I used to run a yearly tournament at a comic and game store I worked at. We called it the IronMan of Gaming and it would feature games of a bunch of different genre and generations and have challenges and point awards for winning or beating challenges. At the end of the night we'd take the top 4 and do a mystery final set of challenges with secret games. The final challenge the last time we did it was a 4 man free for all in Onimusha Blade Warriors. Winner got $250 store credit.
I am with Justin on this one. SvC Chaos is a looot more fun than what I remember. I came back to it recently and the core gameplay is so punchy I love it. But yeah SnK dropped the ball for making literally half of the roster hidden characters. Thankfully those "plus" versions exist. I also hope for SNK to authorize Code Mystics to give SvC Chaos some kind of UM treatment
Thank you Justin for actually seeing the good in SVC Chaos. I have a soft spot for that game, the sprites are just soooooo damn good. For a game that was made during SNK going bankrupt, I think it has a lot of charm to it and could have been waaaay worse.
Aww man I actually loved Onimusha Blade Warriors. I played it a ton with my friends back in the day. I remember being hyped to play as Zero and went through the grind to unlock him lol
I actually looked up some Criticom stuff and was shocked to see that there actually is something in there, you do have special moves, your characters level up, gain new moves and change appearance as they go through the arcade ladder. But that's really all there is, and as the videos from Max and Matt showed getting those special moves to come out is nearly impossible.
One correction: Dead Dance is the japanese version of Tuff E Nuff, not Power Moves. By the way, have you guys covered Tuff E Nuff somewhere? It’s not great but interesting.
I hope one of them covers the hiryu no ken fighting games from culture brain.I dunno if you remember a n64 game called flying dragon but that’s it’s name in Japanese
1:11:50 there is actually one other official transfomers fighting game and it's actually pretty good! it's another beast wars game, japan exclusive, and for the game boy color. it was made by the same devs that made the gameboy KOFs, and one of the characters even has burning knuckle it's honestly probably one of the best fighters on the game boy
@@ThrashMetalWolf666 Tell me about it, the whole thing with Rushing Beat and Rushing Beat Run becoming Rival Turf and The Peacekeepers was just too much.
Mortal Kombat Vs. DC is a an easy one to throw in there. Not even because of the general things people complained about the game like the lack of gore with Mortal Kombat being attached to it but because of how unnecessarily complicated that game’s version of EX’s worked and the Rage mechanic cause since it lets you armor through actually everything no matter what you’re doing, that means a few seconds of a match can be spent by one player popping Rage and the other backing away hoping they can last long enough until the Rage goes away, ya know, provided that person isn’t playing a character with the tools to very easily catch people who do that. Honestly to me that’s the the thing that ruins MK Vs. DC more than anything cause before you play the game long enough to think of the Rage mechanic, it can actually be goofy dumb fun, but it’s very easy for the Rage mechanic to bring the pace of a match to a screeching halt and that’s what kills the gameplay in my opinion.
Kakuto Chojin is Tobal 2, minus the grapple system and quest mode. If you take the time to play the Chojin move sets (unlocked after completing the game as a character), there's a lot of fun combos to figure out. My main issue with the game would be the lack of content. I just wish Dream Factory had more time to work on it.
If any game programmer is reading this, please make a 2D fighting game and put these 3 gentlemen in it as hidden unlockable characters. Max could be the shoto. Matt could be a grappler. And Justin could be a stance character with a stance in the style of Chun Li
1:03:48 Maybe I'm wrong (pretty sure I'm not), but having been around the block on the Unity Asset Store the characters in Fight(!) are from the "PBR Fighters Pack" by artist Maksim Bugrimov. It's like their cheapest character pack. I have little doubt the animations also all come from a single asset pack though I can't be bothered to watch gameplay to see if I know off the top of my head.
As Justin correctly said, we, Dragon Ball fans of the '90s, were able to play every shit with DBZ licence on it at the time. I played a lot of Dragon Ball Z Ultimate Battle 22. I didn't like it at all as a fighting game, it was much worse than the DBZ fighters released before on SNES and MD, still... I had it imported from Japan and played a shit ton of it. Same for Dragon Ball Z Legends (this was the one with 3 on 3 fighting, not UB22) and GT. Dark times, for sure 😅
I used to own Beast Wars: Transmetals on PS1. I was so wrapped up in the FMV's that I didn't even think about the gameplay. And somehow it was better than the first Beast Wars game.😅
As someone who’s dabbled in bad fighting games, I will always say my top 3 worst fighters are: Battle Master (not the Gundamn games) is a fighting game that you first have to figure out how to do one on one fights, realize your have to earn the fighters and there are only 4 or 5 fighters total. On top of that there’s some weird leveling up system in which you build your mech to get the true end. It’s…. It’s so bad!!! (Fighting eyes and FIST are the other two lol )
I liked how that end trailer section has Max saying that they're waiting for the Dark Souls of fighting games meanwhile in this episode they directly compared Criticom to Demon Souls. I think you found your game Max.
