Drinker's Chasers - Picard Season 3: Fan Service Done Right
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- Fan service has become kind of a dirty term in recent years, usually because of cynical writers and showrunners who try to use it to elevate mediocre products. But Star Trek Picard showed that it can still be done right.
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"It was an anomaly that we will never see again." You are correct, Gary.
it got Kurtzman and company renewed. All they had to do was make one season of memberberries to trick the silly fans into watching again. Now they get control of the franchise for another 7 years during which they will produce the same terrible content they've been making since 2017. And the four foolish "critics" on this livestream will be making dough b-ching about it, despite the fact they helped make it happen with their glowing reviews.
Jinx. Read this as he said it!
@LikeIGiveADamn I think you're right. I was sad back when Enterprise got cancelled but I just accepted it because like you said they have told every story possible and we had a good long run with lots of hours of entertainment so after the initial sadness I could say goodbye to that chapter. This was just an unexpected bonus and I'm happy to never watch any new Trek again
@@adrianmizen5070 Who hurt you, miss?
@@laurarules3642 As sad as it can be for a franchise you love to come to an end, it’s even more saddening to see it drag on and on. Simpsons and SpongeBob have gone on well past their prime for years, and Star Trek looks like it’ll be doing the same.
The biggest scene for me, in the whole of Season 3, was Data putting his hand on Picard's shoulder after failing, and even understanding the reason why it's impossible, to say consoling words. Data finally being able to give his friend Jean-Luc the emotional support, that Jean-Luc gave him when he lost his own daughter Lal. I was just sitting there stunned. Beautiful scene.
That was brilliant. Exactly the sort of thing that has been lacking from all other new Treks.
Mikey Spock......waaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!
Season 3 of Picard basically overwrites the other two seasons completely for a lot of good reasons: *(Spoilers by the way)*
- Season 2 tried to bring the Borg and make them part of the Federation. Thankfully, this was never even referenced in Season 3 almost as if the idea in Season 2 was dropped.
- Q's return in Season 3 was all but worth it instead of the rough train ride that Season 2 tried to do to him (although John De Lancie still did a great job).
- Seven of Nine was treated appropriately as a character in season 3 (As now Captain and overall character growth from Voyager).
- They actually made Raffi likable in this. The execution of her character was horribly done in the prior seasons.
- Data's revival is WAY Better than Season 1's "all androids are evil" concept.
- The Borg were treated as a dying relic in this season (literally a final cube rotting in Jupiter), a leftover product from Janeway's actions to rid of them in the Voyager finale.
- Kurtzman had far less involvement in Season 3 and it certainly shows. That should give a hint to Paramount.
- The soundtrack is utterly amazing for this season.
Shaw did in fact reference the fact of the Borg Incident in Season 2 when he was in Guinan's holodeck bar scene PTSD'ing WOLF 359 when he says, "Forget about that weird shit that happened on board the Stargazer . . .the 'real' Borg are still out there . . ." I watched another youtube channel make note of this and so the notion was not completely 'ret-conned'
In other words, Terry Matalas "righted the ship", after Kurtzman ran it around.
The part of Shaw saying "forget about the Stargazer, the real Borg are out there". Alludes to Matalas saying, seasons 1 and 2, are appalling at best, and I understand why you're upset; so basically forget what happened and give me a fair chance on what Star Trek Picard should be.
I was a big fan of Voyager but I can't remember after which season I sort left it behind meaning I didn't see any of 7 Of 9's involvement or of the Borg "demise"... coupled with that I was only an occasional watcher of Deep Space Nine and had no knowledge of the Dominion War and so basically had to just "go along with the story" ... I enjoyed Picard Season 3 even with the occasional "what the hell?" moments and it was great seeing the Enterprise D again AND a poker game at the end ...
However, I'm mixed with Q and the "guess what's next" teaser...
@@dagdabreemie Thank you for pointing it out. I missed that part. :)
Kurtzman yelling at writers of his shows: "Terry Matalas made Picard season 3 from scraps, in a cave!"
Kurtzman's writing room: "We're not Terry Matalas..."
I understood that reference
Great comment Lol
I think fans would probably put Matalas in Kurtzmans job if they could right now.
Working in that cave with spare parts, all those constraints, he did what Kurtzman has tried and failed to do time and again.
I say give Matalas a few more projects, if he continues to do this well, fire Kurtzman and give Matalas the keys. Picard S3 was the first season of Star Trek in decades where I felt they actually liked and understood Star Trek.
If this wasn't rookie luck and Matalas can do it again consistently.... Welp... There's your new franchise boss.
Lol well said!
