The only exception I can think of was in the 2000s when he had The Hardy Boyz, The Dudley Boyz and Edge and Christian. All three of them were over as hell and made money hand over fist.
it's dumb because you can do much more with tag teams as Paul Heyman showed in 2002. you can have the one on one matches between a member of each team, you can do it with the other two, if i was booking a promotion for 52 weeks a year it would make sense to want tag teams that seems like easy matches to set up for weeks and weeks.
@@Benwah Kofi has never felt like the leader. He might be the "strongest" competitor, but Big E is the one that stands out almost always, and mostly because Xavier Woods is treated as a comedic afterthought, cuz he is equally charismatic. New Day is a weird stable lol
Vince loves to break up tag teams and also take two random guys and put them together as a team. Rock & Foley, Edge & Orton, Stone Cold & Triple H, Miz & Morrison, Kane & Taker, Jericho & Big Show, Kane & Daniel Bryan, Hulk Hogan & Edge... just to name a few. For every one example of the New Day, Vince has 15 other examples of breaking a successful tag team up & putting together 2 completely random guys and making them be a team.
I don't watch today's product anymore, but my understanding is there are no longer managers, if that's true I think it's a big part of the business missing, from the promos, to the heel manager pulling a leg, etc.
There’s still some managers involved but it’s few and far between. Usually nowadays you only see it when it’s some guy who’s got all the makings of being a top level guy but falls short on the mic. An example would be Heyman was with Brock for a lot of years because Brock was top level at everything besides his promo skills so he had Paul. But then you saw recently he split from Paul and actually was solid doing his own promos when they let him just be himself as a character. Another guy who’s had a manager over recent years has been Lashley who is another one who isn’t the greatest on the mic but checks every other box. But the decline of managers I actually understand. Unless someone really needs one to hit a high level tier I imagine it’s hard to justify the cost to pay a person to be on the road with someone regularly as their manager. Obviously they wouldn’t be making the money they the wrestler would be but it’s a decent chunk of added expense to pay somebody let’s say 2-300K maybe to have that role with a guy. And that cost isn’t gonna be seen as worth it unless the guy they’re with is a top tier guy drawing a lot of money. The company isn’t going to want to pay somebody a six figure check to be with somebody they may see as a mid tier guy I imagine unless they think that having that manager is likely to elevate them substantially to justify the cost. Even when you hear Corny talk about what he and the Midnights made back in the day Corny being with them meant the team cost a third more than it did without him. But Corny was so good and made the unit so much better he was worth that cost. Not sure the company sees things that way too often and hence why it seems to only be for guys who are already high level.
Never was much of a WWE(F) fan over the years but loved watching Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart as tag team whenever they wrestled. Just something about them always caught my attention and I had to watch. Of anyone in the NE, I thought Hart and Neidhart could bring their team gimmick south, especially into Crockett's and it would plug right in. Loved to have seen that. Hart Foundation as faces vs. Midnight Express as heels. WOW!
Thing I never get is when you have so much TV time to push stuff, wouldn't it be better to have a strong singles and tag team division? You add a strong Cruiser weight and Women's division, that is 4 separate divisions you can try draw interest for PPVs and House Shows
The Road Warriors on Dark Side of the Ring showed why Vince Vince dislikes tag teams. Two people he has to pay. He screwed over Tully & Arn as well as the Steiners over pay.
This is what I’ve always assumed was why Vince has never been big on teams. If a team is a top level team you have to pay two guys top level pay compared to one guy top level pay. But even so it doesn’t totally explain it because usually the formula is the main event gets a percentage of the house from the start. For example, I think they’ve said the main event would get like 20% (I don’t remember the percentage) of the pot to pay everybody. And if it was a tag team match that same money for that position of a match just split four ways v two ways. So even then it shouldn’t make a difference. But there’s also the cost to fly double the people to shows compared to one person I guess. But as much as I love Arn I have never totally felt his gripe with how Vince paid them was entirely reasonable. I understand the issue he and Tully took when they realized that they were on pace to make less than they had been when Vince had told them that they’d earn more with him. That part of things I think they were fair to have an issue with since he had told them they’d earn more and they hadn’t been. The aspect where I don’t think they were fully reasonable was expecting him to write them both a check immediately to catch them up on things. As Arn tells it Vince had asked them to let him catch them up and said he would but that they didn’t trust he’d do it and that when he wouldn’t write them each a $50K check to catch them up they turned in their notice. I get why they felt the way they did but to me it would’ve been more reasonable to have given him up until you had to provide the notice to show signs he was making it right. If let’s say you give him a month and it isn’t improving then absolutely given notice but doesn’t feel reasonable to have expected him to just write the checks. But he did fuck them in terms of Tully and how he paid Arn double until he was done to show he could. That part I’ll agree with. But I also did find it a tad silly that anybody took him at his word that they’d make more than they were. To me there’s a reason those contacts had zero guarantee to them - if he truly meant that when he was saying it he’d have been giving you a guarantee over what you’d make like the downsides that eventually came. The existence of him having you sign something with literally zero guarantee to it for me says it all of just how much stock should go into any promise of making more money being anything other than making your new signing excited to come on board. Shitty but realistic sadly.
