In the first episode of Season 3, during the opening montage, as the camera slowly pans past the federation console, there is a golden tree woven from wire right next to it. That tree was created by my uncle, Kenneth Dean Phillips. Uncle Ken died from cancer a few months before the show aired, but I would like to think he would be proud to see it there.
@@Kiido11 In fact, he wasn't. He lived on a small farm in Arkansas and started making them as a hobby. He was always a business minded person. He worked for a few fortune 500s before retiring to the farm several years ago. He sold his trees on Etsy, and I guess someone at CBS saw them. He was approached by someone a year or two ago to buy one for a TV production. He and the rest of the family though it was pretty cool, but we didn't know what show it was for. It was quite a surprise to see it there, and it gave us all a nice warm remembrance of Ken. He passed away back in November.
Excellent summation of current state of things, for me that started when Nimoy told me in 2009 to forget about all that stuff in my house I bought and read and watched over the decades which was why Leonard was hawking a newer version. And what's worse? It never had to be like this.
I mean I think its ultimately too little too late. However the fact that they reached out to Drinker with an early screening speaks volumes. Did they fire the previous show runners and get new people? I was under the impression that this segment of the fandom was seen as villainous and everything that is wrong with society by the people making these shows.
All but one guy left to do different shows, one of which was Star Trek Strange New Worlds. The guy that remained was left with the creative freedom to do this, hence the huge change in tone.
I mean It's been a good strategy to give these guys early access the season... feels a bit like an olive branch from the studio.. some people would say they are desperate.. but to quietly reach out to the fandom menace and say take a look at this, feels like a change in tone from the studio to just calling them toxic like it's been doing for the past 6 years... some might say too little too late. But if paramount has listened and is now willing to make star trek for star trek fans not twitter influencers.. this could be a small step in the right direction..
It's not about "saving" anything. It's more about sending the message to Hollywood on what is good writing and what is shite woke nonsense. And contrary to CD, I agree with Dave Cullen that these franchises need to be put out to pasture anyway and start coming up with new stuff.
@@dragons_red The thing is, normally movies and TV shows should end with "happily ever after" (unless it's a drama, then it should end with "it is what it is" or "and then they all died"). But with sci-fi, you can always write a new captain, you can always make up a new ship, you can always add more planets, you can always come up with new stuff beyond the galaxy and worse case scenario you can give the old team kids and they're in the forefront now. Sci-fi shows get sequel'd and will continue to get sequel'd because deep down we want another Star Wars, we want another Star Trek, we want a new Doctor and we want another superhero thing (because at the end of the day it's sci-fi as well). So while I agree that all these things should just end and we should be happy that it happened, there will always be that part of humanity in us that asks "and what happened then?".
@@mac1991seth I agree with you That's what sci-fi is meant to be. They don't have the constrain of the real world, it doesn't need to be realistic, only to be believable in the world they happen to be and things can always be turned around and with the right people involved it's definitely feasible. At the only condition that the studios won't interfere too much. (English isn't my language)
Except Gary was wrong, as Star Wars has had a number of diamonds in the past . I don't believe he watched any of the 8-9 years worth of animated series, nor has he read any SW books , making his knowledge of SW = that of the average cinema goer . SW also had poor or very much middle of the road movies -- so it has a very different hit/miss ratio than one that Gary knows about . TNG has a very different hit/miss history , and Picard cannot be corrected any more than Luke can after the Rian Johnson character assassination .
All Star Wars has to do is lance off the boil that is the ST. Problem solved. Everything else in comparison is fine, even BoBF. Trek has a lot more work to do.
For me, the consistent problem with Star Trek movies and TV shows since 2009 is characters talking and behaving like contemporary humans. Despite all the positive points this problem still remains, and has been my number one sticking point with nu trek.
As a guy who was the target audience for 2009 Star Trek, a Star Wars fan, I will give it credit for inspiring me to check out the old stuff. But what I appreciate about the older stuff is how much of it is NOT like Star Wars, a point that Bad Robot missed as nu trek tried to copy Star Wars.
Most Star Trek fans find continuity incredibly important and the fact that seasons 1-2 are still part of the continuity is probably the biggest hurdle to overcome no matter how much of an improvement season 3 may be.
AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek. I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is.
I don't think I watched season 2. If I did, I don't remember it, but I watched the first episode of S3 and it looked like the same-old to me. Two doddering old men come up with the dumbest plan imaginable to hitchhike on a starship to a nebula. They are saved when an oppressed female officer takes drives the ship to their desired destination against orders and isn't immediately thrown into the brig.
Bad Robot put their best foot forward because their contract is about to expire. I truly believe if it gets renewed, Trek goes right back in the gutter.
I completely agree with that, you can't support them. Or they will get their contract extended and fu*k up ST for the next 20 years or so. They know 100% what they are doing.
@The Rotten💯 Exactly. This is what we call a catch-22. There's no guarantee that either choice will have the desired outcome. Personally, I choose to "let the past die," and pray the studios follow.
As a fun side note, my wife is a dramatic liberal, but also a deeply closeted conservative. I've started using the phrase "THE MESSAGE" in casual conversation, in much the same way that you do. And lo and behold, she has started using it unironically herself. Marriage really is better when trolling is there.
Being a progressive person myself, I despise “The Message” and everything surrounding it. The censorship of people who’s ideas conflict with your own and the idea that you can’t do something simply because it may offend some other person is insanity. Covid was a great example of this and showed how the push to follow the narrative was simply people wanting to control the lives of other, in the same way that people who push for abortion bans do
It's hard to not see the message at this point I feel like the weird socialists have got a megaphone on every kind of media and they're screaming into it constantly demanding people do whatever weird shit they think of today
Drinker I'm begging you please do one more Picard review at the end of this season. this has been the first Star Trek series I've been excited to sit down and watch every night since they started churning out new content. This was the reunion we'd been waiting for for decades.
I support this comment! This ending, left me with joy. It was an actual good story, and closure, but leaving open doors for another ST:Enterprise series! (Hopefully leaving the legends to rest.)
New Trek has kind of turned it around. I really enjoy "Strange New Worlds", "Lower Decks" is pretty entertaining, and Season 3 of Picard was excellent.
@The Cheap Normie as long as JarJar Abrams and Alex Kurtzman are still in charge -- which they are -- this show is dead and it does not matter how much lipstick they put on Star Trek's rotting carcass
Not really, because Picard is not TNG. Although I guess it could kind of be like Enterprise (I didn't see much of Enterprise, but I think it was vaguely like this kind-of sometimes)
I'm still wondering how Gary's got to see the entire season, just saw Red Letter Media & even they have only seen ep1. Saw Az joking that Gary's part of the main stream media now lol.
Unless everything from the rest of Kurtzman trek is retconned out of existence and Kurtzman is fired and humiliated then it doesn't matter how "good" this season is.
Exactly, the damage from the first two seasons is just too much for this to be worth a damn. Don't care about anything they do. Even if they improved everything, it is built on a foundation to total garbage.
Yeah I'm not touching anything from these people until I see some kind of apology. I'm not just going to forget about all the blatant attacks and all the stupid articles punching down at fans like they never happened.
@@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS Couldn't agree more. The damage is so deep and just unforgivable... There must be a monumental gesture of humility before I ever give these people my time ever again.
Glad to hear about the upgraded writing, but I'm going to wait until Kurtzman and Bad Robot are not associated with the franchise before returning to it.
4 episodes in and they’ve all been at least 8/10. This is likely the last outing for these characters and I’m pretty sure I know where it’s going to end up. It’s the Picard show I wanted. One last mission with the TNG crew to make up for the calamity that was Nemesis. The first two Picard series seemingly erased. They even dumped the intro and the music from that nightmare.
@JelloTR AMERICAN SHOWS say “seasons” not series because typically the show started September and ran until May (with no episodes during summer vacation). American shows are seasonal. So Picard had 3 seasons. TNG had 7 seasons. Et cetera. The term “series” refers to the whole show from start to finish.
If my son was supposed to grow up into a tall, masculine iconic traditional male figure... but instead all he did was get a pot belly and grow a beard to hide his weak chin I'd be pissed too and try again
Doomcock warned us against this. Don't be fooled into giving them you loyalty. I'll wait until they have a history of good seasons before I watch anything Star Trek
Here's the thing: Let's say this is good. What is preventing Kurtzman, Chabon, and Goldsman from using this as a pretense to come back and giving us more bad Trek? I know that the 5 year contract extension Kurtzman got last year was supposed to have his power removed, but if Shari Redstone was foolish enough to give him that extension in the first place, why should I think that she wouldn't give him his power back? Sorry, but unless unless Kurtzman is gone for good, there is no coming back.
Hollywood is a game of failing upwards. You have to fail really hard to even get sidelined and get your power striped with a face saving contact like this. There is usually no way back from that. So I'd say he's well and truly out. That being said, I'll be weary of any new star trek show for years to come.
@@4203105 But what's the point of renewing the contract while taking away direct power at the same time? It would have made far more sense to just let it expire and start off where DS9 or Voyager ended instead. Not only that, but even somebody who's had direct power taken away can still wield considerable influence. And Kurtzman's right hand man, Chabon can simply take power for himself as well and sideline Kurtzman too.
Someone said something that I completely agreed with. They called season 3 of Picard, season 8 of TNG and I never knew I needed to hear that until it was said.
TNG had stories... this was just a rehash for nostalgia feels and memberberries in the bleak NuTrek aesthetic. Don't agree with the "S8" at all. Even Stewart himself said you can't bring back iconic shows. Once you got past the nostalgia, the silliness of the story ark was just empty, it was about seeing faces again rather than an interesting storyline. Sorry, TNG would've never sunk to such a pathetic low.
Wil Wheaton was a really gifted young actor (see: Stand By Me). It wasn't his fault his character was written to be so corny. And he had some good episodes toward the end of his time on the show.
I disagree. Fat retired pizza chef showing up commanding the largest fleet in star trek history was the best part. In that I hadnt laughed that hard in years
Seven of Nine is straight. In Voyager Harry Kim puts subtle moves on Seven. It backfires spectacularly/hilariously when she asks if he's in love with her or only wants to "copulate"; she wants to copulate and commands: "Take off your clothes; don’t be alarmed I won’t hurt you". Harry freaks ending it (idiot). Seven later corners Harry, says "resistance is futile", pushes him to the wall kissing him. Seven and Chakotay fall in love; we see Seven as vulnerable, feminine, when she's in love with a man. Seven ends it upon learning in a likely future she dies and grief-stricken Chakotay kills himself. Even when Seven was fully part of the Borg Collective she was straight. Seven discovers in "Unimatrix Zero" she used to be able to visit Unimatrix Zero, which the Borg Queen could not control, and that she was in love with a man there, Axum, but was forced to forget him. Axum makes contact with Seven when she is on Voyager so she can help him and all those in Unimatrix Zero secretly resisting the Borg; the arc ends with Unimatrix Zero under attack meaning Seven will be separated from her love Axum again; Seven vows to do everything in her power to be reunited with Axum, her lover, who is a man. Seven is only gay now because Kurtzman and Goldman pushed an agenda and made her gay. It makes no sense, but why should that matter? (Do I really care if a character is Gay? No. I have no problem at all with Gay or Bi characters. I only care because what they did to Seven made no sense and because none of it was earned, meaning they messed-up one of Star Trek's most beloved characters. If any think this is just my thing, think again; Look at the interviews of Jeri Ryan where she talks about how she totally freaked out when she got the scripts for Picard S1 because nothing of the original Seven remained. Seven had become so unrecognizable that Ryan said she totally panicked because she had no idea how to even begin to play the retconned character).
This is the dialogue from the end of Unamatrix Zero, where despite Unamatrix Zero being destroyed Seven runs into her alcove to try to be with Axum even if it means her death. (Seven appears in Unamatrix Zero as it is almost entirely destroyed). AXUM: "You shouldn't be here." SEVEN: "Neither should you." (They hug.) SEVEN: "I've wasted our time together." AXUM: "No, you didn't. It gave us a chance to fall in love again." SEVEN: (Frantically): "We've lost our only way to be together!" AXUM: "No. I'll find you." SEVEN: (Voice trembling): "Axum!" AXUM: "I'll find you." (Axum disappears, then Seven wakes up, her eyes are damp). Remind you of anything? "This is true love... you think this happens every day?" "(We) are joined by the bond of love and you cannot track that, not with a thousand bloodhounds, and you cannot break it, not with a thousand swords." The Princess Bride. Did Kurtzman and Goldman not watch Voyager, and if they did, how could they possibly even pretend that Seven is gay?
That death of Seven of Nine, and Chakotay's subsequent heartbreak, only occur if the original mission continued on for several years. Future Janeway, however, in cooperation with Present Janeway, stopped that future. So, there was no reason for Chakotay and Seven not to get married. Turning Seven into a lesbian is just more in-your-face wokeness by the spawn of Satan who infest Hollywood, not the natural development of her character arc.
I was expecting to see Janeway, at least one cameo.😢😢 But I cried like a baby when VOYAGER showed up. So many memories. I can understand how fans are really Involved in the shows, I remember the VOYAGER crew as old friends , I really miss them.
It's not really one series at all, it's two completely different shows which happen to share the same platform and title, but other than that it's a new show.
I still maintain that it was most Spartan and best delivered, vicious comeback in history of TV. Watching rest of cast trying to keep straight face was awesome.
Picard and everything TNG is still being disrespected, but it's more subtle now. Like how the Galaxy class modelship doesn't sell because 'nobody wants the fat one", or captain Shaw being rude during the diner scene. Picard is made to look silly when he suggests to inform the engine room about traveling at warp 9.9, or when he doesn't know DS3 has been closed for a year.
@@pr-tj5by Defending nostalgia bait and memberberries is a bad look. Just sayin'. S3 was a joke, written for nostalgia feels with no future. Living on the fumes of good will from decades ago. Utter dreck.
If anything, all the praise I've seen this season get makes it a bit sad to think about how the entire show could have had this level of quality from the start.
