I find it interesting to read all the comments about how bad this modification is. How about lets see some "Looks great. Here's the innovative difficult ground breaking think that I did." Show us what you have done, not beat down this man's project. Billk
I have seen any number of his projects run, and run well. As I have said. Show us what you have done. Where is your channel???? Put up or shut up. Billk
@@williamklein1221 i am not saying that this built is dumb but what kind of logic do you have? By your logic, no person can call out something if they cannot do one themselves? Lol, what are you, a child? If i see someone build a fragile glass helmet as a riding helmet i cannot call it out if i cannot build my own helmet? Lol, ok 😂
Offsetting the crank pin to make a stroker with buying no parts. All labor. If you chuck the crank back in the lathe once you get it assembled, you can use a dial indicator on the second side so you get a better "clocked on the crankpin" balance job. Its more accurate than just a straight edge to check the squareness side to side.
think the bigger issue is the hand pinning on the re-assemble when it original was so tight it had to be pressed out. think this vid was more of a concept/ability to do it more then actual practice. there was a lot of things skipped like before even dis-asm what was the width on the main rod, crank bearing space etc etc all the other steps when dealing with cranks and rods. It was a cool vid but as you point out there def some flaws/improvements to be looked at.
Impossible to know what the gains are or were, without proper testing this could lose power, I used to know a guy who raced, his dad was a bit of a tuner and always worked the ports, he had the "touch" he stayed in the rules as to port size but he had more power and torque, always pulling away from the pack, I would like to see some results from a stroker rather than one thats been ported.
@@Taz6688 i had cg engine on dirt bike chassis called crf150l here in indonesia,my crank pin offseted to 2mm up so my stroke now increase 4mm fron the standard 57.8mm,adding 5nm of torque across all range & more fuel efficient due to bigger engine stroke😀
@@coreymatthews9921 hard for 2 stroke,mostly here using 4 stroke engine and standard connecting rod then we machining piston to match block height if possible or adding new spacer in the bottom of cylinder block and new camshaft chain,for 2 stroke engine need to adjust the port for added piston height af bdc and make new spacer bdc or if you can use connecting rod that shorter from your standard ones,but i dont reccomend this because shorter connecting rod ratio can have bad effect on cylinder walls
Impressive again and mega congrats ! 2 quick hints if it would be necessary however: +/- 0.05mm at the crank shaft end to be set, and maybe, a small tig pointing at the connecting rod head axle, especially on 2 cylinders engine, but 1-cyl as well. Meanwhile just wondering about the resulting benefit, Vs. increasing the combustion chamber pressure (surface milling), aside the longer stroke effect (more volume displacement) and risks (comb. chamber vs piston interference, piston skirt vs. Crankshaft mass). Last hint, in term of dynamic design, square stroke x dia sizes provides usually a better balance.
120 hai thì nó gần tương đương 250 bốn thì rồi mà còn chê yếu,cu cậu này chắc muốn mau đến với ... tổ tiên đây.Mình thấy Su mặt quỷ đôn rồi,kéo một phát,đầu piston thông nhau luôn.
Changing the stroke completely changes the port timing on the intake and the exhaust. How do you compensate for the piston striking the head? How much lower are the RPMs now. Is the ignition timing going to complement the lower redline?? was The crankcase capacity taken into the calculation the cylinder capacity? The intake timing, the transfer port timing, and the exhaust port timing are all considered to work with the ignition timing. Not to mention, the exhaust pipe/exhaust expansion chamber is designed to work with a certain capacity. this crankshaft does not have keyed crank pins..I didn’t notice you truing the crankshaft halves to each other.. did this modification concentrate the power band or expand it? Because all of the port timings and ignition timing were designed to work with a certain length of stroke. The stroke is now changed. Even the transmission ratios are figured to complement the power band.. By making the stroke longer, did you shim the cylinder up at the base? Or did you shim the head up by putting additional head gaskets? If you just shimmed the head, how did you set the timing? A standard timing would be 2 millimeters before top dead center..With a longer stroke, the standard ignition timing spark will arrive earlier, increasing the likelihood of detonation.. i’m not saying it won’t work, I’m not saying it won’t make more power, I’m just saying that there is a whole lot to consider when you change one thing, everything else changes.. i have seen tuners always tweaking things, and always making their machines less reliable and slower.. I did the same for my first two years of road racing two strokes. My third year I decided to leave the machine box stock and just concentrate on learning how to ride rather than constantly repairing the machine which I ended up modifying into a pile of junk. After I started leaving the machine bone stock, I won six road racing championships and two national championships, on a bone stock utterly reliable 250 2 stroke.. after i finally realized that it was not the machine that was slow, it was me..
