Yep. Every major Disney animated film from 1937 to 1963 had a different style. Sleeping Beauty's art approach looked nothing like Snow White. Now, they all seem to be the same jelly bean look to eyes and faces.
@@Firehazerd5444 ABSOLUTELY! It's ALWAYS the fault of the fans! I mean, what other possible reason could there be? They have the most talented, progressive writers that hollywood has to offer, how could it be anything except sensational, if only the fans were woke enough to appreciate it. You are wise beyond years.
I know this was released as a reaction to the trailer, but honestly - I really REALLY enjoyed the first two seasons of Lower Decks. The adage that this was aimed at kids is not really accurate - it's for adults. Prodigy is for the kids. Would like to see a reaction video now that two seasons have gone by and see if you still have the same opinion?
I am also very curious what he thinks now. The show is really fun and pokes fun of trek in ways that a true fan would. "Did you just say sen-soars?" The male characters aren't weak to female character look strong. The character development for them is awesome. Brad's character arc is amazing, you can't not love The Boims. We are watching him grow into trek legend material.
@@longshot5866 I think he would say the same thing, but rather that they bank more on memes and nostalgia as they made Trek into a comedy, when it was serious with occasional quest themes (TOS), existential meaning (TNG) or serious political threads (DS9). Something like "yeah you might be Trekkies, however this series is aimed at post-millennial humour, a new Trek audience with some homages, but what you're making isn't Trek because Trek isn't slapstick and it would require trying to ignore how incompetent these people are for the sake of the plot". Then probably reference The Orville as doing a better version because it's an original IP that found an audience and went with it without messing up Trek canon (to the Drinker, canon and continuity loyalty in the sense of treating it with respect is huge).
@@TheKnightOfSmite Makes me think of the South Park term "memberberries". It works, I suppose. I sure watched the show and got pulled in however it was not TOS, TNG and DS9 levels of contextual depth.
3 years later, I'm happy to see that this Drinker Review doesn't represent what Lower Decks is. I avoided it like the plague at first because after shows like Picard and Discovery, I certainly was NOT into the idea of a cartoon parody jokey show that picked fun at something I loved... But now having seen 2 seasons of Strange New Worlds -- an actual GOOD TREK SHOW in the 2020's no less -- I was willing to give Lower Decks a go. I was ready to have some fun to go beside the (mostly) taken seriously Strange New Worlds. And I gotta say... i LOVE Lower Decks. I love it a lot, actually. It's REALLY good, and you can tell the people involved give a damn about Trek because it celebrates it in the most fun way... praising Trek while poking fun at it's ridiculousness. It's the PRAISING part that is important because you can tell the jokes at Trek's expense come from a place of love. It's not vile, crule, or meanspirited like you get from other shows and movies that seem to want to dump on things we like. I would genuinely say watch Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Give them another go if you gave up on them before. I think you will find them to be quite enjoyable! Thankfully, the negatives that are given in this review are not things that came to light. Boimler (purple hair guy) is an awkward punching bag, but he's extremely intelligent and competent and they show that constantly, he's just also naïve. Mariner (the gal he's with) is the hot-shot street-smart ensign, who has lots of experience and contacts, but really sucks at being "starfleet", only being IN it for reasons that are revealed quickly. Lower Decks is entirely lacking in the mean-spirited, social politics that exist today. Lower Decks IS for people who love Trek.
Your comment was truly helpful. They fK other Francise in the name of inclusiveness... They focus more on LGBTQUVWXYZ++ rather than story but we are fans we don't care unless the story is good and engaging
like a growing number of people, I rarely go to the movies (years apart) and I don't subscribe to these horse shit streaming services. I often find out how bad they are through guys like Critical Drinker. And I really think the content creators ripping on this shit is giving me much more entertainment...for free.
Dude that worked for Star Wars. Seth McFarlane needs to be the emperor if Ian McDiarmid falls ill or worse. Seth gets the campy awesomeness of Ian's Palply, and that shows more respect for the title character than Star TP ever did
They’re destroying art to take away people’s ability to think freely, it’s all part of the incoming subjugation, they don’t need us watching movies, they need us doing our jobs, making money and asking no questions, it’s a sad state of affairs really
Drinker, I have to say that while first impressions do matter, here I believe it was more mistake in marketing than it was a fault of the show. The first two episodes were a bit too dry, I’ll definitely admit, but I gotta say that the rest of the show has been nothing but stellar. It is a parody in the best sense of Star Trek as a whole, constantly referencing and quipping on some of the more ridiculous aspects of the show in a way that only somebody working in a place like the lower decks could possibly accomplish, and overall it is an absolute win. out of a long laundry list of crap that CBS has put out time and again for our unfortunate viewing “pleasure“, this has actually been a rare gem that I eagerly await the next episode for. i highly t recommend you give this a shot!
When I was 10 I remember watching Buffy, Star Trek, new adventures of Superman, Farscape, Sliders, Star Wars (I know it wasn't a series but I watched it every week like it was 1). Kids are so much more switched on and mature than they give them credit for.
@@ShiftyKen08 I'm pissed but I don't really like Trek. When Trek works it REALLY works, but this shit doesn't inspire any confidence in me. Frankly Robot Chicken's Night Crew was more downplayed and less desperate in it's humor and that was a frickin Robot Chicken skit.
@@sophiam2095 That is exactly what I was thinking, and that was just a skit on Robot Chicken! How sad is it that a short skit had more in-depth characterization than that whole trailer did?
"HERE! MORE TREK< YOU LIKE IT DONT YOU< YOU MUST LIKE IT< HERE EVEN MORE TREK< HONEST IT'S ALL GOOD TREK! LIKE IT! LIKE IT!" - Corporations and the capitalists who own them, via Kurtzman. "Leave me alone -.-" 90% of the fan base.
I usually agree with the drinker but this time you may have been premature with this one. I binged this show after getting Paramount plus for the sole reason of watching the DE of Star Trek-TMP. Now while I agree Picard and Discovery are almost unbearable to watch, this show made me laugh and I thought it really picked up by mid-season one and continued through season two. Being animated you can do a lot more and there are so many fun Easter eggs and call backs to prior Star Trek shows, including TAS. Sober up my friend and give it another shot. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
@@jonoctopie2779 No, he is a Trek purist. LD is saddening if this is how it has to be - giving Futurama humor a Trek franchise paint. It's kinda like watching Wrath of Khan but with shaking camera and 50% lens flares on screen all the time. - It's just not a feasible mix. BTW, I like Picard (relatively much), but LD I could only endure half a season or so.
The Orville: made by a man who has a genuine love of the Star Trek series, and wanted to share his love. Modern Star Trek: made because money, they love money
Even though the early episodes were occasionally hit-or-miss, any good series tends to need a little time to find its focus. (Even Spock in TOS was more human the first few episodes.) But TNG improved, found its winning formula and did not deviate from it, and that is why it is the epic series it is. And then PICARD came along and squandered the goodwill. Captain Picard, you deserved better than what you got.
After watching 3 seasons of this show, I honestly really liked it, so I really wish Critical Drinker would make a new review. I know that Star Trek has a really bad record before this so it’s understandable why he is not hopeful for this show. But man it’s actually pretty good imo
I actually avoided this show because of this review. My kids started watching, and we all love the show now. I think you're right, I believe the drinker jumped the gun on this show.
Okay, I'm gonna give this show another chance because the VERY OPENING SCENE is ultra cringey. To me, that's not really Star Trek. The pilot of Strange New Worlds was more of what I think Star Trek is, even though it was a bit on the nose about the "strange alien humanoid world" destroying itself with super-nukes. Lower Decks honestly felt like CBS was pitching the idea of "Hey, that show Family Guy is _really_ popular. We need our own Family Guy, but we just have the Star Trek IP. What can we do?"
Early Drinker: "As always thank you for your time and hope you enjoyed the video." Later Drinker: "That's all I have for today....go away now." Modern Drinker: "Anyway whatever leave me alone." No better reflection of the progression of a career in modern media criticism.
Can't say I blame him. Star Trek was a great "universe", with good characters, compelling stories, and some pretty decent acting. WAS. Now, it's turned into shyte, ruined by "agendas", destruction of everything that made it great, and ignoring what the fans want, in favor of trying to...hell, I don't even know what they're trying to do. But what I do know is, the last few years have seen the destruction of every single franchise that was once considered great. Aliens, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Star Trek...all of them torn down, destroyed, reduced to sad, pathetic parodies of what once made them great. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I can't shake the feeling that this is all deliberate.
Honestly, I love it. Jack Quaid always gives his all. The modern live action shows are undoubtably shit but this is a really fun show looking at Star Trek from a different view never before seen.
It's interesting that "The Orville", actually written by Seth MacFarlane ended up being far more respectful than the "real" franchise is now. That show even had a couple of pretty thought provoking episodes. Maybe because the man is a legitimate fan of the original series'.
Tbh, if you watch this show you can tell the writers are also fans of the old Trek. They poke fun at some of the sillier stuff and it can come off as a bit of nostalgia bait, but it seems like these references and riffs come from a sincere place of love.
I found Orville to be missing too much of the real core, dunno. It was like a well-meaning copy job of someone who might be a fan, but not one of the smartest fans. An excellent example for fans doing great stuff with the lore is, of course, *Star Trek Continues.*
@@Dowlphin Orville is 100% it's own show, though. I just mean that a brief shadow of the *feeling* I got from the latter ST:VOY or early ST:ENT franchises is there. On the other hand, the newer proper Star Trek shows have had none of the flavour of the past. My point is simply that for a standalone, humor based show that isn't even in the same IP, the Orville felt a whole lot more like the 1990s Star Treks. It is also my opinion that the new ones have been an absolute dumpster fire. Typical of much that comes out of Hollywood these days. Lots of action sequences, shallow characters and even more shallow social commentary.
I remember when I was a kid, I used to watch Batman: TAS and Star Trek TNG back to back every weekday. As a nine year old I had an abundance of things presented to me in fiction that challenged me to think about the world in different ways. It's sad that kids nowadays have practically nothing to watch that actually takes shit seriously, it's like all of media is trying to teach them that nothing is worth thinking about, it's all about hyperactive gags and stimulating emotions in shallow, meaningless ways.
I totally agree take the CW heroes for example. There's no logic or learning just over the top emotional dribble. That has finally caught up them. Anyway Star Trek is definitely dead and I won't worry about strange new worlds until kurtzman is out because no one base on the numbers anybody going to finance it
@@cliffordterrell957 supernatural is a great example of your comment. Seasons 1-5 were gold, then the preaching came, the wokeness, the endless bickering between Sam and Dean that was the same three arguments all the way to season 15. It blows my mind how trash the CW has become
@Optimus Prime I'm not sure what's upbeat about LD. The trailer is a series of unfunny jokes. I know a lot of 8 year olds (I happen to be a teacher) who are more mature than the so-called characters in LD.
Here I sit broken-hearted. Tried to shit but only farted. Still better writing than anything in Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who etc during the last several years.
I started Lower Decks with skepticism, and first few episodes were shaky. However sad to say its the most enjoyable series of the 3 current ones, and is the most true to its TNG roots while poking at problems within the Trek universe at the same time.
It has found it's feet better in the later seasons, but relies heavily on member berries and cameo's to get the older crowd in, and I agree with the annoying continuation of useless/weak male leads. Also the Drinker was spot on, I would have been ~10 when I got into TNG and it captivated a younger me almost immediately, because it's genuinely good, a possible future to actually aspire to.
@@foxpants It takes a fan team to produce a truly masterful continuation of true Trek. I hope you are all already aware of *Star Trek Continues.* - Man, I love the fact there is one example to show how it can be done, to continue the lore faithfully, respectfully.
Agreed, my Mrs tried to tell me this for a year b4 I caved and watched it and yeah it is, unlike everything else it seems like it was made with a genuine love for the franchise... I can only assume as a cartoon it was dismissed as not worth while by the studio and it's creators were more or less left alone to produce something actually Star Trek
The captain needs a certain amount of confidence and wisdom, or else why are they the captain? This said, the point of a Star Trek captain is to go out and face the unknown. They can't always be right. They have to fail and recover or there's no point. Kirk and Picard failed all the time and had to recover. Pike, Janeway, and Sisko - fail, fail, fail, recover, recover, recover. This is what gives the audience the confidence that the crew needs to have in the fact that the captains are worth their pay checks. Yeah that's right, paid in money. Forget all that "there's no money in the future" nonsense. In the first season or two of STTNG, Wesley Crusher was annoyingly right about everything in every episode, to the point where you have to wonder how other starships survive without a Wesley on board. Everyone hated him about as much as Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch. Wesley was a Gary Stue. That's the male equivalent of a Mary Sue. Wesley wasn't right on target but he was close enough that I despised him in every scene. Nobody likes a Mary Sue, or a Gary Stue.
@Ruosong Gao I'm not sure how "popular" they are. Especially today when they've become so common that there's a name for it and people are aware that they exist.
@@protorhinocerator142 I thought being good at things is only one aspect of a Mary Sue, the other being their unrelenting redeeming qualities? In that case I might challenge the idea of him being one by pointing out that while Wesley was incredibly bright and talented, he was also immature, impulsive, insecure, and at times irresponsible (hm). A smart dumb kid.
it hasnt, the audience has simply changed. most real Trek Fans never even watched the show at all, and many of the ones who did watch it checked out during season 1(when it was at less than 33% audience score). now its just a bunch of normie Paramount+ subs and superfans desperate for _anything_ Star Trek related.
