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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- We review the NEW 2023 G87 M2 from Cotswold BMW and see if it's worth upgrading from your old F87 M2...?
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The F87 M2 CS is a pure beauty
G87 got way more road presence
Really? I think it looks awful. To each his own but the prior model is significantly better designed.
@@creamfalcon have u seen in person? Saw a black 1 and it way wider and aggressive than the f80
@@Mac-ox7ow I have. Just really dislike the design especially the rear and the front is too squared off. However, I really like the wheels on new one. They are far better looking than the old
@@creamfalconexactly, it literally looks like a midget 3 series from 2008
the F87 is what made me want a bmw, the last time that happpened was the e46
my thoughts exactly!
The thing about BMW's that grow on you, is that they usually look great for a lot longer than rivals that appeal on day 1.
Like the all black seats on this car. More subtle than the red/blue striped ones seen in other reviews.
Pick up the past gen M2 while you can guys. None of the new G series M cars are holding value well. They're all lease returns and nobody is keeping them for long after driving them. It's not about performance anymore. Every M car this gen is fast as hell but getting uglier and uglier. If you can't make a good looking design then stick with the old look like Porsche has done for decades.
Currently in a F87 OG M2 and loving it.. but I love the look of the new G80 M3, they look insane with the new headlights + a splitter sorts out the front grill completely. The interior with carbon buckets is something special too.
There’s already 2021 plate M3’s up for high 50s £60k🤣 and they’re still under warranty! I’m hoping they’ll continue to plummet and I’ll pick one up for 45/50k in maybe a year or two 👌🏻 that’s when they’re worth it.
Great review Will as I said on Instagram earlier the interior is another level compared to my F87 , but it just feels so big on the road to me, I didn’t like the pictures when they were first out but as you said in person it’s not that bad except the bottom of the front grill . After I tested it last week I thought hard about exchanging but to me a car should make you look back when you get out and I’m not sure the G87 will ever do that for me.
Thanks mate!!
I think you’re right there. Unlike an iPhone upgrade every few years, I’d think you’d miss trading in your f87 for the g87 ☹️
Even tho it’s a great car in itself
The high, long hood in combination with the high seating position of the non-carbon chairs makes it feel like you're in an SUV
One of the best reviews I’ve seen mate. Very fair, honest and relevant to what I want to know. Well done 👍
Thank you mate 👊🏼 appreciate the feedback
Definitely a really balanced and I think fair review mate. The interior is lovely, exterior, I’m still coming round to… slowly. The whole car has definitely ‘grown up’ but I think it’s quite sad, because I don’t think it needed to! No doubt however the new CS etc will hopefully bring back some of the character and more ‘hardcore’ edge. Having said that, lovely daily though… but then so is an M240i
Thanks mate! 👊🏼
‘Grown up’ is a fantastic way of putting it & you’re right. Something that should be left for the m3/4 cars.
Looking forward to the cs variant !
My next car is going to be an M240i.
I will make it very simple decision-making process for you: 2 absolute best all around BMWs are 2020 M2CS and 2024 M3CS. Both can do it all! You just need to decide if you need 2 or 4 doors. You will love either one.
Totally agree about the ZF8. WOT powershifts are kind of fun, but otherwise, it's either jerky (as in novice driver jerky) in S3 or slow in S1 and S2 modes. It actually felt like the flywheel is waaay too heavy. To make it feel crisper, they even play bassy sounds during shifts, lol.
Overall the front and rear end have massive grip, but the car feels very digital and you end-up doing silly speeds, whereas the F87 was more fun without risking your license too much.
And an F87 with better geo and wider tires will rotate just as well.
Digital! That’s a good way to describe the new g87 vs f87
You said it extremely well in your last sentence!
Old M2 CS all the way. I know the new M2 is faster but the looks and rarity of the F87 is hard to ignore.
