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Yeah! The only thing that would make it better would be if the runner told the hunters whenever they collect any ability, so the runners spend less time blindly running around looking for them. It's still fair because the hunters would have trouble getting to the runner's location before the runner leaves
@@jacobkerner2593 he only tells them when he gets movement abilities like claw or dash so they can unlock them at the same time Not stuff like dreamnail, tram pass, shade soul, etc. I think it'd be much better if he started telling them each time he got an ability or ability upgrade, to make up for the fact that the hunters don't have lifelines anymore and can't fast travel, making it crazy hard to find him. Revealing when he gets an ability tells them where on the map he is, giving them an idea of where he may be going next, but it isn't too good for the hunters bc it will take them time to get over there and he'll be gone by the time they arrive. It just seemed like the hunters deserved a bit more info.
@@azeTrom17but then theres nothing the ginger can do to try and be sneaky about things at least not for long periods. One of my favourite manhunts is the one where the hunters were all guarding a dreamer he had already gotten and he just typed done and they assumed he had one to two dreamers remaining still
I really like the healing restriction. I think benches were a little overpowered in past iterations. More resourcefullness is required now that benches don't heal everything.
Yeah, this is great, but the lack of time limit, while on its own great, makes it possible to just infinitely stall and get all the upgrades in the game. I feel like hunters should be able to fight bosses for some of the charms, that way they have another goal while waiting for the speedrunner to show themselves (so they are not so bored), while also providing much more natural "time limit" in the sense, that if speedrunner takes their time, the hunters are gonna grow stronger
@@matissimoj1190 another fun iteration of this would be hunters _also_ starting on new save files, and they can grow on the same time as the hunter. sure, the speedrunner could stall for upgrades, but if they let the hunter get too strong as well, it'll, as you say, act as a more natural time limit, as dealing with players having equipment just as strong as you is bound to make completing a boss or two impossible EDIT: making the Hunters have maxed out nail would be ideal though, as to actually give them an edge, make them have more of an edge against the speedrunner and make it all fair
@@Brainth_1780 yeah, I believe that some charms should be banned for hunters, like for example the spore shroom. If they all got the spore shroom, they would just heal in the hollow knight fight, killing the speedrunner.
@@fireb0rn honestly I'm curious what else ur gonna do now u start 2 v 1 almost no real restrictions to this what's next steel soul 1v6 with a like 3h time limit
I like this version a lot. No time limit but with steel soul means being able to do a lot more different things for your loadout that you wouldn't otherwise go for because of the time limit.
Means speedrunner can punish all of the hunters just camping one dreamer/thk too. unfortunately it means late game speedrunner can just farm upgrades (fireborn couldve just gone for 112% while the hunters struggle to do anything about it) so i think itd be really interesting if hunters were more easily able to track speedrunner down esp. in the late game
Watching this, I realized that, as far as I can recall, I've never actually seen Gruz Mother being fought _after_ triggering Infected Crossroads. Imagine if the game accounted for that, and turned her into a tougher, infected version like all the regular enemies 👀
@@manchick7648ive never actually beaten her on radiant ive done the mantis lord even grimm but for some reason my brain just doesnt work with that boss
@@Blaze-xe8cl I agree, I had a lot of trouble beating her on radiant, mostly because of the spikes. Not even close to Pure Vessel or NKG, but still around the level of some dream warriors I'd say
@@Blaze-xe8clsame, they problaby intended to make it equally difficult to other bosses, but adding platforms in the gruz mother fight and literaly *adding a second vengefly king* , made those bosses really difficult
love to see the speed runner vs hunters come back!! just wanted you to be aware that better help has pretty much no certification requirements to be a therapist with them. many people have come out about unhelpful, counterproductive, and traumatic experiences with them. i really don’t wanna come of like i’m criticizing or anything just wanted to spread awareness cuz a lot of people don’t know.
Yeah, i was so pumped to see this video, but disappointed in the sponsor. I hope fire doesn’t work with them in the future bc i like his content, but betterhelp is super shady :(
This series just keeps getting better. The stag ban makes the game MUCH more balanced for both parties. I would like to see you try a hybrid without SS and with a timer, just to see what it is like (mby not for upload). Keep it up!
That was such a fun run! I really like this twist on things, I always felt like the timer made the end game very similar every time. With no timer you get to be a lot more creative, but the stakes are higher because of steel soul.
