PLEASE dont LS swap or 2 door Gramps, hes a true survivor. Just fix it and let Danni daily it. Danni dont even think about bedazzleing or pinking out the interior either!🤣
@@bad66chevelles Dude suggesting making it a convertible makes you sound completely clueless. If you say the car is nothing special why on Earth would you burn that kind of money on it?
Hey Dan, I am the old now retired guy that use to work on that model car! you are defiantly on the right track keep going after the vacuum leak. maybe the TBI gasket is mismatched or the EGR next to it may be sucking air. back in the day we would use a propane enrichment kit to fine tune the search. for you youngsters that is an old propane torch converted with a larger orifice and a rubber hose on the end to pinpoint the direction of the suspected leak. later we were blessed with the smoak machine invention to help find vacuum leaks. that care is one of the first OBD1 systems that really worked well and if you can get a hold of a good old OBD1 scanner you will have a lot of fun with it you will learn things like block learn and intergrade fuel trims Vs % long term and short term. the car can be efficient and run very well. Good luck in you journey my friend I will be looking forward to more videos.
Keep it stock, fix the paint, and enjoy it for what it is. I think it will reward you both with many happy miles. Not all cars have to be hot rodded, sometimes driving something bone stock has its own pleasures as Uncle Tony noticed driving that '70 Satellite convertible with the 2 barrel 318 under the hood that he featured awhile back.
2,500 was a steal for that mint caprice. Here in the Southeast United States that would have easily costed you 6,000 to 7,500 in that shape. Good buy I'm jealous.
My aunt put 400k on the same model, running a rural mail route. She donated it to a family in need. They still have it, and use it every day, even though they can now afford a new one.
I had several.of these. Great cars. My 1991 would completely shut off, when stopped. Foot in it, and it would run like a champ. LOTS AND LOTS of work, and I figured it out. There is about a 1.5 inch piece of rubber line between the fuel.pump and outlet of the sending unit. It split open. Under low load, pressure would climb, crack would open up, spray fuel back into the tank. Dropped the tank. Replaced that section of tubing. Ran great again.
I had a 1984 Lincoln Town car with the same deal. Changed all gaskets, throttle positioning sensor and a few other parts, finally put a fuel pressure tester on it and saw it jumping around. Dropped the tank and that 3 inch piece of hose had a small hole in it, changed it and drove the wheels off that car!
Last year I picked up a 92 roadmaster with tbi 350/700r4 with 47,000 miles. All original down to original tires. Thing is mint! Had similar dying issue at idle. It did have engine light on though. Wound up being egr/map sensor code. I replaced both egr valve and map sensor and been running perfect ever since. I have put 18,000 miles on in 14 months. Awesome car and gets 22-23 mpg! I also have a 2019 silverado with less than 50,000 miles that sits cuz I prefer to drive the roadmaster. Such a nice ride. Don’t put cheapest shocks you can find. These things prefer Monroe severe service or bilstein. I would leave drivetrain as stock as possible. Thing will run forever.
Since the brake clean trick looks like a vacuum leak, you might check for a crack in the throttle body. Maybe even a defect in the trottle body casting. Like a pin hole in the casting. Just a thought. It's something I have run across before.
The EGR could be sticking open a little bit past the seals and thats where the brake clean is getting sucked in. Try using a egr block off plate and see if it changes.
I had a 77 four door as my first car. Fell in love with it and I've had 9 more since then. They're a great platform. Throw a Sniper EFI on it and drive the wheels off it. BTW, 275/60 on a 15x8 fit on the back no prob.
If it’s up for a vote I vote don’t LS swap it. Leave it be. It runs and runs decent depend your money on something else. But that’s just one man’s opinion. It’s your opinion that matters.
@bigEratt yes I'd you fix the mechanical quirks and don't modify. No lowrider kit no funk lowrider paint. It could be your grownup car when you have to do grown up stuff.
@@petercardin7774 well I guess according to you, folks should all just buy themselves a dependable grocery getter, and stop customizing, and hot rodding cars all together.. its the "grown up" thing to do.. ?
96 was the introduction of the vortec motor. That's a flat tappet TBI. Start by checking the IAC solenoid it could be hanging up. If it's throwing a check engine light you could jumper two leads in the OBD1 port and count the number of pauses and blinks on the SVS light and look up those numbers up and that will give you the code for what sensor.
there is an idle motor in the tbi most likely needs replacing how it works it opens and causes a small vacuum leak and sets the idle when the A/C is turned on it sets the idle up to compensate
I had an 87 Cap Brougham w Y block 305. One of the best cars ever made in my opinion, it was certainly the best car I ever had. Took me and my family over 250,000 km in comfort and safety. Simple to work on, and parts were not expensive. You got a winner there.
I owned a 1990 Caprice Classic just like this. I regret getting rid of it. The ride was amazing, highway fuel mileage was great, giant trunk. If i could find a clean one for 2500 i wouldnt hesitate 😊 cheers from southman
Great find! I would fix the mechanical issues and just leave it stock. Most of your other cars HAD to be re-worked because they were pretty beat by the time you got them. This is completely different. This is a really neat time capsule. Danni's right - you have to get some cassettes for that car. As you have said many times, it's only original once.
You might try the propane torch trick to narrow down the vacuum leak to a smaller area. Just turn the torch valve on to let a small stream of gas out and slowly move the tip around until RPMs increase. Usually works more precisely than the brake clean spray. 👍👍
I worked for GMC and Chevrolet dealerships in 70s and 80s. Throttle body gaskets were notorious for drying out and cracking causing similar symptoms. Also, That doohickie you pointed to at the fire wall is a MAP sensor, it tells the ECM engine vacuum. They go bad too. Those old B bodies were tough as nails. Put a good suspension kit in it and maybe a bigger small block. A Trans-go shift kit, some 3.73 gears and enjoy.
