comment if it had been addressed to them.
But people need to be sensible.The comment section would be less toxic that way...
And as a reply to the STRONGER part of ur comment, well we all love our motherland. True sense of patriotism lies in feeling proud to be a part of your nation and voicing out your concerns when no other will dare to. Boasting and looking down upon other countries is not called service to the nation. This is something that everyone needs to understand (Indians too)
He is japanese
The host is an American? American Accent? Took place in US.
Just got this debate on my TH-cam recommendation list right now and my first thought while watching this peaceful debate (which is very very rare in India nowadays) - Man that host is enjoying this excellent piece of discussion by sitting in the front seat!!!
The Indian guy is a lot more eloquent and articulate than the other one. And I don't know about Africa, but at least as far as Latin America is concerned China is not a model, specifically for politics.
India is not a model either
Indian guy is an eloquent charlatan -- the British author has actually done his homework and couldn't believe the stupidity coming from that idiot's mouth.
The idea of India is rather compelling with its non-political soft power. Especially if you are outside looking in.
K Jones Brown people? I'm an Indian and even my penis (darker than the rest of my body) isn't brown in color. People in my family range from the palest White (very common) with green eyes and brown hair (blonde hair at birth) and beautiful Caucasian bone structure to a beautiful dark olive skin color with almond eyes and black hair. But brown is nowhere to be found. You do realize that not all Indians are brown, right? The Upper Caste NW Indians are more commonly White or light olive skinned and are Caucasian Indo Aryans. Look up Pria Kataria Puri or Rohit Bal or Neil Nitin Mukesh (all individual people) on TH-cam for examples of what I'm talking about. You sound like an ignorant and idiotic buffoon who is also deluded and bigoted for all the wrong reasons.
@@TheBollywoodCritic TMI rivershitter, I don't want to know or care about your tiny condom using penii.
The fact that you pretend that Indians aren't brown points to your slave mentality. I've been around Indians of high and low caste and the fact that you rank each other by caste (which you have no control over) and skin color (which again is a slave mentality and which you have no control) says alot about who the "idiotic buffoon" is here.
The fact is you're a mental slave and using skin color and caste and examples of stupid bollywood movie celebrities as a crutch is a fairly obvious symptom of the illness of your country and culture.
i want to learn english from Dr tharoor and on the sly i will also steal some intelligence from him
@VK you sound jealous, bitter & ignorant.
You can steal his ideas I don’t think you can steal his intelligence. You can only develop your own
VK bit harsh isn’t it?
@Akash sahu it's how you turn your words into your vocab. Period
VK
His mother was very much able to afford to buy coz he is from a wealthy family. But you jealous, not sure about your mom.
Beautiful debate, just by sheer brilliance and calm of Tharoor.
well said dear Shashi, we are not in competition with China or any other big power, but to live in this world like everyone. But there is always a statement given by others to ignite problem between both. There was a time, china was one of India,s best friend.
Shashi tharur ,I just love this beautiful mind guy!!!!
well done Shashi as always
People are forgetting that Written Tamil is older than any Chinese text. Sanskrit; however, is older than both in spoken form, then passed down orally for generations
Pannini was a linguist in vedic India (and more were like him) who theorised the principles of written and spoken communication. He is considered to be the first grammarian of the world. His essays were translated into Chinese in 4 B.C.
@VK wrong debate in the wrong comment. You need to change the power pf your specs or gain some brain cells.
Tamil is much older than Sanskrit
@VK troll
Thamil is the oldest living language in the world
In India have much Ingredients to made a testy food but lack of right cook could not able to do that. I mean to say that India has so many opportunities but lack of management India could not able to develop.... Sir Sashi tharror is a great eloquent and representer... 🙏
Oh my God Dr. Shashi tharoor sir, this was like a surgical strike by words.
Hats off to you sir
Sashi Tharoor is trying hard to defent the bjp ruling communal shit hole . People like Sashi Tharoor must lead India .
@@josephnorton6859 huh?
Want to see you as a P.M of india.
Never happens, when indira Gandhi family alive. We should get rid of them, coz they think it’s their way of getting in to power. Congress is not for common man. They think it’s for their family.
He is unfit to be a dirty crooked politician we see every day IN INDIA
I AM SURE,. SHASHI THAROOR IF GIVEN A CHANCE, HE WOULD MAKE A GREAT PM OF INDIA. CONGRESS IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE THE CONGRESS PARTY, THE GANDHI DYNASTY HAVE TO GIVE OVER THE BATON TO DR. SHASHI THAROOR, WHO WILL BE VERY POPULAR IN INDIA N ALL. OVER THE WORLD. HE IS PRESENT ABLE N VERY HIGHLY EDUCATED. BJP MODI N SHAH WHO R UNEDUCATED PAIR WILL BE CRUSHED. NO MORE BJP. WHAT A RELIEF TO KNOW, THAT WE CAN SPEAK OUR MIND N NOT UNDER DICTATORSHIP OF BJP N THEIR HINDUTWA IDEA. GOOD LUCK TO. DR. SHASHI THAROOR. 👍🙏
Rahul gandhi nhi maanegye🤣
@@isaivendanperiyasamy7838 but how to do it?
