NEW BMW M2? Or Keep Your Old F87 M2? (G87 Review)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2023
- We review the NEW 2023 G87 M2 from Cotswold BMW and see if it's worth upgrading from your old F87 M2...?
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The F87 M2 CS is a pure beauty
G87 got way more road presence
Really? I think it looks awful. To each his own but the prior model is significantly better designed.
@@creamfalcon have u seen in person? Saw a black 1 and it way wider and aggressive than the f80
@@Mac-ox7ow I have. Just really dislike the design especially the rear and the front is too squared off. However, I really like the wheels on new one. They are far better looking than the old
@@creamfalconexactly, it literally looks like a midget 3 series from 2008
Not only I kept my old M2CS but I actually bought a second one. Now I have one of each: a 6MT and a DCT. New one is hideous looking. DCT is a better trans IMHO. I just hope that the NEW M2CS will be a big improvement over the base new M2 car.
Haha that’s a true M2 fan!!
You’re one lucky sob 😂
@@MrHCars best BMW since the E46 IMHO.
This car is a practical beast! It simply does everything extremely well, a total package if you will. To me, it’s all about how a car makes you feel when driving, not what others think you should feel and only point out the negatives. 6 speed, rear wheel drive, 450+ hp, plenty of room and trunk space, gorgeous interior, and top notch German suspension that will not kill you if driven fast, is a perfect car at $62k. Nothing even gets close to that.
Buy & drive what makes you happiest the most, that’s all that matters 👊🏼
I totally agree. All these youtubers talk about track this and track that. Like 98% of the buyers will ever take a car to the track. To me a GT4 (and yes I have driven not one but 3 of them extensively) is just not made for the street. Its a track machine. This is a street sports coupe. I loved it after I test drove one so I have one on order. And seriously why order it with the auto? Get a 6-speed manual, and enjoy.
Yes its cheap in US, however here in EU price starts at $85k omg
Great video! As someone who spent a good 2 years round the M2 F87 I would still take the F87 against the G - CarPlay and Icon lights is all the tech I need in a car 😅
Haha thanks mate!
You’re right! A great handling car + cracking engine is all you really need - back to basics 🤌🏼
The G87 is absolutely a step-up in terms of capability and usability, both mechanically and from inside the cabin with the new infotainment system. It's a serious, serious bit of kit. But the reality is it's just too ugly for me to love. With the F87 I'd be looking back as I walked away. That simply wouldn't happen with the G87. There's more to owning a car than it's performance.
Absolutely… and it cost to much to buy “ugly” car ;-/ there is planty onothers one outside to own. ;-)
I have an F87, it is both a lovely thing to look at and a close to perfect thing to drive. I won’t be replacing it with the new version.
Its actually quite a beautiful car still. I know compared the the f87 its not as good looking (subjective) but if you take the car for what it is then its actually not bad looking at all.
To each his own. This car isn't beautiful, but to me, there is also not a single thing ugly about it.
I never get reference to GT4’s when looking at M2’s. M cars are supposed to do everything well including daily tasks like carrying luggage etc. GT4’s are aimed at track days and Sunday drives only.
Really enjoyed the video, very honest.
Thabsk John!
I think it’s because the M2 punches so far above it’s weight in terms of driving enjoyment, that it can be compared to a Porsche which is designed to be a sports car from the ground up
Great vid! Are you lining one up when the gt4 comes off finance?!
I saw a new one at a dealer next to the old M2, which I think now looks a bit dated. Quite like the square/ boxy shape. Loose the extra aero bits, lowering springs and sorted
Ha no not yet, GT4 is sticking with me for a the time being.
Agreed! Some tasteful mods can make the g87 look really good
Great review Will as I said on Instagram earlier the interior is another level compared to my F87 , but it just feels so big on the road to me, I didn’t like the pictures when they were first out but as you said in person it’s not that bad except the bottom of the front grill . After I tested it last week I thought hard about exchanging but to me a car should make you look back when you get out and I’m not sure the G87 will ever do that for me.
Thanks mate!!
I think you’re right there. Unlike an iPhone upgrade every few years, I’d think you’d miss trading in your f87 for the g87 ☹️
Even tho it’s a great car in itself
The high, long hood in combination with the high seating position of the non-carbon chairs makes it feel like you're in an SUV
Fell in love upon first sight with the F87 M2C.
Didn’t like the G87 at first sight and still don’t, never grew into its looks and frankly why should I or anyone force themselves to?
The F87 will definitely become an iconic classic. It’s beauty is timeless and curves in all the right areas.
the F87 is what made me want a bmw, the last time that happpened was the e46
my thoughts exactly!