Those are really nice driving cars, and are pretty much bulletproof. My parents had an '86 Parisienne. They drove it for 10 trouble free years, then sold it to my uncle. It had well over 500, 000 km's on it when he finally parked it. Other than regular maintenance the drive train hadn't been touched and the body was still solid. Frame rust is what finally killed it. Tune that one up and enjoy cruising around with the comfort of a couch.
My mom had an 1985 Delta 88, sand metallic in colour in northern Alberta. What a gorgeous car. Looked just like that beast. She wrote it off in Edmonton in 1993.
When I was police chief, I had a police package 1988 Caprice. 350, cop tires, cop suspension, all the goodies. It was a great car. I kept it for 10 years until I retired in 1998. Wish I could have kept it.
Dan that’s an awesome machine for $2500 Cnd…those are amazing cars and are as dependable as an axe. Oh and all of the aftermarket suspension parts for a 94 to 96 Impala SS will bolt on…including the disc brake reared. Oh and they go really well with an LS4L80 swap :)
I had an almost exact copy of that car except mine had a burgundy interior. I ran that car until it had almost 250k on it, then the cam wear was bad enough to start popping back into the intake on open throttle. The OD clutches would get stuck and you had to shift it manually also. It had a lot of rust underneath from the northeast winters here and it finally had to be junked but, I loved that car.
Check the intake and base of the throttle body to make sure they aren't warped.. History tells me that if it gotten hot, that's an issue.. ALSO, they have KNOWN issues with the intake manifolds.. My nephew had to change 3 OEM, and finally bought an Edelbrock aluminum one to replace it with.. After that, it ran over 300,000 miles..
Great find ! These G and B body GM cars are hard to kill and are very comfortable . I enjoy driving my 81 Oldsmobile Delta 88 sedan every time except in winter .
@@LarryKimbrough-b4r Like anything age catches up year by year parts might not be easy to get and these are far simpler to work on compared to today's high tech vehicles.
Yep, That's why people here in the States, atleast in the Southwest anyway are buying theses A and B body cars from 70's and 80's and putting 30's, 40's and early 50's bodies on them and building budget hot rods. It's a natural fit.... think about what you do/upgrade when you build a hot rod..... You upgrade to a modern V8 Drive train, guess what.... most of them already have that, upgrade the suspension and lower the car, They already have that too, power steering power brakes? Ditto...... and most of the wheelbases are close enough that you don't even have to bother with it.
I own an 1989 Caprice with only 37k miles. Purchased 4 years ago from a small dealer. An older woman owned since new and passed away. 305 is great on gas. AC was retrofitted and works great. They make a chip for the ECU and that boosted the power tremendously. Dual Exhaust and a decent edle Brock pro flow filter too. Nice set of mags. Garaged in the winter. My grandparents had two when I was growing up. Pure nostalgia for me. Couch on wheels. I live in NH so it’s hard to find a nice one. Please take care of it. ❤
Hey Dan, my daughter has a 1987 Chevy pickup. It would die at all the stop lights. Turns out believe it or not, the distributor shaft was worn. I dropped in a new distributor and it’s running great. That was 8 years ago.
Those Box Chevys are worth their weight in gold now. The '71-'76 Impalas and Caprices are also skyrocketing. In fact-they are selling for more money than a Camaro or Nova. I've owned 31 of them.
Hey Dan, these old TBI motors are real sensitive to timing. There is a wire you will have to disconnect (likely on the firewall, driver side), then you can shoot the timing. Factory setting will probably be 0 degrees advance. good luck with it, and keep it stock, no LS!
If you attempt to clean the throttle body, just be aware that brake cleaner is not ideal for cleaning a throttle body, as it can be too harsh for the sensitive components of the throttle body. Carb cleaner is a better choice, but the best option is to purchase a dedicated throttle body cleaner, which is created especially for throttle bodies and won’t ruin the air sensor.
I'm still mad that my grandma gave away her 86 Parisienne. Got lost one day driving around, decided she wasn't going to drive anymore, and called someone to haul it away. Was in mint condition.
My best friend in high school shared an 86 Parisienne with his mom. The shit we got into and did to that poor car. Was probably one of the least cool cars to be seen in back in the day but nowadays I'd love to have one in the fleet
My great grandma owned a 1985 Parisienne, 305 paired to 700R4. She passed away and so it was kept for a near decade to one get restored and a new transmission because no reverse. I got it given to me for free with title, my first little revival actually. I for one liked that Pontiac style. Unfortunately since it was a vinyl top and not well cared for, it was rotted all the way through. I tried to fix it but was too far gone. Rather than let it go to salvage I tried to get someone that would at least get use out of it, which they did luckily. Miss that car to this day. One of the few four doors I thought were kinda unique
@@a3300000 by far. In a weird way, I prefer the 305 and 700R4 setup. I've heard you can swap the heads or something like that from a 350 and it makes them even better. Is it fact or myth? I can't say for sure. Not much of a know how on performance, just enough to get a rig cruising
yeah you can swap 350/305/400 heads around the blocks are all the same, and chamber diameters all work. But generally you swap 305 heads onto a 350 or 400 block to bring compression up, they also flow a little better than 350-2v heads stock.
That a great find. You have a vacuum leak. Use the tube on the starting fluid and isolate the leak. Keep it stock and run it. Those are the same frames to 96. We have a local guy with a 408 with road race tires.
Spray the intake gasket, possible vacuum leak there. That spray can is pretty general in it’s direction and area size. TBI are speed density systems so any vacuum leak around the throttle body just increases the RPM. Running lean has to be an uneven vacuum leak causing a cylinder or two to misfire OR a lean condition caused by the coolant sensor or map sensor. Also if the EGR valve is leaking exhaust into the intake at idle the engine will not be happy. Lastly check the evaporative system which may have been damaged in that dent in the left front.