Man, I missed the bad character episode. I actually like Xanadu. He is weird, so so weird, and he could get a better redesign. But my dude, I liked him in 14. Way more than Rufus.
This reminds me of those Sonic rip-offs. When the first game became a sucess, every other company wanted a piece of that. Some were good, others were terrible... the rest were okay. A couple of exemples: Bubsy, Aero the Acro-Bat, Zool, Rocky Rodent, Socket, Rocket Knight Adventures, Plok, Chuck Rock, Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel, Mr. Nutz, etc...
My experience with Onimusha Blade Warriors mirrors Max's. It had a broken counter mechanic where if you hit attack right when someone is open to attack you, you'd preempt it for HUGE damage and it felt so random.
Thank you, Justin, Matt, and Maximillian for this fun episode. I (like Justin) have been a victim of bad anime IP games (especially on Super Famicom) and although I have played all of the Dragon Ball related ones, NONE are as bad as Hokuto No Ken 6 in which all of the characters play the same with 1 unique special move each. The sequel was slightly better with a Vs mechanic and added a different finisher to each character but was still very minimal for a fighting game.
I wasn’t expecting them to bring up the TMNT smash game lmao. I used to play that game constantly on my wii, brawl was also my first smash game so I actually really loved this game at 6-7 years old💀💀classic
Rise of the robots is the worst fighting game (that is not an indie, mobile or portable one). You can't even jump over and cross up your opponent, terrible animations, clunky controls, useless normals, even worse and pointless special moves, exploitable AI. And it has no excuse, it came around the same time as "2nd generation" fighting games like Darkstalkers and King of fighters 94. What the hell... You couldn't do a game that bad if you tried.
Fun fact: when Rise came out onto it's original platform (Amiga), British game magazines pretty much destroyed their credibility by giving it really high scores across the board. Why? The arrival of Edge who praised Rise to high heavens led the publisher demand positive press via contracts. Amiga Power was the only magazine who said no and had to wait until the release. Their score , a 5 out of 100, made everyone else look like a bunch of liars.
Lol. Is it crazy that my first experience realizing I was playing a bad fighting game was when I was playing a good fighting game? I was playing DBFZ online and the connections are SO BAD lol. Especially on Xbox. I mean I haven’t played it in a a minute so maybe it’s better but you would wait 30 min for a match, it would be 10+ frames of delay, you would lose the connection on the second fight. Lol. I hope that roll back eventually fixes it.
Not gonna lie, me and my brothers played Fight Club religiously. That game had a lot of cool things like stage transit, bloody screens, breaking bones, character creator and a playable Abraham Lincoln.
Kabuki Warriors is not that bad of a game but it is rather basic as there is not much outside of one attack button, a few throws, rolling, and taunting to gain money. It's actually OK but nothing special, I don't get why reviews back then gave it such low scores when there is a lot worse. Kakuto Chojin is definitely a game Matt should cover as I think it's one of the most underrated 3D fighters out there as the mechanics are actually solid since it was made by DreamFactory so most of the mechanics that Tobal, Ehrgeiz, and The Bouncer had was carried over to Kakuto Chojin with a neat movement, and combo system.
Another great episode! So many (bad) memories of terrible fgs over time... > < Here's hoping the promised "art of fgs" episode is coming anytime soon, much love!, keep rockin'!! ♥
The first bad fighting game I played was Pit Fighter on SNES. It was one of those games I just always had, and even to this day it's still REALLY bad. Bad controls, very tough A.I, health doesn't replenish between fights, game over after losing one round, and no continues. Obviously, I never got far with it.
It might just be nostalgia because they were some of the first fighting games I played but I love the X-Men Mutant Academy/Next Dimension games. I remember the story in Next Dimension actually not being that bad, with some branching paths and full cutscenes and stuff.
Wooo, I was hoping to find some SF1 haters up in here!! I had it on the C64... Sagat still haunts my dreams. Bitch used to spam throw "white pillows" (I was young... didn't know they were fireballs) and could 1-hit KO you.