Fantastic, LD may be more a parody but it done a lot more to remain in the lore than Discovery, "Picard" and SNW even tried to do, Beckett is everything that Burnham is not, funny, relatable and intriguing at times as character and Boimler, Tendi and Rutherford character growth is something that we have not seen much lately in a Star Trek Series...my only critic is about the character of Jennifer Sh'reyan, Mariner Andorian "babe" in Season 3, I mean I actually like the character and to me it would have helped to speak more about Andorian culture, but honestely her character has been used very badly, with little character development, so I will not hold a grudge on anyone to erasing the character, I do however hope they use a good escape route like Jennifer been in fact an Orion Sydicate operator under disguise or been originally in liege with Admiral Buenoamigo...thus as I said it's quite a pity, given that in Star Trek Lore Andorian have actually four sexes(two male and two females, apparently in order to allow multiple offspring births with little "energy waste" as possible in shorter time, which would make sense if your species is originally from an Ice Planet, where living condiction are harsh at best), they could usually Jennifer character as adult comedy relief as was used the character of Bortus in THe Orville, like...... Mariner: Jen, sorry if I ask, but....well might I ask you a personal question? Jennifer: Of course, shoot it Mariner: Alright...you recall our last night in my bed(Mariner face turn a little red)...well I did notice that you have a sort of.....third "antenna" between your- Jennifer: Ah I see...(Jennifer lay closer to Mariner whispering into Mariner's ear) ..that isn't my antenna..did you want to try it? Mariner:.......I suddenly realize the meaning of Quark's joke about Andorian female Jennifer: Quark? The Owner of of Quark's bar Franchise..you know him? Mariner: Of course, I know him, I was briefly assign to Ds9 ..I think it was around the time when Wolf became commander of the Station, I even had quite a Bath'leth fight with a couple of Klingon during- Jennifer: Interesting, about we go inside that cabin and speak more on the subject... Mariner: ehm Jen, I am quite sure that cabin belong to someone else Jennifer(whispering): it will be more exciting..... Mariner: Alright I see the all "female Andorian are more promisculate of males" but...right now- Jennifer: Yes? Boimler: Hey girls, sorry if I bust in-....Sorry I was interrupting something? Mariner. NO!..I mean, if you have someting important to tell, you had to interrupt us! Let me help you! Boimler: Well, thanks Mariner but actually it is just a simple task, I was just- Mariner: Please! How could I left you alone, let me accompany you to the mess hall! Boimler: But actually I was- Mariner: I'll see you later, Jen, sorry duty call(Mariner walk away draggin Boimler) Jennifer: Do not worry...(lower tone) coward Mariner: Boimler.....you do not know but I think you just save me from a very 'red' situation,...consider that I owe you a solid Boimler: how about you stop dragging me and we call it even? Mariner: No can do...at least allow me to reach the next corner first!
8:14 THANK YOU! I’ve been saying this shit for years that just because they don’t have the experience of age doesn’t mean you should treat them like morons. After being forced to watch modern “kids” movies with my family (I’m the oldest by around 7 years), it always pissed me off how simple and stupid the dialogue is because they think children are fragile. Too fragile that they can’t handle mature themes like maintaining functional relationships or death. Children that inevitability grow up and will get pissed that you thought they were an idiot. I don’t know about anyone else but went back at the movies of my childhood like The Lion King, Shrek, Mulan, Toy Story, I was surprised by the themes they covered. It’s alsmost as if the filmmakers respected the adults being forced to watch with their kids by making it enjoyable for everyone. Hell, even stuff like Space Jam respected my intelligence by going places didn’t need to go.
When I was a kid, my favorite movies were Star Wars, back to the Future, The Hunt for Red October and sister act. Some of them have a little goofiness or some jokes but generally they're pretty serious. I could never get into the really goofy slapstick stuff, at a young age it just wasn't as interesting as the high stakes gambits and consequences from more complex movies
*Avatar - The Last Airbender* would be a good example of high-quality kids TV. Quite the mature themes in it, but kids can totally handle that when conveyed in the right style. Also, as a reverse example, of course, *MLPFiM,* a show made for young girls, but because the show creation was a work of love, with the fan enthusiasm factor, and made with compassion for parents watching with their kids in mind 😅, it is quite delightful to watch for adults, too, at least those not totally jaded by the grimdark side of reality.
He was raised on a healthy mixture of Soviet classics of animation and pictures by PIXAR and Dreamworks - they gave unforgettable impressions and inspiration. They knew how to joke and were not afraid to raise serious topics. Therefore, both children and adults love them. I didn’t like Disney at first sight, and I still have a wild allergic reaction to him. They seemed so... hysterical. Now I look and am disgust at what idiots the creators of this crap take us for. What’s annoying is not even the quality and primitivism, but the expectation that we will really empathize with complete scum of the level of Family Guy.
@@Dowlphin Yes! Great example! I remember when my brother and I came across him on TV, we watched it all day, he fascinated us so much. And for God's sake don't mention MLP, I'm starting to start rainbow foaming from my ears
"people used to watch star trek because it was smart, toughtful and engaging" yep, correct. And that's exactly what's missing from all the latest trek incarnation
Everything in the latests versions end in combat, always combat. And if they TRY some personal or crew issues, it's so bland and easy solutions ... Like no philosophical stuff, no reflections on real life dynamics with issues ( doesn't happen every episode but previous versions had a way of making fitting episodes about it )
Same. Once you get past the first couple of episodes it's pretty good and gets better as it goes along. Much closer to the 90's trek than the other modern treks.
I agree, he should've said that it is animation quality of a shitshow version of Final Space and Final Space is 4x much better then this crap right here, something I feel sorry for Star Trek fans because CBS doesn't give a crap about quality but only about profits from only the name brand.
grievous549 I love South Park, always have, always will...I don’t have anything to say about the animated Star Trek non sense other than I won’t be watching it...a pointless comment yes...but animation quality has almost nothing to do with a good show...a lot of South Parks best episodes occurred in the earlier seasons when the animation was in its primitive phase
More like the animation quality of Family Guy... Where the lame bug-eyed characters just stand there and stare blankly as another dumbass joke is being born.
@@RobotronSage who would you even put into now? Everyone practically is ENFORCING "progressive" ideals without the ability to even write the stories and characters. Its truly disgusting to take a beloved name and just puke stuff on top of it without any care about the original source material.
I never intended to watch lower decks, it looked really childish and not the kind of thing I would be interested in. However I ended up binging the first season on a long haul flight and watched the next three seasons when I got home. It's honestly really got the star trek feeling whilst also being a fun heartfelt parody of everything which came before. Didn't think I would like the characters but ended up loving them and their development. As someone who is pretty sceptical of new trek I would deffinately reccomend!
CBS: People don't care about character development and interesting ideas and stories. Just copy and paste Rick and Morty and make it worse somehow. Writers: Whatever gets my next paycheck
@JOHN JOHN it's honestly not terrible. I enjoyed most of season 1, there's a few really fucking stupid things but it's decent for the most part. More good than bad, at least in the first season, I didn't watch farther than that.
I’m a huge fan of the Drinker, and I’ve always been a huge fan of Star Trek. I haven’t watched any of the newer stuff because the Drinker has repeatedly said how bad it is. Then T-Mobile gave us a year free of Paramount+, and I decided to dive in. Uh, I don’t know how the Drinker got it all so wrong! All of the new Star Trek stuff - including Lower Decks - is fantastic! Yes, there were two gay dudes in Discovery (thankfully less than that now), but the story is fabulous! If you try liking the new stuff, you may find that it’s a dang fun ride. I sure have!
@@benwetzel8449 Because God says that such a thing is forbidden (Leviticus 18:22, and many others). This means - among other things - that such behavior is damaging to the individual as well as the society. Therefore, those who encourage the normalcy of such things are actually not encouraging ‘love’, but rather fruitlessness and unrighteousness, and are not warning people away from impending judgment. In other words, depicting such things as normal is in reality hateful toward human beings.
@@truebaptistfilms sorry to tell you this, mariner dates a woman in lower decks. And I feel that any good Star Trek fan should know that the future of Star Trek does not concern itself with religious beliefs.
@@benwetzel8449 My point was never to discuss what is and is not a part of the Star Trek universe, but rather what is and is not good for an audience. I know that Star Trek has lots of fantastical elements that require suspension of disbelief - intelligent life other than humans, for example. Since the perfect sci-fi show has not been created, though, we always have to deal with some kind of imperfection. Things that have the potential to hurt audiences are a little worse, though.
@@truebaptistfilms well, I sure as hell ain’t hurt by the presence of some gay people. If the existence of gay people is all that stands between society and oblivion, then society should have never formed at all
Yeah but Vice City was good so no one cared lol hell I literally just went back to it to cruse around and relax the other day, and also go the Neros77 channel too FYI lol GTA 5's Radio Chatter, DJ's, Bad Traffic, Assonine pedestrians, and terrible characters that no one likes (save for Trevor) however can go straight to hell lol
@@kavinskysmith4094 They might well be... I just remember having to battle in what appeared to be Scarface's old house and upon completion, the copter was on the roof and flying that thing made me feel rich. A feat no game before or since replacates that first buzz flying around in my "made it" chopper. lol.
My Effulgent Hairy Balls say That’s just because you were young and never flew a helicopter in a game before. For me it was San Andreas’ jet pack from the desert airport.
I remember when Star Wars & Star Trek fans would go to war with bottles and chains over the love of each IP. Now both camps are in ruin after a Disney/Kathleen & CBS/Kurtzman killed all will in both camps to fight. They just huddle together in the trenches waiting for the sweet release of death.
After watching 20 or so of your videos every one matching my opinions I decided to give one of your books a try on the weekend, lets see how that holds up! :D
Aimed at kids? Compare this to Star Trek: the animated series. That was aimed at kids too but took them seriously, often with stories that rivaled the original series.
Thank you!!!! I absolutely love ST TAS. They pulled off showing real aliens and a truly serious and decently written premise and plot. I strongly encourage anyone who wants a real taste of Star Trek to watch TAS. Now that is how you have an animated Star Trek, not this garbage which would have been better with Cartman as captain, and Kenny as the expendable security guard. You bastards!!!!!
TAS was described in a 1973 critical review as being "a Mercedes among rusty Skodas" in the Saturday morning cartoon lineup. This despite animation so poor it was basically a series of stills.
Lol new star trek is made for people who don't even like star trek. I don't know why they can't just make star trek for the fans. We ain't going anywhere
Despite hating Picard and Discovery after watching I found lower decks had some interesting ideas and was written with some love and nods to the good trek that came way before. I had reservations about it but then watched it for myself and thought it was pretty good. Interestingly the trailer makes it seem 100 times worse than it actually was.
It’s actually a pretty great show after the first few episodes. It actually has really mature moments and character growth and is really respectful of the Federation and its mission, while still joking about the lack of agency the characters have. The first episode of season 3 demonstrates its message really well!
I actually do enjoy Strange New Worlds. And Lower Decks cracks me up. Maybe I'm in the wrong on that one, but i love the overall premise. I do think it's better than Family Guy, I hate that show. But you were pretty spot on with those cast predictions.
"When one has been angry for a very long time, one gets used to it. And it becomes comfortable, like… like old leather. And finally it becomes so familiar that one can't ever remember feeling any other way." - Picard, 'The Wounded'
@@Reminiscent1990 Sometimes it's also best to ask people or just walk away from discussions or statements you don't understand or haven't matured enough to appreciate, rather than belittle them, so that everyone will hopefully not notice your shallow and immature nature.
@@mattcritchley5670 When people don't understand things, it's a base human instinct to attack it. That's what we see with the growing legions of dumbasses across the country here in America.
The Critical Drinker is pretty much the only reviewer I trust anymore. Edit: Cheers for the suggestions guys and dolls. I hadn't heard of a few of those :)
The Drinker as well as Mike and Rich from RLM along with Rob Myer Burnett and the Lorerunner are the only Star Trek critics I trust. RLM is the best at being funny while really going indepth on Trek while Lorerunner is the best at examinations with his ruminations but they are all great.
I feel you were quick to judge Star Trek Lower Decks. I'd love to know if a year on, it is any good? The main character definitely doesn't seem like a Mary Sue and all of the cast are equally flawed, and their actions fuel the plot most of the time. I've seen clips and from season 2 at least, and it seems pretty good. A light hearted take on Star Trek with respectable storylines to the lore, actually believable interactions between characters, and waaaaay more entertaining than anything else Star Trek has to suffer. I'd be tempted to watch the whole thing. The trailer definitely doesn't seem to line up with raw clips of the show, at least as far as I can see?
I've already watched the seasons currently out for it and admittedly I didn't grow up watching star trek but I really enjoy it and it makes me want to watch other star trek things, I don't see any obvious Mary sues, they all have flaws which are worked on throughout the series with humor mixed in. I would recommend watching it, personally, if you haven't already
Star trek was once best described as 'the thinking mans adventure' but there is no place for such a thing in a world where people are taught not to think...
The new iterations of that puke they call Star Trek are humus, made for the Labotamots of the planet Labotomy. Rather than giving us ''the Thinking Mans Adventure''....they've spewed out pablum for the ''Absent Of Mind"....!!!
