I'll never forget this one. In 2004 when I was in middle school, a new kid just moved here and my friend group became fast friends with him. One day during gym he said his uncle works at Midway and they're gonna start making MKvsDC. We were all grizzled Vets of the "my uncle works at Nintendo" age so none of us believed him. Long story short, he was very humble with it and we all got free copies of the game lmao
1:00:30 People used to say you could unlock Sonic in Super Smash Bros for N64 if you can beat the game on Very Hard with One Life. It was this "impossible" challenge. But I did it after many weeks of practice after hearing about it. As we all know I did not unlock Sonic. Because he wasn't programmed in. But I did get pretty sick at Smash back then. And this was long before the Gamecube even. And people said the same for Melee but no one fell for it. SO... That's why Sonic in Brawl was such a big deal. Good times. Good times.
I remember a similar Smash 64 rumor, but the one I heard was that there were 4 “hidden” characters that had to be unlocked by beating the game on Very Hard with one Stock and you had to use specific characters to unlock them. The fake hidden characters were: Raichu, Wigglytuff, Giant DK, & Metal Mario; and you would unlock them by using Pikachu, Jigglypuff, DK and Mario respectively. My little bro tried for a year to unlock Raichu before giving up 😂
DOA2 there was a rumor that if you finished off kasumi down in the bottom part of the snow level with Ayane, she would basically perform a ninja art fatality on her. It is real btw
Thank you Justin, Matt, and Maximillian for this walk down memory lane. Much like Max had stated a lot of my fellow gamer would just copy the codes out of the magazines and then try to input them. I usually did NOT have much luck in the arcades especially when attempting to fight the Ryo in FF2, Mr Karate in AoF, or Geese in AoF2 especially since none of us knew how to get those secret bosses to unlock back then (had to wait for the homeport and pray that they were included). I remember that I had the dubious luck of playing a lot of the players in MvC2 that would use the hidden characters (via the select screen). Really had high hopes for that 2D version of MvC3 but alas that fake is never meant to be. Had a lot of laughs watching this episode, thanks again gents.
The Dramatic Mode in Alpha 3 arcade (hold 3Ks before pressing Start from Main Menu) holds special to me and my then-6 year old son. It was our go-to way of bonding by beating up a wannabe dictator 2v1 style... Even now that he's 14, we sometimes fire up our old emulator in my old laptop to play Alpha 3...
1:05:50 Okay Marcus Fenix for MK9 this was a fun rumor that I think a lot of people forget where some of this came from. It all started when Gamespot was holding an online tourney for greatest video game villain of all time. They took two villains paired them in brackets and people would vote, one of the match ups they had was Shao Kahn vs General Raam. Which would of been well enough to get the MK Community all riled up. But this before MK9's release, all sorts of rumors and speculations we're going around about who would be revealed next after the E3 trailer. So Ed Boon decided to light a fire and said if Shao Kahn won that poll he'd reveal a new character teasing people with a picture of a woman's leg in a red boot. (This was later revealed to be Skarlet.) After that poll fakes of Marcus Fenix in MK started circulating Edit: The fact Justin mentions "The Boot." Makes me so happy
The detail that everyone forgets about the EGM April Fool's joke on Sheng Long is that on the bottom of the very same page they announce that there is a fake article in that issue and ran a contest to see who can guess which one it was. Apparently most entries were not correct.
The biggest one I remember trying was unlocking Kazuya in Tekken 3. I think it was like 100 versus matches in one sitting, and then he was supposed to unlock? I wasted many an evening as a kid shooting for that.
Still remember playing Ocarina of Time over and over and over because it was rumored if you beat the game without dying, got all of the gold skultulas, got every piece of heart, and played the Song of Time backwards that you could open up a special portal in the Temple of Time to get the Tri-Force lol.
This is something that I really miss. In the old days before we could learn everything online, I loved the mystique that floated around where wacky rumours like Shen Long COULD be real.
Justin hit the nail on the head for me, Sonic in Melee made sense to me as a kid cause of Mewtwo's crazy unlock conditions, lol. It didn't help that a lot of these fake characters and stuff weren't just printed in EGM, they would find themselves on code and cheat websites back in the day and I would spend a lot of time trying to unlock things that weren't real 😅
You're telling me man, I remember spending months trying to unlock Oxide in Crash Team Racing, or finding fake codes that let you play as Dark Tooth in Twisted Metal. God, finding out they were fakes pissed me the hell off.
I think the funny thing that came out after Sora was released for Smash is that Disney was kinda just perfectly happy to have Sora in Smash, it was Square Enix that was being so weird about it, despite the fact that Cloud was already in the game and Sephiroth was wither being worked on already or this also led to Sephiroth being in dlc pass 2
I had Alpha 2 for PS back in the day and I had always heard that Evil Ryu was in the game but I couldn't figure out how to unlock him. The code for Shin Akuma worked and he was awesome but I wanted to see Evil Ryu so bad, he was confirmed in the Saturn version and I couldn't believe they wouldn't put him in my version. There were so many ridiculous codes I found online, 20+ step methods but nothing worked. I was a naive kid so I wrote a letter to Capcom asking why I couldn't unlock this character, A few weeks went by and I moved on, but to their credit, Capcom wrote me back explaining that Evil Ryu wasn't playable in this version of the game. It was a post card with really cool Alpha 1 artwork of Ken and Ryu on it and I put it on my bulletin board where it stayed for years. In the end that postcard meant more to me than the reason I wrote them in the first place.