Even the ending shot of them just playing poker together was a nice touch.
Agreed, although I was hoping Data would say 'No help for the Klingon'.
That was soured for my by Guinan being "just off camera". Getting Whoopy Goldberg back for a 5 minute shoot couldn't have been expensive. Unless she just refused outright after she saw Picard season 2. I mean she is a star trek fan first and foremost.
What about his girlfriend waiting for him? Why are they in Guinans bar again? It was poorly written nostalgia bait.
A little corny, but not ridiculously so.
@@writerpatrick agreed
Season 3 managed TWO huge things Star Wars failed at - get the old guard together and given them a proper send off while ALSO introducing us to a new group we care about and want to see more of.
I thought I was going to hate Shaw at first, but by the end he was my favorite new character.
Of course, they killed him off.
I agree with your first point, don't agree at all with the second.
@El Bearsidente Bore off troll.
Many berries were membered
@El Bearsidente 🤡
I agree. The Titan should stay the Titan and Riker should have gotten an Enterprise.
The most emotional moment was the voice of Majel as the 1701-D computer, which was really surprising to me. Hearing her made me cry; probably because knowing she had a big heart and because her voice connected TNG, DS9 and VOY with each other. And also because with the raise of AI in our lives it is another aspect with which Star Trek predicted the future. What the characters in TNG, DS9 and VOY queried with "Computer: ..." we do today with tools like ChatGPT and the so called "prompts".
I was happy to hear her voice too. She did also voice the computer in TOS and I believe the animated series as well.
Hmmmm...you left out the original Star Trek. Not only did she portray Number One and Nurse Chapel, she was also the voice of the Enterprise computer as well
Wow....
I loved that the characters even mentioned missing her voice as they left the bridge. Matalas et al really got where we as fans would be coming from.
If Majel Barrett was alive, I doubt she would have agreed to lend her voice. Alex Kurtzman has kicked her husband's legacy into the ground, turning Star Trek into a dark, dystopian and violent universe. Gene Roddenberry would have been appalled at the state of the modern shows. In honour of her husband, I think she would have made her feelings known. Maybe she would have lent her support to The Orville? Then again, maybe she wasn't as passionate about Gene's vision as Gene was? She did after all endorse Deep Space Nine.
Shaw was my favorite character. Would have liked to see more of him.
And of course, they killed him off.
While he was patently too mentally unstable to ever have risen to the rank of captain, he was, at least, interesting.
@@JMUDoc Having issues does not make you mentally unstable. At no point was it demonstrated that his rational capacity was compromised. Picard also struggled with his issues. As do many modern veterans. That does not stall their career necessarily.
They let Picard back into the fleet after he was borged up and destroyed dozens of Star Fleet ships. Should have been a career ending on a station or landlocked on a planet.
He was also the only one who behaved like a Star Fleet officer on kost occassions.
Shaw was a 21st century character.
On a basic level. Terry knew not to shit all over beloved characters & gave them emotional weight & active input within the story. Unlike Abrams butchering SW
so nepotism and mary sue bs is good writing? come on man xD this season was pretty all over the place in terms of story, it made no sense so many plot holes i can go on and on
People say this, but everyone was giving picard grief... yes they weren't blaming him for the genocide of an entire planet this season... but Beverly saying that he was too dangerous to have a child with at 60 because he was too much of a lose cannon and a target didn't make sense to me... Shaw's Complete bile spitting hatred all season was unnecessary. Riker screaming "you've killed us all" at him and the best one, Geordi's anger at him for endangering his children.. so they were still shitting on picard all season as usual... it was just hidden amongst the memberberries..
@@Ma55ey yuupp really an odd choice
Man this makes me feel old. I remember my best friend telling me, "Have you seen that new Star Trek show? It has a new captain who's bald and a new Enterprise! It's really cool!"
I can actually remember sitting on the living room floor, watching the series premier of TNG with my mom when I was only 3 or 4 years old. It might be my first clear memory, and I remember thinking it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen.
So far my opinion hasn't changed.
An old ex-father figure of mine passed away last year, and he adored TNG, and hated Picard... So, yeah... this was a tough watch at certain points for me.
Also, (spoilers) the "Anton Chekov" moment hit me like a punch in the gut. I just didn't expect it.
Matalas also kind of tapped into the current state of the world without being preachy: He covered how people feel isolated, alone, and how many people don't know where they fit in, and so they LOOK for a family if they don't have one,... and he made young people into a literal brain-washed mob!
I nearly lost it last night watching it! What a touching tribute to have Walter Koenig voice Pavel Chekhov's son and have him named "Anton" in Anton Yelchin's memory.