He wanted to do film. Sadly the environment of Hollywood changed and he ended up doing B movies. He died do to injuries suffered from a botched special effect involving explosives. I think Star Trek could have been the brake that could have stabilized his career. I did like him as pike. I liked the 50s feel of the characters, and their interaction.
@@dirus3142 He died from a stroke after falling down some steps and hitting his head, six months after the accident on set. No evidence the two are linked. His son blamed his alcoholism.
Just like Star Wars and anything else you can imagine. It's just title-flaying for the "edgy counter-culturists" who have zero plan or idea of what comes after everything's been torn down. They don't care. They never will.
@@deedlessdeity218 it's people who cant create on their own, and yet they think they can do better, so they take over the existing properties to transform them into their twisted social justice vision. Same as communism, they can't create, they just want to take control of existing industries to serve them. And incidentally, most of the social justice people are commies, and tor a reason. No actual solution, just a disdain for what is here.
It's the same in a lot of franchises. Any of you like Dungeons & Dragons? I used to, before it was ruined by a company that is actively insulting its customer base. I'm trying to think of anything I used to love that wasn't ruined by post-post-modernist bullshit. It's a hard think.
I remember for about a year when I was very young, around 7-8. I’d wake up early with my parents and after the news one of our local stations played Star Trek TOS for about an hour. We’d watch an episode or two every weekday morning, mom and dad had coffee and I ate cereal. It was, nice. I loved Kirk, Spock, Scotty, McCoy. The adventures were a great way to start the day. I’d find myself just thinking on what the episode that morning was talking about when I was bored in school. I love TOS, and the whole universe Roddenberry started. This isn’t my Star Trek, this is no one’s Star Trek. This is the Star Trek that makes fans think “geez… maybe I’ll give Voyager another shot”
Ironically, all the decent and interesting characters from STD were removed. Mirror Lorca, the Empress and Chris Pike. And all of the annoying ones were kept around. Seems like the execs do have a plan, after all.
@@alidaraie well it was, because most the humans working these jobs don't have kids so aren't considered adults. you know it's actually appalling how the job market favors independent yuppy types to family guys
I don't mind swearing as long as the swears aren't just one-word 21st century slang. If the expletives and put downs actually were new words and actual colourful language then it would mean a lot more.
KorriTimigan It’s not a slight at Futurama. If one was to have the worlds best steak but you had to top it with vomit and human excrement it’s not likely you would remember the steak. Futurama can only do so much.
got this one wrong in my opinion. its pretty funny and the characters are pretty funny. think the big issue is that this is the best trek on atm. i agree that we need some good trek but dont think ld is bad
It just isn’t Star Trek. Good lord, look at what they just did (another blatant R&M hack job) with the blatant adult content. Like Naked Now without taste. So “edgy”. Ugh
Back in my binging TNG days, I did think that a show about junior officers could have been interesting. TNG is straight-up Roddenberry utopia. The senior officers of the Enterprise D are paragons of humanity, they're disciplined, wise and virtuous. Each is hyper-competent at their own discipline and excellent in another; Picard for example is a ship's captain, a tactician and diplomat, who gives keynote speeches about archaeology and is an avid mountain climber. They all give classical music recitals and Shakespeare plays in their spare time. They're *already* amazing people, which means they have very limited room to grow, especially Picard. A show that focuses on a group of ensigns could have a central theme of personal growth. A group of fundamentally good people with human (or alien) flaws which through trial, error, consequence and triumph they learn to overcome. I don't think that could get produced today though; TV is too dumb.
Watch the show. It’s exactly what you asked for. Just remember - they’re new officers and 20-somethings. They got that 20-something energy and are total stans for Star Trek lore with incredible passion for what they do. The SNW crossover also mocks how loud and fast talking the kids are lol.
Kirk was never the womanizer the stereotype eventually made him out to be. *This* abomination is going to live up to the stereotype the audience makes it out to be.
@@GwynnsWildRide Most women are just deeply attracted to Kirk's charm... *Kirk* : "Hello." *Random Woman* : "No man has ever spoken to me with such tender beauty. Oh, kiss me, kiss me passionately, Stranger"
@@InfernosReaper Kirk: And just like that. I like men now. Mister Sulu if you will. Sulu: Yes Captain. Kirk: Stardate: 3189.41 I will boldy be going where every man in San Francisco has gone before.
I mean yeah. By comparing it to south park, family guy and Rick and Morty he actually made me wanna watch at least the first episode as I did enjoy those 3 series and am not a rabid Star Trek fan, so I can enjoy a non-canon spinoff for what it is.
@@johnallen3033 To be honest the series is fine if you dont load it with expectations of what it should be and enjoy it as a non canon comedy spinoff. I watched the three episodes that are out and pretty much none of the stuff said in this video is accurate as far as the characters go. It's no masterpiece, bit it is ok for a bit of mild entertainment when you just want to relax.
Star Trek: The Musical Star Trek: Cooking with Replicators Star Trek: Real Wives of the Federation Drachinifel: Episode 3,046, Federation Shuttles The Many Lives of Scotty
I'd watch a Star Trek: Top Gear. And I'd be curious about a Family feud Cardassians vs Klingons. Ferengi host: "Name a thing hewmans like." Cardassian: "Root beer." Ferengi Host: "Show me root beer!" *DING!* Ferengi Host: "Name a thing hewmans like." Klingon: "Cowering in dishonor under their soft beds..." *X* Of course, even writing something as simple as that requires more love for Star Trek than whoever is in charge of it right now.
Star Trek: Extreme Living Quarters Makeover Edition. "Oh, this decor has to go. Hel-looo, Stardate 45789.1 is calling. They want their wall pictures of nebulas back. Let's replace those with more modern pictures of galaxies instead."
Ok, I gotta admit, the real wives sounds pretty cool. All of Kirk and Riker's women dishing, oh yeah, count me in for that one. Why not, I have certainly seen enough DVD outtakes and interviews of them and Bond women too. THAT show could work, but this absolute garbage they are tossing out ishideouss.
I was wrong about this show. The pilot made me skeptic, but it is not woke, it is not full of agenda and it just got better and better. The end of season 2 was amazing. Eagerly waiting for the 3'rd one. Re watch this Drinker. It was judged way to soon. They really nailed it with the last S2 episodes.
Rick and Morty's been slamming it's head into a doorframe trying to commit suicide. Especially the last season. Just do 20 minutes of setting Roiland up to perform a solid 20 minutes improv on his own. Animate it done. End it.
@@tylerleach1833 That's an exception. It's good, but it unfortunately doesn't change the fact that most Modern Adult animation is still shallow stuff like this.
Yeah, I can't really disagree with you more about this one, as far as your critique of 'Lower Decks' goes. I'll grant that if you only have the trailer to go off, in the context of the Melvin trilogy and the 'New Era' shows, you'd have a point. Devoid of that context though, 'Lower Decks' is genuinely a light-hearted comedic swansong to the TNG era, made by true fans, for true fans. That much was evident to me beyond doubt in that first scene; Almost everything you said about the clip from it that appeared in the trailer rang true to me. "Oh, here comes another diverse Mary Sue, ridiculing her generic SWM incompetent buffoon of a colleague." I was poised to hate it, but then- the bat'leth. She picks it up, swings around in mocking, bullying jest, swings it too close to Boimler aaaand slices his thigh straight to the bone. The characters observe this in shock, and then scream. This was not supposed to happen. (simple joke) Thing is... This was not supposed to happen. I knew it wasn't supposed to happen. It REALLY, was not supposed to happen. And I knew this, because I watched bat'leths being swung in every imaginable scenario for like 15 years, over the course of 3 series and umpteen seasons and nobody, not once, EVER managed to use one of these 'insanely sharp' weapons to slice through a single damn thing. Not once! Never! They were essentially used as blunt masses throughout the entire duration of the 3 TNG Era shows, with only the sporadic second hand reference given to their 'legendary' ability to "decapitate in a single swing". Best I ever saw was the double handed uppercut thrust, which only EVER served to stun the enemy, rather than (as you might expect from a blade honed to the width of a single atom) remove his face from his head. SO! When the two clowning ensigns picked one up and swung it around, carelessly causing it to immediately ACTUALLY DO THE THING IT WAS SUPPOSEDLY AMAZING AT DOING, FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME EVER ON SCREEN, and the characters then looked genuinely stunned by this development? Yeah, as an actual Trek fan, I got the joke. The whole joke. And that's what this show is actually about, showing in comedic fashion the reality of what would actually happen as a practical consequence of the 90's era TV PG script occurrences. What if bat'leths actually were as sharp as everyone says they are? What if the insignificant crewmembers who didn't have large private suites for quarters tried to use some of the more secluded areas of the ship to setup romantic situations to try and get laid? What actually happened to that one entire civilisation, enthralled via narcotics to their neighbours that Picard put onto a forced detox and promptly abandoned that one time? It's a good show, written by people who genuinely loved the originals. You don't have to love the humour, that's always going to be a subjective thing. But unlike the rest of the edgy/grimdark/'real' stuff being shown in the rest of modern Trek, this show actually gets what the love of the TNG, and even the TOS eras was about, and pays all due homage. I find it quite worthy of respect, and whilst I suppose it doesn't really need to be considered canon due to it's heavy humoristic bent, I was genuinely heartbroken when in Season 3 of 'Picard' they omitted to pick up the design for the USS Titan as depicted in 'Lower Decks'. Hell they even had Frakes in on the show to deliver such lines as "Give me warp, in the factor of 5,6,7,8!" (And Marina Sirtis, just to groan in response "Oooh, not the jazz...") It's made with passion, love, and true attention to detail, and any good fan cannot fail to appreciate that.
"It's made with passion, love, and true attention to detail, and any good fan cannot fail to appreciate that." Incorrect. I can still find it a show dedicated to playing on nostalgia and memberberries that also reduced Star Fleet and Star Fleet grads to unlikeable loudmouths with no professionalism or maturity. Take the ST TNG IP skin off of it and remove the memberberries, Lower Decks is just a low class Rick and Morty rip off with no real heart other than appeal to crass, infantile humor that was inappropriate in TNG era Star Fleet. I have zero appreciation for a series that;s devoid of heart, appeals to crass sensibilities and comes from a place of manipulation its audience for nostalgia while defecating on philosophical core of the IP. TNG isn't' and wasn't crass loudmouth humor. Lower Decks collectively lowered the IQ in the room by 50 points.
@@zoso1980 I wish to say that you are wrong, but honestely I would be the first to admit that despite the cleverless of LD(at least compare to the rest of Nu-Trek), it still remain a sub-par series in the franchise, but since they had made the crossover with SNW, i fell my personalopinion lowered further of LD since they are now basically by association linked with Disco-Burn universe, not to mention of the worst episode ever of the franchise when in SNW they even decide to make a frakking musical
Oh, and why do they act like Star Trek has never featured the crew outside of the Bridge team before? Engineering has always been heavily featured, as well as medical.
Or the episode of deep space nine where jake and bashir are stuck on the planet where a ground war is going against the Klingons and you see the grunts and other more lowly people who are dying in the trenches so to speak.
I mean, the idea of a Star Trek cartoon isn't a bad one... it's just that this is not the type of cartoon it should have been. It is utterly derivative, cynical, and still plagued by the stupid ass problems the live shows have. Namely in it being set in the utterly botched kelvin timeline. Just go back to the real trek timeline, throw this all away and start over with the trek that is actually good. >__>
You're usually right, but not this time. I fully agree that Discovery/Picard are trash, but if you view Lower Decks by itself, it's actually both funny and endearing. You can tell that Lower Decks, unlike Discovery/Picard, was written by real Trek geeks, who know the lore and respect it. If you go into anything wanting to hate it, you will. If you go into LD with the intent to treat it like it's DSC/PIC trash, then you'll think so, because you prejudged it. As someone who's seen every episode and series of Trek, Lower Decks is the only thing put out since ENT that is actually respectful of the franchise. But hey, not everyone's right 100% of the time. You're down to 99%, Drinker. ;)
the point is that Lower Decks isnt Star Trek, its a parody of it. people who are first introduced to Star Trek through LD dont _ever_ have to be Star Trek fans, because the setting is only a skin, but they will _always_ influence what Paramount now considers "the direction of the franchise". Lower Decks is a sign that Star Trek, like every other franchise these days, is being normified to the point where its identity is literally 1-dimensional. LD is to Star Trek what Velma is to Scooby Doo. i dont care how closely they follow the lore...its _meant_ to take the piss.
@@ryandexter8994 Good point, man and anyway we can consider Lower Decks as Futurama 12th Season or The Orville 2.0, hoping that both season 4 and 5 of Lower Decks remain so good
I actually think Lower Decks is fine as long as you see it as a loving homage and not canon. Having said that, Paramount claims it's canon which is INSANE. And you get shouted down for pointing out it's a comedic cartoon that shouldn't be considered a real Star Trek.
you literally mentioned the core problem with LD right in your comment: *its canon.* this nonsense is influencing the heart and soul of the Star Trek franchise. its not a serious albeit campy show about the implications of space travel, alien life, etc. anymore...its now a literal joke of itself with nudity, toilet humor, and shameless 21st century politics... remember, this isnt a "parody"...this IS Star Trek now...as canon as TOS...
Something i would've never imagined in star trek. Shaming someone's nudity like it is something that should scare you to the point of screaming. Screaming in 24th century because a naked body.