When they were talking about "nudalities" Tattoo Assassins actually did that, where they did the thing with covering themselves in embarrassment Also, they talked about the Grinch leak for Ultimate, but not that Artsy Omni Rayman leak for WiiU
1:16 I got it. First, the Street FIghter III had double subtitiles "Second Impact: Giant Attack" "Third Srike: FIght for the future". Second, i've heard that by the time of Third Strike they were close to running out of space in the memory, so whatever 4th version would have been for certain, the final one. With all that considered, it would have been called "Street FIghter III - FInal Match - Decisive vistory !" or something like that, with every future rerelease taking advantage of the second subtitle exemple "Street FIghter III - FInal Match - Ultimate challenger" "Street FIghter III - FInal Match - Online Edition" Street FIghter III - FInal Match - Unlimited battle!" etc...
I remember that goddamned Akuma code for RE2 April Fools joke. You had to beat the game, both scenarios 6 times using only the handgun and knife and type in the name Akuma on the laboratory computer near the end of the game.
_Genuinely_ genuinely, secrets and rumours are what practically fuelled us 80s-90s kids... and at a _bit of a push_ I'd go as far as to say fighting games were kinda built upon them... or at least a few knackered old bricks in the foundations anyways. Every playground talk with the boys back then was either "who would win, Freddy or Jason? Alien or Predator?" or it was "...my cousin, the one you've never met before, fought against a six-armed version of Goro/fought against a
Funny that Matt mentioned Sheng Long having a "trogdor arm", because when thinking about it, Sheng Long would've been literally an inverse trogdor lmao
I actually had (probably still have if I do some digging) every magazine talked about that featured some kind of April Fool's joke for some character unlock. I actually believed the Akuma in RE2 one as well as Sonic and Tails in Smash. Quite the nostalgia trip this episode was for me.
Duuuuuuude Tips & Tricks brings me back. We did the same exact thing back in the day. At the grocery store while my mom was shopping, I'd run over to the magazine section and write down cheats on the shopping list.
MK2 arcade has a way for players to enable free play mode. You enter the EJB menu then do a diagnostic test and press some buttons to get into the operator's menu. Wasn't discovered until a few years ago.
Mewtwo in Melee, Mushroom Kingdom Hearts, and the violent Brawl DLC are the only big rumors I heard as a kid. The last two were obvious fakes thanks to their announcement dates. But for the longest time none of my friends could unlock Mewtwo. I had the most characters unlocked among us and still didn't have 'em, so we were all suspicious if it was even true. It didn't help that Melee had more characters than the actual number of empty slots on the starting character select screen. Rumors were rampant.
Stuff like Mewtwo in Melee, that requires 20 hours of gameplay to unlock, being real also really helped lend credence to Sonic in Melee, which was fake. Like the real unlock conditions are already ridiculous, Mewtwo objectively isn't even the most esoteric character to unlock (since Game & Watch requires additional steps on top of unlocking Mewtwo!), so why not Sonic? Why not violent Brawl? Things are already this ridiculous lol.
Regarding how naive fans can be, back in 2004 or so teenaged me decided out of boredom to make a fake screenshot of Ryo Sakazaki fighting Rolento in Ryu's stage in SFA2, and even though it was very low effort, somehow I managed to convince several people on a forum that the secret was real and Capcom was testing the waters for CVS earlier than people thought.
I had a rumor backfire on me. I told a kid once that if he beat Street Fighter 2 turbo on the highest difficulty, without dying, it would unlock something (can't remember what). Well, he eventually did it and nothing happened, but after that point, any time I would play him I'd get bodied bc he got really good at the game in the process.
The Sonic in Melee rumor may have stemmed from a misunderstanding from E3 2001. Yuji Naka saw Super Smash Bros. Melee at E3 2001, same with Hideo Kojima's son, and both Yuji Naka and Hideo Kojima both met with Masahiro Sakurai and requested for Sonic and Snake, respectively, to be added into Melee. While Sakurai also personally wanted both characters added into Melee, as well as others like Wario, Melee had an infamous tight development period of 14 months, ending before November 2001, and he could not add these characters in time, so he had to wait until Brawl to add them in.
Not gonna lie... the MadMan's Cafe reference activated a part of my brain that's been dormant for the last decade. Used to love going there whenever a new fighting game was doing location tests in Japan to see screenshots and video if you were lucky.