Not necessarily. If Matalas had done 2 more seasons, the quality might not have held up. He got 1 season and he's packed all his best ideas into it, so let's just enjoy this for what it is - 10 new Star Trek episodes, the first in 20 years.
So we are expected to forget and forgive 15 years of abuse just because one show wasn't as abusive? Nope - my Star Trek is dead, and Nu-Trek wasn't made for me. This +50 year fan accepts that. I've buried my fandom. RIP Star Trek.
I would say this season is a fantastic work of taxidermi on a longtime rotted corpse. At first glance you could believe that it's almost alive, but at a closer inspection you can see the scars where the taxidermist had to sew the skin together again, if you touch it you feel the coldnese of the body and the artificial softness of the stuffing, and it's eyes had to be changed for crystal marbles. No matter how good of a job it is, a corpse is still a corpse, and while you can appreciate the job behind making it look as alive as possible, it's still dead.
@Wandering Waypoints Orville is like that student that takes what their Professor has taught them, and did what Einstein said after someone said he was better than Newton. They stood on someone else's shoulders, and saw further. New Trek mocks old Trek and punches them in the shoulder.
@@bassandtrebleclef Orville at best is a parody. A better one than Lower Decks but still a parody. When they think they can do serious instead of parody, it rather falls flat. If you know TOS there aren't really many original episode ideas in The Orville
shocking.. would never have expected this show to get any better also, I hate how the lighting is sooooo dark ... i loved how much light there was in TNG
Part of the Federation aesthetic is that everything is lit like an Apple advert. Even in DS9, where it is a bit less, Federation stuff is clean and well lit and looks all business. Changing that is stupid. It looks like they are on ships stolen from another speicies.
you know, when the Kelvin movies came out... my biggest gripe? Lack of carpets. Same with Discovery. I like my TNG-era carpets. And now I can add lighting to list. I've kinda gotten used to both now, but still
I agree. It's the nihilism that pervades modern America. It's everywhere. Do they have Fresh Market grocery stores where you live? I call it the shop in the dark grocery.
@@lostalone9320 It's an interesting dilemma. DS9 looks far, far better than any of the other Trek shows of that era precisely because the Cardassian stuff allowed for more cinematic lighting and shadow.
It's not a matter of having an open mind. It's a matter of having two things: the smallest modicum of pride, and also the knowledge that the more we patronize people who treated us like shit, the less support there is for other people who won't.
AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek. I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't congratulate a Marxist just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter. Too little, too late.
But shouldn't you also then acknowledge when they correct themselves and do something good? Otherwise, what's the point of course correcting if you still gonna get shit for the bad things you did? Then you just may keep pumping out shit I boycotted EA for half a decade. But when they released Titanfall 2, a good, finished game with no significant/forced micro transactions. I bought it to show: "okay. You did good this time. More of this, please!"
@@Wistbacka I think this is an important perspective. If we still care at all about the franchise, we should reward them when they do things the right way. I don't see it so much as a "battered spouse" situation but more as a misbehaving dog situation. The bad behavior has gotten so bad that a lot of us have just started withholding our attention (and money), but when they do good, we can say, "Good boy, you get a treat and some pets," and some views/money. Complaints won't mean much to them. But if they see that season 3 makes more money and gets more views than the first two and more than STD, then they might go, "Hey, maybe we can make more money if we do it this way." And that *might* change their behavior going forward.
People have become like battered wives. You get abused repeatedly by the shit show and then the moment the abuser shows you some kindness you think everything has changed. Until the people writing, directing, and producing the show have been totally replaced nothing will truly change.
It's an interesting dichotomy that we face, we can watch stuff that ultimately is bad and causes damage to the memory of things we've enjoyed, yet we still hope for things connected to those good memories, you made a very good analogy, and just like people abused, you can understand why they do it, even if in your own opinion it's crazy, and it is, people do crazy things for love, even if it's only a memory of that love...but I like me some lazers, so I'll maybe watch it if I can for free at a library or something, I'm not paying for propaganda if I can help it.
It has a second level. Other things that we wouldn't have considered attractive now become watchable purely on the lack of messaging. It's like swapping a violent husband for one who is a stoner slacker - "at least he doesn't hit me!". It's upped my viewing of Korean output ( I liked it before), they don't do woke shit.
I'm in the too little, too late crowd. I can't give them the viewing numbers on principal. They've had 14 years to make their material appealing to the majority of Star Trek fans. That should have been the starting point when they took over, not a desperate last roll of the dice move after failing to pull in the Game of Thrones crowd. It's still the dark, dreary, and contemporary spoken JarJar verse. Once that and Bad Re-boot are out, I'll consider new Star Trek material then.
I once met Jonathon Frakes. I'm the guy who asked him what it's like to "beam in". He laughs and tells people about my question to this day at comicons and autograph signings. He chews a phenomenal amount of gum.
@@basementbrotherscollectibles The whole time he was there he was chewing gum, and I see him doing the same thing in videos I watch of him at like Las Vegas conventions and such. It's compulsive, like a cigarette habit, only with gum. Watch for it when you meet him lol.
It’s too little too late. I love a good redemption story but the time for a second chance has long since passed for Star Trek. We as the CUSTOMERS are not obligated to support franchises and companies that have spat in our faces in the past. We can give credit where it’s due when they do right but don’t expect us to show up after a pattern of bad behavior.
Next generations started being interesting in the third season so it is not like we aren't used to it but it was the first time when in the first two seasons they assassinated us with wokeness and a bleak future.
This is so fucking juvenile. NuTrek has been awful, yes. And your position is that no matter how good, no matter how close it resembles good Trek, the franchise is dead. It's not EVER redeemable? Even if we reincarnated Roddenberry himself, it's best if we just let the franchise burn. Too little, too late after all. "We can give credit where it's due" and "don't expect us to show up after a pattern of bad behavior" are two statements that literally cannot both be true. You folks have been fighting the wokeness for so long you've become a mirror of the same evil, toxic thing you fight. You've completely lost sight of the big picture here. Your thought process ENSURES NuTrek continues and guarantees that good Trek will never be seen again. Personally, I think it's shameful to throw your hands up and quit like that.
@@elenabob4953 Stop making excuses for crappy TV. There’s a vast Grand Canyon difference between a good show that understands it’s identity by the third season and a shitshow that should have been canceled before then. Picard and Next Generation are not the same thing.
I hope after a year you had a chance to check out season 3 of Picard. To me, it is really season 8 of TNG. I had lost all hope, but damn if it wasn't great. It helps that the new show-runner cut his teeth working on Star Trek: Enterprise and was an actual fan of TNG.
@@StarshipYorktown Apathy has long since kicked in. And I stand by my statement. And considering Kurtzman is still there making garbage decisions and STD had its season finale with NO fanfare, I’d say Picard Season 3 isn’t really worth rewarding with a view.
Two season of insulting trash and one season is all it took for you to forgive them? Gonna take a lot more for me. Best I can give this series is I am willing to pirate it (something I didn’t even bother doing for season 1 or 2) and see if it’s worth tuning into whatever they make next.
I mean, he *literally* says that one good season does not make up for over a decade of utter shit. He just says that season 3 is a first step back towards Star Trek being not shit anymore.
@@drt1605 **Dr T Dr T 8 minutes ago @PTONPC ooh you're soooooo funny and original! Man who has published series of books and adopts funny persona to build YT profile gives views you don't like and you resort to ad hominem attacks...... Sheesh.... ** I'll explain it slowly for you. The Drinker has himself referred to drinking toilet duck in a humorous way. No one who is a functioning adult should think he means it seriously. This is a thing called 'Earth humour'. Specifically humour for a certain demographic of the Earth's population. Specifically Scottish people, (Do I need to get more specific for you?) The Scottish sense of humour can often considered a bit on the dark side. Thus I am referring to the 'toilet duck' meme. As in 'Someone get the toilet duck away from Drinker, he's over dosed.' Which, within the context of previous jokes made by him, commentators, and other people who understand the joke, will take it in the light hearted manner in which the comment was made. Now, you can either nod your head, pretend you too understood the joke or you can protest about me being a terrible person. Suits me either way, YT classes this as engagement with the video, thus making it more likely to promote it.
For me it’s too little too late but that’s true of most “entertainment” since around 2010. While I’ve watched portions of some “entertainment” I’ve rarely been able to endure a whole movie or episode of anything made since that year and we all know we had plenty of “spare time” three years ago. On the upside I’ve rediscovered a love of creating my own adventures in wilderness areas and that’s satisfying in a way I’ve never had from any other “entertainment”; and out there nobody really cares where you urinate as long as it’s not on the campfire they’re using so drink up.
Just finished this season now. And it was FANTASTIC! THIS is what we want! I had everything, good story, likable characters, excitement, fan service, etc. I managed to get goose bumps several times. And even some tears. Been a long time since a TV moved me so much. I hope they continue down this road.
Unless they are prepared to undo those other 2 seasons zero interest.... That's a major and serious stumbling block to me..... And therein lays the problem. Having suffered 100% shit since 2009 I've simply had enough... Too little way too late.... Also all the problems and issues are still there and glossed over... But they won't go away especially with what was done to Picard..... That was unforgivable......
I was almost done after Season 2; I couldn't believe what a drastic (and WELCOME) turn around Season 3 was. I never thought I could get emotionally invested into another Star Trek show the way I was here. They really need to continue this level of work on future project
check out "into the night" it's a masterpiece about a plane that has to fly around the world as the sun has exploded and raining radiation on earth, killing everyone - but the plane must land for fuel and food and water for the people on board.
There is no way back for me. Sadly previous seasons did happen and I cannot simply wipe them from my mind - nor the fact Picard died and some kind of android replica is the main star now. But for all who still are able to enjoy the show - I'm happy for you.
I'm sadly not happy for people who are enjoying it. The reason is selfish. Kurtzman is STILL Executive Producer. Goldsman is still involved too. This nonsense about a new showrunner is BS. Until they're gone, I will not support it. And if this succeeds they're going to still be there
AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.
Thank you Drinker - this review (and RLM) persuaded me that Picard S3 was that rarest of things - a recognition of the wrong path and an astute course correction. Didn't ever see that coming in 2023. This is my Trek and I watched the whole thing transfixed in 2 sittings. I've no idea what the idiots at CBS will do now the TNG story has been so well concluded but for a moment there, all good things returned. I'll even forgive Terry Matalas naming a planet after himself - he's so richly earned that right.
But it was too later. UPN was already planning to cancel the show. It only got a 4th season, because Paramount needed 100 episodes for the rerun market.
It is really hard to "forgive and forget" after 14+ years of disappointment. This is the most hope that I have had for the series in a long time, but I can't ignore the fact that the principal players (Bad Robot) and setting (the "Kelvin Timeline") are the same. This new season reminds me of a four tier wedding cake made out of scat. On one hand, it's an impressive technical achievement but on the other... You can't ignore the rotten core hidden underneath all that icing and presentation. At this point, I think nothing less than a total reboot of the entire franchise (like what they did in the 2009 movie but with actual talent and skill this time around) will get me to come back.
We do not need a reboot, we need something like a professional level Orville. A show with a different name and so avoids confusion on the timeline mess. You cannot fix the Star Trek timeline the way it is.
Keep in mind if they make a genuine effort to do what we wanted and we still tell them to eff off the likelihood that they AND others in Hollywood will change course is next to zero, when a dog finally sits after 50 attempts you do NOT swat him on the nose, you reward him if you ever expect to get that behavior consistently.
The thing for me as a star trek fan is all I want is a good show to watch.. I'm not here to wage an ideological war with Hollywood.. I'll watch what I like and ignore what I don't.. I've ignored star trek for the past few years.. preferring to re watch tng through to voyager.. but if I'm honest i don't want to be watching repeats that are 40 years old.. I'm not going to pretend like this show is a return to classic trek.. but it was good enough for me to enjoy it.. and want to watch another episode... and that's more than discovery, the earlier seasons of picard and strange new worlds did.. its a low bar indeed... but at least there is a bar now..
@@deanfirnatine7814 Hollywood is not a dog, nor a human it's a corporate entity/industry. It is not owed a reward for making a supposed u-turn. If it is genuine effort then those involved should keep on without a reward - pride in a job well done has kept many a creative going without monetary compensation or praise. Let their work speak for themselves and garner in those who they haven't already been angered, offended or alienated.
Honestly that's great that they realized what a dumpster fire the first to seasons were and hired some competent and passionate writers(I'm guessing). But as much as I want us to win back our culture I have to say feel like a battered spouse who's partner quit drinking and seemingly cleaned up their act. I don't think I can forgive them nor do I think one good season of a show is enough for them to have proven themselves. I don't think I can do it and I'm ok with that. TNG was my favorite show during my later childhood years and I'll leave it at that.
AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.
Well, I'm done with Star Trek, been done with them for quite a while now. I'll never forgive them, same with every other show I once loved that they've destroyed. I'll never go back, I'll never forgive them, and they'll never earn a penny from me.
Kind of like a reformed felon who is now a Born Again Christian. Uh sorry for all the hurt I did, stuff I stole, trama I caused, we're all good now right. Reminds me of Brother Where Art Thou where they get baptized and all there sins are forgiven but the State of Mississippi might think differently. I would rather remember the old TNG show how it was I don't have the time to try out this new show.
You cannot save something that was unsalvageable from the start. No level of "good" can undo the bad, unless it includes permanently expunging the bad from it. For example, Doctor Who: No level of good will reverse the damage done from the Capaldi, Woman, and Foreigner ages unless you retcon it out completely, stop referencing it, and stop selling it.
Great to hear that. I was watching the former Star Trek like Voyager, DS9 oder Next Generation recently. I found a very large difference to „modern“ Star Trek characters. The old ones are calm, experienced and reasonable when facing challenges and obstacles. Characters like Chekotay in Voyager were a real role model (calm, self-confident man, which don’t have to show their domination everytime) you harshly find in „modern times“. Sorry for the younger generation, they are truly missing something out.