Vince seems to think that tag teams are an effective way to get a singles star over because of Shawn and Bret to a lesser extent. It's why he's so eager to break teams up and why most of the wrestlers in those teams went nowhere.
@West Texas Rain I don't remember "Jerishow" but I think I had gotten tired of the world wrestling ederfation by 2007. That at least is SORT of a name, though indeed a stupid one.
I first became a wrestling fan in the 70's and I can recall the time when, as J.C. mentioned, the World Tag Team Championship was held in as high esteem as the singles World Title. Today you just see NO emphasis on tag teams at all.
Horizontal booking vs vertical. 4 names committed to 1 line of paper when you could get 2 lines out of them. WWF philosophy. Heard JR talking about it one day.
And a majority of his tag teams that actually got some shine were teams that came to him already packaged a la Brainbusters, Road Warriors, Rockers, Bulldogs, Steiners, Nasty Boys, Headshrinkers, Dudleys, Hardys, E&C. So he didn't have to put much effort into them and I'm sure that pleased him just fine
I definitely agree that a lot of attitude era stuff does not hold up well. At all. But the VKM and Stone Cold story line drove things. The DX/Nation stuff was solid while it lasted. Mankind/Cactus Jack was incredible until Mankind became sort of a parody of himself. There were some excellent feuds like Rock/Triple H that we saw go from lower card, mid card to main event that was fun to watch. Not all of it was terrible.
+Sneaker Addiction Attitude erakilled the business . Its calledhotshotting andit always kills business whenever they can't blow themselves up with bombs more than the once
I would think a good strategy would be to get every world title that covers a specialty over as a big deal. So aside from the world heavyweight title you also have the world tag team titles, world cruiserweight title, and world women's title all regarded as top tier main event stuff. Creatively this provides a lot of mileage because if you can use these other titles in the main event then you don't have to feature the world heavyweight champion on every big card. Every time you have a successful title defense the challenger has to job or you have to have some BS finish which ultimately makes the champ look weak because he couldn't beat the challenger. But every title match has to have one of those finishes or a title change. So if you can get away with having a title get defended 4 or 5 times a year instead of 10 or 12 then you don't have to burn through credible challengers as quickly or hot potato the title around or have your champ look like a dweeb that's relying on DQs, count outs and draws to hang on to his title.
The main event used to get the biggest bonuses for PPVs (probably different now with the network). If you have a singles match in the main event you only need to pay 2 bonuses. If you have a tag team match in your main event you need to give bonuses to 4 guys.
I hate when Vince puts two singles together and let them beat legit teams left and right. Also to some degree I think he has tried for years to duplicate the excitement when they Steiners broke up, but doesn't realize that the result was based to a large degree on how long they were together. He thinks he can get the same reaction with teams that have been together for six weeks.
tna always mocking wwe every week like the middle child nobody wanted is not how a wrestling promotion should be built. ....oh you didn't know? that material never got over.
Funny that one of the mainstream legacy of professional wrestling to pop and everyday culture is tag team. You know, the term "tag teaming" and shit? When some guys are in beef against another guys, they say "let's tag team" and such?
I guess that's for the kayfabe perception of "if you were not that good to came here on your own here and needed a partner then that'd mean you're less good than a singles".
ERIC ARCIERI the hart foundation, the rockers, midnight express, rock n roll express, the British bulldogs are tag teams. Can you tell the difference between what you claimed to be tag teams and what a claimed to be tag teams?
I think he dislikes teams because it’s more variables. Match can’t happen if 1 of 4 people don’t show up leaving 3 guys blowing in the breeze. Easier to account for two single matches or to substitute if needed
Tag teams are a big help when your making a show, If you have the tag team title as importent as the top single title you have a very different match people give a shit about to pace your show with. I don't understand how vince doesn't see this...
I think he looked at tag teams as something that he HAD to do---instead of what he WANTED to do, just to say that he had tag teams. Thus he lumped a bunch of wrestlers together who had no chemistry whatsoever and called them "tag teams" to put belts on: Anyone remember the "Rhythm and the Blues"---The Honky Tonk Man and Greg Valentine together? Or how about the "Colossal Collection"---Andre The Giant and King Kong Bundy? Or "Jeri-show"---Chris Jericho and Big Show? Yeah, those were all makeshift tag teams and a real bore!