U should watch video from south east asia. we have faster 2 stroke here. 125cc can go up to 185kmh on GPS. 150cc can go around 200-220kmh. We only increase the stroke around 0.8mm and maximum is 2mm.
Maybe before making haphazard modifications you should have done some research and learned BEFORE modifying your machine. Longer stroke mods have been done for years very successfully even invisibly from outside the engine it is called cheating by some
No dial gauge for the Web alignment just a steel straight edge. Wow. I admire your trust in your eyes. 😮 You will have to use a packer plate under the barrel to keep port timing correct so no gain in cc just a longer stroke so a less revving engine which in turn will lower BHP at the wheel unless different gearing is used. A gain in one place = a loss in another place
Excelente...!!! Lo único malo es que no diste el ajuste a los rodamientos laterales del cigüeñal, pudiste aplicar soldadura en la pista del cigueñal donde va el rodamiento y refrentar la cara del cigüeñal y el eje al mismo tiempo( 0.01 mm) de interferencia y listo.
Can't tell on my phone. Is he stroking it, Moving the crank pin straight out fron the main journals or is he offsetting it to one side to change the rod angle at tdc?
wow that is neat that's how you do it, need to build one from scratch and it is all built on a lathe turned down from a big diameter piece of steel 2 sides then the center journal is pressed into the perfect hole with thin shims and the bearing in the middle. need to make a stock one I won't be racing the bike just riding it around town
Did that move the pin out? Wouldn't you have to fill in the hole all the way and rebore to do that. Or was this just to clean up tolerances for a new pin and bearing?... Stroking it would increase power but I don't see that going on here (as stated in the title). Sweet rebuild though
So you increased stroke length, when can we expect to see your video addressing the need for a spacer or stroker plate under the cylinder to keep the piston from hitting the cylinder head unless a custom short piston or short connecting rod is to be used? Equally important, now that the crankshaft has a longer stroke, placing your reciprocating weight further from crankshaft centerline it will need to be rebalanced to avoid excessive vibration and premature failure.
none of that is a serious problem you could possibly machine the top of the piston as 2S-MC pistons are notoriously thick, also you could have a custom piston made which would negate those issues if you wanted to use a spacer that is also nothing dramatic either as most 2S mostly use oring for head to cly seal if you are doing the stroke on a 2S-MC you are not a novice so you would have it rebalanced any way
I agree! and there is also a chance that the rod could contact the case at TDC. also no side clearance was set on the rod bearing, and the crank pin was not nearly tight enough, I have never seen one just simply pound in! a press has always been needed on the cranks I have redone!
@@motox103 I've had to put the cranking in the freezer and the flywheels on a hot plate before to get them to go together, doing it with all parts at room temperature was making my press make weird noises and making me nervous. Having had a press eject a part out under high pressure once before was enough for me. That was on some Yamaha YZ450F builds I was doing about 6 or 7 years ago.
Love all the comments from 2 stroke nubs on this. Stop being restricted by what is available on the shelves. You will be amazed as to what a good set of carbon reeds, a stroked cam, a metal gasket set and a proper resonator can do to a small displacement engine.
@@kcrichton7485 not really. It's a 2 stroke. I don't know about where you live, but I could saw up 2 cranks and have them welded, balanced and rehardened within a week. I don't have 40ks worth of tools etc. Because other people do. 🙄
Lmfao if its available on the shelf. Its because someone like me spent years and unimaginable sums of miney R&Ding it. That means i know that my product isnt going to fail and that the reason im making it makes sense as a sales point. You muppet. What this guy did is take a worn out crank and make it look like it wasnt worn out. Lmfao. That crank is useless. He just made a grenade
You showed some machining, but did not reference as your title said How Which way and by how much, and if you moved it towards the top, hw much clearance will be left
А почему индикатором в конце не проверил? хотя и так видно биение около 7 или 8 соток, без камеры поправил? Совет при сборке коленвала неплохо немного нагреть половинки 70-80 С сборка происходит качественней и легче, ну а так конечно лайк.
That pin definitely won't mushroom out when you hammer on it. Also I do my best welding in sandals too. Please excuse me while I use ramen and glue to fix everything.
i love the stroke measure but changing the stroke on a two stroke changes the port timing if you use the same deck clearance never found it makes much difference ,changing the bore is the easiest way to increase capacity, but that doesnt work on two strokes either as shallow wide ports have a poor port window area , but i would also worried about the interference fit of the crank pin if you could used a big hammer to assemble
When a guy can line stuff up mostly by eye and by feel, you know he knows his shit. So what is the benfit of moving the Con Rod up higher? Slightly more stroke? More compression? No need to JB weld ports? Other benefits?