Ok. I LEGIT thought I was crazy; i felt like i knew the Smash Melee troll happened in a magazine, but I got so paranoid after realizing that I was trying it to no avail to get Sonic, Tails and Giga Bowser, that I started thinking maybe I'd dreamt that fake up lol. Im SO glad Matt brought it up. I remember thinking it was so cool though. 8 year old me was determined to get Sonic and Giga Bowser
I'll never forget during Middle School when I discovered New Grounds, I saw Mortal Kombat vs Street Fighter and lost my fucking mind and thought that the 3 movies were the prelude to an actual game. Fast-forward to highschool, there was a grainy picture of Skullomania being confirmed for Super Street Fighter 4 and there were two articles that "backed up" the confirmation. Yeah I fell for the Marvel vs Capcom 3 pictures and Sonic being in Melee AND I did the 24 hour thing with Mewtwo
I remember playing tekken 5 and reading on Internet about tons of tons of characters I didn't unlock (like Armor King or even Jinpachi) and that I had to play the arcade like 500 hundred times in a row
I remember this one kid who tried to convince me that Game & Watch had a Mickey Mouse form in Melee. The way he described it was way too outrageous to be true and nobody believed him for a second.
Nimbus Terrafaux was a gag created by Electronic Gaming Monthly as supposedly a hidden playable character exclusive to the Genesis version of the first Mortal Kombat. He was said to be an African-American kickboxer
At the time my local arcade had a Street Fighter 2 Rainbow board. The one where you can change the player character on the fly pushing the start button and Ryu launch two waving hadouken at the same time. I was so confused I thought Street Fighter 2 Turbo on the SNES will be a cut down version of it...
The craziest thing to me is if you own a Pandora 6 booth (not sure if any other booths do the same), you can see SF2: Rainbow underneath the rest of the legitimate SF releases. Like "here's all your favorite SF games from SF to SF3S and also Rainbow."
A rumor my brother and I believed for a long time was that there was some secret move you could do with Heihachi or any of the Tekken characters during ki charge that was like a one hit kill move. But it had some crazy imput. Well... we were almost right. There are some characters with moves that are different after ki charge. And there are secret moves. Asuka for example
my favorite fighting game rumor was the Super Smash Bro Brawl fan rosters. With over 100 fighters such as Ratchet and Clank, Agent 47, Rayman, the guys from Contra. It was major copium.
Shen Long was in the April 1992 issue. It was in World Warrior. On the same page they had an April Fools contest where they told the readers that somewhere in the magazine was a fake story and if you wrote them a letter and tell them what it was you could win a prize. They received thousands of letters but very few correct guesses. Faked screenshots/photoshops weren't really a thing back then. The issue you are thinking of is the April 1997 issue, which redid the original gag but with SFIII.
I remember reading websites for cheat codes and there were a few that said you could unlock characters like Koopa Troopa and Toad in Super Smash Bros Melee by beating Adventure mode with every character on Very Hard using no continues. I was a gullible kid, never thought people would lie. 😂
I remember an April issue of EGM had a nude code for DOA extreme Beach volleyball. Might have been the sequel. Either way I remember they had screenshots of the characters topless, but with stars covering the characters boobs and all the steps you needed to follow to make the nude code work.
I miss the secrets and rumours in fighters from the 90’s. Walking into your local shop to get a drink seeing a flashy magazine, and then spending 10 minutes reading up on how you could unlock a character in you favourite fighter.
I think some of the biggest secrets in rumors were from Mortal Kombat since a lot of the Ninja characters were rumored for example Ermac and Rain (UMK3) along with smoke and Jade (MK2). I also think the biggest rumor too was shen long in Street Fighter 2 who happened to be Gouken later on. Just hearing Max, Matt, and Justin talk about secrets and rumors is all the entertainment I need.
Regarding Max asking where they got codes from. Well it was quite simple, any codes we didn't get from word of mouth by talking to one another at school/arcades we'd tear the pages out of gaming rags that had the codes in them. Extremely efficient.
I know I am late but the internet got me on Urban Reign. A rank everything and get the boss and his weapon from level 99 which is a freakin sephrioth sword. S rank everything and you get the mayor who is the weakest character in the game but when you fight him he has a Gun, the only one in the game. I red that you get him and the gun, it is all lies and you cant get the gun and you just S ranked urban reign for nothing 😂
When MK Deadly Alliance dropped, i was in 2nd grade, i remember all the kids on the playground saying you can play as Liu-Kang but only in Bo Rai Cho's ending, where Quan Chi impales Bo Rai Cho with a spear, and Liu Kang just runs up, pulls the spear out, and becomes playable in a final boss fight against the Deadly Alliance. Lmao.
Justin: “this isn’t fighting game related, the worst L I ever took in my life was in-” Me: Pokemon Red and Blue Justin: Pokemon Red and Blue Fucking knew it. There was so much bullshit fake information spread around about those games and I fell for a lot of them as well.
The shenlong rumor was around before I was into Streetfighter. By the time I got into Streetfighter, Akuma was a thing. And yeah, Shenlong becoming Gouken I remember people saying. Ryu has a quote that says "You must defeat my shoryuken in order to beat me.". I forget in what game. But it's a reference to that quote.
