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Mark Hamill: “I fundamentally disagree with EVERYTHING you’ve done with my character.” Patrick Stewart: “Picard must be held accountable for the crimes of Starfleet!”
There is an episode of STNG called Tapestry where Picard had an opportunity to change his life where he played it safe. Where he was bereft of passion and imagination. Where he was timid, effete, and impotent. Picard told Q he didn't want to be that man. Yet that is exactly who he is in Picard.
In that episode, Picard originally DID want to be that man.. until Q showed him how he'd turn out later. He then changed his mind. It was a great episode.
Really, this Bleakness/Darkness, this overall Tone-Shift has interesting Implications, hence why it got an entire Video-Essay by Some-More-News: His video "Popcorn Dystopia". Its interesting.
From what I’ve heard, the creators and owners to the rights of the Back to the Future franchise have decided to hold out and stubbornly refuse to let anyone, no matter how much money they offer, remake it into modern trash. Good for them! At least there’ll be one less part of my childhood to be ruined by modern Hollywood.
All I can say is thank God. You CANNOT remake a perfect movie trilogy just 30 years after the original came out, it's not only stupid, it's disrespectful.
My father was a passionate fan of the first two "Godfather" movies. He absolutely loved them. When Godfather 3 came out in 1990, my father went to see it with such high expectations, he was as excited as I was to see Star Wars or Star Trek movies. He came home a depressed, broken man - like someone had stolen all his toys, set them on fire and made him watch. For many many years, it was essentially common knowledge that Godfather 3 was a movie so bad it soiled the good memories of the first 2 movies. Now it's our turn. Both Star Wars and Star Trek have been SO mishandled that I want to sue somebody. I feel wounded, betrayed - and I finally understand what I couldn't about my poor father with Godfather 3. Dad, I owe you a drink.
Godfather 3 is not the worst movie ever, but pales in comparison to parts 1 and 2. It has a bizarre storyline involving the Vatican, and questionable acting from everyone outside of Pacino.
I actually can't complain about THE GODFATHER - PART III... It's an excellent movie on its own, it just doesn't live up to the first two. The quality of the first two movies raised our expectations on this series so much, that we couldn't longer see how good the movie is in direct comparison to the rest of the film industry! At that time and even more so at present!
dawww did daddy man-child get a boo boo when his little toy was broken? did he ever get over it or is it as angry you when it comes to something like star trek moving on without you and leaving you in the dust bigot?
I respectfully decline to acknowledge the existence of this show. In my history book, Picard's story ended when he sat down to play cards with his crew and later, off-screen, when he retired to peaceful obscurity in the countryside of his home country on Earth.
Thank goodness I thought "Let bygones be bygones" when the show was announced. Never saw a single bit of it, and do not intend to start now. Same goes for Disaster/Diversity. I do watch Lower Decks, but that is all I am willing to engage with. Sadly, the put the Orville behind a paywall here, so I can't say how that turned out (only watched season I).
You're right! I only consider ORIGINAL STAR TREK, the 70s animated series, NEXT GENERATION, the 6 ST films, and the 4 STNG films canon. The J.J. Abrams films do NOT count!
Just like Star Wars and Marvel and DC comics. Just like mainstream journalism and professional sports. It’s what happens when the marxists take over a culture.
That's because it isn't Star Trek and was never intended to be. The creators invented a new franchise and painted a Star Trek veneer over it in the hope that old Trek fans would support it.
@@randyjones3050 Yep. And I hate that. I watched some of this shit and thought to myself "Have the people behind this ever actually WATCHED Star Trek?"
"If the writers don't care about it, why should I?" That sums up pretty much everything about the vast majority of spinoffs and reboots nowadays... sad, really.
Historic buildings are given "protected" status, to legally prevent them from being redesigned or defaced. We should have a similar law for entertainment properties, and Kurtzman should be in jail!
The funny thing is, long ago there was a guy who hold a speech to prevent movies from being redesigned or changed, then he changed Star Wars four times and sold it to Disney
ANY writer/producer that puts "The Message" first over a good storyline/script SHOULD be jailed... I mean, take Batwoman for example, derided, laughed at, a piss poor show, and yet... They persist with making more claiming it a, cough cough, ahem, 'A success'... 😒😒😒
@@thedarkknight1971 id consider it fraud to pass off propaganda as entertainment. they ought to have to repay everyone who thought they were buying a show including all the people who got subed to the streaming service just for this one show. but jail time? nah. let them be poor at their own expense.
Discovery has never had me in tears or pondering things. So many episodes of TNG had me walking away blown away. Picard with the probe and the flute storyline is one of my favorites. Picard staring off into nothingness is more powerful than all 4 seasons of Discovery combined... Discovery makes me sad.
As Maximus said in the film Gladiator "I have seen much of the world - it is brutal, cold and dark. Rome is the light". In our case, the light is the old films and TV shows that don't follow this woke crap and allow us hope
@@marcelo3939 Oops. Meant to reply to this hours ago. I don’t know if I can explain it. I love the otherworldly qualities of the Evas. But yeah, the series as a whole was a total mind-fuck.
Don’t let Patrick Stewart off so easily. He’s not being “used.” He reads the scripts, he could say no. He’s Patrick Stewart. He could speak out about this crap and he’d barely get a slap on the wrist, and at his age, it’s not like he has to worry about not getting work after this show. He’s on board with it most likely, as sad as it is to see.
He has a long history of "it's current year"-ing about women "issues". Sure he prob knows the show sycks but he doesnt care about the audience who built his fame and wealth, he (like all movie/tv people) cares about people he actually respects...
Unfortunately, Patrick is and always has been a liberal. It appears the inherent conservativeness of Captain Picard from TNG never rubbed off on him...
@@VoodooV1 Patrick Stewart literally said he was “violently opposed” to Elia Kazan getting a lifetime achievement award. It’s not a troll he’s speaking facts.
My whole issue with ST:P is wrapped up neatly in the character of Raffi. She exemplifies everything wrong with the showrunners and their complete inability to understand the source material. In the beginning of the show Picard finds her living in a trailer park of one, addicted to drugs and alcohol, complaining about how "da gubmint took ma baby." and yelling at Picard for having "a vineyard full of antiques." In the world of Star Trek literally none of those are actual problems. Their advanced medical science could take care of both chemical addictions with a hypo-stim, and it you want a vineyard, antiques, literally anything, you have replicators. You feed dense rocks into a box and it gives you literally anything you want. Food? How about gourmet? Drugs? How do you like the original Cocacola recipe? Antiques? How about a 12th century medieval chair carved out of black forest pine? No? Then what about an atomically exact copy of La Pieta? A 20th century Commodore Computer? What material good could you want? Bigger? Well how about we just replicate the components to an industrial replicator. Then you can make a house, appliances, a shuttle craft... Replicators are such a revolutionary technology that they make the idea that humanity doesn't use money anymore realistic, because they would completely disassemble the entire concept of economics over night. Even if you tried to monopolize the tech someone would steal it and jail break it. It would only be a matter of time before somebody made a replicator that could replicate replicators and flood the market to the point of making everything worthless to the point where the only thing of value left would be power, which would be easy, replicator fuel, which would be fucking easy, and the little schematics for the stuff you replicate, but the computers can do that for the most part so even they would be largely worthless. That is the world of Star Trek and this dumb fuck is blaming other people for her self created problems.
Not only is she a shallow representation of everything you said, but her brief storyline with her kid was completely devoid of any point or direction whatsoever. They contrived that subplot and never visited it again (as far as I know). It was the ultimate "I have cancer" moment you see in The Room by Tommy Wiseau. What the hell was the point?
I believe that the director wanted to force his own vision of today into ST world and that resulted in the mutant ,unnatural creation. Desperately trying to promote THE MESSAGE.
On the topic of the replicators and capitalism, I may recommend the book "The Prox Transmission". It deals with this topic, among others. Great book written by Dustin Bates - lead singer of Downplay and Starset - and Peter David, also has a comic version if you prefer it.
Did anyone happen to notice that in Picard season 1, the Romulans were actually right? I mean, the threat wasn't that teen robo-angst would kill an entire planet, nor that she would cause the destruction of an entire galaxy full of people, but of all life in the entire universe! But Picard believed in her - which makes her actual attempt to end all life in the universe just a potential unfortunate possibility. Further, the Romulans weren't just trying to save themselves, but to save all of StarFleet, all of humanity, Klingons, Silorians, Ferengi, green Orion slave chicks, really everything! So... is the Romulan academy accepting recruits?
@@TheDoomslayersDaddy Except Federation members are shown to own private property While I'm at it, it's funny that lefty ST fans never see how the Prime Directive might apply to nationalism vs. globalism
My first thought with the Q reveal was: “Didn’t we already do this in Tapestry? A million times better?” He really peaked in All Good Things, and after that he was really restrained.
Isnt Kurtzman the same asshole that thought we would all give a crap about re-doing Spock’s death with a new version of Kirk that we barely knew and eliminated that plot thread within 5 minutes using the absolute worst idea that ever came out do the show Heroes…”superblood”. Damnit I wish I was a self-pigmentation hating liberal with rich parents so I could fail upwards in the entertainment industry
@@ThatBillmanGuy Meh. Data's death in Nemesis was cheapened by the fact that he'd uploaded his memories to B4, giving the writers a obvious loophole for bringing him back... so even as a longtime fan of TNG, his death in that movie had no emotional impact for me.
"How is it still going?" Well, see, Drinker, there's people called executive producers, and if a show fails, it effects their reputation. Therefore, if they are in a position to do so, they will hide a shows' failure through the only way they can: Renewal. This allows people to say "Well, how many seasons did Firefly get?" with a straight face. Ugh.
Remember when Hollywood writers were so skilled they could make a Star Trek movie about them rescuing whales , with no Enterprise, and it was awesome? Look at how the mighty have fallen.
Seriously! There was just one single phaser shot in that whole movie. And even that was aimed at an inanimate object (doorknob). And the film still had more excitement and depth.
Remember: they had Shatner and Nimoy duo, who were established and integrated actors long before they appeared on Star Trek ( "The Men from U.N.C.L.E").
@@grantorino2325 Interesting comment. I read a column in _The Sunday Times_ (2009ish) claiming that during _The Cold War_ the West had to show its moral superiority to the mighty Soviet Union and that since its collapse, we've all descended into nihilism (paraphrased).
@@outsidethepyramid No we don't at least not all if us. I honestly believed in Roddenberrys vision even if I thought it was at least a thousand years off. If anything I think it's gen z who loves and supports these shows not millennials.
Never been a fan either. Always figured one day I would be super bored and watch everything, well, now mostly everything about the show. Kinda glad i didn't during quarantine, because i would be even more pissed off from already being a star wars fan. But like everything else these days, we can only vote with our wallets and remind ourselves that just because someone made some new shit, doesn't make it cannon.
Unfortunately, we are currently living in a dark dystopian 1984ish time. I think one of things that people have forgotten is that the masses enjoy filma nd TV to escape the bullshit of day to day life; not to have their face rubbed in it and get brow beaten for not agreeing with the status quo.
The end of the first season was the cheapest, crappiest rug pull I ever seen. The entire reason I watched it through the end was I bought that this was supposed to be the "finale journey" of Picard. It made sense too given Stewart's age. If they ended it with his death, I could probably forgive the "meh" of the whole season. But the whole bringing him back to life in the same old body (god forbid they do something original and daring like re-cast Picard as a younger person) was just sooooo dumb. It was the ultimate reset button that made no sense. Making 7 of 9 gay in the final second was also just a cherry on top of this dumpster fire..got to get your representation in!
You know I am a big fan of Star Trek: The Next Generation, it is my favourite show of all time. Deep Space 9 is also great and probably the most underrated Star Trek show. Voyager had watered down, simpler plots but it was still enjoyable. I wasn't a huge fan of Enterprise, but it has grown on me over the years, and although there were some missteps it wasn't that bad and compared to anything Kurtzman has done it is a masterpiece. Real Trek on TV died when Enterprise went off of the air and with Star Trek Nemesis on the big screen. Enterprise was the last Trek TV series that was written by people who understood what Trek should be. Same with Star Trek Nemesis, although it wasn't that great a movie, it was still trying to be Trek. The Kelvin Timeline took what was a thinking man's sci-fi series trying to portray a future where humanity had mostly gotten over limited thinking of capitalism and bigotry and was now exploring what it means to be human or what it means to even exist at all, -- then the Kelvin Timeline made Trek into just another sci-fi action movie franchise, and worse with Star Trek Into Darkness did a lousy soft reboot of Wrath of Khan (the most popular film in the franchise which had absolutely no reason to be remade) and then the highly illogical plot of Fast and Furious in Space, er, I mean Star Trek Beyond. Alex Kurtzman also took what has always been an ensemble cast show and made it focused on Mary-Sue=space-Jesus rather than an ensemble crew and also took the Shakespearian quality character of Picard and turned him into a man who just stands there as he is berated by some drug addict black woman all the time. I have not watch anything after Season 2 of Discovery and I will likely not watch season 2 of Picard, I have seen too much of Kurtzman Trek with the three seasons I have seen already.