One of the best reviews I’ve seen mate. Very fair, honest and relevant to what I want to know. Well done 👍
Thank you mate 👊🏼 appreciate the feedback
Old M2 CS all the way. I know the new M2 is faster but the looks and rarity of the F87 is hard to ignore.
Well balanced review Will, I saw the car on the driveway, it's very appealing, looks expensive, nice stance, but the price tag may be an issue for some.
Keeping and modding m2c for sure
F87. OG to be specific! Tuned by Bend Calibration 💪🏾
This was a good and fair review as you talked about most the things ive noticed about both the F87 and G87. For example, the exhaust "utter" and i really dont like the spoedo and tach on the G87. I just want normal looking gauges. I owned an original 2017 M2.
Definitely a really balanced and I think fair review mate. The interior is lovely, exterior, I’m still coming round to… slowly. The whole car has definitely ‘grown up’ but I think it’s quite sad, because I don’t think it needed to! No doubt however the new CS etc will hopefully bring back some of the character and more ‘hardcore’ edge. Having said that, lovely daily though… but then so is an M240i
Thanks mate! 👊🏼
‘Grown up’ is a fantastic way of putting it & you’re right. Something that should be left for the m3/4 cars.
Looking forward to the cs variant !
My next car is going to be an M240i.
Totally agree about the ZF8. WOT powershifts are kind of fun, but otherwise, it's either jerky (as in novice driver jerky) in S3 or slow in S1 and S2 modes. It actually felt like the flywheel is waaay too heavy. To make it feel crisper, they even play bassy sounds during shifts, lol.
Overall the front and rear end have massive grip, but the car feels very digital and you end-up doing silly speeds, whereas the F87 was more fun without risking your license too much.
And an F87 with better geo and wider tires will rotate just as well.
Digital! That’s a good way to describe the new g87 vs f87
You said it extremely well in your last sentence!
F is still the best. Much prettier, twin halos, round dials, and actual buttons. And I honestly don't understand why people dislike the rear muffler. Personally I think it looks great and makes the rear look nice and low.
The G......well, I think it stands for 'Geez what were they thinking'.
Side profile looks kind of okay, but the front is not desirable at all, and the rear is a complete mess. I had high hopes for the G, but when it came out, first thing I did was hunt down a low milage M2C and I'm extremely chuffed with it.
Good video.
Pick up the past gen M2 while you can guys. None of the new G series M cars are holding value well. They're all lease returns and nobody is keeping them for long after driving them. It's not about performance anymore. Every M car this gen is fast as hell but getting uglier and uglier. If you can't make a good looking design then stick with the old look like Porsche has done for decades.
Currently in a F87 OG M2 and loving it.. but I love the look of the new G80 M3, they look insane with the new headlights + a splitter sorts out the front grill completely. The interior with carbon buckets is something special too.
There’s already 2021 plate M3’s up for high 50s £60k🤣 and they’re still under warranty! I’m hoping they’ll continue to plummet and I’ll pick one up for 45/50k in maybe a year or two 👌🏻 that’s when they’re worth it.
Good review. Have ordered one to replace my M2 Comp - both manual. One disappointment you didn't mention - although the new car is bigger in every direction the old one could take adults in the back comfortably, the new one can't because of reduced headroom. The better refinement suits me. (If I wanted a pure sports car everyone agrees a Cayman GTS 4.0 is better). Changing for that, the tech, the improved interior and generally being more modern. I buy for cash, otherwise I wouldn't change a car at current finance rates.
Good point on the back seats!
I’ve read the m240i has poor head room in the back, so suspect the m2 is the same.
My old f87 was brilliant for carrying 2 adults in the rear
Great video as always 👏🏻👏🏻 The updates on the iD8 is up and coming taking it to iD8.5, which has taking on board customer feedback. Remember you can always use the 'Personal Assistant' function, which allows certain commands to be carried out, without the need to touch the screen etc. Looking forward to the next video.
Ah yes forgot the assistant 😅
Can tell I’m used to “old” 2018 tech
8.5 will be interesting to see. There’s a reason bmw still make the eBay infotainment.
Appreciate the feedback Tim 👊🏼
Also can’t you use the rotary control rather than touching the screen?
Like the all black seats on this car. More subtle than the red/blue striped ones seen in other reviews.
Personally if I was looking to trade up to the new M2cs I'd have to know aside from the clear cabin development does the new car do the job of driving better because its a lot of money for a new dashboard otherwise.