I only want to hear Shashi❤
When asking about innovation examples, one has no idea, and the other one knows only Baidu/Alibaba. And it is in 2016, did not anyone feel something is wrong here? The two speakers do not know about China at all. If people at their status, with their titles and honorous labels have no idea about China, did not realize they themselve have no idea about China but strangely jumped on the stage to "empower" people about China, that explains so many surprises in later years.
I miss these kinds of debates in India.😕😕
Very good Discussion!! Hope more indian people and other view this Video. We need cooperation, not wars!
So much wishdom, the way shashi Tharoor speaks.I can keep listening to him all day.Such eloquent speaker.. 👌👌.
Good conversation. Thank you Shashi sir for representing our country.
Man with value ...
Shashi Tharoor.
It doesn't mean which party you support whether it's BJP or CONGRESS....
This man needs appreciation from both the sides...
Live long Mr tharoor ❤...
Shashi tharoor is a very good listener...Good explanantion to each and every question ...Impressive speech....
If Shashi takes Yoga and Bollywood as soft power, then Bruce Lee would have been China's soft power. The brash behaviour of Chinese tourist in other countries should change. Be mindful that there are also some mindless western tourist who do not respect the cultural nuance of the countries they visited. Shashi has not mentioned that Japan and USSR failed to achieved what they ought because of the unilateral pressure by the US. Can the same US containment be applied to China? Will it work? Will China succumb to the US malicious containment? I would prefer in the short term to have authoritarian in order for the society to progress instead of the perpetual repression conduct by the US against weaker nations. Shashi's view of China on technology about 5 years ago was no so correct... China nowadays are quite advance in the technological development. It will continue if not for the US sabotages. Regarding cooperation between China and India, it is India which does not wish to cooperate.
The British guy was right about innovation though.Now in 2020, China has been doing great in the field o AI and Internet.
If this guy is a famous specialist in India, That would ease my mind.
without doubt .
This discussion has the format & approach of discussions on DD News, RSTV and LSTV!!👍👍👍
Kudos for anchor!!👌👌👌
Suppppprrrrrrrrrrr ...great talk ..
Exclllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllntt by Dr.Shashi Tarooor MP .
Weldon Sir
i watch this again again and again
It gives me so much of an intellectual stimulation listening to Mr. Tharoor. I am proud to have such wonderful politicians in India but unfortunately he is not at the helm of affairs due to narrow domestic political walls. It is high time that India picks up candidates like him for the top positions disregarding political boundaries. Mr. Shashi has to be picked up for the top job in India otherwise we will be making the grave mistake that will be irreparable.
According to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs - desire of democracy (self propel) comes the last of the human need, whereas material desires (food), safety & order, social belongings and Ego (prestige) comes before. That makes China a normal developing country, whereas India should be considered as odd one as it puts ego first then democracy then food security and at last safety & security.
5 years down the road , we have witnessed China coming on top of positive predictions and all Dr Shashi concerns of negativity have not happened.
Today China GDP is 6 times larger than India.
China settled 16 out of 17 border disputes with its neighbours. The lone unsettled case is with India which still has problem in Kashmir Sikkim, Bhutan Nepali n others.
If China n India work together, they would command a listening ear from the world. Of course US will be the first not to allow this alliance to happen. The ball is actually in India’s court.
The south china sea dispute still stands. Also we weren't the ones who were troubling 17 nations in the 1st place
The SCS island dispute is a recent development of about 70 years ago. The islands grab by Vietnam Philippines and Malaysia took place when China and Taiwan were not strong enough to defend them or perhaps elected not to do so. It is onerous for them to prove their ownership claims instead of China
@@sktan3743 we can work as soon as china leaves the Tibetan border and de-militarize this zone
@@ghostwarrior-ni1xb there is little time to waste , besides money spent on weaponry is not generally productive. Wisdom may require the adoption of the concept “agree to disagree and set aside differences for greater development good to come”
Peace negotiation is always time consuming to negotiate because of its very nature that neither party will compromise on sovereignty. Both sides have to be seen to come up on top for domestic politics. For practical reason don’t dwell on issues that are difficult and very time consuming to resolve . There is a time n place for everything!