@@WyomingGuy876 Neelix was actually on the show until the episode before the two partner finale of the final season though. Kess was definitely the most underdeveloped character and was basically replaced with Seven of Nine, and of course Seven of Nine made the show way more interesting. That one episode where Kess came back for one episode and had gone insane and wanted revenge on Voyager was one of the dumbest episodes of Voyager though ha ha!
"The timelines been fucked up. We have to kill the producer." -Q Seriously those gunplay scenes tell you everything you need to know about how far removed this is from actual Star Trek.
What is actual Star Trek exactly? Klingons originally looked like humans. It's been retconned of course, but then if you're okay with WORF looking the way he does then you can't complain that they retconned anything else.
Maybe the original plan was for a series called "Star Trek: Janeway"? That would explain Seven of Nine's presence and why all her dialogue was written for interacting with a different captain... not to mention the wholesale replacement of Starfleet's entire command structure with Strong Women(TM).
And this is why I watch less TV these days. I swear Patrick Stewart is portraying Picard the same way he portrayed Charles Xavier in Logan, an old fractured shell of his former self.
Didn't you notice they do it with all the classic movie heroes these days? Rambo, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Indiana Jones, Wolverine, Picard, Deckard ... They bring back aging heroes under the guise of a sequel or a reboot, only to have them humiliated and made to look like a fool in contrast to a "younger generation" of mostly race ambiguous characters. It's nothing short of the pop culture equivalent of corpse defilement. They dig up something that was pure and strong and worthy of admiration, and they kick it around for 90 minutes for the sake of...what? Showing that the glory days don't last for even our most cherished heroes? Depressing, is all, man. Commies did the "non pop culture equivalent" of corpse defilement just like this 100 years ago in places like Spain, among others. Beatified nuns and sainted priests and members of the nobility that were dead for decades were dug up to be...humiliated in death. This is what gets these degenerates off. Same people that pull off statues or "reevaluate" historical figures. Even when they pretend it's for the common good, there's always a sinister agenda. Instead, now we don't worship saints and historical figures, so they feel like they have to piss on the fictional heroes of popular culture. Sick fucks, these bastards are.
I feel like one of the fundamental problems with Star Trek these days is that it is no longer episodic. With every iteration of ST prior to "Discovery": every episode was wrapped up at the end. Maybe it was "to be continued..."; but, you knew it'd be wrapped up at the end of the next one. Now, today, every version has to be a 13 hour movie broken into 42minute segments, each "ending" in a moment designed to trigger a lizard brained curiosity response. All of this without the depth, character development or plot needed to fill a 3 hour movie, much less a 13 hour movie. But hey, if I don't like it they must just be subverting my expectations.
Except for DS9 which did some story arcs. But they never lasted full seasons. And in some cases they forced the audience to pay attention to the show or they'd miss certain things like Garek asking Odo if he cares about anyone and Odo kind of not really answering but implying there's no one. When we'd already seen in past episodes that wasn't the case. Which backed up his statement "If there were I certainly wouldn't tell you". they managed to put a lot of arc based stuff into stand alone episodes which was quite cool. Now it's as you said a 13 hour episode and if you don' tlike they episode you're pretty much screwed. Or just don't watch. Which is what I do.
@@reaverofjillsandwiches Or Enterprise which had a whole season arc. And toward the end of Season 4 where they were starting to hint at the looming war with the Romulans which would have been a seasonal or multi-seasonal arc had the show continued.
@@LordSluggo Yeah but I think people were getting fed up with the TCW. I loved it personally but then I'm always a sucker for time travel and alternate timelines (within reason, he says while sideeying the reboot movies)
it has nothing to do with the story telling format. it has to do with flat, piss poor writing, the inability to develop characters, and create stories that people want to watch. ds9 was probibly the best star trek that ever happened. it broke all the rules and did it without sucking. now they just break the rules to watch the world burn.
When Picard Season 1 was announced, like many fans I was ready for some new adventures of captain Picard. And I had high hopes and expectations for this new show. Here is my list of what we really needed more of from Star Trek and that Picard season 1 delivered: -Violence (check) -Cursing (check) -Murder (check) -Slavery (check) -Racism (check) -Poverty (check) -Yelling (check) -Planetary Destruction (check) -Drug Use/Smoking (check) -Alcoholism (check) -PTSD (check) -Black Marketeering (check) -Disrespect (check) -More Violence (check) -Bigotry (check) -Genocide (check check) -Torture (check) -Hopelessness (check) -Organ Harvesting (check) -Child Abandonment (check) -Mass Killings/Executions/Extermination (check) -Refugee Crisis (check) -Madness/Insanity (check) -MORE Violence (check) -Decapitation (check) -Incest (check) -Explosive Decompression / "Spacing" (check) -Depression (check) -Organized Crime (check) -Disease (check) -Lawlessness (check) -Materialism (check) -Revenge Killing (check) -Kidnapping (check) -MORE VIOLENCE (check) -Serial Killing (check) -Religious Fanaticism / Violence (check) -Suicide (check) -Betrayal (check) -Terrorism (check) -Vomiting (check) -Human Trafficking (check) -Stabbings / Impalements (check) -Immolation / Melting (check) -Defenestration (no windows involved so not quite - kinda check) -BREXIT (check) -Sheer Fucking Hubris (check) -Spam / Pop-up Advertisement (check) -MoRe ViOLeNcE!!!! (check check and check) Kurtzman and co. really delivered but even they were not perfect. Obviously they missed a few things that really represents what Star Trek stands for, but hopefully they will make up for it in season 2. Here is just a small list that I am sure Kurtzman will cover: -Famine -Theft -Wanton Property Destruction -Sexual Assault -Robbery -Animal Abuse -Arson -Indentured Servitude -Corruption / Bribery -War Crimes -Coercion / Threats -Hate Crimes -MORE CURSING -Race Baiting -Negligence -ULTRA VIOLENCE -Drug Trafficking -Disintegration -Illegal Gambling -Mutiny / Dereliction of Duty -Child and Elder Abuse -Diplomatic Crisis -Wrongful Imprisonment -Mutilations -Death/Blood Sports -Rioting -Embezzlement -Psychological Torture -Propaganda -Religious Suppression -Nihilism -Environmental Destruction -War Profiteering -Time Travel to Destroy/Alter History -Totalitarianism -Student Loans -Robo-Calling .... and MORE VIOLENCE Now I know 4 seasons of Star Trek Discovery has already covered a lot of this but we need this in Picard too. Can't wait for season 2! Gene Roddenberry would be proud.
@@MrNicoJac I really enjoyed Voyager. Specis 8472 still gives me the creaps. Enterprise for all its faults and it definitely has lots was the last recognizable Star Trek. I didn't enjoy the time travel shit but the feel of the ship, the crew and the early Federation was right. It also showed the professionalism that would be required for such a mission as the Enterprise.
I recall reading that Paramound and the other company with the rights split after that, and it was agreed upon that if star trek would be made again, it had to look and seem creatively different. We never will get that kind of Star Trek again
and C) fancied being a lezzer for the lols. No offence, I don't mind lesbians at all, but this inclusion was more for diversity than sense. Last we remember 7 of 9 was that she was with Chakotay. I know they don't want Robert Beltran back for reasons just as they didn't want the original actor for Icheb for similar questionable reasons. It just is a bit meh really. I wasn't entirely taken with Jeri Ryan when she was added into the cast for Voyager. Kate Mulgrew didn't get on with her much during the filming. I had grown to like her though but with this subversion, she has gone back to dislike.
Why does it feel like all the Star Trek instalments have to have a galaxy-ending conflict now? I was entirely invested when their whole identity was about finding new cultures, or spending seven seasons getting back home. We want character focus, not massive singularities that can destroy planets and shit
The age old question has finally been answered. Who was better? Picard or Kirk? Kirk, hands down. No more debate is needed. Kirk is our hero. Kirk is our captain. At least we can finally put that one to rest
Because things like that take actual writing talent and risks, two things modern studios don't have. Explosions don't offend anyone and guarantee income.
@@OldieWan You might be reading too far into what I said there. I just asked why it's relevant to the galaxy-wide stakes I was talking about, I never insulted you
It really says something about hollywood in its' current state when they get the exact opposite reaction from teasers that they're shooting for. They expect everyone to be pleased and excited for Q showing up but personally all it does for me is fill me with dread. These writers and producers have proven that they couldn't find the pulse of their audience with an EKG cranked up to 11. Also letting Patrick Stewart into the writers room was the worst mistake they ever could have made. He was fine as Picard when there were competent show runners and writers working from Roddenberry's singular vision, but now, there is way too much of his own ego and political axes to grind wrapped up in the character. Hollywood is in terrible need of some actual adults to come in and snap these assholes out of their tailspin.
Lets be real, Hollywood was probably always full of politics and bullshit. These days its just become much more obvious, and their business model has become too solid to put breaks on their bullshit.
Are you sure that was the opposite reaction they wanted? Seems more like they were patting themselves on the back for seeing how much the fans hated them destroying Star Trek TNG's legacy. I bet they get off to it. They probably walk around with hatred hard ons.
I'm a real fan of Star Trek, and I actually tried to watch ST Discovery (I was extremely happy for a new series with modern effects, etc...) But unfortunately the show is so crappy that I couldn't stay awake for more than a couple episodes in season 2... And no, it's nothing against a woman in command or whatever those stupid woke are used to argument about... I watched the whole ST Voyager and enjoyed (not my favorite, but still Star Trek)... But Picard... Damn... I feel asleep in the first episode... More than once! It's really sad what they did with this once great franchise...
I love the look of Discovery. However, having now binge watched seasons 3 and 4, I can tell you season 2 was an insufferable chore to watch with an unlikeable Mary sue with a savior complex. Season 3 and especially 4 are far more entertaining because they push an exploration or new stuff: races, time, etc. The fascinating setting does a lot to distract from the often annoying characters. Oh, but one issue you will notice: sci-fi makes rapid turns into pure, silly fantasy. You will encounter absurd concepts that make no sense in a sci-fi setting. Of course we get a computer that gains emotions. And it keeps mentioning something feels off even though all diagnostics are normal…
Patrick Stewart used to be my favorite character in all of Star Trek. His discipline, natural leader skills, his inner conflict with the Borg,...I could g on with this list. He was the kind of officer I could imagine commanding a nuclear aircraft carrier just as well as showing up in a smoking to hold the opening speech at an UN banquet. But I think the show screwed up his character to a point he didn't deserve. Of course Patrick Stewart is an old man by now and no longer the physically strong man he was in the 90s, but he is still doing good acting. But if you don't give him good material to work with, he can't do much.
I'm afraid you're giving him too much credit. Stewart is a man very full of himself for all he has accomplished, and it is known that TNG Picard has little similarities to the actor Patrick Stewart. With his cult status, he himself contributed a good bit to the abysmal writing of STP by not avboiding it.
Unpopular opinion: Generations was awesome. Somewhat popular opinion: First Contact was good. Everything after First Contact= 💩 So First Contact was the end for me.
Generations was good; although disappointing, it really needed some outside eyes to reshuffle some scenes, and have Kirk on the Battle Bridge of the E-D destroying the Klingons before dying to make it phenomenal. First Contact was awesome. Insurrection is okay, but would have been so much better if they started it with a Dominion-war battle and someone of the main cast dying. And then their insurrection on the Ba'ku planet would be all about making sure that cast member and all the other people dying is not in vane, that Starfleet stays true to its ideals, rather than degenerate into something as bad or worse than the Dominion. Also, instead of that hypocritical sociopath character being a love interest for Picard, he should have called her out on her utter bullshit. Nemesis was a plothole ridden pile of crap; although compared to 09 it was a masterpiece. So for me, TNG ended with Insurrection.
It would injure their WHAT? You mean that bad ability to adorn oneself with borrowed plumes or to beat on someone weaker that is still done and on the ground?
@@meoff7602 You....do realize that corporations are ultimately run by human beings too, right? Yes, the overriding impetus is money, but things like stupidity, hubris, and so on are just as much a factor for them as any individual person, if not moreso.