More tag team matches would save the wear and tear on these guys' bodies. Japan isn't shy about their tag team matches and it saves the hype for the big show along with the wrestlers' body.
Yeah, but Vince is paying 2 guys instead of one; & a single guy can be a bigger star & draw more crowds & sell merch. & if one guy gets hurt, Vince loses his investment
The wwf/e had their best tag teams in the 80s British bulldogs killer bees rougheaus bros strike force young stallions US express demolition the islanders powers of pain the rockers money inc the legion of doom sheik volkoff the dream team I'm sure there is more but the eighties had awesome tag teams in the wwf
Is it a case of Vince doesn't think the old wrestling psychology still works in the modern era? Or is it that the "writers" can't be taught the psychology of wrestling? It doesn't seem that complicated to me. The argument that it was easier in the 80s when you were producing an hour of Superstars a week has some truth, squash jobber match, promo, squash jobber match, squash tag jobber match, vignette, squash jobber match, promo, squash jobber match with run-in, main event lower card wrestlers wrestle go off the air right at comeback spot to cut off spot. Build a heel to throw Hulk Hogan twice year at big show, set up intercontinental championship rivalry to steal the big show, boring match to bring the energy down at big show, tag match-high spot fest to bring it back up, slow match to bring it down go to the bathroom hit concessions lower energy for Hulks entrance slow match brings energy way down till "Hulk Up" spot energy goes through the roof Hogan wins. Post-match ritual is all about bringing fans to a frenzy. The show ends on highest note of a rollercoaster of ups and downs.
Drew McIntyre beat the OC on his own with little effort on Raw this year. Seriously, I get that they were pushing Drew as a credible badass, but this is way too much. WWE’s tag team division is basically a job squad at this point.
I always noticed that tag team wrestling took a back seat with Vince. He put some of the most "mis-matched" guys together for a tag team. Who can ever forget "Jeri-Show" (Chris Jericho and Big Show). Or when he put the WWF tag belts on the "Colossal Collection" (King Kong Bundy and Andre the Giant) or the worst was when the Headbangers--a couple of glorified indie scrubs--won the tag belts when things were at the worst for the WWF in the mid-90s! I just thought these were all dumb moves.
i always hated when they did that! two random guys as a tag team is usually bollocks. i agree with Jim in that the world tag team titles meant much more down south back then.
DNAsGhostzHouze During the time they were teaming regularly (2001-ish), they were not on top of the card. Otherwise, they'd only team for a few weeks every few months occasionally, or would feud.
I agree that you shouldn’t regularly have your top guy beat your tag team champions, with the exception of the rare skin of your teeth come from behind squeaker. That being said I disagree that the members of your champion tag team should individually be on equal par as your world or heavyweight champion (let just call it tier 1 individual champion) The way I see it your #1 guy is your champion, your #2 is either his challenger or your second tier individual champion , second tier champion is right behind the challenger for your top champion , your tag team champions should individually fall somewhere around your tier 2 champion or his challenger bringing up the rear of this is your challenger for the tag team champions and then followed by your special division or gimmick champions (cruiserweight, TV, regional, developmental , and specialty match champions (hardcore , king of the ring , whatever)
I like how he mentioned Bulldog and Owen as a tag team but didn’t mention the Outlaws, Dudleys, Hardys just to name a few that were really over and not just gimmick tag teams. Didn’t even mention Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas.
That’s 2 guys to pay, 2 guys who could potentially get hurt, 2 guys you hope keep away from the drugs and partying that come with the road life. You’d think no performer would want to be in a tag team. Especially the less popular one. Have your whole gig depending on someone else. Smart to separate them.
The title is a little misleading. It should be changed to "Bonus Drive Thru: Jim Cornette on Whether Vince McMahon Hates Tag Teams". That is, replace "Why" with "WETHER".
it sucks though; a tag team wrestling is possibly one of the best things about the WWE at the moment; as you have cesaro and sheamus; and the uso's, the new day don't really count because they are a stable. And when the new day were tag team champions for 443 days or what ever, a lot of the time that was because the wwe didn't know what the do with the titles and the titles were overlooked. I also believe that although new day have been great for the past couple of years that they need something fresh. as wwe are sucking these guys knobs; especially Xavier woods, who I hate' because if they are supposed to have great tag teams in wwe then why did the new day hold the wwe/raw tag titles for 443 days lose them and then only 7 months later win the smackdown tag team titles; give the asencion a run with the belts or a team who doesn't joke around and act like idiots. The New day are a prime example of what wrestling looked like in the middle of the pg era; hell one of the reasons that they are relevant is because of stupid breakfast cereal
What? Jim, you're incorrect about this one. Seth & Roman Seth & Dean Kevin Owens & Jericho Jericho & AJ Styles Wyatt & Orton Daniel Bryan & CM Punk Daniel Bryan & Kane Undertaker & Kane The Rock & Mankind There have been quite a few.
