I am responding to a subscriber who is hesitant to leave AA, but I would also like to address everyone out here, who wants to leave AA and don't feel they can.
I've said exactly that, to so many of them (my landlord insists upon renting almost exclusively, to these ex-rehab types, so I can't but hear their recovery shit, whenever I go outside for a smoke). I asked them if that wasn't warrant enough, if not to call it a cult, then to at least state it as being quite bizarre. Well, you'd well known the reaction I got. It would be akin to starting university, yet having each succeeding day be the initial orientation day, over and over, again. They then use that saying of theirs, that people can be too smart for AA, but not too stupid. I told them that yeah, that describes my point perfectly. Why then, would so many disdain it? Ah it pretty much is a cult, the way you can't get shit like that across to them, as they are so indoctrinated. I knew this guy who was quite literate, and enjoyed debating things. But once he got into that ludicrous AA shit, he suddenly became like that.
Thanks for the video...I enjoyed it When I left AA, someone called me and said that I "can't leave AA because you owe a debt to the newcomer since AA was there when you needed help!" Talk about a manipulative guilt trip. I just laughed and hung up the phone
@@maxmeeks9910 When I had a stroke, seven years ago, the disability I got forced me to move into one of those rent-subsidized buildings. Those places are awash with those fucks. For a time, I had to use a walker, to go out for a smoke. Those cocksuckers would constantly inundate me with requests for cigarettes, spare change, and would sit there, regaling me with their tedious recovery talk. I was finally able to afford to move out of there, four years ago. When I went to turn in my key, I just told them to go fuck themselves.
“Sure don’t”.. grobbles the frothy Old’Slimer. “It’s not the methings you make..it’s the steps you take.” -says the gleaming Wilsonite. What a bunch of bologna. It’s just a big user’fest of narcissistic legends in their own minds & frothy imaginations lying, cheating & stealing from each other everyday while living a sober life beyond their wildest dreams. -that’s from “As Jay See’s it”, btw.
It really only serves as an affectation, to make them feel they can go about, wearing it as a badge of status. I don't know how many times I've been with normal people, when one of those clowns sees me, and comes join us. They inevitably start talking about AA, and when they finally leave, all my friends are asking me where I ever met that bizarre guy. I tell them, ashamedly, that my building was awash with them.
I went to AA, and boy what an eye opener. This guy started talking about how changed he was etc to the group. Then when we were coming home in the car he’s bragging how he is on benefits, living the life of Riley. Now, I believe there’s no shame in being in benefits. But a perfectly able dude boasting about it to someone who works full time, after just speaking to the group like some kind of new man was a bit much. I thought literally, you sir are an idiot and I never went back. Also, I haven’t touch a drop of alcohol in over 6 and a half years.
I was thinking the other day,... I was relieved decade ago when I last did dope and then I realized I'm more relieved that I don't have to do AA ever again...lol! For real the insane mind fuckery that kept me around no longer has its grip on me.
Yay, you uploaded another video! I've been a longtime follower and haven't binge-drank in over 1 year. I can't wait until my 1-year anniversary of being completely alcohol-free WITHOUT AA! I credit your channel as well as the book 'This Naked Mind' to not drinking. Also, my weight has gone from 185lb down to 153lb and I'm on the carnivore diet. I do mostly beef roasts in a Dutch oven, no other ingredients. I've gone down on a medication for sleep from 10mg down to 2.5. I'm doing a slow taper because if you jump too quickly, you'll get cluster headaches. Life is so much better without alcohol and WITHOUT AA!! Edit: I'm very health-conscious and the rare moment I think about whiskey, I think about it going into my stomach and damaging my gut microbiome. I think when you quit alcohol, your gut rebuilds and gets stronger. Btw, are you getting sick less now that you're off alcohol?
