I really love Grand Summoners for largely avoiding that.... For _unpaid_ content anyway. So much first year gear like the Axis coat is still viable, only outdone by collaboration power creep. But _original items?_ They did a good job of making support and status ailments gear last, and even buffed many twice to keep up with paid content creep. The best free gear actually outperforms a lot of paid gear in the appropriate maxed builds. Paid gear *does not* guarantee you top pvp. It's quite nice that way. The real downside is that there's been so much *TRASH* released since year one it's better to grind the rare guaranteed tokens than try rolling for it. One of those games where early spreadsheet investment for plotting your course *is a must!* They also have special "five star only" Gacha twice a year, making it much simpler to build a good stable. As far as collabs go, it's sometimes a little annoying due to horrendous imbalance. Black Rock Shooter was probably the worst, near end game units for no effort. Fortunately not a recurring collab like KLK, Shield Hero, or Slime, with fairer and funner units.
@@shealim8720 Funny nuff, he was power crept ... _by even older units!_ They are starting to roll out "Six Star units".... Like (War God) Fen and (Dark) Riviera! At least until he gets his own six star form
This was the moment I knew, this show was gona be different. When an anime actually takes the time to properly explain and showcase its magic system, rather than just throwing random new op bullshit at the heroes every few arcs, you know you've hit a winner. They had a magical arms race revolving around an instant-hit kill spell and a defensive barrier that could stop it, directly mirroring real life weapons development and it completely makes sense. Further episodes only help push this even further, with the major weaknesses of the shield spell being its high mana cost and its inability to properly defend against physical strikes, so now most mages prefer to use other materials around them as weapons, like rocks, water and transmuted plant matter, and the whole meta shifts again. You still gota know the shield spell, because everyone knows Zoltrak, and if you can't defend against it you're dead, but now it's also about utilizing as little mana as you can for the biggest physical attacks possible. Efficiency becomes key in any war of attrition between mages, as well as finding creative ways around your opponents defense. It's such a simple, straightforward and logical system, without all the random crazyness you get with a lot of magic systems. You can understand everyones strengths and weaknesses, see the flaws in their combat styles and still have enough uniqueness to make fights interesting. I just love how this show portrays all of this.
Which is why it's so entertaining to follow Frieren, because she takes all that logic and throws it out of her nearest conjured black hole spell anytime she wants.
Also because mages now use physical attacks with elements this means they cant deal with dungeons as effectively anymore as the confined space and lack of materials for attacks isn't available in a dungeon, which is why Fern and Freiren were so effective in the dungeon arc later on and people refer to Fern fighting like an old mage, with those old mages being alive during the demon king clearing dungeons and had optimised their magic for dungeons. The magic in Freiren works so well it really is amazing.
Something I notice few comment on is that Qual was able to analyze, understand, and develop a counter for their "ordinary defensive magic" after seeing it used against him ONCE. He is devilishly intelligent - pun intended. If Frieren hadnt killed him there, not only would Fern have been overwhelmed, he probably would have developed Zoltrak 2.0 and begjn decimating humanity again.
And Frieren still predicted Qual adapting instantly and trained Fern to defend against the volley. This all played out exactly how she wanted, and likely had a few tricks if her big attack didn’t work.
@@Longs_ It's somewhat implied that Qual was inventive and came up with the volley before being sealed. He was rehashing here because he thought he had more time to figure out a strategy.
To be honest I don't Frieren would have given him the time to come up with Zolttrack 2.0. She and Himmel were keeping a close watch on his sealing situation.
I kinda liked how (not shown in this clip) he went "oh you are flying" And later in the series Frieren explains flight is relativity new to humanity, 40 years I think So Qaul had actually mever seen anything other than demons and beasts fly, which was a nice toutch
I didn't notice that! They expanded on that by making him look for Frieren at ground level for a while; he (reasonably so) expected her to be on the ground since humans/elves couldn't fly in his time.
@@jasongrace382 Fun fact, that line was not originally in the manga. My guess is that the anime production team wanted it to be added early on for future plot point (or probably the author himself wanted it to be added, considering that the author was heavily involved with the anime production)
@@jasongrace382Even the hidden room from the Empire era in the dungeon in episode 24 was not originally in the manga. . . . . . . . My guess is that the author wanted to add a chekov gun to be used in the future. Coincidentally, the manga is currently set in place in the remnants of the Empire.
Everyone always treats this moment like Qual should be angry that the spell he developed is now refered to as "basic attack magic" but I personally would argue the opposite. Imagine you develop a spell so devastating and effective you have to be sealed because no one can fight you and win. Then you're unsealed an realise that in a (relatively small time for a demon) your spell has basically become the defacto "attack spell" that's taught to anyone and everyone learning magic. Everyone knows your magic and it's so baseline it's practically what every newer spell has to beat or at the very least match up to to be considered good. Magical combat itself now revolves around either using or defending against your spell. I'd like to think he felt something like vast amounts of pride or whatever the demon equivialnt would be in his final moments.
This guy is a magic genius. His magic only has one basic principle 'shoot and destroy the target'. That's why as you said, every mage learns this spell because it is so fricking simple yet so powerful. Give him 5 mins and he would've have altered that spell to make the shields useless. He also begun analyzing the shield spell just mere seconds after waking up form petrification. Give him the same knowledge as any normal mage in that Era and he would dominate within a year. Now that's what you call a terrifying minor antagonist.