The Little Shaman Healing The Shield weren't top guys yet, & were only put back together to make Roman get cheered more & possibly turn Dean. Y2AJ lasted like 2 weeks. Owens & Jericho were never true top guys. Neither were Wyatt & Orton. Edge & Orton is an exception. Team Hell NO! were not top guys at the time, Brothers of Destruction were no longer on top when they teamed regularly (2001-ish). Rock 'N' Sock was an exception. Bryan & Punk were not a tag team.
Vince doesn't think tag teams draw money but thinks an absentee world champ for a yeah and a half is a ratings draw
no, because you have 2 guys you're paying, & if one guy gets hurt, you lost your investment
@Tim draws mental handicaps
The only exception I can think of was in the 2000s when he had The Hardy Boyz, The Dudley Boyz and Edge and Christian. All three of them were over as hell and made money hand over fist.
Except they were still the midcard. Always and forever. When did we ever see any if those matches main eventing ppvs?
Neroamee Alucard Also had the APA and Two Cool.
Yeah its weird hearing this take having come from that era and remembering the TLC matches being THE shit lol
@Sam707BFBC Edge got a much bigger push than Christian.
Joseph Scott Usually Rock, Austin, Angle, HHH, Taker, were in main events, hard to break into that
it's dumb because you can do much more with tag teams as Paul Heyman showed in 2002. you can have the one on one matches between a member of each team, you can do it with the other two, if i was booking a promotion for 52 weeks a year it would make sense to want tag teams that seems like easy matches to set up for weeks and weeks.
that's what NJPW does. Galores of tag teams and 4-by-4 matches that can include the world champion.
Nobody's gonna mention the fact that after a tag team wins the belts Vince breaks them up???
Lionel Gentry not for every team. If we’re talking now days then New Day is for an example.
New Day is a three-man stable with a leader (in booking) who's primarily a singles worker.
@@Benwah Kofi has never felt like the leader. He might be the "strongest" competitor, but Big E is the one that stands out almost always, and mostly because Xavier Woods is treated as a comedic afterthought, cuz he is equally charismatic. New Day is a weird stable lol
Vince loves to break up tag teams and also take two random guys and put them together as a team. Rock & Foley, Edge & Orton, Stone Cold & Triple H, Miz & Morrison, Kane & Taker, Jericho & Big Show, Kane & Daniel Bryan, Hulk Hogan & Edge... just to name a few. For every one example of the New Day, Vince has 15 other examples of breaking a successful tag team up & putting together 2 completely random guys and making them be a team.
Well, by his own logic, they became over enough to become individual stars. As much as I disagree with it it's hard to hate on that.
I don't watch today's product anymore, but my understanding is there are no longer managers, if that's true I think it's a big part of the business missing, from the promos, to the heel manager pulling a leg, etc.
Well said!
There’s still some managers involved but it’s few and far between. Usually nowadays you only see it when it’s some guy who’s got all the makings of being a top level guy but falls short on the mic. An example would be Heyman was with Brock for a lot of years because Brock was top level at everything besides his promo skills so he had Paul. But then you saw recently he split from Paul and actually was solid doing his own promos when they let him just be himself as a character.
Another guy who’s had a manager over recent years has been Lashley who is another one who isn’t the greatest on the mic but checks every other box. But the decline of managers I actually understand. Unless someone really needs one to hit a high level tier I imagine it’s hard to justify the cost to pay a person to be on the road with someone regularly as their manager. Obviously they wouldn’t be making the money they the wrestler would be but it’s a decent chunk of added expense to pay somebody let’s say 2-300K maybe to have that role with a guy. And that cost isn’t gonna be seen as worth it unless the guy they’re with is a top tier guy drawing a lot of money. The company isn’t going to want to pay somebody a six figure check to be with somebody they may see as a mid tier guy I imagine unless they think that having that manager is likely to elevate them substantially to justify the cost.
Even when you hear Corny talk about what he and the Midnights made back in the day Corny being with them meant the team cost a third more than it did without him. But Corny was so good and made the unit so much better he was worth that cost. Not sure the company sees things that way too often and hence why it seems to only be for guys who are already high level.
Gotta love the Rock and Sock Connection
This.