Thanks so much for this video; I really look forward to your uploads, and I absolutely needed to hear your messge of hope (genuine, not AA fear-mongering amd dogmatism dressed up as suxh).I got sucked back into AA recently by a well-meaning friend after having a really difficult summer of realpses. I know instinctively how destructive it is to me; how nothing feels right, and yet- I still went back out of desperation and fear. The condescention and pity from many now that I'm labelled a "chronic realpser" is soul-destroying. I, and anyone struggling with SUD deserve so much better than a sanctimonious cult which demands we surrender to a life of servitude and self-debasement. There is nothing for me there, but their messge is insidious and I am struggling to de-program. My advice to anyone is to create a life worth living outside of "the rooms". Volunteering, self-care, hobbies, therapy and Aa alternatives such as SMART & Lifering- ANYTHING that helps you move towards living for you and boosting your self-worth. Thanks again for reminding me there is hope without Aa "garbage" , Victor.
I second this mate, been in the exact same position as yourself time & time again. I credit finding a passion in fishing again as a major factor in me changing my life. Great advice and good luck deprogramming. I’m out over a year but I struggle. I’m being open I don’t have any friends. Just drug associates or ex recovery associates. I’ve went back in the past due to the feeling of believing I was alone in this world. Nothing more lonely than being in a room full of people who are praying upon your downfall.
@Garvey94, thanks for replying. Fishing sounds like a great way to unwind and actually heal yourself. Like you said, the rooms are incredibly toxic, but the "Program" has a way of making you feel dependant and doomed without it. I hope that your situation improves, and you make some true friends soon. You deserve it.
Thanks so much for clarifying about the thunder because I would have thought it was AA god calling down to punish me with an alcoholic death for leaving bill Wilson’s cult
18 years and going strong no 12-step. Evidently I'm the Enigma. Went to AA when I was court ordered and afterwards I was done never worked a single step never had a sponsor
AA is merely watered-down Christian Evangelicalism, with some extraneous bits thrown in, merely as window dressing filler. Think of it more as just an adult Sunday school for lower class types, with a focus upon temperance, but with no mention of Christ. As a pragmatic agnostic, I require no theistic philosophy, with which to guide my ethics. Religion's real use was as a means of controlling the masses, by instilling in them a fear of God's wrath, if they stepped out of line. Whether deities did indeed, exist, was of secondary moment, as the mere belief in them, in maintaining order, was what mattered. A pragmatic agnostic claims no knowledge of whether deities exist, or not (or that such knowledge, either way, is ever possible), and that even if they did, they would appear to be indifferent to human welfare, so as such, should be considered irrelevant and ignored.
Victor, I'm sure you've seen an interview with Charles Manson. There was some parole board hearing years ago, and this woman on the board was asking Manson questions. She asked him about his prison activities, and the fact that attended AA in prison. At some point, he stopped going, and she inquired why. This isn't word for word, but Manson said something like, "Everyone of those people in those meeting are messed up! I didn't they did me any good, but I just wanted to get out of my cell. I'd rather stay in my cell than go to one of those meetings ever again.". Say what you will about Manson, he was onto AA. Funny thing, he was saner than a lot of those people in the roomz.
It is almost terrifying to realize that even someone as insane as Manson, could see through their bullshit. And you know its bad, if you would rather sit in a cell than actually have the freedom of movement.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Victor, you ever met one of those ex-cons gurus, who in many cases are un-medicated and mentally ill? I knew one that had a "ministry" that catered to AA members. He heard voices, and were sure they were "Of God". When one looks back at what we all tolerated in "The Roomz", it's actually kind of terrifying.
Yes, victim blaming addicts who haven't been violent criminals is absolutely embedded in the fabric of our overly Calvinist influenced society. AA has only reinforced it. And the violent criminals often end up as useless or manipulative gurus or the sickest but most popular members of the tribe in Step groups. All the double binds in religious practice can make people more prone to being even more twisted.