@@junesmind7325 in a way he proved flamme's argument to stay obscure and hidden. qual was so notorious that humanity strove for 80 years to counter just him.
i would like to point out that the hero's party beat everyone INCLUDING the demon lord, but were only able to fight qual to a draw because he was such a genius.
The new offensive meta to magic centers around how overtuned defensive magic is to zoltraak and how comparatively weak it is to magically assisted physical attacks. Qual definitely redefined what magical combat looks like and set up a new pillar to plan around, but he's still just one part of the entire ecosystem.
When he said 'My Spell' when Freiren's Zoltraak hit him. It's a foreshadowing of how it's different, because Qual would most likely have resistance or immunity to his own spell. This is revealed during Fern's fight with Aura's subordinate. It's been modified to kill demons.
The spell is different but still called zoltraak, I do think it is done so it can deceive any oblivious demon like it did with Qual, a strategy which I am sure Frieren took part in creating
You're right. It's also a good detail when the clone Frieren fights the team. She uses the original Zoltraak. (the black version) meant to kill humans.
When you played on release, max leveled and dropped for couple of years just to return for new expansion. Only to realise you've missed like 2-3 more and everyone around is quite a few digits above you.
Qual was OP, took 80 years to counter his spell and in mere moments he figured out a way to adapt. He’s got the power of a demon and the ability to adapt like a human, give him a year and he would just completely get around defensive magic then they would have to seal him for 80 years again
Lol, they almost should have^^ Imagine just unfreezing this guy once a century, get him to evolve on the spot and then research his genious again for a long time.
I think arcane does mean powerful because it's been lost to time. Here, the spell is just old since everyone has studied it. If it never saw the light of day, this spell might have been overwhelming
Um. You would be wrong about that. Partially at least. There are spells from the mythic era (millenia before even Frieren was born) and those spells, some of which Frieren has, eclipse what modern mages can do. In general the mythic era is the era of high magic.
@@saiyansakai8737 Yes it is. Kinda. Though not a combat spell, the "Spotless clothing magic" Fern gets from Serie is one such spell as stated by Frieren. Now I don´t know specifically which spells Frieren herself has that date back to the mythic era but do keep in mind she was studying under a Student of Serie who has been around since that time. There are also modern spells that did not exist previously, flight has been a recent achievement of human mages and there is the obvious Zoltraak. Now we don´t know how old the spells that Frieren uses in her mirror matchup are. But they don´t seem to be known widely. It might be only Serie and Frieren know most of those. I would speculate that at least some of those are mythic era spells. To further my point, the very dungeon they raid was built by magic during the mythic era. And as we can see it packed quite the punch.
@@sircastic959being able to mimic multiple mages including the 2nd strongest known to humanity, perfectly copies all of their stats BUT the ability to speak, is truly terrifying.
this episode single handedly made this my absolute favorite fantasy show of all time. It might not be grand or unique but its subtle and most importantly realistic worldbuilding puts it on a completely different level.
I remember how I was 5k mmr in dota and this was considered pretty high rating, then abandoned it for like 6 years. Then I logged into it, still thinking 5k is high. Top players had like 10k. I felt fooled This guy probably too
I think Frieren might just be explaining things for Fern's benefit here, but it would make a lot of sense for Frieren to respect Qual more than any other demon we've seen her interact with. He's a more upright demon compared to the likes of Macht or Solitar, or most of the low-ranking demons we see in the show, and it seems the thing that Frieren hates the most about demons is that their dishonesty makes it pointless and tedious to try and communicate with them. Qual doesn't look like he plays petty tricks, and the way that he immediately tries a barrage of spells to overwhelm her defense (the same move that Frieren taught Fern to use) shows that he's really someone with the fundamentals of a first-class mage. Frieren loves the study of magic, so it's probably hard to hate the guy who basically discovered lightning bolt. Hopefully we'll get to see more of him in his prime, there's not nearly enough of the great demon mages in the story so far.
yes, she was actually quite respectful toward Qual despite being unable to resist killing him with his own spell (though it was probably also just the most efficient way to kill him). Qual was a real one. He simply threw down. No games or tricks. No braindead stupid arrogance. He was smart, he was tough, and he was direct. Hard to actually hate people like that, even enemies.
He only appeared for a few minutes of an EP and can already be placed among the interesting characters, with a very cool charisma and villainous presence in the anime.
She changed it a bit to specifically kill demons, but she wanted to use it as a flex because she knows far stronger spells that use less mana since magic has advanced and it's been so long.
0:24 There's an extra layer here I feel like. Fern saying that Zoltraak is way too powerful from the description and Frieren responding with "...Yes" takes on a new meaning when we find out Zoltraak is now "ordinary offensive magic." Because the very nature of Zoltraak is so absurdly powerful on the face of it that even a relatively untrained person would describe it as such. But in a relatively short period of time, humans managed to analyze and break it down to such a degree that now EVERY combat oriented mage on the continent is probably capable of using it. From the elven perspective, this is part of what makes humans so terrifying from elven and demon perspectives. Because humans can look at what is essentially a high level disintegration ray and go "Oh yeah, we'll all be able to learn how to do that in like a month, tops" (from the elven and demon perspective)
This might also be why Frieren avoids casting anything other than "basic magic" in fights with humans. There's nothing to learn from Frieren when she fights like that, and if she needs to, she has a bunch of other attack spells to fall back on.