Last episode was probably the most genuine point made defending Rufus, that if his personality and design were used seperately, it wouldve been fine. Fat kung fu man with quirks. But the fact he's this loud, obnoxious, try hard fattso who thinks he can even approach Ken at all makes him unbearable as a design for a character. You just want him to lose every second he's on screen
Dragon Ball GT had an initial release outside of japan. As an anime nerd back then it was kind of a big deal because it was the only dragon ball thing you could get and we'll see how to access the fan subs. Except for maybe those t-shirts that were floating around
19:33 didn't play this game, but played their MUGEN version. CHOUJIN basically just said "I can fix this" and made really fun characters based on those sprites in Mugen. Which is crazy.
Man, you guys brought up DBZ Taiketsu of all games. That’s the only game in my life that I stole from someone else as a kid and honestly, I probably did them a favor.
My first bad fighting game, was Rise of the Robots! Our class one day on Friday did a special video game day and let us bring in our consoles to play video games for a few hours. They couldn't be violent, so no Street Fighter 2 or Mortal Kombat. And a friend had rented and brought that in! And it sucked! lol
Street Fighter 2 wasn't violent ... At least in my opinion and compared to MK. I guess the character portraits are beat up after you beat them... but like it isn't overly bloody or anything.
@@Gatorade69 That's what they said. This was in middle school. I would have prefered to play a GOOD fighting game! Not garbage like Rise of the Robots! lol
nothing will ever top TR:The Risers. That to this day is the funniest Scrublords episode from the zaibatsu era "Mr. Wyndi known as the wendigo with the cackler grin, his GREED for the weapons and the essence of the gangsters from 20th century IS ONLY TO HIDE HIS OWN PSYCHOPATHY"
One fighting game I played that was just weird was Rock'em Sock'em Robots for the Playstation. This game was like some strange 3D Mortal Kombat game where you could literally rip your opponent's limbs by attacking it a bunch. The controls were pretty jank, and you could spam moves a bunch. One of the characters felt really broken.
Matt's reaction at 12:28 is pretty much the same reaction I made just now, Jesus lol. I used to own Shaq Fu on my Genesis and I absolutely despised that game (I got it bundled with Comix Zone at the end of the Genesis's life at retail).
Rise of the Robots was the first game I thought of too. I think after that it would be Black Hole Assault on the Mega CD. Not a great game but the hidden Pong like game called Black Ball Assault is really addictive.
Flying Dragon (in NES) was my first encounter to a fighting game. Now I think back it was kind of bad, but I had a ton of fun. The funny thing is when its your first fighting game, you don't know what to expect, it's all new. So regardless of how bad it is, its still great at the time.
I appreciate you guys acknowledging the legacy component of this conversation. Like Street Fighter 1 is probably the worst fighting game I’ve personally played but like it’s Street Fighter ONE so it makes sense everything else that came afterwards is way better
Shaq fu was good and bad at the same time. Characters were great, moves were wanky but the stages were nice. It had a weird feel to it but I enjoyed it in 1990 something.
1. This podcast is excellent! Keep up the great work. 2. Respectfully you guys are wrong about Onimusha Blade Warriors 🤣. It is a pretty good time with friends, has a ton of characters with multiple endings, forms and costumes, there are hidden levels and even some expanded lore sprinkled in. It has problems but me and my friends played it for at least 100+ hours when it released lol. 3. Ironically I also loved X-Men Next dimension amd sunk a hundred hours in with friends as well. 🤣 so maybe I'm wrong
I loved rise of the imperfects and I think it holds up really well the game just wasn’t completely finished it was rushed. I would love to see that game come back some way
63 1/3... I knew it was bad, it got rated bad... But, seeing it in adverts in games magazines priced so cheaply just made me want it, just to bulk up that collection a bit.
See I actually own all of the clayfighter games, including sculptors cut, and I grew up with them BECAUSE they were so cheap and I wasn’t allowed to play Mortal Kombat, Clayfighter was trash, BUT it got 5 releases and there were several attempts to revive the series but it kept getting kneecapped but it’s own company trying to lower costs, tournament edition is decent fun, and there’s a fan hack called ultra clayfighter tournament edition, and it’s actually really good. Just one of those cases where it could’ve been something, and then it wasn’t. Lol
The first trash fighting game I remember playing in my life....Hold on to your time machines....Dino Wars on the Radio Shack TRS-80. The TRS was short for Trash. It was T-Rex vs T-Rex. But this was a time when individual pixels were like fist sized on a 12" screen. And all the T-Rex's did was yell at each other. It can be played against the computer or a friend. Me and my cousins never figured out why some roars knocked down while others had no apparent effect. Pit Fighter on Snes is a fighting game??? I only ever played the arcade and Genesis versions. Those were beat'em ups.