@@cammyboy011 Fuck. I didnt catch that, the episode just got even better.
@@cammyboy011
It took me a second because I heard Walter's voice and was confused how Chekov could possibly still be a alive. THEN I caught the Anton. That was cooler than hell. Very classy.
How can ANYONE hate Picard?
@@cammyboy011 Yeah, I caught that, too. Really nice touch.
The scene a few episodes before where Picard is telling stories to some junior officers while he's eating lunch, where we get to see that Jack actually did go to see him was an absolute gut punch. I knew then every episode going forward was going to do Trek proud.
One of a handful of moments that got me 😢
Best scene
The whole part with Picard saying that he'd finally found the missing part of himself in having a son, and a family other than his Enterprise crew, was by current Hollywood standards hyper conservative.
It also sucked, because Picard never needed that. He was a great single character, back in the 80s when you couldn't escape "family values". That has been spoiled now.
You're seriously saying "family" is a conservative value? Do you even hear yourself?
@@O1OO1O1 he said by Hollywood standards
@@4203105 - married to your job doesn’t work when you’re 80 years old and don’t have that job anymore and the only person in your life is your Romulan housekeeper.
@@Sam_T2000 a **hot** Romulan housekeeper 😏
The Titan earned it's name under Shaw, Seven and the that crew. It shouldn't have been renamed.
I was sure they were going to call it the Picard
They 100% should not have renamed that ship.
Agree totally on this. This was a fault.
Agreed
@@Doooooooooooood Renaming her into Picard, i could live with it. But the Enterprise F wasn't so old at that time, that she would be decommisioned
Brent Spiner can be the new Kang, he’s got enough variants.
I feel the Enterprise-D being put it a museum is fitting. Starfleet could keep using her, but at this point she's become so legendary that's it's best to retire her and have her on display to be visited and admired for future generations.
The Galaxy-class is so roomy, you could turn the entire thing into a museum _ship_
My first thoughts when they activated the D again: FINALLY! A ship bridge with LIGHTS on it. I really don't like those dark bridges. Why can't they make a bridge, where i can see the crew?
@@Anthyrion because if the nutrek bridges were bright, we would be able to see all the crying tears on the emotional crews faces but laugh harder at it.
@@Anthyrion and a proper amount of lighting, not like the Kelvin-timeline ship where the bridge was lit up brighter than an Apple Store with lens flares in every corner. Also no holographic displays, imagine how hard it would be to read your monitor if it was semi-transparent and you had to look at everything happening on the other side of it?
@@zerrodefex Yep. That's one of the many problems of the Kelvin timeline.
But at least the movies were mostly fun to watch and the characters were likeable unlike those from Discovery
I think we are all eagerly awaiting Red Letter Medias final review of Season 3
Poor Rich might have to eat off that Star Trek decorative plate
No we don't. Their reviews are worthless.
@@Сайтамен Speak for yourself.
@@quercus3290 Nah, they're right, RLM are boomers who hate everything, and it's all a gimmick anyway.
@@Сайтамен Boomers and Consoomers(most often very single) loves RLM.
Picard Season 3 is basically the only season that exists for me. Can't help but feel Matalas Trojan horsed Kurtzman by including a few links to the previous shitty seasons but ultimately most of the characters jettisoned; not even a call back for Data's daughter, not even a mention to Data. Absolute win for the viewers but I am sad we couldn't have two incredible seasons hinting and building up to the epic plot. Imagine if we had a more few seasons Imagine if Picard was teaching at the academy and also continuing his interest in archeology. Imagine Picard and Jake Cisco rescuing his Ben Cisco from the fire caves after all this time. Imagine an epic showdown with the Q continuum involving the wanderer Wesley Crusher. So many squandered potential plot lines.
Those could all be pretty cool, but I was never able to accept that Wesley Crusher was some super-genius chosen one Keannu Reeves. No person of such immense intellect and potential would have that bland a personality.
@@Durzo1259 I honestly cant disagree on that point and based upon what i have seen of will wheaton's adult acting and having listened to his audio book narrative efforts it could truly be a disaster; maybe a good example of when a recasting is needed lol
@@life-yi2ij Will is also the most woke of all the actors, to a truly annoying degree. 😂
Kurtzman is a hack
No, Kurtzman Trojan Horsed Matalas. Kurtzman is still in charge, and the popularity of this season just got his contract extended to do whatever else damage he wants to the franchise. Nostalgic fans were played.
It'd be great if Star Trek Picard Season 3 started with Picard waking up from a bad dream that is Seasons 1 and 2.
only way to make him not dead
We all did! 😂
That's pretty much what they did - EVERYTHING from S2 was disregarded.
