How to mash FAST! - Smash Ultimate & Smash 4
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In this video we cover what exactelly you have to do to get out of grabs or similar situations in Smash Ultimate & Smash 4 Wii U as fast as possible.
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Mashing works exactly the same for Smash Ultimate!
Beefy Smash Doods thanks!
thank you i was wondering
thank you :)
That's what I was doing because I remembered your video.
Hahaha this was a very economic way to make the announcement. lol
1. Making a new video
2. Reuploading your old video
3. Renaming the old video *300 IQ plays*
Galaxy brain
BEEFY MASH DOODS
Aha XD
Haha nicht schlecht :D
+Beefy Smash Doods MEEFY BASH DOODS
do taunt buttons count as inputs?
Alright at this point this channel is the goat for undiscovered smash 4 knowledge.
I actually found it faster using the control stick to escape. It might be because I'm left handed thus moving with the dominate hand equals faster results.
Left Handers Unite! :D
+SupermarioSteel There's dozens of us! Dozens!
Bass I LOVE your videos PS: your left handed?!
That's less imputs. Circle.
+Nazerman Deutchz I'm wildly speculating now but shouldn't the circle count as up to ~360 different inputs? rather than the left and right *two*? I don't know.
Thanks, this is a question I've had since Melee was released.
I don't know but I think it's different in Melee.
I still used to wonder when I played it.
If I have understood it right, in melee it's every input, including control stick but only in four directions. One input = 12 frames removed from grab. 1 pummel = six frames added from grab. IC is a bit more complicated. Haven't done any research on them. Might be the same in smash 4 sorry I didn't watch it until I made a comment :P
+Doopliss Doopliss? You seem familiar!
Thanks for the information! I always get excited when I see one of your videos, because you always managed to cover obscure but super relevant and practical stuff.
Something cool to note for the swiping, I use the side of my hand below my thumb (Thenar eminence muscle) and slide it back and forth really fast. Saves my thumb from being tired, as well recovering the hand position is fast because you can keep the reset of your hand cupped on the side of the controller. In fact not only do you hit the buttons, but you can also hit the C-Stick as you go back and forth, adding another input since it always returns to neutral.
Cheers~
Good to know! I always pretty much circled the analog stick and and mashed 'A'.
So now I'll stick with just the stick.
Wobbling is back Kappa
Wobbling to get OUT of a grab though? This is new.
+Scantron Oh the irony
are u a pedguin fan?
im not the same person that posted the comment (comment not reply)
...you don't just name something with a term already in use. Call it rocking or something, but wobbling is reserved for the ice climbers :C
+Bunni-chan We really thought about it. We even considered rocking. But it sounds kinda weird.
And we have to accept it; Ice Climbers are just a memory now...
Kind Regards, Slice
+Beefy Smash Doods Just a memory... Why do you have to remind us
+Beefy Smash Doods rip
+Beefy Smash Doods Except Melee is more relevant than smash 4
Alexander Gomez And the presidential election of the USA is more relevant than Smash, but still there's a technique called "Ledge Trump".
But they aren't the same topic, so it doesn't really matter.
Kind Regards, Slice
1. Use a controller with turbo functionality
2. Pronto!
This was very helpful! I was one of those people just mashing random inputs until this video.
What if you are holding a direction on the control stick and then roll your thumb across the face buttons? Will that only count as one input for the whole time?
I am so glad you guys made this video, I'm only annoyed it took this long to find this out. Playing a character that's at danger of suiciding with a buffered dair coming out of a mash, knowing the analog stick works as a struggle method by itself is a huge help.
Just wanted to update this with a tip ZeRo shared in a recent video; switching the D-pad buttons to Shield (or any other available input, Shield is just possibly the least problematic to buffer) will allow you to circle the D-pad - much like you would with the main joystick - and get an input for each direction you press.
My god, that thumbnail with this title ahaha
+TheBeggies95 It's so amazing! :D
dat face
Pikachu:PIKA PIKA(DO ME HARDER)
Its like saying "how to cum FAST"😂
*Says wobbling*
*Remembers that ice climbers arent in the game*
*cries*
:)
Not anymore c;
So all this time circling my control stick was good! WOW...!
Really good advice.
TL;DR
Circle the control stick or mash buttons.
Control stick is (almost insignificantly) slower but is safer as you do not risk inputting attacks after escaping a grab, shaking off stun etc.
You can also wobble your thumb from b>a>y. I like doing this because Its closest to the normal way I position my fingers during neutral, so its convenient.
This is awesome, thanks! I actually asked the SC scene about this a couple weeks ago, and the general consensus was "I don't know."
Spaming d-pad wouldn't work?