Keeping and modding m2c for sure
I purchased an m2 cs yesterday and had the choice of buying one of these but not really a fan of its look. The new tech is great but you really need to love what you're walking towards. Hopefully the CS version makes them look nicer. Your car sounds great btw.
Pretty good analysis of the old M2 and the new M2.
But my take on it:
An M2 is not meant to be a daily usable sports car and that BMW now thinks otherwise, I personally think this is a turnaround that cannot be reconciled with the original idea Of "M-Sport" cars!
BMW seems to have lost track for a while now, given also the multiple strange design deviations of several models that are really no improvement, in my humble opinion.
As for the new M2, apart from the not very pleasing-looking model, the lack of Angel Eyes alone is also a signal to me that the current leadership at BMW has lost track quite a bit.
I own an M2 and, given BMW's current trend, that may well be my last....
instead of those odd looking flags and stripes on the sides, I think the side badge above the front wheel arches would look better. maybe even carry over the black bottom sides from the M240i too. the S58 is what makes this car so good though. id like to drop the S58 in the old M2 Comp!
Could probably be done, an engine swap 🤔
Agree with everything except for having lower black bits like the M240, I love the body colored rockers and side of the diffuser. Those M performance fender flicks and winglets look tacky and unnecessary, looks much cleaner without them.
Just drop it with some spacers, throw on a front splitter and a better trunk spoiler lip and this thing looks brutally good!
F87 is still CBU in germany, G87 is made in mexico....
F87 is a playful car, G87 is a fast car....
F87 is best lokin wif sharp curve, G87 loks SQ tat dun las long
Driving a german QC car wif satisfaction tats F87
F87. OG to be specific! Tuned by Bend Calibration 💪🏾
I like the g87 ngl. Not a fan of any ot those M performance parts. BMW needs to leave that stuff to the aftermarket companies
Agreed! Some awesome kits that are available for the g80/82s!
F87 without any doubt .......
The F87 is basically the peak baby M car. It looks stunning, it's fast, it's fun, and it's not too heavy or big.
F87 M2 comp is 1657 kg with full tank, its quite heavy too
@@KarolMaciejewski-b5z It's not a lightweight I agree, but it's not like the M4 which is nearing 2 ton.
M2 CS is just beautifull and very unique, especialy from front, with that hexagon modern angel eyes signature. G87 is just NEW,, but cube design will loose attraction very soon…and i yes, i saw many times g87 life. Its a huge GT car now like m4. Im not hater, g87 is quite ok to me, bud f87 CS is another level of design.
I always thought E9x non-M and all F8x M cars had artificially heavy steering. My Z4M had the best steering of any BMW I have driven and it was very light, lighter than an E92 335i and lighter than my F87 M2 Competition. I don't think weight is necessarily correlated with feel or being good steering. The E36 had telepathic steering and was a bit heavy but I don't think that relationship has held over time. Actually, my old 2010 Mazda 3 has better steering feel than most modern cars but it is very light.
Just to add something about the hanging exhausts... there is actually a reason for them. nothing to do with being rushed etc... The hanging exhaust is a design feature for the M-Cars for better top speed. It is to eliminate the parachute effect from the rear bumper and create a cleaner streamlined airflow under the vehicle.This information came up during the development of a rear race diffuser for the F87 from a German engineering company.
Makes sense.
But that doesn't explain the OG M2.... that didnt have a hanging udder and is an M car
@@MrHCars the OG wasn’t really a real M.
No under floor M Aero, no M Mirrors no M seats etc etc. I have the M2 OG and Comp. The exhaust on the M2 OG is a modified M240i exhaust. The M2 also doesn’t have the option to exceed 250km/h from factory like all other M cars do
@@Hobby_Racer you’re playing with fire with that statement. I’m not coming to save you when the other viewers see it 😂
What about M5 then? No rear udder on that?