I remember what an absolute hard-nosed, secret sweetheart that Seven of Nine could be from Voyager - she quickly became one of my favorite characters not just in Voyager, but in all of the new series... and I also remember how down-hearted I felt when I learned that she would be in Picard. I already had ZERO faith in New-Trek since just before Discovery and seeing how that went, I was pained by the idea of my body-suited darling being done wrong by these character assassins. Oof.
I’m a Trekkie, mum even made the whole family uniforms when we were kids to wear at conventions. I’ve never watched Picard and I turned off Discovery half way through the first episode. Klingons are my favourite alien race and they absolutely butchered them in that show. That’s when I know something was seriously wrong with the new shows
Very similar to my childhood. I ducked out earlier though and turned off Voyager during episode 2. Everything past the third season of DS9 has been pathetic trash.
Its so laughable that this was in Production and is now made, and meanwhile, the Powerpuff Girls TV Show is also in Production. How many years has it been since 'The Last Airbender'? Yet, Trash-Quality is by no means extinct; in fact, i'd say the opposite is true. Sex Sells and Trash-Quality in General (both nicely blood-related though, duh) are on the March. They're comin' for yaaa! They're coming clooooser! ...
the only way to save Star Trek is to make a metafictive movie where they go back in time to terminate Kurtzman, Orci, Goldsman and JJ. But they have live ammo.
So, what happened to the rest of Picard’s old crew? You know, Beverly, Worf, etc? In any case, it’s a good thing they aren’t in it. They would have been desecrated too.
When it comes to Star Trek - Picard or Discovery I've seen exactly one episode of each. That was more than enough to convince me to keep moving and don't look back.
I dont even have the energy to be angry anymore Im just going to ignore it and make fun of the fact this video has more views than both trailers combined.
Its so laughable that this was in Production and is now made, and meanwhile, the Powerpuff Girls TV Show is also in Production. How many years has it been since 'The Last Airbender'? Yet, Trash-Quality is by no means extinct; in fact, i'd say the opposite is true.
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@@chrishoppner7875 I don't think Steward is in that age where he still can have extensive creative input. He's a very very old man. Plus he's never shown any kind of hatred toward his character in many previous interviews.
@@thefreshestslice4105 I didn't see that but you are correct, reaffirmation is more correct. I remember he mentioned his dislike of Picard even before the first episode.
One couldn't just be a respected actor. Oh no. He has to be a fucking "voice of reason" for the proles. The ego of these people is so absurdly overdeveloped that they probably masturbate watching their own pics.
@@pineapplethief4418 I mean, maybe they _did_ take creative input from a confused elderly man who doesn't really care about Picard or Star Trek. It would explain why PIC Season 1 was such a trainwreck. I don't think Stewart necessarily hates Picard, but it's been clear for a long time that he has little in common with the character and no qualms about projecting his own 21st century attributes onto him.
There are good shows out there... The Expanse is fantastic, The Handmaidens Tale is more than great... and The Boys are superb... also American Gods... just to name a few.
Agreed, Cobra Kai and as the other person said, Doctor Sleep have been really good continuations of nostalgic shows/movies so far. Here's hoping Cobra Kai actually stays that way.
I’ll freely admit Star Trek 2009, Into Darkness, and Beyond pale in comparison to the older stuff, but they did introduce me to the franchise. They still hold a place in my heart for that alone.
Q's Black female daughter is going to come and bring him back to the elderly Q nursing home where he is scheduled for "humane" termination by the young LGBTQ Q.
I read shortly something like *LBTQIA* but I was a little to frightened to ask what the IA means. A comment on a gameside got deleted and I got a "warning" because I wrote something like LBTQLOLOMFG and something about melting snowflakes I think
@@666LonesomeSailor WHAT!?!?!?! And they were offended??? Did they melt like the Nazi officer in Raiders of the Lost Ark when they opened the Ark?? I do hope I remember this and use when appropriate.
If somebody had told me, just a couple of years ago, that Seth McFarlane of all people, would make an unofficial Star Trek tv-show that is better written & ''just get's'' the whole Star Trek ''vibe'', than any official Star Trek production, I would have called this person crazy. And here we are,in 2021 and ''The Orville'' is putting to shame anything that has the Star Trek label attached, for over a decade! I repeat, the guy who made that movie with the talking teddy bear & Marky Mark, makes a better Star Trek show, than any official Star Trek show! Hell, I bet the hacks from RLM could write a better Star Trek show, than Alex Kurtzman at this point! We must be truly in a Bizarro dimension or something....
Speaking of Seth, I just watched an ST:Enterprise episode yesterday and he was in the engineering deck of the Columbia getting briefed by Trip. He really is a huge fen of the franchise... No wonder his stuff is better, as current holders couldn't care less about ST Lore, continuity and canon.
@@Francois424 He also hired a couple of the old Star Trek writers/producers for his show, so people who know this franchise, not the guy who wrote the Bayformers movies.
They tried the same cheap fanservice tactic in season 1. Characters we once loved all messed up and shoehorned into a badly written travesty that's an embarassment to everything Star Trek stood for.
I completely agree. It's a case of once bitten, twice shy. I won't be watching this second series because they basically trashed TNG with this garbage.
Yeah. Not even the glorious Jeri Ryan could get me to want to watch season 2 or rewatch season 1, not even if she sat in my lap and played with my hair... Okay, maybe that but nothing short of that! When I walked out of the theater in 2009, I remember thinking that just because some character has the same name as a character we all know, does not make that character the same character. I thought I was watching a parody of Star Trek. With Picard it was even worse. It didn't feel so much like a parody as a deliberate insult, not to the characters but to us, the fans. It was a bait and switch. They promised a return of Picard, but they gave us an old man with zero command presence and less sense than a drunk Marine in a Korean cathouse. The fanservice turned out to be more thumbing their nose at us by having once beloved characters either acting completely out of character or being placed into ridiculous situations and then having to act like it's business as usual. Frequently both. Star Trek died when CBS bought it and started chopping the franchise up into little contractual morsels with moronic "must be X% different" clauses. Nobody cares anymore.
The only positive thing in Picard was the guest appearance by the Enterprise. I love what Star Trek used to promote, It really upsets me to see what it has become.
The guest appearance of the enterprise where they got the location of ten forward wrong? Deck ten, forward section (clues in the name) yet in Picard they zoomed in on ten slightly left of forward the identical yet unknown bar onboard
You know there's something wrong when you can religiously watch every episode of TNG for the rest of your days but the minute you see Q show up in the Star Trek "Picard" trailer you roll your eyes and turn the trailer off....
You know, had it been to me to reintroduce Q, I'd have emotional reunion of Guinan and Picard, ending episode with clifhanger when they two have moment of understanding and then familiar flash of light and wooosh sound effect happens and they slowy trun back, to camera in growing horror.....
I feel this pain. TNG is my go to when I don't have anything to watch and want to relax in front of the tv. Everything I love in entertainment is being warped and twisted into something I don't even recognize.
I hate seeing characters I care about show up in these things. I don't want to see a character I care about morph into some asshole I don't recognise, or learn about what depressing and messed up shit has happened in their lives since I last saw them. I'm not watching season 2. I couldn't get through season one.
I haven't watched this show at all but I do find it odd that an immortal, ageless and basically godlike being has,... aged! Before someone says something, yes I understand that real people age but the Q can appear however they want and it would have made more sense for Q to appear as someone else and not an aging person instead of a younger person but still basically the same character. They could have even used CGI for his 1st appearance to make him look young but then come up with a reasonable situation that compels him to change his form into something more in line with the characters established egotistical background. Regardless of the situation I just don't believe that Q would appear as an aging man in his declining years. It's just not in-line with the Q character.
@@skeleton819 obviously, but that isnt the point! The point is that Qs ego absolutely would not allow him to appear as an old man simply because such things are simply not in line with his character.
@@skeleton819 I never suggested it did! The Q are all extremely proud of their immortality and power as they often boast about to other races and for any of them to present themselves on equal ground with mortal beings such as aging is a direct contradiction to this trait that all Q shar, even the ones that hate each other and the ones that respect mortals. The Q are not humble in any way whatsoever so the idea that they would present themselves in this way just doesnt fit the character.
No that won’t do, we’ll need that Xindi weapon from Enterprise to make sure all is destroyed. I did not like that season of Enterprise but man it was Shakespeare compared to STD and Pic
@@inblackestnight9256 To be honest, I was hoping someone would continue the iconic dialogue, but alas my time playing the part of the antagonist is over. Kurtzman did have some credit in the bank with me for Alias and Fringe (two of my all time favourites) but he's more than used that up now - and I'm not even that big of a Star Trek fan. Instinct, Salvation and Scorpion were all dreadful - and now he's shitting all over 5 Trek TV Shows, an upcoming Trek movie and, according to IMDb, 5 of Universals "monster-verse" or whater the hell they are calling it.
I mean, did they even say fuck in any of the movies? Star Trek never portrayed us as perfect, but at least there was some level of transcendence. This just feels an abomination of Roddenberry's vision.
The original series and TNG were pure science fiction; narratives designed to explore philosophical ideas about humanity, consciousness, the nature of reality, and so on. Both series showed humanity not as we are, but as we could be, if we took the time and effort to look within and without and make the changes necessary to elevate ourselves. Kirk, Picard, and all their crew were very much human, but they were GOOD humans, the best of what we had to offer. Roddenberry's vision showed us not that utopias could exist, but that we were worthy of having them. New Star Trek, though... I'm not interested in watching any of it, but it kind of seems like it's going with the woke idea that people are just garbage. It says "humans can never be anything other than what they are, which is up-jumped apes who kill and rape, because that's just what they do." There's no introspection, no questioning of our nature. Just shut up, check your privilege, and fall in line, swine. It's tiresome, boring, and not good science fiction.
I asked a similar question on another channel about Star Trek: Discovery. A commenter wrote that with streaming, it doesn't matter if a show sucks for it to stay on the air.
Kurtzman has definitely been successful in making me no longer want to watch Star Trek movies and TV, which is a pretty high accomplishment considering my level of obsession with the franchise since before my age was double digits. I made the mistake of watching most of the first season of Picard out of curiosity. I don't think they could cook up something interesting enough for me to do that again.
The only way this shit storm resolves in a satisfactory way: Picard is sent to UNDO discovery, and they end up nuking eachother's timelines, leaving only the NON JJ timeline. Wait, No.. Sigh... that idea is way to complicated for these writers to understand.. so.....
So far, season two has been great! I share your fears though when this video was uploaded, the first season was not so good. Still plenty of time for S2 to fall in a black hole though!
If I could go back and tell my 12 year old self that in 2021 you don't even watch Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. he would have laughed in my face. And yet here we are....😏
And Star Wars . . If I'd time travelled and told the 10yo me that I wouldn't even bother watching ep 7 8 and 9 the 10yo me would've gone "wahhhhh. Piss off ya gray haired old bastard"
I feel the same... And that's only because we've only seen bad, expensive fan fiction in these franchises since then - written and produced by people who aren't fans
“If Beyond and Discovery killed the franchise, then Picard resurrected its decaying corpse, bent it over a table, and had its way with it using the teddy bear from my Doctor Who analogy” - Critical Drinker
You talked about exciting times when the worlds collided, in Generations when Picard met Kirk in his home and Kirk made eggs....... That scene blew my mind and still does. Incredible dialogue and accurate character portrayal, Shatner nailed Kirk after such a long hiatus.
The two of them together will always be one of the most epic moments of Star Trek. And yes, the dialogue....so many great quotes. I know people hate how Kirk died, but if you look deeper.... In The Final Frontier during the camping scene (which is my most fav thing) Kirk said he knew he wasn't going to die when he was mountain climbing because Bones and Spock were with him, and that when he died, he knew he would be alone. And he "died" twice so to speak - once saving an "Enterprise" with two of his crew on it, as well as the daughter of Sulu, and then the second time saving an entire world along side an Enterprise Captain. If that isn't Kirk, I don't know what is. The thing that makes me emotional is that life is imitating art, because Dee and Leonard are gone and Bill is "alone."
The hell that is Seven of Nine in this show is *unforgivable.* Dammit, I related to her as an autistic kid, and now Picard is like, "I want to have her take over the planet with Borg."
@@aleksander8497 Frankly speaking, they had wasted MOST TERRIFIC SETUP - Seven, Icheb, Hugh, Locutus and most distinctive antagonists of series: Romulans and Borg ( Remember, reintroducing Romulans in TNG was supposed to be effect of Borg actions ripping outposts in Neutral Zone, and Voyager based whole Unimatrix Zero plot on Hugh - quite clever reference by B'ellona). Hell, remember relationship between Q2 and Icheb?