Lol my first time playing Toshinden was in a Circuit City back in the day. When I saw that old man walk on the spirit bomb I was like yo this game is legit. I also really liked Shaq Fu, just because I thought the animations were so clean, and I thought the special moves were sick. Seemed like it was hard to execute specials, but I chalked that up to me just being trash, and I never owned it. I only played it at other people's houses so I didn't get to practice as much as I wanted to.
Pit-Fighter is more like a brawler or wrestling game, or other player vs computer fighting games developed before SF2. The design has more DNA with the other Atari games or Midway games. The American arcade style at the turn of the decade. It was attractive but never very interesting. It's more like a brawler as well, and there's a follow-up which is just a brawler. It was absurdly common; it was the highest grossing arcade game of 1990 The SNES game was a terrible conversion, presumably to get to market quickly. It's barely playable.
Justin wong- the expert player
Maximillian dood- the expert commentator reviewer
Matt mcmuscles- jank video games "my time to shine"
Matt is the expert of jank. This is what makes em Triple K.O.
Matt is gonna be an expert in this conversation
Haha fr
That's an understatement
Exact thoughts, i can't wait
And he delivered
The one thing I disagree with him on is MK Advance being the worst port. Mortal Kombat 4 on Gameboy Color is absolute trash.
17:20 “THAT GAME WAS SICK HE SAYS”
Max’s reaction along with the anime effect, makes it the single funniest response 💀
"Fools! You've stepped into my territory now!" -Matt McMuscles, probably
"If you're a Dragon Ball fan, you ride and die with Dragon Ball. So as a Dragon Ball fan, this game is sick."
Well said, Justin. Good shit.
HE SAID MUGEN! we are getting closer to an episode guys!!!!!
I used to run a yearly tournament at a comic and game store I worked at. We called it the IronMan of Gaming and it would feature games of a bunch of different genre and generations and have challenges and point awards for winning or beating challenges. At the end of the night we'd take the top 4 and do a mystery final set of challenges with secret games. The final challenge the last time we did it was a 4 man free for all in Onimusha Blade Warriors. Winner got $250 store credit.
I always kind of wanted that game haha. Looked like smash with onimusha
This really was Matt's chance to shine. I never knew SvC Chaos was considered a bad game
I can never see that exact image of Shaq without my brain just blaring the opening track used in Matt’s “Worst fighting game” series
Matt has a whole section in his channel dedicated to this!
I am with Justin on this one. SvC Chaos is a looot more fun than what I remember. I came back to it recently and the core gameplay is so punchy I love it. But yeah SnK dropped the ball for making literally half of the roster hidden characters. Thankfully those "plus" versions exist. I also hope for SNK to authorize Code Mystics to give SvC Chaos some kind of UM treatment
Thank you Justin for actually seeing the good in SVC Chaos. I have a soft spot for that game, the sprites are just soooooo damn good. For a game that was made during SNK going bankrupt, I think it has a lot of charm to it and could have been waaaay worse.
@@alwaysxnever same, Dhalsim looks great too!
Great SNK roster too
Those sprites are soooo freakin’ good. I can’t get over how good they are.
And it felt like more of a crossover game than cvs2. A bit more diverse in its roster.
Props to justin for schooling these two on db lore
Aww man I actually loved Onimusha Blade Warriors. I played it a ton with my friends back in the day. I remember being hyped to play as Zero and went through the grind to unlock him lol
I actually looked up some Criticom stuff and was shocked to see that there actually is something in there, you do have special moves, your characters level up, gain new moves and change appearance as they go through the arcade ladder. But that's really all there is, and as the videos from Max and Matt showed getting those special moves to come out is nearly impossible.
Progression in fighting games used to be a feature that they only put in *bad* fighting games.
Episode dedicated to Matt practically, 1st ones that come to mind is Kasumi Ninja, Shaq-Fu, and Critcom.
One correction: Dead Dance is the japanese version of Tuff E Nuff, not Power Moves.
By the way, have you guys covered Tuff E Nuff somewhere? It’s not great but interesting.
Need to see one of these three play Tuff E Nuff or Dead Dance.
I hope one of them covers the hiryu no ken fighting games from culture brain.I dunno if you remember a n64 game called flying dragon but that’s it’s name in Japanese
1:11:50 there is actually one other official transfomers fighting game and it's actually pretty good! it's another beast wars game, japan exclusive, and for the game boy color.
it was made by the same devs that made the gameboy KOFs, and one of the characters even has burning knuckle
it's honestly probably one of the best fighters on the game boy
Dead Dance was released in the US as (Hey Punk! Are U ) Tuff E Nuff. What an era.