@@boobah5643 chakotay had the rank of commander in starfleet before he became a maquis. thats part of the reason why janeway made him first officer on the voyager. he had the qualifications, knew how a starfleet ship operates, and had the maquis trust which made it easier to integrate them into the crew. there were actually a bunch of starfleet officers in the maquis who either sympathized with them, had personal stakes because they had relatives in the colonies on the cardassian border, or who were disillusioned how from their perspective the federation abandoned the colonists that then fell under cardassian rule with the treaty. most of them left, but some of them even acted as agents for the maquis within the federation to recruit more members, or smuggle weapons and equipment to the colonies.
Even if this season is magnificent it won't change the fact that we still have Picard's first two seasons all of Discovery, Prodigy and Strange New Worlds woke garbage to remind us that we have a long way to go before the fans return.
Shareholders, studios and producers are starting to see that "Go woke, go broke" is real phenomenal. Hopefully, in coming years we will see less and less that.
I tapped out of Discovery immediately after Season 3 but I’d hardly call SNW or Prodigy “woke garbage”. Prodigy is a show for kids but also serves as the Voyager sequel we never got. I hope it gets the Clone Wars treatment as a show for kids that simultaneously fleshes out legacy characters. And I’d say SNW’s first season is probably the most consistent in terms of overall quality.
As much as the writing was better in episode 1, there is one thing that I can't get over....Why are all the lights off! I have no idea what the bridge of their ship looks like because, for some reason, all these people work in the dark.
Space electricity is really expensive and they've got one of those meters you have to put money in. Picard's sick of never having any change because he's fed it into the meter so he makes them keep the lights off.
@ A whole generation was brainwashed into believing dark=cool. But TNG was always about bright hope and idealism. All darkness equals is not being able to see the damn show.
I've only watched the first couple, but two things were very clear: (1) This is the best Star Trek show for years, and (2) Jeri Ryan is an absolutely babe, even in her fifties!
I'm glad Dave Cullen, Nerdrotic, and others are enjoying season 3 of Picard but its too late for me. Not interested. Same with Andor for Star Wars. You can't keep making crap and attacking fans, then suddenly expect me to come back after one decent show.
i gave ONE LAST chance to Star Wars for Andor and I didn't regret it. Just dive in. You'll be glad you did. Star Trek I take far more personally. I really don't think I can forgive them.
Honestly the old series are so much better than even Picard season 3. S3 might be better than 1 and 2 but it doesn't hold a single flame to TNG and DS9.
Wow. 1st Drinker vid to not get a thumbs up in recent memory. I watched ep1, deleted it, and done. Doomcock summed up my thoughts perfectly. Did the same thing with ep 1 of Strange New Worlds. Stockholm syndrome has taken over too many reviewers to think this is actually GOOD Trek.
I'm still hoping Ronald Moore and/or Brannon Braga might return one day if only as guest writers/directors. There's a whole ST brain trust that's out there. Even Seth MacFarlane if he ever decides to conclude the Orville.
Man, The Orville is really damn good, and it shows how much difference it makes to have someone who clearly loves the source material. Whatever you think of Seth MacFarlane, he set out to make his own tribute to Star Trek and knocked it out of the park.
Both of these guys were pilloried endlessly by Trek fans back in the 90s, some of that criticism was well deserved. They're nowhere near as bad as Kurtzman but I'd be content with never seeing either of them involved in Trek again.
@@kamranahmed5366 true, but they've probably honed and matured their skill and style since then. Especially Moore, for his work on Battlestar Galactica and For All Mankind. But who knows if they'd return if they were asked to?
This. After Picard, let Matalas go back to what we know works. 20-26 episode seasons of episodic TV dealing with a post TNG/VOY/DS9 crew of a Federation starship dealing with interesting scientific conundrums and ethical dilemmas with about 15% action/mystery thrown in. Do a healthy amount of bottle episodes to save budget. Get a few guest roles in the first season or two from Kira, Jake Sisko, Tom Paris, hell even Picard himself. It's been two decades since we've had that kind of Trek. There's an entire generation that's never experienced that kind of Trek. They've only gotten a parody version in The Orville.
Nah, Picard s1 and 2 are still rubbish. S3 feels more like TNG: S8. I don't think they will recapture that magic in the future, but what was made genuinely made me happy. It wasn't perfect, but it was very good and gave me a lot of feels I didn't think Trek could do any more.
Even if Star Trek can be fixed this show is dead. No matter how good the story and writing is if Picard is still a robot I can't ignore that. Only thing that could bring me back is if they start with a fresh show in the proper timeline and ignore all this garbage.
I haven't watched any new Star Trek since 2013 Into Darkness (which I hated) and had no plans to watch anymore. And this is from someone who's been a fan since the 1979 film The Motion Picture, and my dad's been a fan since 1966 ( even built a Vulcan harp when I was a baby). But I was convinced by you and everyone at Midnight's Edge and After Hours to watch the first episode of Picard Season 3. And honestly...I love it. It felt like Star Trek again. There was a great sense of adventure, mystery, exploration, and character development. I couldn't believe how good it was and look forward to future episodes. And that music was beautiful...really touched the nostalgia in me with the Goldsmith theme and his score from First Contact.
If it succeeds... and that's a big IF, then we should openly praise it and ask for more like it. But at the same time we still need to come down hard on the previous seasons. They won't learn from just positivity.
Thats more or less what another reviewer of season 3 I read said. They were convinced after seeing it season 3 of Picard, it will be a hit with fans and that paramount needs to learn from this.
Nope fuck it, it is dead to me, if they do not openly insult the previous two seasons and "the message" and declare it not canon then they can shove a cactus up their ass. Spoke with my wallet by dropping it, doing anything else will not keep the same message, we should not compromise on woke preaching bullshit.
I'm cautiously looking forward to seeing it myself. But I'm concerned that those behind the scenes don't actually see this as "the path forward". More like paying off a few of the more egregious bills to rebuild a little credit before going on another spending spree.
AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.
Not gonna lie, I like the dark bridge even when crewed, to me, a former sailor, we always kept major spaces that served as operations or navigation rooms darkened, lit only by blue or red lights to reduce eye strain, glare on screens, and limit any light leakage out of the ship to not give anything excess away, and there's plenty of other reasons. But I'm not sure if that's why they did it, but to me it feels more natural, but again, thats just me
That's a really cool insight. Thanks for that and your service (cliche as that likely sounds). I think, though, that in the darkness of space with close stars as background, the need to conceal a light signature wouldn't be a clear and present priority. Just my thought.
@@daveyjones7391 thank you, and yeah I could see that but that also sparked the thought, we already look to space to see if we see any "intentional" radiation signatures with dozens of satellites, so I could see a futuristic civilization like this to have sensors all over the ship monitoring for light or other radiation that would indicate a nearby civilized ship or planet? Just a thought though, would be really cool to see a sci-fi story include things like that
@@spazman8675309 I'll stipulate that advanced civilizations look for signatures of other sufficiently advanced civilizations. But I just think that on the scale of space travel, the low-level radiation emitted from a few-square-metre window wouldn't be the main giveaway; rather something like a warp signature, tachion radiation from wormhole creation/passage or transporter beam signatures would be the main focus. At any rate, thanks for your reply. 🍻
Served 4 years in the Navy as a Quartermaster. (Navigation) Yeah, the bridge needs to be dark for those great reasons. If you think the bridge was dark, the Operations room was a Black Hole.
@@atomicwrath5824 can't recall, let alone cite, the source, but I'm pretty sure I've read that the dim bridge and such are modelled upon comparable shipboard navy stations IRL. If absolute accuracy were the objective, I'd imagine that starships would probably be darker than depicted on Star Trek as external detection would rely entirely on automated sensors with audio readouts and little to no naked-eye optics involved. I envision all duty uniforms worn by starship crew including assorted embedded technologies that provide said crew with relevant status reports via personal, specialty-specific HUDs, further reducing the need for significant shipboard illumination. But, I've been told I lack even a basic imagination so wadda I know...
I don't really know what you guys are watching. The first three episodes were NuTrek through and through. Sure, dialogues are a little bit better, but with the first two seasons having set the bar so low... it was not really that difficult.
It's the same old story; Kurtzman not making this one. Yet, after the Sugar-coating melts off the faeces-made-pill, you start seeing his finger prints all over, like: ST:Prodigy, ST:Lower Decks, ST:Strange New Worlds before it. The prior Two series were woeful, what with Data's daughters, Death of Q and Data, Picard is actually a robot. There's too much JJ Trek in this series, and a sense that the writer is a fan of STAR TREK is not really a lie, just not a fan of good, traditional Trek, but of his boss. For example, how did forget that there is no money used in the Federation.
Well bugger me! I’ve just watched the first seven episodes of season 3 and the unthinkable has happened, it’s actually good! Even better, it’s really good. I can barely remember season 1 and skipped season 2 altogether so no need to wade through the dross to dive on in. It feels good to be excited about trek again.
I think you may be that inured, uncaring viewer that doesn't like anything new because it's new. The good ol' days weren't always so good. I think you should take the fact that you enjoyed it and ride it, accept it, and appreciate stuff that isn't garbage from the onset. Picard *tried* to be about TNG, and never really deterred from that. At least they tried and made a good show of it. Point in case: I grew up watching all Trek shows. I personally loved TNG. But I'm not above saying the new stuff had some good things to it, and that they were worth watching, even just once. Today's opinion is that everything has to cater to every single individual, but gets panned for trying. Bullshit is bullshit, I agree. But let's stop the needless bashing of something simply because it didn't cater specifically to you.
The "finding a way back" bit near the end reminds me of a domestic abuse victim wanting to remain with their abuser because they know they can be better and do better. It can be very healthy to seperate from someone or something that is a net negative on your life, and quite honestly it would be harmful to try and stay and work things out. This does not mean that those folks are hopeless and doomed so to say, but realistically speaking, they should stay seperate to avoid ending up back where they were, which often happens more than rehabilitation sadly, and I see the same thing here. This is not saying kill the past, since there was some good times to cherish, but to know when to let go and move on. These IPs are befouled so long as the bad actors in charge remain, and things still need time to fully divorce them from all of em. Once hollywood and the like hits rock bottom and has a chance to properly self reflect and purge the cancer that has infeasted it, then things will turn for the better. For now its just like watching someone fresh out from rehab. Great to see em doing well, but Im not about to trust them with things for a fair amount of time.
I'm sorry but comments like this are just idiotic. This season is a one-off. There can be no more. Picard is over, it's the last season and stands alone from the other two, having nothing to do with them. It's not made by the same team as the other two seasons, it's made by a huge Trek fan, someone who hates Kurtzman Trek, so why are you conflating him and his team with the very villains he's saved the show from? This is what we've been waiting for for years, why wouldn't we enjoy it? Why not accept it as canon and watch it?
@@Scripture-Man I never said you could not enjoy it. My point was to not be so quick to run back to abusers just because they give you a small respite. Feel free to enjoy it for what it is, but all I see is the battered abuse victim waiting to get socked when things inevitably fall apart again.
same as a bunch of others, outreach by desperate creators who spotted the frequent set of people online dismissing their shit writing the loudest. They are professions running media-coverage channels, occasionally companies are looking for a bit of "free" publicity (or are trying to get back an audience they now realise they can't wantonly abuse indefinitely because the maniacs they were pandering to don't pay for TV subscriptions)
Gotta be honest, not a fan. I mean I trust the Drinker to be honest for the most part. But a ton of channels start small, get a following about being honest and then sell out later on as the channel grows. Usually it's around the 1 million sub range, tons of Game Critic channels died around there.
Janeway is an admiral and unlike Picard still in active service. So I can fankwank this as her pulling strings to have 7s years of service on voyager to be considered.
@@4203105 Thank you for introducing me to the term 'fan wank'. Genuinely, it's a very helpful description of something I see all the time from neckbeards coping about why the writing in a show doesn't make sense.
Field comissions are a thing, both in Star Trek and real world militaries. Wesley Crusher, Nog, and Tom Paris all received field comissions despite not attending or finishing the academy. Given her experience and capabilities (and a close personal relationship with a flag officer), a field comission to Commander is perfectly reasonable for Seven.
I felt the same. That being said I would actually describe this as a soft reboot of the series. Don't forgive, sure, but do yourself a favour and watch it. I was completely converted.
Yeah, I don't think I can watch it. Since Discovery Star Trek has been on my blacklist. I'm a pretty big Trek fan, but I'd have to finish season 1 and watch season 2 to get to season 3. Somehow idt it would be worth it to me.
@@GibDozer1 you really don't need to bother with picard season 2 for continuity. In season 3 Captain Shaw recaps it as 'that bullshit with the borg." he's not wrong
I was right there with you and other than this season alone the rest is hot garbage. This one though I think is a hail Mary and they are pulling out all the stops. It's a shame this is what season one should have been
To be absolutely honest, I never did like what they did to Seven in Voyager, and felt that her relationship with Chakotay came completely out of left field. In my opinion, a relationship between Janeway and Chakotay would have been more realistic.
There are rumours that as Chakotay's actor couldn't stand Sevens and that he was generally a pain to get along with - the writers created that relationship just to essentially troll him.
Why do shitty writers always pair off the (Ferengi emphasis) FEEmales, like they did with Troi in TNG S7, (Janeway was already married), Kira, Dax, Seven, Belanna?
I'm one of those people who think a relationship between Archer and T'pol would have worked better than her and Trip. There are hints of it too. Good chemistry between them.
Mate , your spot on , as an aging 53y old I watched the franchise go down hill faster than the sinking of the titanic , half way through discovery I gave up on that woke crap and Picard season 2 I also bailed on that as well , but since your generally hard on your reviews sometimes I’m going to take your opinion and give season 3 a whirl , if it’s shit - il be back 😂😂
As great as it is to see some quality out of it, it definitely feels too little too late. Firstly they’ve already completed their “deconstruction” of both the series and the character which poisons the well in doing so in the first place unless they reboot it and erase the “deconstruction” portions entirely from the canon. Secondly, it seems disingenuous now because these companies seem to only be beginning (key word there) to give what most fans want and not seemingly doing whatever they can to alienate their audiences that the economy is getting rough, people are leaving their properties in droves and in general, it seems only like they’re doing this because they have to and don’t really have any other choice, not that they want to actually put out real quality in the form of what the properties they’re making are generally meant to be about. Sorry for the wall of text, but (at least in my own opinion), just because it’s good/better now doesn’t mean the audiences/fans should come back, or even forgive.