Keep in mind this is after two main start trek characters had a NUDE WEDDING and the punchline was that one of the guests found it inappropriate to attend nude, while everyone else was baffled why.
That's logic and consideration tho.. you can see the problem. In the writers room.. it's the most rad argument wins.. then they spindle the plot to carry all the emo gags. :P
Remember when lwaxana troi argued with her daughter about culturally appropriating and NOT attending her wedding nude, and at the end of the episode did so in an entirely serious setting, no one cracked any jokes, not even wesley. That was just part of Betazoid culture and was not a joke. Now we have that BS? That's a giant step backwards from what the show from the 90's did
This is based on a trailer only, right? The characters are not what the Drinker guesses they will be. This is the only new Star Trek that I like. The show runner is a Star Trek nerd and there are so many obscure Trek references than I have a hard time recommending it to someone who isn’t very familiar with Trek. And it has 66% audience approval on Rotten Tomatoes …
Star Trek fans: "We want a new ST show,that goes back to the roots and respects Gene Roddenberry´s vision of intelligent Sci-Fi." CBS: "Hey,Rick & Morty is huge atm. Let´s make a shitty knockoff,of that animated show. That´s how we´re gonna get the ST fans back." It´s like these people have some sort of perverted bet going on,with K.Kennedy, which can ruin their respective franchises in more horrible ways or something, WTF?!
@@eldritchedward "Vault-2020's goal was to expose the vault dwellers to progressively worse spin-offs of beloved franchises to study how fanbases divide and if they will gradually come to accept the horrible content."
It's almost like they are doing that with Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, and that this is something entirely different. But yeah. I guess we can shit on things?
So much for : "You asked, we listened" You know, if you put your cellphone down for more than 15 sec and actually take the time for a nice bothway conversation, maybe I'll feel listened too. This relationship between CBS/Startrek Fans is on the verge of Divorce. Heck we're already cheating them with "The Orville".
When The Drinker shouts “Leave Me Alone!” instead of his signature sign-off phrase, you know he ran out of whiskey the night before and has been drinking gin since noon.
the worst part about this is that the concept of a star trek show centered around the goings on of the lower decks is a good idea. You could do a lot of interesting things with the concept, show all the off screen inner workings of a starship, The perspectives of the crew about their higher up's, show how despite their low rankings the work they do are arguably the most important job's on the ship. after all a good captain is necessary for direction and leadership but without a good maintenance crew the ship a'int going nowhere. But instead of that we just got this abomination.
Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 7, Episode 15, Lower Decks from wikipedia: In this episode, while enduring the Enterprise's promotion evaluation process, four junior officers find themselves involved in a top-secret mission[1] and is noted for its focus on non-main characters. The episode also brings back Sito Jaxa (Shannon Fill) previously introduced in "The First Duty". This episode is noted for focusing on a group of guest characters, rather than the main cast, and for its emotional impact. It has been rated highly among the series' episodes.
@@mikerueffer579 We watch about 5-7 episodes of TNG, DS9, and Voyager at my house on a weekly basis. It is so satisfying to watch. The new "Star Trek" is a frenetic mess that leaves me anxious and agitated.
*Damn, you can tell how upset Drinker is.* He didn't even bother to end this video with his usual; _"Anyway, that's all I've got for today. Go away, now!"_ That's how upset he is. Out of character means serious business.
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4 am in lima. Best time to watch my favorite drinker
I think this is just another one of Q's tricks.
You hear that, Q?
The game is up!
Wait wait wait!!!.... lol Star trek was never smart!
@@We_Are_Borg_478 lol on it's not!... The game never stop's!
I dont want to support the channel. I just want to watch and enjoy your videos for free. - troll 2020
I swear, every recent animated show has had the EXACT same art style...
Yep. Every major Disney animated film from 1937 to 1963 had a different style. Sleeping Beauty's art approach looked nothing like Snow White. Now, they all seem to be the same jelly bean look to eyes and faces.
CalArts can be thanked for that
It's the Cal Arts assembly line. Fuckin' rubber hose and jellybean face. That's all they bloody teach over there.
@@blizzardregulus Honestly so many of modern writers for this tripe must all come from their own assembly line as well.
It’s an extremely cheap and lazy style. They’re trying to cut cost which is sacrificing the quality in all shows that decide to use it.
CBS: _Yeah just turn the comments off for this one._
Dang!!! You're right!!! Way to 100% crap on the fans with that one!
I mean with it being so different I'm not surprised that there are going to be people who shit on it
*so stunning and brave of them*
MechanizedMan its not just different, its a random cartoon with a star trek skin
@@Firehazerd5444 ABSOLUTELY! It's ALWAYS the fault of the fans! I mean, what other possible reason could there be? They have the most talented, progressive writers that hollywood has to offer, how could it be anything except sensational, if only the fans were woke enough to appreciate it. You are wise beyond years.
I know this was released as a reaction to the trailer, but honestly - I really REALLY enjoyed the first two seasons of Lower Decks. The adage that this was aimed at kids is not really accurate - it's for adults. Prodigy is for the kids.
Would like to see a reaction video now that two seasons have gone by and see if you still have the same opinion?
I am also very curious what he thinks now. The show is really fun and pokes fun of trek in ways that a true fan would. "Did you just say sen-soars?"
The male characters aren't weak to female character look strong. The character development for them is awesome. Brad's character arc is amazing, you can't not love The Boims. We are watching him grow into trek legend material.
@@longshot5866 I think he would say the same thing, but rather that they bank more on memes and nostalgia as they made Trek into a comedy, when it was serious with occasional quest themes (TOS), existential meaning (TNG) or serious political threads (DS9). Something like "yeah you might be Trekkies, however this series is aimed at post-millennial humour, a new Trek audience with some homages, but what you're making isn't Trek because Trek isn't slapstick and it would require trying to ignore how incompetent these people are for the sake of the plot". Then probably reference The Orville as doing a better version because it's an original IP that found an audience and went with it without messing up Trek canon (to the Drinker, canon and continuity loyalty in the sense of treating it with respect is huge).
*It's made for people who are old enough to be adults but never got there.
@@nebulous6660 [Abruptly stops eating supper with a goblet halfway to my mouth]
@@TheKnightOfSmite Makes me think of the South Park term "memberberries". It works, I suppose. I sure watched the show and got pulled in however it was not TOS, TNG and DS9 levels of contextual depth.
3 years later, I'm happy to see that this Drinker Review doesn't represent what Lower Decks is. I avoided it like the plague at first because after shows like Picard and Discovery, I certainly was NOT into the idea of a cartoon parody jokey show that picked fun at something I loved... But now having seen 2 seasons of Strange New Worlds -- an actual GOOD TREK SHOW in the 2020's no less -- I was willing to give Lower Decks a go. I was ready to have some fun to go beside the (mostly) taken seriously Strange New Worlds. And I gotta say... i LOVE Lower Decks. I love it a lot, actually. It's REALLY good, and you can tell the people involved give a damn about Trek because it celebrates it in the most fun way... praising Trek while poking fun at it's ridiculousness. It's the PRAISING part that is important because you can tell the jokes at Trek's expense come from a place of love. It's not vile, crule, or meanspirited like you get from other shows and movies that seem to want to dump on things we like.
I would genuinely say watch Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks. Give them another go if you gave up on them before. I think you will find them to be quite enjoyable!
Thankfully, the negatives that are given in this review are not things that came to light. Boimler (purple hair guy) is an awkward punching bag, but he's extremely intelligent and competent and they show that constantly, he's just also naïve. Mariner (the gal he's with) is the hot-shot street-smart ensign, who has lots of experience and contacts, but really sucks at being "starfleet", only being IN it for reasons that are revealed quickly. Lower Decks is entirely lacking in the mean-spirited, social politics that exist today. Lower Decks IS for people who love Trek.
Best example of Boimler kicking ass is in the Borg test. He saves the Borg babies, beats the Queen at chess, and teaches her empathy. 100% 😂
Same, I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Between the final Picard, Strange New Worlds, and this... I almost have hope again...
Right? Drinker is being a whiner, gotta wonder if he even watched it or if he's just too sour at this point to enjoy comedy.
Your comment was truly helpful. They fK other Francise in the name of inclusiveness... They focus more on LGBTQUVWXYZ++ rather than story but we are fans we don't care unless the story is good and engaging
They could just make it a series of Robot Chicken parody sketches and have a better show.
Hey sexy garbage boy.
like a growing number of people, I rarely go to the movies (years apart) and I don't subscribe to these horse shit streaming services. I often find out how bad they are through guys like Critical Drinker. And I really think the content creators ripping on this shit is giving me much more entertainment...for free.
Hey, could you two do a collab? Pretty please?
Did you run out of Pabst? I hear that stuff has metal shavings in it.
Dude that worked for Star Wars. Seth McFarlane needs to be the emperor if Ian McDiarmid falls ill or worse.
Seth gets the campy awesomeness of Ian's Palply, and that shows more respect for the title character than Star TP ever did
Imagine destroying Star Trek, Star Wars and doctor who all In a few years
add to the list The Terminator
It’s kinda depressing but true :-/
That's kind of their playbook: Destroy the pillars of your culture and history...
They’re destroying art to take away people’s ability to think freely, it’s all part of the incoming subjugation, they don’t need us watching movies, they need us doing our jobs, making money and asking no questions, it’s a sad state of affairs really
Star wars was destroyed 20 years ago.
Drinker, I have to say that while first impressions do matter, here I believe it was more mistake in marketing than it was a fault of the show. The first two episodes were a bit too dry, I’ll definitely admit, but I gotta say that the rest of the show has been nothing but stellar. It is a parody in the best sense of Star Trek as a whole, constantly referencing and quipping on some of the more ridiculous aspects of the show in a way that only somebody working in a place like the lower decks could possibly accomplish, and overall it is an absolute win. out of a long laundry list of crap that CBS has put out time and again for our unfortunate viewing “pleasure“, this has actually been a rare gem that I eagerly await the next episode for. i highly t recommend you give this a shot!
except all the woke bullshit with the super girl boss who can do everything. i gave it a chance but it just became too much.
@@TheJbrinksWho, Mariner? She only gets away with it because of nepotism.
When I was 10 I remember watching Buffy, Star Trek, new adventures of Superman, Farscape, Sliders, Star Wars (I know it wasn't a series but I watched it every week like it was 1). Kids are so much more switched on and mature than they give them credit for.
> "leave me alone"
> instead of "go away now"
Who are you and what have you done with the drinker?
I need my proper dismissal!
I think you answered your own question. "What have they done to the drinker?" This video was so depressing to make he couldn't even.
So... are we staying here or...?
he either had too little to drink, or too much.
I'm sitting here, waiting.
I... I just don't know what to do now.
Usually, at this point, I'd do something else.
But...
...how...
...how do I go on?
Man, not even a "go away now" we got a "leave me alone." They've made something so awful it has affected The Drinker THAT negatively.
My guess is, had he done that, he'd be showing some kind of generosity towards this totally unfunny excuse-for-a-'cartoon'? ;_;
Yeah, I immediately caught that too. Even Captain Mary Sue got that infamous outro. Man, he must be REALLY pissed about this one!
@@ShiftyKen08 I'm pissed but I don't really like Trek. When Trek works it REALLY works, but this shit doesn't inspire any confidence in me. Frankly Robot Chicken's Night Crew was more downplayed and less desperate in it's humor and that was a frickin Robot Chicken skit.
@@sophiam2095 That is exactly what I was thinking, and that was just a skit on Robot Chicken! How sad is it that a short skit had more in-depth characterization than that whole trailer did?
"HERE! MORE TREK< YOU LIKE IT DONT YOU< YOU MUST LIKE IT< HERE EVEN MORE TREK< HONEST IT'S ALL GOOD TREK! LIKE IT! LIKE IT!"
- Corporations and the capitalists who own them, via Kurtzman.
"Leave me alone -.-"
90% of the fan base.
I usually agree with the drinker but this time you may have been premature with this one. I binged this show after getting Paramount plus for the sole reason of watching the DE of Star Trek-TMP. Now while I agree Picard and Discovery are almost unbearable to watch, this show made me laugh and I thought it really picked up by mid-season one and continued through season two. Being animated you can do a lot more and there are so many fun Easter eggs and call backs to prior Star Trek shows, including TAS. Sober up my friend and give it another shot. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think the drinks be making him to political about everything. Best he drink some water
@@jonoctopie2779 No, he is a Trek purist. LD is saddening if this is how it has to be - giving Futurama humor a Trek franchise paint. It's kinda like watching Wrath of Khan but with shaking camera and 50% lens flares on screen all the time. - It's just not a feasible mix.
BTW, I like Picard (relatively much), but LD I could only endure half a season or so.
if you want to see an example of Lowe Ranked people in a Sci-Fi setting, watch Red Dwarf, its still funny to this day.
The Orville: made by a man who has a genuine love of the Star Trek series, and wanted to share his love.
Modern Star Trek: made because money, they love money
Someone who loves money and isn't a fucking idiot would have hired the people who genuinely love Star Trek.
Those tards don't do it for the money. They are on a crusade.
The Orville: SO much better when it was called "Galaxy Quest."
Both creatively-purposeless failures.
Made because politics. They can't have thought that this would be profitable, nobody's that stupid.