Hey, I liked Captain Archer’s enterprise! Especially the last season! And even those who don’t will have to admit, it’s a masterpiece compared to anything Kurtzman has done. Kind of like the Disney Star Wars trilogy suddenly made people appreciate the previously hated prequels much more.
In Beta Canon, anyways, Seven became something of a celebrity after Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant. So, Picard would have more than likely crossed paths with her at some point, or at the very least knew who she was.
That was Deep Space Nine. It was subversive crap intended to be subvert everything about Star Trek. Idiots think it's good because idiots think subversion is good.
The thing I love about Star Trek is that it's one of the only shows that present a future to look forward to. It gives people hope for the future of humanity, unlike all other science fiction which is about dark, bleak, dystopian futures. Now they're doing it to Star Trek and it kills me. The world is so full of suffering and hate why can't we just have something happy for once.
Social-engineering, mind control and the all encompassing circle of fear. Predictive programming. Abandon all hope. Accept the doom. Take the "vaccine". Go to sleep.
I totally agree with you. It's sad to see the uplifting vision of the Original Series and the Next Generation completely excised from the recent ST shows. Hope is one of the three theological virtues, a gift to Man toiling away in a fallen world. Unfortunately, the people responsible for producing mass media entertainment hate you as they hate this world. No hope is allowed; only bleak emptiness. To wit: 1. The people who produce this crap hate you; take your pick from any of these: they hate you for being male, they hate you for being White, they hate you for supporting Trump, they hate you for not supporting BLM rioters, they hate you for not liking Strong, Independent Women, they hate you for being American, they hate you for having disposable income, they hate you for mocking their views....they hate you for not being a perfect reflection of the politics of the Current Moment. 2. But, most of all, these people hate themselves and the world because most have been corrupted by the inheritors of the Frankfurt School. A Marxist philosophy of deconstruction that asserts there is no meaning to life and human striving is pointless and despicable. To the proponents of this nihilistic view, any concept of transcendent hope is as garlic to a vampire. Like Morgoth in Tolkien's epic tale, those who are only capable of hate can only destroy; they are unable to create anything new. So, these dim lights responsible for our entertainment today, lacking the power of creation, instead seize the vibrant, hopeful stories that make up the foundation of our culture (ST, Star Wars) and either make them ridiculous or corrupt them into dark, hopeless tales that bear no resemblance to their lineage. We are NOT ALLOWED to hope. We are NOT ALLOWED anything transcendent or beautiful. ALL is empty and pointless.
@@Zapp__Brannigan Obama destroyed hope with his hope. Trump brought action and got crucified for it. The U.S. is fucked right now. Stay smart guys, don't fall for the traps.
The most awkward part is that, after the first season of Picard, they had everything in place to start a new, optimistic and positive future for the characters. Sure, many of them were scrappy and probably wouldn't fit well on a starship, but you could easily have had them partake in some parts of the story while the next generation (pun intended) of Startfleet's finest boldly go meet the next challenge head on with Picard - and maybe Seven - being there to lead them until they can pass the torch on to the new crew. I would totally accept ST: Picard Season 1 as the necessary step to get there. But now that I watched the trailer for season 2, I am legitimately afraid it's just going to be a mindset of doomsday after doomsday plot.
Which is a trend STD started for the franchise. S1: Klingon war. S2: Control. S3: Burn. S4: yet another catastrophic spatial phenomenon that ... if you'll excuse me Drinker ... diverse female space jesus will be solely qualified to fix. As a rabid Trek fan ... I can't even help but to watch it. Because in my core I WANT IT TO BE BETTER AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS WHEN THAT HAPPENS. But logic tells me that it's going to continue to suck, and that my ever growing list (there is legit a list) of in-universe problems with this show is going to continue to grow. Hmm. Might be an idea. TH-cam videos detailing every mistake that's been made with the series and movies since 09 from a true fan's perspective.
@@MrMikellsof88 I can feel your pain. Frankly though, I will simply pass over pretty much everything Trek until someone else is at the helm and gives it a try to see how they respect the original vision. In the meantime, I can happily watch the pre-JJ stuff in all its greatness - and flaws - while convincing myself that absolutely nothing else was made after Enterprise.
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I was hoping you'd use the Scotty "Go away now" here! ;-)
Nevermind, we still have The Orville 🚀
Nobody is watching these anyway the numbers are fake by intel.
Kurtzman wrote also Transformers 2maybe 3
I'll check it out
I’m gonna be honest, I didn’t even know there was a trailer.
I didn’t want to.
and now we wish we still didn't....
Not until I saw this video!
Ignorance is bliss, in this case
Same here
Mark Hamill: “I fundamentally disagree with EVERYTHING you’ve done with my character.”
Patrick Stewart: “Picard must be held accountable for the crimes of Starfleet!”
And Hamill went along with it anyway... hindsight is 20/20 I guess, but I would have walked off the set and told Ruin Johnson to go to hell.
Honestly, one neat thing that came from the Star Wars movies is that Mark Hamill turned out to be a really cool guy.
@@SheldonAdama17 He's a actor expect him to refuse and then get sued to kingdom come just to protect a fictional character
@@SheldonAdama17 Νοt with the paycheck they promised him, you wouldn't
@@SheldonAdama17 The man's gotta eat.
There is an episode of STNG called Tapestry where Picard had an opportunity to change his life where he played it safe. Where he was bereft of passion and imagination. Where he was timid, effete, and impotent. Picard told Q he didn't want to be that man. Yet that is exactly who he is in Picard.
BINGO!
Jesus.. thats sad
Yes. It was a top notch episode.
In that episode, Picard originally DID want to be that man.. until Q showed him how he'd turn out later. He then changed his mind. It was a great episode.
@@TimoRutanen if there was no temptation then it would be a straight forward decision.
The two things missing from Star Trek: Picard are Star Trek and Picard.
I definitely agree
underrated comment
😁 this is pure gold
Couldn't have said it better
Really, this Bleakness/Darkness,
this overall Tone-Shift has interesting
Implications, hence why it got an entire Video-Essay by Some-More-News: His video "Popcorn Dystopia".
Its interesting.
From what I’ve heard, the creators and owners to the rights of the Back to the Future franchise have decided to hold out and stubbornly refuse to let anyone, no matter how much money they offer, remake it into modern trash. Good for them! At least there’ll be one less part of my childhood to be ruined by modern Hollywood.
Yeah Tolkiens children tried the same and now they are dead and Amazon has the rights.
@Andi Magna Is Marty now replaced by a black girl named Loqueesha who invented the time machine by her own because she is mega smart?
@Andi Magna It was a question. You said you make the movie. What is racist about my comment?
All I can say is thank God. You CANNOT remake a perfect movie trilogy just 30 years after the original came out, it's not only stupid, it's disrespectful.
@@Scripture-Man word
This is the Picard that didn't pick a fight with a Nausicaan.
Haha, nice one. 👌
The blue shirt Lieutenant.
Boom. Spot on.
This deserves more thumbs up
"Better to die as the man I was, than live the life I just saw."
My father was a passionate fan of the first two "Godfather" movies. He absolutely loved them. When Godfather 3 came out in 1990, my father went to see it with such high expectations, he was as excited as I was to see Star Wars or Star Trek movies. He came home a depressed, broken man - like someone had stolen all his toys, set them on fire and made him watch. For many many years, it was essentially common knowledge that Godfather 3 was a movie so bad it soiled the good memories of the first 2 movies. Now it's our turn. Both Star Wars and Star Trek have been SO mishandled that I want to sue somebody. I feel wounded, betrayed - and I finally understand what I couldn't about my poor father with Godfather 3. Dad, I owe you a drink.
you are 100% correct
Damn, I never watched Godfather Part 3. Is it really THAT bad? I guess I'll be avoiding it then.
Godfather 3 is not the worst movie ever, but pales in comparison to parts 1 and 2. It has a bizarre storyline involving the Vatican, and questionable acting from everyone outside of Pacino.
I actually can't complain about THE GODFATHER - PART III... It's an excellent movie on its own, it just doesn't live up to the first two. The quality of the first two movies raised our expectations on this series so much, that we couldn't longer see how good the movie is in direct comparison to the rest of the film industry! At that time and even more so at present!
dawww did daddy man-child get a boo boo when his little toy was broken? did he ever get over it or is it as angry you when it comes to something like star trek moving on without you and leaving you in the dust bigot?
I respectfully decline to acknowledge the existence of this show. In my history book, Picard's story ended when he sat down to play cards with his crew and later, off-screen, when he retired to peaceful obscurity in the countryside of his home country on Earth.
Thank goodness I thought "Let bygones be bygones" when the show was announced. Never saw a single bit of it, and do not intend to start now. Same goes for Disaster/Diversity. I do watch Lower Decks, but that is all I am willing to engage with. Sadly, the put the Orville behind a paywall here, so I can't say how that turned out (only watched season I).
You're right! I only consider ORIGINAL STAR TREK, the 70s animated series, NEXT GENERATION, the 6 ST films, and the 4 STNG films canon. The J.J. Abrams films do NOT count!
@@eternalhalloween1lol yes they do
@@kbanghart There is no reason to waste time with anything that has Abram's' ' name attached to it.
@@eternalhalloween1 i disagree wholeheartedly
I don’t recognise Star Trek anymore, it has become something else entirely.
Just watch The Orville. It's about as close to a (good) modern Start Trek as you can get.
Just like Star Wars and Marvel and DC comics. Just like mainstream journalism and professional sports. It’s what happens when the marxists take over a culture.
Yep. Star Trek died with Enterprise. I personally don't consider anything since 2009's Star Trek to be canon.
That's because it isn't Star Trek and was never intended to be. The creators invented a new franchise and painted a Star Trek veneer over it in the hope that old Trek fans would support it.
@@randyjones3050 Yep. And I hate that. I watched some of this shit and thought to myself "Have the people behind this ever actually WATCHED Star Trek?"
"If the writers don't care about it, why should I?" That sums up pretty much everything about the vast majority of spinoffs and reboots nowadays... sad, really.
And....Undo Nemesis too so Data doesn't get blown up... erase B4
Yep
Historic buildings are given "protected" status, to legally prevent them from being redesigned or defaced. We should have a similar law for entertainment properties, and Kurtzman should be in jail!
The funny thing is, long ago there was a guy who hold a speech to prevent movies from being redesigned or changed, then he changed Star Wars four times and sold it to Disney
@@wolf310ii gee, I wonder who that is
@@TrekDelta roddenberry is turning in his grave.
ANY writer/producer that puts "The Message" first over a good storyline/script SHOULD be jailed... I mean, take Batwoman for example, derided, laughed at, a piss poor show, and yet... They persist with making more claiming it a, cough cough, ahem, 'A success'... 😒😒😒
@@thedarkknight1971 id consider it fraud to pass off propaganda as entertainment. they ought to have to repay everyone who thought they were buying a show including all the people who got subed to the streaming service just for this one show. but jail time? nah. let them be poor at their own expense.
Discovery has never had me in tears or pondering things. So many episodes of TNG had me walking away blown away. Picard with the probe and the flute storyline is one of my favorites. Picard staring off into nothingness is more powerful than all 4 seasons of Discovery combined... Discovery makes me sad.
That's Hollyweird for you.:(
I miss tng so much. Id even watch the silly shelock holmes ones again.
@@DCookStaVideo these are our opinions. You relax!
@@DCookStaVideo On average, how long would you say it takes you to suit up before venturing forth into the comments? Is the armor heavy?
Discovery is Streaming Weekly. With Michael's Tears! LOL!
"we don't want to see any more of the bleak, dark, violent, nihilistic, unimaginative nightmare"
yes. we've had enough of the real world.
If I wanted bleak futures I'd rather watch Gundam. At least theres hope at the end of the tunnel.
@@barrybend7189 Or Neon Genesis Evangelion.
As Maximus said in the film Gladiator "I have seen much of the world - it is brutal, cold and dark. Rome is the light". In our case, the light is the old films and TV shows that don't follow this woke crap and allow us hope
Yeah Warhammer 40K has already got that covered, Trek being hopeful is what made it special.
@@marcelo3939 Oops. Meant to reply to this hours ago. I don’t know if I can explain it. I love the otherworldly qualities of the Evas. But yeah, the series as a whole was a total mind-fuck.
Don’t let Patrick Stewart off so easily. He’s not being “used.” He reads the scripts, he could say no. He’s Patrick Stewart. He could speak out about this crap and he’d barely get a slap on the wrist, and at his age, it’s not like he has to worry about not getting work after this show. He’s on board with it most likely, as sad as it is to see.
He has a long history of "it's current year"-ing about women "issues". Sure he prob knows the show sycks but he doesnt care about the audience who built his fame and wealth, he (like all movie/tv people) cares about people he actually respects...