Best way to handle it with steelsoul, it even feels like you could become invisible to them if you route in a certain way, and I love that concept in a manhunt, especially with balancing it with healing and transport restrictions
Would be cool if hunters were able to place traps. Just to notify them if runner gets through. Because every run Fire jukes hunters in early game and then its gg :) Might also be interesting to see true ending version. Not sure how much harder for Fire it will be tho. Anyway, cool variation! Rules getting better and better every time :)
I liked the changes, and having no time limit allows you to be more creative with your choices. However, I feel like after getting claw you have so many options of where to go and since the hunters don't know where you are, you could be getting extermely powerful upgrades while they are forces to guard the dreamers. I think that re-adding life lines is a good idea, maybe instead of doing it one per hunter you can have it so they can use it once every 15 minutes so they don't run out. Also, this might be a bit out there but I think it could be an interesting idea to allow hunters to get certain upgrades in order to give them more things to do than aimlessly search for you or wait for you at a ceration point. This will also ensure that you can't get to powerful that the hunters have no chance in defeating you
@@nekotorin I wonder if it would be possible to make a mod that automatically notifies the hunters of certain things, but on a 60-second delay. Like you pick up Dream Nail, and the hunters get told about it 1 minute later. That way the runner doesn't have to manually stop and tell them + they have a grace period to get away from the location, but you could increase the number of things the hunters are told.
radiance with hunters would be awful but it would be interesting to see more of the map be explored than just the rooms necessary to beat the game and it would open up options later on more
I really liked not having a timer. I do wonder if replacing the timer with hunters getting upgrades after X amount of time has passed makes sense. So the longer it takes, the more powerful they get too. Loved getting to watch this!
I really like the change to the rules. One of my favorite manhunts! I will say I still like a timer, probably a pretty long generous one, just to make sure the runner can’t just outscale. I feel like there was a point in the mid game where fire could’ve just gone for many notches and a better setup. In the lategame the runner outscales in an unfun way with no timer, and as the runner it might suck to choose between the winning play and the fun play.
As a follow up, I actually kind of like the minecraft manhunt style where hunters can either 1)gear up or 2)go after the runner. So maybe no timer, but nerf the hunters early game but let them gear up as well? Also means they have to get dash, claw, wings, etc. but they have to choose between rushing those or hunting the runner. Might want less hunters to balance this a bit more.
Maybe a timer could start after so many upgrades? Like, if you only get things that are strictly necessary for a run (claw, dreamers, that kind of thing), you get no timer, but after so many 'extra' upgrades (up to a certain amount first. Just getting wings or an extra mask only shouldn't punish u), a timer starts?
I just want to say how much I love this batch of hunters! Especially whoever played as little Hornet-- "Oh, he's here!" after Fire hits him XD The vibes were great and I hope you play with them again soon!
This was so cool and I am BEGGING you to get another one of these out this month. We finally get to see you incorporating more of the items you can come across in the game with this time limitless challenge! I'd love to see you use more relics and nail arts here, and it was really just awesome seeing you switch things up to THIS degree. The HP total you had was INSANE fire
Your background music choice is absolutely phenomenal! Always the perfect track for every moment, notably the Sonic 06 tracks are all so brilliantly chosen per situation!
I really like this format! It feels much more faithful to what "speedrunner vs hunters" should be. I especially enjoyed the feeling of being a "final boss" where you become stronger than them and can finally 1v4 to win the final fight! It certainly needs some balancing, but it has so much potential!
Ooo this might be my favorite iteration of speedrunner vs. hunters yet! No timer means that the hunters have to be more aggressive with their plays, but the lack of fast travel means that they really have to make those plays count! It makes it so their goal isn’t just to slow you down until the timer runs out, but to actually kill your before you kill them, because a death for the hunter is SO detrimental. Plus, having the hunted play on steel soul automatically adds a lot of stakes and tension. Great video!
Loved how you keep tweaking the ruleset to try out interesting things! One thing I haven't seen suggested, would it be reasonable to move the hunter respawn to Dirtmouth now that hunters don't have fast travel? Might be OP for HK, but it seems that hunter respawns are now incredibly punishing. (Note: this would have to take effect after the hunters make it to Dirtmouth for the first time)
Great video as always. This gives me an idea of some sort of battle royale, a race where everyone tries to get true ending while messing with each other, and the winner is whoever beats radiance first.