What happened to Laris after ep1?
Why did they say "the Borg haven't been heard from in thirty years", when S2 was ALL ABOUT THE BORG?
"Have this to wash it down."
That would be my plan for Star Wars and Doctor Who as well.
What Terry Matalas has done with the absolut ruins that Star Treck Picard was, reminds me of Tony Stark building a fusion reactor from scraps in a cave. And I bet Amazon can't wait to get their sticky hands on it to squeeze some message out of the new fan attention that they didn't earn. Just like Obadiah Stane stealing Tony's ARC reactor to power HIS suit - "It was fate that you survived. You had one last golden egg to give".
The End of the last Episode... that Poker table alone.... I think the Crew finally got a worthy send off.
There were many stupid moments, which took me out of the series repeatedly, but the high points felt very high, maybe because we're all so jaded at what came before.
Yeah, every time I saw something cool, I was like "OK, this is the bait, where's the hook?". I stuck it out until the end, but I found myself able to enjoy very little of it.
First half was good, but when Riker threw the asteroid at the other ship I knew things were going downhill.
Starving, rather than jaded, for the old Trek!
Yeah, this season's plot was really dumb/unoriginal, but the legacy characters were treated with respect and reverence instead of being belittled and killed/replaced. It could have been so much more, but it could have been much worse. It's better than anything else that has come out lately, but that's a low bar to clear. Very frustrating.
If the last 15 or 20 years of trek hadn't been complete garbage this probably would have only been "ok". But all things considered it was pretty solid.
7:59 Dave's Picard impersonation is brilliant.
Yes, that was an uncannily excellent impression :)
It sounded like Tom Hardy doing Picard. I laughed harder than I should have.
As to the Enterprise D's age, the Excelsior class vessels were in service for around a hundred years and were one of the federations' main work horses during the dominion war.
It produced something that other trek or star wars couldn’t … a rewatchable moment. Watching them get on the old enterprise again was awesome.
I put Picard S3 up there with Andor for SW, a one off good season that inexplicably does things right and keeps it simple, ...and sadly its looking like won't be repeated in either franchise.
I just finished watching season 3. Amazing! The best Star Trek I have seen since Next Gen, DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise. Just an amazing achievement that came out of nowhere. I loved it! I never watching the first two season because I didn't want to ruin Star Trek for myself. I really hope they do a spin off with Seven and the new crew, AND keep it as good as this 3rd season was. Great take on everything guys.
Terry Matalas just sent a love letter to all TNG fans who had loved and lost their Trek. The perfect sign off.
Agreed!
“For once I don’t feel like drowning my sorrows in Toilet Duck. This calls for a celebration. Break out the turpentine!”
Just goes to show. It's not about budget or what you have to work with. It's about storytelling skill and passion about the material.
I caught myself tearing up a handful of times during S3. I had no interest in watching it, but a good review by a trusted source brought me back, and from ep1 to ep10 I was hooked. It was amazing. 👏
2:00 hearing the late Majel Barrett as the ships computer again made me feel emotional in a way I didn't realize, and I think that did that intentionally. They really gave her the space to allow the audience to realize they haven't heard this voice since at LEAST 2008. It was really tender and sweet to have Majel there in that way again.
They had done massive work to preserve Majel Barrett as the computer voice before her death. It was intended for her to "always" be the voice of the computer. Then, nuTrek declined to use that work and have her replaced. This cameo is NOT how it was supposed to be. Every computer on every Starfleet ship and starbase was supposed to have her voice.
It didn't even register with me. But then again I rewatched TNG recently, so hearing her voice is just kinda normal to me.
@@Wodenshot My guess is that it’s a rights issue. Using a digital facsimile of Majel’s voice would probably require cutting Rod Roddenberry a royalty check.
@@HawkGTboy I've heard speculation about this and it would make a lot of things make a lot more sense across Paramount's Star Trek.
Star Trek Continues show is a lot more faithful to the OG Star Trek series nowadays.
Considering it was made by professionals, the sons of the OC actors, and some of the surviving OC actors themselves, that series should be considered officially canon.
(Not a Star Terk fan but I watched and enjoyed it, along with noticing the positive reviews and the efforts of the people that made it.)
Continues is great! I visited the set a couple months back and filmed it. They give free tours once a month and it's amazing!
Infinitely more Faithful! Go watch that!
Thank you.
For me, Star Trek came of age with TNG, DS9 and Voyager. With TNG, Gene Roddenberry was able to realise his vision more fully than the OS, in my opinion.