@@sktan3743 instead writing an gibberish paragraphs give an simple straight answer
Money spent on weaponry not being productive seriously what do you think I am an idiot who can't see through deceptions and lies (weapons give deterrence from hostiles factions )
setting aside differences its not hard what prevent it from happening is starting conflicts with neighbors
peace negotiations held but our neighboring country breaks it
for practical reasons we need to keep hostile nations at bay
Chinese man is very sharp and does not let any fact twisting if shashi wants to try😆😆😆
Martin speaks with grounded truth. He doesn't need to be glib.
The Indian is smooth talker but without strength behind his words. The world has been the difference. China is growing stronger than USA, or India or Vietnam before and after the pandemic. All the pandering does not help India.
Then why is a British Guy defending China? Couldn't they find a chinese to defend his nation and put across its positions?
@@rajeshktrivedi Martin Jacques is not defending China. He is explaining his own point of view.
For Chinese POV, search for Prof. Zhang Weiwei Or Commissar Jin on weibo channel.
Martin fumbling on the first real question from the audience 😂😂😂
That chinese guy took coffee to represent America.. 😂
this indian smart talk and remains smart talk
A few years back a survey done with 2000 European hotels and the worst tourists were said to be the French followed by Indians and Chinese.
Very interesting. India should have system to appoint such intellectuals on deserving positions irrespective of party affiliations.
O gosh!! Paradigm shift, it reminds me of my IR classes.
I want to see tharoor as PM
if Tharoor is Indian PM India will do great , he is a intelligent, mindful and neutral guy.
Hmm very interesting debate I was a expecting to see bit longer conversation specially when they touch on those sensitive topics....any way this is what debate should be like not interrupting each other speech......
looking back today，dr Sasha's prediction fell apart miserably
How so?
@@chinmaysharma9424 When you visit China, you will fine out.
@@suhongpan5459 well, his point was political situation not economical. China is still a dictatorship and US is nervous about it because recently they've trapped many african and asian countries in their debt trap and now acting like imperialists. Along with that china is facing a population crisis, yes they've developed infrastructure and all but their political system is still dictatorial. Look I don't want china to fail but what they're doing we've seen before and that doesn't lead to a good place.
@@chinmaysharma9424 What is the US really worried about has nothing to do with China's political system, but the replacement of itself as the No. 1 in the world. Don't worry! China won't fail in the forseeable future. As the spokeswoman of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Miss Hua, put it, China has no intention to surpass the US, but itself. I'm certain China can only be better. Certainly, I also deliver my best wishes to India, our great neigbour.
@@chinmaysharma9424 OK, let me from another point, to explain.2019, close two hundreds million Chinese went abroad, over 99.99% go back, some of them find better job in West, they still holding Chinese passport. Most of Chinese top leaders come from ordinary family, every one of them has to work from lowest to top, it needs two more decades to complete the process, this is only one in today's world. Go to Chinese WeiBo, see what kind free speech the Chinese can have.,
Bharat from today on 15th August 2018 shall not going to become super power but the Power itself "A Super Energy which lead all the countries to peace,love,prosperity,moral ,truth and harmony a Vision come true of Lord Krishna "Vasudhaiva Kutumbakkam" means "World is one Family"
Arnab should Learn something from Shashi Tharoor.
A healthy debate with a vision and caution. If India and China makes sure that their competition doesn't become conflict on Geo political and Geo Economic front, both countries have a long way to go towards inter dependable trade, ethnicity and cultures of more than 2000years old.
17:40 was epic
41:59 when teacher ask question in class and no student raise thier hands... Teacher be like commom there got to be someone to ask question
So to conclude...I admire you Dr Tharoor.. Eagerly wana see uu as the PM of India...
I tried to explain it to my professors that depending on cheap labor will not get the country far as AI is taking the wage jobs away. I felt so excited to see Dr. Shashi Tharoor saying the same thing as me :D
You and Shashi dont know how manufacturing works. And that poor guy had got his basic facts wrong because in 2016 China had giot the most 5G patents (tech whuich autonmous robots needs to communicate) and 2nd most patents in AI. And it will be more easier to replace workers with machines step by step within supply chains rathar than building a huge factory full of robots (which will be possible only after 2040)
@@arminius6506 It seems you have no idea how much time it takes to bring changes in labor force or an entire economy. Do you think the entire labor force will be ready for this change within a year or two? There is a reason why some developed countries have already started teaching kid in primary school how to code. It will take at least 10 years to prepare an entire generation for this upcoming changes in the job market. By the way we don't have to wait till 2040 for factory full of robots. we already have it now. Its not about having 0 need of human workers in factories. its about needing a very low number of humans in the factories and gradually the number getting lower every year.
Well we should also admire that interviewer/journalist for perfectly putting the debate on the table for us.