@@MrHCars haha no all good. I own my OG M2 since 2018 and love it!! I even got 102.000km on it. Especially the sound. Only have the M2 comp since 2 months and it sounds kinda trash compared 😂😂
But back to the Aero. The M5, M6 and M8 all have factory diffusers. The exhausts are twin pipe right and left and in the middle there are aero plates and even air tunnels for better high speed. There are more options on these higher priced cars than with the M2/M3/M4.
Darker colors perfectly complement the boxy aggressive look
This was a good and fair review as you talked about most the things ive noticed about both the F87 and G87. For example, the exhaust "utter" and i really dont like the spoedo and tach on the G87. I just want normal looking gauges. I owned an original 2017 M2.
It's sad that the old model looks like the new model.
Great spec on that cs! 🤌🏼
The new m2 looks like it’s JDM.
That carbon pack on the G87. 🤮
As an M2C owner I can't see any added value of owning this new M2. The next real step up is super car.
good on bmw for the auto trans! dat always needs huge$$$ down the road for repairs
Great vid! Are you lining one up when the gt4 comes off finance?!
I saw a new one at a dealer next to the old M2, which I think now looks a bit dated. Quite like the square/ boxy shape. Loose the extra aero bits, lowering springs and sorted
Ha no not yet, GT4 is sticking with me for a the time being.
Agreed! Some tasteful mods can make the g87 look really good
The new M2 is highly constricted, it needs a stage 1 remap to bring out the potential. Great review 😊
I hear what you are saying but what about the warranty and insurance implications??
@@hpman911 if you got the money to mod BMWs then you oviously don't care about warranty
@@jamesrick7351 also in the UK insurance premiums are going through the roof due to the escalating cost of repairs and theft due to “keyless go”. As a result of this many companies won’t accept modifications and if they do the cost is crazy.
Great video!!! 😂 if I say so myself
The new M2 is top ❤
Great review, its rare to find a genuinely objective and balanced reviews these days
Thanks Jason! Appreciate the feedback 👊🏼
The new M2 is a beast. Finally the size of a Classic: M3 e46
F87 was beautiful from day one. G87 is a sight for sore eyes.
Keep your F87 CS and wait to see what the G87 CS offers. I'd still keep the F87 CS.
Great video as always 👏🏻👏🏻 The updates on the iD8 is up and coming taking it to iD8.5, which has taking on board customer feedback. Remember you can always use the 'Personal Assistant' function, which allows certain commands to be carried out, without the need to touch the screen etc. Looking forward to the next video.
Ah yes forgot the assistant 😅
Can tell I’m used to “old” 2018 tech
8.5 will be interesting to see. There’s a reason bmw still make the eBay infotainment.
Appreciate the feedback Tim 👊🏼
Also can’t you use the rotary control rather than touching the screen?
Nice video mate, good job 🤙🏾
Thanks dude 👊🏼 appreciate it
Very good review. I personally really like the styling of the new G87 M2 while I was never a huge fan of the F87. The issue is the new cars are so neutered that they don't feel special unless you are doing 100mph. I recently test drove the G80 M3 and was shocked that it feels more like a 5series saloon than an M3. My F80 maybe stiff and have a DCT that is jerky at slow speeds but it is raw experience and actually requires you to drive it. The new M cars can be driven by any random person, there is no edge to them which is great for sitting in traffic, sipping coffee and checking social media.
You are absolutely right I have a 23 M240X Dr. and it’s definitely only fun once you start to get on it. Besides you actually Horning around it is very nice and comfortable to live with essentially what BMW was going for is a daily driver that looks good and goes fast while being comfortable and they’re trying to move away from the more F-series sports car chassis.
Why is there an ad like every 5 minutes lol
The old car is a work of art compared to the new one. The design of the new M2 is so wrong in so many ways. I’m sure it will sell, as they say there is beauty in the beholder, just like the person I saw today driving a Bentley Bentayga😂. Sorry but you can have all the money in the world, but it doesn’t automatically give you good taste!