The shot on the Borg cube after Picard and Jack come out of the matrix and Troi is like I know where they are and the ship comes in and you get that shot under it. Amazing. One of my favorite shots in cinematic.
I didnt think this show could make me tear up any more, but it absolutely did more than once. Ro Laren was Picard's child in all but blood and seeing her brought back instantly made me see theyve got a writer who gets the fans!
The final episode did have some ridiculous occurences, but the characters were done justice. Everyone felt pretty much like they should have at this point in their lives. Too bad we didn't get 3 seasons of this.
not really. Picard wasnt picard at all. All this "family blablabla FATHER blablabla" nonsense was completely out of character
Yep, almost all action scenes are illogical/ridiculous but the characters are well done, well played and the story is not bad imo
The season felt almost like a tng movie.. but was still crammed with kurtzmanisms for me to sit and enjoy it.. as much as i didnt like the season I think it was a better send of for the cast than Nemesis..
I wish they had brought back the Colm Meaney to scream "Oh bloody hell" a few times.
🤣
As for the renaming of the Titan to the Enterprise. I'm one of those people who believe it is bad luck to rename a ship. When a ship is named it goes into the Ledger. That's Ledger with a capital L. Renaming a ship may mean you're trying to slip something past the Ledger and that will have dire consequences for you in the long run.
The U.S.S Yorktown was renamed, look what we got from that.
It’s a crime that Sisko and DS9 never got at least one movie.
I don't want them to touch DS9
@@voutsider190 Obviously not. Brooks might not even want to at this point.
Can you imagine if they did a sisko series.. sisko arrives to find jake an old drunk who beats his wife and kids because his father left him.. Casidy, a single mother forced Into prostitution to support her child.. The bajoran people now occupying cardassia... and learning that the pa wraiths were actually the good guys...... errm no thanks Kurtzman.. you carry on trying to make your section31 show instead..
There was just one moment to be careful off…the shot at the end of the 4 women on the Titan looking bold and fearless and then straight to Geordie, Data and Worf snoring on the enterprise. A little glimpse as to where the new 7 series will go. I mean Jack has zero chance with 7, Raffi and the La Forge sisters there to put him in his place.
When the original 7 characters were sitting at the conference table on the Titan... that was enough for me! The script even knew it! Seeing them back on the D...!
And JJ couldn't/wouldn't put three characters together on screen for even a minute. I've literally sworn off that man's work forever.
They should have renamed the Titan to the USS Picard and then have a line from Jack saying to his old man "I hope you don't mind but I'm keeping my Mums surname or this is going to be weird"
You know I agree that would have worked better, but with the Enterprise F anyways destroyed after the borg takeover, Enterprise G seems like a decent enough choice to me, no big problems
I really think you have to be dead to have a ship named for you.
@@LB-gz3ke Technically...he is 😆
Just finished watched it, i initially stopped after S1. but the talk of S3 made me go give it a try, and i am so happy you all spread the word of this, it was great, the feeling of seing OLD beloved characters, doing their thing, finding their characters again, it was incredible to watch, the new characters added to the show, not dragging it down as we so often have seen, they did not outshine the old, but matched or possibly looked up to these legends of Starfleet.. It left me feeling so happy when it was all said and done.
Fuck that last scene of them playing cards, was so good to me.. Old friends reunited after so long, imagine if we had gotten something like that with Han, Leia & Luke.
I actually think the line "I was waiting on that vineyard to die" (and the fan service in S3 in general) carries a lot more weight after S1&2, because it's almost openly admitting to the creative mistakes they made so that redemption of the character felt more rewarding.
I'd give the season a solid 7 out of 10. I did think there was a bit of jarring nostalgia bait and as Gary says some contrivances but it did the most important thing which was to give Picard and the TNG crew the send-off/happy ending they deserved and undo a lot of the mistakes in S1&2 (even down to Q making a brief but gratifying reappearance). It was just a good trip down memory lane, plus I liked some of the new additions too.
Really interested to hear what RedLetterMedia think about it.
I hardly get emotional...even with my own family, but I nearly cried when the crew stepped back onto the bridge one last time.
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I absolutely agree the Titan-A should never have been renamed. We saw the Enterprise-F for what, 20seconds? Pointless. Should have done a reverse thing where Picard thought jack was going on board the enterprise-F but says he belongs on the Titan.
Yall are giving this half-ass nostalgia bump far too much credit... but perhaps yall are really into flying into the borg deathstar...
Yeah it was total nonsense, is was practically an insult.
The borg used to be a collective. You couldn't kill them all, or even destroy their whole ship, because each one was just one small component. Now they're all centralized around a single queen, and the entire borg cube was destroyed by a single weak point.