This video is what got me into hollow knight, I used to think it wasn’t something I would like, now I have 108% and it’s the most detailed and amazing game I have ever played, seriously thanks man.
I really like the challenge that comes with this new game mode! It's a big change from the other speedrunner vs. hunters. I wonder what would happen with five hunters...
This was fun!! I think the decisions made for rebalancing were absolutely correct, a new hint system does seem like a smart idea though. It's good that you CAN lose them, but it's less great that they spend such large swaths of time staying lost. It was very funny to hear them theorizing "he's probably at xyz spot" while you were standing in xyz spot, though XD
I love these Vs Hunter vids. The silent commentary showing what your thought process is overlayed on top of everyone else's thoughts on what might be doing next is great too.
Lost how this challenge is basically just, "Hey you know all those handicaps in place to make it this fair for the speedrunner against 4 other people?" "Yeah?" "Get rid of em."
these videos with speedrunner subtitles are so fantastic because im always curious what youre up to and usually not really sure unless you write it up like that. i know it takes a lot of work but its just great to watchd
You're too honorable, letting them see you after you juke em in the transition phases. My cheeks hurt from all the laughing/smiling I did ♥ The way I snorted my drink when Tw1nk said you were in Black Egg area...but not going in and they all had a rollercoaster of emotions lmao
The usage of spore shroom ask a sort of “trap” to set so the hunters couldn’t directly attack you right after healing was something I didn’t think of before
13:24 You think this scares me? Sisters of Battle is my favorite boss fight. ~Fire, probably Also Fire‘s route is so radically different from all other Speedrunner vs Hunters and I love it so much. You really can’t anticipate his next move. This is so much more tense
This was definitely one of my favorite man hunts so far. What's nice about this format is you are able to try a variety of routes allowing for much more strategy on both sides. It slso means you can up the power of hunters with less repercussions when trying to find the right balance since you don't have the time restrictions barring you from good builds. I'd say spore shroom is a little good in general, but I don't think it's too good. Can't wait to see what route you have next.
Ah, the newest episode of my favorite series! The new rules are great. It really showcased how vast Hallownest is and how many routes you could take to get places.
I think a good balancing act with no fast travel is to have like 3-4 set spawn locations across the map that the hunters can choose to respawn in instead of just King's Pass, like a random bench in each quadrant of the map
An interesting idea i had (i have 0 idea on if this can even be implemented) is the runner can freely use stags, BUT any stag useage is announed to the hunters then the hunters can use that stag as much as they want, but only that stag, and the next time a runner uses a different stag now that stag is the one hunters can use. example is runner uses greenpath stag back to crossroads, now the hunters know that and can freely use any stag to get to crossroads stag at any time but only TO crossroads, until the runner uses another stag to get to kings station, now the hunters lose corssroads stag but gain kings station.
This is the first time i such a video, and im in love with the concept, adding new challenges to hk speedruns, also having others in there and hearing them wonder where you are, i love it ^^
Really think you should do something like a boss target speedrun before going after HK. Would get some nice variety in strategy if you had to reach bosses like Hive Knight and Fluke.
I like this version immensely more than the old ruleset (which is saying something because I love those vids too). I agree with most of the other comments here: no stags makes the maneuvering and pathing so much more fun to watch, the steel soul rule makes the fights seem more tense and makes getting a good build more important, the lack of time limit allows for more creative and roundabout strategies, and it seemed like the hunters were playing more cautiously as well because of how much of a setback the respawn distance is. I think upgrading the hunter's nails is definitely a good idea for next time though, I imagine those enemies were getting very annoying.
The fact that while Fire was at Herrah all hunters pretty much understood that he might be there but decided "Nah, fuck the Deepnest" and just sat at watchers anyway is hilarious
Fire's voice is so gentle and relaxing, I just put on the multiplayer playlist to play in the background while doing my college work and it is bliss xD
early tram was absolutely insane, I didn't even realize that was a path you could take to get to city, and clearly the hunters did not expect it either. Out of Curiosity, what were the reactions of the hunters once they watched your pov and realized you got tram?
My first playthrough that was the only way I could figure out how to get into city lol, it's so cool how they have so many ways to get almost everywhere
This new format is golden, the time limit never was a thing I liked for it restrict a lot on what you could do before having to rush to HK. Cutting the benches also made things more nail biting.