Jaleco had a thing for changing the title, character names, and removing content for their US localized game's especially in the 90s.
@@ThrashMetalWolf666 Tell me about it, the whole thing with Rushing Beat and Rushing Beat Run becoming Rival Turf and The Peacekeepers was just too much.
Justin explaining the Dragon Ball Gt lore to Max is literally my life
Mortal Kombat Vs. DC is a an easy one to throw in there.
Not even because of the general things people complained about the game like the lack of gore with Mortal Kombat being attached to it but because of how unnecessarily complicated that game’s version of EX’s worked and the Rage mechanic cause since it lets you armor through actually everything no matter what you’re doing, that means a few seconds of a match can be spent by one player popping Rage and the other backing away hoping they can last long enough until the Rage goes away, ya know, provided that person isn’t playing a character with the tools to very easily catch people who do that.
Honestly to me that’s the the thing that ruins MK Vs. DC more than anything cause before you play the game long enough to think of the Rage mechanic, it can actually be goofy dumb fun, but it’s very easy for the Rage mechanic to bring the pace of a match to a screeching halt and that’s what kills the gameplay in my opinion.
Kakuto Chojin is Tobal 2, minus the grapple system and quest mode. If you take the time to play the Chojin move sets (unlocked after completing the game as a character), there's a lot of fun combos to figure out. My main issue with the game would be the lack of content. I just wish Dream Factory had more time to work on it.
If any game programmer is reading this, please make a 2D fighting game and put these 3 gentlemen in it as hidden unlockable characters.
Max could be the shoto. Matt could be a grappler. And Justin could be a stance character with a stance in the style of Chun Li
1:03:48
Maybe I'm wrong (pretty sure I'm not), but having been around the block on the Unity Asset Store the characters in Fight(!) are from the "PBR Fighters Pack" by artist Maksim Bugrimov. It's like their cheapest character pack. I have little doubt the animations also all come from a single asset pack though I can't be bothered to watch gameplay to see if I know off the top of my head.
As Justin correctly said, we, Dragon Ball fans of the '90s, were able to play every shit with DBZ licence on it at the time. I played a lot of Dragon Ball Z Ultimate Battle 22. I didn't like it at all as a fighting game, it was much worse than the DBZ fighters released before on SNES and MD, still... I had it imported from Japan and played a shit ton of it. Same for Dragon Ball Z Legends (this was the one with 3 on 3 fighting, not UB22) and GT. Dark times, for sure 😅
I used to own Beast Wars: Transmetals on PS1. I was so wrapped up in the FMV's that I didn't even think about the gameplay. And somehow it was better than the first Beast Wars game.😅
I had the N64 version and I thought it was good this was before I discovered later that it was a piece of scrap metal.
The GBC Beast Wars game is actually good.
@@juststatedtheobvious9633 Wow. I didn't even know that existed.
Still hoping for a fighting game characters in non fighting games episode! (Like Project X Zone)
As someone who’s dabbled in bad fighting games, I will always say my top 3 worst fighters are:
Battle Master (not the Gundamn games) is a fighting game that you first have to figure out how to do one on one fights, realize your have to earn the fighters and there are only 4 or 5 fighters total. On top of that there’s some weird leveling up system in which you build your mech to get the true end. It’s…. It’s so bad!!! (Fighting eyes and FIST are the other two lol )
Froggo's Karate on 2600 and the R-Zone's fighting game library are still worse.
I liked how that end trailer section has Max saying that they're waiting for the Dark Souls of fighting games meanwhile in this episode they directly compared Criticom to Demon Souls. I think you found your game Max.
Power Moves...thanks for bringing that back Matt!! It was budget ass Street Fighter. Played it in 1993.
Man, I missed the bad character episode. I actually like Xanadu. He is weird, so so weird, and he could get a better redesign. But my dude, I liked him in 14. Way more than Rufus.
This reminds me of those Sonic rip-offs. When the first game became a sucess, every other company wanted a piece of that. Some were good, others were terrible... the rest were okay.
A couple of exemples: Bubsy, Aero the Acro-Bat, Zool, Rocky Rodent, Socket, Rocket Knight Adventures, Plok, Chuck Rock, Zero the Kamikaze Squirrel, Mr. Nutz, etc...