A severely weakened cube on its last legs. Not in its prime at all.
Bingo. I was terrified as a child anytime the Borg came up. They were a force that could be escaped, or possibly slowed, but never understood, never reasoned with. And then Voyager and First Contact humanized them into simple faction with weak points to exploit.
This was the Borg on their last legs ... damaged, ruined and desperate. ...
The Cube was only 30% functional ... and the drones were rotting and mostly dead.
Did you even watch the show??
@@martynstembridge7714
Oh so the most dangerous and destructive enemy in Star Trek is now on it’s last legs .
Yes Star Trek is a rotting corpse right beside Star Wars
@Martyn Stembridge did you watch the show? The cube lowered its shields and rolled out the red carpet for the enterprise when they could have just sat there and done nothing. Episode was dumb and nonsensical.
It was supposed to be a farewell to the TNG cast, it felt more like a farewell to Star Trek.
It was a farewell from me. Good riddance until someone kicks out the current creative team or a studio with deep pockets scoops it up.
I think ist what's known as a death rattle.. not sure why it got so much praise but there you go.. if anything you could say that it might have been a better send off for the tng cast than Nemesis... but that's not really saying much...
It was more of the close of a chapter for me. The Star Trek story goes on. There will always be new voyages, more strange new worlds to explore and more new civilisations to discover.
This season of Picard is everything the Star Wars sequel trilogy wanted to be. I cried when they revealed the great Enterprise D
Same. After so many reimaginings and reboots and “subverted expectations”, it was an emotional thing to have the ship back, exactly as she was.
it brought back all those teenage years of mine when I stayed up late to watch TNG at midnight. Couldn't help by smile like a child when that view of the Enterprise D through the star dock gates
@@AvoidTheCadaver When those lights came on, highlighting the 1701 - D, I started tearing up
Exactly…even if it took them three seasons to get it right at least the penny dropped eventually and they got there in the end. Disney will never, ever understand.
I absolutely LOVED Picard season 3. I’ve never watched season 1-2 and they don’t exist in my world.
11:10 to go back even further, the HMS victory was something like 25-30yrs old at the battle of trafalgar in 1805 and still took on newer Spanish and French first rates, as well as the world's first 4 deck first rate the santissima trinidad.
Using the napoleonic age as an example, if it takes 6 or 7 years to build a ship, it needs to last.
And we still have B-52 bombers from the Vietnam War flying today.
I still feel bad for waking up my neighbour's yapping terrier at 1:30 AM, when I belly laughed at "Swords are fun."
The Data/Lore 'battle' scene was really good and hit right😮❤🎉
When Jack asks Picard in the bar if he ever had a family outside of Star Fleet and Picard rebuffs him, that scene hit hard. Loved it.
One of the main issues with Seasons 1 and 2, was that Patrick Stewart had WAY too much creative control and input. In Season 3, it was all taken out of his hands and he was just an actor this time.
Odd thing but every time I see the ds9 episode where sisko is taken out of time and his son sees this happen and he cries every time his father pops in briefly I have a storm of tears every single time I see the episode I just break down completely it's the only episode on star trek that gets this much water works out of me.
My heart breaks for siskos son because how powerful the performance was and can put myself in his place.
Star trek or star wars simply no longer get this reaction from me anymore.
I can't belive that after that episode they still left jake standing staring into space wondering where his father was...
@@Ma55ey indeed!
My health is falling apart, my own body is betraying me, I can not wait 10 years for them to get their shit together.
Heartbreaking 😔
They should be treating the Galaxy class just like they did the Excelsior class back in the day. Have it as an old reliable workhorse
I rather like the Enterprise D's form better, on an aesthetic level. Everything after is trying too hard to look sleek and high tech.
I'm guessing they thought that people would be confused if they saw other galaxy class ships flying around.. lol
Data and Geordi's scene about their friendship is pure Star Trek.
After the producers AND actors called us all kinds of things you still creep back...
Big fan of Picard season 3, and appreciate those who did the work to get it done.
I watched it, I was quite a bit more emotional than I expected, especially when the Enterprise D appeared on screen!
I thought they could have filmed a scene in which the Starfleet admiral in the first season that said, "Sheer fucking hubris" to Picard was arrested as a changeling.
this episode was embarrassing, that mediocrity is being praised reveals how low this has fallen
The biggest success of this season, I think, is that they actually got the new legacy characters over properly by having them enhance and be enhanced by the original TNG cast. I actually like Jack Crusher and Sidney LaForge and I would like to see more of them, and a big part of that is that Jack and Sidney aren't spotlight hogs who are perfect at everything.
i agree. there is new life in this timeline. some characters are still fit to do cameos or support roles (Riker, LaForge, SoN), and the young ones looked pretty good, i mean, J.Crusher's actor can act...and the women weren't insufferable either.