Watching this in reverse order, and I'm glad you stopped worrying about losing the hunters in loading transitions. Juking them out is part of the fun >:)
I LOVE when you do these videos. They are the best kind of content to watch you do! That said, if you had the time, which there was no issue. Why not power up with more nail upgrades, you were close to Pale Ore a few times, or even nail strikes. Knowing they would not abandon the Black egg, you could have geared up alot to make it harder for them
"I have officially overcome my Speedrunner vs. Hunters Uumuu trauma." Nah I *cackled* 'Cause I was literally thinking of that one fight while watching that.
After all Dreamers are completed, it sort of forces Hunters to sit and wait at Black Egg while fire can go do anything else. Maybe give Hunters stag stations after all Dreamers or allow them to set spawn at Black Egg. Otherwise I love the new format!
Love the new ruleset, though I miss having a timer of some sort visible on the screen. Could you just have a normal livesplit timer on future runs? It does help appreciate how much time passes between events :3 My concept for taking this further: start with only one hunter, but an extra hunter joins in every five minutes. logistically nearly impossible, but it sounds fun at least lol
I find it absolutely hilarious how by intentionally showing your position to the hunters when you lose them in a loading screen you actually made them think you were doing the exact opposite, while _not_ doing that would probably just leave them clueless. The irony is palpable
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I posted a long and detailed comment about all the allegations against the sponsor about an hour and a half ago here in the replies, and it was deleted. Don't know if this is a sponsorship requirement or anything (no hard feelings), but keep that in mind
@@paulinet68 I did as well and the same is true
I love the fact there's no fasttravel, makes manouvering and dodging so much more fun to watch
Yeah! The only thing that would make it better would be if the runner told the hunters whenever they collect any ability, so the runners spend less time blindly running around looking for them. It's still fair because the hunters would have trouble getting to the runner's location before the runner leaves
@@azeTrom17 but he does tell them when he gets abilities?
I like the honor rule for loading zone shenanigans too, though also funny seeing fire accidentally losing hunters that way
@@jacobkerner2593 he only tells them when he gets movement abilities like claw or dash so they can unlock them at the same time
Not stuff like dreamnail, tram pass, shade soul, etc.
I think it'd be much better if he started telling them each time he got an ability or ability upgrade, to make up for the fact that the hunters don't have lifelines anymore and can't fast travel, making it crazy hard to find him. Revealing when he gets an ability tells them where on the map he is, giving them an idea of where he may be going next, but it isn't too good for the hunters bc it will take them time to get over there and he'll be gone by the time they arrive.
It just seemed like the hunters deserved a bit more info.
@@azeTrom17but then theres nothing the ginger can do to try and be sneaky about things at least not for long periods. One of my favourite manhunts is the one where the hunters were all guarding a dreamer he had already gotten and he just typed done and they assumed he had one to two dreamers remaining still
That tram pass was the play, that really threw them off when you needed it.
I really like the healing restriction. I think benches were a little overpowered in past iterations. More resourcefullness is required now that benches don't heal everything.
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Yeah, this is great, but the lack of time limit, while on its own great, makes it possible to just infinitely stall and get all the upgrades in the game. I feel like hunters should be able to fight bosses for some of the charms, that way they have another goal while waiting for the speedrunner to show themselves (so they are not so bored), while also providing much more natural "time limit" in the sense, that if speedrunner takes their time, the hunters are gonna grow stronger
@@matissimoj1190 I like this idea! It'd have to be limited in some way, but the hunters having more "freedom" is a great concept
@@matissimoj1190 another fun iteration of this would be hunters _also_ starting on new save files, and they can grow on the same time as the hunter. sure, the speedrunner could stall for upgrades, but if they let the hunter get too strong as well, it'll, as you say, act as a more natural time limit, as dealing with players having equipment just as strong as you is bound to make completing a boss or two impossible
EDIT: making the Hunters have maxed out nail would be ideal though, as to actually give them an edge, make them have more of an edge against the speedrunner and make it all fair
@@Brainth_1780 yeah, I believe that some charms should be banned for hunters, like for example the spore shroom. If they all got the spore shroom, they would just heal in the hollow knight fight, killing the speedrunner.
I love how the hunters slowly decended into madness trying to find you
I absolutely LOVE this, it feels much more fun and more like what a manhunt should be.
Same!
This is a fantastic new format. Super tense and incredibly well played fire!