Onimusha Blade Warriors is a real sour spot for me because it's the only fighting game that Capcom put my boy MegaMan.exe in...and it's not fun 😞
My experience with Onimusha Blade Warriors mirrors Max's. It had a broken counter mechanic where if you hit attack right when someone is open to attack you, you'd preempt it for HUGE damage and it felt so random.
You guys should definitely go into N64 fighting games. That system has so many hidden gems goof and bad
You ever play Deadly Arts? I remember having a blast with the create a fighter one weekend.
@@megamanx1101 Yup long time ago. Deadly Arts,Fighters Destiny, Flying Dragon, Clay Fighter, KI Gold. I played em all
I think Matt is a MACE the dark age fan.
Demonica is a great character
Man when Dragonball FighterZ came out I couldn't go back to playing any of the older games.
42:53 I can't Believe Max predicted fighting fridges in sf6 a year ago lmao
Thank you, Justin, Matt, and Maximillian for this fun episode.
I (like Justin) have been a victim of bad anime IP games (especially on Super Famicom) and although I have played all of the Dragon Ball related ones, NONE are as bad as Hokuto No Ken 6 in which all of the characters play the same with 1 unique special move each. The sequel was slightly better with a Vs mechanic and added a different finisher to each character but was still very minimal for a fighting game.
seems like we are gonna see more Criticom here
“It plays like a FAT ASS!” I SWEAR I fall in love with Max AT LEAST once a week!
I wasn’t expecting them to bring up the TMNT smash game lmao. I used to play that game constantly on my wii, brawl was also my first smash game so I actually really loved this game at 6-7 years old💀💀classic
Rise of the robots is the worst fighting game (that is not an indie, mobile or portable one). You can't even jump over and cross up your opponent, terrible animations, clunky controls, useless normals, even worse and pointless special moves, exploitable AI. And it has no excuse, it came around the same time as "2nd generation" fighting games like Darkstalkers and King of fighters 94. What the hell...
You couldn't do a game that bad if you tried.
Fun fact: when Rise came out onto it's original platform (Amiga), British game magazines pretty much destroyed their credibility by giving it really high scores across the board. Why? The arrival of Edge who praised Rise to high heavens led the publisher demand positive press via contracts. Amiga Power was the only magazine who said no and had to wait until the release. Their score , a 5 out of 100, made everyone else look like a bunch of liars.
Lol. Is it crazy that my first experience realizing I was playing a bad fighting game was when I was playing a good fighting game? I was playing DBFZ online and the connections are SO BAD lol. Especially on Xbox. I mean I haven’t played it in a a minute so maybe it’s better but you would wait 30 min for a match, it would be 10+ frames of delay, you would lose the connection on the second fight. Lol. I hope that roll back eventually fixes it.
Not gonna lie, me and my brothers played Fight Club religiously. That game had a lot of cool things like stage transit, bloody screens, breaking bones, character creator and a playable Abraham Lincoln.
Kabuki Warriors is not that bad of a game but it is rather basic as there is not much outside of one attack button, a few throws, rolling, and taunting to gain money. It's actually OK but nothing special, I don't get why reviews back then gave it such low scores when there is a lot worse.
Kakuto Chojin is definitely a game Matt should cover as I think it's one of the most underrated 3D fighters out there as the mechanics are actually solid since it was made by DreamFactory so most of the mechanics that Tobal, Ehrgeiz, and The Bouncer had was carried over to Kakuto Chojin with a neat movement, and combo system.
@29:30 for Kabuki warriors the best review ever was from egm I believe, "I won a match by literally bashing the controller against my ass."
Another great episode! So many (bad) memories of terrible fgs over time... > < Here's hoping the promised "art of fgs" episode is coming anytime soon, much love!, keep rockin'!! ♥
The first bad fighting game I played was Pit Fighter on SNES. It was one of those games I just always had, and even to this day it's still REALLY bad. Bad controls, very tough A.I, health doesn't replenish between fights, game over after losing one round, and no continues. Obviously, I never got far with it.
'Dead Dance' was the original name of Tuff-E-Nuff (cringe), a different game. The original name of 'Power Moves' was 'Power Athlete'.
It might just be nostalgia because they were some of the first fighting games I played but I love the X-Men Mutant Academy/Next Dimension games. I remember the story in Next Dimension actually not being that bad, with some branching paths and full cutscenes and stuff.
My Street Fighter 1 or Known as Fighting Street on Turbografx 16 🤕
Me too.
Street fighter 1 is way worse than the games they're mentioning
Wooo, I was hoping to find some SF1 haters up in here!!