I sold my dad's 1990 Caprice for my mom after my dad passed. It was the same car, colors, motor, everything. It only had 66,000 miles on it. I had the same issue with it not wanting to stay running, the car sat for a couple of years before selling. I had to replace the fuel pump because of the ethanol. I also had to replace the throttle body / carb. I was lucky enough to find one at a local u-pull it salvage yard. It was originally my grand fathers car and when he passed it was left to my dad. I thought about hanging on to it, but I hardly drove it, and figured it would be better off going to someone that could enjoy it. My dad said he could drive from central Florida to North Carolina state line, 500 miles on one tank of gas. Nice car, and best of luck with it.
Dan - You have to have 15 psi at the throttle body or it won't idle correct - I know this because I've been there - The TBI has a 15 psi regularor built into it in case your pump is over pressuring it - Git Mur to check the pump psi output.
Spray at the EGR valve and its gasket, they were known to leak. Back light the injectors to see the spray pattern, should be a fine mist with no drips. Nice score!
That engine has the ECU with the removable PROM Chip and Hypertech still offers it, I had one on my 91 S10 and it woke it up a pinch. Put a straight edge or both surfaces to see if their flat and if you disconnect the battery for about 20 mins it clears the memory and relearns once you start it.
Don't touch the motor leave it as it is lol.. to me because maybe it had been rarely driven the fuel could be older, so my advice is to run that old fuel out of her then top up with new fuel and then change the fuel filter which is inline and also clean the IAC sensor like you said.. works wonders on these cars from this era. Awesome find and cheers 🍻
My buddy bought one of these in 1999 , absolutely mint, no scratches or stains, old lady owned it, it was a cool car, he put wire rims and white walls, big speakers
Nice car! I would fix what needs fixed, and then take it to a detail shop and let them do their thing to it. There is something to be said about an older car that is all original and in this nice of shape.
1980's Cars are becoming more popular than people think. I've got a project 81' Malibu Coupe that I finally got tuned up and am able to drive around. I get the looks, thumbs up, wave of approvement and people asking about the car. To my shame and because of where I live I had to have a Mechanic install the SBC 305 that was swapped into it and a Dyno Shop that did the Exhaust. Everything else Interior and Exterior I am fixing on the car, it's a work in progress for sure but it runs. And it's definitely getting attention. Now for the TBI, before he died, my stepfather had a 89' GMC Sierra with a similar TBI system in it, I am trying to remember what the problem was with those, I remember having replaced something in the TBI but right now it eludes me the one major problem those TBI's had. . . .
Dan we must be related! I found an 89 Caprice identical to yours but a basic model. No vinyl roof, no wire wheel caps and I found it 7 years ago on a roadside. It had 53,000 documented (have a complete maintenance history) miles (82,000k) and I love it. The body is perfect and the undercarriage is the same. I now have 110,000 KMS on it and except for tires and brakes I have $1700 in repairs. It's a big car and I have a couple of dings in the front fender. It has manual windows and if I want to open the passenger side windows I have to undo my seat belt. And I am well over six feet tall. It has a 305 but don't know what the tranny is. It came with full sheet metal wheel covers but I kept losing them. I put on a set of Nova dog dish caps and it looks mean! It's an old man car but I am really old. It is surprising the number of offers I've had on it from young and older men alike. Being old it will probably be my last car unless something happens to it. I also have a vintage vehicle. So what to do? Keep it'
Very cool find, I'm curious to know what ratio the rear is in it, take a look at the service parts ID label on the trunk lid, look for the gear ratio: GU..or G.... something, a great buy!, keep the video's coming!
My first car at 16 was a grey 87 Caprice identical to this one except mine had a 4.3 V6 and a 200r trans. I ran Cragars on it in the good weather months and studded truck tires on it in the winter. Loved that car.
Dan check your egr valve or the map sensor. The system is obd1 so you can bring up codes by taking a paper clip for a u u to jump out the 2 right pins on your diagnostic plug under the dash turn your key on engine not running but dash lights lit position and your codes blink out. 1 flash then a pause followed by 2 flashes of the check engine light is a code 12 and ect. Hope this helps.
I had basically the same car back in the day. Mine was a 1982 Impala with the same setup, 305, over drive auto, etc... Mine didn't have fuel injection, it had a big ol' quadrajet and ran GREAT. After literally a half million miles, the transmission gave out. Mine started it's life as an unmarked police car 🙂 Paint on the side: "Get off my lawn!"
Super clean car! I was a parts guy at a GM dealership all through the 80’s and 90’s…I sold hundreds of those base gaskets! And that doohickey is a map sensor 😂
You want a name for it. It's the Old Man! Call it the Old Man. The TBI system is very sensitive to vacuum issues. Make sure all vacuum lines are hooked up properly. Do not cut corners here. The distributor and the ecm are problematic, also. Make sure the charging system/alternator is functioning properly. All circuits need 12 volts. Like fuel injection weak voltage causes problems. Aged wiring harnesses can cause problems also. Make sure vacuum valve on air cleaner works properly. TBI needs hot air from exhaust manifold and stove pipe connection to air cleaner to supply heated air on each cold start. My Caprice had all sorts of problems. Once I replaced the ecm the car ran fine and got great gas mileage. I am getting 25 mpg and better depending on driving conditions. Do not LS it. Just fix it with reliable parts from Rock Auto and it will be the best car you will ever own.
i do believe mr bieri has a large cassete collection u could possibly raid if u asked nicely . if u intend on cleaning the throttle body dont use brake cleaner its way to harsh for the components , carb cleaner u probably get away with or get a cleaner specific to them
Peak traditional American car, there! If i were mine, I'd fix the minor body blemishes. Get the 305 running nice and maybe add a dual exhaust with good mufflers for a nicer but quiet sound. Grab some 9c1 (police package) suspension parts (it doesnt have a rear away bar currently) to tighten up the handling without ruining the ride. Maybe add a set of 17" alloy rally wheel replicas and a decent set of tires. Add a more modern sound system ... And enjoy! Nice find!!
If it won't idle the IAC motor maybe bad. Also, check you TPS for correct output voltage and dead spots. If your IAC is acting up, just open up your throttle blades by adjusting the screw so it will idle.