Came here for this
Never was much of a WWE(F) fan over the years but loved watching Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart as tag team whenever they wrestled. Just something about them always caught my attention and I had to watch. Of anyone in the NE, I thought Hart and Neidhart could bring their team gimmick south, especially into Crockett's and it would plug right in. Loved to have seen that. Hart Foundation as faces vs. Midnight Express as heels. WOW!
I liked how they put Ron Simmons and Bradshaw together to form the Acolytes
And I say stuff like that worked by "accident". They got over despite WWE creative. I don't believe they were ever intended to become favorites.
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Pendulum Panda Nobody. Not even someone like you, who likes their own comment.
Thing I never get is when you have so much TV time to push stuff, wouldn't it be better to have a strong singles and tag team division? You add a strong Cruiser weight and Women's division, that is 4 separate divisions you can try draw interest for PPVs and House Shows
WhatAboutThemApples remember when all titles were on tv and being pushed 😔
The Road Warriors on Dark Side of the Ring showed why Vince Vince dislikes tag teams. Two people he has to pay. He screwed over Tully & Arn as well as the Steiners over pay.
This is what I’ve always assumed was why Vince has never been big on teams. If a team is a top level team you have to pay two guys top level pay compared to one guy top level pay. But even so it doesn’t totally explain it because usually the formula is the main event gets a percentage of the house from the start. For example, I think they’ve said the main event would get like 20% (I don’t remember the percentage) of the pot to pay everybody. And if it was a tag team match that same money for that position of a match just split four ways v two ways.
So even then it shouldn’t make a difference. But there’s also the cost to fly double the people to shows compared to one person I guess. But as much as I love Arn I have never totally felt his gripe with how Vince paid them was entirely reasonable. I understand the issue he and Tully took when they realized that they were on pace to make less than they had been when Vince had told them that they’d earn more with him. That part of things I think they were fair to have an issue with since he had told them they’d earn more and they hadn’t been.
The aspect where I don’t think they were fully reasonable was expecting him to write them both a check immediately to catch them up on things. As Arn tells it Vince had asked them to let him catch them up and said he would but that they didn’t trust he’d do it and that when he wouldn’t write them each a $50K check to catch them up they turned in their notice. I get why they felt the way they did but to me it would’ve been more reasonable to have given him up until you had to provide the notice to show signs he was making it right. If let’s say you give him a month and it isn’t improving then absolutely given notice but doesn’t feel reasonable to have expected him to just write the checks. But he did fuck them in terms of Tully and how he paid Arn double until he was done to show he could. That part I’ll agree with.
But I also did find it a tad silly that anybody took him at his word that they’d make more than they were. To me there’s a reason those contacts had zero guarantee to them - if he truly meant that when he was saying it he’d have been giving you a guarantee over what you’d make like the downsides that eventually came. The existence of him having you sign something with literally zero guarantee to it for me says it all of just how much stock should go into any promise of making more money being anything other than making your new signing excited to come on board. Shitty but realistic sadly.
Vince seems to think that tag teams are an effective way to get a singles star over because of Shawn and Bret to a lesser extent. It's why he's so eager to break teams up and why most of the wrestlers in those teams went nowhere.
Once tag teams stopped having team names and were all "this guy & that guy" it was quite plain that they had no meaning.
@West Texas Rain I don't remember "Jerishow" but I think I had gotten tired of the world wrestling ederfation by 2007. That at least is SORT of a name, though indeed a stupid one.
I first became a wrestling fan in the 70's and I can recall the time when, as J.C. mentioned, the World Tag Team Championship was held in as high esteem as the singles World Title. Today you just see NO emphasis on tag teams at all.
That's mostly in WWE. In Japan, Mexico and even promotions like ROH the tag titles are a big deal
Horizontal booking vs vertical. 4 names committed to 1 line of paper when you could get 2 lines out of them. WWF philosophy. Heard JR talking about it one day.
Does anyone have a link? Would love to hear JRs take
what about the Mega Powers, The Hart Foundation, Demolition, etc
And a majority of his tag teams that actually got some shine were teams that came to him already packaged a la Brainbusters, Road Warriors, Rockers, Bulldogs, Steiners, Nasty Boys, Headshrinkers, Dudleys, Hardys, E&C. So he didn't have to put much effort into them and I'm sure that pleased him just fine
VKM dislikes wrestling. Period.
what year did wwe decide they needed to get rid of jim ross? that is the year wwe went down hill.
OLE SammyOLE lol what?
I definitely agree that a lot of attitude era stuff does not hold up well. At all. But the VKM and Stone Cold story line drove things. The DX/Nation stuff was solid while it lasted. Mankind/Cactus Jack was incredible until Mankind became sort of a parody of himself. There were some excellent feuds like Rock/Triple H that we saw go from lower card, mid card to main event that was fun to watch. Not all of it was terrible.