So speaking of game rumors, y'all know Sammy vs Capcom was semi-officially announced back in the mid-late 2000s or so. Read it on Gamspot. This was when Sammy owned the Guilty Gear cast. The devs wanted to use more Darkstalkers characters than normal for Capcom. And then...nothing afterward. I asked Seth Killian in person years later and he confirmed to me it was a thing, but the announcement came too prematurely before details of the deal could be ironed out. And clearly, they weren't. The CvS3 story reminded me.
When I was a kid, I played the crap out of Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2 on the GameCube. I read up that there was supposedly some way to unlock the Third Hokage to be playable and tried for so many years but found out when I was a teen that it was false info.
Y'all didn't mention it, but the reason why older games like Melee had ridiculous requirements like leaving the game on for 20 hours for Mewtwo was because Japan had a vendetta against rental stores in the early aughts. I can't remember where I learned that but my heart says it was Derek from SSFF?
WOW!!!!!! Madman Cafe, what happened to that website? That's where I read rumors for Sammy vs Capcom and Fatal Fury vs Street Fighter which eventually became CvS.
I remember being dead certain that there was a Mortal Kombat vs Street Fighter in the 90s. I even remember seeing one screenshot. But it was always fake. Maybe later on what I saw was someone's MUGEN but I didn't know what that was at the time.
😺 I think smash bros, melee and the original MK games had the best stories of secret characters and game magazines spreading false secrets , I wasn't alive to witness it in real time 🥺
Idk mortal Kombat but yah Smash melee had the craziest rumor that you could play as Sonic the Hedgehog and Tails .now granted obviously Sonic came to Smash hell he's practically a staple now but at the time that was wild
No fake rumor burns me more than that really old one before SFV season 3 happened there was a rumor of a batch of characters getting in and Roxy was one of them and she was going to fight using her baseball bat. Shit killed me when I found out it was fake
I'm gonna have to say that Capcom have developed a new form of handling leaks and it's them purposefully leaking enough info themselves to counter data mining and fake leaks. Case in point SF6 with the roster intro art and the single commentary lines , RE4R with the gameplay demos leaking Krauser and the new knife mechanics. They're now putting in hidden info in their demos and trailers to whet appetites enough and have a control of the discourse. Whether the SF6 roster leak was intentional or not I think it did more good than harm, which is rare. Edit: Also I think it would be amazing if a Bosch rival fight had him use Adon's (or Sagat's) moveset. Cause he doesn't use Luke's stance, it's a Muay Thai stance
We'll never get this experience again and that's kinda sad. I remember having a GameShark code for Diddy Kong on N64 Smash that only crashed the game and trying for HOURS to get it working.
It's funny how Goukens win Quote says " You Must Defeat ME to stand a chance"!
I love that Gouken's win quote is "You must defeat me to stand a chance!"
Such a cool throwback.
I'll never forget this one. In 2004 when I was in middle school, a new kid just moved here and my friend group became fast friends with him.
One day during gym he said his uncle works at Midway and they're gonna start making MKvsDC. We were all grizzled Vets of the "my uncle works at Nintendo" age so none of us believed him.
Long story short, he was very humble with it and we all got free copies of the game lmao
East coast canadian here, I knew about that trope in elementary in the 2000's. Where did this trope come from?
@@marc-antoinepepin8908 Playground talk during the late 80s, early 90s
1:00:30 People used to say you could unlock Sonic in Super Smash Bros for N64 if you can beat the game on Very Hard with One Life. It was this "impossible" challenge. But I did it after many weeks of practice after hearing about it. As we all know I did not unlock Sonic. Because he wasn't programmed in. But I did get pretty sick at Smash back then. And this was long before the Gamecube even. And people said the same for Melee but no one fell for it. SO... That's why Sonic in Brawl was such a big deal. Good times. Good times.
I remember a similar Smash 64 rumor, but the one I heard was that there were 4 “hidden” characters that had to be unlocked by beating the game on Very Hard with one Stock and you had to use specific characters to unlock them.
The fake hidden characters were: Raichu, Wigglytuff, Giant DK, & Metal Mario; and you would unlock them by using Pikachu, Jigglypuff, DK and Mario respectively. My little bro tried for a year to unlock Raichu before giving up 😂
@@MoDeep1212 yeah Metal Mario and Raichu were ones i also remember for sure. And the Master Hand. They got all of our hopes up for nothing
DOA2 there was a rumor that if you finished off kasumi down in the bottom part of the snow level with Ayane, she would basically perform a ninja art fatality on her. It is real btw
That freaked me out the first I did it hahaha
When I first heard her chanting it freaked me out
I think it helped that one of the intros actually shows off her doing the finisher as well
Thank you Justin, Matt, and Maximillian for this walk down memory lane.
Much like Max had stated a lot of my fellow gamer would just copy the codes out of the magazines and then try to input them. I usually did NOT have much luck in the arcades especially when attempting to fight the Ryo in FF2, Mr Karate in AoF, or Geese in AoF2 especially since none of us knew how to get those secret bosses to unlock back then (had to wait for the homeport and pray that they were included). I remember that I had the dubious luck of playing a lot of the players in MvC2 that would use the hidden characters (via the select screen).