Agreed
thanks Blue!!
Who else wants to see true ending with hunters?
I don't know if the entirety of white palace is possible with several hunters swinging at you@@Adelyn-j5g
@@fireb0rn honestly I'm curious what else ur gonna do now u start 2 v 1 almost no real restrictions to this what's next steel soul 1v6 with a like 3h time limit
I like this version a lot. No time limit but with steel soul means being able to do a lot more different things for your loadout that you wouldn't otherwise go for because of the time limit.
Means speedrunner can punish all of the hunters just camping one dreamer/thk too. unfortunately it means late game speedrunner can just farm upgrades (fireborn couldve just gone for 112% while the hunters struggle to do anything about it) so i think itd be really interesting if hunters were more easily able to track speedrunner down esp. in the late game
Watching this, I realized that, as far as I can recall, I've never actually seen Gruz Mother being fought _after_ triggering Infected Crossroads.
Imagine if the game accounted for that, and turned her into a tougher, infected version like all the regular enemies 👀
I mean it's gruz mother even on radiant it's not hard
@@manchick7648ive never actually beaten her on radiant ive done the mantis lord even grimm but for some reason my brain just doesnt work with that boss
@@Blaze-xe8cl I agree, I had a lot of trouble beating her on radiant, mostly because of the spikes. Not even close to Pure Vessel or NKG, but still around the level of some dream warriors I'd say
maybe if the infection turned some of the floor into infection spikes like the ascended arena
@@Blaze-xe8clsame, they problaby intended to make it equally difficult to other bosses, but adding platforms in the gruz mother fight and literaly *adding a second vengefly king* , made those bosses really difficult
love to see the speed runner vs hunters come back!! just wanted you to be aware that better help has pretty much no certification requirements to be a therapist with them. many people have come out about unhelpful, counterproductive, and traumatic experiences with them. i really don’t wanna come of like i’m criticizing or anything just wanted to spread awareness cuz a lot of people don’t know.
Yeah, i was so pumped to see this video, but disappointed in the sponsor. I hope fire doesn’t work with them in the future bc i like his content, but betterhelp is super shady :(
seconding. goes to show even good youtubers don't really screen sponsors, just skip every time
Good info to know, wanting to help spread info of therapists is great though it sucks that the person who sponsored happened to be on the shady side
This series just keeps getting better. The stag ban makes the game MUCH more balanced for both parties. I would like to see you try a hybrid without SS and with a timer, just to see what it is like (mby not for upload). Keep it up!
That was such a fun run! I really like this twist on things, I always felt like the timer made the end game very similar every time. With no timer you get to be a lot more creative, but the stakes are higher because of steel soul.
yeah this way it ends with the first HK fight no matter what and the leadup to it isn't a bunch of other HK fights
Best way to handle it with steelsoul, it even feels like you could become invisible to them if you route in a certain way, and I love that concept in a manhunt, especially with balancing it with healing and transport restrictions
Would be cool if hunters were able to place traps. Just to notify them if runner gets through. Because every run Fire jukes hunters in early game and then its gg :) Might also be interesting to see true ending version. Not sure how much harder for Fire it will be tho.
Anyway, cool variation! Rules getting better and better every time :)
Can you imagine the white palace.
fire would defo do path of pain juke
@@dovahkiin53839 everyone getting knockbacked into sawblades...
Not possible
If you mean regular rad hed have to dreamnail and they just wouldnt let him
I love how he when he accidentally jukes them he reveals his position, absolute gigachad move.
I liked the changes, and having no time limit allows you to be more creative with your choices. However, I feel like after getting claw you have so many options of where to go and since the hunters don't know where you are, you could be getting extermely powerful upgrades while they are forces to guard the dreamers. I think that re-adding life lines is a good idea, maybe instead of doing it one per hunter you can have it so they can use it once every 15 minutes so they don't run out. Also, this might be a bit out there but I think it could be an interesting idea to allow hunters to get certain upgrades in order to give them more things to do than aimlessly search for you or wait for you at a ceration point. This will also ensure that you can't get to powerful that the hunters have no chance in defeating you
i love this new ruleset the only problem i feel like is that the hunters get no info and its really hard to stop objectives from happening
Yeah I feel like the hunters should get a notif if he beats a boss. That way they know his last known location.