Dan, don't LS swap this car, keep the 305. I have an 84 Monte Carlo SS with a 305. It ain't a hot rod, it is a very dependable, quiet, smooth car. It came with a turbo 350 trans, I replaced it with a 2004R over drive, it is a pleasure to drive now. I also replaced the computer controlled Quadra jet with a 79 non computer Quadra jet, along with the computer controlled HEI . I used a 79 HEI. The car is a great cruiser now getting better gas mileage, and at 70 mph it turns 2100 rpm. there is nothing wrong with a 305, it does what Chevrolet designed it to do. You will appreciate the comfort, and fuel economy with this car.
My crawler is running an 88 7.4 TBI. It started running terrible, wouldn't rev up at all. We tried everything. Finally swapped another known good ECM in and it's been great ever since.
That generation of Caprice came out in 1977. I was 18 at the time, and a few months later got a job with the fleet services department for the city I lived in. We soon got a bunch of brand new ones in, and I got to work on them. I prefer the front end design of the early models. Those cars are virtually unbreakable, and make great daily drivers. The trunks are HUGE. Much bigger than a Crown Vic. I would swap that 302 for a carbureted 350/383 cast iron small block. Get rid of all the computers and emissions crap and you'll have a nice dependable driver that is easy to work on if/when needed.
congrats to the GM engineers who designed the 77 & up models.one of the best designs to ever come out of GM.these things were like the energizer bunny.maintain them properly & they would run damn near forever.& im an old ford guy.
You may want to check the transmission to make sure what engine you have. I had a 86 and from what I understand,if the AC compressor is on the passenger side you'll have a 307 with 200R4. If the compressor is on the driver side you'll have a 305/350 with 700R4. Don't know if that changed in your year so the tranny will tell. I've had running issues with my 86 also. Now mine was not a TBI but it did have an electronic controlled Carburetor so I ended swapping it out with a Holley and changed the distributor to make it run without ECU. Never had issues since. Your intake is different because of the TBI so swapping it for a carb won't work unless you swap the intake also. Now on a TPI the center bolts are in a different angle than the front and backs. Don't know if the TBI is the same so they could use the same heads. In the pas,t I've swapped a 305 Camaro Iroc Z TPI / 700R4 into my 1960 Bel Air and used the 283 intake with carburetor of which I had to redrill the two center holes on each side to make it work. And it did! Put around 100K miles on that 305/700R4 unit without issues except... replacing several motor/tranny mounts and center bearings from braking as that thing had tons of torque with it's factory 14" wheels and axle. My little two barrel would spin the wheels in first and second gear without effort. I've enjoyed every mile of the 100K I've driven. The Caprice is a lazy car but a nice boat to drive. Soft, relaxing and darn comfortable.
I had an 82 so there were differences.. There is a vacuum line to the charcoal canister. It has a purge valve that clears the fumes from the canister when first started. Ours didn't close when it should , creating a vacuum leak killing the idle.
PLEASE dont LS swap or 2 door Gramps, hes a true survivor. Just fix it and let Danni daily it. Danni dont even think about bedazzleing or pinking out the interior either!🤣
100% Agree
Clean repair and drive enjoy!
Don't mess with perfection. A 350 woulda been better, but that 307 will do just fine in that boat.
There’s a lot special about a car this old with such few miles. LS swaps are what is not special.
@@bad66chevelles Dude suggesting making it a convertible makes you sound completely clueless. If you say the car is nothing special why on Earth would you burn that kind of money on it?
Hey Dan, I am the old now retired guy that use to work on that model car! you are defiantly on the right track keep going after the vacuum leak. maybe the TBI gasket is mismatched or the EGR next to it may be sucking air. back in the day we would use a propane enrichment kit to fine tune the search. for you youngsters that is an old propane torch converted with a larger orifice and a rubber hose on the end to pinpoint the direction of the suspected leak. later we were blessed with the smoak machine invention to help find vacuum leaks. that care is one of the first OBD1 systems that really worked well and if you can get a hold of a good old OBD1 scanner you will have a lot of fun with it you will learn things like block learn and intergrade fuel trims Vs % long term and short term. the car can be efficient and run very well. Good luck in you journey my friend I will be looking forward to more videos.
Old guys rule when it comes to troubleshooting.
Propane enrichment. We used something like that to find refrigeration leaks. Been a long time.
Keep it stock, fix the paint, and enjoy it for what it is. I think it will reward you both with many happy miles. Not all cars have to be hot rodded, sometimes driving something bone stock has its own pleasures as Uncle Tony noticed driving that '70 Satellite convertible with the 2 barrel 318 under the hood that he featured awhile back.
2,500 was a steal for that mint caprice. Here in the Southeast United States that would have easily costed you 6,000 to 7,500 in that shape. Good buy I'm jealous.
My aunt put 400k on the same model, running a rural mail route. She donated it to a family in need. They still have it, and use it every day, even though they can now afford a new one.
Replace the idle air controller and clean inside where the plunger goes.Doohicky on firewall is MAP sensor.I was an apprentice in 1989...lol.
Almost sound like Darth Vader with the heavy breathing coming through on the mic. 🎤
Those wire wheel hubcaps were an expensive option then thats why they were bolted on so they weren't stolen
The EGR valve is near where you are spraying the brake cleaner on the intake manifold. I would recommend checking that.
On some of these older cars, there is a trunk release button inside the glovebox on the left side to open the trunk if it has electric opener
I had several.of these. Great cars. My 1991 would completely shut off, when stopped. Foot in it, and it would run like a champ.
LOTS AND LOTS of work, and I figured it out. There is about a 1.5 inch piece of rubber line between the fuel.pump and outlet of the sending unit. It split open. Under low load, pressure would climb, crack would open up, spray fuel back into the tank.
Dropped the tank. Replaced that section of tubing. Ran great again.
I had a 1984 Lincoln Town car with the same deal. Changed all gaskets, throttle positioning sensor and a few other parts, finally put a fuel pressure tester on it and saw it jumping around. Dropped the tank and that 3 inch piece of hose had a small hole in it, changed it and drove the wheels off that car!