I hate to tell you brother....you should have tried na for a while....it will do you right....set you free.....NOT....left the other cult over a year ago...still not using....i got around 5 years or so...3 years going to na meetings...anoying place...phony old timers grandstanding and 13th stepping. You know....the usual horrible behaviors...love the videos victor...you are saving more lives with one video as opposed to a century of aa and na meetings...for real!!!!
@michaelkern-Victor has referenced The Sopranos, when Chris started going to AA Meetings. There was a throwaway line Chris used. He was talking to someone in AA and said something like, "Screw NA! It's full of white trash and losers.". When I was attending AA, I primarily went to a men's meeting that accepted drug addicts. So many of the guys that attended, had uttered similar sentiments as Chris from The Sopranos. Did you find this to be the case?
Na is more passive agressive...but when the fish stinks it stinks from the head down...most of the old timers...aka old slimers...frown upon aa...they have too much competition to be the center of attention at aa...so they only like na better so they can talk the whole meeting without any competition competition
I went to a meeting after deprogramming from the cult. What a bunch of idiots. Nothing made sense to me. I can’t believe I listened to this bullshit for 22years. Keep up the work. I love your work 😊
Right, "you drink because you are an alcoholic." Why you got drunk when you were trying to not drink doesn't matter at all. Its like the dark ages with these people.
Yep Just like they will tell you, "YOU CHOSE TO DRINK!" if you relapse, but then will sit in meetings and say, "The alcoholic has lost the power of choice"
@@BlueButterfly-mw8ld I just love the way they tell everyone what they are REALLY thinking, and what they REALLY want. It is almost like, "You can't possibly think like this because it will screw up my narrative, you have to think just like this, so I can continue in my delusions"
Victor we’ve just a really a good thing happen in my country that I’ve just found out about. In Scotland it’s difficult to get processed as an addict through the court system they don’t just throw anyone to rehab. So there’s this law that’s been brought in now where rehabs that had return clients. Basically cash cows, can no longer claim to be trying to help people when they’re returning for their 8th/13th stay. Judges are now being given powers to push for alternative rehabs etc and look for other options. Sounds like the community based rehabs are being held to task/accountability which sounds good. Here’s hoping it may start opening judges eyes to the whole recovery industry and realising that it’s screwed.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 only reason I found out was I was at court the other day. There’s this guy who has a season ticket for a rehab he’s basically stayed there since it opened. He thought he’d get away with it again because he was in and the judge told him his days of hiding in that rehab are done. I’ve been in that one 3 times over the space of 5 years and he’s been in every single time.
I really want to do your show. I watch it all the time and it inspired a lot of my book. All you anti-aa TH-camrs did. But what's cool about you is that you somehow avoided the cirque that seemed just like AA people because they were
Have you considered ripping the audio from your videos and uploading them as a podcast? Would be convenient for your audience and also might get you more listeners
The idea that you have to say everyday "hi im (....) and im an alcoholic." This is just reinforcing the myth that you have a disease. Alcohol use disorder AUD is NOT a disease. Find other ways, get a therapist or life coach. Great video. Thanks
Totally agree, telling yourself that you are ALWAYS going to be sick, for the rest of your life, you can not graduate, you can not get better, is probably very damaging for most people that are not part of the hierarchy of gurus that get high off of bullying people.
I left since some members started to contact me out of the room or asking me favours. All my catharsis at the meetings were specially concerning pressure from family, work and specially the members who told: "what a good speech you did" were the first asking for something. Passage with car, or "can I call you? (Because can' stand londliness and always need that injection of dopamine given by bla-bla-bla all time", take a day off for one of them for a hospital check. But he could walk and take a train as I did when couldn t drive.....and instead of telling : "don' t bother me, don' t put yourself between me and my recovery" , I shut up, walked away and block their numbers
Indeed. AA God /Higher Power is a disgusting bully, that wants you to bow and scrape doing steps all the days of your lives, and in return, it MIGHT give you one more day of sobriety, but if it does not, then it is all the person's fault for not bowing, scraping, begging and doing 12 steps hard enough. What an asshole God they follow. Then they have the nerve to sit in meetings and say, "Some have to die so that others can live" and "By the grace of God" when other people suffer. It is so vile beyond words.