You are absolutely right but what hehates arewrestling fans
+Sneaker Addiction Attitude erakilled the business . Its calledhotshotting andit always kills business whenever they can't blow themselves up with bombs more than the once
I would think a good strategy would be to get every world title that covers a specialty over as a big deal. So aside from the world heavyweight title you also have the world tag team titles, world cruiserweight title, and world women's title all regarded as top tier main event stuff. Creatively this provides a lot of mileage because if you can use these other titles in the main event then you don't have to feature the world heavyweight champion on every big card. Every time you have a successful title defense the challenger has to job or you have to have some BS finish which ultimately makes the champ look weak because he couldn't beat the challenger. But every title match has to have one of those finishes or a title change. So if you can get away with having a title get defended 4 or 5 times a year instead of 10 or 12 then you don't have to burn through credible challengers as quickly or hot potato the title around or have your champ look like a dweeb that's relying on DQs, count outs and draws to hang on to his title.
The main event used to get the biggest bonuses for PPVs (probably different now with the network). If you have a singles match in the main event you only need to pay 2 bonuses. If you have a tag team match in your main event you need to give bonuses to 4 guys.
White Male Hell nearly every ppv main event is a damn 3 way or 4 way
It works on percentages. Say the 2 main eventers get paid 6% each, 4 main eventers in a tag match would get 3% each.
I hate when Vince puts two singles together and let them beat legit teams left and right. Also to some degree I think he has tried for years to duplicate the excitement when they Steiners broke up, but doesn't realize that the result was based to a large degree on how long they were together. He thinks he can get the same reaction with teams that have been together for six weeks.
VKM was a tag team.
reason number 2 why TNA was never taken seriously.
tna always mocking wwe every week like the middle child nobody wanted is not how a wrestling promotion should be built.
....oh you didn't know? that material never got over.
I always thought it was because it was a southern thing
Not really true, AWA had amazing teams also.
Let's just say tag teams are a Southern/Midwestern thing, Just not a "northeastern" thing.
Agreed.
Agreed
Agreed
Demolition , The Hart Foundation , Strike Force , The Natural Disasters , etc . The WWF has paired some awesome teams .
The New Age Outlaws
Ummmm The Free Birds
Angle & Benoit , Los Guerreros , Edge and Mysterio also Jericho and Benoit
Corny had a minor stroke @2:25.
Förehead Jönes hahaha
It sounded more like he was coming.
Lololol
Sounded like someone was about to take away his cheeseburger.
🤣 what ?!
The New Age Outlaws.
Not top guys. Billy and Dogg were both midcarders
... were pretty lame.
Best thing they bring was the introduction...
Poor Bart got FUCKED by the brawl for all. Another Russo masterpiece...
Is it because tag teams have solidarity when it comes to negotiation etc?
Funny that one of the mainstream legacy of professional wrestling to pop and everyday culture is tag team. You know, the term "tag teaming" and shit? When some guys are in beef against another guys, they say "let's tag team" and such?
I guess that's for the kayfabe perception of "if you were not that good to came here on your own here and needed a partner then that'd mean you're less good than a singles".
Has a tag team championship match ever main evented a WWF/E PPV? I can’t remember one
Tlc 2009.
Didn’t the 2 man power trip headline a PPV with the tag belts on the line?
Only tag team champs i really remember that were singles stars were DX or Rock n Sock connection.
The New Age Outlaws
They weren't tag team champs but The Mega Powers were a thing. Plus you have The Power Trip that consisted of Triple H and Austin.
@@robflores3759 tag team. Sucked as singles
Triple H and Stone Cold... Also I can't see The Usos splitting. Just my opinion.
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that! Cornette-Wendy's! rip-off! logo/sign/symbol! whatever! You want to call it! is-just! fuckin'! funny! as-hell !!... : )
what about Hogan savage or savage warrior or warrior Hogan just saying
ERIC ARCIERI the hart foundation, the rockers, midnight express, rock n roll express, the British bulldogs are tag teams. Can you tell the difference between what you claimed to be tag teams and what a claimed to be tag teams?
This is still true in 2019.
And in 2020!
I think he dislikes teams because it’s more variables. Match can’t happen if 1 of 4 people don’t show up leaving 3 guys blowing in the breeze. Easier to account for two single matches or to substitute if needed
I'm a huge fan of tag team wrestling
more often then not it seems the tag teams are the best thing on the card
Tag teams are a big help when your making a show, If you have the tag team title as importent as the top single title you have a very different match people give a shit about to pace your show with. I don't understand how vince doesn't see this...