@@zirconia1205 Demonkind would also work over the spell in that time. A spellcaster wouldn’t necessarily start with immunity to one’s spell. As demonstrated in the video. Zoltraak was studied to create defense against, nowhere was it said that it was improved itself.
@sapphyrus lughner said the spell fern casted was different and can be considered a demon killing spell, is that not an improved spell? Or he is just surprised someone figured out how to cast zoltrakk
What Frieren did not mention is that she was an important part in the analysis of the Zoltraak spell (as mentioned by Lügner). Her abilities as an analyst set her apart from other mages.
The fact that Qual can use that spell like crazy fast and efficient terrified me. If u see it now, it just basic spam. But holy fck imagine Himmel party backthen. U can't guard and need to avoid all that. No wonder no one beat him in that era.
As a software engineer, this to me reflects the evolution of cryptography and cipher cracking in recent years. Hacking, more or less. Like in this scene, Penetration versus Defense. Same old story. How a powerful mainframe built in the 70s could easily brute force and steamroll the most solid encryption sets, yet, in just a few decades, couldn't even _begin_ to touch our current and extremely common AES-256 standard symmetric block ciphers. And much the same, the phone you're currently using has the power to easily crush most old symmetric standards like DES-56, which was engineered in the 1970s. This ace hacker demon went from driving a custom 1979 Ford Mustang to pushing a Oldsmobile SUV. *_Science moves onward, and it's beautiful._*
Also note- Qual here wasn't an idiot. He immediately figured out the defense's weakness and tried to exploit it (defensive magic takes a lot more mana than offensive). His ability to problem solve is nothing short of genius, too bad he got killed by his own spell.
And it was at this point we all realized this series was going to be built different. It's one thing to explain what a spell is, it's another thing to give a full blown history lesson and have it be completely diegetic.
It's like having a maxim gun in ww1 against a melee enemy, then suddenly after 80 years u came back for a while founding out that those enemies are now using modern machine guns.
You know, if it weren't for the fact that demons are sociopathic, arrogant, egotistical monsters, I might actually feel bad for them going against Frieren.
It's just like with us humans. We racial profile people based on the stereotypical things society and the internet feed into our image of that person, even though they may be very different. Qual was probably still even, but he was smart and adaptive: most demons specialize in one magic while he invented a new, devastating offensive spell and learn the counter defensive spell invented much later in mere seconds. Hard work can beat talent, but when a talent works hard, damn it's terrifying.
Imagine being Qual in this scenario. After spending your entire life grinding and logging off for the night, you log back in and all your friends are hundreds of levels above you.
I like the "old mmo that's been out for decades" vibe of this scene. It's like a veteran player remembering an incredibly plot relevant optional thing from one of the older expansions that they forgot to do then decided to take their newbie friend there to show them how far the game and the systems have come.
It is my own headcannon that Qual refused to block that with the defensive spell (which he has shown to be able to replicate) because of his own demonic pride (which we learn about later).
Frieren really is NEXT level petty when it comes to demons. Not only did she unseal one of the greatest demon mages in the last century to tell him that his king was dead and his signature spell was now obsolete, she even went so far as to have a human child block the full force of said spell from his own hands with only the most basic defense spell while SHE offed him with a modified version of his own spell!
I always thought that Frieren made this Fern's first proper fight on purpose. By facing someone as strong and terrifying as Qual, Fern will not be as easily intimidated or distracted in future fights. It also shows the nature of demons, they act on impulse and without empathy even when they have a plan. Qual did not care for the death of his Queen, but decided that was reason enough to fight Frieren
It's like logging onto a game you've been away from for a while, and discovering all your legendary gear has been nerfed to Lv 2
More like your legendary is worthless after they released Legendary+++ gear. Just like in any Gacha game really
I really love Grand Summoners for largely avoiding that.... For _unpaid_ content anyway. So much first year gear like the Axis coat is still viable, only outdone by collaboration power creep. But _original items?_ They did a good job of making support and status ailments gear last, and even buffed many twice to keep up with paid content creep. The best free gear actually outperforms a lot of paid gear in the appropriate maxed builds.
Paid gear *does not* guarantee you top pvp. It's quite nice that way.
The real downside is that there's been so much *TRASH* released since year one it's better to grind the rare guaranteed tokens than try rolling for it.
One of those games where early spreadsheet investment for plotting your course *is a must!*
They also have special "five star only" Gacha twice a year, making it much simpler to build a good stable.
As far as collabs go, it's sometimes a little annoying due to horrendous imbalance. Black Rock Shooter was probably the worst, near end game units for no effort. Fortunately not a recurring collab like KLK, Shield Hero, or Slime, with fairer and funner units.
@@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrerbrings back memories, it's been a while since I heard of that game I still remember vox is the strongest unit in the game
@@shealim8720 Funny nuff, he was power crept ... _by even older units!_ They are starting to roll out "Six Star units".... Like (War God) Fen and (Dark) Riviera!
At least until he gets his own six star form
New expansion... all the gear is trash now :D
This was the moment I knew, this show was gona be different. When an anime actually takes the time to properly explain and showcase its magic system, rather than just throwing random new op bullshit at the heroes every few arcs, you know you've hit a winner. They had a magical arms race revolving around an instant-hit kill spell and a defensive barrier that could stop it, directly mirroring real life weapons development and it completely makes sense.