+Expand Dong The control stick has 8 inputs, the d-pad has 4. I don't see it being a better solution. Not to mention, you might buffer a taunt and then you're in really deep shit.
+♥Rd0Lg♥ You can assign 4 different moves to the Dpad (Special Attack etc.) which equal super fast button mashing
+Expand Dong taunts do not help with mashing...
you could assign normal moves to the d-pad, but it wouldn't be faster than normal button mashing i think^^
+♥Rd0Lg♥ the game only counts 4 directional inputs.. up, right, down, left... but it's still pretty fast to circle it!
Eh. Left Hand D-Pad = 4 buttons, Right Hand Wobbling, GG
Wobbling only works *IF YOU HAVE FREAKISHLY CROOCKED THUMBS LIKE THE ONES DEPICTED HOLY SHIT WHY DO THEY BEND @ A THREE HUNDRED FIFTEEN DEGREE ANGLE!?*
+mega zero It's icky. But it's a sign of dominance. Xd
+mega zero not really genetically you get thrown somewhere in between a "straight thumb" or a "hitchhikers thumb" thereis nothing freaky about him being closer to hitchhiker thumbs. you could argue that with maybe a double jointed thumb is "wierd" but even then thats not very rare either.
+mega zero And your thumbs AREN'T like that? o_O That's always been my normal depiction of thumbs.
+Chaos007X In school people would freak out when I showed them it, so I would pretend my thumb was broken to people who didn't already know about it. Get some good laughs while you still can. lol
this was actually really helpful. I used to just randomly mash, but now I know all I have to do is spin the left stick
I found that if you shake your right hand with your thumb over the left stick like dash dancing you can move the stick rapidly. It's also effective you dash dance like your "toying" and can't switch hands fast enough to use it outside of cosmetic purposes.
This vid made me subscribe. Keep up the exceptionally awesome work
+JayVeeIn Thanks! Will do :)
"Lately we've been wondering"
ZeRo rubbed off on you huh
lolzero
Fantastic video, I was just struggling today with how to effectively mash! Thanks!
Cant you technically map 4 different Inputs to the D-Pad and Spam the D-Pad? Wouldnt it be more effizient?
You loose your Taunt game tho which is pretty vital for mindgames. :D
+Legendiro Well, circling the D-Pad once is pretty much just 4 inputs. I guess the Stick is faster/more efficient.
And as You mentioned: You lose a huge chunk of mindgame possibilities; probably not worth. :P
Kind Regards, Slice
Side ways are the same inputs
+Samir Malik dayum son. :(
There's no taunting online so, I do this for my online control scheme
Zero said this about the d pad. I'd like to see some testing. I don't think he'd be wrong
Krool and inkling brought me to this guide XD
ROB and Elegant's beautiful mashing brought me to this.
You own the dressing room of the meta, you keep changing it Kappa
This video actually helped me notice a defect in my brain. I can't do that thumb wobbling mash that was mentioned. I'm mentally and physically incapable of moving my thumb like that that quickly. Interesting.
I recall a thread in the Jigglypuff forum about this, and it's nice to see the concept being handled in greater detail. I've found that I don't really like using the stick during a grab, as for some reason it's much less effective for me than buttons and I might end up DIing badly if I'm not careful. It's also nice to know that preemptively DIing during a grab is actually bad when trying to mash out.
omg I came back to this to practice mashing and he sounds like a robot lmaoo. so much more energy in their videos now.
what about mashing L and R like you used to do in that sandshrew minigame on pokemon stadium?
Hey dudes!
Sorry if this has been mentioned before/I'm too lazy to scroll through every comment, but I'm wondering: Would moving the control stick from left to right be quicker than a full circle?
Here's my reasoning: A full circle is 8 inputs. But if you move the control stick from neutral to right, would that count as 2 inputs? In Brawl, the control stick sitting between neutral and a cardinal direction actually counted as one input. So moving from neutral to right to left to neutral would be 8 inputs-the same as a full circle.
Would love to know if it still works the same way in this game.
Thank you guys for all the content, very thoroughly explained and informative!
There is also Typing.
Where you take your right hand, and use it to type on B, A and X in a solid consecutive row with your fingers, instead of your thumb, like spamming keys on a computer keyboard.
But this I only suggest to players who cannot wobble or swipe the buttons.
Since I am not used to wobbling or swiping, I either use the control stick, or the Typing technique.
Although, this requires you to let go of the controller, and spin your hand around to the top of the controller to type the commands. So it requires good hand-eye coordination and quick draw.
However, I have tried the Wobbling technique and the Swiping technique, and found Typing to be the fastest for me.
Try it out yourself to see if it bodes well for you.