They recently put ambrose and Rollins back together but I'm pretty sure that won't last long and is only to set up a turn for dean
Brian McHugh any relation to Jooooooooooe McHugh?
He did the top stars tag team two man power trip
That's sort of what made Jerishow special. VKM's lack of focus for so many years made Jerishow different automatically.
Lod demolition rockers fun to watch
What about rated rko
OMG! How did not even mention Owen and Davey Boy(which he managed) or the New Age Outlaws?
He did mention Owen and Davy Boy Smith! Did you not listen ?
What about Rock n Sock
There's been 6 mean yeah teams in the main event hasn't it?
I think he looked at tag teams as something that he HAD to do---instead of what he WANTED to do, just to say that he had tag teams. Thus he lumped a bunch of wrestlers together who had no chemistry whatsoever and called them "tag teams" to put belts on: Anyone remember the "Rhythm and the Blues"---The Honky Tonk Man and Greg Valentine together? Or how about the "Colossal Collection"---Andre The Giant and King Kong Bundy? Or "Jeri-show"---Chris Jericho and Big Show? Yeah, those were all makeshift tag teams and a real bore!
where the hell is the respect for Legion of Doom?
More tag team matches would save the wear and tear on these guys' bodies. Japan isn't shy about their tag team matches and it saves the hype for the big show along with the wrestlers' body.
Yeah, but Vince is paying 2 guys instead of one; & a single guy can be a bigger star & draw more crowds & sell merch. & if one guy gets hurt, Vince loses his investment
The APA with stone cold would have been money
Tag titles where the shit till 2000
The wwf/e had their best tag teams in the 80s British bulldogs killer bees rougheaus bros strike force young stallions US express demolition the islanders powers of pain the rockers money inc the legion of doom sheik volkoff the dream team I'm sure there is more but the eighties had awesome tag teams in the wwf
I love tag team wrestling but a tag team match Should Never main event over a World Championship match...
Explains why he keeps putting the tag titles on individuals (for story purposes) instead of genuine tag teams (to advance the belts and tag division)
Is it a case of Vince doesn't think the old wrestling psychology still works in the modern era? Or is it that the "writers" can't be taught the psychology of wrestling? It doesn't seem that complicated to me. The argument that it was easier in the 80s when you were producing an hour of Superstars a week has some truth, squash jobber match, promo, squash jobber match, squash tag jobber match, vignette, squash jobber match, promo, squash jobber match with run-in, main event lower card wrestlers wrestle go off the air right at comeback spot to cut off spot. Build a heel to throw Hulk Hogan twice year at big show, set up intercontinental championship rivalry to steal the big show, boring match to bring the energy down at big show, tag match-high spot fest to bring it back up, slow match to bring it down go to the bathroom hit concessions lower energy for Hulks entrance slow match brings energy way down till "Hulk Up" spot energy goes through the roof Hogan wins. Post-match ritual is all about bringing fans to a frenzy. The show ends on highest note of a rollercoaster of ups and downs.
Drew McIntyre beat the OC on his own with little effort on Raw this year. Seriously, I get that they were pushing Drew as a credible badass, but this is way too much. WWE’s tag team division is basically a job squad at this point.
Fuck....Vince managed to get, and then fuck up having, the Road Warriors for gods sake
I always noticed that tag team wrestling took a back seat with Vince. He put some of the most "mis-matched" guys together for a tag team. Who can ever forget "Jeri-Show" (Chris Jericho and Big Show). Or when he put the WWF tag belts on the "Colossal Collection" (King Kong Bundy and Andre the Giant) or the worst was when the Headbangers--a couple of glorified indie scrubs--won the tag belts when things were at the worst for the WWF in the mid-90s! I just thought these were all dumb moves.
Jas Blench miz and big show. Kane and xpac.
when did bundy tag with andre? wsnt colossal connection andre and haku?
i always hated when they did that! two random guys as a tag team is usually bollocks. i agree with Jim in that the world tag team titles meant much more down south back then.
@@alostlonewolf He's wrong. It was Haku and Andre. Bundy never won a title in the WWF/E.
I’m not interested in tag team matches unless if they are ladder, steel cage, pinfalls count anywhere, Hardy or Dudley related
Tag team matches are boring.
The Shield was pretty awesome.
Nope.
Yes but they weren't established guys in wwe yet when they won those titles.
Talk about the Hardy’s !
"he doesn't have tag team wrestling in main events"
Teddy Long wants a word with you, playa
Teddy Long will use the main event for a "One on One with the Undertaka"!!!
tag teams are below mid carders. Made no sense when 2 scrubs competed with main eventers
1:45 WWWWWWWWWWWF
Who also came her because of Wendy's?