Unfortunately, Patrick is and always has been a liberal. It appears the inherent conservativeness of Captain Picard from TNG never rubbed off on him...
Picard died a long time ago. As a brave hero of the federation.
@@originalmroldschool nice troll brah. 10/10
@@VoodooV1 Patrick Stewart literally said he was “violently opposed” to Elia Kazan getting a lifetime achievement award. It’s not a troll he’s speaking facts.
I remember back in the day when Star Wars and Star Trek fans used to argue about who’s franchise was better and now they both mourn
Now they try to convince the other side that their own franchise is worse 😂
My whole issue with ST:P is wrapped up neatly in the character of Raffi. She exemplifies everything wrong with the showrunners and their complete inability to understand the source material. In the beginning of the show Picard finds her living in a trailer park of one, addicted to drugs and alcohol, complaining about how "da gubmint took ma baby." and yelling at Picard for having "a vineyard full of antiques." In the world of Star Trek literally none of those are actual problems. Their advanced medical science could take care of both chemical addictions with a hypo-stim, and it you want a vineyard, antiques, literally anything, you have replicators.
You feed dense rocks into a box and it gives you literally anything you want. Food? How about gourmet? Drugs? How do you like the original Cocacola recipe? Antiques? How about a 12th century medieval chair carved out of black forest pine? No? Then what about an atomically exact copy of La Pieta? A 20th century Commodore Computer? What material good could you want? Bigger? Well how about we just replicate the components to an industrial replicator. Then you can make a house, appliances, a shuttle craft...
Replicators are such a revolutionary technology that they make the idea that humanity doesn't use money anymore realistic, because they would completely disassemble the entire concept of economics over night. Even if you tried to monopolize the tech someone would steal it and jail break it. It would only be a matter of time before somebody made a replicator that could replicate replicators and flood the market to the point of making everything worthless to the point where the only thing of value left would be power, which would be easy, replicator fuel, which would be fucking easy, and the little schematics for the stuff you replicate, but the computers can do that for the most part so even they would be largely worthless.
That is the world of Star Trek and this dumb fuck is blaming other people for her self created problems.
Not only is she a shallow representation of everything you said, but her brief storyline with her kid was completely devoid of any point or direction whatsoever. They contrived that subplot and never visited it again (as far as I know). It was the ultimate "I have cancer" moment you see in The Room by Tommy Wiseau. What the hell was the point?
I believe that the director wanted to force his own vision of today into ST world and that resulted in the mutant ,unnatural creation. Desperately trying to promote THE MESSAGE.
That character is like nails on a chalkboard for me.
On the topic of the replicators and capitalism, I may recommend the book "The Prox Transmission". It deals with this topic, among others. Great book written by Dustin Bates - lead singer of Downplay and Starset - and Peter David, also has a comic version if you prefer it.
"Mon capitaine, how I've missed you"
"Q?!"
"Yes. It's me, and I've bought my friends; L, G, B, and T."
Lmao! This should have more likes.
@@icecsm16 well sir, I appreciate every one that I get because then I know I made someone smile or laugh. You have yourself a fine day and weekend.
@@icecsm16 I helped.
@@JFinker73 you won this comment section in my opinion.
@@sg8738 much obliged
Now they've roped Q in...
"Look how they massacred my boy..."
*tears.
I hope not. Best character ever..... please dont destroy him
I am expecting a “current year” bit where he chuckles about gaslighting bigots in the 21st Century
They already ruined Q. He had to be redeemed in a show about ponies.
Poor lil' fella
Insert Q Time Travel To Slavery In American History Episode, et al.
Did anyone happen to notice that in Picard season 1, the Romulans were actually right? I mean, the threat wasn't that teen robo-angst would kill an entire planet, nor that she would cause the destruction of an entire galaxy full of people, but of all life in the entire universe!
But Picard believed in her - which makes her actual attempt to end all life in the universe just a potential unfortunate possibility.
Further, the Romulans weren't just trying to save themselves, but to save all of StarFleet, all of humanity, Klingons, Silorians, Ferengi, green Orion slave chicks, really everything!
So... is the Romulan academy accepting recruits?
I'll have to see that again. Go picard
It was great to see Picard and Kirk talking and working together in Star Trek: Generations.
That movie probably wouldn’t be as hated if not for the conclusion to Kirk’s character
Gene Roddenberry's Star Trek was about optimism. Nuff said.
Actually, it was about an optimistic view of communism. LOL
@@TheDoomslayersDaddy Uh the borg and what it was a metaphor for would disagree.
@@TheDoomslayersDaddy Yup...
@@TheDoomslayersDaddy Except Federation members are shown to own private property
While I'm at it, it's funny that lefty ST fans never see how the Prime Directive might apply to nationalism vs. globalism
A common theme of Star Trek was respecting cultures. Communist China and the Soviet Union actively destroyed and displaced cultures.
My first thought with the Q reveal was:
“Didn’t we already do this in Tapestry? A million times better?”
He really peaked in All Good Things, and after that he was really restrained.
Hey, Data already died in Nemesis. But apparently that wasn't enough, so they resurrected him to kill him again to have the same emotional story beat.
None of Kurtzman's ideas are original. Not a single fucking one.
Eventually Kurtzman will start unknowingly stealing from himself.
Isnt Kurtzman the same asshole that thought we would all give a crap about re-doing Spock’s death with a new version of Kirk that we barely knew and eliminated that plot thread within 5 minutes using the absolute worst idea that ever came out do the show Heroes…”superblood”. Damnit I wish I was a self-pigmentation hating liberal with rich parents so I could fail upwards in the entertainment industry
@@ThatBillmanGuy Meh. Data's death in Nemesis was cheapened by the fact that he'd uploaded his memories to B4, giving the writers a obvious loophole for bringing him back... so even as a longtime fan of TNG, his death in that movie had no emotional impact for me.
The thing I remember most about Picard from TNG was his quiet but sure integrity.
I see now, sadly, that this is why it is called 'acting'.
"How is it still going?"
Well, see, Drinker, there's people called executive producers, and if a show fails, it effects their reputation. Therefore, if they are in a position to do so, they will hide a shows' failure through the only way they can: Renewal.
This allows people to say "Well, how many seasons did Firefly get?" with a straight face. Ugh.
And Picard has TWENTY-TWO fucking producers!!!
Remember when Hollywood writers were so skilled they could make a Star Trek movie about them rescuing whales , with no Enterprise, and it was awesome?
Look at how the mighty have fallen.
Ever since the Cold War ended in 1991, American pop-culture has-slowly but surely-gone to the dogs.
Seriously! There was just one single phaser shot in that whole movie. And even that was aimed at an inanimate object (doorknob). And the film still had more excitement and depth.
Remember Star Trek 3, all of us sitting at the edge of our seats, while the Enterprise was leaving space dock on quarter impulse power?
Remember: they had Shatner and Nimoy duo, who were established and integrated actors long before they appeared on Star Trek ( "The Men from U.N.C.L.E").
@@grantorino2325 Interesting comment.
I read a column in _The Sunday Times_ (2009ish) claiming that during _The Cold War_ the West had to show its moral superiority to the mighty Soviet Union and that since its collapse, we've all descended into nihilism (paraphrased).
I've never been a Star Trek fan, but I always viewed the series as a hopeful ideal to live up to. Not some dark dystopian 1984-esque world.
Most millennials fkn love dystopian tv and film. Why? I don't know.
@@outsidethepyramid No we don't at least not all if us. I honestly believed in Roddenberrys vision even if I thought it was at least a thousand years off. If anything I think it's gen z who loves and supports these shows not millennials.
@@Not-Ap Yeah, it's Gen Z, and now Gen Alpha too.
Never been a fan either. Always figured one day I would be super bored and watch everything, well, now mostly everything about the show. Kinda glad i didn't during quarantine, because i would be even more pissed off from already being a star wars fan. But like everything else these days, we can only vote with our wallets and remind ourselves that just because someone made some new shit, doesn't make it cannon.
Unfortunately, we are currently living in a dark dystopian 1984ish time. I think one of things that people have forgotten is that the masses enjoy filma nd TV to escape the bullshit of day to day life; not to have their face rubbed in it and get brow beaten for not agreeing with the status quo.
The end of the first season was the cheapest, crappiest rug pull I ever seen. The entire reason I watched it through the end was I bought that this was supposed to be the "finale journey" of Picard. It made sense too given Stewart's age. If they ended it with his death, I could probably forgive the "meh" of the whole season. But the whole bringing him back to life in the same old body (god forbid they do something original and daring like re-cast Picard as a younger person) was just sooooo dumb. It was the ultimate reset button that made no sense. Making 7 of 9 gay in the final second was also just a cherry on top of this dumpster fire..got to get your representation in!
You know I am a big fan of Star Trek: The Next Generation, it is my favourite show of all time. Deep Space 9 is also great and probably the most underrated Star Trek show. Voyager had watered down, simpler plots but it was still enjoyable. I wasn't a huge fan of Enterprise, but it has grown on me over the years, and although there were some missteps it wasn't that bad and compared to anything Kurtzman has done it is a masterpiece. Real Trek on TV died when Enterprise went off of the air and with Star Trek Nemesis on the big screen. Enterprise was the last Trek TV series that was written by people who understood what Trek should be. Same with Star Trek Nemesis, although it wasn't that great a movie, it was still trying to be Trek. The Kelvin Timeline took what was a thinking man's sci-fi series trying to portray a future where humanity had mostly gotten over limited thinking of capitalism and bigotry and was now exploring what it means to be human or what it means to even exist at all, -- then the Kelvin Timeline made Trek into just another sci-fi action movie franchise, and worse with Star Trek Into Darkness did a lousy soft reboot of Wrath of Khan (the most popular film in the franchise which had absolutely no reason to be remade) and then the highly illogical plot of Fast and Furious in Space, er, I mean Star Trek Beyond. Alex Kurtzman also took what has always been an ensemble cast show and made it focused on Mary-Sue=space-Jesus rather than an ensemble crew and also took the Shakespearian quality character of Picard and turned him into a man who just stands there as he is berated by some drug addict black woman all the time. I have not watch anything after Season 2 of Discovery and I will likely not watch season 2 of Picard, I have seen too much of Kurtzman Trek with the three seasons I have seen already.
After they got rid of the throw away characters of Neelix and Kess, it greatly improved
@@WyomingGuy876 Neelix was actually on the show until the episode before the two partner finale of the final season though. Kess was definitely the most underdeveloped character and was basically replaced with Seven of Nine, and of course Seven of Nine made the show way more interesting. That one episode where Kess came back for one episode and had gone insane and wanted revenge on Voyager was one of the dumbest episodes of Voyager though ha ha!
"Computer, initiate auto-destruct sequence, authorization Picard, 4-7 Alpha Tango."
I got that reference
Auto-destruct initiated. Auto-destruct cannot be stopped. Timeline reset imminent.
@@HasturYellowSign "So much for Star Trek, will there be another franchise?"
"There's still the Orville."
Computer: “Self-destruct initiated! No chance of stopping! I am not kidding!!”
Me:”It’s as it should be…”
Throughout the TNG series Picard uses different codes to set the auto-distruct, if memory serves this is the code he uses in First Contact
"The timelines been fucked up. We have to kill the producer." -Q
Seriously those gunplay scenes tell you everything you need to know about how far removed this is from actual Star Trek.
Christ, I wish we had a Q to come in like 20 years ago to retcon reality.
Imagine how bad Star Trek will be in 10 years time. The next incarnations will be fucking hideous.
I wouldn't cry if someone happened to slam his car against Kurtzman.
I would probably laugh and celebrate with a fruit juice.
What is actual Star Trek exactly?
Klingons originally looked like humans. It's been retconned of course, but then if you're okay with WORF looking the way he does then you can't complain that they retconned anything else.
@@photonboy999 - what a nonsensical argument
I miss Berman, never thought I'd ever want him back so much.
Maybe the original plan was for a series called "Star Trek: Janeway"? That would explain Seven of Nine's presence and why all her dialogue was written for interacting with a different captain... not to mention the wholesale replacement of Starfleet's entire command structure with Strong Women(TM).
And this is why I watch less TV these days. I swear Patrick Stewart is portraying Picard the same way he portrayed Charles Xavier in Logan, an old fractured shell of his former self.
the final phase of a former awesome member of the Royal Shakespeare Company.
Except that in Logan it actually made sense...
Didn't you notice they do it with all the classic movie heroes these days? Rambo, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Indiana Jones, Wolverine, Picard, Deckard ...