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@@noidontthinksolol TH-cam recommends watching this channel. Why are you here?
A simple but very well performed modification, I found great to watch, regards Doc Cox.
now i want to buy a hidraulic press, great work men! keep shearing it!
I find it interesting to read all the comments about how bad this modification is. How about lets see some "Looks great. Here's the innovative difficult ground breaking think that I did." Show us what you have done, not beat down this man's project. Billk
Its so much fun to beat down stupid projects. If you dont know how stupid it is have a real engineer explain it .
I have seen any number of his projects run, and run well. As I have said. Show us what you have done. Where is your channel???? Put up or shut up. Billk
make longer stroke, balancing crank, cutting bottom of piston, add spacer of cylinder body, get bigger capacity, adjust timing order, ussualy custom exhaust and intake also.
@@theelectricunicyclist9069 We'll see, every one of his other builds so far he's put in a bike and ran.
@@williamklein1221 i am not saying that this built is dumb but what kind of logic do you have? By your logic, no person can call out something if they cannot do one themselves? Lol, what are you, a child?
If i see someone build a fragile glass helmet as a riding helmet i cannot call it out if i cannot build my own helmet? Lol, ok 😂
Offsetting the crank pin to make a stroker with buying no parts. All labor. If you chuck the crank back in the lathe once you get it assembled, you can use a dial indicator on the second side so you get a better "clocked on the crankpin" balance job. Its more accurate than just a straight edge to check the squareness side to side.
think the bigger issue is the hand pinning on the re-assemble when it original was so tight it had to be pressed out. think this vid was more of a concept/ability to do it more then actual practice. there was a lot of things skipped like before even dis-asm what was the width on the main rod, crank bearing space etc etc all the other steps when dealing with cranks and rods. It was a cool vid but as you point out there def some flaws/improvements to be looked at.
Impossible to know what the gains are or were, without proper testing this could lose power, I used to know a guy who raced, his dad was a bit of a tuner and always worked the ports, he had the "touch" he stayed in the rules as to port size but he had more power and torque, always pulling away from the pack, I would like to see some results from a stroker rather than one thats been ported.
@@Taz6688 i had cg engine on dirt bike chassis called crf150l here in indonesia,my crank pin offseted to 2mm up so my stroke now increase 4mm fron the standard 57.8mm,adding 5nm of torque across all range & more fuel efficient due to bigger engine stroke😀
@@92gashaulass43 how do I get one of those for 98 kx 250
@@coreymatthews9921 hard for 2 stroke,mostly here using 4 stroke engine and standard connecting rod then we machining piston to match block height if possible or adding new spacer in the bottom of cylinder block and new camshaft chain,for 2 stroke engine need to adjust the port for added piston height af bdc and make new spacer bdc or if you can use connecting rod that shorter from your standard ones,but i dont reccomend this because shorter connecting rod ratio can have bad effect on cylinder walls
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Impressive again and mega congrats !
2 quick hints if it would be necessary however: +/- 0.05mm at the crank shaft end to be set, and maybe, a small tig pointing at the connecting rod head axle, especially on 2 cylinders engine, but 1-cyl as well.
Meanwhile just wondering about the resulting benefit, Vs. increasing the combustion chamber pressure (surface milling), aside the longer stroke effect (more volume displacement) and risks (comb. chamber vs piston interference, piston skirt vs. Crankshaft mass). Last hint, in term of dynamic design, square stroke x dia sizes provides usually a better balance.
This seems to be how they make a supermini. Big bore to get 105cc, then stroked crank to get 112cc. Seems like a ton of work too.
@@therawlifefamily thx, yep i guess so too :-)
Good stuff. Have done this before myself. This in combination with another mod or two can really breathe life into a small engine.
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120 hai thì nó gần tương đương 250 bốn thì rồi mà còn chê yếu,cu cậu này chắc muốn mau đến với ... tổ tiên đây.Mình thấy Su mặt quỷ đôn rồi,kéo một phát,đầu piston thông nhau luôn.
Changing the stroke completely changes the port timing on the intake and the exhaust. How do you compensate for the piston striking the head? How much lower are the RPMs now. Is the ignition timing going to complement the lower redline?? was The crankcase capacity taken into the calculation the cylinder capacity?