Are GT4's really a similar price to a M2 in the UK? They're almost double the price in Australia
Nice video mate, good job 🤙🏾
Thanks dude 👊🏼 appreciate it
F87 all day. I even prefer the interior and simple screens.
Thanks Tim, very informative.
Brilliant 🥲😂
Has the older one sold can’t find it on their site
instead of those odd looking flags and stripes on the sides, I think the side badge above the front wheel arches would look better. maybe even carry over the black bottom sides from the M240i too. the S58 is what makes this car so good though. id like to drop the S58 in the old M2 Comp!
Could probably be done, an engine swap 🤔
Agree with everything except for having lower black bits like the M240, I love the body colored rockers and side of the diffuser. Those M performance fender flicks and winglets look tacky and unnecessary, looks much cleaner without them.
Just drop it with some spacers, throw on a front splitter and a better trunk spoiler lip and this thing looks brutally good!
Great review, its rare to find a genuinely objective and balanced reviews these days
Thanks Jason! Appreciate the feedback 👊🏼
Pretty good analysis of the old M2 and the new M2.
But my take on it:
An M2 is not meant to be a daily usable sports car and that BMW now thinks otherwise, I personally think this is a turnaround that cannot be reconciled with the original idea Of "M-Sport" cars!
BMW seems to have lost track for a while now, given also the multiple strange design deviations of several models that are really no improvement, in my humble opinion.
As for the new M2, apart from the not very pleasing-looking model, the lack of Angel Eyes alone is also a signal to me that the current leadership at BMW has lost track quite a bit.
I own an M2 and, given BMW's current trend, that may well be my last....
Great video and review. But those monthlies are nearly the same as my mortgage and my house is worth more than £75k. Surely it won’t be long before manufacturers are giving serious discounts to move units ?
Thanks Damian!!
But can your house do donuts? I didn’t think so 🤪
It has donuts as residents, does that count ?
@@damianmkv ill allow you that one 😂
Very good review. I personally really like the styling of the new G87 M2 while I was never a huge fan of the F87. The issue is the new cars are so neutered that they don't feel special unless you are doing 100mph. I recently test drove the G80 M3 and was shocked that it feels more like a 5series saloon than an M3. My F80 maybe stiff and have a DCT that is jerky at slow speeds but it is raw experience and actually requires you to drive it. The new M cars can be driven by any random person, there is no edge to them which is great for sitting in traffic, sipping coffee and checking social media.
You are absolutely right I have a 23 M240X Dr. and it’s definitely only fun once you start to get on it. Besides you actually Horning around it is very nice and comfortable to live with essentially what BMW was going for is a daily driver that looks good and goes fast while being comfortable and they’re trying to move away from the more F-series sports car chassis.
Great video, i like how you're not afraid to criticise the car.
Still a very beautiful car (the new M2)
The thing about BMW's that grow on you, is that they usually look great for a lot longer than rivals that appeal on day 1.
You should try the m240i RWD and compare it to the new M2
I always thought E9x non-M and all F8x M cars had artificially heavy steering. My Z4M had the best steering of any BMW I have driven and it was very light, lighter than an E92 335i and lighter than my F87 M2 Competition. I don't think weight is necessarily correlated with feel or being good steering. The E36 had telepathic steering and was a bit heavy but I don't think that relationship has held over time. Actually, my old 2010 Mazda 3 has better steering feel than most modern cars but it is very light.
My F87 Comp is coming up to three years old. While it is having it's brake fluid changed next month, I will have a test drive of the G87 but to be honest it is not making my wallet twitch!🤔
Zf8 shifts are not slow by any means “200 millisecond”… especially with a transmission tune which takes it down to 60 milliseconds. Compared to a dct 50-75 milliseconds… most people can’t feel the difference between 100-200 milliseconds because it’s so minuscule. For context your brain sends and receives nerve signals at the rate of 20 milliseconds.
Interesting.
So ZF is 4x slower than the DCT… and even with a map, still isn’t as fast as the DCT?
Out of interest, do you know the speed of a PDK?
@@MrHCars I do not, never been fortunate enough to drive one so was never curious. But google is your friend.
@@seanpoore500 probably the best gearbox on the market and lightning fast!
Be interesting to know the actual speed of that vs the others. I’ll have a google.
But I’d recommend getting behind the wheel of one just to exp it
@@MrHCars so I’ve heard, you made me curious, lol. Google says upshifts take 50-60 ms for the pdk, while downshifts are around 90ms depending on conditions. I think we can all agree that is lightening fast. One day hopefully soon I would love to experience a Porsche pdk. Until then I will continue to enjoy my zf8hp45 and n55. 🤙
Great video!!! 😂 if I say so myself
F87 m2 CS is best M car in nearly 20 years
"Blocky"...lol well said!