They bring back aging heroes under the guise of a sequel or a reboot, only to have them humiliated and made to look like a fool in contrast to a "younger generation" of mostly race ambiguous characters.
It's nothing short of the pop culture equivalent of corpse defilement.
They dig up something that was pure and strong and worthy of admiration, and they kick it around for 90 minutes for the sake of...what? Showing that the glory days don't last for even our most cherished heroes?
Depressing, is all, man. Commies did the "non pop culture equivalent" of corpse defilement just like this 100 years ago in places like Spain, among others.
Beatified nuns and sainted priests and members of the nobility that were dead for decades were dug up to be...humiliated in death.
This is what gets these degenerates off.
Same people that pull off statues or "reevaluate" historical figures. Even when they pretend it's for the common good, there's always a sinister agenda.
Instead, now we don't worship saints and historical figures, so they feel like they have to piss on the fictional heroes of popular culture. Sick fucks, these bastards are.
@@evanharrison4054 A Hebrew trick.
@@evanharrison4054 I like you analyses.
Picard is where Professor X would have gone to die if Kurzman had gotten his hands on Logan.
.... They would have launched Prof X to space? What?
Logan was how you end a franchise with dignity . ST Picard is how you end a franchise with hatred and contempt .
I feel like one of the fundamental problems with Star Trek these days is that it is no longer episodic. With every iteration of ST prior to "Discovery": every episode was wrapped up at the end. Maybe it was "to be continued..."; but, you knew it'd be wrapped up at the end of the next one. Now, today, every version has to be a 13 hour movie broken into 42minute segments, each "ending" in a moment designed to trigger a lizard brained curiosity response. All of this without the depth, character development or plot needed to fill a 3 hour movie, much less a 13 hour movie. But hey, if I don't like it they must just be subverting my expectations.
Except for DS9 which did some story arcs. But they never lasted full seasons. And in some cases they forced the audience to pay attention to the show or they'd miss certain things like Garek asking Odo if he cares about anyone and Odo kind of not really answering but implying there's no one. When we'd already seen in past episodes that wasn't the case. Which backed up his statement "If there were I certainly wouldn't tell you". they managed to put a lot of arc based stuff into stand alone episodes which was quite cool. Now it's as you said a 13 hour episode and if you don' tlike they episode you're pretty much screwed. Or just don't watch. Which is what I do.
@@reaverofjillsandwiches Or Enterprise which had a whole season arc. And toward the end of Season 4 where they were starting to hint at the looming war with the Romulans which would have been a seasonal or multi-seasonal arc had the show continued.
@@MrMikellsof88 if only it had gotten one more season it could have redeemed itself
@@LordSluggo Yeah but I think people were getting fed up with the TCW. I loved it personally but then I'm always a sucker for time travel and alternate timelines (within reason, he says while sideeying the reboot movies)
it has nothing to do with the story telling format. it has to do with flat, piss poor writing, the inability to develop characters, and create stories that people want to watch. ds9 was probibly the best star trek that ever happened. it broke all the rules and did it without sucking. now they just break the rules to watch the world burn.
When Picard Season 1 was announced, like many fans I was ready for some new adventures of captain Picard. And I had high hopes and expectations for this new show. Here is my list of what we really needed more of from Star Trek and that Picard season 1 delivered:
-Violence (check)
-Cursing (check)
-Murder (check)
-Slavery (check)
-Racism (check)
-Poverty (check)
-Yelling (check)
-Planetary Destruction (check)
-Drug Use/Smoking (check)
-Alcoholism (check)
-PTSD (check)
-Black Marketeering (check)
-Disrespect (check)
-More Violence (check)
-Bigotry (check)
-Genocide (check check)
-Torture (check)
-Hopelessness (check)
-Organ Harvesting (check)
-Child Abandonment (check)
-Mass Killings/Executions/Extermination (check)
-Refugee Crisis (check)
-Madness/Insanity (check)
-MORE Violence (check)
-Decapitation (check)
-Incest (check)
-Explosive Decompression / "Spacing" (check)
-Depression (check)
-Organized Crime (check)
-Disease (check)
-Lawlessness (check)
-Materialism (check)
-Revenge Killing (check)
-Kidnapping (check)
-MORE VIOLENCE (check)
-Serial Killing (check)
-Religious Fanaticism / Violence (check)
-Suicide (check)
-Betrayal (check)
-Terrorism (check)
-Vomiting (check)
-Human Trafficking (check)
-Stabbings / Impalements (check)
-Immolation / Melting (check)
-Defenestration (no windows involved so not quite - kinda check)
-BREXIT (check)
-Sheer Fucking Hubris (check)
-Spam / Pop-up Advertisement (check)
-MoRe ViOLeNcE!!!! (check check and check)
Kurtzman and co. really delivered but even they were not perfect. Obviously they missed a few things that really represents what Star Trek stands for, but hopefully they will make up for it in season 2. Here is just a small list that I am sure Kurtzman will cover:
-Famine
-Theft
-Wanton Property Destruction
-Sexual Assault
-Robbery
-Animal Abuse
-Arson
-Indentured Servitude
-Corruption / Bribery
-War Crimes
-Coercion / Threats
-Hate Crimes
-MORE CURSING
-Race Baiting
-Negligence
-ULTRA VIOLENCE
-Drug Trafficking
-Disintegration
-Illegal Gambling
-Mutiny / Dereliction of Duty
-Child and Elder Abuse
-Diplomatic Crisis
-Wrongful Imprisonment
-Mutilations
-Death/Blood Sports
-Rioting
-Embezzlement
-Psychological Torture
-Propaganda
-Religious Suppression
-Nihilism
-Environmental Destruction
-War Profiteering
-Time Travel to Destroy/Alter History
-Totalitarianism
-Student Loans
-Robo-Calling
.... and MORE VIOLENCE
Now I know 4 seasons of Star Trek Discovery has already covered a lot of this but we need this in Picard too. Can't wait for season 2! Gene Roddenberry would be proud.
I just don't recognize anything after Enterprise with captain Archer as Star Trek anymore.
Not Voyager?
Janeway was my fav
(but also the first Star Trek I happened to see when I was young)
Sorry, but Enterprise sucked!
I mean seriously, has "actor" Scott Bakula ever played any character besides *Scott Bakula* ?
@@MrNicoJac I really enjoyed Voyager. Specis 8472 still gives me the creaps.
Enterprise for all its faults and it definitely has lots was the last recognizable Star Trek. I didn't enjoy the time travel shit but the feel of the ship, the crew and the early Federation was right. It also showed the professionalism that would be required for such a mission as the Enterprise.
@@grantorino2325 Your not wrong. Scott is definitely the weakest Captain.
But I'd rather have Scott Bakula over Burnham or dementia Picard.
I recall reading that Paramound and the other company with the rights split after that, and it was agreed upon that if star trek would be made again, it had to look and seem creatively different. We never will get that kind of Star Trek again
Seven of Nine is in this because Jeri Ryan was A) available, and B) didn’t ask for as much money as Levar Burton or Michael Dorn.
and C) fancied being a lezzer for the lols. No offence, I don't mind lesbians at all, but this inclusion was more for diversity than sense. Last we remember 7 of 9 was that she was with Chakotay. I know they don't want Robert Beltran back for reasons just as they didn't want the original actor for Icheb for similar questionable reasons. It just is a bit meh really. I wasn't entirely taken with Jeri Ryan when she was added into the cast for Voyager. Kate Mulgrew didn't get on with her much during the filming. I had grown to like her though but with this subversion, she has gone back to dislike.
@@jackochainsaw I liked Seven of Nine, but it admittedly had nothing to do with her character or acting abilities.
@@williamcronshaw5262 you're a man after my own heart
@@williamcronshaw5262
I kind of make a point not to watch "Voyager", but I have seen Ms. Ryan elsewhere. I do get your point.
@@williamcronshaw5262 And Jeri Ryan still looks amazing.
Old Trek: Deep characters discussing philosophical, eternal questions.
NuTrek: Vandalizing everything in stupid action. That's it.
Haha damn. Good point about rick berman. Remember when we thought he was the worst thing to happen to Star Trek.
BOY were we wrong!
Stupid asses, the lot of us.
Why does it feel like all the Star Trek instalments have to have a galaxy-ending conflict now? I was entirely invested when their whole identity was about finding new cultures, or spending seven seasons getting back home. We want character focus, not massive singularities that can destroy planets and shit
The age old question has finally been answered. Who was better? Picard or Kirk?
Kirk, hands down. No more debate is needed. Kirk is our hero. Kirk is our captain. At least we can finally put that one to rest
@@OldieWan How is that relevant to anything I said though?
Because things like that take actual writing talent and risks, two things modern studios don't have. Explosions don't offend anyone and guarantee income.
@@OldieWan You might be reading too far into what I said there. I just asked why it's relevant to the galaxy-wide stakes I was talking about, I never insulted you
@@senseweaver01 It was relevant.
In the days of Kirk, it was about finding new cultures. He is the better captain. Always has been.
It really says something about hollywood in its' current state when they get the exact opposite reaction from teasers that they're shooting for. They expect everyone to be pleased and excited for Q showing up but personally all it does for me is fill me with dread. These writers and producers have proven that they couldn't find the pulse of their audience with an EKG cranked up to 11. Also letting Patrick Stewart into the writers room was the worst mistake they ever could have made. He was fine as Picard when there were competent show runners and writers working from Roddenberry's singular vision, but now, there is way too much of his own ego and political axes to grind wrapped up in the character. Hollywood is in terrible need of some actual adults to come in and snap these assholes out of their tailspin.
Lets be real, Hollywood was probably always full of politics and bullshit. These days its just become much more obvious, and their business model has become too solid to put breaks on their bullshit.
Let it all burn
It’s like hearing Mara Jade is coming to Star Wars.
The fans reaction: Oh hell no you don’t deserve to use, let alone use her character!
Are you sure that was the opposite reaction they wanted? Seems more like they were patting themselves on the back for seeing how much the fans hated them destroying Star Trek TNG's legacy. I bet they get off to it. They probably walk around with hatred hard ons.
Hollywood needs a conservative counterpart
I just watched two clips of season two. It was crushing. Had to come back here like therapy.
Q shows up sees Picard, says "aah... the trial continues..... oh, wait, you're a robot now. Guilty as charged." Roll credits one episode.
To quote the great Mr Plinkett: "Star Trek Picard is neither Star Trek or Picard."
And it's barely even a show.
“Frail old man happy to get out of the house for a while”. I genuinely spat beer out of my mouth with that one hahahaha!
You wasted good beer. Now that is really saying something.
Wasn't that funny
Sure you did. Thanks for not using the word "literally", that really rustles my jimmies when people spit things out 👍
I'm a real fan of Star Trek, and I actually tried to watch ST Discovery (I was extremely happy for a new series with modern effects, etc...) But unfortunately the show is so crappy that I couldn't stay awake for more than a couple episodes in season 2... And no, it's nothing against a woman in command or whatever those stupid woke are used to argument about... I watched the whole ST Voyager and enjoyed (not my favorite, but still Star Trek)... But Picard... Damn... I feel asleep in the first episode... More than once! It's really sad what they did with this once great franchise...
I love the look of Discovery. However, having now binge watched seasons 3 and 4, I can tell you season 2 was an insufferable chore to watch with an unlikeable Mary sue with a savior complex.
Season 3 and especially 4 are far more entertaining because they push an exploration or new stuff: races, time, etc. The fascinating setting does a lot to distract from the often annoying characters. Oh, but one issue you will notice: sci-fi makes rapid turns into pure, silly fantasy. You will encounter absurd concepts that make no sense in a sci-fi setting. Of course we get a computer that gains emotions. And it keeps mentioning something feels off even though all diagnostics are normal…
Patrick Stewart used to be my favorite character in all of Star Trek. His discipline, natural leader skills, his inner conflict with the Borg,...I could g on with this list. He was the kind of officer I could imagine commanding a nuclear aircraft carrier just as well as showing up in a smoking to hold the opening speech at an UN banquet. But I think the show screwed up his character to a point he didn't deserve. Of course Patrick Stewart is an old man by now and no longer the physically strong man he was in the 90s, but he is still doing good acting. But if you don't give him good material to work with, he can't do much.
I'm afraid you're giving him too much credit. Stewart is a man very full of himself for all he has accomplished, and it is known that TNG Picard has little similarities to the actor Patrick Stewart. With his cult status, he himself contributed a good bit to the abysmal writing of STP by not avboiding it.
TNG ended with “All Good Things.” No one can change my mind on that.
Unpopular opinion: Generations was awesome.
Somewhat popular opinion: First Contact was good.
Everything after First Contact= 💩
So First Contact was the end for me.