I had it on the C64... Sagat still haunts my dreams. Bitch used to spam throw "white pillows" (I was young... didn't know they were fireballs) and could 1-hit KO you.
Way late comment, but yall made the battle fridge joke and a year later the damn things are in SF6 world tour.
The three wise men of games graces us with their opinions on the worst fighting games ever made. Let the good times roll and Lets go doods.
48:38 Max literally did a hop kick 🤣 Put this man in Tekken!
5:37 _I’ve never actually played Shaq Fu_
yeah he did with YoVideoGames back in 2017 even during the time when Scarecrow 2 got revealed at Injustice 2
today I learned Matt is not a blue skeleton
He is still a blue skeleton, he's just wearing his fancy fleshsuit.
Last episode was probably the most genuine point made defending Rufus, that if his personality and design were used seperately, it wouldve been fine. Fat kung fu man with quirks.
But the fact he's this loud, obnoxious, try hard fattso who thinks he can even approach Ken at all makes him unbearable as a design for a character. You just want him to lose every second he's on screen
So basically Khan from Kakuto Chojin who is also a fat kung fu guy who kinda looks like Clown from Spawn.
The first game I ever played was bloody roar 2 and that was fantastic. What was y’alls first fighter?
Svc chaos was a ton of fun. but my copy started crashing when you did, something i forget what.
Loving this podcast, and the nice reminder at the end of much worse podcasts to let you know how lucky you just had it.
Dragon Ball GT had an initial release outside of japan. As an anime nerd back then it was kind of a big deal because it was the only dragon ball thing you could get and we'll see how to access the fan subs. Except for maybe those t-shirts that were floating around
19:33 didn't play this game, but played their MUGEN version. CHOUJIN basically just said "I can fix this" and made really fun characters based on those sprites in Mugen. Which is crazy.
Yo!! Onimusha Blade Warriors! Dood! It had MM Zero and MM EXE! That was it for me! Lol
Man, you guys brought up DBZ Taiketsu of all games. That’s the only game in my life that I stole from someone else as a kid and honestly, I probably did them a favor.
My first bad fighting game, was Rise of the Robots!
Our class one day on Friday did a special video game day and let us bring in our consoles to play video games for a few hours. They couldn't be violent, so no Street Fighter 2 or Mortal Kombat. And a friend had rented and brought that in! And it sucked! lol
Street Fighter 2 wasn't violent ... At least in my opinion and compared to MK. I guess the character portraits are beat up after you beat them... but like it isn't overly bloody or anything.
@@Gatorade69 According to our teachers! lol
@@Jordan83709 Fighting = Violent. But it's fine if robots beat each other up.
@@Gatorade69 That's what they said. This was in middle school. I would have prefered to play a GOOD fighting game! Not garbage like Rise of the Robots! lol
@@Jordan83709 Yeah I remember something similar at my school. Someone brought Mario Kart 64 though so that was fun.
Before I watch, hope they talk about Dragon ball GT Final bout or Heavy Nova for the Genesis
Where's this list that they keep referring to? I don't see it in the description.
Ready or not!
10:07 This is the first FG I ever played and I only have fond memories with this - thank God I was too young to have high standards haha
Yo when’s the merch coming??
nothing will ever top TR:The Risers. That to this day is the funniest Scrublords episode from the zaibatsu era
"Mr. Wyndi
known as the wendigo with the cackler grin, his GREED for the weapons and the essence of the gangsters from 20th century IS ONLY TO HIDE HIS OWN PSYCHOPATHY"
SNES - Hey Punk, Are You Tuff E Nuff. Awful.
One fighting game I played that was just weird was Rock'em Sock'em Robots for the Playstation. This game was like some strange 3D Mortal Kombat game where you could literally rip your opponent's limbs by attacking it a bunch. The controls were pretty jank, and you could spam moves a bunch. One of the characters felt really broken.
Matt's reaction at 12:28 is pretty much the same reaction I made just now, Jesus lol. I used to own Shaq Fu on my Genesis and I absolutely despised that game (I got it bundled with Comix Zone at the end of the Genesis's life at retail).
SVC Chaos plus had the hidden characters unlocked. Those are available on the normal game via code though.
Rise of the Robots was the first game I thought of too. I think after that it would be Black Hole Assault on the Mega CD. Not a great game but the hidden Pong like game called Black Ball Assault is really addictive.