The intake timing, the transfer port timing, and the exhaust port timing are all considered to work with the ignition timing. Not to mention, the exhaust pipe/exhaust expansion chamber is designed to work with a certain capacity. this crankshaft does not have keyed crank pins..I didn’t notice you truing the crankshaft halves to each other..
did this modification concentrate the power band or expand it? Because all of the port timings and ignition timing were designed to work with a certain length of stroke. The stroke is now changed. Even the transmission ratios are figured to complement the power band..
By making the stroke longer, did you shim the cylinder up at the base? Or did you shim the head up by putting additional head gaskets? If you just shimmed the head, how did you set the timing? A standard timing would be 2 millimeters before top dead center..With a longer stroke, the standard ignition timing spark will arrive earlier, increasing the likelihood of detonation..
i’m not saying it won’t work, I’m not saying it won’t make more power, I’m just saying that there is a whole lot to consider when you change one thing, everything else changes..
i have seen tuners always tweaking things, and always making their machines less reliable and slower.. I did the same for my first two years of road racing two strokes. My third year I decided to leave the machine box stock and just concentrate on learning how to ride rather than constantly repairing the machine which I ended up modifying into a pile of junk. After I started leaving the machine bone stock, I won six road racing championships and two national championships, on a bone stock utterly reliable 250 2 stroke.. after i finally realized that it was not the machine that was slow, it was me..
U should watch video from south east asia. we have faster 2 stroke here. 125cc can go up to 185kmh on GPS. 150cc can go around 200-220kmh. We only increase the stroke around 0.8mm and maximum is 2mm.
So you being fast on a faster bike would be - even faster. Go figure.
@@djrug Naw, he obviously can't figure.
@@TheNeroScout sure, we also adjust the length of pickup coil, for fire order.
Maybe before making haphazard modifications you should have done some research and learned BEFORE modifying your machine. Longer stroke mods have been done for years very successfully even invisibly from outside the engine it is called cheating by some
You have some skills man👍
Le Dan. I wish i lived closer. So inventive
Goodbye rotating assembly balance. It was nice knowing you.
No dial gauge for the Web alignment just a steel straight edge. Wow. I admire your trust in your eyes. 😮 You will have to use a packer plate under the barrel to keep port timing correct so no gain in cc just a longer stroke so a less revving engine which in turn will lower BHP at the wheel unless different gearing is used. A gain in one place = a loss in another place
I reckon it’s great
Doing at home what costs a bloody fortune at the bike shop
Top job Lee Dan.
Thank you for sharing hope your vision results in good power!
Nice tooling!!
Pretty good,Nice job
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This is normal modification in asia. Certain country called this jack rod/upstroke.
Beautiful!
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Excelente...!!!
Lo único malo es que no diste el ajuste a los rodamientos laterales del cigüeñal, pudiste aplicar soldadura en la pista del cigueñal donde va el rodamiento y refrentar la cara del cigüeñal y el eje al mismo tiempo( 0.01 mm) de interferencia y listo.
Beautiful craftsmanship
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This procedure is called re-phasing, which gives you more top end torque. It's an old Mechanic/Machinist secret use in old school racing.
Can't tell on my phone. Is he stroking it, Moving the crank pin straight out fron the main journals or is he offsetting it to one side to change the rod angle at tdc?
Can you explain it a bit more?
Amazing job, as always.
Boa ferramenta bem feita.
Cảm ơn bạn với những video hay
Like the sandals in that high tech machine shop 🤙🏼😁
In america, since what you did was offset grinding, we call it a stroker.
That is a very nice fixture you have fabricated.
How much stroke increase? This is some real Allen Millyard shit you have going here. Awesome.
Nice jnb from Pakistan
Good video....now i wished i had a lathe.
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wow that is neat that's how you do it, need to build one from scratch and it is all built on a lathe turned down from a big diameter piece of steel 2 sides then the center journal is pressed into the perfect hole with thin shims and the bearing in the middle. need to make a stock one I won't be racing the bike just riding it around town
That’s awesome I weld barefoot too
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It you change suzuki gamma connecting rod? Or?
A real master ! Great job you make Dan ! :)
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I wish I worked in your shop with you. I mis running a lathe and I have so much I want to try with scooters.