@@nekotorin I wonder if it would be possible to make a mod that automatically notifies the hunters of certain things, but on a 60-second delay. Like you pick up Dream Nail, and the hunters get told about it 1 minute later. That way the runner doesn't have to manually stop and tell them + they have a grace period to get away from the location, but you could increase the number of things the hunters are told.
These new rules were so refreshing! It felt very close a lot of times, and the single life makes those tense moments even tenser!
You shouldnt have taken that better help bag, no one forget how they were a couple years ago
Another speedrunner vs hunter I can rewatch over and over
This is so boring
Seeing you get Monarch Wings really makes me want to see a true ending speedrun vs hunters
radiance with hunters would be awful but it would be interesting to see more of the map be explored than just the rooms necessary to beat the game and it would open up options later on more
I really liked not having a timer. I do wonder if replacing the timer with hunters getting upgrades after X amount of time has passed makes sense. So the longer it takes, the more powerful they get too. Loved getting to watch this!
i like this! it also fits thematically with the hunters having the goal of stalling out speedrunner
I really like the change to the rules. One of my favorite manhunts! I will say I still like a timer, probably a pretty long generous one, just to make sure the runner can’t just outscale. I feel like there was a point in the mid game where fire could’ve just gone for many notches and a better setup. In the lategame the runner outscales in an unfun way with no timer, and as the runner it might suck to choose between the winning play and the fun play.
As a follow up, I actually kind of like the minecraft manhunt style where hunters can either 1)gear up or 2)go after the runner. So maybe no timer, but nerf the hunters early game but let them gear up as well? Also means they have to get dash, claw, wings, etc. but they have to choose between rushing those or hunting the runner. Might want less hunters to balance this a bit more.
Maybe a timer could start after so many upgrades? Like, if you only get things that are strictly necessary for a run (claw, dreamers, that kind of thing), you get no timer, but after so many 'extra' upgrades (up to a certain amount first. Just getting wings or an extra mask only shouldn't punish u), a timer starts?
@@Raina111111you could use the percentage system to track this, making it more costly to get stuff like charms so you have to “ration” your %
Funny how I am rooting for Fire to win, except when I am hunting him
DUDE I knew this was coming eventually, so excited to watch
getting the tram pass that early was genius, threw them off big time no one could've guessed it lol, was absolutely terrified at Uumuu
Great game, fire! Had a ton of fun watching this, amazing vid as always! Really hope you do more of these in the future!
I just want to say how much I love this batch of hunters! Especially whoever played as little Hornet-- "Oh, he's here!" after Fire hits him XD The vibes were great and I hope you play with them again soon!
29:48 wow that was some fluent and clean wallcling storage!
The fact that he has unlimited time makes it actually 10x better as it gives him the opportunity to use such interesting strategies
My favorite parts were when someone would do an accurate callout to your destination and the others would always no. Great video as always
This was so cool and I am BEGGING you to get another one of these out this month. We finally get to see you incorporating more of the items you can come across in the game with this time limitless challenge! I'd love to see you use more relics and nail arts here, and it was really just awesome seeing you switch things up to THIS degree. The HP total you had was INSANE fire
Your background music choice is absolutely phenomenal! Always the perfect track for every moment, notably the Sonic 06 tracks are all so brilliantly chosen per situation!
I really like this format! It feels much more faithful to what "speedrunner vs hunters" should be. I especially enjoyed the feeling of being a "final boss" where you become stronger than them and can finally 1v4 to win the final fight! It certainly needs some balancing, but it has so much potential!
Ooo this might be my favorite iteration of speedrunner vs. hunters yet! No timer means that the hunters have to be more aggressive with their plays, but the lack of fast travel means that they really have to make those plays count! It makes it so their goal isn’t just to slow you down until the timer runs out, but to actually kill your before you kill them, because a death for the hunter is SO detrimental. Plus, having the hunted play on steel soul automatically adds a lot of stakes and tension.
Great video!
Loved how you keep tweaking the ruleset to try out interesting things! One thing I haven't seen suggested, would it be reasonable to move the hunter respawn to Dirtmouth now that hunters don't have fast travel? Might be OP for HK, but it seems that hunter respawns are now incredibly punishing. (Note: this would have to take effect after the hunters make it to Dirtmouth for the first time)
Literally the proof why people call fireborn "The God Gamer!!"
I feel like he calls himself that more than anyone else but your point still stands
yeah, it's self-proclaimed, but appropriate nonetheless.