I had the same problem with my 94 Chevy truck.
Went ahead and changed the fuel pump while I had it apart.
Last year I picked up a 92 roadmaster with tbi 350/700r4 with 47,000 miles. All original down to original tires. Thing is mint! Had similar dying issue at idle. It did have engine light on though. Wound up being egr/map sensor code. I replaced both egr valve and map sensor and been running perfect ever since. I have put 18,000 miles on in 14 months. Awesome car and gets 22-23 mpg! I also have a 2019 silverado with less than 50,000 miles that sits cuz I prefer to drive the roadmaster. Such a nice ride. Don’t put cheapest shocks you can find. These things prefer Monroe severe service or bilstein. I would leave drivetrain as stock as possible. Thing will run forever.
Since the brake clean trick looks like a vacuum leak, you might check for a crack in the throttle body. Maybe even a defect in the trottle body casting. Like a pin hole in the casting. Just a thought. It's something I have run across before.
Dan , fix the problems and put new rims on it tint the windows and you have a cool clean cruiser, maybe power tour!!!!
The EGR could be sticking open a little bit past the seals and thats where the brake clean is getting sucked in. Try using a egr block off plate and see if it changes.
Was just going to say it's probably the EGR,could just spray the brake clean from the other side to be sure
thats what i was thinking as soon as i saw it
EGR was my thought too.
Me three
pull the egr carbon build up was common problem ,
Put dual exhaust and a set of mag wheels, they look cool like that and sound awesome
28:39 your probably right about the gasket but you can see the injector isnt misting correct its more or less dumping
I had a 77 four door as my first car. Fell in love with it and I've had 9 more since then. They're a great platform. Throw a Sniper EFI on it and drive the wheels off it. BTW, 275/60 on a 15x8 fit on the back no prob.
Have been a owner of a few Caprice Classics! And I tell you they are tough as nails! The ones I owned were a little older but they are sweet! 🇨🇦🇺🇲💯🏁
If it’s up for a vote I vote don’t LS swap it. Leave it be. It runs and runs decent depend your money on something else. But that’s just one man’s opinion. It’s your opinion that matters.
Because it's the coolest car you own. It will likely run and ride better than anything else you've got.
Cooler than a cobra, or 57, 55 Chevys ??....no..
It's the coolest car he owns because it's the only one with A/C on it.
@bigEratt yes I'd you fix the mechanical quirks and don't modify.
No lowrider kit no funk lowrider paint.
It could be your grownup car when you have to do grown up stuff.
@@petercardin7774 well I guess according to you, folks should all just buy themselves a dependable grocery getter, and stop customizing, and hot rodding cars all together.. its the "grown up" thing to do.. ?
@@bigEratt I am a delivery driver in a major metropolitan area and most of the ones I see have 22" wheels and a sparkly two tone paint job.
96 was the introduction of the vortec motor. That's a flat tappet TBI. Start by checking the IAC solenoid it could be hanging up. If it's throwing a check engine light you could jumper two leads in the OBD1 port and count the number of pauses and blinks on the SVS light and look up those numbers up and that will give you the code for what sensor.
there is an idle motor in the tbi most likely needs replacing how it works it opens and causes a small vacuum leak and sets the idle when the A/C is turned on it sets the idle up to compensate
Unplug the EGR valve vaccum hose, and make shure the EGR valve is not stuck
I just bought a 1984 Dodge Ram W100 pickup truck with the 318 engine. It was an old farm truck. It runs excellent.
Far out that's one of my favorite models put millions of miles on them as a Cab
I had an 87 Cap Brougham w Y block 305. One of the best cars ever made in my opinion, it was certainly the best car I ever had. Took me and my family over 250,000 km in comfort and safety. Simple to work on, and parts were not expensive. You got a winner there.
Y block is Oldsmobile 307 roller cam V8 I know one of my favorite engines they dead reliable and damn near bulletproof ..
I agree i have a 88 Caprice Brougham with 108k original miles she purrs like a kitten
I owned a 1990 Caprice Classic just like this. I regret getting rid of it. The ride was amazing, highway fuel mileage was great, giant trunk. If i could find a clean one for 2500 i wouldnt hesitate 😊 cheers from southman
Great find! I would fix the mechanical issues and just leave it stock. Most of your other cars HAD to be re-worked because they were pretty beat by the time you got them. This is completely different. This is a really neat time capsule. Danni's right - you have to get some cassettes for that car. As you have said many times, it's only original once.
As a person who prefers the old cassettes, you might not regret it.
They started making Cassette Tapes again btw.
You might try the propane torch trick to narrow down the vacuum leak to a smaller area. Just turn the torch valve on to let a small stream of gas out and slowly move the tip around until RPMs increase. Usually works more precisely than the brake clean spray. 👍👍
I worked for GMC and Chevrolet dealerships in 70s and 80s. Throttle body gaskets were notorious for drying out
and cracking causing similar symptoms. Also,
That doohickie you pointed to at the fire wall is a MAP sensor, it tells the ECM engine vacuum. They go bad too.
Those old B bodies were tough as nails. Put a good suspension kit in it and maybe a bigger small block.
A Trans-go shift kit, some 3.73 gears and enjoy.
Could be the next 2 door conversion series 🤔🤔
Definitely the problem, MAP sensor causes stalling if bad!!
My wife and I bought another 77 four-door Impala that has 83 thousand miles on it and this thing quieter than a Tesla
You can block the map sensor off and they will still run they throw a code 34 it's not something that would cause a low idle stall.
Those are really nice driving cars, and are pretty much bulletproof. My parents had an '86 Parisienne. They drove it for 10 trouble free years, then sold it to my uncle. It had well over 500, 000 km's on it when he finally parked it. Other than regular maintenance the drive train hadn't been touched and the body was still solid. Frame rust is what finally killed it. Tune that one up and enjoy cruising around with the comfort of a couch.