Ugh just love your videos. It’s been over a year since I left and your words got me through the many times when that AA programming of “I’m gonna drink if I don’t show up” crept up. Ty for showing us that true freedom is possible. This is service 🫡
A good idea might be to have people who should quit drinking have to attend some AA meetings. The purpose being, that they may quit, just out of fear that they could become like all those idiots in those meetings. I knew a few guys in which that was the case. I could see the logic of it, though I'm sure it wouldn't get AA's endorsement, ha, ha!
The wisdom of AA is the same group of self important clowns spewing out the same four or five talking points meeting after meeting.
I've said exactly that, to so many of them (my landlord insists upon renting almost exclusively, to these ex-rehab types, so I can't but hear their recovery shit, whenever I go outside for a smoke). I asked them if that wasn't warrant enough, if not to call it a cult, then to at least state it as being quite bizarre. Well, you'd well known the reaction I got. It would be akin to starting university, yet having each succeeding day be the initial orientation day, over and over, again. They then use that saying of theirs, that people can be too smart for AA, but not too stupid. I told them that yeah, that describes my point perfectly. Why then, would so many disdain it? Ah it pretty much is a cult, the way you can't get shit like that across to them, as they are so indoctrinated. I knew this guy who was quite literate, and enjoyed debating things. But once he got into that ludicrous AA shit, he suddenly became like that.
Thanks for the video...I enjoyed it When I left AA, someone called me and said that I "can't leave AA because you owe a debt to the newcomer since AA was there when you needed help!" Talk about a manipulative guilt trip. I just laughed and hung up the phone
Good episode... and we need to keep outlining all the double binds in AA as well as how why double binds are so destructive.
AA is not for people who have an addiction, it's for people who are insane.
That is the truth
It was rooms filled with even less honest people than average. The bottom percent of society. Sociopaths.
@@maxmeeks9910 When I had a stroke, seven years ago, the disability I got forced me to move into one of those rent-subsidized buildings. Those places are awash with those fucks. For a time, I had to use a walker, to go out for a smoke. Those cocksuckers would constantly inundate me with requests for cigarettes, spare change, and would sit there, regaling me with their tedious recovery talk. I was finally able to afford to move out of there, four years ago. When I went to turn in my key, I just told them to go fuck themselves.
Meeting makers don’t always “make it”.
“Sure don’t”.. grobbles the frothy Old’Slimer.
“It’s not the methings you make..it’s the steps you take.”
-says the gleaming Wilsonite.
What a bunch of bologna.
It’s just a big user’fest of narcissistic
legends in their own minds & frothy imaginations lying, cheating & stealing from each other everyday while living a sober life beyond their wildest dreams.
-that’s from “As Jay See’s it”, btw.
It really only serves as an affectation, to make them feel they can go about, wearing it as a badge of status. I don't know how many times I've been with normal people, when one of those clowns sees me, and comes join us. They inevitably start talking about AA, and when they finally leave, all my friends are asking me where I ever met that bizarre guy. I tell them, ashamedly, that my building was awash with them.
I went to AA, and boy what an eye opener. This guy started talking about how changed he was etc to the group. Then when we were coming home in the car he’s bragging how he is on benefits, living the life of Riley. Now, I believe there’s no shame in being in benefits. But a perfectly able dude boasting about it to someone who works full time, after just speaking to the group like some kind of new man was a bit much. I thought literally, you sir are an idiot and I never went back.
Also, I haven’t touch a drop of alcohol in over 6 and a half years.
I was thinking the other day,... I was relieved decade ago when I last did dope and then I realized I'm more relieved that I don't have to do AA ever again...lol! For real the insane mind fuckery that kept me around no longer has its grip on me.