Did that move the pin out? Wouldn't you have to fill in the hole all the way and rebore to do that. Or was this just to clean up tolerances for a new pin and bearing?... Stroking it would increase power but I don't see that going on here (as stated in the title). Sweet rebuild though
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Now that's one hell of a craftsman
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So you increased stroke length, when can we expect to see your video addressing the need for a spacer or stroker plate under the cylinder to keep the piston from hitting the cylinder head unless a custom short piston or short connecting rod is to be used? Equally important, now that the crankshaft has a longer stroke, placing your reciprocating weight further from crankshaft centerline it will need to be rebalanced to avoid excessive vibration and premature failure.
none of that is a serious problem you could possibly machine the top of the piston as 2S-MC pistons are notoriously thick, also you could have a custom piston made which would negate those issues if you wanted to use a spacer that is also nothing dramatic either as most 2S mostly use oring for head to cly seal if you are doing the stroke on a 2S-MC you are not a novice so you would have it rebalanced any way
I think the video wasnt meant seriously
Along with the piston coming farther down and hitting the crank, or the rod hitting the case at bdc
I agree! and there is also a chance that the rod could contact the case at TDC. also no side clearance was set on the rod bearing, and the crank pin was not nearly tight enough, I have never seen one just simply pound in! a press has always been needed on the cranks I have redone!
@@motox103 I've had to put the cranking in the freezer and the flywheels on a hot plate before to get them to go together, doing it with all parts at room temperature was making my press make weird noises and making me nervous. Having had a press eject a part out under high pressure once before was enough for me. That was on some Yamaha YZ450F builds I was doing about 6 or 7 years ago.
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Nice!
Impresive good lathe skills
Love all the comments from 2 stroke nubs on this.
Stop being restricted by what is available on the shelves.
You will be amazed as to what a good set of carbon reeds, a stroked cam, a metal gasket set and a proper resonator can do to a small displacement engine.
Yep, all you need is 50k of tools and years of machining practice, or could just buy something much faster and save 45k hahaha
@@kcrichton7485 not really. It's a 2 stroke. I don't know about where you live, but I could saw up 2 cranks and have them welded, balanced and rehardened within a week.
I don't have 40ks worth of tools etc. Because other people do.
🙄
Lmfao if its available on the shelf. Its because someone like me spent years and unimaginable sums of miney R&Ding it. That means i know that my product isnt going to fail and that the reason im making it makes sense as a sales point. You muppet.
What this guy did is take a worn out crank and make it look like it wasnt worn out. Lmfao. That crank is useless. He just made a grenade
@@krotchlickmeugh627 you have never heard of stroking an engine? Wow.
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You showed some machining, but did not reference as your title said How
Which way and by how much, and if you moved it towards the top,
hw much clearance will be left
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Wow nice work 👏
what are y using as a coolant
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Chào anh.anh có nhận hàn chế gắp nhôm không anh..?
Osha is watching this going crazy welder and sandals in the same picture 📸 😅
You can use a 2stroke motor like a sterling engine.
Brass shims will stop your tool sliding. Higher friction coefficient opposed to steel on steel.
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А почему индикатором в конце не проверил? хотя и так видно биение около 7 или 8 соток, без камеры поправил? Совет при сборке коленвала неплохо немного нагреть половинки 70-80 С сборка происходит качественней и легче, ну а так конечно лайк.
Có đặt hàng làm mái 2 nong k anh
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That pin definitely won't mushroom out when you hammer on it. Also I do my best welding in sandals too. Please excuse me while I use ramen and glue to fix everything.
Do you have to install a shorter piston after that?
Needs a reworked barrel as well, all the port timings will change.
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Good job and interesting
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Heh...
A 2 stroke 'stroker'
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Why do you put music in the background? The work and sound from that is all that is needed.
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i love the stroke measure but changing the stroke on a two stroke changes the port timing if you use the same deck clearance never found it makes much difference ,changing the bore is the easiest way to increase capacity, but that doesnt work on two strokes either as shallow wide ports have a poor port window area , but i would also worried about the interference fit of the crank pin if you could used a big hammer to assemble
The power numbers may not show it but port timing can be ALOT of extra speed/TQ when we are talking small/low power 2stroke
100% Love the big hammer tho...
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Weldone gentleman i am from Pakistan and i know a person who modify crank.. how much millimeters you made difference
Hay anh
Hello how did you increase power by this action???
When a guy can line stuff up mostly by eye and by feel, you know he knows his shit.
So what is the benfit of moving the Con Rod up higher?
Slightly more stroke?
More compression?
No need to JB weld ports? Other benefits?
man ... I wish crank bearings fit that easy 🤣
I ever made smooth like that, so the case will safe for longer time. while its getting hot n cold every time.
For 2 stroke it's normal to have loose bearing at crankshaft, but tight at crankcase. For 4 stroke both need to be tight.
Those are mock up bearings honed out to fit easily for truing the crank not the bearing that the engine will see
Noo you wouldn't want that. My 2T moped had to replace crankshaft because of loose bearing. it woud cause rattle at any rpm
God al ways fascinating vidios
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Can you make a 5 or 6 cylinder
Like the cbc 1000cc
nice work
Bro we need you in our country
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