It is dangerous to refer something so much, as if Star Trek was Sacred text and dare not an unholy hand touch the sacred entity. There was a TON of bad trek before this. Start Trek the movie anybody? I dont care why they make a decent product, just as long as they do.
@@thecocktailian2091 The Motion Picture isn't bad. And even if it were, that would only because they tried new things that didn't work, not because the people behind it despite America and traditional Western culture and want to subvert expectations at every turn and deconstruct every hero until they're destroyed.
I'm really glad I watched this review because I had no intention of watching season 3. Episodes range from decent to absolutely fantastic. And Michael Dorn was so deapan hilarious, I dont know how the cast made it through some of those scenes without busting up laughing. Just great stuff. Frakes especially was a joy to watch again... great stuff. A number of things to criticise, but the overall effort is so enjoyable and such a huge improvement over its predecessors that I don’t have the heart to complain. It's worth a watch for sure.
I was also created in 1966. I feel like I grew up with the spirit of Star Trek in me. I really miss Gene Roddenberry's optimistic view that's been lost over time. Jarr Jarr Abrams really took a giant 💩 on this franchise that I love so much. I was so disappointed with Picard seasons 1&2. I'm hoping the TNG crew can bring some of that back. Thank you Critical Drinker for your comical and deeply thoughtful insight. Most excellent! 👍
the 1960s were def a more hopeful time. that optimism (or lack of in 2023) is a reflection on our media. hopefully the tv show picard can once more save the trek universe this time from being cancelled.
@@unplugged123 the real 1960s were much, much darker than now. Imagine being on the brink of nuclear holocaust at any time. The Iron Curtain. Wars and coups on every continent. Genocides.
Will Jordan is a masterful thinker, writer, and speaker. When he said, "It can be done... There has to be a way back.", I almost burst into tears. Here's a start: I nominate Will Jordan for First Minister of Scotland.
By supporting Picard season 3 it sends a message to this company and every other one that it’s OK to bastardize our culture. Because the fans WILL always come back. No, I won’t be a party to this. Walking away isn’t giving up. It’s having some damn self-respect.
Or, it sends the message that they might be rewarded for actually making good shit. I know that's a strange concept for some of them, but maybe a few of them will learn. Slowly.
I just finished watching season 3. Amazing! The best Star Trek I have seen since Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise. Just an amazing achievement that came out of nowhere. I loved it! I never watching the first two seasons because I didn't want to ruin Star Trek for myself. I really hope they do a spin off with Seven and the new crew, AND keep it as good as this 3rd season was. Great review by the way. Totally agree on everything. Writing was great. Every episode felt like a movie. LOVED the characters, especially Riker. Everyone had their time in the sun. Just an amazingly well made series. I was so happy, I didn't know what to do. lol!
I was done with it after season 1. Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Disney all lost me. I won't willingly go back because of the way they have treated me as a consumer.
I understand that. I have only watched The Mandalorian, it wasn't great, it was OK. But the thing is, if they actually do something GOOD that deserves to be called Star Wars or Star Trek like this Picard S3, we don't send the message to the creators that that's the way.
@@valrond My whole thing about that is that it equates to us making excuses for being in an abusive relationship. "Oh sure he hits me, but he brought me flowers one time, so that was nice", "oh sure she cheats on me, but she did cook a wonderful meal one time". To me it doesn't send the right message to give them praise when they have treated us and our fandoms as trash for multiple years. We can't keep going back to them and giving them our time and money when they do a little something "right". But of course, that is just my humble opinion.
But this is still Kurtzman-trek, they caved in just enough to trick an average joe into thinking that Picard is back to being Star Trek, but it is still unmistakably the same old thing. Just look at how Starfleet can't afford lightbulbs. This is not Star Trek.
After episode two I am no longer optimistic about this season. Yes, it is better than most of the other series but rolling out one violent dimly lit scene after another then hiding a ship in a nebula to avoid a superior enemy to protect Picard's son makes me die a little on the inside. There are clever callbacks then there are crutches and Star Trek at times cannot tell the difference.
Are Kurtzman and his posse gone? And if they are - in case this season succeeds, can they be un-gone, like Kurtzman did before? Without those questions answered, I am not going to invest in NuTrek even with Drinker, Gary, RMB, Az and RLM collectively dancing around it in Hawaiian straw skirts. I won't budge even if Longman does it.
@@drt1605 I know, actually I enjoyed their review of Ep 1 today. Just anticipating in their case a bit, because trust me, I carry all their S1 and S2 podcasted putdowns on my phone to cheer me when I'm down.
@@drt1605 I know. Thing is, people wanted Star Trek to be good again so much... I cannot really blame anyone for giving positive reviews... within reason of course.
Nope. I think you got this one wrong. Three episodes in, I had to stop. I don't know who Patrick Stewart is playing, but it isn't Picard. Every character is a pastiche of the old version, but the final straw came with the "secret daddy" plot device! Aaaaaaaaaaaaah! FFS! How many times? How many effing times are we going to endure the same old devices trotted out. It was embarrassing to watch.
I agree with your commentary. I felt that Season 3 was overall worth my time, and do recommend it to folks hesitant on New Trek. Honestly, I think the showrunners kinda recognized the issues. Season 3 gives reminders of the approximately two-and-a-half things you need to remember from Season 1. (Only thing missed is Raffi's background with Jean Luc, so folks just joining in will probably be lost as to why everyone knows her already.) I couldn't say if there were reminders of Season 2 as I didn't watch it.
After part of the third episode of seaon two, I wish I could have forgotten it... Season one was pretty poor, but what I could bear to watch from season two... Who boy...
Star Trek for me was all about hope and giving me the strength to get though a day. What they have done to this show and others is unforgivable. I'll give it a cupple of hours but to be honest they burnt the fans so much I don't think many will come back.
You may have given up, but even season 2 had a good conclusion. It wasn't a part of season 3, which kinda baffles me. But, it was almost a retcon of season 2 in everything but name.
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Episode one should really have started with Picard waking up saying "I had a horrible dream..."
In the shower.
should i watch first 2 season before watching this?
Exactly, which is why Drinker is drunk again. Sticking some garlic aioli on a crap sandwich is still a crap sandwich.
@@kannnnn392 no! skip it, nothing happens, it's useless.
“Councillor, what is the date? I need to know the exact date.”
In the first episode of Season 3, during the opening montage, as the camera slowly pans past the federation console, there is a golden tree woven from wire right next to it. That tree was created by my uncle, Kenneth Dean Phillips. Uncle Ken died from cancer a few months before the show aired, but I would like to think he would be proud to see it there.
That's a really sweet story. Sorry about your uncle. How did his tree make it onto the show? Was he involved with production in some way?
@@Kiido11 In fact, he wasn't. He lived on a small farm in Arkansas and started making them as a hobby.
He was always a business minded person. He worked for a few fortune 500s before retiring to the farm several years ago.
He sold his trees on Etsy, and I guess someone at CBS saw them. He was approached by someone a year or two ago to buy one for a TV production.
He and the rest of the family though it was pretty cool, but we didn't know what show it was for.
It was quite a surprise to see it there, and it gave us all a nice warm remembrance of Ken. He passed away back in November.
Anyone making trees today?
I watched the first episode a while ago and thought it sucked balls compared to seasons 1 and 2. So I quit watching this. Is it wort it?
@@rockscousteau The setup in the first couple episodes is worth it, the later episodes tie things together elegantly
It’s like meeting your childhood hero as an adult and he’s a drunk loser. Even if he cleans up his act, the magic is gone.
Excellent summation of current state of things, for me that started when Nimoy told me in 2009 to forget about all that stuff in my house I bought and read and watched over the decades which was why Leonard was hawking a newer version. And what's worse? It never had to be like this.
Well life is terrible for everyone. As they say, never meet your hero
@@arioch2112 I read that “Prime” Spock or universe wasn’t even really the same universe as TOS.
Stop telling us about your estranged father
@@stpblum00 we know that dad
“Don’t believe them! Don’t trust them! Let them die!” - Captain James T. Kirk
I swear, that was the first thing that came to mind when i heard ppl praising season 3
@@milea-carmaciumihai4288 😁 yup, same same 👍 and so far i don't disagree with that intuition 🤷
Such great dialog from Undiscovered Country. A far superior movie where even Kirk has to overcome his prejudice
The best captain ever in my opinion.
@@TJFicarrotta Captain Jellico was pretty wizard.
I mean I think its ultimately too little too late. However the fact that they reached out to Drinker with an early screening speaks volumes. Did they fire the previous show runners and get new people? I was under the impression that this segment of the fandom was seen as villainous and everything that is wrong with society by the people making these shows.
All but one guy left to do different shows, one of which was Star Trek Strange New Worlds. The guy that remained was left with the creative freedom to do this, hence the huge change in tone.
Show runner Terry Matalas seems to be one of the forces involved with the changes this season.
They reached out to almost every You Tuber that has hated on modern Trek with the exception of Doomcock who seems super bitter over it.
I mean It's been a good strategy to give these guys early access the season... feels a bit like an olive branch from the studio.. some people would say they are desperate.. but to quietly reach out to the fandom menace and say take a look at this, feels like a change in tone from the studio to just calling them toxic like it's been doing for the past 6 years... some might say too little too late. But if paramount has listened and is now willing to make star trek for star trek fans not twitter influencers.. this could be a small step in the right direction..
It’s amazing to me how random people who just make videos get this treatment…
As Gary well put it, this is the best it’s gonna get with Kurtzman Trek, it can’t save the series no more than Andor can do for Star Wars.
It's not about "saving" anything. It's more about sending the message to Hollywood on what is good writing and what is shite woke nonsense.
And contrary to CD, I agree with Dave Cullen that these franchises need to be put out to pasture anyway and start coming up with new stuff.
@@dragons_red The thing is, normally movies and TV shows should end with "happily ever after" (unless it's a drama, then it should end with "it is what it is" or "and then they all died"). But with sci-fi, you can always write a new captain, you can always make up a new ship, you can always add more planets, you can always come up with new stuff beyond the galaxy and worse case scenario you can give the old team kids and they're in the forefront now. Sci-fi shows get sequel'd and will continue to get sequel'd because deep down we want another Star Wars, we want another Star Trek, we want a new Doctor and we want another superhero thing (because at the end of the day it's sci-fi as well). So while I agree that all these things should just end and we should be happy that it happened, there will always be that part of humanity in us that asks "and what happened then?".
@@mac1991seth I agree with you
That's what sci-fi is meant to be. They don't have the constrain of the real world, it doesn't need to be realistic, only to be believable in the world they happen to be and things can always be turned around and with the right people involved it's definitely feasible. At the only condition that the studios won't interfere too much. (English isn't my language)
Except Gary was wrong, as Star Wars has had a number of diamonds in the past .
I don't believe he watched any of the 8-9 years worth of animated series, nor has he read any SW books , making his knowledge of SW = that of the average cinema goer .
SW also had poor or very much middle of the road movies -- so it has a very different hit/miss ratio than one that Gary knows about .
TNG has a very different hit/miss history , and Picard cannot be corrected any more than Luke can after the Rian Johnson character assassination .
All Star Wars has to do is lance off the boil that is the ST. Problem solved. Everything else in comparison is fine, even BoBF.
Trek has a lot more work to do.
For me, the consistent problem with Star Trek movies and TV shows since 2009 is characters talking and behaving like contemporary humans. Despite all the positive points this problem still remains, and has been my number one sticking point with nu trek.
YES SO TRUE! We get enough current events as it is! Is it really too much to ask to just want my space fantasy to actually be fantasy!
What contemporary human? I don't know enibody that behave like that.
Having watched TNG - ENT I never noticed that they talked in a certain way until it was gone.
As a guy who was the target audience for 2009 Star Trek, a Star Wars fan, I will give it credit for inspiring me to check out the old stuff.
But what I appreciate about the older stuff is how much of it is NOT like Star Wars, a point that Bad Robot missed as nu trek tried to copy Star Wars.
I remember watching the trailer for star trek 2009 and having doubts. Once I watched the movie. I hated it and it has only got worries, it is toxic!
Most Star Trek fans find continuity incredibly important and the fact that seasons 1-2 are still part of the continuity is probably the biggest hurdle to overcome no matter how much of an improvement season 3 may be.
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AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek. I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is.
Yes. My thoughts exactly.
I don't think I watched season 2. If I did, I don't remember it, but I watched the first episode of S3 and it looked like the same-old to me. Two doddering old men come up with the dumbest plan imaginable to hitchhike on a starship to a nebula. They are saved when an oppressed female officer takes drives the ship to their desired destination against orders and isn't immediately thrown into the brig.
I just don't consider anything beyond 1991 to be cannon.
There. Problem solved.
Bad Robot put their best foot forward because their contract is about to expire. I truly believe if it gets renewed, Trek goes right back in the gutter.
I completely agree with that, you can't support them. Or they will get their contract extended and fu*k up ST for the next 20 years or so. They know 100% what they are doing.
Not watching any JarJar Trek until Kurtzman is publicly beaten with a batleth
JarJar and Kurtzman have to go, idgaf what they do. Frankly I would put them both in prison
@The Rotten💯 Exactly. This is what we call a catch-22. There's no guarantee that either choice will have the desired outcome. Personally, I choose to "let the past die," and pray the studios follow.
Couldn't agree more. Pure pandering to save their jobs, then right back to pure trash
Holy shit, hearing drinker sign off a video without sounding completely destroyed and upset, is a real pleasure
I am confused as any man. I had the pleasure of watching the first 6 too (comes with the job) and I couldn't agree more.
Watch his review of Maverick or Arkane
His review of arcane was outstanding
EXACTLY! Seriously, it made me a little bit happy, because we ALL needed to hear that something GOOD was finally coming through the poop pipes.