Those TNG clips just reinforce how fucking timeless that era’s aesthetic was. Sets, costumes and ships still look great to this day.
And in gorgeous HD 1080p. Damn! Makin it so.
It's almost as if effort shows and can elevate something beyond its base purpose.
hence why Orville rocks, it took that idea
Revkor yep. Just do a new Star Trek with that look (with a higher budget) and you got urself a winner
Even though the early episodes were occasionally hit-or-miss, any good series tends to need a little time to find its focus. (Even Spock in TOS was more human the first few episodes.) But TNG improved, found its winning formula and did not deviate from it, and that is why it is the epic series it is.
And then PICARD came along and squandered the goodwill. Captain Picard, you deserved better than what you got.
Any update post about how much striking fun lower decks is?
But it isn't.
@@chadking3793 why not?
After watching 3 seasons of this show, I honestly really liked it, so I really wish Critical Drinker would make a new review. I know that Star Trek has a really bad record before this so it’s understandable why he is not hopeful for this show. But man it’s actually pretty good imo
I actually avoided this show because of this review. My kids started watching, and we all love the show now. I think you're right, I believe the drinker jumped the gun on this show.
I honestly agree.
Live long and prosper!
@@nerdsubculture845
The critical drinker is a moron, he hasn't had a decent take on a show or movie ever.
I agree! It had its growing pains early on but what show hasn't? It's good Trek that doesn't shit on canon.
Okay, I'm gonna give this show another chance because the VERY OPENING SCENE is ultra cringey. To me, that's not really Star Trek. The pilot of Strange New Worlds was more of what I think Star Trek is, even though it was a bit on the nose about the "strange alien humanoid world" destroying itself with super-nukes. Lower Decks honestly felt like CBS was pitching the idea of "Hey, that show Family Guy is _really_ popular. We need our own Family Guy, but we just have the Star Trek IP. What can we do?"
Star Wars is for when you want space battles and blasters; Star Trek is for when you want space exploration and hope for the future.
Huh, someone gets it, too bad both now covers both... in the WORST way possible
Star wars does have some good story watch Dave filoni explains the prequels
@@screwistic fuck yeah bröther
@Kryptoskillet i dont know about that one chief, and i am a star wars fan XD
@Kryptoskillet, You should have paid more attention in science class.
"Anyway whatever leave me alone. "
Wow you must really be pissed and depressed
I don't feel right unless The Drinker tells me to "go away now."
Early Drinker: "As always thank you for your time and hope you enjoyed the video."
Later Drinker: "That's all I have for today....go away now."
Modern Drinker: "Anyway whatever leave me alone."
No better reflection of the progression of a career in modern media criticism.
Can't say I blame him. Star Trek was a great "universe", with good characters, compelling stories, and some pretty decent acting. WAS. Now, it's turned into shyte, ruined by "agendas", destruction of everything that made it great, and ignoring what the fans want, in favor of trying to...hell, I don't even know what they're trying to do.
But what I do know is, the last few years have seen the destruction of every single franchise that was once considered great. Aliens, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Star Trek...all of them torn down, destroyed, reduced to sad, pathetic parodies of what once made them great. I'm not one for conspiracies, but I can't shake the feeling that this is all deliberate.
Honestly, I love it. Jack Quaid always gives his all. The modern live action shows are undoubtably shit but this is a really fun show looking at Star Trek from a different view never before seen.
It's interesting that "The Orville", actually written by Seth MacFarlane ended up being far more respectful than the "real" franchise is now. That show even had a couple of pretty thought provoking episodes. Maybe because the man is a legitimate fan of the original series'.
Tbh, if you watch this show you can tell the writers are also fans of the old Trek. They poke fun at some of the sillier stuff and it can come off as a bit of nostalgia bait, but it seems like these references and riffs come from a sincere place of love.
@@danic_c 100% I agree
I found Orville to be missing too much of the real core, dunno. It was like a well-meaning copy job of someone who might be a fan, but not one of the smartest fans.
An excellent example for fans doing great stuff with the lore is, of course, *Star Trek Continues.*
@@Dowlphin Orville is 100% it's own show, though. I just mean that a brief shadow of the *feeling* I got from the latter ST:VOY or early ST:ENT franchises is there. On the other hand, the newer proper Star Trek shows have had none of the flavour of the past.
My point is simply that for a standalone, humor based show that isn't even in the same IP, the Orville felt a whole lot more like the 1990s Star Treks. It is also my opinion that the new ones have been an absolute dumpster fire. Typical of much that comes out of Hollywood these days. Lots of action sequences, shallow characters and even more shallow social commentary.
I remember when I was a kid, I used to watch Batman: TAS and Star Trek TNG back to back every weekday. As a nine year old I had an abundance of things presented to me in fiction that challenged me to think about the world in different ways. It's sad that kids nowadays have practically nothing to watch that actually takes shit seriously, it's like all of media is trying to teach them that nothing is worth thinking about, it's all about hyperactive gags and stimulating emotions in shallow, meaningless ways.
I suspect that the content is a reflection of the creators and those who sign the paycheck. In both instances.
It's amazing to me just how nihilistic and narcissistic some TV shows are, all while virtue signaling at every opportunity.
I totally agree take the CW heroes for example. There's no logic or learning just over the top emotional dribble. That has finally caught up them. Anyway Star Trek is definitely dead and I won't worry about strange new worlds until kurtzman is out because no one base on the numbers anybody going to finance it
@@cliffordterrell957 supernatural is a great example of your comment. Seasons 1-5 were gold, then the preaching came, the wokeness, the endless bickering between Sam and Dean that was the same three arguments all the way to season 15. It blows my mind how trash the CW has become
@Optimus Prime
I'm not sure what's upbeat about LD. The trailer is a series of unfunny jokes. I know a lot of 8 year olds (I happen to be a teacher) who are more mature than the so-called characters in LD.
"You asked, and we listened"
Those who write toilet graffiti are more in touch with their audience.
You listened, but WE know what's best for you !
At least Wendy knows to give a good time to those calling her number
Here I sit
broken-hearted.
Tried to shit
but only farted.
Still better writing than anything in Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who etc during the last several years.
@@mattboggs6304 my point exactly. Don't forget to wash your hands. 😉
i admit when i see a dick written on the wall i feel more of a connection then watching StarTrek these days
I started Lower Decks with skepticism, and first few episodes were shaky. However sad to say its the most enjoyable series of the 3 current ones, and is the most true to its TNG roots while poking at problems within the Trek universe at the same time.
It has found it's feet better in the later seasons, but relies heavily on member berries and cameo's to get the older crowd in, and I agree with the annoying continuation of useless/weak male leads. Also the Drinker was spot on, I would have been ~10 when I got into TNG and it captivated a younger me almost immediately, because it's genuinely good, a possible future to actually aspire to.
@@foxpants It takes a fan team to produce a truly masterful continuation of true Trek. I hope you are all already aware of *Star Trek Continues.* - Man, I love the fact there is one example to show how it can be done, to continue the lore faithfully, respectfully.
@@Dowlphin I wasn't aware but I sure will check it out now, cheers!
@@Dowlphin is that the same thing as Phase II?
@@joringedamke5597 If you mean New Voyages, I didn't really like that fan series. Continues is much better in my view, in several aspects.
After watching the first season I have to say it is the best trek show on right now!!
Agreed, my Mrs tried to tell me this for a year b4 I caved and watched it and yeah it is, unlike everything else it seems like it was made with a genuine love for the franchise... I can only assume as a cartoon it was dismissed as not worth while by the studio and it's creators were more or less left alone to produce something actually Star Trek
Granted that’s a low bar, but I like this show a lot
Yeah, you would. 🙄
Best show in general
@@universpro7741 If you're 13 & easily impressed
It's funny that you mention Mary Sue in a Star Trek context, considering that the Mary Sue spawned from a Star Trek fanfic
Well, that's interesting.
(-:
The captain needs a certain amount of confidence and wisdom, or else why are they the captain?
This said, the point of a Star Trek captain is to go out and face the unknown. They can't always be right. They have to fail and recover or there's no point.
Kirk and Picard failed all the time and had to recover. Pike, Janeway, and Sisko - fail, fail, fail, recover, recover, recover. This is what gives the audience the confidence that the crew needs to have in the fact that the captains are worth their pay checks. Yeah that's right, paid in money. Forget all that "there's no money in the future" nonsense.
In the first season or two of STTNG, Wesley Crusher was annoyingly right about everything in every episode, to the point where you have to wonder how other starships survive without a Wesley on board. Everyone hated him about as much as Cousin Oliver from The Brady Bunch. Wesley was a Gary Stue. That's the male equivalent of a Mary Sue. Wesley wasn't right on target but he was close enough that I despised him in every scene.
Nobody likes a Mary Sue, or a Gary Stue.
@@protorhinocerator142 Youre Correct
@Ruosong Gao I'm not sure how "popular" they are. Especially today when they've become so common that there's a name for it and people are aware that they exist.
@@protorhinocerator142 I thought being good at things is only one aspect of a Mary Sue, the other being their unrelenting redeeming qualities? In that case I might challenge the idea of him being one by pointing out that while Wesley was incredibly bright and talented, he was also immature, impulsive, insecure, and at times irresponsible (hm). A smart dumb kid.
The Orville is the new Star Trek, I'd say may Star Trek rest in peace but they keep desecrating it's grave, STOP, IT'S ALREADY DEAD!!!
Its actually depressing.
it can`t rest in peace anymore. not after what has happened to it. it will haunt the earth vor ever.
Hi Professor Swordie
assuming your are also holding a tricorder, should you fire a phaser "around the outside" or cross arms to fire "on the inside" ?
:P
If you like repeated old trek storys with more fart and dick jokes in them then sure, Orville is great.
The slowed down leeloo laugh is one of my favourite things ever😂
What are your thoughts now that this show has gotten a lot better?
it hasnt, the audience has simply changed. most real Trek Fans never even watched the show at all, and many of the ones who did watch it checked out during season 1(when it was at less than 33% audience score). now its just a bunch of normie Paramount+ subs and superfans desperate for _anything_ Star Trek related.
@@nikoc8968 Wow... Troll.
@@nikoc8968 lmao you are a weirdo XD funny man
Fantastic, LD may be more a parody but it done a lot more to remain in the lore than Discovery, "Picard" and SNW even tried to do, Beckett is everything that Burnham is not, funny, relatable and intriguing at times as character and Boimler, Tendi and Rutherford character growth is something that we have not seen much lately in a Star Trek Series...my only critic is about the character of Jennifer Sh'reyan, Mariner Andorian "babe" in Season 3, I mean I actually like the character and to me it would have helped to speak more about Andorian culture, but honestely her character has been used very badly, with little character development, so I will not hold a grudge on anyone to erasing the character, I do however hope they use a good escape route like Jennifer been in fact an Orion Sydicate operator under disguise or been originally in liege with Admiral Buenoamigo...thus as I said it's quite a pity, given that in Star Trek Lore Andorian have actually four sexes(two male and two females, apparently in order to allow multiple offspring births with little "energy waste" as possible in shorter time, which would make sense if your species is originally from an Ice Planet, where living condiction are harsh at best), they could usually Jennifer character as adult comedy relief as was used the character of Bortus in THe Orville, like......
Mariner: Jen, sorry if I ask, but....well might I ask you a personal question?
Jennifer: Of course, shoot it
Mariner: Alright...you recall our last night in my bed(Mariner face turn a little red)...well I did notice that you have a sort of.....third "antenna" between your-
Jennifer: Ah I see...(Jennifer lay closer to Mariner whispering into Mariner's ear) ..that isn't my antenna..did you want to try it?
Mariner:.......I suddenly realize the meaning of Quark's joke about Andorian female
Jennifer: Quark? The Owner of of Quark's bar Franchise..you know him?
Mariner: Of course, I know him, I was briefly assign to Ds9 ..I think it was around the time when Wolf became commander of the Station, I even had quite a Bath'leth fight with a couple of Klingon during-
Jennifer: Interesting, about we go inside that cabin and speak more on the subject...
Mariner: ehm Jen, I am quite sure that cabin belong to someone else
Jennifer(whispering): it will be more exciting.....
Mariner: Alright I see the all "female Andorian are more promisculate of males" but...right now-
Jennifer: Yes?
Boimler: Hey girls, sorry if I bust in-....Sorry I was interrupting something?
Mariner. NO!..I mean, if you have someting important to tell, you had to interrupt us! Let me help you!
Boimler: Well, thanks Mariner but actually it is just a simple task, I was just-
Mariner: Please! How could I left you alone, let me accompany you to the mess hall!
Boimler: But actually I was-
Mariner: I'll see you later, Jen, sorry duty call(Mariner walk away draggin Boimler)
Jennifer: Do not worry...(lower tone) coward
Mariner: Boimler.....you do not know but I think you just save me from a very 'red' situation,...consider that I owe you a solid
Boimler: how about you stop dragging me and we call it even?
Mariner: No can do...at least allow me to reach the next corner first!
The Orville: When a comedic pardoy show is more like Star Trek than Star Trek, you have a problem.
The Orville isn't awesome or anything spectacular but it's definitely a funny show to throw on t.v.
Josh C
Exactly. It isn’t “awesome” or “spectacular” to the standards we expect from ST, but it’s closer ( *much* closer) than anything recently.
Man, i loved The Orville, some episodes are really well written and its characters have interesting arcs too.