My F87 Comp is coming up to three years old. While it is having it's brake fluid changed next month, I will have a test drive of the G87 but to be honest it is not making my wallet twitch!🤔
The new M2 is really a smaller version of M3 and M4. Keeping my OG M2^^
"Blocky"...lol well said!
Personally if I was looking to trade up to the new M2cs I'd have to know aside from the clear cabin development does the new car do the job of driving better because its a lot of money for a new dashboard otherwise.
Love the Bauhaus look of the G87....
Dope car. Wish the steering was heavier. Might upgrade to one from a GR Supra 3.0
That steering is very light too, I know this because I own one. Really hate the overall light steering
G87 is going next to my F87 in a few years
You should try the m240i RWD and compare it to the new M2
I’m glad I didn’t see this review before getting my 2023 M2C. It’s amazing…and I traded in a 2020 M2C. I hope all of the fan boys have a great time commenting. I’m just chilling with my new 2023 M2C.
Was looking to trade the JCW up to a F series M240i, but the finance is currently a disgusting 12.9% at most dealers. And for BMW approved used they are at 13.9% 🤮🤮
Tried Charles & Dean? 🤓 tell them I sent you 🤪
Best review I ever got thank you
Glad I could help! Appreciate the feedback 👊🏼
Let’s cut straight to the chase. The G87 is a Lego set assembled in Mexico and looks similar to a thoroughly used public toilet. But that F87 is a timeless and beautiful masterpiece and the last true M2 made in Germany
new one actually looks better/more aggressive. no doubt it'll also be a better driving machine like the g80/82 is over the f80/82.
Has the older one sold can’t find it on their site
I'm fascinated by these M2's.. This is coming from a C7 Corvette owner. Regarding the financing.. Why would a guy only put down $4500.. That's crazy! Should put down at least 20k. JMO of course.
Maybe not quite as exotic / Supercar feeling. But definitely extremely engaging.
Not financial advice, but not everyone can afford a deposit that’s 1/3 of the car value + some would rather deposit less and keep 15k in their bank for other things
@@MrHCars I get that, I don't use all my money on a down payment either, but $1000/mo? 80% of people can't do that. I wish I could find one of these cars to drive.
@@failingup4907 oh I get you. Put more down so the monthly’s are more manageable.
For sure! But shows how expensive these cars currently are in 2023 😕
@@MrHCars I totally agree and the out of control interest.
I AM AGREE WITH YOU , THE NEW M2 LOOKS EXTRANGE , LOOKS LIKE THE FIRS ONE 1M WHAT LOOKS LIKE A FRANKEINSTEIN!!!
No usable back seats tho
i have an m2 cs, for me thé only move now is porsche…i can’t understand what BMW are doing to their long term fans, the new pricing strategy and design is not for me
yr
traded my 16 in for a 24 its on order
Unfortunately you can only get the new M2 in black to hide some of the ugliness. The previous model looked good in any color.
I dont get why anyone would buy one of these over a 1 year old m3/m4? It doesnt make any sense to me. They are a similar weight and less performance. You might aswell get the larger car with more power and better looks for the same money.
These cars are sooo good under 49,999 miles cause once they hit 50,000 miles...well. lol
F87 anytime of the day
That’s my m2cs…I wouldn’t even consider the new m2
F87 looks like a generic matchbox/hot wheel.
Giddy up Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stock exhaust?
Completely stock
New one looks absolutely wank 😂😂😂😂😂
I love the color
The G87 is objectively better in every way. But it looks horrible. So it’s hard to pick.
Do voice commands work for climate control?
Yep they do
Great video bro
Thanks mate ❤️❤️
I have a feeling the new M2 would chew up and spit out the RS3! Would love to get your GT4 next to our 4C as well!
That is an interesting feeling!
Still need to get together mate 👊🏼
M2cs looks way better than G87....