Further episodes only help push this even further, with the major weaknesses of the shield spell being its high mana cost and its inability to properly defend against physical strikes, so now most mages prefer to use other materials around them as weapons, like rocks, water and transmuted plant matter, and the whole meta shifts again. You still gota know the shield spell, because everyone knows Zoltrak, and if you can't defend against it you're dead, but now it's also about utilizing as little mana as you can for the biggest physical attacks possible. Efficiency becomes key in any war of attrition between mages, as well as finding creative ways around your opponents defense.
It's such a simple, straightforward and logical system, without all the random crazyness you get with a lot of magic systems. You can understand everyones strengths and weaknesses, see the flaws in their combat styles and still have enough uniqueness to make fights interesting. I just love how this show portrays all of this.
Nailed it! The presentation is very enjoyable. The viewer gets to follow the development of magic through the characters' realizations.
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And the craziness is still there if you want to experience magi throwing black holes, lightning blasts, and more! It’s got something for everyone.
Which is why it's so entertaining to follow Frieren, because she takes all that logic and throws it out of her nearest conjured black hole spell anytime she wants.
Also because mages now use physical attacks with elements this means they cant deal with dungeons as effectively anymore as the confined space and lack of materials for attacks isn't available in a dungeon, which is why Fern and Freiren were so effective in the dungeon arc later on and people refer to Fern fighting like an old mage, with those old mages being alive during the demon king clearing dungeons and had optimised their magic for dungeons. The magic in Freiren works so well it really is amazing.
魔王を殺したって聞いても動じない＆自分の技が一般攻撃魔法と言われても動揺しないどころか防御魔法の弱点にすぐ気づく＆そもそも封印された位置から全く動いていない
この戦いのシーン数分だけでもえげつなさが分かるクヴァールさんまじぱねぇっす
Makes you wonder the level of magic he might've developed had he not been killed immediately.
A terrifying demon with crazy potential.
@@marinescu0511If they didn’t sealed him that time so they can analyze his magic he would be a huge threat fr
魔族だから死んだやつはたとえ魔王だろうがもうどうでもいいんだね。
@@米田正裕仇討ちと言ったのは、少し普通のやつと違うかも
Something I notice few comment on is that Qual was able to analyze, understand, and develop a counter for their "ordinary defensive magic" after seeing it used against him ONCE. He is devilishly intelligent - pun intended.
If Frieren hadnt killed him there, not only would Fern have been overwhelmed, he probably would have developed Zoltrak 2.0 and begjn decimating humanity again.
And Frieren still predicted Qual adapting instantly and trained Fern to defend against the volley. This all played out exactly how she wanted, and likely had a few tricks if her big attack didn’t work.
@@Longs_ It's somewhat implied that Qual was inventive and came up with the volley before being sealed. He was rehashing here because he thought he had more time to figure out a strategy.
To be honest I don't Frieren would have given him the time to come up with Zolttrack 2.0. She and Himmel were keeping a close watch on his sealing situation.
Qual was basically a genius of geniuses in his time, give him like a reincarnation plot and he would decimate the world within a few years
I kinda wished they had tried to keep him alive to devalue new stuff. Talent for discovering or inventing new things like that should be kept.
クヴァールさんここで倒さなかったらたぶんゾルトラーク2とか生み出すタイプ。
フリーレンが時間通りに来たというだけでヤバさがわかる
それでヤバさ判定するの草すぎますw
防御魔法を貫く魔法
追尾する人を56す魔法 とかうみだして同時使用の飽和攻撃とかし始めそう
まぁそもそもあの化け物パーティが倒すのを諦めるぐらいだったから相当強かったんだと思ったけどね
@@はははてなはいはい、草ね
he would make 2 new competing systems to keep everyone busy while he worked on something extravagant by _his_ standards
He's strong. Let's pause him for sec and go level up for 80 years. Lol
Only first time to see defensive magic, but he can use and know its weakness immediately. So genius.
and still he was an absolute menace picking apart their countermeasures in minutes
@@kingmasterlordseconds
I kinda liked how (not shown in this clip) he went "oh you are flying"
And later in the series Frieren explains flight is relativity new to humanity, 40 years I think
So Qaul had actually mever seen anything other than demons and beasts fly, which was a nice toutch
I didn't notice that! They expanded on that by making him look for Frieren at ground level for a while; he (reasonably so) expected her to be on the ground since humans/elves couldn't fly in his time.
@@jasongrace382 Fun fact, that line was not originally in the manga. My guess is that the anime production team wanted it to be added early on for future plot point (or probably the author himself wanted it to be added, considering that the author was heavily involved with the anime production)
@@jasongrace382Even the hidden room from the Empire era in the dungeon in episode 24 was not originally in the manga.
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My guess is that the author wanted to add a chekov gun to be used in the future. Coincidentally, the manga is currently set in place in the remnants of the Empire.
1分で80年追いついてフェルン以上の戦闘能力得てるの怖い。
驚異的な殺人ウィルスを人類があっという間に解析して、何なら他の病原体に対するワクチンの原料にまでしちゃったってレベルの話
死ぬ時フワッフワになるクヴァールかわいくてすき
防御魔法の弱点瞬時に見破って当時は1発でも強すぎたゾルトラーク連打してくんのやばすぎw
Everyone always treats this moment like Qual should be angry that the spell he developed is now refered to as "basic attack magic" but I personally would argue the opposite.