The last two episodes of season 2 wouldn’t qualify as comedic ripoff in my book. Almost straight out of Voyager’s Year of Hell double feature.
Orville is almost a shot for shot remake of all the good episodes of the next generation. Its a literal miracle they werent sued for plagerism
The Drinker was so depressed about this new Star Trek show that he couldn’t even finish his iconic line
That was a surprise move, for sure.
When the reviewer is so lazy, he can't even show current depictions of RT scores and relies on old screenshots from a year or two ago.
Gonna cry?
@@glyphsaiyan858 I mean 51%, 37% and 57% aren't numbers to brag about either.
He's just subverting our expectations, how are you so blind??
She's a million miles from being a Mary Sue. In fact she's a pretty bad fuckup and she gets called on it hard. You misjudged this show badly, Drinker.
8:14
THANK YOU! I’ve been saying this shit for years that just because they don’t have the experience of age doesn’t mean you should treat them like morons.
After being forced to watch modern “kids” movies with my family (I’m the oldest by around 7 years), it always pissed me off how simple and stupid the dialogue is because they think children are fragile. Too fragile that they can’t handle mature themes like maintaining functional relationships or death.
Children that inevitability grow up and will get pissed that you thought they were an idiot.
I don’t know about anyone else but went back at the movies of my childhood like The Lion King, Shrek, Mulan, Toy Story, I was surprised by the themes they covered. It’s alsmost as if the filmmakers respected the adults being forced to watch with their kids by making it enjoyable for everyone. Hell, even stuff like Space Jam respected my intelligence by going places didn’t need to go.
When I was a kid, my favorite movies were Star Wars, back to the Future, The Hunt for Red October and sister act. Some of them have a little goofiness or some jokes but generally they're pretty serious. I could never get into the really goofy slapstick stuff, at a young age it just wasn't as interesting as the high stakes gambits and consequences from more complex movies
Ye. The Lion King may have the cute characters and catchy songs for kids to enjoy, but the adults will get a surprisingly very biblical movie.
*Avatar - The Last Airbender* would be a good example of high-quality kids TV. Quite the mature themes in it, but kids can totally handle that when conveyed in the right style.
Also, as a reverse example, of course, *MLPFiM,* a show made for young girls, but because the show creation was a work of love, with the fan enthusiasm factor, and made with compassion for parents watching with their kids in mind 😅, it is quite delightful to watch for adults, too, at least those not totally jaded by the grimdark side of reality.
He was raised on a healthy mixture of Soviet classics of animation and pictures by PIXAR and Dreamworks - they gave unforgettable impressions and inspiration.
They knew how to joke and were not afraid to raise serious topics.
Therefore, both children and adults love them.
I didn’t like Disney at first sight, and I still have a wild allergic reaction to him.
They seemed so... hysterical.
Now I look and am disgust at what idiots the creators of this crap take us for.
What’s annoying is not even the quality and primitivism, but the expectation that we will really empathize with complete scum of the level of Family Guy.
@@Dowlphin
Yes! Great example!
I remember when my brother and I came across him on TV, we watched it all day, he fascinated us so much.
And for God's sake don't mention MLP, I'm starting to start rainbow foaming from my ears
"people used to watch star trek because it was smart, toughtful and engaging"
yep, correct. And that's exactly what's missing from all the latest trek incarnation
Mr. Rogers realized decades ago that when talking to kids, you should take them seriously. Lower Decks did not.
Everything in the latests versions end in combat, always combat.
And if they TRY some personal or crew issues, it's so bland and easy solutions ...
Like no philosophical stuff, no reflections on real life dynamics with issues ( doesn't happen every episode but previous versions had a way of making fitting episodes about it )
Im pretty sure i always hated all of the action heavy episodes. All the episodes that were closer to thrillers were better.
So true, greetings from Germany!
I miss true Star Trek, too!
I have to say, the first 2 seasons of TNG are atrocious.
"It's depressing to see beloved Francises go down in flames..."
- A wise man.
“How does it feel to watch all your favorite franchises die right in front of you...” - Rich Evans
''The 'Franchise"...is now DEAD !!!!
-A sad man.........
More like a swimming pool full of rancid shit.
tbh I dont really know any Francis personally
@@chosentonessournotes feels great!
I'm so glad this video ended up aging horribly! Both Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds have been quite good so far
I actually like this show. It's actually trying to be Trek and makes regular jabs at new Trek.
Same
Same. Once you get past the first couple of episodes it's pretty good and gets better as it goes along. Much closer to the 90's trek than the other modern treks.
@@LazzaRuss
Agree, and towards the end of season two the show really hit a good stride
Same. The first episode lies to you, when you get passed the first few there’s a lot of fun to be had 👍
Agreed!
"...with the animation quality of South Park"
C'mon, don't insult South Park like that
I agree, he should've said that it is animation quality of a shitshow version of Final Space and Final Space is 4x much better then this crap right here, something I feel sorry for Star Trek fans because CBS doesn't give a crap about quality but only about profits from only the name brand.
At least South Park is funny and well written
I think it looks clean and generic, than South Park.
Where South Park looks more artistic and unique.
grievous549 I love South Park, always have, always will...I don’t have anything to say about the animated Star Trek non sense other than I won’t be watching it...a pointless comment yes...but animation quality has almost nothing to do with a good show...a lot of South Parks best episodes occurred in the earlier seasons when the animation was in its primitive phase
More like the animation quality of Family Guy... Where the lame bug-eyed characters just stand there and stare blankly as another dumbass joke is being born.
Just when you think Star Trek has hit rock bottom, you discover that Star Trek's bottom has a lower deck
^ this.
Somebody take Star Trek off of CBS's hands for the love of everything that is holy
Okay, that was pretty good.
Good one.
@@RobotronSage who would you even put into now? Everyone practically is ENFORCING "progressive" ideals without the ability to even write the stories and characters. Its truly disgusting to take a beloved name and just puke stuff on top of it without any care about the original source material.
Thank you for that...at least your remark has more humor and creativity that that mess the dare to put in front of us.
I never intended to watch lower decks, it looked really childish and not the kind of thing I would be interested in.
However I ended up binging the first season on a long haul flight and watched the next three seasons when I got home.
It's honestly really got the star trek feeling whilst also being a fun heartfelt parody of everything which came before. Didn't think I would like the characters but ended up loving them and their development.
As someone who is pretty sceptical of new trek I would deffinately reccomend!
Well it's been 2 years and this has been a real shit take. Maybe you should review it again.
CBS: People don't care about character development and interesting ideas and stories. Just copy and paste Rick and Morty and make it worse somehow.
Writers: Whatever gets my next paycheck
They'd get more $$$$,,,IF THEY DID IT ''RIGHT''...!!
eh rick and morty actually has some character development funnily enough
Screenwriters aren't in charge so I blame the producers.
I have not watched single thing after 'The Next Generation' and I don't mean to.
@Roman von Ungern Sternberg Choo choo, her comes the hatetrain next station: Whatever is popular to hate on right now.
Well, CBS has achieved one thing with this trailer: I'm going to try out The Orville.
Well worth it. Good storytelling, great characters and a decent dose of tongue-in-cheek humour.
Orville is the fucking shit!
@JOHN JOHN it's honestly not terrible. I enjoyed most of season 1, there's a few really fucking stupid things but it's decent for the most part. More good than bad, at least in the first season, I didn't watch farther than that.
Final Space is worth a punt as well. It is animated but beautiful. Decent script.
Orville is more Star Trek than Nu-Trek.
I’m a huge fan of the Drinker, and I’ve always been a huge fan of Star Trek. I haven’t watched any of the newer stuff because the Drinker has repeatedly said how bad it is. Then T-Mobile gave us a year free of Paramount+, and I decided to dive in. Uh, I don’t know how the Drinker got it all so wrong! All of the new Star Trek stuff - including Lower Decks - is fantastic! Yes, there were two gay dudes in Discovery (thankfully less than that now), but the story is fabulous! If you try liking the new stuff, you may find that it’s a dang fun ride. I sure have!
Why is gay guys a problem?
@@benwetzel8449 Because God says that such a thing is forbidden (Leviticus 18:22, and many others). This means - among other things - that such behavior is damaging to the individual as well as the society. Therefore, those who encourage the normalcy of such things are actually not encouraging ‘love’, but rather fruitlessness and unrighteousness, and are not warning people away from impending judgment. In other words, depicting such things as normal is in reality hateful toward human beings.
@@truebaptistfilms sorry to tell you this, mariner dates a woman in lower decks. And I feel that any good Star Trek fan should know that the future of Star Trek does not concern itself with religious beliefs.
@@benwetzel8449 My point was never to discuss what is and is not a part of the Star Trek universe, but rather what is and is not good for an audience. I know that Star Trek has lots of fantastical elements that require suspension of disbelief - intelligent life other than humans, for example. Since the perfect sci-fi show has not been created, though, we always have to deal with some kind of imperfection. Things that have the potential to hurt audiences are a little worse, though.
@@truebaptistfilms well, I sure as hell ain’t hurt by the presence of some gay people. If the existence of gay people is all that stands between society and oblivion, then society should have never formed at all
Awww, the Drinker missed on this one. Lower Decks is hilarious fun. And you missed it. Sad.
To quote a radio advert in GTA Vice City: "We tell you what's good, then play it 'til you like it!"
Yeah but Vice City was good so no one cared lol hell I literally just went back to it to cruse around and relax the other day, and also go the Neros77 channel too FYI lol GTA 5's Radio Chatter, DJ's, Bad Traffic, Assonine pedestrians, and terrible characters that no one likes (save for Trevor) however can go straight to hell lol
One of the finest games ever made. Not in small part due to the "radio". (Though, the first helipcopter ownership is worth an honorable mention)
@@myeffulgenthairyballssay9358 dont tell that to the people who are STILL stuck on the RC helicopter mission to this day though lol
@@kavinskysmith4094 They might well be...
I just remember having to battle in what appeared to be Scarface's old house and upon completion, the copter was on the roof and flying that thing made me feel rich. A feat no game before or since replacates that first buzz flying around in my "made it" chopper. lol.
My Effulgent Hairy Balls say That’s just because you were young and never flew a helicopter in a game before. For me it was San Andreas’ jet pack from the desert airport.
Remember when liking Star Trek used to brand you a nerd who likes the "boring science show?".. I kind of miss those days tbh.
@mike love Its annoying.
Star Trek uses a lot of pseudo science for their shows.
@@KalEl7802 How does your comment contribute to this thread?
@@KalEl7802 Yeah I know, just meant to the average person who never really watched it, they thought it was nerdy.
I remember when Star Wars & Star Trek fans would go to war with bottles and chains over the love of each IP. Now both camps are in ruin after a Disney/Kathleen & CBS/Kurtzman killed all will in both camps to fight. They just huddle together in the trenches waiting for the sweet release of death.
After watching 20 or so of your videos every one matching my opinions I decided to give one of your books a try on the weekend, lets see how that holds up! :D
When i was 10 years old o saw the whole stargate series, it was amazing, no toiled humor every 5 secconds, no gore, just good history telling
Aimed at kids? Compare this to Star Trek: the animated series. That was aimed at kids too but took them seriously, often with stories that rivaled the original series.
Thank you!!!! I absolutely love ST TAS. They pulled off showing real aliens and a truly serious and decently written premise and plot. I strongly encourage anyone who wants a real taste of Star Trek to watch TAS. Now that is how you have an animated Star Trek, not this garbage which would have been better with Cartman as captain, and Kenny as the expendable security guard. You bastards!!!!!
“Yesteryear” is a classic.
TAS was described in a 1973 critical review as being "a Mercedes among rusty Skodas" in the Saturday morning cartoon lineup. This despite animation so poor it was basically a series of stills.
The Animated Series is one of my first memories of infancy. That's how indelible it is to me.
@@ProjectFlashlight612 Compared to the slideshow that was Hammerman, or the anti-animation that was 12 oz Mouse, Star Trek Animated is frikkin Akira.
To paraphrase Bree Larson: if you're a straight, white, TOS-loving person, this franchise isn't made for you anymore
That lazer-like focus on 3% of the population....
Then the audience doesnt exist lol
Lol new star trek is made for people who don't even like star trek.
I don't know why they can't just make star trek for the fans. We ain't going anywhere
Awww, your white fragility is showing.
@@LePedant black votes matter
Despite hating Picard and Discovery after watching I found lower decks had some interesting ideas and was written with some love and nods to the good trek that came way before. I had reservations about it but then watched it for myself and thought it was pretty good. Interestingly the trailer makes it seem 100 times worse than it actually was.
It's a good show and you can see that the writers really love Star Trek
I'm sure you can do better, right? lmao
It’s actually a pretty great show after the first few episodes. It actually has really mature moments and character growth and is really respectful of the Federation and its mission, while still joking about the lack of agency the characters have. The first episode of season 3 demonstrates its message really well!
I actually do enjoy Strange New Worlds. And Lower Decks cracks me up. Maybe I'm in the wrong on that one, but i love the overall premise. I do think it's better than Family Guy, I hate that show.
But you were pretty spot on with those cast predictions.
"When one has been angry for a very long time, one gets used to it. And it becomes comfortable, like… like old leather. And finally it becomes so familiar that one can't ever remember feeling any other way." - Picard, 'The Wounded'
@@Reminiscent1990 "Not every quote people say are deep and meaningful, or even true."