Yay, you uploaded another video! I've been a longtime follower and haven't binge-drank in over 1 year. I can't wait until my 1-year anniversary of being completely alcohol-free WITHOUT AA! I credit your channel as well as the book 'This Naked Mind' to not drinking.
Also, my weight has gone from 185lb down to 153lb and I'm on the carnivore diet. I do mostly beef roasts in a Dutch oven, no other ingredients. I've gone down on a medication for sleep from 10mg down to 2.5. I'm doing a slow taper because if you jump too quickly, you'll get cluster headaches.
Life is so much better without alcohol and WITHOUT AA!!
Edit: I'm very health-conscious and the rare moment I think about whiskey, I think about it going into my stomach and damaging my gut microbiome. I think when you quit alcohol, your gut rebuilds and gets stronger. Btw, are you getting sick less now that you're off alcohol?
I have noticed an improvement in my overall health, however, the weight issue is something that I am still working on :)
AA doesn't prey on fear, it's BUILT on fear.
Few situations are worse thn being stuck in a 12 Step rehab feeling trapped because you the courts might treat you favorably if you stay in.
Thanks so much for this video; I really look forward to your uploads, and I absolutely needed to hear your messge of hope (genuine, not AA fear-mongering amd dogmatism dressed up as suxh).I got sucked back into AA recently by a well-meaning friend after having a really difficult summer of realpses. I know instinctively how destructive it is to me; how nothing feels right, and yet- I still went back out of desperation and fear.
The condescention and pity from many now that I'm labelled a "chronic realpser" is soul-destroying. I, and anyone struggling with SUD deserve so much better than a sanctimonious cult which demands we surrender to a life of servitude and self-debasement. There is nothing for me there, but their messge is insidious and I am struggling to de-program.
My advice to anyone is to create a life worth living outside of "the rooms". Volunteering, self-care, hobbies, therapy and Aa alternatives such as SMART & Lifering- ANYTHING that helps you move towards living for you and boosting your self-worth.
Thanks again for reminding me there is hope without Aa "garbage" , Victor.
Oh god, I understand. I was labeled a "chronic relapser" and it is a whole new level of shit treatment from those fucking assholes.
I second this mate, been in the exact same position as yourself time & time again. I credit finding a passion in fishing again as a major factor in me changing my life.
Great advice and good luck deprogramming. I’m out over a year but I struggle.
I’m being open I don’t have any friends. Just drug associates or ex recovery associates. I’ve went back in the past due to the feeling of believing I was alone in this world.
Nothing more lonely than being in a room full of people who are praying upon your downfall.
@Garvey94, thanks for replying. Fishing sounds like a great way to unwind and actually heal yourself.
Like you said, the rooms are incredibly toxic, but the "Program" has a way of making you feel dependant and doomed without it.
I hope that your situation improves, and you make some true friends soon. You deserve it.
I love you, you have saved me from years of being abused by aa bs,😊❤
I honestly feel about the trauma from AA!. They really opened me up to be abused and wasted a decade of my life
Thanks so much for clarifying about the thunder because I would have thought it was AA god calling down to punish me with an alcoholic death for leaving bill Wilson’s cult
Good one!
😄😄😄
18 years and going strong no 12-step. Evidently I'm the Enigma. Went to AA when I was court ordered and afterwards I was done never worked a single step never had a sponsor
AA is merely watered-down Christian Evangelicalism, with some extraneous bits thrown in, merely as window dressing filler. Think of it more as just an adult Sunday school for lower class types, with a focus upon temperance, but with no mention of Christ. As a pragmatic agnostic, I require no theistic philosophy, with which to guide my ethics. Religion's real use was as a means of controlling the masses, by instilling in them a fear of God's wrath, if they stepped out of line. Whether deities did indeed, exist, was of secondary moment, as the mere belief in them, in maintaining order, was what mattered. A pragmatic agnostic claims no knowledge of whether deities exist, or not (or that such knowledge, either way, is ever possible), and that even if they did, they would appear to be indifferent to human welfare, so as such, should be considered irrelevant and ignored.