Imagine you develop a spell so devastating and effective you have to be sealed because no one can fight you and win. Then you're unsealed an realise that in a (relatively small time for a demon) your spell has basically become the defacto "attack spell" that's taught to anyone and everyone learning magic. Everyone knows your magic and it's so baseline it's practically what every newer spell has to beat or at the very least match up to to be considered good. Magical combat itself now revolves around either using or defending against your spell.
I'd like to think he felt something like vast amounts of pride or whatever the demon equivialnt would be in his final moments.
This guy is a magic genius. His magic only has one basic principle 'shoot and destroy the target'. That's why as you said, every mage learns this spell because it is so fricking simple yet so powerful. Give him 5 mins and he would've have altered that spell to make the shields useless. He also begun analyzing the shield spell just mere seconds after waking up form petrification. Give him the same knowledge as any normal mage in that Era and he would dominate within a year.
Now that's what you call a terrifying minor antagonist.
@@junesmind7325 in a way he proved flamme's argument to stay obscure and hidden. qual was so notorious that humanity strove for 80 years to counter just him.
Great perspective.
i would like to point out that the hero's party beat everyone INCLUDING the demon lord, but were only able to fight qual to a draw because he was such a genius.
The new offensive meta to magic centers around how overtuned defensive magic is to zoltraak and how comparatively weak it is to magically assisted physical attacks. Qual definitely redefined what magical combat looks like and set up a new pillar to plan around, but he's still just one part of the entire ecosystem.
これ人類が飛べるようになったのって30年前からだからジェネレーションギャップで油断してたんだろうな
これ分かってたら仕留めきれてない可能性あるんよなぁ
クヴァールって人間が空飛べるの知らなかっまからこんなにあっさり負けたんか。一気に腑に落ちたわ。ありがとう
When he said 'My Spell' when Freiren's Zoltraak hit him. It's a foreshadowing of how it's different, because Qual would most likely have resistance or immunity to his own spell. This is revealed during Fern's fight with Aura's subordinate. It's been modified to kill demons.
The spell is different but still called zoltraak, I do think it is done so it can deceive any oblivious demon like it did with Qual, a strategy which I am sure Frieren took part in creating
You're right. It's also a good detail when the clone Frieren fights the team. She uses the original Zoltraak. (the black version) meant to kill humans.
1:22 この脳筋ゴリ押し戦法がしっかりフェルンに受け継がれてクヴァールさんもニッコリ
防御術式に対しては飽和攻撃が最も有効なことをこの戦闘で学んでたのかもしれないよね
もう一人の師匠だ
そのうちにスタッフに頼らなくてもゾルトラークを行えるようになりそう（笑）
80年経っても攻撃魔法として使われてる魔法ってのが凄いわ
Frieren: Beyond Journey's End was one of the best at story building/telling. Honestly a top 5 anime for me, 100% going to rewatch it at some point
When you played on release, max leveled and dropped for couple of years just to return for new expansion. Only to realise you've missed like 2-3 more and everyone around is quite a few digits above you.
Average Destiny Experience especially when Sunsetting was still a thing.
序盤で倒されながら、株が全く下がらないのってこいつだけじゃね？！凄いよね！
このシーン何回見てもクヴァールの戦い方に品が溢れてて感動する
指揮者みたいな
オーケストラの指揮者のようにゾルトラークを撃つクヴァールさん、とても優雅でカッコいいです。
そのうちにフェルンも指揮者のような感じでゾルトラークの緩和攻撃を行えるようになるんかね？
フェルン、技術的にはできそう
（でも品性は必要じゃないのでやらない）
This short fight alone deserves it's own award in storytelling.
Kudos, Tsukasa Abe.
クヴァールさんが封印される前の時代に人間は空を飛べなかったからフリーレンを見つけるまで時間かかったの細かい
一瞬で勝負をつけてあっさり倒せてるけど、クヴァールの分析能力と対応力は異常だから長期戦に持ち込んだらどんどん不利になるハズ。
魔族は力で押さえつけないとまとまらない個人主義者ばっかのなのにすぐ敵討ちってなるあたり本当異質よな
回を重ねる毎に見所が増えていく。
面白いです。
即防御魔法の性質を見破って対策取ってくるあたりここで仕留めないとまた人類にとってとんでもない脅威になったのは間違いない。
その気になれば魔王討ち取れそうな魔物
なんなら新しい魔王になっててもおかしくなかった
また上手く封印できるなら新しい攻撃魔法の研究材料にはなる
Qual was OP, took 80 years to counter his spell and in mere moments he figured out a way to adapt. He’s got the power of a demon and the ability to adapt like a human, give him a year and he would just completely get around defensive magic then they would have to seal him for 80 years again
Lol, they almost should have^^
Imagine just unfreezing this guy once a century, get him to evolve on the spot and then research his genious again for a long time.
フェルンの防御が壊れた瞬間一気に質量で攻めるって言う現代魔法戦に一瞬で追いつく所カッコ良すぎる
For once we get a fantasy setting where old and arcane more often than not means obsolete instead of almighty and I'm grateful for it.
I think arcane does mean powerful because it's been lost to time. Here, the spell is just old since everyone has studied it. If it never saw the light of day, this spell might have been overwhelming
Um.