Really had high hopes for that 2D version of MvC3 but alas that fake is never meant to be.
Had a lot of laughs watching this episode, thanks again gents.
The Dramatic Mode in Alpha 3 arcade (hold 3Ks before pressing Start from Main Menu) holds special to me and my then-6 year old son.
It was our go-to way of bonding by beating up a wannabe dictator 2v1 style...
Even now that he's 14, we sometimes fire up our old emulator in my old laptop to play Alpha 3...
1:05:50 Okay Marcus Fenix for MK9 this was a fun rumor that I think a lot of people forget where some of this came from.
It all started when Gamespot was holding an online tourney for greatest video game villain of all time.
They took two villains paired them in brackets and people would vote, one of the match ups they had was Shao Kahn vs General Raam.
Which would of been well enough to get the MK Community all riled up. But this before MK9's release, all sorts of rumors and speculations we're going around about who would be revealed next after the E3 trailer.
So Ed Boon decided to light a fire and said if Shao Kahn won that poll he'd reveal a new character teasing people with a picture of a woman's leg in a red boot. (This was later revealed to be Skarlet.)
After that poll fakes of Marcus Fenix in MK started circulating
Edit: The fact Justin mentions "The Boot." Makes me so happy
Not fighting game related, but I remember SO MANY "Bring back Aeris!" cheats and secrets for FF7.
The detail that everyone forgets about the EGM April Fool's joke on Sheng Long is that on the bottom of the very same page they announce that there is a fake article in that issue and ran a contest to see who can guess which one it was. Apparently most entries were not correct.
The biggest one I remember trying was unlocking Kazuya in Tekken 3. I think it was like 100 versus matches in one sitting, and then he was supposed to unlock?
I wasted many an evening as a kid shooting for that.
That’s hilarious because it’s like people wanted him to come back to life then he did in the next game hah.
Still remember playing Ocarina of Time over and over and over because it was rumored if you beat the game without dying, got all of the gold skultulas, got every piece of heart, and played the Song of Time backwards that you could open up a special portal in the Temple of Time to get the Tri-Force lol.
PLEASE do that SF storyline cast. It’s hilarious madness.
They should react together to the video "The Insane Lore of Street Fighter"
This is something that I really miss. In the old days before we could learn everything online, I loved the mystique that floated around where wacky rumours like Shen Long COULD be real.
Justin hit the nail on the head for me, Sonic in Melee made sense to me as a kid cause of Mewtwo's crazy unlock conditions, lol.
It didn't help that a lot of these fake characters and stuff weren't just printed in EGM, they would find themselves on code and cheat websites back in the day and I would spend a lot of time trying to unlock things that weren't real 😅
You're telling me man, I remember spending months trying to unlock Oxide in Crash Team Racing, or finding fake codes that let you play as Dark Tooth in Twisted Metal. God, finding out they were fakes pissed me the hell off.
Man even mk11 has hidden stuff behind codes in the towers of time, so cool that they still continue that legacy as NRS
I'm taking credit for this after suggesting this topic in a previous episode lol. Looking forward to it!
You and me both, I did it in the last one on a whim
I think the funny thing that came out after Sora was released for Smash is that Disney was kinda just perfectly happy to have Sora in Smash, it was Square Enix that was being so weird about it, despite the fact that Cloud was already in the game and Sephiroth was wither being worked on already or this also led to Sephiroth being in dlc pass 2
It was ultimately Tetsyu Nomura who was the most hesitant one on adding Sora in Smash.
I had Alpha 2 for PS back in the day and I had always heard that Evil Ryu was in the game but I couldn't figure out how to unlock him. The code for Shin Akuma worked and he was awesome but I wanted to see Evil Ryu so bad, he was confirmed in the Saturn version and I couldn't believe they wouldn't put him in my version. There were so many ridiculous codes I found online, 20+ step methods but nothing worked. I was a naive kid so I wrote a letter to Capcom asking why I couldn't unlock this character, A few weeks went by and I moved on, but to their credit, Capcom wrote me back explaining that Evil Ryu wasn't playable in this version of the game. It was a post card with really cool Alpha 1 artwork of Ken and Ryu on it and I put it on my bulletin board where it stayed for years. In the end that postcard meant more to me than the reason I wrote them in the first place.
Mega Man getting a hadouken in Mega Man X that could one hit kill bosses was the greatest secret that turned out to be a reality that I can think of.
Oh? This was a topic I wanted to see! I can't wait to see what kinda stuff they heard over the years
When they were talking about "nudalities" Tattoo Assassins actually did that, where they did the thing with covering themselves in embarrassment
Also, they talked about the Grinch leak for Ultimate, but not that Artsy Omni Rayman leak for WiiU
1:16 I got it.
First, the Street FIghter III had double subtitiles "Second Impact: Giant Attack" "Third Srike: FIght for the future". Second, i've heard that by the time of Third Strike they were close to running out of space in the memory, so whatever 4th version would have been for certain, the final one.