He must have run out of whiskey and had a momentary lapse of sanity, is all i can put it down to! 🤣
As a fun side note, my wife is a dramatic liberal, but also a deeply closeted conservative. I've started using the phrase "THE MESSAGE" in casual conversation, in much the same way that you do. And lo and behold, she has started using it unironically herself. Marriage really is better when trolling is there.
I do the same with my son. Everytime we watch something with gross amounts of virtue signaling, I call it "The Message", lol.
Made up Story + loser
You are my hero
Being a progressive person myself, I despise “The Message” and everything surrounding it. The censorship of people who’s ideas conflict with your own and the idea that you can’t do something simply because it may offend some other person is insanity. Covid was a great example of this and showed how the push to follow the narrative was simply people wanting to control the lives of other, in the same way that people who push for abortion bans do
It's hard to not see the message at this point I feel like the weird socialists have got a megaphone on every kind of media and they're screaming into it constantly demanding people do whatever weird shit they think of today
Drinker I'm begging you please do one more Picard review at the end of this season. this has been the first Star Trek series I've been excited to sit down and watch every night since they started churning out new content. This was the reunion we'd been waiting for for decades.
I support this comment! This ending, left me with joy. It was an actual good story, and closure, but leaving open doors for another ST:Enterprise series! (Hopefully leaving the legends to rest.)
yeah i'd like to see his full commentary without the spoilers. we rarely get smart commentary from people who actually know and love good Star Trek
New Trek has kind of turned it around. I really enjoy "Strange New Worlds", "Lower Decks" is pretty entertaining, and Season 3 of Picard was excellent.
^^^
Spoiler: the season also sucked
I saw the first episode, and yeah it was pretty decent. I think Nerdrotic put it well: they haven’t reinvented the wheel, they just found it again.
Nerdrotic? Oh that mom's basement dwelling rantman who hates on IPs for a living. Yup. Totally reliable source.
You call that shit decent? 😅
@The Cheap Normie as long as JarJar Abrams and Alex Kurtzman are still in charge -- which they are -- this show is dead and it does not matter how much lipstick they put on Star Trek's rotting carcass
Not really, because Picard is not TNG.
Although I guess it could kind of be like Enterprise (I didn't see much of Enterprise, but I think it was vaguely like this kind-of sometimes)
I'm still wondering how Gary's got to see the entire season, just saw Red Letter Media & even they have only seen ep1. Saw Az joking that Gary's part of the main stream media now lol.
Unless everything from the rest of Kurtzman trek is retconned out of existence and Kurtzman is fired and humiliated then it doesn't matter how "good" this season is.
Exactly, the damage from the first two seasons is just too much for this to be worth a damn. Don't care about anything they do. Even if they improved everything, it is built on a foundation to total garbage.
Yeah I'm not touching anything from these people until I see some kind of apology. I'm not just going to forget about all the blatant attacks and all the stupid articles punching down at fans like they never happened.
@@I-ONLY-BUILD-MECHS-AND-DUSTERS Couldn't agree more. The damage is so deep and just unforgivable... There must be a monumental gesture of humility before I ever give these people my time ever again.
I'm glad I'm not alone on flipping these assholes the bird.
Glad to hear about the upgraded writing, but I'm going to wait until Kurtzman and Bad Robot are not associated with the franchise before returning to it.
That's the only way I'm coming back.
Me too, Kurtzman is never getting a single penny of my money or time.
4 episodes in and they’ve all been at least 8/10. This is likely the last outing for these characters and I’m pretty sure I know where it’s going to end up. It’s the Picard show I wanted. One last mission with the TNG crew to make up for the calamity that was Nemesis. The first two Picard series seemingly erased. They even dumped the intro and the music from that nightmare.
The fourth episode vaulted up my list of favorite Trek episodes. The acting in the episode was phenomenal.
@@chaost4544 The last 2 episodes and “17 seconds” are some of my favorite tv episodes ever already.
@JelloTR AMERICAN SHOWS say “seasons” not series because typically the show started September and ran until May (with no episodes during summer vacation). American shows are seasonal.
So Picard had 3 seasons. TNG had 7 seasons. Et cetera. The term “series” refers to the whole show from start to finish.
Well… you refering to Picard Series 3 is as uneducated as me saying Doctor Who season 3. Both are wrong
the best thing about the series is that we find out that dr crusher hated wesley just as much as the rest of us
I don’t know about that 🤔
LOL, yep.
Why??
If my son was supposed to grow up into a tall, masculine iconic traditional male figure... but instead all he did was get a pot belly and grow a beard to hide his weak chin I'd be pissed too and try again
It’s 💩
Doomcock warned us against this. Don't be fooled into giving them you loyalty. I'll wait until they have a history of good seasons before I watch anything Star Trek
Here's the thing: Let's say this is good. What is preventing Kurtzman, Chabon, and Goldsman from using this as a pretense to come back and giving us more bad Trek? I know that the 5 year contract extension Kurtzman got last year was supposed to have his power removed, but if Shari Redstone was foolish enough to give him that extension in the first place, why should I think that she wouldn't give him his power back?
Sorry, but unless unless Kurtzman is gone for good, there is no coming back.
Hollywood is a game of failing upwards. You have to fail really hard to even get sidelined and get your power striped with a face saving contact like this. There is usually no way back from that. So I'd say he's well and truly out.
That being said, I'll be weary of any new star trek show for years to come.
@@4203105 But what's the point of renewing the contract while taking away direct power at the same time? It would have made far more sense to just let it expire and start off where DS9 or Voyager ended instead. Not only that, but even somebody who's had direct power taken away can still wield considerable influence. And Kurtzman's right hand man, Chabon can simply take power for himself as well and sideline Kurtzman too.
Someone said something that I completely agreed with. They called season 3 of Picard, season 8 of TNG and I never knew I needed to hear that until it was said.
TNG seasons were 26 episodes long. Picard S3 isn’t even Half of a TNG season.
@@electrictroy2010 does the word 'whooosh' mean anything to you?
TNG had stories... this was just a rehash for nostalgia feels and memberberries in the bleak NuTrek aesthetic. Don't agree with the "S8" at all. Even Stewart himself said you can't bring back iconic shows. Once you got past the nostalgia, the silliness of the story ark was just empty, it was about seeing faces again rather than an interesting storyline. Sorry, TNG would've never sunk to such a pathetic low.
@@dominicdudebromtl9380 It sounds like what moderns do
@@zoso1980there were plenty of goofy ass nothing TNG episodes.
Wesley Crusher was so terrible that Picard season 3 gave Beverly an entirely new son.🙃
Was Wesley Crusher played by Wil Wheaton? I didn’t watch the series much, but enough to know that character is insufferable.
I guess Wheaton is still super-excited about this...
Really makes you think, lol.
That was the funniest thing to me about this episode.
Wil Wheaton was a really gifted young actor (see: Stand By Me). It wasn't his fault his character was written to be so corny. And he had some good episodes toward the end of his time on the show.
Riker and Picard sitting around by a lake and burning pizza was the best part of season 1.
No I feel it was terrible. They had Riker lose a child , why? No happy endings at all?
Exactly. It was the BEST part.
That was the only episode I liked.
@@dirkmasters7453 You're both right. A terrible episode is still the best of that season. It was a very low bar after all.
I disagree. Fat retired pizza chef showing up commanding the largest fleet in star trek history was the best part. In that I hadnt laughed that hard in years
Seven of Nine is straight. In Voyager Harry Kim puts subtle moves on Seven. It backfires spectacularly/hilariously when she asks if he's in love with her or only wants to "copulate"; she wants to copulate and commands: "Take off your clothes; don’t be alarmed I won’t hurt you". Harry freaks ending it (idiot). Seven later corners Harry, says "resistance is futile", pushes him to the wall kissing him. Seven and Chakotay fall in love; we see Seven as vulnerable, feminine, when she's in love with a man. Seven ends it upon learning in a likely future she dies and grief-stricken Chakotay kills himself.
Even when Seven was fully part of the Borg Collective she was straight. Seven discovers in "Unimatrix Zero" she used to be able to visit Unimatrix Zero, which the Borg Queen could not control, and that she was in love with a man there, Axum, but was forced to forget him. Axum makes contact with Seven when she is on Voyager so she can help him and all those in Unimatrix Zero secretly resisting the Borg; the arc ends with Unimatrix Zero under attack meaning Seven will be separated from her love Axum again; Seven vows to do everything in her power to be reunited with Axum, her lover, who is a man.
Seven is only gay now because Kurtzman and Goldman pushed an agenda and made her gay. It makes no sense, but why should that matter?
(Do I really care if a character is Gay? No. I have no problem at all with Gay or Bi characters. I only care because what they did to Seven made no sense and because none of it was earned, meaning they messed-up one of Star Trek's most beloved characters. If any think this is just my thing, think again; Look at the interviews of Jeri Ryan where she talks about how she totally freaked out when she got the scripts for Picard S1 because nothing of the original Seven remained. Seven had become so unrecognizable that Ryan said she totally panicked because she had no idea how to even begin to play the retconned character).
True, and until they remove all the toxic vile they've pushed on the "reboot" it's not worth watching.
This is the dialogue from the end of Unamatrix Zero, where despite Unamatrix Zero being destroyed Seven runs into her alcove to try to be with Axum even if it means her death. (Seven appears in Unamatrix Zero as it is almost entirely destroyed).
AXUM: "You shouldn't be here."
SEVEN: "Neither should you."
(They hug.)
SEVEN: "I've wasted our time together."
AXUM: "No, you didn't. It gave us a chance to fall in love again."
SEVEN: (Frantically): "We've lost our only way to be together!"
AXUM: "No. I'll find you."
SEVEN: (Voice trembling): "Axum!"
AXUM: "I'll find you."
(Axum disappears, then Seven wakes up, her eyes are damp).
Remind you of anything?
"This is true love... you think this happens every day?"
"(We) are joined by the bond of love and you cannot track that, not with a thousand bloodhounds, and you cannot break it, not with a thousand swords."
The Princess Bride.
Did Kurtzman and Goldman not watch Voyager, and if they did, how could they possibly even pretend that Seven is gay?
@@ReasonablySkeptic I'm not going to whine about it, if I can see Jeri Ryan making out with another woman. Just saying...
Kurtzman and Goldman you say...
That death of Seven of Nine, and Chakotay's subsequent heartbreak, only occur if the original mission continued on for several years. Future Janeway, however, in cooperation with Present Janeway, stopped that future. So, there was no reason for Chakotay and Seven not to get married. Turning Seven into a lesbian is just more in-your-face wokeness by the spawn of Satan who infest Hollywood, not the natural development of her character arc.
I was expecting to see Janeway, at least one cameo.😢😢
But I cried like a baby when VOYAGER showed up. So many memories.
I can understand how fans are really Involved in the shows, I remember the VOYAGER crew as old friends , I really miss them.
I don’t think I’ve ever started watching a series by skipping the first two seasons, but Picard might be the first show where I do just that lol.
It's not really one series at all, it's two completely different shows which happen to share the same platform and title, but other than that it's a new show.
Just thinking the very same
Me, too!
Q: “What must I do to convince you?”
Worf: “Die.”
What a great line, and what a great use of it here.
I still maintain that it was most Spartan and best delivered, vicious comeback in history of TV. Watching rest of cast trying to keep straight face was awesome.
eat any good books lately
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In this season 3 episode 6
Riker: Cloak with what?
Worf: My guess... Superior Klingon Technology 😂😂😂
I remembered the line Drinker used for season 1 “Sheer F#cking Hubris” & thought nope, not giving it a chance
You chose wisely.
Picard and everything TNG is still being disrespected, but it's more subtle now. Like how the Galaxy class modelship doesn't sell because 'nobody wants the fat one", or captain Shaw being rude during the diner scene. Picard is made to look silly when he suggests to inform the engine room about traveling at warp 9.9, or when he doesn't know DS3 has been closed for a year.
Season 3 was the only season of Picard I watched. It' s almost perfect
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Perfect garbage
@@DerUnglaublicheFrank Clueless.....
@@pr-tj5by Defending nostalgia bait and memberberries is a bad look. Just sayin'. S3 was a joke, written for nostalgia feels with no future. Living on the fumes of good will from decades ago. Utter dreck.
@@zoso1980 I'm glad I wasn't wasting my time like you were then
@@pr-tj5by There's always a place for those with low standards that just want a nostalgia romp, I suppose.
If anything, all the praise I've seen this season get makes it a bit sad to think about how the entire show could have had this level of quality from the start.
Not necessarily. If Matalas had done 2 more seasons, the quality might not have held up. He got 1 season and he's packed all his best ideas into it, so let's just enjoy this for what it is - 10 new Star Trek episodes, the first in 20 years.
@@Scripture-Man He got 2 seasons actually
SAME
How good were the first two seasons of TNG?
@@Scripture-Man we got strange new world's, which was pretty awesome imo
So we are expected to forget and forgive 15 years of abuse just because one show wasn't as abusive? Nope - my Star Trek is dead, and Nu-Trek wasn't made for me. This +50 year fan accepts that. I've buried my fandom. RIP Star Trek.
I would say this season is a fantastic work of taxidermi on a longtime rotted corpse. At first glance you could believe that it's almost alive, but at a closer inspection you can see the scars where the taxidermist had to sew the skin together again, if you touch it you feel the coldnese of the body and the artificial softness of the stuffing, and it's eyes had to be changed for crystal marbles. No matter how good of a job it is, a corpse is still a corpse, and while you can appreciate the job behind making it look as alive as possible, it's still dead.
Watch The Orville
@@wanderingwaypoints9809 Orville is closer in quality and idea to st.
@Wandering Waypoints Orville is like that student that takes what their Professor has taught them, and did what Einstein said after someone said he was better than Newton. They stood on someone else's shoulders, and saw further. New Trek mocks old Trek and punches them in the shoulder.