Flying Dragon (in NES) was my first encounter to a fighting game. Now I think back it was kind of bad, but I had a ton of fun. The funny thing is when its your first fighting game, you don't know what to expect, it's all new. So regardless of how bad it is, its still great at the time.
can you guys do a video on the capcom vs snk games/the future of the franchise
Doomsday Warrior on the SNES. Neat idea you can level up stats after each fight but man unnecessary difficulty hurdle on the bosses
I appreciate you guys acknowledging the legacy component of this conversation. Like Street Fighter 1 is probably the worst fighting game I’ve personally played but like it’s Street Fighter ONE so it makes sense everything else that came afterwards is way better
please play kettou beast wars on the GBC. it's actually pretty good
I second this, along with the other FG's made by Takara on the GB and GBC
Shaq fu was good and bad at the same time. Characters were great, moves were wanky but the stages were nice. It had a weird feel to it but I enjoyed it in 1990 something.
1. This podcast is excellent! Keep up the great work.
2. Respectfully you guys are wrong about Onimusha Blade Warriors 🤣. It is a pretty good time with friends, has a ton of characters with multiple endings, forms and costumes, there are hidden levels and even some expanded lore sprinkled in. It has problems but me and my friends played it for at least 100+ hours when it released lol.
3. Ironically I also loved X-Men Next dimension amd sunk a hundred hours in with friends as well. 🤣 so maybe I'm wrong
I loved rise of the imperfects and I think it holds up really well the game just wasn’t completely finished it was rushed. I would love to see that game come back some way
I remember SCRUBLORDS. Never forget.
Ooh, a wacky one is Joy Mech Fight for the SNES. Its crazy weird and you can play it on the japanese super famicom on switch.
People were at one point talking about the possibility of a Marvel Nemesis 2. And I’m like, really? Y’all want a sequel to THAT game?
What theme would you need to talk about destrega?
I played Dino Rex at HEY in Akihabara a couple weeks ago. It was a depressing experience.
I’m appalled and almost offended that you didn’t mention clay fighter at all, that game series is a very special piece of trash
63 1/3... I knew it was bad, it got rated bad...
But, seeing it in adverts in games magazines priced so cheaply just made me want it, just to bulk up that collection a bit.
See I actually own all of the clayfighter games, including sculptors cut, and I grew up with them BECAUSE they were so cheap and I wasn’t allowed to play Mortal Kombat, Clayfighter was trash, BUT it got 5 releases and there were several attempts to revive the series but it kept getting kneecapped but it’s own company trying to lower costs, tournament edition is decent fun, and there’s a fan hack called ultra clayfighter tournament edition, and it’s actually really good. Just one of those cases where it could’ve been something, and then it wasn’t. Lol
The first trash fighting game I remember playing in my life....Hold on to your time machines....Dino Wars on the Radio Shack TRS-80. The TRS was short for Trash. It was T-Rex vs T-Rex. But this was a time when individual pixels were like fist sized on a 12" screen. And all the T-Rex's did was yell at each other. It can be played against the computer or a friend. Me and my cousins never figured out why some roars knocked down while others had no apparent effect.
Pit Fighter on Snes is a fighting game??? I only ever played the arcade and Genesis versions. Those were beat'em ups.
Finally. 26 episodes in, and a Cardinal Syn reference
Ken's wife cheated with Rufus, just sayin...
Can somebody PLEASE recommend them the flying dragon/hiryu no ken fighting game series??
I thought " I wonder if they'll talk about the construction vehicle fighting game" and sure enough they did.
Please do a video on patch culture and how to handle good and bad updates.
Personaly my first "bad" fighting game was MK2 because I hated gard with a button and not with the back arrow.
Lol my first time playing Toshinden was in a Circuit City back in the day. When I saw that old man walk on the spirit bomb I was like yo this game is legit. I also really liked Shaq Fu, just because I thought the animations were so clean, and I thought the special moves were sick. Seemed like it was hard to execute specials, but I chalked that up to me just being trash, and I never owned it. I only played it at other people's houses so I didn't get to practice as much as I wanted to.
For me, it was Tuff E Nuff. That game is TRASH. Power Moves is a masterpiece in comparison.
Hey Punk !
Are you Tuff E Nuff ?
To master the moves to master me ?
Pit-Fighter is more like a brawler or wrestling game, or other player vs computer fighting games developed before SF2. The design has more DNA with the other Atari games or Midway games. The American arcade style at the turn of the decade. It was attractive but never very interesting. It's more like a brawler as well, and there's a follow-up which is just a brawler. It was absurdly common; it was the highest grossing arcade game of 1990
The SNES game was a terrible conversion, presumably to get to market quickly. It's barely playable.
the 1st fighting game with digitized graphics
2 years before mortal kombat