You would be wrong about that. Partially at least.
There are spells from the mythic era (millenia before even Frieren was born) and those spells, some of which Frieren has, eclipse what modern mages can do.
In general the mythic era is the era of high magic.
@@sircastic959is that stated in the manga? Ive yet to read it. Idk if i should wait for season 2
@@saiyansakai8737 Yes it is. Kinda.
Though not a combat spell, the "Spotless clothing magic" Fern gets from Serie is one such spell as stated by Frieren.
Now I don´t know specifically which spells Frieren herself has that date back to the mythic era but do keep in mind she was studying under a Student of Serie who has been around since that time.
There are also modern spells that did not exist previously, flight has been a recent achievement of human mages and there is the obvious Zoltraak.
Now we don´t know how old the spells that Frieren uses in her mirror matchup are. But they don´t seem to be known widely. It might be only Serie and Frieren know most of those. I would speculate that at least some of those are mythic era spells.
To further my point, the very dungeon they raid was built by magic during the mythic era. And as we can see it packed quite the punch.
@@sircastic959being able to mimic multiple mages including the 2nd strongest known to humanity, perfectly copies all of their stats BUT the ability to speak, is truly terrifying.
ここで仕留めてなかったら人類マジでやばかった。完全体クヴァールとかフリーレンでも勝てなそう､､､
this episode single handedly made this my absolute favorite fantasy show of all time. It might not be grand or unique but its subtle and most importantly realistic worldbuilding puts it on a completely different level.
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クヴァール「魔王どうした？」
フリーレン「殺した」
クヴァール「じゃあ敵討つわ」
↑テンポ良すぎてクソワロタわww
ヴィアベル「あいつ（エーレ）はどうした？」
フェルン「殺しました」
ヴィアベル「俺たちの負けだな」
ここも同じでテンポ良いね。
I remember how I was 5k mmr in dota and this was considered pretty high rating, then abandoned it for like 6 years. Then I logged into it, still thinking 5k is high. Top players had like 10k. I felt fooled
This guy probably too
same experienced here
I think it is still high level to people. But, no longer professional tier to people.
Remember when rat Dota was a TI-winning strategy? Now even 1k players knows how to handle it
I think Frieren might just be explaining things for Fern's benefit here, but it would make a lot of sense for Frieren to respect Qual more than any other demon we've seen her interact with.
He's a more upright demon compared to the likes of Macht or Solitar, or most of the low-ranking demons we see in the show, and it seems the thing that Frieren hates the most about demons is that their dishonesty makes it pointless and tedious to try and communicate with them.
Qual doesn't look like he plays petty tricks, and the way that he immediately tries a barrage of spells to overwhelm her defense (the same move that Frieren taught Fern to use) shows that he's really someone with the fundamentals of a first-class mage. Frieren loves the study of magic, so it's probably hard to hate the guy who basically discovered lightning bolt.
Hopefully we'll get to see more of him in his prime, there's not nearly enough of the great demon mages in the story so far.
yes, she was actually quite respectful toward Qual despite being unable to resist killing him with his own spell (though it was probably also just the most efficient way to kill him).
Qual was a real one. He simply threw down. No games or tricks. No braindead stupid arrogance. He was smart, he was tough, and he was direct. Hard to actually hate people like that, even enemies.
しっかり忠誠心あるの好き
強者故の心の余裕もあって、かっこいい
復讐っていう人の感情を魔族なのに理解して口にしていることもこいつの異質さを表してていいんだよね
このシーンめちゃくちゃ好きなんだよな、人類の進化の軌跡も見えるし、偉人や伝説に残る人物も同じような形で亡くなってきたのかなって想像してしまう
He only appeared for a few minutes of an EP and can already be placed among the interesting characters, with a very cool charisma and villainous presence in the anime.
久々に起きたら特技が特技じゃなくなってたとかショック大きいはずなのに即座に弱点演算して対応してくる切り替えの早さ
フェルンが強いことが判明→クヴァールの株が上がる
勇者パーティーの強さが開示されていく→クヴァールの株が上がる
葬送のフリーレンが連載を続ける→クヴァールの株が上がる
まh…→クヴァールの株が上がる
ミゲルと同じや
ｳﾜｧｵ‼︎
クヴァールと同じくリュグナーの株が上がる（笑）
@@石塚大吾-s2g 1級試験編で大分稼いだね
死ななかっただけ勇者一行はメチャクチャすごい説😂
封印解除されてものの数分で色々と理解して尚且つ防御魔法の弱点とゾルトラーク連射をかましつつフリーレンの動きを注視してたらゾルトラークでやられちゃったけど、この場をクヴァールが逃げれるかもしくはもう少し時間を与えてたならどうしようもない魔法をまた作って試したんだろうな。それにクヴァールは自分に絶対の自信があるから人間の真似みたいな事もしないだろうしこの時、この場でクヴァールを倒さなかったら後々かなり面倒な敵となってた事でしょう。
このBGMかっこよすぎだろ
Loved LOVEEEDD the fact she frieren killed him with his very own spell. Incredible. Amazing. Poetic. Absolutely beautiful. Actually cried
Its called powercreep
bruh chill
later in the anime it says that spell is no longer like the original
She changed it a bit to specifically kill demons, but she wanted to use it as a flex because she knows far stronger spells that use less mana since magic has advanced and it's been so long.