I play with my little brother from time to time. He's 9 years old and he's surprisingly good for his age, he has very good instincts. Lately I started to notice how he always manages to escape grabs super fast. I never played against anyone who could escape as fast as he can. I asked him how he does it, but he doesn't know the answer because he's not doing it on purpose. I believe what he's doing is holding down R, keeping the control stick to the left and mashing A. I tried it this way and it seems to work pretty well. I still can't do it as fast as him though. He must be doing it something like that
I came here because I thought I was doing it wrong by circleing the analog stick, but i guess its the right way, time to practice lol
seems to me that it makes more sense to use two hands so that you may establish a rhythmic pattern that can be reset easier and quicker without thumb exhaustion. the "swipe" reset by a single input on the joystick? order being A swipe to B, joystick input back to A for the reset.
One of the things I've always wondered about but couldn't bother to look up.
Good video. That Pikachu on the thumbnail tho.
This is incredibly helpful. I actually accidentally quit in the middle of a game while trying to mash out of zss' pitfall. I use the Wii u pro controller, so the start button is really close to the y button.
Glad to know I've been doing it right all these years.
And superglad to know that you can mash out with the analog stick. I never tried, but I always wondered if there was a safer way to mash. And there is! thanks :D
So basically, it all comes down to dominant hand?
+Ryoga Hibiki that's what I was going to say. It's probably the same time, just he was right handed so the button method was faster.
+Ryoga Hibiki dominant hand doesn't really have much do do with holding a controller unless you are new to video games. If you play video games for a while both hands should have similar reactions on the controller.
Reminds me of My Smash Corner.
I’m practicing for a tournament. And my freind recommends mashing more, this really helped me.
Lolololol and i was using the c stick this whole time to get out of grabs. This vid helped a lot. You guys are sooo cool
Fantastic Vid
Great editing, research and general layout!
That's actually something very useful to learn.
A question; when using the stick, do the diagonal directions count as inputs?
Something has me thinking that they don't...
You'd think that circling the control stick between what amounts to 8 different inputs, would out-pace the time it takes to get free using just three buttons, if the mashing speed with both methods is similar.
Looking at the video above, it seems like, within the interval of a second, you should be getting at least 4 or 5, possibly 6, inputs per second with three face buttons[assuming you don't change x or y to a different input, if you do then equal it out to about 7], but with the stick it seems like you're going through at least one full rotation of the stick within that same amount of time, which would mean 8 inputs if diagonals count.
So the fact that buttons work a bit faster to free your fighter, doesn't really make sense to me...
Do you think it's possible that the stick and the buttons do different amounts of "release energy"?
+smashbrolink diagonals unfortunatelly dont count! Additionally, directional inputs count less than button presses! You can read about this even more detailed in the smashboards thread in the description!
Hope that answered your questions :)
You should make a video on mashing Luigi's down b
I agree
Hit the B button...fast...
Currently in the early days of Ultimate with Inkling and K. Rool shoving everyone into the ground, so I'm glad I caught this video, even if I'm a few years late
that's some impressive thumb movement you got there m8
Backround music choice gets me
wow! thanks! I use wiimote and nunchuck and I used to mash the stick and A+B as fast as I can but now... I think I'll stick to the control stick.
Brings me back to the days of Mario Party 1... :P
I always wondered what was the best way, thank you so much!
Will mashing L and R work? Since they are 2 separate buttons?
I didn't know the specifics, but I did notice that just circling the control stick really fast worked a lot better than mashing tons of buttons and moving the control stick, so I've been doing that for a while now.
Just use the left and right stick, passing the right stick over neutral from left to right to left, and rocking the left stick at diagonals.
FINALLY!!!! Thank you guys for releasing this video.
Wondering if you can clarify something for me: Let's say I want to mash out of a grab using buttons, but I also want to DI their throw... Is it okay to hold the direction I want to DI, while button mashing at the same time? Or would holding a direction cancel the button mashing inputs?
Higher damage makes the grab lasts longer. Mashing will still work but will take longer to escape. This applies to being an egg and being swallowed by special attacks with special properties.
This reminds me of the time I got a blister on my thumb for playing Smash Bros. so much.
Love how you edited the title!
Amazing video! Great info for any smash player. I always wondered what the best method would be, but I never bothered to actually test it. Thanks! ^o^
hears dispersion relation in video:
Me: JOBBY?!
ikr, like shit i noticed it in the high note flute part and a lightbulb lit up in my mind
After watching yesterday's episode of "Excellent Adventures of Gootecks & Mike Ross," I would say 801 Strider probably likes this video.
what i do: analog counter clockwise, c sitck clockwise, when c stick at 12:00 press b, index goes between x and y (i play claw), and left index and right middle finger press l and r
So I guess wobbling finally returned.