Pretty cool car buddy. I'd put duel exhaust on it and change up the wheels and drive it. Thanks for all the cool content and congrats on a great find.
Yep i put rallys and letter tires 🔥
My mom had an 1985 Delta 88, sand metallic in colour in northern Alberta. What a gorgeous car. Looked just like that beast. She wrote it off in Edmonton in 1993.
You bought it because it's one of the best looking and driving cars ever. I LOVE these cars
Dang, I’ve got an early tbi pickup project that I put on the back burner with the same symptom.
I think this is the newest car 🚙 on the channel and for 2500 I'd buy that all day long 👍
When I was police chief, I had a police package 1988 Caprice. 350, cop tires, cop suspension, all the goodies. It was a great car. I kept it for 10 years until I retired in 1998. Wish I could have kept it.
Dan that’s an awesome machine for $2500 Cnd…those are amazing cars and are as dependable as an axe. Oh and all of the aftermarket suspension parts for a 94 to 96 Impala SS will bolt on…including the disc brake reared. Oh and they go really well with an LS4L80 swap :)
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I had an almost exact copy of that car except mine had a burgundy interior. I ran that car until it had almost 250k on it, then the cam wear was bad enough to start popping back into the intake on open throttle. The OD clutches would get stuck and you had to shift it manually also. It had a lot of rust underneath from the northeast winters here and it finally had to be junked but, I loved that car.
You should clean restore and enjoy it. I will watch every episode with this car in it.
Such a deal, 35,000 miles and $2500. Put some detroit "steelies", repaint the hood and decklid, fix the ac and cruise the old gal. Rad ride!
What a great find. Keep it original, once running right, restore the paint and you have a very nice car.
Check the intake and base of the throttle body to make sure they aren't warped.. History tells me that if it gotten hot, that's an issue.. ALSO, they have KNOWN issues with the intake manifolds.. My nephew had to change 3 OEM, and finally bought an Edelbrock aluminum one to replace it with.. After that, it ran over 300,000 miles..
Those are GREAT cars! Back in the 80's every cop car in New Jersey was a Caprice. Except for the ones that were Crown Vics.
Hey Dan, I know this is foreign to you, but if you look above your head while driving this car that soft fuzzy thing you see is called a "headliner"
Great find ! These G and B body GM cars are hard to kill and are very comfortable . I enjoy driving my 81 Oldsmobile Delta 88 sedan every time except in winter .
Try replacing ignition module
@@LarryKimbrough-b4r Like anything age catches up year by year parts might not be easy to get and these are far simpler to work on compared to today's high tech vehicles.
Yep, That's why people here in the States, atleast in the Southwest anyway are buying theses A and B body cars from 70's and 80's and putting 30's, 40's and early 50's bodies on them and building budget hot rods. It's a natural fit.... think about what you do/upgrade when you build a hot rod..... You upgrade to a modern V8 Drive train, guess what.... most of them already have that, upgrade the suspension and lower the car, They already have that too, power steering power brakes? Ditto...... and most of the wheelbases are close enough that you don't even have to bother with it.
I own an 1989 Caprice with only 37k miles. Purchased 4 years ago from a small dealer. An older woman owned since new and passed away. 305 is great on gas. AC was retrofitted and works great. They make a chip for the ECU and that boosted the power tremendously. Dual
Exhaust and a decent edle Brock pro flow filter too. Nice set of mags. Garaged in the winter. My grandparents had two when I was growing up. Pure nostalgia for me. Couch on wheels. I live in NH so it’s hard to find a nice one. Please take care of it. ❤
That would be a beast on the power tour! And with the 305 and the overdrive, it'll be easy on gas .
Hey Dan, my daughter has a 1987 Chevy pickup. It would die at all the stop lights. Turns out believe it or not, the distributor shaft was worn. I dropped in a new distributor and it’s running great. That was 8 years ago.
Good buy. Those were always nice to drive. Grandpa car or not its worth it and will hold its value in such good shape.
Those Box Chevys are worth their weight in gold now. The '71-'76 Impalas and Caprices are also skyrocketing. In fact-they are selling for more money than a Camaro or Nova. I've owned 31 of them.
Wow Dan, I'm impressed with what you've got there! Amazingly well kept, My Pop had an Olds 98 like that, and I had one too, Great Cars!
I drove one the exact same on taxi. 305 was absolutely fantastic on fuel efficiency
Hey Dan, these old TBI motors are real sensitive to timing. There is a wire you will have to disconnect (likely on the firewall, driver side), then you can shoot the timing. Factory setting will probably be 0 degrees advance. good luck with it, and keep it stock, no LS!
Definitely true they are known to have loose distributor mainshafts and cause hard starts I agree with this statement 100%
If you attempt to clean the throttle body, just be aware that brake cleaner is not ideal for cleaning a throttle body, as it can be too harsh for the sensitive components of the throttle body. Carb cleaner is a better choice, but the best option is to purchase a dedicated throttle body cleaner, which is created especially for throttle bodies and won’t ruin the air sensor.
They do make throttle body cleaner.
I couldn't believe how many original tags and stickers from the factory that are still on their. Amazing purchase brother
I'm still mad that my grandma gave away her 86 Parisienne. Got lost one day driving around, decided she wasn't going to drive anymore, and called someone to haul it away. Was in mint condition.
My best friend in high school shared an 86 Parisienne with his mom. The shit we got into and did to that poor car. Was probably one of the least cool cars to be seen in back in the day but nowadays I'd love to have one in the fleet
My great grandma owned a 1985 Parisienne, 305 paired to 700R4. She passed away and so it was kept for a near decade to one get restored and a new transmission because no reverse. I got it given to me for free with title, my first little revival actually. I for one liked that Pontiac style. Unfortunately since it was a vinyl top and not well cared for, it was rotted all the way through. I tried to fix it but was too far gone. Rather than let it go to salvage I tried to get someone that would at least get use out of it, which they did luckily. Miss that car to this day. One of the few four doors I thought were kinda unique
@@DevinReed-be4fmindestructible engine and a good transmission.