With all that considered, it would have been called "Street FIghter III - FInal Match - Decisive vistory !" or something like that, with every future rerelease taking advantage of the second subtitle exemple "Street FIghter III - FInal Match - Ultimate challenger" "Street FIghter III - FInal Match - Online Edition" Street FIghter III - FInal Match - Unlimited battle!" etc...
I remember that goddamned Akuma code for RE2 April Fools joke. You had to beat the game, both scenarios 6 times using only the handgun and knife and type in the name Akuma on the laboratory computer near the end of the game.
_Genuinely_ genuinely, secrets and rumours are what practically fuelled us 80s-90s kids... and at a _bit of a push_ I'd go as far as to say fighting games were kinda built upon them... or at least a few knackered old bricks in the foundations anyways.
Every playground talk with the boys back then was either "who would win, Freddy or Jason? Alien or Predator?" or it was "...my cousin, the one you've never met before, fought against a six-armed version of Goro/fought against a
Funny that Matt mentioned Sheng Long having a "trogdor arm", because when thinking about it, Sheng Long would've been literally an inverse trogdor lmao
Sheng Long was a dragon!
I mean, he was a man-dragon!
Uh, maybe he was just a man... Um...
But he was still SHENG LOOOOOOOOONG!
I actually had (probably still have if I do some digging) every magazine talked about that featured some kind of April Fool's joke for some character unlock. I actually believed the Akuma in RE2 one as well as Sonic and Tails in Smash. Quite the nostalgia trip this episode was for me.
Duuuuuuude Tips & Tricks brings me back. We did the same exact thing back in the day. At the grocery store while my mom was shopping, I'd run over to the magazine section and write down cheats on the shopping list.
Same! Lol I thought I was alone 😅
MK2 arcade has a way for players to enable free play mode. You enter the EJB menu then do a diagnostic test and press some buttons to get into the operator's menu. Wasn't discovered until a few years ago.
Au contrar, that was something I did *NOT* know
Mewtwo in Melee, Mushroom Kingdom Hearts, and the violent Brawl DLC are the only big rumors I heard as a kid. The last two were obvious fakes thanks to their announcement dates. But for the longest time none of my friends could unlock Mewtwo. I had the most characters unlocked among us and still didn't have 'em, so we were all suspicious if it was even true. It didn't help that Melee had more characters than the actual number of empty slots on the starting character select screen. Rumors were rampant.
Stuff like Mewtwo in Melee, that requires 20 hours of gameplay to unlock, being real also really helped lend credence to Sonic in Melee, which was fake. Like the real unlock conditions are already ridiculous, Mewtwo objectively isn't even the most esoteric character to unlock (since Game & Watch requires additional steps on top of unlocking Mewtwo!), so why not Sonic? Why not violent Brawl? Things are already this ridiculous lol.
Yeah, I've been waiting for this!
Alright, that's cool!
Regarding how naive fans can be, back in 2004 or so teenaged me decided out of boredom to make a fake screenshot of Ryo Sakazaki fighting Rolento in Ryu's stage in SFA2, and even though it was very low effort, somehow I managed to convince several people on a forum that the secret was real and Capcom was testing the waters for CVS earlier than people thought.
I had a rumor backfire on me. I told a kid once that if he beat Street Fighter 2 turbo on the highest difficulty, without dying, it would unlock something (can't remember what). Well, he eventually did it and nothing happened, but after that point, any time I would play him I'd get bodied bc he got really good at the game in the process.
The Sonic in Melee rumor may have stemmed from a misunderstanding from E3 2001. Yuji Naka saw Super Smash Bros. Melee at E3 2001, same with Hideo Kojima's son, and both Yuji Naka and Hideo Kojima both met with Masahiro Sakurai and requested for Sonic and Snake, respectively, to be added into Melee. While Sakurai also personally wanted both characters added into Melee, as well as others like Wario, Melee had an infamous tight development period of 14 months, ending before November 2001, and he could not add these characters in time, so he had to wait until Brawl to add them in.
Not gonna lie... the MadMan's Cafe reference activated a part of my brain that's been dormant for the last decade. Used to love going there whenever a new fighting game was doing location tests in Japan to see screenshots and video if you were lucky.
Can confirm massive amounts of Tips and Tricks usage in my childhood.
Ok. I LEGIT thought I was crazy; i felt like i knew the Smash Melee troll happened in a magazine, but I got so paranoid after realizing that I was trying it to no avail to get Sonic, Tails and Giga Bowser, that I started thinking maybe I'd dreamt that fake up lol. Im SO glad Matt brought it up. I remember thinking it was so cool though. 8 year old me was determined to get Sonic and Giga Bowser
An episode on MUGEN would be awesome. Love the show!
I hope SF6 makes akuma an unlockable story character rather than DLC. Just bring back that shit please
I'll never forget during Middle School when I discovered New Grounds, I saw Mortal Kombat vs Street Fighter and lost my fucking mind and thought that the 3 movies were the prelude to an actual game.
Fast-forward to highschool, there was a grainy picture of Skullomania being confirmed for Super Street Fighter 4 and there were two articles that "backed up" the confirmation.