Victor, I'm sure you've seen an interview with Charles Manson. There was some parole board hearing years ago, and this woman on the board was asking Manson questions. She asked him about his prison activities, and the fact that attended AA in prison. At some point, he stopped going, and she inquired why. This isn't word for word, but Manson said something like, "Everyone of those people in those meeting are messed up! I didn't they did me any good, but I just wanted to get out of my cell. I'd rather stay in my cell than go to one of those meetings ever again.".
Say what you will about Manson, he was onto AA. Funny thing, he was saner than a lot of those people in the roomz.
It is almost terrifying to realize that even someone as insane as Manson, could see through their bullshit. And you know its bad, if you would rather sit in a cell than actually have the freedom of movement.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 Victor, you ever met one of those ex-cons gurus, who in many cases are un-medicated and mentally ill? I knew one that had a "ministry" that catered to AA members. He heard voices, and were sure they were "Of God". When one looks back at what we all tolerated in "The Roomz", it's actually kind of terrifying.
Yes, victim blaming addicts who haven't been violent criminals is absolutely embedded in the fabric of our overly Calvinist influenced society. AA has only reinforced it. And the violent criminals often end up as useless or manipulative gurus or the sickest but most popular members of the tribe in Step groups. All the double binds in religious practice can make people more prone to being even more twisted.
I hate to tell you brother....you should have tried na for a while....it will do you right....set you free.....NOT....left the other cult over a year ago...still not using....i got around 5 years or so...3 years going to na meetings...anoying place...phony old timers grandstanding and 13th stepping. You know....the usual horrible behaviors...love the videos victor...you are saving more lives with one video as opposed to a century of aa and na meetings...for real!!!!
@michaelkern-Victor has referenced The Sopranos, when Chris started going to AA Meetings. There was a throwaway line Chris used. He was talking to someone in AA and said something like, "Screw NA! It's full of white trash and losers.". When I was attending AA, I primarily went to a men's meeting that accepted drug addicts. So many of the guys that attended, had uttered similar sentiments as Chris from The Sopranos. Did you find this to be the case?
Na is more passive agressive...but when the fish stinks it stinks from the head down...most of the old timers...aka old slimers...frown upon aa...they have too much competition to be the center of attention at aa...so they only like na better so they can talk the whole meeting without any competition competition
I broke my phone and lost my AA connections best thing to happen 😂
I went to a meeting after deprogramming from the cult. What a bunch of idiots. Nothing made sense to me. I can’t believe I listened to this bullshit for 22years. Keep up the work. I love your work 😊
I got a great idea for a video, a tutorial on how to break down the big books bullshit
Right, "you drink because you are an alcoholic." Why you got drunk when you were trying to not drink doesn't matter at all. Its like the dark ages with these people.
Yep
Just like they will tell you, "YOU CHOSE TO DRINK!" if you relapse, but then will sit in meetings and say, "The alcoholic has lost the power of choice"
@quackaholicsanonymous7210 I also heard in a meeting that we create our own drama because subconsciously we want to drink over it.
@@BlueButterfly-mw8ld I just love the way they tell everyone what they are REALLY thinking, and what they REALLY want.
It is almost like, "You can't possibly think like this because it will screw up my narrative, you have to think just like this, so I can continue in my delusions"
@quackaholicsanonymous7210 if that isn't the perfect example of thought (mind) control, I don't know what is.
Victor we’ve just a really a good thing happen in my country that I’ve just found out about.
In Scotland it’s difficult to get processed as an addict through the court system they don’t just throw anyone to rehab. So there’s this law that’s been brought in now where rehabs that had return clients. Basically cash cows, can no longer claim to be trying to help people when they’re returning for their 8th/13th stay.
Judges are now being given powers to push for alternative rehabs etc and look for other options. Sounds like the community based rehabs are being held to task/accountability which sounds good. Here’s hoping it may start opening judges eyes to the whole recovery industry and realising that it’s screwed.