Given how many times you got down to 1 hp and how many other close calls there were, this ruleset seems super balanced and super fun
I love the notes you make in the video that explains your thought process, best part of these manhunts!
Great video as always. This gives me an idea of some sort of battle royale, a race where everyone tries to get true ending while messing with each other, and the winner is whoever beats radiance first.
This video is what got me into hollow knight, I used to think it wasn’t something I would like, now I have 108% and it’s the most detailed and amazing game I have ever played, seriously thanks man.
I really like the challenge that comes with this new game mode! It's a big change from the other speedrunner vs. hunters. I wonder what would happen with five hunters...
the way kora (hunter with the hornet skin) was standing at the exact spot in black egg temple where hornet usually stands SDJKHFJDK ( 36:55 )
loving how tiso was just standing in dirtmouth watching them like- "wtf is going on??"
36:55 I respect the hornet model player for trying that. Illusion 100
This was fun!! I think the decisions made for rebalancing were absolutely correct, a new hint system does seem like a smart idea though. It's good that you CAN lose them, but it's less great that they spend such large swaths of time staying lost. It was very funny to hear them theorizing "he's probably at xyz spot" while you were standing in xyz spot, though XD
I love these Vs Hunter vids. The silent commentary showing what your thought process is overlayed on top of everyone else's thoughts on what might be doing next is great too.
Lost how this challenge is basically just, "Hey you know all those handicaps in place to make it this fair for the speedrunner against 4 other people?"
"Yeah?"
"Get rid of em."
these videos with speedrunner subtitles are so fantastic because im always curious what youre up to and usually not really sure unless you write it up like that. i know it takes a lot of work but its just great to watchd
You're too honorable, letting them see you after you juke em in the transition phases. My cheeks hurt from all the laughing/smiling I did ♥
The way I snorted my drink when Tw1nk said you were in Black Egg area...but not going in and they all had a rollercoaster of emotions lmao
I love hunters vs speedrunner in every game but in hollow knight man... THATS EVEN BETTER🎉
Having only one life makes this so much more intense and I'm all for it. Outstanding video as always fire!
What 1000 days no silksong does to a fan base:
The usage of spore shroom ask a sort of “trap” to set so the hunters couldn’t directly attack you right after healing was something I didn’t think of before
Bro really went for that "domain expansion" charm build...
13:24 You think this scares me? Sisters of Battle is my favorite boss fight. ~Fire, probably
Also Fire‘s route is so radically different from all other Speedrunner vs Hunters and I love it so much. You really can’t anticipate his next move. This is so much more tense
I'd love to see a manhunt with the room randomizer
This is one of the best videos that I've ever watched from your channel, I hope you continue this series
And just as I started liking hollow knight manhunts and was sad that you don’t post them anymore, YOU DID ONE!!!! THANK YOU SO MUCH
This was definitely one of my favorite man hunts so far. What's nice about this format is you are able to try a variety of routes allowing for much more strategy on both sides. It slso means you can up the power of hunters with less repercussions when trying to find the right balance since you don't have the time restrictions barring you from good builds. I'd say spore shroom is a little good in general, but I don't think it's too good. Can't wait to see what route you have next.
Ah, the newest episode of my favorite series!
The new rules are great. It really showcased how vast Hallownest is and how many routes you could take to get places.
Love this format!!!
Appreciate you continuing to rework this to see what works and what doesn't.
Taking out the time limit may be my favorite change.
I think a good balancing act with no fast travel is to have like 3-4 set spawn locations across the map that the hunters can choose to respawn in instead of just King's Pass, like a random bench in each quadrant of the map
I never thought this series could evolve so much, this feels so fresh and new, and forced to be more resourceful
An interesting idea i had (i have 0 idea on if this can even be implemented) is the runner can freely use stags, BUT any stag useage is announed to the hunters then the hunters can use that stag as much as they want, but only that stag, and the next time a runner uses a different stag now that stag is the one hunters can use. example is runner uses greenpath stag back to crossroads, now the hunters know that and can freely use any stag to get to crossroads stag at any time but only TO crossroads, until the runner uses another stag to get to kings station, now the hunters lose corssroads stag but gain kings station.
This is the first time i such a video, and im in love with the concept, adding new challenges to hk speedruns, also having others in there and hearing them wonder where you are, i love it ^^
Really think you should do something like a boss target speedrun before going after HK. Would get some nice variety in strategy if you had to reach bosses like Hive Knight and Fluke.