-Sadie Butler Truemann
@@Reminiscent1990 Sometimes it's also best to ask people or just walk away from discussions or statements you don't understand or haven't matured enough to appreciate, rather than belittle them, so that everyone will hopefully not notice your shallow and immature nature.
@@mattcritchley5670 When people don't understand things, it's a base human instinct to attack it. That's what we see with the growing legions of dumbasses across the country here in America.
@@mattcritchley5670 Looks like SadButTrue killed himself - his comments are nowhere to be found.
Picard, my adventures outside of the old folks home.
The Critical Drinker is pretty much the only reviewer I trust anymore.
Edit: Cheers for the suggestions guys and dolls. I hadn't heard of a few of those :)
IKR!!!!
And RLM
same here friend.
The Drinker as well as Mike and Rich from RLM along with Rob Myer Burnett and the Lorerunner are the only Star Trek critics I trust. RLM is the best at being funny while really going indepth on Trek while Lorerunner is the best at examinations with his ruminations but they are all great.
Not to advertise under someones videos, but if you haven't allready, check out r e d l e t t e r m e d i a
I feel you were quick to judge Star Trek Lower Decks. I'd love to know if a year on, it is any good?
The main character definitely doesn't seem like a Mary Sue and all of the cast are equally flawed, and their actions fuel the plot most of the time. I've seen clips and from season 2 at least, and it seems pretty good. A light hearted take on Star Trek with respectable storylines to the lore, actually believable interactions between characters, and waaaaay more entertaining than anything else Star Trek has to suffer. I'd be tempted to watch the whole thing.
The trailer definitely doesn't seem to line up with raw clips of the show, at least as far as I can see?
I've already watched the seasons currently out for it and admittedly I didn't grow up watching star trek but I really enjoy it and it makes me want to watch other star trek things, I don't see any obvious Mary sues, they all have flaws which are worked on throughout the series with humor mixed in. I would recommend watching it, personally, if you haven't already
What is sad, is that "Lower Decks" was a great episode of ST:TNG. One of the best.
Star trek was once best described as 'the thinking mans adventure' but there is no place for such a thing in a world where people are taught not to think...
The new iterations of that puke they call Star Trek are humus, made for the
Labotamots of the planet Labotomy. Rather than giving us ''the Thinking Mans Adventure''....they've spewed out pablum for the ''Absent Of Mind"....!!!
Thought crime does not entitle death
@@nathanielgarza9198 Unless you can THINK SOMEONE TO DEATH ..............
Mesmerizing powers activate
@@lebanese3000 Well...in that case....I apologize to ''humus''. I meant to be clear in my assertion that those ''things'' are on the level of FECES !
Star Wars: We're going to alienate our loyal fanbase in the worst way possible!
Star Trek: Hold my beer.
I think you mean Romulan ale.
...or Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster..
@@jimtaylor294 don't give them ideas or they might reboot hitchhikers guide next
@@vonfaustien3957 True.
I had to mention the legendary mind pummeling drink though :D .
Dont worry, someone will hand JJ Blade runner in due course and then the destruction of my childhood will be complete.,
I loved Lower Decks. It felt like a reward for having watched every previous episode of Trek rather than Picard punishing me for being a Trek fan.
I (kinda) like Picard, but I couldn't endure LD.
Plot twist: Lower Decks is the best Star Trek cartoon of all time
The original Pike wasn’t boring and unlikable. Jeffrey Hunter didn’t want to be in a TV series.
True. I believe those are his words, in fact, describing the shows premier episode "the cage".
He wanted to do film. Sadly the environment of Hollywood changed and he ended up doing B movies. He died do to injuries suffered from a botched special effect involving explosives. I think Star Trek could have been the brake that could have stabilized his career. I did like him as pike. I liked the 50s feel of the characters, and their interaction.
@@dirus3142 He died from a stroke after falling down some steps and hitting his head, six months after the accident on set. No evidence the two are linked. His son blamed his alcoholism.
No he listened to his stupid wife thereby giving the Shat a lifetime career that continues to this day. Noice!
No, HIS WIFE didn't want Jeffery Hunter doing TV. "My husband is a FILM STAR," were her exact words to the executives.
I'm hardly the first to say it, but modern Trek is made by and for people who don't like Star Trek.
Who dont like star trek to market to people who dont like star trek, but who want name recognition of star trek.
Just like Star Wars and anything else you can imagine. It's just title-flaying for the "edgy counter-culturists" who have zero plan or idea of what comes after everything's been torn down. They don't care. They never will.
@@deedlessdeity218 it's people who cant create on their own, and yet they think they can do better, so they take over the existing properties to transform them into their twisted social justice vision.
Same as communism, they can't create, they just want to take control of existing industries to serve them.
And incidentally, most of the social justice people are commies, and tor a reason. No actual solution, just a disdain for what is here.
@@SnakeWasRight An accurate and logical analysis.
It's the same in a lot of franchises. Any of you like Dungeons & Dragons?
I used to, before it was ruined by a company that is actively insulting its customer base.
I'm trying to think of anything I used to love that wasn't ruined by post-post-modernist bullshit. It's a hard think.
I remember for about a year when I was very young, around 7-8. I’d wake up early with my parents and after the news one of our local stations played Star Trek TOS for about an hour. We’d watch an episode or two every weekday morning, mom and dad had coffee and I ate cereal. It was, nice. I loved Kirk, Spock, Scotty, McCoy. The adventures were a great way to start the day. I’d find myself just thinking on what the episode that morning was talking about when I was bored in school.
I love TOS, and the whole universe Roddenberry started.
This isn’t my Star Trek, this is no one’s Star Trek. This is the Star Trek that makes fans think “geez… maybe I’ll give Voyager another shot”
Ironically, all the decent and interesting characters from STD were removed. Mirror Lorca, the Empress and Chris Pike. And all of the annoying ones were kept around.
Seems like the execs do have a plan, after all.
SWEARING IN STAR TREK
IS LOWERING THE QUALITY
AND IQ LEVEL
Yeah, excessive swearing is so off putting, it feels like it was written by a 13 y/o trying to be edgy.
@@alidaraie well it was, because most the humans working these jobs don't have kids so aren't considered adults.
you know it's actually appalling how the job market favors independent yuppy types to family guys
The constant affirmations of Tilly are the worst part of the show.
How could the writers forget that there is no money, poverty and swearing in Star Trek's future?
I don't mind swearing as long as the swears aren't just one-word 21st century slang. If the expletives and put downs actually were new words and actual colourful language then it would mean a lot more.
It’s like Kathleen Kennedy had a baby with Futurama and Star Trek Discovery.
That's not fair, the worst Futurama got was "slightly less than stellar". Dosen't deserve to be lumped in with this tripe.
@@KorriTimigan the original run was fantastic. Its return was pretty trash.
KorriTimigan It’s not a slight at Futurama. If one was to have the worlds best steak but you had to top it with vomit and human excrement it’s not likely you would remember the steak. Futurama can only do so much.
got this one wrong in my opinion. its pretty funny and the characters are pretty funny. think the big issue is that this is the best trek on atm. i agree that we need some good trek but dont think ld is bad
It just isn’t Star Trek. Good lord, look at what they just did (another blatant R&M hack job) with the blatant adult content. Like Naked Now without taste. So “edgy”. Ugh
Back in my binging TNG days, I did think that a show about junior officers could have been interesting.
TNG is straight-up Roddenberry utopia. The senior officers of the Enterprise D are paragons of humanity, they're disciplined, wise and virtuous. Each is hyper-competent at their own discipline and excellent in another; Picard for example is a ship's captain, a tactician and diplomat, who gives keynote speeches about archaeology and is an avid mountain climber. They all give classical music recitals and Shakespeare plays in their spare time. They're *already* amazing people, which means they have very limited room to grow, especially Picard.
A show that focuses on a group of ensigns could have a central theme of personal growth. A group of fundamentally good people with human (or alien) flaws which through trial, error, consequence and triumph they learn to overcome. I don't think that could get produced today though; TV is too dumb.
👍👍👍
Gene kinda lost out after he insisted on the first movie the Voyage Home. They shoed him away after that and he wasn't involved any more.
What you're asking for in this comment is what the show is all about. I recommend watching it.
Watch the show. It’s exactly what you asked for. Just remember - they’re new officers and 20-somethings.
They got that 20-something energy and are total stans for Star Trek lore with incredible passion for what they do.
The SNW crossover also mocks how loud and fast talking the kids are lol.
Kirk was never the womanizer the stereotype eventually made him out to be.
*This* abomination is going to live up to the stereotype the audience makes it out to be.
Have you watched TOS, women are all in secondary roles then cat called (at the least) most episodes ...
@@GwynnsWildRide Most women are just deeply attracted to Kirk's charm...
*Kirk* : "Hello."
*Random Woman* : "No man has ever spoken to me with such tender beauty. Oh, kiss me, kiss me passionately, Stranger"
Sure he was
@@InfernosReaper you are correct
@@InfernosReaper Kirk: And just like that. I like men now. Mister Sulu if you will.
Sulu: Yes Captain.
Kirk: Stardate: 3189.41
I will boldy be going where every man in San Francisco has gone before.
"Animation quality of southpark "
It wishes.
I mean yeah. By comparing it to south park, family guy and Rick and Morty he actually made me wanna watch at least the first episode as I did enjoy those 3 series and am not a rabid Star Trek fan, so I can enjoy a non-canon spinoff for what it is.
@@johnallen3033
To be honest the series is fine if you dont load it with expectations of what it should be and enjoy it as a non canon comedy spinoff. I watched the three episodes that are out and pretty much none of the stuff said in this video is accurate as far as the characters go. It's no masterpiece, bit it is ok for a bit of mild entertainment when you just want to relax.
@@SangerZonvolt may as well watch something else then, I doubt anyone is this bored
@@luigiwiiUU
Why would I watch something else when I enjoy this one though?
@@SangerZonvolt oof
It's funny, because the term "Mary sue" came from a star trek parody fanfic
I just love how happy music plays during the compilation of violent moments in this show
Gene Roddenberry is spinning in his grave at Warp 9
Someone get Wesley Crusher, we need him to utilise the corpses rotational velocity to power our new gallant-class starship.
Warp 9.9
At this point i Imagine he's past warp 10
Not to be "that guy" but Gene Roddenberry was cremated, and some of his ashes were launched into space.
No at Trans Warp.
Star Trek: The Musical
Star Trek: Cooking with Replicators
Star Trek: Real Wives of the Federation
Drachinifel: Episode 3,046, Federation Shuttles
The Many Lives of Scotty
I'd watch a Star Trek: Top Gear. And I'd be curious about a Family feud Cardassians vs Klingons.
Ferengi host: "Name a thing hewmans like."
Cardassian: "Root beer."
Ferengi Host: "Show me root beer!"
*DING!*
Ferengi Host: "Name a thing hewmans like."
Klingon: "Cowering in dishonor under their soft beds..."
*X*
Of course, even writing something as simple as that requires more love for Star Trek than whoever is in charge of it right now.
Star trek: k'lana, the Vulcan pimple popper.
Star Trek: Extreme Living Quarters Makeover Edition.
"Oh, this decor has to go. Hel-looo, Stardate 45789.1 is calling. They want their wall pictures of nebulas back. Let's replace those with more modern pictures of galaxies instead."
Ok, I gotta admit, the real wives sounds pretty cool. All of Kirk and Riker's women dishing, oh yeah, count me in for that one. Why not, I have certainly seen enough DVD outtakes and interviews of them and Bond women too. THAT show could work, but this absolute garbage they are tossing out ishideouss.
Traveling with Tribbles
I laughed so hard @5:49 🤣😭💀
The video of that woman frothing fits so perfectly
I was wrong about this show. The pilot made me skeptic, but it is not woke, it is not full of agenda and it just got better and better. The end of season 2 was amazing. Eagerly waiting for the 3'rd one. Re watch this Drinker. It was judged way to soon. They really nailed it with the last S2 episodes.
Came here for this. Show is very good, not great but definitely much better than this video sets it up to be.
Somewhere in Milwaukee Mike and Rich are raising a glass to the Critical Drinker.
Some say that if you listen very closely at night, you can hear Rich's laugh echo through Milwaukee streets, followed by Mike's drunken cackle.
I recognized that and I clapped!
@@p.bamygdala2139 IT BROKE NEW GROUND!
@@p.bamygdala2139 So cool! So cool!
Fans Looking at modern Adult Animation: "Wait, it's all Rick and Morty Knockoffs?"
Investors: "Has been since 2016."
Under rated comment
Rick and Morty's been slamming it's head into a doorframe trying to commit suicide. Especially the last season. Just do 20 minutes of setting Roiland up to perform a solid 20 minutes improv on his own. Animate it done. End it.
Investors: "always has been"
*cocks gun*
so we just gonna ignore the Harley Quinn series?
@@tylerleach1833 That's an exception. It's good, but it unfortunately doesn't change the fact that most Modern Adult animation is still shallow stuff like this.
Yeah, this was a premature “this is going to be shit”. This is some of the best Star Trek we’ve seen honestly.
Yeah, I can't really disagree with you more about this one, as far as your critique of 'Lower Decks' goes. I'll grant that if you only have the trailer to go off, in the context of the Melvin trilogy and the 'New Era' shows, you'd have a point. Devoid of that context though, 'Lower Decks' is genuinely a light-hearted comedic swansong to the TNG era, made by true fans, for true fans.