少しずつ性質を変えた無数のゾルトラークを放って、防御魔法の脆弱性を見出してから特大の一撃ぶちかますの堅実で好き
これをフェルンが真似してるのも良いんだよねぇ。エーレ戦とか特に分かりやすい。
0:24 There's an extra layer here I feel like. Fern saying that Zoltraak is way too powerful from the description and Frieren responding with "...Yes" takes on a new meaning when we find out Zoltraak is now "ordinary offensive magic." Because the very nature of Zoltraak is so absurdly powerful on the face of it that even a relatively untrained person would describe it as such. But in a relatively short period of time, humans managed to analyze and break it down to such a degree that now EVERY combat oriented mage on the continent is probably capable of using it.
From the elven perspective, this is part of what makes humans so terrifying from elven and demon perspectives. Because humans can look at what is essentially a high level disintegration ray and go "Oh yeah, we'll all be able to learn how to do that in like a month, tops" (from the elven and demon perspective)
This might also be why Frieren avoids casting anything other than "basic magic" in fights with humans. There's nothing to learn from Frieren when she fights like that, and if she needs to, she has a bunch of other attack spells to fall back on.
ここで仕留め損なってたら物語終了だったな
クヴァール見た目的に物理攻撃魔法得意そうなのに、指揮者のように繊細でいて暴力的な攻撃魔法を使うから好き。魔族の中で2番目に好き❤
He probably realized frieren's zoltrak is very different since he is the creator and the fact that he should have been immune to it
Nope, he just created the greatest offensive possible spell that even he didn't have the means to defend against. Like how weapons are created today.
@@sapphyrus lughner said demon kind overcame zoltrakk half a century ago, I would assume as the creator he would be immune to it even earlier.
@@zirconia1205 Demonkind would also work over the spell in that time. A spellcaster wouldn’t necessarily start with immunity to one’s spell. As demonstrated in the video. Zoltraak was studied to create defense against, nowhere was it said that it was improved itself.
@sapphyrus lughner said the spell fern casted was different and can be considered a demon killing spell, is that not an improved spell? Or he is just surprised someone figured out how to cast zoltrakk
@@sapphyrus I believed it was stated, that frieren tweaked her zoltrack to become specifically nastier against demons. Probably a big F-U to them.
it shows how magic really wasn't used for malicious intent mostly, and also given the fact that a lot of the spells she finds are for day-to-day life
「久しい」と言う事は 封印されていても
意識は在ったと言う事か！なんと言う精神力。
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これ漫画読んで気づいたけど、
80年前の常識だと人間は飛べないから宙にいるフリーレンを発見出来なかったのね
What Frieren did not mention is that she was an important part in the analysis of the Zoltraak spell (as mentioned by Lügner). Her abilities as an analyst set her apart from other mages.
無いとは思うけどもしフリーレンが逃して何年か潜伏してたらもうゼーリエクラスじゃ無いと対処できない化け物魔法開発してそうだなこのチーター
The fact that Qual can use that spell like crazy fast and efficient terrified me.
If u see it now, it just basic spam.
But holy fck imagine Himmel party backthen. U can't guard and need to avoid all that.
No wonder no one beat him in that era.
As a software engineer, this to me reflects the evolution of cryptography and cipher cracking in recent years.
Hacking, more or less. Like in this scene, Penetration versus Defense. Same old story.
How a powerful mainframe built in the 70s could easily brute force and steamroll the most solid encryption sets, yet, in just a few decades, couldn't even _begin_ to touch our current and extremely common AES-256 standard symmetric block ciphers.
And much the same, the phone you're currently using has the power to easily crush most old symmetric standards like DES-56, which was engineered in the 1970s.
This ace hacker demon went from driving a custom 1979 Ford Mustang to pushing a Oldsmobile SUV. *_Science moves onward, and it's beautiful._*
Also note- Qual here wasn't an idiot. He immediately figured out the defense's weakness and tried to exploit it (defensive magic takes a lot more mana than offensive). His ability to problem solve is nothing short of genius, too bad he got killed by his own spell.
@@Not_interestEd- Quite ironic that his own spell was the end of him.
@@Not_interestEd-Killed by his own "modified" skill.
And it was at this point we all realized this series was going to be built different. It's one thing to explain what a spell is, it's another thing to give a full blown history lesson and have it be completely diegetic.
一般攻撃魔法にはなって弱く感じるけど、絶対に防御しないといけないくらい驚異的なのはやっぱ凄い、オールウェイズゾルトラークしてくれる。
Friein loves to humiliate demons.
Her casual dismissal and insult to someone who was so powerful is amusing.
一般攻撃魔法で止まってる敵に対して、油断しないようわざわざ言う辺りクヴァールさんの強さを物語ってる
この魔族の１番ヤバいのは冷静さと分析力やと思ってる
一般攻撃魔法って呼ばれるほど研究されててもフェルン以上の強さを誇るクヴァールさん
これ長期戦になってたらクヴァールの才能的に「防御魔法をすり抜けるゾルトラーク」とか「防御を迂回するゾルトラーク」とか使っててもおかしくないよね
アウラとかなんかより余裕で強いやんこいつ
It's like having a maxim gun in ww1 against a melee enemy, then suddenly after 80 years u came back for a while founding out that those enemies are now using modern machine guns.