Darker colors perfectly complement the boxy aggressive look
Great review as usual. Good as the G87 is, I just couldn’t live with the boxy, Lego design, so it’d be the F87 for me 😀
Appreciate the feedback 👊🏼
I've had the G87 for 2 months now, and I have an old F87. Both manual. Kept both....
Your thoughts on g87 against f87?
Stock exhaust?
Completely stock
The new one is a lot more striking. People will definitely notice it because of its unique design
good on bmw for the auto trans! dat always needs huge$$$ down the road for repairs
Best review I ever got thank you
Glad I could help! Appreciate the feedback 👊🏼
Why gt4s are so cheap in eu 😭 you got my hopes up and I checked the us price
The new M2 is highly constricted, it needs a stage 1 remap to bring out the potential. Great review 😊
I hear what you are saying but what about the warranty and insurance implications??
@@hpman911 if you got the money to mod BMWs then you oviously don't care about warranty
@@jamesrick7351 also in the UK insurance premiums are going through the roof due to the escalating cost of repairs and theft due to “keyless go”. As a result of this many companies won’t accept modifications and if they do the cost is crazy.
Ur wrong about the shifts. The ms are faster then in a g82 m4
F87 without any doubt .......
M2 CS is just beautifull and very unique, especialy from front, with that hexagon modern angel eyes signature. G87 is just NEW,, but cube design will loose attraction very soon…and i yes, i saw many times g87 life. Its a huge GT car now like m4. Im not hater, g87 is quite ok to me, bud f87 CS is another level of design.
Dope car. Wish the steering was heavier. Might upgrade to one from a GR Supra 3.0
That steering is very light too, I know this because I own one. Really hate the overall light steering
Just to add something about the hanging exhausts... there is actually a reason for them. nothing to do with being rushed etc... The hanging exhaust is a design feature for the M-Cars for better top speed. It is to eliminate the parachute effect from the rear bumper and create a cleaner streamlined airflow under the vehicle.This information came up during the development of a rear race diffuser for the F87 from a German engineering company.
Makes sense.
But that doesn't explain the OG M2.... that didnt have a hanging udder and is an M car
@@MrHCars the OG wasn’t really a real M.
No under floor M Aero, no M Mirrors no M seats etc etc. I have the M2 OG and Comp. The exhaust on the M2 OG is a modified M240i exhaust. The M2 also doesn’t have the option to exceed 250km/h from factory like all other M cars do
@@Hobby_Racer you’re playing with fire with that statement. I’m not coming to save you when the other viewers see it 😂
What about M5 then? No rear udder on that?
@@MrHCars haha no all good. I own my OG M2 since 2018 and love it!! I even got 102.000km on it. Especially the sound. Only have the M2 comp since 2 months and it sounds kinda trash compared 😂😂
But back to the Aero. The M5, M6 and M8 all have factory diffusers. The exhausts are twin pipe right and left and in the middle there are aero plates and even air tunnels for better high speed. There are more options on these higher priced cars than with the M2/M3/M4.
The new M2 is a beast. Finally the size of a Classic: M3 e46
Best G87 review I have a seen!
Appreciate for the feedback 👊🏼
I like the g87 ngl. Not a fan of any ot those M performance parts. BMW needs to leave that stuff to the aftermarket companies
Agreed! Some awesome kits that are available for the g80/82s!
The new m2 looks like it’s JDM.
Keep your F87 CS and wait to see what the G87 CS offers. I'd still keep the F87 CS.
The F87 is basically the peak baby M car. It looks stunning, it's fast, it's fun, and it's not too heavy or big.
F87 M2 comp is 1657 kg with full tank, its quite heavy too
@@user-md7mk3pn3y It's not a lightweight I agree, but it's not like the M4 which is nearing 2 ton.
No usable back seats tho
There getting a bit fat beemers these days I’ve had a cs lovely and I do regret selling it.
I’m driving a 1M now and I’ll never look back.
I don’t think it could get any better.
1M, something I’m yet to experience! But no doubt, one of the good ones. Enjoy!