There are very few things in this universe that are absolute facts, this is one of them. TNG ended with All Good Things.
Agreed!
Generations was good; although disappointing, it really needed some outside eyes to reshuffle some scenes, and have Kirk on the Battle Bridge of the E-D destroying the Klingons before dying to make it phenomenal.
First Contact was awesome.
Insurrection is okay, but would have been so much better if they started it with a Dominion-war battle and someone of the main cast dying. And then their insurrection on the Ba'ku planet would be all about making sure that cast member and all the other people dying is not in vane, that Starfleet stays true to its ideals, rather than degenerate into something as bad or worse than the Dominion. Also, instead of that hypocritical sociopath character being a love interest for Picard, he should have called her out on her utter bullshit.
Nemesis was a plothole ridden pile of crap; although compared to 09 it was a masterpiece.
So for me, TNG ended with Insurrection.
@@3dmaster205 Acceptable.
It's hubris, they can't cancel these Star Treks because it would injure their pride.
The sheer fucking hubris
Yeah, sure it is. LoL, corporations care more about their pride than money! That's a good one. Keep em coming.
It would injure their WHAT? You mean that bad ability to adorn oneself with borrowed plumes or to beat on someone weaker that is still done and on the ground?
@@meoff7602 You....do realize that corporations are ultimately run by human beings too, right? Yes, the overriding impetus is money, but things like stupidity, hubris, and so on are just as much a factor for them as any individual person, if not moreso.
@@papapalps2415 LoL, okay buddy. Corporations care about other things than making more money. Whatever
I loved Enterprise, and thought it ended too soon.
I remember what an absolute hard-nosed, secret sweetheart that Seven of Nine could be from Voyager - she quickly became one of my favorite characters not just in Voyager, but in all of the new series... and I also remember how down-hearted I felt when I learned that she would be in Picard. I already had ZERO faith in New-Trek since just before Discovery and seeing how that went, I was pained by the idea of my body-suited darling being done wrong by these character assassins.
Oof.
>>absolute hard-nosed, secret sweetheart that Seven of Nine could be from Voyager
I’m a Trekkie, mum even made the whole family uniforms when we were kids to wear at conventions. I’ve never watched Picard and I turned off Discovery half way through the first episode. Klingons are my favourite alien race and they absolutely butchered them in that show. That’s when I know something was seriously wrong with the new shows
Klingons were so cool, especially when they got more fleshed out in tng and ds9. Thatever it was they showed in diversity werent klingons.
Something wrong with all of hollywood, Star Trek is just one of the many, many victims of woke garbage infecting everything.
They cannot allow any entertainment that actually encourages the audience to *think.*
Before or after you got confused by everyone calling fish people on a sarcophagus ship “Klingons”?
Very similar to my childhood. I ducked out earlier though and turned off Voyager during episode 2. Everything past the third season of DS9 has been pathetic trash.
Trailer: "We're going to fix the timeline."
Me: "Are you going back to terminate Alex Kurtzman's mother before he's born?"
(If it was up to) Me: "No! We're resetting the timeline so that Alex Kurtzman is a janitor at the San Quentin Correctional Facility!"
Its so laughable that this was in Production and is
now made,
and meanwhile, the Powerpuff Girls TV Show
is also in Production.
How many years has it been since 'The Last Airbender'?
Yet, Trash-Quality is by no means extinct; in fact,
i'd say the opposite is true.
Sex Sells and Trash-Quality in General (both nicely
blood-related though, duh) are on the March.
They're comin' for yaaa! They're coming clooooser!
...
Honestly it wasn't Kurtzman there would be someone else, maby even worse. Look at the CW shows.
@@Talsedoom Speculation...
the only way to save Star Trek is to make a metafictive movie where they go back in time to terminate Kurtzman, Orci, Goldsman and JJ.
But they have live ammo.
So, what happened to the rest of Picard’s old crew? You know, Beverly, Worf, etc? In any case, it’s a good thing they aren’t in it. They would have been desecrated too.
When it comes to Star Trek - Picard or Discovery I've seen exactly one episode of each. That was more than enough to convince me to keep moving and don't look back.
I dont even have the energy to be angry anymore Im just going to ignore it and make fun of the fact this video has more views than both trailers combined.
"Shit flows downhill, money flows up." - James Gandolfini as "Tony Soprano" in the series "The Sopranos"
MSTOW, men sent their own way
Shut up with that fucking mouth
Paulie Walnuts Gutierrez!
Wish we could go back to 1999 with the great shows.
I thought that was on game of thrones.
@@danieljliverslxxxix1164 all men are being sent their way by the feminists
Its so laughable that this was in Production and is
now made,
and meanwhile, the Powerpuff Girls TV Show
is also in Production.
How many years has it been since 'The Last Airbender'?
Yet, Trash-Quality is by no means extinct; in fact,
i'd say the opposite is true.
I love The Critical Drinker! This is the first time I've seen/heard one of his videos and this guy is the most insightful, honest, and funny-as-fuck human on TH-cam! A happy new subscriber here! Thank you!
“Sir, I protest, I am not *_a merry man!_* ”
Just confirms my opinion that Picard is Patrick giving his fans the middle finger.
I mean, he said that last year. More like reaffirmation than confirmation.
@@chrishoppner7875 I don't think Steward is in that age where he still can have extensive creative input. He's a very very old man. Plus he's never shown any kind of hatred toward his character in many previous interviews.
@@thefreshestslice4105 I didn't see that but you are correct, reaffirmation is more correct. I remember he mentioned his dislike of Picard even before the first episode.
One couldn't just be a respected actor. Oh no. He has to be a fucking "voice of reason" for the proles.
The ego of these people is so absurdly overdeveloped that they probably masturbate watching their own pics.
@@pineapplethief4418 I mean, maybe they _did_ take creative input from a confused elderly man who doesn't really care about Picard or Star Trek. It would explain why PIC Season 1 was such a trainwreck.
I don't think Stewart necessarily hates Picard, but it's been clear for a long time that he has little in common with the character and no qualms about projecting his own 21st century attributes onto him.
Cobra Kai is literally the only nostalgic show that hasn't been shit on... so far! 🤞 Nothing else is safe.
I surprisingly enjoyed Doctor Sleep. Probably the only decent sequel to something that was half-decent in the last ten years.
There are good shows out there... The Expanse is fantastic, The Handmaidens Tale is more than great... and The Boys are superb... also American Gods... just to name a few.
Agreed, Cobra Kai and as the other person said, Doctor Sleep have been really good continuations of nostalgic shows/movies so far. Here's hoping Cobra Kai actually stays that way.
@@emorsi The Handmaid's Tale? The show that's literal, unabashed progressive propaganda?
@@emorsi nice try but we all know you are trolling.
I’ll freely admit Star Trek 2009, Into Darkness, and Beyond pale in comparison to the older stuff, but they did introduce me to the franchise. They still hold a place in my heart for that alone.
"Set phasers to fuck..." I'm beside myself...
Q's Black female daughter is going to come and bring him back to the elderly Q nursing home where he is scheduled for "humane" termination by the young LGBTQ Q.
HaHaHaHaHa!!!! Well said!!
LGBT-Q is genius
I read shortly something like *LBTQIA* but I was a little to frightened to ask what the IA means.
A comment on a gameside got deleted and I got a "warning" because I wrote something like
LBTQLOLOMFG and something about melting snowflakes I think
@@666LonesomeSailor WHAT!?!?!?! And they were offended??? Did they melt like the Nazi officer in Raiders of the Lost Ark when they opened the Ark??
I do hope I remember this and use when appropriate.
Considering Q had a son, and frankly, Q2 episode of Voyager was both hillarious and smart.
If somebody had told me, just a couple of years ago, that Seth McFarlane of all people, would make an unofficial Star Trek tv-show that is better written & ''just get's'' the whole Star Trek ''vibe'', than any official Star Trek production, I would have called this person crazy.
And here we are,in 2021 and ''The Orville'' is putting to shame anything that has the Star Trek label attached, for over a decade!
I repeat, the guy who made that movie with the talking teddy bear & Marky Mark, makes a better Star Trek show, than any official Star Trek show!
Hell, I bet the hacks from RLM could write a better Star Trek show, than Alex Kurtzman at this point!
We must be truly in a Bizarro dimension or something....
“The guy who made the move with a talking teddy bear and Marky Mark”
Lost it at that.
Speaking of Seth, I just watched an ST:Enterprise episode yesterday and he was in the engineering deck of the Columbia getting briefed by Trip.
He really is a huge fen of the franchise... No wonder his stuff is better, as current holders couldn't care less about ST Lore, continuity and canon.
@@Francois424 He also hired a couple of the old Star Trek writers/producers for his show, so people who know this franchise, not the guy who wrote the Bayformers movies.
Communists hate competence, so they destroy anything born of it.
"They told me it couldn't be done, but I did it. I made my own Star Trek, with blackjack, and hookers."
Q was Tremaine's little brother. He showed up, I said "I've seen this episode" and never watched again.
That was the angriest "Go away now" I have heard the drinker throw out there yet, lol!
They tried the same cheap fanservice tactic in season 1. Characters we once loved all messed up and shoehorned into a badly written travesty that's an embarassment to everything Star Trek stood for.
I completely agree. It's a case of once bitten, twice shy. I won't be watching this second series because they basically trashed TNG with this garbage.
Yeah. Not even the glorious Jeri Ryan could get me to want to watch season 2 or rewatch season 1, not even if she sat in my lap and played with my hair...
Okay, maybe that but nothing short of that!
When I walked out of the theater in 2009, I remember thinking that just because some character has the same name as a character we all know, does not make that character the same character. I thought I was watching a parody of Star Trek.
With Picard it was even worse. It didn't feel so much like a parody as a deliberate insult, not to the characters but to us, the fans. It was a bait and switch. They promised a return of Picard, but they gave us an old man with zero command presence and less sense than a drunk Marine in a Korean cathouse.
The fanservice turned out to be more thumbing their nose at us by having once beloved characters either acting completely out of character or being placed into ridiculous situations and then having to act like it's business as usual. Frequently both.
Star Trek died when CBS bought it and started chopping the franchise up into little contractual morsels with moronic "must be X% different" clauses. Nobody cares anymore.
This is why i live in the past (with entertainment)
The only positive thing in Picard was the guest appearance by the Enterprise. I love what Star Trek used to promote, It really upsets me to see what it has become.
The guest appearance of the enterprise where they got the location of ten forward wrong? Deck ten, forward section (clues in the name) yet in Picard they zoomed in on ten slightly left of forward the identical yet unknown bar onboard
Savage! Loved it! "Diverse Female Space Jesus" almost spat my drink to the screen. :)
“Set phasers to fucked” 😂😂
“How is this show still going?”
$$$$. Studio heads are squeezing every bit of $$$$ out of Stewart and the Star Trek brand before he passes.
Lol that sound so morbid and depressing
Facts!
It’s still going because season 1 was a smash hit for All Access. Duh
I don't know anyone who's watching it
I kind of struggle to believe this is making anyone money
@@goddepersonno3782 it’s such a $/itshow nobody is watching
You know there's something wrong when you can religiously watch every episode of TNG for the rest of your days but the minute you see Q show up in the Star Trek "Picard" trailer you roll your eyes and turn the trailer off....
You know, had it been to me to reintroduce Q, I'd have emotional reunion of Guinan and Picard, ending episode with clifhanger when they two have moment of understanding and then familiar flash of light and wooosh sound effect happens and they slowy trun back, to camera in growing horror.....
I feel this pain. TNG is my go to when I don't have anything to watch and want to relax in front of the tv. Everything I love in entertainment is being warped and twisted into something I don't even recognize.
Its just the terrible revelation when you see one of your favourite characters in a kurtzman trek show and you know they are so gonna ruin it
I hate seeing characters I care about show up in these things. I don't want to see a character I care about morph into some asshole I don't recognise, or learn about what depressing and messed up shit has happened in their lives since I last saw them. I'm not watching season 2. I couldn't get through season one.
Glad to see so many of you are sane individuals
I haven't watched this show at all but I do find it odd that an immortal, ageless and basically godlike being has,... aged! Before someone says something, yes I understand that real people age but the Q can appear however they want and it would have made more sense for Q to appear as someone else and not an aging person instead of a younger person but still basically the same character. They could have even used CGI for his 1st appearance to make him look young but then come up with a reasonable situation that compels him to change his form into something more in line with the characters established egotistical background. Regardless of the situation I just don't believe that Q would appear as an aging man in his declining years. It's just not in-line with the Q character.