@@bassandtrebleclef Orville at best is a parody. A better one than Lower Decks but still a parody. When they think they can do serious instead of parody, it rather falls flat. If you know TOS there aren't really many original episode ideas in The Orville
shocking.. would never have expected this show to get any better
also, I hate how the lighting is sooooo dark ... i loved how much light there was in TNG
Part of the Federation aesthetic is that everything is lit like an Apple advert. Even in DS9, where it is a bit less, Federation stuff is clean and well lit and looks all business.
Changing that is stupid. It looks like they are on ships stolen from another speicies.
you know, when the Kelvin movies came out... my biggest gripe? Lack of carpets. Same with Discovery.
I like my TNG-era carpets. And now I can add lighting to list. I've kinda gotten used to both now, but still
its not any better though.
I agree. It's the nihilism that pervades modern America. It's everywhere. Do they have Fresh Market grocery stores where you live? I call it the shop in the dark grocery.
@@lostalone9320 It's an interesting dilemma. DS9 looks far, far better than any of the other Trek shows of that era precisely because the Cardassian stuff allowed for more cinematic lighting and shadow.
It's not a matter of having an open mind. It's a matter of having two things: the smallest modicum of pride, and also the knowledge that the more we patronize people who treated us like shit, the less support there is for other people who won't.
AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek. I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't congratulate a Marxist just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter. Too little, too late.
But shouldn't you also then acknowledge when they correct themselves and do something good? Otherwise, what's the point of course correcting if you still gonna get shit for the bad things you did? Then you just may keep pumping out shit
I boycotted EA for half a decade. But when they released Titanfall 2, a good, finished game with no significant/forced micro transactions. I bought it to show: "okay. You did good this time. More of this, please!"
@@Wistbacka I think this is an important perspective. If we still care at all about the franchise, we should reward them when they do things the right way. I don't see it so much as a "battered spouse" situation but more as a misbehaving dog situation. The bad behavior has gotten so bad that a lot of us have just started withholding our attention (and money), but when they do good, we can say, "Good boy, you get a treat and some pets," and some views/money. Complaints won't mean much to them. But if they see that season 3 makes more money and gets more views than the first two and more than STD, then they might go, "Hey, maybe we can make more money if we do it this way." And that *might* change their behavior going forward.
It's like an abusive relative saying sorry: until they show a willingness to seriously change, it doesn't matter.
There have to be at least 5 full very good seasons that i'm going to think about to step back in
@@Daemonarch2k6 Only five? I'll need 15 seasons to even consider watching any Star Trek.
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People have become like battered wives. You get abused repeatedly by the shit show and then the moment the abuser shows you some kindness you think everything has changed. Until the people writing, directing, and producing the show have been totally replaced nothing will truly change.
Yeah weird how many people are so excited to run right back after 'he' promises not to hit you anymore this time. Honest!
Well said.
It's an interesting dichotomy that we face, we can watch stuff that ultimately is bad and causes damage to the memory of things we've enjoyed, yet we still hope for things connected to those good memories, you made a very good analogy, and just like people abused, you can understand why they do it, even if in your own opinion it's crazy, and it is, people do crazy things for love, even if it's only a memory of that love...but I like me some lazers, so I'll maybe watch it if I can for free at a library or something, I'm not paying for propaganda if I can help it.
It has a second level. Other things that we wouldn't have considered attractive now become watchable purely on the lack of messaging. It's like swapping a violent husband for one who is a stoner slacker - "at least he doesn't hit me!". It's upped my viewing of Korean output ( I liked it before), they don't do woke shit.
Wow... that's an idiotic way to look at things.
I'm in the too little, too late crowd. I can't give them the viewing numbers on principal. They've had 14 years to make their material appealing to the majority of Star Trek fans. That should have been the starting point when they took over, not a desperate last roll of the dice move after failing to pull in the Game of Thrones crowd. It's still the dark, dreary, and contemporary spoken JarJar verse. Once that and Bad Re-boot are out, I'll consider new Star Trek material then.
I am with you!
Don't give them the numbers. Sail the high seas.
I feel exactly the same way. Halfway during season 1 of STD i was out and never looked back. Still rewatching the older shows about once a year.
There are always ways to watch the series and not giving them viewing numbers. Har-har-har
I once met Jonathon Frakes. I'm the guy who asked him what it's like to "beam in". He laughs and tells people about my question to this day at comicons and autograph signings. He chews a phenomenal amount of gum.
I’m gonna get my picture with him at comic con this year!
@@basementbrotherscollectibles The whole time he was there he was chewing gum, and I see him doing the same thing in videos I watch of him at like Las Vegas conventions and such. It's compulsive, like a cigarette habit, only with gum. Watch for it when you meet him lol.
@@PouchMaster I think he chews gum because he did smoke and is trying to kick the habit.
@@RandomAccessDreams Did he smoke? That's hard to imagine!
Haha great story.
It’s too little too late.
I love a good redemption story but the time for a second chance has long since passed for Star Trek.
We as the CUSTOMERS are not obligated to support franchises and companies that have spat in our faces in the past. We can give credit where it’s due when they do right but don’t expect us to show up after a pattern of bad behavior.
Next generations started being interesting in the third season so it is not like we aren't used to it but it was the first time when in the first two seasons they assassinated us with wokeness and a bleak future.
This is so fucking juvenile. NuTrek has been awful, yes. And your position is that no matter how good, no matter how close it resembles good Trek, the franchise is dead. It's not EVER redeemable? Even if we reincarnated Roddenberry himself, it's best if we just let the franchise burn. Too little, too late after all.
"We can give credit where it's due" and "don't expect us to show up after a pattern of bad behavior" are two statements that literally cannot both be true.
You folks have been fighting the wokeness for so long you've become a mirror of the same evil, toxic thing you fight. You've completely lost sight of the big picture here.
Your thought process ENSURES NuTrek continues and guarantees that good Trek will never be seen again. Personally, I think it's shameful to throw your hands up and quit like that.
@@elenabob4953
Stop making excuses for crappy TV.
There’s a vast Grand Canyon difference between a good show that understands it’s identity by the third season and a shitshow that should have been canceled before then.
Picard and Next Generation are not the same thing.
I hope after a year you had a chance to check out season 3 of Picard. To me, it is really season 8 of TNG. I had lost all hope, but damn if it wasn't great. It helps that the new show-runner cut his teeth working on Star Trek: Enterprise and was an actual fan of TNG.
@@StarshipYorktown Apathy has long since kicked in. And I stand by my statement.
And considering Kurtzman is still there making garbage decisions and STD had its season finale with NO fanfare, I’d say Picard Season 3 isn’t really worth rewarding with a view.
Two season of insulting trash and one season is all it took for you to forgive them? Gonna take a lot more for me. Best I can give this series is I am willing to pirate it (something I didn’t even bother doing for season 1 or 2) and see if it’s worth tuning into whatever they make next.
Well said
I mean, he *literally* says that one good season does not make up for over a decade of utter shit. He just says that season 3 is a first step back towards Star Trek being not shit anymore.
Someone get the toilet duck away from Drinker, he's over dosed.
@@drt1605 **Dr T
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@PTONPC ooh you're soooooo funny and original! Man who has published series of books and adopts funny persona to build YT profile gives views you don't like and you resort to ad hominem attacks...... Sheesh.... **
I'll explain it slowly for you. The Drinker has himself referred to drinking toilet duck in a humorous way.
No one who is a functioning adult should think he means it seriously.
This is a thing called 'Earth humour'. Specifically humour for a certain demographic of the Earth's population. Specifically Scottish people, (Do I need to get more specific for you?) The Scottish sense of humour can often considered a bit on the dark side.
Thus I am referring to the 'toilet duck' meme. As in 'Someone get the toilet duck away from Drinker, he's over dosed.' Which, within the context of previous jokes made by him, commentators, and other people who understand the joke, will take it in the light hearted manner in which the comment was made.
Now, you can either nod your head, pretend you too understood the joke or you can protest about me being a terrible person.
Suits me either way, YT classes this as engagement with the video, thus making it more likely to promote it.
@@drt1605 No worries. It's hard to gauge someone's tone with just text. Hope your weekend is a good one.
For me it’s too little too late but that’s true of most “entertainment” since around 2010. While I’ve watched portions of some “entertainment” I’ve rarely been able to endure a whole movie or episode of anything made since that year and we all know we had plenty of “spare time” three years ago. On the upside I’ve rediscovered a love of creating my own adventures in wilderness areas and that’s satisfying in a way I’ve never had from any other “entertainment”; and out there nobody really cares where you urinate as long as it’s not on the campfire they’re using so drink up.
Just finished this season now. And it was FANTASTIC! THIS is what we want! I had everything, good story, likable characters, excitement, fan service, etc. I managed to get goose bumps several times. And even some tears. Been a long time since a TV moved me so much.
I hope they continue down this road.
Unless they are prepared to undo those other 2 seasons zero interest.... That's a major and serious stumbling block to me..... And therein lays the problem. Having suffered 100% shit since 2009 I've simply had enough... Too little way too late.... Also all the problems and issues are still there and glossed over... But they won't go away especially with what was done to Picard..... That was unforgivable......
I hear yah, but even in the first episode they are trying to bury that shit pronto, worth your time imo.
@@LeArtisanInsane if true (since both seasons were produced at the same time).
@@LeArtisan Sorry nothing can undo the damage done to the characters and the garbage dished out over the past few years..... Totally unforgivable....
I wish "drag show at a kindergarten" was still some ridiculously unthinkable comparison.
Agreed. Democrats have turned into Darth Vader.
It is.
@@simondaniel4028 It might be ridiculous but it's not unthinkable anymore.
@@notusedexer more like (((democrats)))
I was almost done after Season 2; I couldn't believe what a drastic (and WELCOME) turn around Season 3 was. I never thought I could get emotionally invested into another Star Trek show the way I was here. They really need to continue this level of work on future project
To think we could have had Han and Luke done in a similar way
I don't think that can happen plus harrison Ford dont care about solo that much
check out "into the night" it's a masterpiece about a plane that has to fly around the world as the sun has exploded and raining radiation on earth, killing everyone - but the plane must land for fuel and food and water for the people on board.
Snowpiercer in the air.
@@joseywales7463 youd think but its different
There is no way back for me. Sadly previous seasons did happen and I cannot simply wipe them from my mind - nor the fact Picard died and some kind of android replica is the main star now. But for all who still are able to enjoy the show - I'm happy for you.
same, but also looking back at it (major grin channel), it became a sort of comedy, like how far can they take it xD
I'm sadly not happy for people who are enjoying it. The reason is selfish. Kurtzman is STILL Executive Producer. Goldsman is still involved too. This nonsense about a new showrunner is BS. Until they're gone, I will not support it. And if this succeeds they're going to still be there
@@shawncarter7188
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AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.
he aint a robot tho
Thank you Drinker - this review (and RLM) persuaded me that Picard S3 was that rarest of things - a recognition of the wrong path and an astute course correction. Didn't ever see that coming in 2023. This is my Trek and I watched the whole thing transfixed in 2 sittings. I've no idea what the idiots at CBS will do now the TNG story has been so well concluded but for a moment there, all good things returned. I'll even forgive Terry Matalas naming a planet after himself - he's so richly earned that right.
The producers actually named that planet for him way back in Star Trek: Enterprise Season 4
@@sharpie3811 Indeed they did. I discovered this not long after posting but thought I'd leave it as it is, as it's meant as a compliment. 👍
Enterprise Season 4 was a reboot of sorts. New show runner took over & had Archer say “No more time war or travel. Enough is enough!”
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But it was too later. UPN was already planning to cancel the show. It only got a 4th season, because Paramount needed 100 episodes for the rerun market.
It is really hard to "forgive and forget" after 14+ years of disappointment. This is the most hope that I have had for the series in a long time, but I can't ignore the fact that the principal players (Bad Robot) and setting (the "Kelvin Timeline") are the same. This new season reminds me of a four tier wedding cake made out of scat. On one hand, it's an impressive technical achievement but on the other... You can't ignore the rotten core hidden underneath all that icing and presentation. At this point, I think nothing less than a total reboot of the entire franchise (like what they did in the 2009 movie but with actual talent and skill this time around) will get me to come back.
Don't get me wrong, I think all of new trek is complete garbage, but literally none of it takes place in the kelvin timeline except for the movies.
We do not need a reboot, we need something like a professional level Orville. A show with a different name and so avoids confusion on the timeline mess. You cannot fix the Star Trek timeline the way it is.
Keep in mind if they make a genuine effort to do what we wanted and we still tell them to eff off the likelihood that they AND others in Hollywood will change course is next to zero, when a dog finally sits after 50 attempts you do NOT swat him on the nose, you reward him if you ever expect to get that behavior consistently.
The thing for me as a star trek fan is all I want is a good show to watch.. I'm not here to wage an ideological war with Hollywood.. I'll watch what I like and ignore what I don't.. I've ignored star trek for the past few years.. preferring to re watch tng through to voyager.. but if I'm honest i don't want to be watching repeats that are 40 years old.. I'm not going to pretend like this show is a return to classic trek.. but it was good enough for me to enjoy it.. and want to watch another episode... and that's more than discovery, the earlier seasons of picard and strange new worlds did.. its a low bar indeed... but at least there is a bar now..
@@deanfirnatine7814 Hollywood is not a dog, nor a human it's a corporate entity/industry. It is not owed a reward for making a supposed u-turn. If it is genuine effort then those involved should keep on without a reward - pride in a job well done has kept many a creative going without monetary compensation or praise. Let their work speak for themselves and garner in those who they haven't already been angered, offended or alienated.
Honestly that's great that they realized what a dumpster fire the first to seasons were and hired some competent and passionate writers(I'm guessing). But as much as I want us to win back our culture I have to say feel like a battered spouse who's partner quit drinking and seemingly cleaned up their act. I don't think I can forgive them nor do I think one good season of a show is enough for them to have proven themselves. I don't think I can do it and I'm ok with that. TNG was my favorite show during my later childhood years and I'll leave it at that.
AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.
This perfectly sums up my relationship with Star Wars.
"It will be different this time!"