The bar
Austin and Triple H???
The Corn knows
Seamus and cesaro are so over
Too close to collective bargaining .
I guess we will never see a three-man tag team championship
What I can't figure out is why Vince doesn't push tag teams because it's been told many times that he was a huge fan of the Graham Brothers
Bring back the Ding Dongs, greatest WCW tag team ever
Bill and Randy Mulkey say fuck your Ding Dongs. :)
So the Brothers of Destruction wasn't a tag team made up of two top guys Jim?...
DNAsGhostzHouze During the time they were teaming regularly (2001-ish), they were not on top of the card. Otherwise, they'd only team for a few weeks every few months occasionally, or would feud.
DNAsGhostzHouze BoD isnt gettin a tv time back then
Two brands makes more money then one brand. That's my first thought and it seems simple and logical
WWEkis y'all
but they dont. wwe has lost money and popularity since the split
I agree that you shouldn’t regularly have your top guy beat your tag team champions, with the exception of the rare skin of your teeth come from behind squeaker.
That being said I disagree that the members of your champion tag team should individually be on equal par as your world or heavyweight champion (let just call it tier 1 individual champion)
The way I see it your #1 guy is your champion, your #2 is either his challenger or your second tier individual champion , second tier champion is right behind the challenger for your top champion , your tag team champions should individually fall somewhere around your tier 2 champion or his challenger bringing up the rear of this is your challenger for the tag team champions and then followed by your special division or gimmick champions (cruiserweight, TV, regional, developmental , and specialty match champions (hardcore , king of the ring , whatever)
I like how he mentioned Bulldog and Owen as a tag team but didn’t mention the Outlaws, Dudleys, Hardys just to name a few that were really over and not just gimmick tag teams. Didn’t even mention Shelton Benjamin and Charlie Haas.
Tag team iz superior...
lmaoo daniel bryan and roman reigns
Still no female tag-team belts.
they are coming! :-)
Triple h Stone cold, rock n sock
Rock & Sock Connection
Brothers of Destruction
He runs the most successful wrestling company in history, yet everyone in the comments is criticising his business model.
That’s 2 guys to pay, 2 guys who could potentially get hurt, 2 guys you hope keep away from the drugs and partying that come with the road life. You’d think no performer would want to be in a tag team. Especially the less popular one. Have your whole gig depending on someone else. Smart to separate them.
He never put 2 main event guys together as a tag team. Mega powers anyone ?
The title is a little misleading. It should be changed to "Bonus Drive Thru: Jim Cornette on Whether Vince McMahon Hates Tag Teams". That is, replace "Why" with "WETHER".
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it sucks though; a tag team wrestling is possibly one of the best things about the WWE at the moment; as you have cesaro and sheamus; and the uso's, the new day don't really count because they are a stable. And when the new day were tag team champions for 443 days or what ever, a lot of the time that was because the wwe didn't know what the do with the titles and the titles were overlooked. I also believe that although new day have been great for the past couple of years that they need something fresh. as wwe are sucking these guys knobs; especially Xavier woods, who I hate' because if they are supposed to have great tag teams in wwe then why did the new day hold the wwe/raw tag titles for 443 days lose them and then only 7 months later win the smackdown tag team titles; give the asencion a run with the belts or a team who doesn't joke around and act like idiots. The New day are a prime example of what wrestling looked like in the middle of the pg era; hell one of the reasons that they are relevant is because of stupid breakfast cereal
Jack watts new day is over either as heels or faces. The fact that they sell a cereal is just further proof of how over they are
MrGhostVI agreed
What? Jim, you're incorrect about this one.
Seth & Roman
Seth & Dean
Kevin Owens & Jericho
Jericho & AJ Styles
Wyatt & Orton
Daniel Bryan & CM Punk
Daniel Bryan & Kane
Undertaker & Kane
The Rock & Mankind
There have been quite a few.
Edge and Orton
The Little Shaman Healing The Shield weren't top guys yet, & were only put back together to make Roman get cheered more & possibly turn Dean. Y2AJ lasted like 2 weeks. Owens & Jericho were never true top guys. Neither were Wyatt & Orton. Edge & Orton is an exception. Team Hell NO! were not top guys at the time, Brothers of Destruction were no longer on top when they teamed regularly (2001-ish). Rock 'N' Sock was an exception. Bryan & Punk were not a tag team.
They aren’t proper tag teams they’re just random singles put together, because creative can’t think of anything else
Two Man power trip. HHH and SCSA
All of those except Rocknsock where in a booking vacuum at the time they got put into tag teams