@@a3300000 by far. In a weird way, I prefer the 305 and 700R4 setup. I've heard you can swap the heads or something like that from a 350 and it makes them even better. Is it fact or myth? I can't say for sure. Not much of a know how on performance, just enough to get a rig cruising
yeah you can swap 350/305/400 heads around the blocks are all the same, and chamber diameters all work. But generally you swap 305 heads onto a 350 or 400 block to bring compression up, they also flow a little better than 350-2v heads stock.
That a great find.
You have a vacuum leak. Use the tube on the starting fluid and isolate the leak. Keep it stock and run it.
Those are the same frames to 96. We have a local guy with a 408 with road race tires.
Can we please get rid of the monster mud flaps?
Spray the intake gasket, possible vacuum leak there. That spray can is pretty general in it’s direction and area size.
TBI are speed density systems so any vacuum leak around the throttle body just increases the RPM. Running lean has to be an uneven vacuum leak causing a cylinder or two to misfire OR a lean condition caused by the coolant sensor or map sensor. Also if the EGR valve is leaking exhaust into the intake at idle the engine will not be happy. Lastly check the evaporative system which may have been damaged in that dent in the left front.
He can make a fortune just sale it in Florida
I live in Miami and I almost pooped when I heard that price 😂
@@Bird_Brain_Dave boys would go crazy if they seen this for sale he could literally start a bidding war right now if he wanted to lol
Yep, someone would have a body lift and 26" wheels on it within an hour of it being sold
I sold my dad's 1990 Caprice for my mom after my dad passed. It was the same car, colors, motor, everything. It only had 66,000 miles on it. I had the same issue with it not wanting to stay running, the car sat for a couple of years before selling. I had to replace the fuel pump because of the ethanol. I also had to replace the throttle body / carb. I was lucky enough to find one at a local u-pull it salvage yard. It was originally my grand fathers car and when he passed it was left to my dad. I thought about hanging on to it, but I hardly drove it, and figured it would be better off going to someone that could enjoy it. My dad said he could drive from central Florida to North Carolina state line, 500 miles on one tank of gas.
Nice car, and best of luck with it.
Those box chevys bring stupid money in the states 👍
I mean, how could you not buy it?! It's a real sweetheart! Good goin' there Dan.
Dan - You have to have 15 psi at the throttle body or it won't idle correct - I know this because I've been there - The TBI has a 15 psi regularor built into it in case your pump is over pressuring it - Git Mur to check the pump psi output.
Spray at the EGR valve and its gasket, they were known to leak. Back light the injectors to see the spray pattern, should be a fine mist with no drips. Nice score!
No sunroof no leather interior that's a keeper
That engine has the ECU with the removable PROM Chip and Hypertech still offers it, I had one on my 91 S10 and it woke it up a pinch. Put a straight edge or both surfaces to see if their flat and if you disconnect the battery for about 20 mins it clears the memory and relearns once you start it.
Don't touch the motor leave it as it is lol.. to me because maybe it had been rarely driven the fuel could be older, so my advice is to run that old fuel out of her then top up with new fuel and then change the fuel filter which is inline and also clean the IAC sensor like you said.. works wonders on these cars from this era.
Awesome find and cheers 🍻
My buddy bought one of these in 1999 , absolutely mint, no scratches or stains, old lady owned it, it was a cool car, he put wire rims and white walls, big speakers
Nice car! I would fix what needs fixed, and then take it to a detail shop and let them do their thing to it. There is something to be said about an older car that is all original and in this nice of shape.
1980's Cars are becoming more popular than people think. I've got a project 81' Malibu Coupe that I finally got tuned up and am able to drive around. I get the looks, thumbs up, wave of approvement and people asking about the car. To my shame and because of where I live I had to have a Mechanic install the SBC 305 that was swapped into it and a Dyno Shop that did the Exhaust. Everything else Interior and Exterior I am fixing on the car, it's a work in progress for sure but it runs. And it's definitely getting attention. Now for the TBI, before he died, my stepfather had a 89' GMC Sierra with a similar TBI system in it, I am trying to remember what the problem was with those, I remember having replaced something in the TBI but right now it eludes me the one major problem those TBI's had. . . .
Dan we must be related! I found an 89 Caprice identical to yours but a basic model. No vinyl roof, no wire wheel caps and I found it 7 years ago on a roadside. It had 53,000 documented (have a complete maintenance history) miles (82,000k) and I love it. The body is perfect and the undercarriage is the same. I now have 110,000 KMS on it and except for tires and brakes I have $1700 in repairs. It's a big car and I have a couple of dings in the front fender. It has manual windows and if I want to open the passenger side windows I have to undo my seat belt. And I am well over six feet tall.
It has a 305 but don't know what the tranny is. It came with full sheet metal wheel covers but I kept losing them. I put on a set of Nova dog dish caps and it looks mean!
It's an old man car but I am really old. It is surprising the number of offers I've had on it from young and older men alike.
Being old it will probably be my last car unless something happens to it. I also have a vintage vehicle. So what to do? Keep it'
Very cool find, I'm curious to know what ratio the rear is in it, take a look at the service parts ID label on the trunk lid, look for the gear ratio: GU..or G.... something, a great buy!, keep the video's coming!
My first car at 16 was a grey 87 Caprice identical to this one except mine had a 4.3 V6 and a 200r trans. I ran Cragars on it in the good weather months and studded truck tires on it in the winter. Loved that car.
Dan check your egr valve or the map sensor. The system is obd1 so you can bring up codes by taking a paper clip for a u u to jump out the 2 right pins on your diagnostic plug under the dash turn your key on engine not running but dash lights lit position and your codes blink out. 1 flash then a pause followed by 2 flashes of the check engine light is a code 12 and ect. Hope this helps.