Yeah I fell for the Marvel vs Capcom 3 pictures and Sonic being in Melee AND I did the 24 hour thing with Mewtwo
I remember playing tekken 5 and reading on Internet about tons of tons of characters I didn't unlock (like Armor King or even Jinpachi) and that I had to play the arcade like 500 hundred times in a row
First fighting game secret was the button in International Karate + that makes your pants fall down.
I remember this one kid who tried to convince me that Game & Watch had a Mickey Mouse form in Melee. The way he described it was way too outrageous to be true and nobody believed him for a second.
I'm glad nobody praised the grinch leak here, hands down the dumbest smash leak that everyone seemed to believe.
Sheng Long just sounds cool
Sheng’s Dong amirite?
1:16:23 Pffft, "Fourth Down"... 😆
Be on the lookout for the next installment: *Street Fighter III: Fifth FUMBLE!!* ➿️🏈🤣
Nimbus Terrafaux was a gag created by Electronic Gaming Monthly as supposedly a hidden playable character exclusive to the Genesis version of the first Mortal Kombat. He was said to be an African-American kickboxer
At the time my local arcade had a Street Fighter 2 Rainbow board. The one where you can change the player character on the fly pushing the start button and Ryu launch two waving hadouken at the same time. I was so confused I thought Street Fighter 2 Turbo on the SNES will be a cut down version of it...
The craziest thing to me is if you own a Pandora 6 booth (not sure if any other booths do the same), you can see SF2: Rainbow underneath the rest of the legitimate SF releases. Like "here's all your favorite SF games from SF to SF3S and also
Rainbow."
Omg! These manscaped promos are freaking hilarious!! 🤣🤣
A rumor my brother and I believed for a long time was that there was some secret move you could do with Heihachi or any of the Tekken characters during ki charge that was like a one hit kill move. But it had some crazy imput. Well... we were almost right. There are some characters with moves that are different after ki charge. And there are secret moves. Asuka for example
Please advertise this more yo... love this lol
"Chun Li will turn into a giant foot" No that's Juri
my favorite fighting game rumor was the Super Smash Bro Brawl fan rosters.
With over 100 fighters such as Ratchet and Clank, Agent 47, Rayman, the guys from Contra. It was major copium.
Shen Long was in the April 1992 issue. It was in World Warrior. On the same page they had an April Fools contest where they told the readers that somewhere in the magazine was a fake story and if you wrote them a letter and tell them what it was you could win a prize. They received thousands of letters but very few correct guesses. Faked screenshots/photoshops weren't really a thing back then. The issue you are thinking of is the April 1997 issue, which redid the original gag but with SFIII.
Just an FYI... Sheng Long is in street fighter 6 world tour.
And a title of the last fighter pass
I remember reading websites for cheat codes and there were a few that said you could unlock characters like Koopa Troopa and Toad in Super Smash Bros Melee by beating Adventure mode with every character on Very Hard using no continues. I was a gullible kid, never thought people would lie. 😂
I remember an April issue of EGM had a nude code for DOA extreme Beach volleyball. Might have been the sequel. Either way I remember they had screenshots of the characters topless, but with stars covering the characters boobs and all the steps you needed to follow to make the nude code work.
Love this Episode!!!!🔥🔥
I miss the secrets and rumours in fighters from the 90’s.
Walking into your local shop to get a drink seeing a flashy magazine, and then spending 10 minutes reading up on how you could unlock a character in you favourite fighter.
Tips and tricks was my favorite magazine
I think some of the biggest secrets in rumors were from Mortal Kombat since a lot of the Ninja characters were rumored for example Ermac and Rain (UMK3) along with smoke and Jade (MK2).
I also think the biggest rumor too was shen long in Street Fighter 2 who happened to be Gouken later on. Just hearing Max, Matt, and Justin talk about secrets and rumors is all the entertainment I need.
Regarding Max asking where they got codes from. Well it was quite simple, any codes we didn't get from word of mouth by talking to one another at school/arcades we'd tear the pages out of gaming rags that had the codes in them. Extremely efficient.
I know I am late but the internet got me on Urban Reign. A rank everything and get the boss and his weapon from level 99 which is a freakin sephrioth sword. S rank everything and you get the mayor who is the weakest character in the game but when you fight him he has a Gun, the only one in the game. I red that you get him and the gun, it is all lies and you cant get the gun and you just S ranked urban reign for nothing 😂
Holy shit. Core memory unlocked w hearing the word nudeality again
When MK Deadly Alliance dropped, i was in 2nd grade, i remember all the kids on the playground saying you can play as Liu-Kang but only in Bo Rai Cho's ending, where Quan Chi impales Bo Rai Cho with a spear, and Liu Kang just runs up, pulls the spear out, and becomes playable in a final boss fight against the Deadly Alliance. Lmao.
Goat ad segment
Justin: “this isn’t fighting game related, the worst L I ever took in my life was in-”
Me: Pokemon Red and Blue
Justin: Pokemon Red and Blue
Fucking knew it. There was so much bullshit fake information spread around about those games and I fell for a lot of them as well.