Did anyone else notice that with 7 having Raffi as her first officer when she takes command of the Enterprise-G, it's basically setting up the same dynamic in the Orville? Who's copying who now?
This season of Picard was the first time in my life where I got to look forward all week to the "new Star Trek episode" coming out!
This season brought back great memories of me as a kid with my Dad and brother watching the TV show together. I've never cried before watching Star Trek, but I sure did this season. It was as close to perfect as you can get.
I remember hearing that when Paramount was pitching the show to Patrick Stewart, one of the things he didn't want was the series to be a TNG crew reunion show and just a continuation of TNG. He wanted Picard to be a character study with a different approach. The first two season definitely went that route and failed gloriously because of it.
It's funny, because Patrick Stewart doesn't seem to understand what made TNG Picard appeal to so many.
@@mroctober3657 From how it sounded, he was done with Picard and had no interest coming back to do the same old thing again. He wanted to do something different and "explore the character." He wanted Picard to be a character driven show instead of a show about a space crew having adventures. That's why the first two seasons were so into looking into Picard's history and psyche. It was a risk and it failed. At least he was humble enough to acquiesce to giving the fans what they wanted after seeing the first two seasons fail so badly.
@@swordmonkey6635 Yeah, even in the movies he was always pushing for Picard to be more of an action hero and more emotional. I'm glad we got season 3.
You forgot that season 1 and 2 of Picard were crap because that's how Patrick wanted it to be. The restrictions he put on the creative led to that garbage. Season 3 worked because Terry finally convinced Patrick to do it his way.
This. Just because an actor played an iconic role, speaking words written for him by other people, it doesn't mean he has the first idea about where the character should go story-wise in sequels. Totally different skill-sets. If Stewart had written a series of excellent Picard novels and demonstrated real aptitude for it then great, but that's not this timeline.
Anyone else motive the computers voice on the Enterprise D? Swear it was the original voice actress playing it🤔
When the Enterprise came out of warp next to Jupiter, I actually shouted "f**k yeah!".
I've never done that to a TV show before.
I thought "ships don't use warp drive inside solar systems".
But since when do _Star Trek_ writers care about established _Star Trek_ canon...
@@JMUDoc See Star Trek IV The Voyage Home.
@@JMUDoc I'm so glad I wasn't the only one to remember this from TMP. Science fused with cold hard sci-fi...back when intelligent writers took care of these things - and we got an exciting planetary flyby as a result. But nahhhh - it'll be fine.
@@gimmeboobes I like to think that with a much smaller ship, and the need to go as fast as possible, with only 2 planets in the way between Earth and the Sun, that on this occasion warp within a star system was less risky....maybe?
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Ships don’t use warp in solar systems
Star Trek 4 they had to time travel and there were only two planets between them and the sun
There was a lot of cheese, and I didn't care. Treating our old heroes with love and respect was enough. It's a long time since I enjoyed Star Trek. I REALLY enjoyed Season 3.
I just watched the final episode today. And you know what? It was good. Not perfect. But much better than we have been forced to watch, or not. In the last what? 15+ years.
It's on the right track. Still room for improvement. But well done.
As a long time STO player it was such a joy to finally see Enterprise F and it was Odyssey class.....and then an episode later we get Enterprise G?
Oh come on!
I don't care about any "Star Trek" after Enterprise.The early seasons of Picard and the entirety of STD have made it irredeemable.
For every 'space fireworks' there was a 'Riker going 'shit i never knew these were so heavy''. I loved it for better or worse.
'It was a gift.' Perfect articulation of how this season felt. I'm grateful that my fave Trek team was pulled back together for this.
I agree with the gripe of renaming Titan. What about her now awesome legacy? Erased? Enterprise should be the newest and baddest assed ship in the fleet.
Where were the quantum torpedoes? Transphasic torpedoes? Ablative shielding?
I dunno if it was 'good', but it certainly was better.
From interviews, what got Burton back was definitely letting him bring his real life daughter into the show. For that kind of role, they used her really well.
Speaking of which, can we give the show credit for doing TWO major "child of a beloved main character" characters, and both were well received?
way to go... the drinker and Dave Cullen together.. fantastic.
It was the finale of Star Trek.
It looks like they set up for a spin-off series with Jack, although there's no way to know if we will get one.
Yeah think what you guys like, but remove the memberberries and there's very little going on in that show. Even the memberberries didn't quite work for me because the original cast felt like they were in some cameo winking and nudging their way through the show. I actually liked the later episodes better because they had worked through all the stupid references and the fanfiction feel.