Great news indeed. I hope more countries follow suit.
@@quackaholicsanonymous7210 only reason I found out was I was at court the other day. There’s this guy who has a season ticket for a rehab he’s basically stayed there since it opened. He thought he’d get away with it again because he was in and the judge told him his days of hiding in that rehab are done. I’ve been in that one 3 times over the space of 5 years and he’s been in every single time.
I broke away from AA, but had to leave my family too. The AA lawyer took my inheritance
read my book
What? You wrote a book on it?
I pretty much had to cut ties with everyone as well.
AA is the worst of communities. If you can call it a community. You’d be better served by going through things that are actually evidence based
I really want to do your show. I watch it all the time and it inspired a lot of my book. All you anti-aa TH-camrs did. But what's cool about you is that you somehow avoided the cirque that seemed just like AA people because they were
I would love to, if I figure out schedules and also how to do it from a cellphone. I'll definitely look up the book.
Have you considered ripping the audio from your videos and uploading them as a podcast? Would be convenient for your audience and also might get you more listeners
I actually did not know that was something that could be done. Maybe when I get time :)
The idea that you have to say everyday "hi im (....) and im an alcoholic." This is just reinforcing the myth that you have a disease. Alcohol use disorder AUD is NOT a disease. Find other ways, get a therapist or life coach. Great video. Thanks
Totally agree, telling yourself that you are ALWAYS going to be sick, for the rest of your life, you can not graduate, you can not get better, is probably very damaging for most people that are not part of the hierarchy of gurus that get high off of bullying people.
I left since some members started to contact me out of the room or asking me favours. All my catharsis at the meetings were specially concerning pressure from family, work and specially the members who told: "what a good speech you did" were the first asking for something. Passage with car, or "can I call you? (Because can' stand londliness and always need that injection of dopamine given by bla-bla-bla all time", take a day off for one of them for a hospital check. But he could walk and take a train as I did when couldn t drive.....and instead of telling : "don' t bother me, don' t put yourself between me and my recovery" , I shut up, walked away and block their numbers
Thank you! Christianity guarantees a slave mind set: AA exists to support that same exact mindset. Good on you for calling it out. 🙏🏻
Indeed. AA God /Higher Power is a disgusting bully, that wants you to bow and scrape doing steps all the days of your lives, and in return, it MIGHT give you one more day of sobriety, but if it does not, then it is all the person's fault for not bowing, scraping, begging and doing 12 steps hard enough. What an asshole God they follow. Then they have the nerve to sit in meetings and say, "Some have to die so that others can live" and "By the grace of God" when other people suffer. It is so vile beyond words.
Only a few members were cool one was a childhood friend i gave him more leeway just because of that but he was totally in the big book cult
Are you gonna read my book, Have You Taken Your Meds? the story of my life. 20 or 30 years rotting in the cult. reply with email
You have to put you email cryptically it YT will delete it. Tell how to find
I have got it bookmarked.
I love your accent, which part of usa is it from?
Btw i went to 1 meeting and never went back 😅
New Jersey.
I'm pretty sure Victor is from Queens or Brooklyn? Definitely one of the boroughs - but NOT Manhattan, I don't think. LOL. Love the guy.
@@susanwebstermoore2548 Lots of family from Brooklyn. Spent a lot of my childhood in Hoboken New Jersey.
I just love the accent, it reminds me of old American cartoons from the 40s 😁 Im English btw but would love to visit an American city one day.
Ugh just love your videos. It’s been over a year since I left and your words got me through the many times when that AA programming of “I’m gonna drink if I don’t show up” crept up. Ty for showing us that true freedom is possible. This is service 🫡
A good idea might be to have people who should quit drinking have to attend some AA meetings. The purpose being, that they may quit, just out of fear that they could become like all those idiots in those meetings. I knew a few guys in which that was the case. I could see the logic of it, though I'm sure it wouldn't get AA's endorsement, ha, ha!