On a serious note though the new 2 is a very good looking car although it looks huge compared to the old m2 comp. Also been harsh on the dct gearbox. Mine was never jerky at all. I had the e60 m5 now thats a jerky gearbox
DCT > ZF forever
@@MrHCars forever
@@MrHCars Still better than g82 on performance wise?
Nice watch
❤😎💪🏽M2!!!
Ugly car, I'll stick to my m2c or do what you did and get a 718 gt4
Li still couldn't found any reason or excuse to say G series beautiful. To me it's very ugly.
new m2 JUST LOOK..yaki
These are overpriced. Look at the residual, less than 50%. The old one was always c51% which also makes a big difference!
It's nice to see M DIVISION releasing a new true M looking car (G87)
Exudes Testosterone and masculinity ...... it will go down as a classic...... a little heavy but for purists I'd say clubsport it with a light strip etc ?
Pisses over all previous M cars minus probably E46 csl and 1m and e92
You’re smoking crack
You cannot say its more masculine when it drives easily, also it loss the representative angel eyes which was practically the most representative feature of the BMW models
keep it !!! This Car its like every new bmw, ugly af. And i was a bmw fan x)
Seems line a no go for me
Keep the old. That thing looks like dog shit. The old one is alot more fun to drive too.
You keep blowing out your mic
I'll keep my old M2comp and just add another M2comp to it (once it is available). To my opnion, the new M2 cannot replace the old one, its more of a small M4 to my opinion, but then without that obnoxious pig's nose.
yes, blocky.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Everything about the G87 is super unattractive, even it's aero upgrades.
Sounds like a very biased review. If you liked the F87 better just say that.
F87 M2 all day. The new one looks hideously disgusting.
G87>F87
I will keep my m2cs....G87 is ugly
The new offering is one of the ugliest cars they've ever produced, personally i couldn't stomach it, I'd sooner go and get a Benz or an Audi, it's the old one firvme
Not only I kept my old M2CS but I actually bought a second one. Now I have one of each: a 6MT and a DCT. New one is hideous looking. DCT is a better trans IMHO. I just hope that the NEW M2CS will be a big improvement over the base new M2 car.
Haha that’s a true M2 fan!!
You’re one lucky sob 😂
@@MrHCars best BMW since the E46 IMHO.
@@timmietz I need your advice please. I used to have a manual 370z years ago then sold it. Now after not having a sports car since then, I’m in the market for an F87 or G87. Im on the fence. I’ve never owned a BMW before and have always admired the M2. I want something that is fun to drive as the most important factor. I want precise steering / handling, acceleration, good braking and feel for the road. From all the videos I’ve watched it seems the F87 gives you most of that vs. the new G87. I also prefer the styling of the prior gen compared to the new G87.
There’s a few F87 M2 comps I found online in pristine condition with only 9k miles for $ 60k. There are used G87s so I just want to make the right choice. I’m really good about keeping up with maintenance so that shouldn’t be a problem. I have an suv that I would use for the work commute and the M2 would be for Friday, Sat & Sun. What do you think is best? I plan to test drive both very soon.
Lastly if I got the M2C it would be in manual since it’s raw and the G87 would be in auto to make the most of the new 8 speed.
The G87 is absolutely a step-up in terms of capability and usability, both mechanically and from inside the cabin with the new infotainment system. It's a serious, serious bit of kit. But the reality is it's just too ugly for me to love. With the F87 I'd be looking back as I walked away. That simply wouldn't happen with the G87. There's more to owning a car than it's performance.
Absolutely… and it cost to much to buy “ugly” car ;-/ there is planty onothers one outside to own. ;-)
I have an F87, it is both a lovely thing to look at and a close to perfect thing to drive. I won’t be replacing it with the new version.
Its actually quite a beautiful car still. I know compared the the f87 its not as good looking (subjective) but if you take the car for what it is then its actually not bad looking at all.
To each his own. This car isn't beautiful, but to me, there is also not a single thing ugly about it.