The shenlong rumor was around before I was into Streetfighter. By the time I got into Streetfighter, Akuma was a thing. And yeah, Shenlong becoming Gouken I remember people saying.
Ryu has a quote that says "You must defeat my shoryuken in order to beat me.". I forget in what game. But it's a reference to that quote.
I used to have this EGM back in the day.
Lmfao, I tried the Pokemon secret too that Justin brought up. 😅😅
Love this kind of content, maybe 3D Capcom Games Talk?
Gouken's very first appearance is the Street Fighter Alpha manga back in 1995.
I agree on the SF story episode but only if they make the last bit of the episode them giving their guess on what the story will be for SF6
But goku was in dragon power on NES in 1986 one year after the 1st super mario bros came out. He is a damn video character
So speaking of game rumors, y'all know Sammy vs Capcom was semi-officially announced back in the mid-late 2000s or so. Read it on Gamspot. This was when Sammy owned the Guilty Gear cast. The devs wanted to use more Darkstalkers characters than normal for Capcom. And then...nothing afterward.
I asked Seth Killian in person years later and he confirmed to me it was a thing, but the announcement came too prematurely before details of the deal could be ironed out. And clearly, they weren't. The CvS3 story reminded me.
When I was a kid, I played the crap out of Naruto: Clash of Ninja 2 on the GameCube. I read up that there was supposedly some way to unlock the Third Hokage to be playable and tried for so many years but found out when I was a teen that it was false info.
I can see wanting that because he’s a iconic part 1 character i feel bad for you falling for that sadly you believed the genjutsu.
Onimusha Dawn of Dreams had Street Fighter characters skins
Soki is Ryu, Roberto is Guile, Akane is Cammy, Ohatsu is Chun Li, and Tenkai is Ken
Y'all didn't mention it, but the reason why older games like Melee had ridiculous requirements like leaving the game on for 20 hours for Mewtwo was because Japan had a vendetta against rental stores in the early aughts. I can't remember where I learned that but my heart says it was Derek from SSFF?
I hope they do an episode on Fighting Game Spinoffs and Spinoff Fighting Games
I remember when people were saying that the fought Shen Long way back around the time SFII CE was in the arcades
Ill never forget the godzilla destroy all monsters code on the Gamecube/Xbox to input cheats
Hold in order L + B + R
Release in order B + R + L
I'm still waiting for that artist episode MAX!
The Grinch leak also known as proof that gamers will believe anything if it tells them what they want to here
It was a few years ago before I found out Sonic in Melee was fake. I was so convinced as a kid that Sonic was unlockable!
I had that EGM issue, it was early 90s when super Nintendo first released their SF2 port to console.
I always thought Street Fighter III: Forth Call to Battle would be a money name
WOW!!!!!! Madman Cafe, what happened to that website? That's where I read rumors for Sammy vs Capcom and Fatal Fury vs Street Fighter which eventually became CvS.
Tips & Tricks was the goat
need a podcast about beat em up games
I forget who has the t rex animality but its literally a png of the junior t rex from kenner's jurassic park toyline lmao
I remember being dead certain that there was a Mortal Kombat vs Street Fighter in the 90s. I even remember seeing one screenshot. But it was always fake. Maybe later on what I saw was someone's MUGEN but I didn't know what that was at the time.
He looks like Dante / Nero. And plays like Steve Fox from SXT
😺 I think smash bros, melee and the original MK games had the best stories of secret characters and game magazines spreading false secrets , I wasn't alive to witness it in real time 🥺
Idk mortal Kombat but yah Smash melee had the craziest rumor that you could play as Sonic the Hedgehog and Tails .now granted obviously Sonic came to Smash hell he's practically a staple now but at the time that was wild
Akuma gonna be selling oranges at the farmers market in Metro City. Mark my words!
No fake rumor burns me more than that really old one before SFV season 3 happened there was a rumor of a batch of characters getting in and Roxy was one of them and she was going to fight using her baseball bat. Shit killed me when I found out it was fake
I'm gonna have to say that Capcom have developed a new form of handling leaks and it's them purposefully leaking enough info themselves to counter data mining and fake leaks.
Case in point SF6 with the roster intro art and the single commentary lines , RE4R with the gameplay demos leaking Krauser and the new knife mechanics.
They're now putting in hidden info in their demos and trailers to whet appetites enough and have a control of the discourse. Whether the SF6 roster leak was intentional or not I think it did more good than harm, which is rare.
Edit: Also I think it would be amazing if a Bosch rival fight had him use Adon's (or Sagat's) moveset. Cause he doesn't use Luke's stance, it's a Muay Thai stance
Kabal was an ant eater from what I remember, smoke turned into a bull.
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We'll never get this experience again and that's kinda sad. I remember having a GameShark code for Diddy Kong on N64 Smash that only crashed the game and trying for HOURS to get it working.
I'm halfway thru but wondering if ff7 play as sepiroth on disc 3 comes up..
For a name for the 4th Street Fighter III game. I've got 2.
-4rd Attack
-4th Mix
SFIII: Built 4rd Tough