/smack
Well, I'm done with Star Trek, been done with them for quite a while now. I'll never forgive them, same with every other show I once loved that they've destroyed. I'll never go back, I'll never forgive them, and they'll never earn a penny from me.
Kind of like a reformed felon who is now a Born Again Christian. Uh sorry for all the hurt I did, stuff I stole, trama I caused, we're all good now right. Reminds me of Brother Where Art Thou where they get baptized and all there sins are forgiven but the State of Mississippi might think differently. I would rather remember the old TNG show how it was I don't have the time to try out this new show.
It’s too late…
I could've watched Riker and Picard catching up on old times at the bar for a whole season. Great stuff.
You cannot save something that was unsalvageable from the start. No level of "good" can undo the bad, unless it includes permanently expunging the bad from it.
For example, Doctor Who: No level of good will reverse the damage done from the Capaldi, Woman, and Foreigner ages unless you retcon it out completely, stop referencing it, and stop selling it.
Great to hear that. I was watching the former Star Trek like Voyager, DS9 oder Next Generation recently. I found a very large difference to „modern“ Star Trek characters. The old ones are calm, experienced and reasonable when facing challenges and obstacles. Characters like Chekotay in Voyager were a real role model (calm, self-confident man, which don’t have to show their domination everytime) you harshly find in „modern times“. Sorry for the younger generation, they are truly missing something out.
Yes, the supposedly professional Starfleet officers constantly behaving like emotional teenagers is one of my major reasons for disliking nuTrek.
Thankfully, WOKE/"diversity" BS isnt paying off.
A bit of irony in that Chakotay wasn't a Starfleet officer; dude ran a terrorist cell that operated a starship.
@@boobah5643 Chakotay was a Starfleet officer before joining the Maquis.
@@boobah5643 chakotay had the rank of commander in starfleet before he became a maquis. thats part of the reason why janeway made him first officer on the voyager. he had the qualifications, knew how a starfleet ship operates, and had the maquis trust which made it easier to integrate them into the crew.
there were actually a bunch of starfleet officers in the maquis who either sympathized with them, had personal stakes because they had relatives in the colonies on the cardassian border, or who were disillusioned how from their perspective the federation abandoned the colonists that then fell under cardassian rule with the treaty.
most of them left, but some of them even acted as agents for the maquis within the federation to recruit more members, or smuggle weapons and equipment to the colonies.
Even if this season is magnificent it won't change the fact that we still have Picard's first two seasons all of Discovery, Prodigy and Strange New Worlds woke garbage to remind us that we have a long way to go before the fans return.
Shareholders, studios and producers are starting to see that "Go woke, go broke" is real phenomenal. Hopefully, in coming years we will see less and less that.
You forgot Lower Decks, which took a beautiful TNG concept and made utter sh!te out of it.
@@humankirk9196 Never heard of it.
Must've been since I haven't seen one advertisement.
oi Strange new worlds is not bad !!!
I tapped out of Discovery immediately after Season 3 but I’d hardly call SNW or Prodigy “woke garbage”. Prodigy is a show for kids but also serves as the Voyager sequel we never got. I hope it gets the Clone Wars treatment as a show for kids that simultaneously fleshes out legacy characters. And I’d say SNW’s first season is probably the most consistent in terms of overall quality.
This season feels like the TNG movie we always deserved
Amen. 🤘
Absolutely
Better than Generations, Insurrection, and Nemessis. Not better than 1st Contact, but to be fair that's a REALLY good Star Trek movie.
@@alnu8355 Oh yeah First Contact absolutely slaps. That’s probably why they used the First Contact theme for Picard S3
As much as the writing was better in episode 1, there is one thing that I can't get over....Why are all the lights off! I have no idea what the bridge of their ship looks like because, for some reason, all these people work in the dark.
"Darker and grittier"
Space electricity is really expensive and they've got one of those meters you have to put money in. Picard's sick of never having any change because he's fed it into the meter so he makes them keep the lights off.
@ A whole generation was brainwashed into believing dark=cool. But TNG was always about bright hope and idealism. All darkness equals is not being able to see the damn show.
It's cheaper to make the sets that way.. no lights and u can't see all the flaws.
@@kungfreddie oof, thats so dumb.
I've only watched the first couple, but two things were very clear: (1) This is the best Star Trek show for years, and (2) Jeri Ryan is an absolutely babe, even in her fifties!
Why is it so suprising that a woman in her fifties could be a babe?
I'm glad Dave Cullen, Nerdrotic, and others are enjoying season 3 of Picard but its too late for me. Not interested.
Same with Andor for Star Wars. You can't keep making crap and attacking fans, then suddenly expect me to come back after one decent show.
i gave ONE LAST chance to Star Wars for Andor and I didn't regret it. Just dive in. You'll be glad you did.
Star Trek I take far more personally. I really don't think I can forgive them.
"Never come back" camp for life. Defeat is the best option here. I can always rewatch the old series, and that's great.
Honestly the old series are so much better than even Picard season 3. S3 might be better than 1 and 2 but it doesn't hold a single flame to TNG and DS9.
Wow. 1st Drinker vid to not get a thumbs up in recent memory. I watched ep1, deleted it, and done. Doomcock summed up my thoughts perfectly. Did the same thing with ep 1 of Strange New Worlds. Stockholm syndrome has taken over too many reviewers to think this is actually GOOD Trek.
@@drt1605 What does that have to do with the topic? Strawman much?
I'm still hoping Ronald Moore and/or Brannon Braga might return one day if only as guest writers/directors. There's a whole ST brain trust that's out there. Even Seth MacFarlane if he ever decides to conclude the Orville.
Man, The Orville is really damn good, and it shows how much difference it makes to have someone who clearly loves the source material. Whatever you think of Seth MacFarlane, he set out to make his own tribute to Star Trek and knocked it out of the park.
Both of these guys were pilloried endlessly by Trek fans back in the 90s, some of that criticism was well deserved. They're nowhere near as bad as Kurtzman but I'd be content with never seeing either of them involved in Trek again.
@@kamranahmed5366 true, but they've probably honed and matured their skill and style since then. Especially Moore, for his work on Battlestar Galactica and For All Mankind. But who knows if they'd return if they were asked to?
This. After Picard, let Matalas go back to what we know works. 20-26 episode seasons of episodic TV dealing with a post TNG/VOY/DS9 crew of a Federation starship dealing with interesting scientific conundrums and ethical dilemmas with about 15% action/mystery thrown in. Do a healthy amount of bottle episodes to save budget. Get a few guest roles in the first season or two from Kira, Jake Sisko, Tom Paris, hell even Picard himself. It's been two decades since we've had that kind of Trek. There's an entire generation that's never experienced that kind of Trek. They've only gotten a parody version in The Orville.
@@kamranahmed5366 Stick to the devil you know.
Battered spouses everywhere love season 3 of Picard. See? He's good to me sometimes.
they’re just that way 😂😂😂😂
I don’t know man, between this and Strange New Worlds it feels like we’re moving in the right direction
Nah, Picard s1 and 2 are still rubbish. S3 feels more like TNG: S8. I don't think they will recapture that magic in the future, but what was made genuinely made me happy. It wasn't perfect, but it was very good and gave me a lot of feels I didn't think Trek could do any more.
Even if Star Trek can be fixed this show is dead. No matter how good the story and writing is if Picard is still a robot I can't ignore that. Only thing that could bring me back is if they start with a fresh show in the proper timeline and ignore all this garbage.
I'll give Picard another watch after all the episodes are out. I'm in no rush after the last two seasons.
I am looking forward to the next episode, I wish I had it. I had two niggles with it, I genuinely thought I would have a shitload.
I haven't watched any new Star Trek since 2013 Into Darkness (which I hated) and had no plans to watch anymore. And this is from someone who's been a fan since the 1979 film The Motion Picture, and my dad's been a fan since 1966 ( even built a Vulcan harp when I was a baby). But I was convinced by you and everyone at Midnight's Edge and After Hours to watch the first episode of Picard Season 3. And honestly...I love it. It felt like Star Trek again. There was a great sense of adventure, mystery, exploration, and character development. I couldn't believe how good it was and look forward to future episodes. And that music was beautiful...really touched the nostalgia in me with the Goldsmith theme and his score from First Contact.
One of the best seasons of any Star Trek series ever. Glad they didn’t give up. Love the nostalgia and send off.
More like Half-season. My favorite seasons were a solid 24-26 episodes long.
@@electrictroy2010 More like a full season with all the filler episodes removed.
Too little, too late for me while Kurtzman is around
If it succeeds... and that's a big IF, then we should openly praise it and ask for more like it.
But at the same time we still need to come down hard on the previous seasons. They won't learn from just positivity.
Thats more or less what another reviewer of season 3 I read said. They were convinced after seeing it season 3 of Picard, it will be a hit with fans and that paramount needs to learn from this.
Nope fuck it, it is dead to me, if they do not openly insult the previous two seasons and "the message" and declare it not canon then they can shove a cactus up their ass.
Spoke with my wallet by dropping it, doing anything else will not keep the same message, we should not compromise on woke preaching bullshit.
I'm cautiously looking forward to seeing it myself. But I'm concerned that those behind the scenes don't actually see this as "the path forward". More like paying off a few of the more egregious bills to rebuild a little credit before going on another spending spree.
It ain't praising shit, this isn't Star Trek and it should be flushed like the Captain D's I had yesterday.
AMEN...Like Drinker said (extremely WELL), this positivity will NOT make up for the repeated & UNcreative cultural marxist sodomy perpetrated upon star trek, unless it remains consistent - and it won't. Yes, I WILL watch it. And Enjoy it. But Later. When it's FREE for ME. Somewhere else. When the 2nd or 3rd generation of owners have purchased the copywright to stream it. And i won't have to SPECIFICALLY pay to watch it. That's the BEST they can possibly get from me, no matter how good it supposedly is. For example, I won't support Marxism just because, TODAY, the bread line is shorter than yesterday. Too little, too late hollyweird. Besides, PlutoTV is streaming TOS, TNG, and DS9 for F R E E.
Not gonna lie, I like the dark bridge even when crewed, to me, a former sailor, we always kept major spaces that served as operations or navigation rooms darkened, lit only by blue or red lights to reduce eye strain, glare on screens, and limit any light leakage out of the ship to not give anything excess away, and there's plenty of other reasons. But I'm not sure if that's why they did it, but to me it feels more natural, but again, thats just me
That's a really cool insight. Thanks for that and your service (cliche as that likely sounds). I think, though, that in the darkness of space with close stars as background, the need to conceal a light signature wouldn't be a clear and present priority. Just my thought.
@@daveyjones7391 thank you, and yeah I could see that but that also sparked the thought, we already look to space to see if we see any "intentional" radiation signatures with dozens of satellites, so I could see a futuristic civilization like this to have sensors all over the ship monitoring for light or other radiation that would indicate a nearby civilized ship or planet? Just a thought though, would be really cool to see a sci-fi story include things like that
@@spazman8675309 I'll stipulate that advanced civilizations look for signatures of other sufficiently advanced civilizations. But I just think that on the scale of space travel, the low-level radiation emitted from a few-square-metre window wouldn't be the main giveaway; rather something like a warp signature, tachion radiation from wormhole creation/passage or transporter beam signatures would be the main focus. At any rate, thanks for your reply. 🍻
Served 4 years in the Navy as a Quartermaster. (Navigation) Yeah, the bridge needs to be dark for those great reasons.
If you think the bridge was dark, the Operations room was a Black Hole.
@@atomicwrath5824 can't recall, let alone cite, the source, but I'm pretty sure I've read that the dim bridge and such are modelled upon comparable shipboard navy stations IRL. If absolute accuracy were the objective, I'd imagine that starships would probably be darker than depicted on Star Trek as external detection would rely entirely on automated sensors with audio readouts and little to no naked-eye optics involved. I envision all duty uniforms worn by starship crew including assorted embedded technologies that provide said crew with relevant status reports via personal, specialty-specific HUDs, further reducing the need for significant shipboard illumination. But, I've been told I lack even a basic imagination so wadda I know...
I don't really know what you guys are watching. The first three episodes were NuTrek through and through. Sure, dialogues are a little bit better, but with the first two seasons having set the bar so low... it was not really that difficult.
Dude, Undiscovered Country was one of the best things to come out of original Trek, so it's nice to hear you reference it.
That's my favourite Trek movie!
Halfway through the season summary, I was thinking to myself “this sounds a lot like Undiscovered Country”
@@alannevin2490 The even-numbered films featuring TOS characters are the best! II, IV, & VI.
I'm not about to say I've 100% totally given up on Star Trek, but 1 step int he right direction isn't enough to change my tune.
It's the same old story; Kurtzman not making this one. Yet, after the Sugar-coating melts off the faeces-made-pill, you start seeing his finger prints all over, like: ST:Prodigy, ST:Lower Decks, ST:Strange New Worlds before it. The prior Two series were woeful, what with Data's daughters, Death of Q and Data, Picard is actually a robot. There's too much JJ Trek in this series, and a sense that the writer is a fan of STAR TREK is not really a lie, just not a fan of good, traditional Trek, but of his boss. For example, how did forget that there is no money used in the Federation.
Well bugger me! I’ve just watched the first seven episodes of season 3 and the unthinkable has happened, it’s actually good! Even better, it’s really good. I can barely remember season 1 and skipped season 2 altogether so no need to wade through the dross to dive on in. It feels good to be excited about trek again.
I think you may be that inured, uncaring viewer that doesn't like anything new because it's new. The good ol' days weren't always so good. I think you should take the fact that you enjoyed it and ride it, accept it, and appreciate stuff that isn't garbage from the onset. Picard *tried* to be about TNG, and never really deterred from that. At least they tried and made a good show of it.
Point in case: I grew up watching all Trek shows. I personally loved TNG. But I'm not above saying the new stuff had some good things to it, and that they were worth watching, even just once. Today's opinion is that everything has to cater to every single individual, but gets panned for trying. Bullshit is bullshit, I agree. But let's stop the needless bashing of something simply because it didn't cater specifically to you.