Yes, they missed a trick there, no imagination at all.
he literally warped his human appearance to be older. He hadn’t actually aged
@@skeleton819 obviously, but that isnt the point! The point is that Qs ego absolutely would not allow him to appear as an old man simply because such things are simply not in line with his character.
@@robertlane6431 old doesn’t always mean weak
@@skeleton819 I never suggested it did! The Q are all extremely proud of their immortality and power as they often boast about to other races and for any of them to present themselves on equal ground with mortal beings such as aging is a direct contradiction to this trait that all Q shar, even the ones that hate each other and the ones that respect mortals. The Q are not humble in any way whatsoever so the idea that they would present themselves in this way just doesnt fit the character.
This is so awesome!!. You are knee slapping funny. I loved every single moment of this. Thank you.
'I say we nuke the entire site from orbit. Its the only way to be sure." - Critical Drinker
No that won’t do, we’ll need that Xindi weapon from Enterprise to make sure all is destroyed. I did not like that season of Enterprise but man it was Shakespeare compared to STD and Pic
Nice Aliens reference
"Hold on one second, this franchise has a substantial dollar value to it" - Kurtzman
@@TrevPlatt He can bill me!
@@inblackestnight9256 To be honest, I was hoping someone would continue the iconic dialogue, but alas my time playing the part of the antagonist is over. Kurtzman did have some credit in the bank with me for Alias and Fringe (two of my all time favourites) but he's more than used that up now - and I'm not even that big of a Star Trek fan. Instinct, Salvation and Scorpion were all dreadful - and now he's shitting all over 5 Trek TV Shows, an upcoming Trek movie and, according to IMDb, 5 of Universals "monster-verse" or whater the hell they are calling it.
I mean, did they even say fuck in any of the movies?
Star Trek never portrayed us as perfect, but at least there was some level of transcendence. This just feels an abomination of Roddenberry's vision.
The original series and TNG were pure science fiction; narratives designed to explore philosophical ideas about humanity, consciousness, the nature of reality, and so on. Both series showed humanity not as we are, but as we could be, if we took the time and effort to look within and without and make the changes necessary to elevate ourselves. Kirk, Picard, and all their crew were very much human, but they were GOOD humans, the best of what we had to offer. Roddenberry's vision showed us not that utopias could exist, but that we were worthy of having them.
New Star Trek, though... I'm not interested in watching any of it, but it kind of seems like it's going with the woke idea that people are just garbage. It says "humans can never be anything other than what they are, which is up-jumped apes who kill and rape, because that's just what they do." There's no introspection, no questioning of our nature. Just shut up, check your privilege, and fall in line, swine. It's tiresome, boring, and not good science fiction.
I asked a similar question on another channel about Star Trek: Discovery. A commenter wrote that with streaming, it doesn't matter if a show sucks for it to stay on the air.
You forgot that Romulan young guy who’s name i forgot. He’s coming back.
I don’t mind Diversity or Picard, but you fucking nailed it!
Kurtzman has definitely been successful in making me no longer want to watch Star Trek movies and TV, which is a pretty high accomplishment considering my level of obsession with the franchise since before my age was double digits. I made the mistake of watching most of the first season of Picard out of curiosity. I don't think they could cook up something interesting enough for me to do that again.
Ya its impressively bad. I dont understand how people like kurtzman are employed.
@@hapablap2088 The dumber a society gets so does the entertainment.
Same
Star Trek ended with Enterprise
@@hapablap2088 I like picard... it better than the serioes to me
The only way this shit storm resolves in a satisfactory way: Picard is sent to UNDO discovery, and they end up nuking eachother's timelines, leaving only the NON JJ timeline. Wait, No.. Sigh... that idea is way to complicated for these writers to understand.. so.....
Yep.
I dont know, i am still trying to get past hearing Discovery having a 4th season. I will get back to you if i ever reach that acceptance stage thing.
I chortled.
So far, season two has been great! I share your fears though when this video was uploaded, the first season was not so good. Still plenty of time for S2 to fall in a black hole though!
Episode 1 of the second season of Picard is out and the drunken ramblings of the Drinker are pretty spot on!
If I could go back and tell my 12 year old self that in 2021 you don't even watch Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. he would have laughed in my face. And yet here we are....😏
And the rest Doctor who , James Bond .ect. PATHETIC .
I felt that deeply.
And Star Wars . . If I'd time travelled and told the 10yo me that I wouldn't even bother watching ep 7 8 and 9 the 10yo me would've gone "wahhhhh. Piss off ya gray haired old bastard"
Actually that's pretty much what you already said.
I feel the same... And that's only because we've only seen bad, expensive fan fiction in these franchises since then - written and produced by people who aren't fans
I really hope Q is like "aw shit, totally forgot to undo this other timeline I created. Alright old man, time to get stabbed in the heart again."
Kurtzmann Is not worth that kind of hope. 🤣🤣
@@pedrovargas2181 sadly, you're right...
It is so sad we never got Axanar!
Just realized that Demolition Man, a violent Stallone action movie, censored the eye removal scene, while Star Trek showed it in graphic detail.
If the writers had ANY talent, when Q first sees Picard he would say "Wait, you're and android now? No, that won't do." SNAP Picard is human again.
Well said.
Careful there, that’s actually writing and pretty damn good too, good for Picard Season 2
Its so laughable that this was in Production and is
now made, and meanwhile, the Powerpuff Girls TV Show
is also in Production.
Holy shit that is so much better. Well thought.
Q doesn't even mention anything about it which seems really off character.
That's waht the actual Q would do.
“If Beyond and Discovery killed the franchise, then Picard resurrected its decaying corpse, bent it over a table, and had its way with it using the teddy bear from my Doctor Who analogy” - Critical Drinker
Nemesis?
Beyond was great, the worst movies where number. 9 and 10 and the reason for a restart. All went just boring.
And when Picard is done with defiling every hole that Trek has left: Brave New Worlds is coming in for Sloppy Seconds.
@@RogueFox2185 Don’t forget Lower Dreck
@Barnaby Wentworth How did Voyager kill it?
You make me laugh and nod my head in agreement far too much.
Alex Kurtzman taught me a lesson that lying on your resume and fucking up constantly is fine if you know enough people.
And you better believe it!
You talked about exciting times when the worlds collided, in Generations when Picard met Kirk in his home and Kirk made eggs....... That scene blew my mind and still does. Incredible dialogue and accurate character portrayal, Shatner nailed Kirk after such a long hiatus.
The Kirk died though was pure caca.
I member. I cried when Kirk died. That was 25 years ago but I'd rather watch that again
The two of them together will always be one of the most epic moments of Star Trek. And yes, the dialogue....so many great quotes.
I know people hate how Kirk died, but if you look deeper.... In The Final Frontier during the camping scene (which is my most fav thing) Kirk said he knew he wasn't going to die when he was mountain climbing because Bones and Spock were with him, and that when he died, he knew he would be alone. And he "died" twice so to speak - once saving an "Enterprise" with two of his crew on it, as well as the daughter of Sulu, and then the second time saving an entire world along side an Enterprise Captain. If that isn't Kirk, I don't know what is.
The thing that makes me emotional is that life is imitating art, because Dee and Leonard are gone and Bill is "alone."
The hell that is Seven of Nine in this show is *unforgivable.*
Dammit, I related to her as an autistic kid, and now Picard is like, "I want to have her take over the planet with Borg."
What they did with Icheb is unforgivable
@@aleksander8497 Frankly speaking, they had wasted MOST TERRIFIC SETUP - Seven, Icheb, Hugh, Locutus and most distinctive antagonists of series: Romulans and Borg ( Remember, reintroducing Romulans in TNG was supposed to be effect of Borg actions ripping outposts in Neutral Zone, and Voyager based whole Unimatrix Zero plot on Hugh - quite clever reference by B'ellona). Hell, remember relationship between Q2 and Icheb?
@@aleksander8497 Like, they massacred my baby...
Hey, I liked Captain Archer’s enterprise! Especially the last season! And even those who don’t will have to admit, it’s a masterpiece compared to anything Kurtzman has done. Kind of like the Disney Star Wars trilogy suddenly made people appreciate the previously hated prequels much more.
Not really. Lucas created trash with the Prequels: he didn't care about the story, they were just money grabs, plain and simple.
@@mustang6599 That's wrong on many levels.
In Beta Canon, anyways, Seven became something of a celebrity after Voyager returned to the Alpha Quadrant. So, Picard would have more than likely crossed paths with her at some point, or at the very least knew who she was.
Can a show be so terrible that the company just does a season two to spite the world? I’m looking at you, Batwoman...
The arrogance of Hollywood is infinite. Of course they would make another season just to attack people for hating the first one
Yes they can. Looking at you Chuck Lorre. He kept Two and a Half Men going just to prove a point to bad boy Charlie. Then you have Grays Anatomy ...
The average youtuber brings in more profit than CW... so the answer is yes.
and now a season 3 🤦♀️
That was Deep Space Nine. It was subversive crap intended to be subvert everything about Star Trek. Idiots think it's good because idiots think subversion is good.
The thing I love about Star Trek is that it's one of the only shows that present a future to look forward to. It gives people hope for the future of humanity, unlike all other science fiction which is about dark, bleak, dystopian futures. Now they're doing it to Star Trek and it kills me. The world is so full of suffering and hate why can't we just have something happy for once.
Well said.
Even when deep space nine got dark it was still a future to look forward to, one with a visible light at the end of the tunnel.
Social-engineering, mind control and the all encompassing circle of fear.
Predictive programming.
Abandon all hope.
Accept the doom.
Take the "vaccine".
Go to sleep.
I totally agree with you. It's sad to see the uplifting vision of the Original Series and the Next Generation completely excised from the recent ST shows. Hope is one of the three theological virtues, a gift to Man toiling away in a fallen world. Unfortunately, the people responsible for producing mass media entertainment hate you as they hate this world. No hope is allowed; only bleak emptiness. To wit:
1. The people who produce this crap hate you; take your pick from any of these: they hate you for being male, they hate you for being White, they hate you for supporting Trump, they hate you for not supporting BLM rioters, they hate you for not liking Strong, Independent Women, they hate you for being American, they hate you for having disposable income, they hate you for mocking their views....they hate you for not being a perfect reflection of the politics of the Current Moment.
2. But, most of all, these people hate themselves and the world because most have been corrupted by the inheritors of the Frankfurt School. A Marxist philosophy of deconstruction that asserts there is no meaning to life and human striving is pointless and despicable. To the proponents of this nihilistic view, any concept of transcendent hope is as garlic to a vampire.
Like Morgoth in Tolkien's epic tale, those who are only capable of hate can only destroy; they are unable to create anything new. So, these dim lights responsible for our entertainment today, lacking the power of creation, instead seize the vibrant, hopeful stories that make up the foundation of our culture (ST, Star Wars) and either make them ridiculous or corrupt them into dark, hopeless tales that bear no resemblance to their lineage.
We are NOT ALLOWED to hope. We are NOT ALLOWED anything transcendent or beautiful. ALL is empty and pointless.
@@Zapp__Brannigan Obama destroyed hope with his hope.
Trump brought action and got crucified for it.
The U.S. is fucked right now.
Stay smart guys, don't fall for the traps.
The most awkward part is that, after the first season of Picard, they had everything in place to start a new, optimistic and positive future for the characters. Sure, many of them were scrappy and probably wouldn't fit well on a starship, but you could easily have had them partake in some parts of the story while the next generation (pun intended) of Startfleet's finest boldly go meet the next challenge head on with Picard - and maybe Seven - being there to lead them until they can pass the torch on to the new crew.
I would totally accept ST: Picard Season 1 as the necessary step to get there. But now that I watched the trailer for season 2, I am legitimately afraid it's just going to be a mindset of doomsday after doomsday plot.
Which is a trend STD started for the franchise. S1: Klingon war. S2: Control. S3: Burn. S4: yet another catastrophic spatial phenomenon that ... if you'll excuse me Drinker ... diverse female space jesus will be solely qualified to fix.
As a rabid Trek fan ... I can't even help but to watch it. Because in my core I WANT IT TO BE BETTER AND I DON'T WANT TO MISS WHEN THAT HAPPENS. But logic tells me that it's going to continue to suck, and that my ever growing list (there is legit a list) of in-universe problems with this show is going to continue to grow.
Hmm. Might be an idea. TH-cam videos detailing every mistake that's been made with the series and movies since 09 from a true fan's perspective.
@@MrMikellsof88 I can feel your pain. Frankly though, I will simply pass over pretty much everything Trek until someone else is at the helm and gives it a try to see how they respect the original vision. In the meantime, I can happily watch the pre-JJ stuff in all its greatness - and flaws - while convincing myself that absolutely nothing else was made after Enterprise.