What about when an opponent pummels?
+xwasp An opponent pummeling or not does not change what inputs you should be inputting to escape.
I was wondering if pummeling slowed down ho fast one gets out of a grab
xwasp
Well pummeling increases their percent, and the higher percent you have the longer it takes to get out of the grab so I guess it does ever so slightly? If it does, it is not enough to think about in the middle of a fight to be honest though. If you were a robot and were looking for optimized play, you would maybe get one extra pummel in before you threw your opponent if you were lucky.
ok, but again, each character pummels differently, so with some, it's best to go with 3 or 4, like samus or Lucario. others with slower pummels like DK or Villager are best just to throw the opponent.
xwasp
yea i understand, but lucarios pummels are so weak, you would have memorize the percentages of when to do one extra pummel and you would have to assume how fast your opponent is mashing out just to get 1 extra pummel.
How about mashing L and R one after another (one is set to shield the other to grab) This is what I have always done
Does it helps?
Not nearly as fast.
That's switching between two inputs, instead of four everywhere else.
On a pro controller in ultimate, you can set the dpad directions to shield and rotate your finger around it
I don't have a good circular grip with the Control Stick, and I sometimes can't press multiple buttons fast, but I did do a lot of dash dancing back in Super Smash Bros Brawl, so mashing the control stick back and forth is the fastest for me.
This video just earned you another subscriber... oh wait I already subscribed because of a video I watched earlier!
Wow i didn't know you could mash out of a broken shield!!! I always Just gave up! lol excellent video!
This is actually really helpful. I always just slammed all the buttons on the controller. Thanks.
What I see in the thumbnail...
Pikachu screaming "wrong hole" as Villager plows him with his big timber.
Hisoka on Smashboards xD
I just watched this to learn the GODLY MASHING POWERS OF CONCON
I did not know that, I only wiggled the joystick with only 1 input. Thank you yay
after about a year of dying to villagers bury at 50 i finally admitted maybe i need to mash
You make all of the European smash scene
ARE YOU THE GUYS WHO'VE BEEN WONDERING FOR ZeRo?!?
Really nice stuff. THANKS!
Wobbling?
We back boys.
I feel like you guys should do a video on Dash Smashing.
Dash Smashing is extremely deadly and pretty much never expected
I've used to always spun my main stick and then spam the C stick 1 way (because you have to reset to neutral) because that's what I thought was the optimal method in brawl due to the whole "Dual-stick SDI" thing. Could you possibly find out if the dual stick SDI method still works? (where if you wanted to SDI say right, you would hold your main stick North-East and spam your C stick South East)
Well, good to know that I was getting out of grabs/stun/etc. "correctly" (i.e very efficiently), I just circle the left analogue stick, I've done so for the majority of the game.
I always take my right hand, place my ring finger on X, middle finger on A, and index finger on B, then mash ring, middle, and index in order. I get out pretty quickly
one question: when swiping would it be a good idea to use the movement of the hand (when moving from x to b ) and instead of stoping just after b continue just until you move the c-stick and then come back (as shown in the low speed demonstration where it's noticeable how the hand tilts it), as it would count as an imput while you stop the finger to change it's movement direction? Or is the c-stick too far away so that it makes it slower or even to close so that interferes with the b input? (i don't have a wiiu, but sometimes i go to tournaments and there i play with the GC controller)
I didn't even know there was a way to escape grabs faster. I just wait for people to throw me.
Good stuff, although shoulder buttons become a viable option when using the Classic Controller Pro. I have each on separate inputs (grab, jump, shield, attack), and given the shallow nature of the buttons as opposed to the GCC, I am able to effectively swipe alternately with both index fingers. If I can swipe evenly at 32nd note speed (around 90-100 bpm) then it should come through as 64th notes. This also spreads the mashing between two fingers, meaning my thumbs (which are already used more often than any other) don't get too much more stress. I'm still working on it but it seems promising.
Just something to consider if you use the CCP, I suppose.
What about ONLY using the L, R, and Z buttons? If they are all set to different things, for example mine are shield, jump, and special or attack respectively, then it could be even faster. On a controller with digital inputs, like the Pro Controller, it is faster still.
I kinda have trouble using the button mash methods on a Switch Pro Controller while keeping my fingers on the triggers.
Do I just need to practice or is it because of the different size?
the whole video left me thinking if it should be productive to add the taunt stick to the button mashing
+ReNixMaR we thought about it, but it wouldnt really help :p
a Diddy on your face
+dandeentremont lol
I fucking love this guys voice
I was on a match w/zero suit samus and the CPU usted down b on me so i paniced really bad so i wobble and ended killing zero suit samus( and then Two of the buttons of my 3ds died)