I had basically the same car back in the day. Mine was a 1982 Impala with the same setup, 305, over drive auto, etc... Mine didn't have fuel injection, it had a big ol' quadrajet and ran GREAT. After literally a half million miles, the transmission gave out. Mine started it's life as an unmarked police car 🙂 Paint on the side: "Get off my lawn!"
Super clean car! I was a parts guy at a GM dealership all through the 80’s and 90’s…I sold hundreds of those base gaskets! And that doohickey is a map sensor 😂
Hey Dan, I once had a 1990 Roadmaster with same issues. Finally replaced EGR and it was cured! Good luck on that sweet ride!
You want a name for it. It's the Old Man! Call it the Old Man. The TBI system is very sensitive to vacuum issues. Make sure all vacuum lines are hooked up properly. Do not cut corners here. The distributor and the ecm are problematic, also. Make sure the charging system/alternator is functioning properly. All circuits need 12 volts. Like fuel injection weak voltage causes problems. Aged wiring harnesses can cause problems also. Make sure vacuum valve on air cleaner works properly. TBI needs hot air from exhaust manifold and stove pipe connection to air cleaner to supply heated air on each cold start. My Caprice had all sorts of problems. Once I replaced the ecm the car ran fine and got great gas mileage. I am getting 25 mpg and better depending on driving conditions. Do not LS it. Just fix it with reliable parts from Rock Auto and it will be the best car you will ever own.
i do believe mr bieri has a large cassete collection u could possibly raid if u asked nicely . if u intend on cleaning the throttle body dont use brake cleaner its way to harsh for the components , carb cleaner u probably get away with or get a cleaner specific to them
Peak traditional American car, there! If i were mine, I'd fix the minor body blemishes. Get the 305 running nice and maybe add a dual exhaust with good mufflers for a nicer but quiet sound. Grab some 9c1 (police package) suspension parts (it doesnt have a rear away bar currently) to tighten up the handling without ruining the ride. Maybe add a set of 17" alloy rally wheel replicas and a decent set of tires. Add a more modern sound system ... And enjoy!
Nice find!!
LS swap, suspension and brake upgrade, cruise it.
Your Very Very lucky your old man is there with you , man o man how i wish my pops was helping me with cars! blessed u R😊😊
If it won't idle the IAC motor maybe bad. Also, check you TPS for correct output voltage and dead spots. If your IAC is acting up, just open up your throttle blades by adjusting the screw so it will idle.
I’m way older, but you know you’re getting old when these kinds of cars become appealing lol.
Dan, don't LS swap this car, keep the 305. I have an 84 Monte Carlo SS with a 305. It ain't a hot rod, it is a very dependable, quiet, smooth car. It came with a turbo 350 trans, I replaced it with a 2004R over drive, it is a pleasure to drive now. I also replaced the computer controlled Quadra jet with a 79 non computer Quadra jet, along with the computer controlled HEI . I used a 79 HEI. The car is a great cruiser now getting better gas mileage, and at 70 mph it turns 2100 rpm. there is nothing wrong with a 305, it does what Chevrolet designed it to do. You will appreciate the comfort, and fuel economy with this car.
I had an '89 Mercury Gran Marquis, same color inside and out as your Caprice. That was a grand car. I hope you enjoy your Chevy version a lot!
My crawler is running an 88 7.4 TBI. It started running terrible, wouldn't rev up at all. We tried everything. Finally swapped another known good ECM in and it's been great ever since.
Dan! Do the DD Speed Shop version of the Sloppy Fairmont. Turbo LS Bingo Bomber! Love it.
Dan you have won the lottery with this Caprice. Good for you guys.
That generation of Caprice came out in 1977. I was 18 at the time, and a few months later got a job with the fleet services department for the city I lived in. We soon got a bunch of brand new ones in, and I got to work on them. I prefer the front end design of the early models. Those cars are virtually unbreakable, and make great daily drivers. The trunks are HUGE. Much bigger than a Crown Vic. I would swap that 302 for a carbureted 350/383 cast iron small block. Get rid of all the computers and emissions crap and you'll have a nice dependable driver that is easy to work on if/when needed.
Geezer Gasser. Great project had a couple of them years ago carbs and no ecu. Looking forward to following this build.
congrats to the GM engineers who designed the 77 & up models.one of the best designs to ever come out of GM.these things were like the energizer bunny.maintain them properly & they would run damn near forever.& im an old ford guy.
Edelbrock carburetor and intake manifold and you are golden. Forget about the TBI and CPU.
Awesome snag. Should be a great daily driver. 😁👍
You may want to check the transmission to make sure what engine you have. I had a 86 and from what I understand,if the AC compressor is on the passenger side you'll have a 307 with 200R4. If the compressor is on the driver side you'll have a 305/350 with 700R4. Don't know if that changed in your year so the tranny will tell. I've had running issues with my 86 also. Now mine was not a TBI but it did have an electronic controlled Carburetor so I ended swapping it out with a Holley and changed the distributor to make it run without ECU. Never had issues since. Your intake is different because of the TBI so swapping it for a carb won't work unless you swap the intake also. Now on a TPI the center bolts are in a different angle than the front and backs. Don't know if the TBI is the same so they could use the same heads. In the pas,t I've swapped a 305 Camaro Iroc Z TPI / 700R4 into my 1960 Bel Air and used the 283 intake with carburetor of which I had to redrill the two center holes on each side to make it work. And it did! Put around 100K miles on that 305/700R4 unit without issues except... replacing several motor/tranny mounts and center bearings from braking as that thing had tons of torque with it's factory 14" wheels and axle. My little two barrel would spin the wheels in first and second gear without effort. I've enjoyed every mile of the 100K I've driven. The Caprice is a lazy car but a nice boat to drive. Soft, relaxing and darn comfortable.
I had an 82 so there were differences.. There is a vacuum line to the charcoal canister. It has a purge valve that clears the fumes from the canister when first started. Ours didn't close when it should , creating a vacuum leak killing the idle.
i have a 79 2 door i found for mom an dad back in 83 ,,,working on the brakes as its been in my barn long time no rust it will make a nice show car