G87 is going next to my F87 in a few years
Great video bro
Thanks mate ❤️❤️
Track users keep the competition with some suspension and brake pad-brake cooling upgrades max a cs software for the engine, for road keep the og m2. Skip this, with this wheel and tyre size mixed with the big weight the running cost is a lot for wearables, not talking about the list price for the new car is ridiculous
I love the color
Was looking to trade the JCW up to a F series M240i, but the finance is currently a disgusting 12.9% at most dealers. And for BMW approved used they are at 13.9% 🤮🤮
Tried Charles & Dean? 🤓 tell them I sent you 🤪
As an M2C owner I can't see any added value of owning this new M2. The next real step up is super car.
Why is there an ad like every 5 minutes lol
Good point on the financing, comes out more than a g80, and has a terrible gfv compared to price.
With track pack at 75k its 1100+ a month with 10k deposit. 🤯
Glad to see you p😅cked up on the gearbox. Great gearbox in a commuter car, poor gearbox for a 70k sports coupe.
Jeeez 🤯
❤😎💪🏽M2!!!
Nice watch
It's sad that the old model looks like the new model.
Great spec on that cs! 🤌🏼
Let’s cut straight to the chase. The G87 is a Lego set assembled in Mexico and looks similar to a thoroughly used public toilet. But that F87 is a timeless and beautiful masterpiece and the last true M2 made in Germany
The old car is a work of art compared to the new one. The design of the new M2 is so wrong in so many ways. I’m sure it will sell, as they say there is beauty in the beholder, just like the person I saw today driving a Bentley Bentayga😂. Sorry but you can have all the money in the world, but it doesn’t automatically give you good taste!
That carbon pack on the G87. 🤮
Just buy it in cash, don't pay 8,9% of interest rates... but yeah, like the old M2, also the new is not a "perfect car" and i always have the feeling, that i should wait for the competition/facelift. and why is erveryone comparing a brandnew M2 with a 2018 cayman GT4? at first, a GT4 is not a daily, you can't flip the backseats, the trunk is small, repair and service is way more expensive and yeah... 4 years old. at next we can compare, how many used sailing boats you could buy for that money or so :D
I'm fascinated by these M2's.. This is coming from a C7 Corvette owner. Regarding the financing.. Why would a guy only put down $4500.. That's crazy! Should put down at least 20k. JMO of course.
Maybe not quite as exotic / Supercar feeling. But definitely extremely engaging.
Not financial advice, but not everyone can afford a deposit that’s 1/3 of the car value + some would rather deposit less and keep 15k in their bank for other things
@@MrHCars I get that, I don't use all my money on a down payment either, but $1000/mo? 80% of people can't do that. I wish I could find one of these cars to drive.
@@failingup4907 oh I get you. Put more down so the monthly’s are more manageable.
For sure! But shows how expensive these cars currently are in 2023 😕
@@MrHCars I totally agree and the out of control interest.
Do voice commands work for climate control?
Yep they do
I mean it does look cracking in person, however, those side blades are fucking awful
😂😂 I’ll wait to see what other brands can produce
They are an optional extra cost add on and I agree no way would I spec them !!
Giddy up Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
///M2 is a beautiful car, the front shares e46 vibes and the rear shares e90 vibes, the only sad thing is that BMW became a troll object on social media.
Love the Bauhaus look of the G87....
i have an m2 cs, for me thé only move now is porsche…i can’t understand what BMW are doing to their long term fans, the new pricing strategy and design is not for me
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I AM AGREE WITH YOU , THE NEW M2 LOOKS EXTRANGE , LOOKS LIKE THE FIRS ONE 1M WHAT LOOKS LIKE A FRANKEINSTEIN!!!
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traded my 16 in for a 24 its on order
The new M2 is really a smaller version of M3 and M4. Keeping my OG M2^^
new one actually looks better/more aggressive. no doubt it'll also be a better driving machine like the g80/82 is over the f80/82.
F87 > G87
I’m glad I didn’t see this review before getting my 2023 M2C. It’s amazing…and I traded in a 2020 M2C. I hope all of the fan boys have a great time commenting. I’m just chilling with my new 2023 M2C.
For me, boxy design is a win, it gives more character and unique among all sport cars on roads today.
F87 is still CBU in germany, G87 is made in mexico....
F87 is a playful car, G87 is a fast car....
F87 is best lokin wif sharp curve, G87 loks SQ tat dun las long
Driving a german QC car wif satisfaction tats F87
These cars are sooo good under 49,999 miles cause once they hit 50,000 miles...well. lol
I have a feeling the new M2 would chew up and spit out the RS3! Would love to get your GT4 next to our 4C as well!
That is an interesting feeling!
Still need to get together mate 👊🏼
I like the new m2. It costs 102000 english pounds in my country. Id rather buy a porsche for that kind of money.