I like this version immensely more than the old ruleset (which is saying something because I love those vids too). I agree with most of the other comments here: no stags makes the maneuvering and pathing so much more fun to watch, the steel soul rule makes the fights seem more tense and makes getting a good build more important, the lack of time limit allows for more creative and roundabout strategies, and it seemed like the hunters were playing more cautiously as well because of how much of a setback the respawn distance is.
I think upgrading the hunter's nails is definitely a good idea for next time though, I imagine those enemies were getting very annoying.
The fact that while Fire was at Herrah all hunters pretty much understood that he might be there but decided "Nah, fuck the Deepnest" and just sat at watchers anyway is hilarious
Always love these speedrunner vs hunters videos! One of my favorite "series" on youtube!
Fire's voice is so gentle and relaxing, I just put on the multiplayer playlist to play in the background while doing my college work and it is bliss xD
"all men can see whereby I conquer, but what none can see, is the strategy out of which victory is evolved"
-fireb0rn 2023
early tram was absolutely insane, I didn't even realize that was a path you could take to get to city, and clearly the hunters did not expect it either. Out of Curiosity, what were the reactions of the hunters once they watched your pov and realized you got tram?
My first playthrough that was the only way I could figure out how to get into city lol, it's so cool how they have so many ways to get almost everywhere
This new format is golden, the time limit never was a thing I liked for it restrict a lot on what you could do before having to rush to HK. Cutting the benches also made things more nail biting.
Thank you, Fireborn, for jumpscaring me with 999 music. Gave me nam flashbacks.
Watching this in reverse order, and I'm glad you stopped worrying about losing the hunters in loading transitions. Juking them out is part of the fun >:)
I LOVE when you do these videos. They are the best kind of content to watch you do! That said, if you had the time, which there was no issue. Why not power up with more nail upgrades, you were close to Pale Ore a few times, or even nail strikes. Knowing they would not abandon the Black egg, you could have geared up alot to make it harder for them
Congrats dude! That's impressive!
Definitely the best iteration of the Runner Vs Hunters!
Thank you for explaining why you grabbed dream shield, I was worried you might actually use it
29:27 that was the sickest evade/movement wow
LOLLL I legit burst out laughing at the "pause > phone call > what ability is that" sequence, bless
This was a super fun version of Speedrunners vs Hunters! :D
i've just watched every speedrunner vs hunter and i honestly think this is my favourite version of the rulesets, it's v fun to watch :D
"I have officially overcome my Speedrunner vs. Hunters Uumuu trauma."
Nah I *cackled* 'Cause I was literally thinking of that one fight while watching that.
16:44 gods???? do we have a demigod on our hands
That was really fun to watch !
Also I would have never expected to hear some 999 music here, it made my day
Same, it caught me slightly off guard
I don’t think anyone else has the balls to superdash through deepnest, EVER
that is by far one of the most fun speedruns I've seen so far
I was JUST thinking I wanted another one of these!
Good work!
Man, they really upgraded the Watcher Knights to have 3 extra Knights, huh.
OMGG SxH on Steel Soul!?!?! I am on the edge of my damn seat!!! Great video, as always!!
32:20 that was close
After all Dreamers are completed, it sort of forces Hunters to sit and wait at Black Egg while fire can go do anything else. Maybe give Hunters stag stations after all Dreamers or allow them to set spawn at Black Egg. Otherwise I love the new format!
Love how there was that one guy that was like “dreamgate wouldn’t be fair” it’s literally a 4v1
Love the new ruleset, though I miss having a timer of some sort visible on the screen. Could you just have a normal livesplit timer on future runs? It does help appreciate how much time passes between events :3
My concept for taking this further: start with only one hunter, but an extra hunter joins in every five minutes. logistically nearly impossible, but it sounds fun at least lol
uumuu with 12 hunters…
"phone call"
"What ability is that?"
Had me ☠️
I'm so happy to see this, it's been a bit but this is literally my favorite series on TH-cam!!!! GGs and I can't wait to see new ones!!!!!!!!
another banger!!! love the speedrunner vs hunter videos :D
I find it absolutely hilarious how by intentionally showing your position to the hunters when you lose them in a loading screen you actually made them think you were doing the exact opposite, while _not_ doing that would probably just leave them clueless.
The irony is palpable