That much was evident to me beyond doubt in that first scene; Almost everything you said about the clip from it that appeared in the trailer rang true to me. "Oh, here comes another diverse Mary Sue, ridiculing her generic SWM incompetent buffoon of a colleague." I was poised to hate it, but then- the bat'leth. She picks it up, swings around in mocking, bullying jest, swings it too close to Boimler aaaand slices his thigh straight to the bone. The characters observe this in shock, and then scream. This was not supposed to happen. (simple joke) Thing is... This was not supposed to happen. I knew it wasn't supposed to happen. It REALLY, was not supposed to happen. And I knew this, because I watched bat'leths being swung in every imaginable scenario for like 15 years, over the course of 3 series and umpteen seasons and nobody, not once, EVER managed to use one of these 'insanely sharp' weapons to slice through a single damn thing. Not once! Never! They were essentially used as blunt masses throughout the entire duration of the 3 TNG Era shows, with only the sporadic second hand reference given to their 'legendary' ability to "decapitate in a single swing". Best I ever saw was the double handed uppercut thrust, which only EVER served to stun the enemy, rather than (as you might expect from a blade honed to the width of a single atom) remove his face from his head.
SO! When the two clowning ensigns picked one up and swung it around, carelessly causing it to immediately ACTUALLY DO THE THING IT WAS SUPPOSEDLY AMAZING AT DOING, FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME EVER ON SCREEN, and the characters then looked genuinely stunned by this development? Yeah, as an actual Trek fan, I got the joke. The whole joke.
And that's what this show is actually about, showing in comedic fashion the reality of what would actually happen as a practical consequence of the 90's era TV PG script occurrences. What if bat'leths actually were as sharp as everyone says they are? What if the insignificant crewmembers who didn't have large private suites for quarters tried to use some of the more secluded areas of the ship to setup romantic situations to try and get laid? What actually happened to that one entire civilisation, enthralled via narcotics to their neighbours that Picard put onto a forced detox and promptly abandoned that one time?
It's a good show, written by people who genuinely loved the originals. You don't have to love the humour, that's always going to be a subjective thing. But unlike the rest of the edgy/grimdark/'real' stuff being shown in the rest of modern Trek, this show actually gets what the love of the TNG, and even the TOS eras was about, and pays all due homage. I find it quite worthy of respect, and whilst I suppose it doesn't really need to be considered canon due to it's heavy humoristic bent, I was genuinely heartbroken when in Season 3 of 'Picard' they omitted to pick up the design for the USS Titan as depicted in 'Lower Decks'. Hell they even had Frakes in on the show to deliver such lines as "Give me warp, in the factor of 5,6,7,8!" (And Marina Sirtis, just to groan in response "Oooh, not the jazz...") It's made with passion, love, and true attention to detail, and any good fan cannot fail to appreciate that.
Best comment ever!
"It's made with passion, love, and true attention to detail, and any good fan cannot fail to appreciate that." Incorrect. I can still find it a show dedicated to playing on nostalgia and memberberries that also reduced Star Fleet and Star Fleet grads to unlikeable loudmouths with no professionalism or maturity. Take the ST TNG IP skin off of it and remove the memberberries, Lower Decks is just a low class Rick and Morty rip off with no real heart other than appeal to crass, infantile humor that was inappropriate in TNG era Star Fleet. I have zero appreciation for a series that;s devoid of heart, appeals to crass sensibilities and comes from a place of manipulation its audience for nostalgia while defecating on philosophical core of the IP. TNG isn't' and wasn't crass loudmouth humor. Lower Decks collectively lowered the IQ in the room by 50 points.
@@zoso1980 I wish to say that you are wrong, but honestely I would be the first to admit that despite the cleverless of LD(at least compare to the rest of Nu-Trek), it still remain a sub-par series in the franchise, but since they had made the crossover with SNW, i fell my personalopinion lowered further of LD since they are now basically by association linked with Disco-Burn universe, not to mention of the worst episode ever of the franchise when in SNW they even decide to make a frakking musical
@zoso1980 "Take away all the jokes that work within the context of the Star Trek universe, and it's not Star Trek anymore." Duh...
Oh, and why do they act like Star Trek has never featured the crew outside of the Bridge team before? Engineering has always been heavily featured, as well as medical.
Voyager did a lower decks episode as well!
Because they're completely ignorant of the franchise, and build their shows around the memes rather than the premise.
Or the episode of deep space nine where jake and bashir are stuck on the planet where a ground war is going against the Klingons and you see the grunts and other more lowly people who are dying in the trenches so to speak.
@@RuddsReels I seem to recall a TNG episode called "Lower Decks" about a group of lowly ensigns or something. I think one of them was a Vulcan.
This is a Star Trek show done by people who never watched Star Trek for people who never watched Star Trek.
"Let's capture Rick and Morty's audience with Star Trek's marketing."
I watch Rick and Morty occasionally and even I wouldn’t touch this pile of shit with a ten foot pole
It won't work, we're smarter than that..
Plus the Rick & Morty crew seem to be sabotaging their own show since their tired or bored of it now..
I mean, the idea of a Star Trek cartoon isn't a bad one... it's just that this is not the type of cartoon it should have been. It is utterly derivative, cynical, and still plagued by the stupid ass problems the live shows have. Namely in it being set in the utterly botched kelvin timeline.
Just go back to the real trek timeline, throw this all away and start over with the trek that is actually good. >__>
@carlangas world let is just remember the animated series as the true animated series.
I think they were more trying to reclaim the audience The Orville won over.
You're usually right, but not this time. I fully agree that Discovery/Picard are trash, but if you view Lower Decks by itself, it's actually both funny and endearing. You can tell that Lower Decks, unlike Discovery/Picard, was written by real Trek geeks, who know the lore and respect it.
If you go into anything wanting to hate it, you will. If you go into LD with the intent to treat it like it's DSC/PIC trash, then you'll think so, because you prejudged it. As someone who's seen every episode and series of Trek, Lower Decks is the only thing put out since ENT that is actually respectful of the franchise.
But hey, not everyone's right 100% of the time. You're down to 99%, Drinker. ;)
the point is that Lower Decks isnt Star Trek, its a parody of it. people who are first introduced to Star Trek through LD dont _ever_ have to be Star Trek fans, because the setting is only a skin, but they will _always_ influence what Paramount now considers "the direction of the franchise".
Lower Decks is a sign that Star Trek, like every other franchise these days, is being normified to the point where its identity is literally 1-dimensional.
LD is to Star Trek what Velma is to Scooby Doo. i dont care how closely they follow the lore...its _meant_ to take the piss.
@@nikoc8968nah lower deck has the star trek spirit , it's fun and people enjoy it . Who cares?
@@ryandexter8994 Good point, man and anyway we can consider Lower Decks as Futurama 12th Season or The Orville 2.0, hoping that both season 4 and 5 of Lower Decks remain so good
I actually think Lower Decks is fine as long as you see it as a loving homage and not canon. Having said that, Paramount claims it's canon which is INSANE. And you get shouted down for pointing out it's a comedic cartoon that shouldn't be considered a real Star Trek.
you literally mentioned the core problem with LD right in your comment: *its canon.* this nonsense is influencing the heart and soul of the Star Trek franchise. its not a serious albeit campy show about the implications of space travel, alien life, etc. anymore...its now a literal joke of itself with nudity, toilet humor, and shameless 21st century politics...
remember, this isnt a "parody"...this IS Star Trek now...as canon as TOS...
Something i would've never imagined in star trek. Shaming someone's nudity like it is something that should scare you to the point of screaming. Screaming in 24th century because a naked body.
Keep in mind this is after two main start trek characters had a NUDE WEDDING and the punchline was that one of the guests found it inappropriate to attend nude, while everyone else was baffled why.
In space....no one can hear you scream........
That's logic and consideration tho.. you can see the problem. In the writers room.. it's the most rad argument wins.. then they spindle the plot to carry all the emo gags. :P
Remember when lwaxana troi argued with her daughter about culturally appropriating and NOT attending her wedding nude, and at the end of the episode did so in an entirely serious setting, no one cracked any jokes, not even wesley. That was just part of Betazoid culture and was not a joke. Now we have that BS? That's a giant step backwards from what the show from the 90's did
I haven't been told to "go away now". Help, I think I'm stuck here forever now
An endless cycle
Watched the first episodes of Discovery and Picard. CBS owes me reparations.
This is based on a trailer only, right? The characters are not what the Drinker guesses they will be.
This is the only new Star Trek that I like. The show runner is a Star Trek nerd and there are so many obscure Trek references than I have a hard time recommending it to someone who isn’t very familiar with Trek.
And it has 66% audience approval on Rotten Tomatoes …
Star Trek fans: "We want a new ST show,that goes back to the roots and respects Gene Roddenberry´s vision of intelligent Sci-Fi."
CBS: "Hey,Rick & Morty is huge atm. Let´s make a shitty knockoff,of that animated show. That´s how we´re gonna get the ST fans back."
It´s like these people have some sort of perverted bet going on,with K.Kennedy, which can ruin their respective franchises in more horrible ways or something, WTF?!
Almost like they're listening to the fans' conversation through a door. A _vault_ door.
@@whiterabbit75 ...are you saying this is all a Vault-Tec experiment?
...it would make a kind of sense.
@@eldritchedward "Vault-2020's goal was to expose the vault dwellers to progressively worse spin-offs of beloved franchises to study how fanbases divide and if they will gradually come to accept the horrible content."
It's almost like they are doing that with Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, and that this is something entirely different.
But yeah. I guess we can shit on things?
So much for : "You asked, we listened"
You know, if you put your cellphone down for more than 15 sec and actually take the time for a nice bothway conversation, maybe I'll feel listened too.
This relationship between CBS/Startrek Fans is on the verge of Divorce. Heck we're already cheating them with "The Orville".
When The Drinker shouts “Leave Me Alone!” instead of his signature sign-off phrase, you know he ran out of whiskey the night before and has been drinking gin since noon.
Nah, he finally realised that was Charlie Brooker's sign-off.
Honestly, i dont find it bad. And its respectful to the lore
I really feel like a show with this concept could be really good... if the characters and story telling and jokes were completely different.
the worst part about this is that the concept of a star trek show centered around the goings on of the lower decks is a good idea. You could do a lot of interesting things with the concept, show all the off screen inner workings of a starship, The perspectives of the crew about their higher up's, show how despite their low rankings the work they do are arguably the most important job's on the ship. after all a good captain is necessary for direction and leadership but without a good maintenance crew the ship a'int going nowhere.
But instead of that we just got this abomination.
Star Trek: The Next Generation, Season 7, Episode 15, Lower Decks
from wikipedia:
In this episode, while enduring the Enterprise's promotion evaluation process, four junior officers find themselves involved in a top-secret mission[1] and is noted for its focus on non-main characters. The episode also brings back Sito Jaxa (Shannon Fill) previously introduced in "The First Duty".
This episode is noted for focusing on a group of guest characters, rather than the main cast, and for its emotional impact. It has been rated highly among the series' episodes.
@@hamyncheese The fact that they successfully pulled this off before. Just pisses me off even more.
@@mikerueffer579 We watch about 5-7 episodes of TNG, DS9, and Voyager at my house on a weekly basis. It is so satisfying to watch.
The new "Star Trek" is a frenetic mess that leaves me anxious and agitated.
@@hamyncheese It's what happens when you let overly neurotic freaks make the decisions.
@@mikerueffer579 there's nothing wrong with being a neurotic freak, if anything it's a bonus in this context. The problems lie completely elsewhere.
If you like a less optimistic, more grim star trek, they already did that perfectly twenty five years ago. It is called Deep Space 9.
Or Babylon 5
Farscape is another good pick for that
Can somebody remember Andromeda?
@@WillHayes44 I think most people are actively trying to forget "Andromeda".
@@michaeldriggers7681 Oh, come on...
Wait, this is literally just “Final space”. Same art style, same personality archetypes, same sense of humour, even similar sounding voice actors
Lower decks is so good. How can you hate a show that has a Tom Parris cameo Tom mother fucking Parris.
If you're someone who's easily impressed by cameos...you are the target audience.
@nebulous6660 No, I'm someone who is impressed with clever and awesome writing and tributes to fan loved characters interwoven into the story.
@@SirRedwall Nah you said cameo. Too late to take it back. 😄
@nebulous6660 ok, I will enjoy a show I like have a good one
@@SirRedwall You do that. I'll enjoy the actual Star Trek shows written by talented writers that this hack show feeds off of.
There's no way this was written by a person. They're testing their machine learning algorithms. Clearly it still needs some work
LMAO!!!
Only people can fuck things up this bad...
Pretty sure the AI would give people what they want and therefore be labelled racist.
@@iandaley1871 lol pretty sure some ais have been called racist.
Ai wouldnt give people what they want only what they "train" it to produce
@@iandaley1871 The is a subreddit simulator AI on reddit that was banned for spamming the n-word like an angry plantation owner.
*Damn, you can tell how upset Drinker is.*
He didn't even bother to end this video with his usual; _"Anyway, that's all I've got for today. Go away, now!"_
That's how upset he is. Out of character means serious business.
" Star Trek relied on science..."
NO.
NOT WHEN THE BRIDGE CREW DIDN'T HAVE SEATBELTS.