The "finding a way back" bit near the end reminds me of a domestic abuse victim wanting to remain with their abuser because they know they can be better and do better. It can be very healthy to seperate from someone or something that is a net negative on your life, and quite honestly it would be harmful to try and stay and work things out.
This does not mean that those folks are hopeless and doomed so to say, but realistically speaking, they should stay seperate to avoid ending up back where they were, which often happens more than rehabilitation sadly, and I see the same thing here.
This is not saying kill the past, since there was some good times to cherish, but to know when to let go and move on. These IPs are befouled so long as the bad actors in charge remain, and things still need time to fully divorce them from all of em.
Once hollywood and the like hits rock bottom and has a chance to properly self reflect and purge the cancer that has infeasted it, then things will turn for the better. For now its just like watching someone fresh out from rehab. Great to see em doing well, but Im not about to trust them with things for a fair amount of time.
I'm sorry but comments like this are just idiotic. This season is a one-off. There can be no more. Picard is over, it's the last season and stands alone from the other two, having nothing to do with them. It's not made by the same team as the other two seasons, it's made by a huge Trek fan, someone who hates Kurtzman Trek, so why are you conflating him and his team with the very villains he's saved the show from? This is what we've been waiting for for years, why wouldn't we enjoy it? Why not accept it as canon and watch it?
@@Scripture-Man I never said you could not enjoy it. My point was to not be so quick to run back to abusers just because they give you a small respite. Feel free to enjoy it for what it is, but all I see is the battered abuse victim waiting to get socked when things inevitably fall apart again.
Thankfully, corporations aren't people.
@@Hoganply Aye.
Top Gun Maverick was a rare instance of Hollywood making a great movie. I didn't think it could be done any more.
Love to hear the story of how Drinker got an advanced copy
He talked about it in Open Bar #38, he just contacted Terry Matalas and was given the show to review.
@@dominantprime Why did he do that after vowing not to review any more nu-trek?
@@shaggyalonso because other people who hate nu-trek said Picard S3 is good.
same as a bunch of others, outreach by desperate creators who spotted the frequent set of people online dismissing their shit writing the loudest.
They are professions running media-coverage channels, occasionally companies are looking for a bit of "free" publicity (or are trying to get back an audience they now realise they can't wantonly abuse indefinitely because the maniacs they were pandering to don't pay for TV subscriptions)
Gotta be honest, not a fan. I mean I trust the Drinker to be honest for the most part. But a ton of channels start small, get a following about being honest and then sell out later on as the channel grows.
Usually it's around the 1 million sub range, tons of Game Critic channels died around there.
Still baffled over how Annika is a Commander and First Officer here when, as of last season, she had never even attended Starfleet Academy.
Janeway is an admiral and unlike Picard still in active service. So I can fankwank this as her pulling strings to have 7s years of service on voyager to be considered.
@@4203105 Thank you for introducing me to the term 'fan wank'. Genuinely, it's a very helpful description of something I see all the time from neckbeards coping about why the writing in a show doesn't make sense.
Yup…but im sure people will defend it just like they defended kirk and spock commanding a ship out of the academy in jj trek.
Field comissions are a thing, both in Star Trek and real world militaries. Wesley Crusher, Nog, and Tom Paris all received field comissions despite not attending or finishing the academy. Given her experience and capabilities (and a close personal relationship with a flag officer), a field comission to Commander is perfectly reasonable for Seven.
Direct commissions are possible. They are only given to uniquely qualified individuals.
I don't care if they have a season that's the best star trek ever produced, I will never forgive any of them for what they did before.
I felt the same. That being said I would actually describe this as a soft reboot of the series. Don't forgive, sure, but do yourself a favour and watch it. I was completely converted.
Yeah, I don't think I can watch it. Since Discovery Star Trek has been on my blacklist. I'm a pretty big Trek fan, but I'd have to finish season 1 and watch season 2 to get to season 3. Somehow idt it would be worth it to me.
@@GibDozer1 you really don't need to bother with picard season 2 for continuity. In season 3 Captain Shaw recaps it as 'that bullshit with the borg." he's not wrong
@@GibDozer1 skip them all. Absolutely no need to watch any of it.
I was right there with you and other than this season alone the rest is hot garbage. This one though I think is a hail Mary and they are pulling out all the stops. It's a shame this is what season one should have been
To be absolutely honest, I never did like what they did to Seven in Voyager, and felt that her relationship with Chakotay came completely out of left field. In my opinion, a relationship between Janeway and Chakotay would have been more realistic.
I dont like she has to be in this either. Never liked her character too much to begin with.
There are rumours that as Chakotay's actor couldn't stand Sevens and that he was generally a pain to get along with - the writers created that relationship just to essentially troll him.
Why do shitty writers always pair off the (Ferengi emphasis) FEEmales, like they did with Troi in TNG S7, (Janeway was already married), Kira, Dax, Seven, Belanna?
In my mind, the idea that ANYONE would have a relationship with a simp like Chakotay is weirder than any science fiction.
I'm one of those people who think a relationship between Archer and T'pol would have worked better than her and Trip. There are hints of it too. Good chemistry between them.
Mate , your spot on , as an aging 53y old I watched the franchise go down hill faster than the sinking of the titanic , half way through discovery I gave up on that woke crap and Picard season 2 I also bailed on that as well , but since your generally hard on your reviews sometimes I’m going to take your opinion and give season 3 a whirl , if it’s shit - il be back 😂😂
As great as it is to see some quality out of it, it definitely feels too little too late. Firstly they’ve already completed their “deconstruction” of both the series and the character which poisons the well in doing so in the first place unless they reboot it and erase the “deconstruction” portions entirely from the canon. Secondly, it seems disingenuous now because these companies seem to only be beginning (key word there) to give what most fans want and not seemingly doing whatever they can to alienate their audiences that the economy is getting rough, people are leaving their properties in droves and in general, it seems only like they’re doing this because they have to and don’t really have any other choice, not that they want to actually put out real quality in the form of what the properties they’re making are generally meant to be about.
Sorry for the wall of text, but (at least in my own opinion), just because it’s good/better now doesn’t mean the audiences/fans should come back, or even forgive.
It is dangerous to refer something so much, as if Star Trek was Sacred text and dare not an unholy hand touch the sacred entity. There was a TON of bad trek before this. Start Trek the movie anybody? I dont care why they make a decent product, just as long as they do.
@@thecocktailian2091 The Motion Picture isn't bad. And even if it were, that would only because they tried new things that didn't work, not because the people behind it despite America and traditional Western culture and want to subvert expectations at every turn and deconstruct every hero until they're destroyed.
I'm really glad I watched this review because I had no intention of watching season 3. Episodes range from decent to absolutely fantastic. And Michael Dorn was so deapan hilarious, I dont know how the cast made it through some of those scenes without busting up laughing. Just great stuff. Frakes especially was a joy to watch again... great stuff. A number of things to criticise, but the overall effort is so enjoyable and such a huge improvement over its predecessors that I don’t have the heart to complain. It's worth a watch for sure.
I was also created in 1966. I feel like I grew up with the spirit of Star Trek in me. I really miss Gene Roddenberry's optimistic view that's been lost over time. Jarr Jarr Abrams really took a giant 💩 on this franchise that I love so much. I was so disappointed with Picard seasons 1&2. I'm hoping the TNG crew can bring some of that back.
Thank you Critical Drinker for your comical and deeply thoughtful insight. Most excellent! 👍
the 1960s were def a more hopeful time. that optimism (or lack of in 2023) is a reflection on our media.
hopefully the tv show picard can once more save the trek universe this time from being cancelled.
@@unplugged123 the real 1960s were much, much darker than now. Imagine being on the brink of nuclear holocaust at any time. The Iron Curtain. Wars and coups on every continent. Genocides.
Will Jordan is a masterful thinker, writer, and speaker. When he said, "It can be done... There has to be a way back.", I almost burst into tears. Here's a start: I nominate Will Jordan for First Minister of Scotland.
He's great.🍺
He should have disclosed in the video that he was invited by Paramount to see the first six episodes of STP season 3.
Although my vote means nothing due to my being Australian, I heartily add it to the tally.
I know that Will is not exactly the Drinker but if he's not a complete bampot who loves a swally in real life I'll be really disappointed.
@@Zeruyu it's not out yet, it's pretty obvious that he got an in somewhere. We know he's not a shill
By supporting Picard season 3 it sends a message to this company and every other one that it’s OK to bastardize our culture. Because the fans WILL always come back. No, I won’t be a party to this. Walking away isn’t giving up. It’s having some damn self-respect.
Agreed
Or, it sends the message that they might be rewarded for actually making good shit. I know that's a strange concept for some of them, but maybe a few of them will learn. Slowly.
Episode one, season 3 was awesome. Period.
@@Hensepens64 what exactly was so awesome?
This is stupid. Watch the show if it's good.
I just finished watching season 3. Amazing! The best Star Trek I have seen since Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise. Just an amazing achievement that came out of nowhere. I loved it! I never watching the first two seasons because I didn't want to ruin Star Trek for myself. I really hope they do a spin off with Seven and the new crew, AND keep it as good as this 3rd season was. Great review by the way. Totally agree on everything. Writing was great. Every episode felt like a movie. LOVED the characters, especially Riker. Everyone had their time in the sun. Just an amazingly well made series. I was so happy, I didn't know what to do. lol!
I was done with it after season 1. Star Trek, Star Wars, Marvel, DC, Disney all lost me. I won't willingly go back because of the way they have treated me as a consumer.
I understand that. I have only watched The Mandalorian, it wasn't great, it was OK.
But the thing is, if they actually do something GOOD that deserves to be called Star Wars or Star Trek like this Picard S3, we don't send the message to the creators that that's the way.
@@valrond My whole thing about that is that it equates to us making excuses for being in an abusive relationship. "Oh sure he hits me, but he brought me flowers one time, so that was nice", "oh sure she cheats on me, but she did cook a wonderful meal one time". To me it doesn't send the right message to give them praise when they have treated us and our fandoms as trash for multiple years. We can't keep going back to them and giving them our time and money when they do a little something "right". But of course, that is just my humble opinion.
Strange new worlds and this refreshed Picard 3 are a direct result of your protests. You won. Now enjoy the benefits.
Was so disappointed by the first two seasons, I'm still nervous about this .... but God, what a relief to hear the good news.
Waste of time for any sane person who didn't watch the first two seasons
@@general_prodigy Your opinion is based on ???
But this is still Kurtzman-trek, they caved in just enough to trick an average joe into thinking that Picard is back to being Star Trek, but it is still unmistakably the same old thing. Just look at how Starfleet can't afford lightbulbs. This is not Star Trek.
@@one_step_sideways Don't forget lesbians and f-bombs. Still the same Trek but with Next Generation music. Eat it up, consumers!
@@one_step_sideways I do take issue with the dark lighting on the bridges. It's unnecessary and just too dark. We're not on Reman ships, you know! ;P
I wish the last thing that Q had done at the end of Season 2 was make Picard human again. As a type of parting gift from an old friend.
The fact that Q of any character was killed off is fucking mind-boggling
@@TheMarshmelloKing Q, Data and Picard being killed off can only mean one thing. The writers hate everything we like.
Picarnocchio
@@flameshana9 hence my refusal to ever go near it ever again.
After episode two I am no longer optimistic about this season. Yes, it is better than most of the other series but rolling out one violent dimly lit scene after another then hiding a ship in a nebula to avoid a superior enemy to protect Picard's son makes me die a little on the inside. There are clever callbacks then there are crutches and Star Trek at times cannot tell the difference.
Way too little.....WAAAAYYYYY too late this is the last spark before the fire goes out forever
Are Kurtzman and his posse gone? And if they are - in case this season succeeds, can they be un-gone, like Kurtzman did before?
Without those questions answered, I am not going to invest in NuTrek even with Drinker, Gary, RMB, Az and RLM collectively dancing around it in Hawaiian straw skirts.
I won't budge even if Longman does it.
@@drt1605 I know, actually I enjoyed their review of Ep 1 today. Just anticipating in their case a bit, because trust me, I carry all their S1 and S2 podcasted putdowns on my phone to cheer me when I'm down.
@@drt1605 I know. Thing is, people wanted Star Trek to be good again so much... I cannot really blame anyone for giving positive reviews... within reason of course.
Star trek has been basterised, no coming back from that
Nope. I think you got this one wrong. Three episodes in, I had to stop. I don't know who Patrick Stewart is playing, but it isn't Picard. Every character is a pastiche of the old version, but the final straw came with the "secret daddy" plot device! Aaaaaaaaaaaaah! FFS! How many times? How many effing times are we going to endure the same old devices trotted out. It was embarrassing to watch.
Too late for me...far too late. I'm just going to stick to watching reruns of TNG.
I got excited when you mentioned Conspiracy. That thread was left hanging, and I hope it comes into play.
I will maintain that they knew what fans wanted the whole time, they just, for whatever reason, have decided not to.
I agree with your commentary. I felt that Season 3 was overall worth my time, and do recommend it to folks hesitant on New Trek.
Honestly, I think the showrunners kinda recognized the issues. Season 3 gives reminders of the approximately two-and-a-half things you need to remember from Season 1. (Only thing missed is Raffi's background with Jean Luc, so folks just joining in will probably be lost as to why everyone knows her already.) I couldn't say if there were reminders of Season 2 as I didn't watch it.
Wait, so Picard show is still in production? Literally forgotten about this over a year ago. 😂
After part of the third episode of seaon two, I wish I could have forgotten it... Season one was pretty poor, but what I could bear to watch from season two... Who boy...
@Michael Vink haven't seen a single episode, but wish I could just erase it from my memories.
Star Trek for me was all about hope and giving me the strength to get though a day. What they have done to this show and others is unforgivable. I'll give it a cupple of hours but to be honest they burnt the fans so much I don't think many will come back.
I gave up after two episodes of season two, and had no intention of watching this season, but I am now going to give it a try. Thanks, Drinker.
You may have given up, but even season 2 had a good conclusion. It wasn't a part of season 3, which kinda baffles me. But, it was almost a retcon of season 2 in everything but name.