I thought most of, especially the last two eps were nauseating. I was never much of a TNG fan anyway, I didn’t watch Star Trek for a few years when it first came out because I just didn’t like the crew. Anyway I’m glad some people got the memberberries they wanted, but they fell flat for me. For me Star Trek is about complex subjects, solving problems with ingenuity and compassion. This felt like an action movie mixed with a soap opera starring some familiar characters.
Hell, they were still using Excelsior class ships on TNG.
It's like uniforms: they usually get changed up every couple years, but then they must've REALLY liked those magenta coats from the late 23rd century, because they kept that uniform for like eighty years, and then went back to changing it up every few years.
Problem with Picard ... we are so starved for anything good and non woke, that now we a raving about a series with a lead actor that looks so frail he's going to break any moment!
and they killed off the only good character. Shaw should have had his own series with better crew
His voice is still strong
@@maryb3909 I respectfully disagree ... though if it was, he should have stuck to radio
@@JohnAsquith-ey6ld I didn't even get that far
@@cosmicfxx Smart move, I hate watch hoping that i can relive the past. You saved a few hours of your life for something anything better than this garbage
The Enterprise-D would still be in service if it hadn't crashed on that planet, as confirmed in All Good Things.
Just like several Miranda-class hulls have been in service for the better part of a century, if not more.
Plus the Galaxy-class is a pretty big ship with plenty of hull space for customization.
It would've probably been renamed and assigned to a different crew to make room for the Enterprise-E (gotta keep your flagship state-of-the-art).
The renaming of Titan was wrong for lots of reasons. 1) Ships that go through refits don't automatically get a letter attached to them. Titan should still have just stayed the Titan. Letters are only granted to ships that go through ludicrous odds and succeed. The Titan standing down the entire fleet to fight off planetary annihilation (and being destroyed) would have justified it. 2) Renaming Titan to Enterprise is an insult to Titan's crew and the Captain who went down saving it. 3) It's always been bad luck to rename ships mid service. All other instances have been prior to Christening or after service.
I fully expected it will end with at least Picard kicking the bucket for good. I'm totally blown away that all of them made it.
Daves ending with Riker sitting down in the upgraded Enterprise D from "All good things" would have been perfect. AND they could have kept the Titan crew as is for a Star Trek Legacy. That would have been amazing.
It has been stated in may Tech resources that the Galaxy class's were designed to have a 100 year service life.
WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT BUZZFEED?!
Eddie Izzard noted Kirk is so iconic. William Shatner did another show, T.J. Hooker. That was just Captain Kirk taking a break trying the police thing here on Earth stationed on leave from the Enterprise. Nobody saw T.J. Hooker when they watched T.J. Hooker and he was only the title character! Nothing will ever beat TOS for sci-fi. It will never die. It is just pure excellence as far as the small screen is concerned. The fact that it made it on the big screen was no small feat, too. Because there's been a long contention that tv stars don't make movie stars. I think that got broken over time but in the 70's when the movies were made that was hard and fast. And consider these were stars of a show that had been canceled!!!
the amount of praise for this season is...strange to me. This is just Picard season one and two writing, but coated in TONS of meaningless fan service. Especially the final episode had me roll my eyes so hard. NOTHING made any sense
Renaming the Titan to Enterprise felt almost like Ray calling herself Skywalker. Change my Mind.
Spot on. Sh*t writing.
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At least they didn't name Jack Crusher a "whats your name" PICARD thing lol
It should have been a refitted Enterprise F
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Love the Star Trek IV callback with the Presidential announcement
I thought it went a bit self indulgent toward the end.
Second to last episode I started feeling myself completely losing interest.
Not gotten around to watching the last episode yet. Maybe it improves.
I'll find out tonight when I watch it I guess.
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...Speleer's portrayal of Jack Crusher was bit over the top at times. Seemed like half the time he was playing a character from Dr Who rather than a Star Trek character. Maybe it was deliberate and he's angling for that role next? ...but IMO it didn't really fit with the rest of the show.
Same with Vadic, but I guess ST bad guys can get away with over the top acting a bit more than the good guys so I'll give Plummer a pass for that one.
Basic smoking a cigar was ridiculous. Don’t even get started on the Enterprise being treated as if it was the Millennium Falcon. It was beyond stupid.
Personally I'm happy the D is tearing peacefully among her peers. She deserves it.
Captain Shaw, though short lived is my new go-to captain. He was fucking well written and his death made his existence in Trek mean something. But we all know he is still alive somehow.