80 years? 20 years and World war 2's advancements in weaponry did that too.
You know, if it weren't for the fact that demons are sociopathic, arrogant, egotistical monsters, I might actually feel bad for them going against Frieren.
Total demon death
the only one i feel kinda bad for is qual. he was the only one that didnt come off as arrogant. he was actually extremely talented.
It's just like with us humans. We racial profile people based on the stereotypical things society and the internet feed into our image of that person, even though they may be very different. Qual was probably still even, but he was smart and adaptive: most demons specialize in one magic while he invented a new, devastating offensive spell and learn the counter defensive spell invented much later in mere seconds. Hard work can beat talent, but when a talent works hard, damn it's terrifying.
@randynguyen lmao that's some cringe.
魔族と人類でもゾルトラークの色違うのもいいよね
いや、黒いゾルトラークが本家のゾルトラークで人を殺す魔法と呼ばれています。フリーレンが使った白いゾルトラークは魔族を殺す魔法と呼ばれ黒いゾルトラークは魔族には聞かないように改造されてるようなので人類は魔族特攻の白いゾルトラークを作り出しました。
@@トマト-g2q 魔族を殺す魔法(ゾルトラーク)はどこかで言及されていますか？コミックで読んでいるので最新情報からは遅れてしまうのです。原作1巻でクヴァールを倒した時は人を殺す魔法(ゾルトラーク)でしたが
Imagine being Qual in this scenario. After spending your entire life grinding and logging off for the night, you log back in and all your friends are hundreds of levels above you.
フリーレンカッコよすぎだろ
It actually speaks greater volumes that your speciality was so impressive that it was pushed to become the basic curriculum for offensive magic.
0:26 ネグリジェ姿のフリーレンかわいい
上にカメラを振ったら巨大な魔法陣が！
って演出がかっこいい
that spell from an edit was probably the only thing that made me watch this entire anime. can say i didnt regret watching it
She couldn't even fly in the original hero's party, that spell didn't exist at that time, so Qual didn't even know to watch out for that.
I like the "old mmo that's been out for decades" vibe of this scene.
It's like a veteran player remembering an incredibly plot relevant optional thing from one of the older expansions that they forgot to do then decided to take their newbie friend there to show them how far the game and the systems have come.
フェルンの防御魔法ブチ破るクヴァールやば過ぎる
80年前はこの密度で防御不能の即死級の魔法が飛んできたとかヤバすぎる。よくフリーレン達封印出来たなって感心するレベル
ハイターの女神の魔法ならガードできたのかもしれない
@@kongdroist4408 ハイターの負担デカすぎw
クヴァール強いし冷静だし敵打つかとかすごい人間らしいしフリーレンが情けかけてるしすごい好き
なんかどっかのコメントで
フリーレンワシの魔法を改良したのかって最後言ってるんじゃねって言ってる人いて確かにって思った
Killed in his own spell. Damn that's just too good.
ゾルトラークを唱える時のフリーレンが綺麗な顔と声です❤
１度の攻撃で通じない理由と対処法を瞬時に導き出せる頭の回転の早さ。
今この瞬間に一撃で葬らないとどんどんと８０年分の溝を埋めてかかって、現代の魔法使いじゃ勝てなくなってただろうことが容易に想像できるのが恐ろしい。
It is my own headcannon that Qual refused to block that with the defensive spell (which he has shown to be able to replicate) because of his own demonic pride (which we learn about later).
He didn't expect Frieren to cast Zoltraak, and it being the fastest spell he had no time to react to it either.
This is like sending the Wright Brothers into the future and then hitting them with a drone strike.
I can't decide what's more incredible writing. This... or the sour grapes :I
You dare use my own spell against me, Frieren!
賢老クヴァール様、カッコいいです。❤
Now it makes sense why she asks fern to block the zoltraak
😂 she unsealed him, talked shit about his spell, then killed him with his own spell. Dayum, the disrespect!
クヴァール、やっと目覚ましたと思ったら1分半で永遠の眠りに
Woke up to realize his spell became a cornerstone of modern magic
Frieren really is NEXT level petty when it comes to demons. Not only did she unseal one of the greatest demon mages in the last century to tell him that his king was dead and his signature spell was now obsolete, she even went so far as to have a human child block the full force of said spell from his own hands with only the most basic defense spell while SHE offed him with a modified version of his own spell!
『久しいのう…』って言ってるってことは、封印されている間も、時間経過を感じるような感覚というか意識だけはあり続けていたということだよね？
This what you felt everytime you purchased WOW expansion.
I always thought that Frieren made this Fern's first proper fight on purpose. By facing someone as strong and terrifying as Qual, Fern will not be as easily intimidated or distracted in future fights. It also shows the nature of demons, they act on impulse and without empathy even when they have a plan. Qual did not care for the death of his Queen, but decided that was reason enough to fight Frieren
When your ultimate skill become a common sense
なんでこの魔族はものの数分で防御魔法1枚破壊してるんですかね
強すぎやろ
頭のキレの速さと魔力量だと思う
"Imaginary Technique: ZOLTRAAK"
いやもう良い声だなあクヴァール
Not only did humanity develop defenses against Zoltraak but Frieren also reverse engineered it to create a version that effective against demons
Quartz: How dare you used my spell against me, Frie- Oh...
Qual: The elf flies; how fun.
Frieren: Zoltraak